Fink Different

Today, Doug Pike interviews Silicon Valley ex-pat Alex Fink about social media addiction and his site "Otherweb".

Episode Transcript

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with Doug Pike. All right,here we go. Welcome to another edition,
Still another edition of fifty plus.Still hot outside, Still totally unsure
which way the stock market's going togo from day to day. Still absolutely
sure though, that gas prices willgo up. I'd say at least a

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dime. At least a dime beforethe weekend, and that's only what thirty
six hours away. There aren't manyabsolutes in this crazy world, but rising
oil prices ahead of major holidays ison that short list. The world's oil
suppliers know that we are far morelikely to drive somewhere on those long weekends

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than on just another Tuesday. Farmore likely to be going hither and yon
to enjoy ourselves on a major nationalholiday. The only difference in present time
is how much that tank of gasis going to cost. If we were
still an oil independent nation, forexample, prices that the pump might have

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gone from say what two fifteen totwo twenty five a gallon is coming weekend,
But thanks to the current administration,you can add at least a dollar
a gallon to both those numbers,and in states outside Texas, you may
be looking at four fifty five dollarsa gallon over the weekend. Again,

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California gasoline prices extremely high. Otherparts of the country just randomly, I
can't even I don't even want toname anymore. California tends to be the
front runner in high gas prices.It has so many regulations, so many
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that at least we are getting thebest of whatever there is to get,
which is still no consolation. Whenwe started this new administration at I think
two and a quarter or something likethat, a gallon less in some parts
of the country. Oh well,on the plus side of the weather ledger,
there's not another day of one hundreddegree heating forecast, at least through

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a week high nineties. Yes,granted, but not a hundred. Colleague
of mine and I are talking.It was Grant. That's who you know.
Do you know Grant Will Grant Patterson? No, so Grant. He's
about your age, maybe a yearor two older. And Grant and I
were talking this morning about this feelslike temperature that all the forecasters used now

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to tell us how it's gonna feelhotter than it actually is. I think
it's just filler. Honestly, ifyou've lived here more than a day and
a half, you understand humidity,you understand hot wind from the west in
the southwest, all of that.But Grant and I talked and well,

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for example, lately, it's beena high temperature of this afternoon one hundred
two degrees, but it's gonna feellike one hundred and twelve. That presumption
is based on its based on humidity. I think it's based on wind.
But I'm not an entirely sure thatthe laws of physics actually allow one temperature
to feel like another. Temperature.Well, how do you where do you

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stand on that? Will? Doyou believe in feels like temperatures? I
think I didn't? You think youdo? Let me make a couple of
cases for you. Then didn't tellme if I change your mind? All
right? So if we're basing thison humidity, maybe a little wind,
here's the deal. Let's say Iput I'm baking cookies, okay, and

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the recipe calls for fifteen minutes atthree hundred and fifty degrees and I put
a damp sponge in the oven.Are my cookies gonna overcook because there's humidity
in the oven? Or is itstill gonna be three hundred and fifty degrees
and they're gonna cook exactly right everytime? I don't know if they're gonna
cook exactly right if you put adamp sponge, what would be the difference?

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If it's the air around those cookiesis still three hundred and fifty degrees,
it's just a little bit damper.Yeah, exactly, they're not gonna
be as good. Doesn't do anything, doesn't do it. Okay,
here's another one. We need toget a climate scientist in here to explain
it. That's probably the last personI would invite in here to explain that.

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So if I put a water apot of water, okay, I
gotta I'm out. I've got acamp fire going will out in the middle
of nowhere, and I've got apot of water that I put on there,
and it's a muggy day or awindy day. Is that water gonna
boil it two hundred and two degrees? Probably not. It's gonna boil when

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it reaches two hundred and not whenit feels like two hundred and twelve,
But when it actually reaches two hundredand twelve, would you agree. I'm
gonna look it up, do it. Good luck, Good luck finding a
definitive answer to that. Ninety fiveand Muggie leaves your ring and wet with
sweat, but it's still ninety fivedegrees. Then again, and now here's

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the other side of that coin.Will a convection of and cooks faster?
Why? Because it's sirulates the heatwith wind right blows that stuff around and
around, and all that hot airjust keeps moving and cooks faster, it
says on the ovens. Anyway,maybe it's wind that generates those highest fields
like temperatures. But then again,wind, a nice breeze on a hot

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day makes you feel a little bitbetter. Maybe we should, maybe we
should initiate talk of chill factor.Is the chill factor when it's windy,
no matter if it's a hundred degrees, but the chill factor is eighty six.
That could be just about as relevantas any of this garbage we're talking
about here, amount down to aminute a minute. In eighteen some very

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college admissions. After actually that SupremeCourt actually allowed some variations on the affirmative
action theme in a number of previousdecisions. Up to now, lawsuits were
brought by Asian and white students andcontended essentially that affirmative action denied them access
to some colleges and universities based onlyon their race, based only on their

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skin color. One student did suggestan alternative, and I'm not saying it's
right or wrong, but just thatadmissions be modified to include a certain percentage
of underprivileged students regardless of race,rather than relying solely on race determining factor.
And he went on and he madea very good case for his idea

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Will. And what we've been here? Now? Why watch it running quite
well? Twenty minutes we've been well, we haven't been in here twenty minutes.
But it's twelve twenties. That correct. What do you got over there?
It is? It's twelve twenty.Okay, you're good. You're not
in a different time zone or anything. I was just making sure on a
lighter note before I get to someother weird stuff, or maybe i'll kind
of let Will drive the bus herein a minute. And by the way,

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in about ten twelve minutes, atthe bottom of the hour, we're
gonna talk to a man named AlexFink who was a high falutin Silicon Valley
guy and just got tired of whathe was watching in the way social media
was just devouring people and changing theirmental health, changing their brain wellness,

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and he decided to do something aboutit. And we're going to talk about
that at the bottom of the hourat twelve thirty two, I guess when
we come back, and we'll launchour conversation with Alex here on fifty plus.
So on this lighter note. Okay, this is pop quiz. Will
I want you to fill in theblank when I get to the end of
this part. A Vermont man,he's about my age. An entomologist by

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profession, has spent the better partof twenty one years searching high and low
around his entire state for even aglimpse of what animal. Don't say bigfoot.
Now it's an insect. How doyou know because I know it?
An entomologist? Okay, good?What kind of insect is he looking for?

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Will in Vermont's yep? Is helooking for ticks? Nope? Is
he looking for stick bugs? Willnot stick bugs? He's looking for something
called a bog elfin. And forall the money in the world, what

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kind of insect is that? Nowthat you know the name of the insect,
I'm gonna go with on the keyboard. Yeah, my hands are not
on the keyboard. I want thelisteners to know that a bog elephant.
I'm gonna guess. I'm gonna guessit's found in a bog right, and
it's sort of as you know.No, it's a it's a butterfly.

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Will Oh, okay, it's aquarter sized butterfly. Yeah, it's not
even a half dollar butterfly. Andcertainly no monarch. But he was since
he was in his forties, he'sbeen looking for this butterfly and he thought

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for sure it had to be there. It has a cousin, the pine
elephant, not to be confused withthe bog elephant, and he sees plenty
of pine elephants around there, andthe size I don't know, I don't
know. But the bottom line ishe actually found one. He found one
after twenty one years slogging through themosquito infested bogs of Vermont up into the

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hiking high high up into the spruceforests, and he found one. It
was actually up there in the trees, and he found it, and he
actually got a picture of it.He saw one he thought might be the
one, but then he man maybeit's a pine elfin, And by the
time he figured it out, hejust flew away. They darned so close

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in it so far away. Sothe next time he saw one of these
things he reached not first for thebinoculars, but for the camera and got
a decent image and there it is. It's a bye, gosh bog elfin,
which should be the end of thestory. But he in his explanation
of how important he thinks this discoveryis that there truly is at least one

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elephant in Vermont. He likened thattoo, protecting free speech in America too
far. You think this is asimportant as free speech and it should be
protected just as just as exuberantly.No, I'm sorry. I applaud his

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determination. I applaud his success aftertwenty something years, he's in his I
think twenty one years, twenty threeyears or something like that. He's in
his sixties and started in his forties, so it's in that range. He
found a butterfly. He didn't cureanything. It's kind of like the show.
I work hard. I want tomake it entertaining and fun, but

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I recognize it's overall value to society. I think that's only about right.
What do you think will? Isthat about right? And it's always pretty
cool. I think when people findit's great. Yeah, I love it.
Yeah, it's great that he foundit. But let's just kind of
pump the brakes on on putting itlevel at the same level as free speech

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in importance. Yeah, yeah,well I did. Uh, I did
do a quick Google search and Iright, oh would you would you found
up bog Elfin? I did.Isn't it a fascinating little creature? I
mean, to be honest, Ifeel like I see these every day brown
butterfly. Yeah it's a little brownbutterfly, it is. But he the

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entomologist, can detect the difference betweenyour every day, run of the mill
little brown butterfly and a bog Elfin. And that's what makes him special.
And he is. I mean,it's fantastic. I'm glad he did that,
and he's he stuck to it.He never gave up the New York
school systems. Boy, you know, honestly, I'm I could go either

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way on this. Part of mesays it's just ridiculous and silly, and
part of me says, okay,that's that may be helpful actually in some
ways, only in New York,at least for a short time. In
New York. Now, school kidsstarting with the next school year, kindergarten
all the way through high school willenjoy during their school day a period of

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what will not arm wrestling recess.Well, I hope they don't give up
recess, but what they're installing andI guess it'll have to take out some
class time somewhere is a few momentsof mindful breathing. Breathing. We used

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to do that at my school inseriously, you had mindful breathing class.
Well, we called it brain exercises, but it's essentially it's different poses than
poses like yoga. Yeah, kindof for your for your face, though
there's no yoga position for your face. I listen to a comedian talking about

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that's called the Lions. You talkabout all these people who are into yoga,
but you could walk it around.You can. But there are like
breathing and brain exercises that just kindof get oxygen to the brain and they
help you jump start your migrain.I like the idea. I don't know
if it would even be better earlyin the morning as closer to around the
middle of the day when these kidsmight be getting kind of amped up at

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antsy Well, that's the That's thegood thing about them is that since they're
so minimal, you know, youcan basically do them whenever you do need
a little bit of extra energy,because that's what getting oxygen to the brain
is, right well, or orsome calming exercises, like when you're driving
in traffic in Houston, there's thatI could. I'd just stop in the
middle of the freeway sometimes and justtake five deep breaths and then start back

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up. I could take five deepseconds of napping on the freeway. You
can't do five seconds on the freewaywithout being passed. I don't care how
fast you're going. You can't drivethree miles on any freeway in Houston without
being passed. And I would.I would dare Aj Foyt to out drive
Houston drivers on the freeway if hewere still interested in driving. I was

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trying to think of an F onedriver real quickly, but I couldn't come
up with one. If only,if only Trey Campbell were in here,
he would know. You'd give mea NASCAR name or two. What about
Lewis Hamilton. That's the only that'sthe only one driver, that's the first
one you look up. No,that's the only one that I know.
Oh yeah, there's a bunch ofgreat guys I am. I actually got
to pit for Dario fran Keaty Nowhe wasn't f one, but he's an

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IndyCar was an IndyCar driver back then. And when they came to Houston.
That was an assignment I got fromthe newspaper. They said, do you
want to do you want to workin the pits or do you wanna hang
out with a driver's wife for aday, or do you want to There
was something else, but it wasgarbage too. I worked in the pits
and I got to well, Ididn't get to touch the car. That

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This is fifty plus with Doug Pike. All right, welcome back to Plus.
I'm Dougie's will, and there's alwaysthanks for sticking around through this hour.
We'll talk in this segment about managingsocial media and the way too much

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of this fun thing impacts our mentalhealth, our brain wellness, and even
in some ways our physical health.To help I'm gonna bring in Alex Fink
a Silicon Valley x pat it says, you're a very interesting description who left
to start something called where did itgo? On other Web? There?
I had it, Alex. Iapologize for that because I had it one

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way and I moved in a differentway and I didn't move the right word.
But other web is what you found? It? Is that correct?
That's correct? Hi? Yeah,thank you. I appreciate your time today,
I really do. So why didyou leave Silicon Valley? Well?
I left it because it seemed likeeverybody is thinking in the same way,
everybody is acting in the same way, and I've got a bit old.

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So I moved to Texas and that'smuch more interesting here. Well, I'll
certainly agree with you there. It'sbrain health Awareness Month, among many other
things, and I'm I'm honestly fullyconvinced that the world's addiction to social media
is kind of leading us in adreadful direction. How long have the bigger
social media sites been around now?Well, depending where you started, counting,

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about about twenty years. Where we'vebeen seeing this trend those people getting
essentially addicted to things and then requiringbigger addictor heads next time. And so
the effects on social health that's you'reseeing are all basically the effects of addiction.
Any idea. How many hours arespent daily around the world on say
Facebook? Well, Facebook is actuallynot as good at addicting us. It's

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kind of old, right, Soyeah, I remember the days when Facebook
was proud when they kind of crossedthe twenty twenty five minutes per session.
But I think TikTok is at northof nineteen minutes now, right, And
then if you add up TikTok andInstagram and all the other different services,
then I think quite a few peopleare spending three or four hours a day

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just on social media. Oh mygod, what about individually? Yeah,
you talk about three or four hoursa day on social media? Is that
true throughout the age demographic? Orwhat about seniors? How long are we
on? Because this is this ismy wheelhouse here, so I don't know
the stats on that. I'm prettysure it's lower because seniors still remember a
world before these things existed, andso they have this gut feeling that they

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still need to do things that they'reused to doing, like talking to their
neighborook, right, But young peopledon't do that, certainly because just they
don't have that mental model of you'resupposed to do that. I've seen my
parents do it. This is howyou do things. And based on my
Facebook use, which is some ofit's necessary and helps with show topics,

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some of it not. And Iwas thinking about it because as I was
prepping for this, and I kindof realize it, probably seventy five or
eighty percent of what I'm looking aton social media has little or no importance
to my life whatsoever. That soundsabout right to you. It actually sounds
low. I think the reality ofthings are worse for most people. And

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I think the main demarcation line betweenthose two things that you described as were
you looking for it? If thisis something that you came into Facebook looking
for, then you're probably looking atsomething that might be useful to you.
Right If you just consume the nextthing that the algorithm decided you might want
to watch next, it's probably completelyuseless and you will not even remember looking
at it an hour from now.I couldn't tell you anything. I spent

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maybe ten minutes on it this morningwhen I got to work, just kind
of looking for things that I couldtalk about or something in the news,
and you're exactly right. Part ofit's just because I'm older, and part
of it's because you're exactly right.It doesn't matter. It's irrelevant, and
I wasted ten minutes of my lifedoing that. God Lee, it's horrible.
Nope. Yeah, and it's justcheap entertainment. Right. The algorithm

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isn't there to give you something that'suseful to you. It's there to give
you something you're likely to react toin a way that we'll keep you on
the site longer, we'll get youto conceal more ads, etc. Right,
So it's not really your friend that'sjust trying to figure out which buttons
to push to get you to dothe stuff that are beneficial for the company.
Just keep me from pushing that goaway button. That's all they're doing,

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aren't they. Yea. So we'renot the first people to talk about
this. Talk about some of thestudies you've seen in the conclusions they've drawn
about the impacts of social media ontrue mental health and brain health. So
again, if you're just let's starttraumatic those all data. If you're talking
to people who are spending hours aday on social media, you start hearing
the phrases that an addict would woulduse, like I have gaps in my

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day, I don't remember what I'vebeen doing for the past two hours.
Right, But even if you're observingpeople, they tend to get more erratic
over time, they tend to getmore irritable, they tend to get a
shorter temper. Right, all theeffects that an addict would have. In
fact, you're seeing it with somefaith famous people as well. Right.
Once they start using Twitter too much, then somehow their personality changes to the

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point where everything they do is almostcreating attention that it makes perfect sense,
it really does. Who among usare most likely to end up using overusing
social media? Really, I thinkanyone who doesn't stop to think about the
alternative. The alternative has to bethat a person actually have the minor crisis

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conscience, I would say, anddecides to take control over their time and
plan out what they want to doat the time, what they want to
consume. When So, if youhave that kind of thought process, you're
more likely to end up actually gettinga data that resembled what you wanted it
to resemble. Right, You mightwant to read books a little bit or
to your neighbors, watch the newsfor a certain amount of time that you

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decided in advance, right, Butif you don't have that plan, then
you'll just come in and eventually you'llconsume whatever's in front of you. Well,
that's so sad, too, Cash, we're almost out of time.
I can't believe it. I justcannot believe it. Give me the quick
elevator pitch for other web So theother webs. Our attempt to remedy the
situation by aggregating as much content aswe could news, commentary, podcast,

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research studies, everything we could findon the web, shelter out the things
that are obviously junk, things thattrigger atte flag, and give users as
much control as we can to reallyset up their feed to whatever they wanted
to be, to customize the topic, to customize the emotions you actually want
to get out of it, andto decide how much you to read per
date and then stopped. Sounds goodto me. Do I have to pay

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anything? Did you join up?Nope? There's for now as no subscription
fees. At some point, whenwe grow up, we'll have to figure
out how to monetize it. Butfor now, the investors carry the Britain.
Well, I like that a lot, Alex. I'm gonna go ahead
and I'm gonna sign up and justkind of see what's there. And I
got a hunch that it's gonna beway more constructive and way more beneficial to
me than what I'm looking at now. Thank you so much, Alex.

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Fink other web go look it up. I did. I kind of like
what I'm seeing so far. Thankyou, Alex. Thank you so much.
Yes, sir, all right,we've got to take a little break
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just wait until this show's over.Sleepy. Back to Doug Pike as

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fifty plus continues. Welcome back tofifty plus. Where did you find that?
Will send it back same place theyfound all the other one. Send

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it back. You don't like thisone, not really. This one makes
you seem cool, though, doesit? Yeah? Then keep it by
all means. That's that's my goalin life is to be cool someday in
summer in Houston. So good luckwith that one. Breaking news duh just
cut a story about how the climatecontrol people, the ones who are scared

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that we're going to ruin the worldif we don't all drive electric cars and
we don't all heat and cool ourhouses with solar energy or or electricity or
whatever, or when we just putall put we should all just live in
windmills. Will That's what we coulddo. Windmills covered with solar panels,

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windmills with blades made of solar panels. That's how it's going to work out.
This latest problem according to the climateI'm trying to be polite the climate
people. We'll just leave it atthat, is that ice cubes are a

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problem. Ice cubes could send usspiraling into a climate abyss, this story
says, and I I'm gonna dosome more research on this one, and
it Yeah, I just I couldn'tlet it go. I couldn't just walk

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away from it when I read it, but nor do I want to go
too deeply into it, because it'sjust so preposterous. At some point,
those of us who think differently abouta lot of this are gonna have to
just stand up and say, youknow, we're calling bologna on this,
and we're tired of hearing it.And unless you can present some solid evidence

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that anything we do will change anythingabout this planet in the next fifty years,
then let's just move on, shallwe. Well, our secret is
out? How will we know?And not really a car? Our secret
is out? Annual study ranked thestates from best place for a summer road

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trip to the worst. Guess whichtwo are the best states to visit for
a road trip? Um, I'mgonna guess Texas is one. You see,
I should have written the secret isout? And then the second one?

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Would it be? No way isit? Florida? No, it's
not. I would have gone theretoo. You know what it is,
and I once again I would Iwant to see the data. I want
to see who they asked? NewYork upstate New York is beautiful. I've
been there when I was on fieldand Stream's masthead. We had these masthead
meetings once every year or so,and we would go off to some cool

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destination and have fun and talk aboutthe magazine. Yeah, if you're gonna
get a New York City, whyaren't you gonna road trip there? Where
are you gonna park? Yeah,that's a very good point. You know
what the two worst ones are first, well, first next to the worst.
I get it says these two arethe worst, saying they're not ranked
worst or next to worst. RhodeIsland and Delaware. Rhode Island, there's

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no not even any place to parka car. It's not big enough.
It's just this little tiny parking lot. Relative to Texas, you could drop.
You could probably drop Rhode Island intoHouston. I'd bet on it.
Almost go look and seeing so closeto it, close to it, find
out how many square miles Texas orHouston is, and then find out how

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many square miles Rhode Island is.I'm curious. Delaware is a little bit
bigger. It's it's big enough.It would we could, we could drop
two of them into the Panhandle.I think it's a decent size state,
but not Rhode Island. I'm notfalling for that at all. It's not
big, not really a car.I'll go ahead and give you guys that
one, because I think it's prettyinteresting. A flying car just got a

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proof for testing by the FAA forthe first time ever. Company called alf
I'm not sure how they pronounce it. A leff. A leaf can't be
a leaf, because we already havea little town called that just right out
on west side of Houston. Peopleare excited, they say, because it
can take off vertically, so ifyou get stuck in traffic, you could
take off and fly past it.First of all, if I'm in a

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flying car, I'm never gonna bestuck in traffic. I'm just gonna fly
over it from the time I leavemy house. Second of all, it's
doesn't have a snowball's chance of beingproduced until they make the electric model,
because there's no way this government,at least not in this country. They're
no way they're gonna buy into somethingthat has to run on airplane gas,

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fossil fuel. That's what it's gonnaneed to run on if it's gonna take
two people anywhere, And I don'treally we have enough time controlling traffic in
two dimensions there. We can't gothree on traffic. What you got thirty
We got thirty seconds. What whatdid you find out about Rhode Island.

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Yeah, Rhode Island could fit intoHouston. That's what I thought. Two
times or just one, give me, give me the square moment. Okay,
it's like a little over ten thousandfor Houston and about fifteen hundred for
a Rhode Island uses the size ofRhode Islands the size of Pasadena. That's
it, man, sugar Land,that's Rhode Island. We're out of here.

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