Frankie Darcell & Guests discusses the decision of Chicago's Carlishia Hood

Would you call your son to save your life? The decision of Chicago's Carlishia Hood.

Episode Transcript

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Always good to have with me.He is a political consultant, former military

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man, a veteran served in theUnited States Navy. Also a former union
representative, worked in Washington for anumber of congressional members. Always good to
have on Frankie's got a big mouthor on Marshall. Good to have you
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Absolutely listen. Always good to havein the studio as well. From
broad Talk Live. It is DexterStucky, a graduate of the Lincoln University
with a master's degree from Penn Stateas well and host of one of the
most excepting social media podcasts in thecountry. Thank you for joining us and

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joining us for this show. It'sgonna be a great topic. How you
doing dext year. She's super excitedagain I want you to do all my
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celebrated recently one hundred and eighteen yearsserving the city of Chicago, but the
nation as well. And good tohave with us, Tacoma, Robot,
Tacoma, Welcome to Frankie's Got aBig Mouth. Thank you for having me.
It's a pleasure and honor to beon the show in your presence.

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I'm looking forward to this very good. First, let me ask you how's
everything in Chicago, because the storywe're gonna talk about today, it's not
as if most of the cities thatwe're in I don't have more than enough
conversation. But we're gonna talk aboutthe Risks, a hood story that happened
about a week or so ago whereshe was arrested and her son. The

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story initially broke to the nation thatshe sent her son in to shoot an
individual. I take very I takevery serious issue with that, particularly as
a media person, professional and ajournalist. That has covered a number of
different stories and done investigative journalism aswell. How things have just gotten out
of sorts. But how are thingsin Chicago? And then we're gonna talk

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about the actual topic. Well,you know, unfortunately, sometimes Chicago gets
tagged with a negative reputation. Ilike to refer to the city as a
very dynamic city where things are alwayshappening. I'm not a native chica Quin,
but I've lived here almost as longas I've lived in my birthplace,
which is Brooklyn, New York.But I I hold this city very dearly

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because it is a very dynamic,very active city, and sometimes we have
these negative news events that city inthe wrong light in my opinion. Yeah,
first of a hall of Brooklyn,night born and raised, Yeah,
born and raised in Cooper Park backin the day in Greenpoint, and Detroit

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became my home as well, andnow living in Philadelphia, Dron, I
think you can relate to that beinga native Detroitter where the nation gets a
lot of the negative news. Butthe city of Detroit is a wonderful place.
That's that's totally correct. The cityof Detroit's phenomena just like Chicago.
By my you know, um,you know, I'm proud of your paper.

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But I visited Chicago right out ofhigh school. I attended to Paul
and Debry. I worked at theChicago Border Trains down on the South.
I still feel that Chicago is oneof the greatest cities, and hopefully the
news stories about like the Detroit andChicago turns more about the great people instead
of the incidents that happened that seemedto get our attention all the time.

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Yeah. Yeah, So, aswe start with this topic, and one
of the reasons I wanted to haveyou on, thank you so very much
Tacoma as well, because the nationheard the story and of course we got
the edited social media version, therush to judgment version of Carlisa Hood,
who was in a hotdog fast foodrestaurant picking up her order and in that

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process, based on only what we'veseen from video, on what I've been
able to research and individuals I've beenable to talk to, and one video
that has been made available to thepublic post the story was that she and
a gentleman and the store got intoan altercation and as a result, based

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on the video made available, heassaulted uh. Miss Hood tell us the
story what you know, and youattended the press conference this week as well.
Yes, I have. And sohere's what I know. UM.
Initially, when we first learned ofthis case, it was a surveillance video
of miss Hood and her son engagedin them in the shooting. We didn't

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know the context of the video.UM. And then days later we saw
video the inside the actual restaurant.And before I continue, I do want
to acknowledge, UM, that alife was lost, and you know,
I my condolences of my heart goesout to the family of Jerome Brown,

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who UM was killed in this altercation. However, the surveillance video does show
UM, this gentleman Um repeatedly punchingCarlsha Hood in her face and so like
like she was a straight up manand repeatedly slugging her in the face.

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That's what the video seems to show. And it's just horrific all the way
around. So let's start with thearrest. So after the police arrived,
based on the information that you have, just tell us how she ended up
incarcerated and how she ended up beingreleased. And now there are several lawsuits

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that she has against the police departmentand the City of Chicago. Right.
So, according to her attorneys,I attended a press conference to day at
her attorney's office where they announced thatthey had filed a four count lawsuit against
the City of Chicago and Chicago Police, or actually five Chicago Police officers who

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were evolved in her arrest. So, just to lay out a timeline,
the actual incident between her and misterBrown and her son was fourteen occurred on
June Team. According to the lawsuit, miss Hood was detained and arrested on

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June twenty one, twenty twenty three, so that was three days afterwards.
But what they're alleging is that officersbetween the eighteenth and the twenty first had
ample time to review the security footageand also ascertain that miss Hood was not
involved or participating in any act thatwould amount to first degree murder. So

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that's one UM And so what they'reclaiming based on that evidence is that she
was wrongfully arrested in the team becauseshe had committed no acts um first to
be murder. According to UM,you know, the security footage that they
could have had access to, andyou know, we normally have attorneys on
we're while we're shooting this. Butpart of that is because they had access

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or should have had access prior toarresting her. And are they alleging that
had they had that access, theywould if they had done their jobs,
essentially they would have seen the footagethat we now have seen from inside the
restaurant, and that it would nothave amounted to first agree murder and it
is more or less a self defense. And so quoting straight from the complaints

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the paperwork here what the attorneys assertright accordingly, there was no legal or
legitimate basis to believe that Carlicia Hoodcommitted an actor first to be murdered or
any clime at all. That straightfrom the paper all right, now,
So what we do know is thata lawsuit. You mentioned that in your
comments. She has been released,the charges against both she and her son

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have been dropped and moving forward nowwith a lawsuit. Dexture, I want
to start with you as well,because what we're talking about here, these
are African American folk. The youngman, mister Brown African American, and
Mishood African American, her son AfricanAmerican. You host a podcast. You

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have a degree in communications, anundergraduate degree in communications working in media,
and you do a podcast I willtell you I think a lot of people
who jumped into the podcast world mnot formally being trained, are saying and
doing things that are just reckless andirresponsible. And here is where we have

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all of this misinformation on the internet. In addition to that, I'll say
this, you know, in media, there are a lot of us that
want to be first, not factual. And you know Tacoma, you know,
and you know being in the printworle you want to be Everybody wants
to be first, not factual,and sometimes we'll be first, and no

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matter what it is, we don'tcome back in the third and fourth and
make the correction to what we saidfirst. So that's your thought on that,
especially when we're talking about the lossof a life and the potential incarceration
of two other people people. Ido agree with it. I think there's
even today there's so much more informationthat I just found out. Like I
when I saw this, I actuallyassumed that it happened the day before,

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like not a week later. Likewe're getting this information not even in real
time, and we're forming opinions onsomething that we really could have done a
lot of a lot more research onand actually got a little bit more educated
with our opinions as well as thepolice officers as well. Now I will
say though that I'm I'm a littleperplexed about the lawsuit, Like I don't

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I don't understand like how we gotto the space of a lawsuit. I
do understand that she's suing them foremotional distress and you know, for unlawful
to being unlawfully detained. But Ifeel like that's what's supposed to happen,
Like someone was killed, and it'slike instead of giving you the opportunity to
flee the country, I eat likelike the same way they did with George

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Zemmerman, the same way they didwith Travis Rudolph, Like you, you
know, you detain the people whocould could potentially be guilty, and then
when you can get their day incourt or if you determine like oh,
look, you know what, thisperson is not guilty, like you release
them. And I feel like ifthey saw this footage and they didn't release
her and her son did not belike wait, that doesn't make any sense,
but because they yeah, well Iwould start here. No difference to

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me than Susan Lemeris, who isin Osaka Florida, fluming through the door.
It was a number of days beforethey would even arrest her. Because
of Florida's stand your ground law,they felt that they had to dot their
eyes and across their teas, andit was seven before they arrested her.
I think people of color, AfricanAmerican folk, and I'm not just using

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race as the as the litanist litmust, but I believe here what they're saying
is, had the police officers themtheir due diligence, if the videos were
available, if they had access tothem, whether or not they did or
did not look at them, butincarcerated her anyway, that's a problem,
yes, But at the same timethey like the her, Yes, but

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there was somebody who was shot andkilled, right, So like at the
end of the day, like Ido think there's something that needs to be
done about that and that needs tobe addressed. I think that's what the
officers did. And truthfully, Ibelieve in self defense. I do believe
that people can carry weapons. SectorSo you're saying, if somebody assaulted you
in a parking lot and listen thatlisten, God forbid, I'd be careful

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because I and you defended yourself,you believe that you should be in a
car, that you wouldn't have aproblem with being a car slready for two
or three days when simply looking atvideo surveillance, state could have justified that
you did what you did in selfdefense. But you don't have a problem
being inside of jail for three days. If you say, yes, I
think you've never been inside of jail, well I haven't. I've never been

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inside of the jail before. ButI do believe in the process too,
And like like at the end ofthe day, like she didn't necessarily defend
herself. She got on the phoneand she got a fourteen year old.
That's defense. If you're sitting inmy car, if you're sitting I'm a
woman, if you're if you're ifyou took my gun, if you took
my gun that's not registered to you, and you took that gun and you

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shot it and you killed someone,you're gonna have to answer to that.
Like there's some questions for real.So so if you're if I'm in my
house, if I'm in my houseand you happen to be in my house
and somebody breaks in and there assaultingme, and I tell you go to
my dining room table to get thegun. You're gonna sit there and say,
well, Frankie, it's your gun. But I'm gonna run down the

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hall and I'm gonna call the policeand ask for a frank Let me tell
you self defense. Let me tellyou, frank I got hands. I'm
fighting back, like I'm I don'thave to get a gun. I got
hands. I get it. ButI really get like a fourteen year old
though, Like the thought process ofa fourteen year old picking up a gun
and defense or not and shooting someonescares me. Well, let me just
say to you. Let me justsay to you that there are there are

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kids in this country as young aseight, nine to ten how to shoot
firearms. And if you talk toenough people in the NRA and some Republicans,
they're extremely young. And I'll tellyou that when my daughter was twelve
or fourteen, thirteen, fourteen,we would go to the gun rink.
I don't think I'm you know,I'm anti gun. And I also,

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like I don't just say like antiuslead one. I don't say. I
don't say I'm anti guns just whenthere's a mass shooting. I'm gually anti
guns, and I feel like inthis situation, we're doing that thing where
we pick and choose when we wantto be antire pro guns and stuff like
that. And I think that's Ithink it's I think we really as African
Americans are on a very slippery sloperight now. I don't think I'm not

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anti gun because I just anti gun. I'm I'm anti people with bad behavior
that don't know how to handle agun and using them recordlessly. I'm anti
that. I'm anti people who bringguns into the neighborhood. Well, if
you're shooting, if you're shooting gunin the bag, listen, it's not
about being an anti gun. It'santi bad behavior. Yeah. But if

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you're shooting somebody in the back andchasing them down to continue to shoot them,
like some people would say that thatis bad behavior as well well,
And I would say to that person, and I think that every situation is
different, and I don't want tosay what it is and isn't. In
Dexter and I always go back andforth like this for people who are watching
and either custing him or me outwhile they watch, I'm just saying that

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he and I go back and forthlike this, all at the time.
But what I will tell you is, you know, until you find yourself
in a situation where you are tryingto save your life, I think that
people should reserve saying how they wouldactually respond. Let me get to run
and on this as well. Torun. You know, there always is
somewhat a rush to judgment in thesituation. Now, let me be clear.
Someone did lose their life, theyoung brother, the gentleman, the

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brother that had lost his life.It was unfortunate, you know. I
think one or the other could havejust stopped arguing and let's just walk away.
I want to try in public withpeople I don't know. I don't
want to blow it people in traffic. I don't want to stick my middle
finger up. I don't want todo all that. I just want to
get home safely. But I willtell you this, I was horrified as

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an African American woman to see herhave that conversation with that gentleman and to
talk to literally rare his arm backand punch her repeatedly. I would be
remiss as a black woman to notnotice the way and the viciousness that woman

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was attacked. So a couple ofphases and I always enjoy being on the
show with Dexter because he always bringsa bright new perspective to something I was
already thinking of. But let megive it to you. As a young
man, the only boy in thefamily, my job is to protect my
mind. Let me just tell youflat out, you can't hit my mother,

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period, period. We can debatewhether he should have got a gun,
whatever, but you can't hit mymother ever. Ever. Dude was
out of order. I'm a veteran. Guns have their place. We defend
this country based on guns. Sothe issue isn't guns. The issue is
who we're allowing to get guns.Yeah, guns, It can't be that
when our freedom, our very freedom, is based on our ability to defend

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this country. So therefore we can'thave that lack of conversation. Conversation.
It's got to be a little moregranular than good guns than you know,
good guns are bad, guns aregood. It's an issue of who who
has the right to carry a gun, which is the whole issue. But
let me just tell you the waythat guy decided he was gonna beat somebody's
mother, sister, or girlfriend insideof a store like she was a man,

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he shouldn't have hit a man thatway. The conflict wasn't at that
level. A matter of fact,looking at the video, he had more
energy than anyone. She didn't evenbring that in and she didn't swing on
him first. The son didn't comein there ahead of time to shoot him.
But let me tell you, ifmy mother is hit dude, they
ain't a time a matter of fact, they're gonna have to get I could
deceive maybe the young man being detained, but the mother was being beat I'm

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sorry. I don't care what herphone call would have been made. Who
fought the trigger is the issue outthe phone call, But it's more specifically,
what kind of brothers are we makingthat you, through a storm,
beat a woman down because you gota conflict, or to beat anyone down.
I mean, I think as AfricanAmericans, we're always standing up for
what's right the justice system, butsometimes the jetice system is not jests and

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it's us challenging the jestice system tobe jess is what gives us our rights.
It's not saying, well, youknow, it's against the law.
Laws have been wrong for years.We've had to govern under unjust rule for
years, and we've challenged that andwe've created a change. So to Dexter's
point, yes, there's some validityin the fact that a lot of wrong

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occurred on that occasion, but let'sstart with the bigger wrong. You hit
my mama. You're not hitting mymother and whatever happens after that, Bro,
you shouldn't have hit my MoMA.So yeah, let me let's speaking
of that. And Duran, youbrought up the video. Let's take an
opportunity and watch that video and howthis incident got start and and unfolded.

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Fool who get foo? Fool ifyou said, oh my now, Dextra,
I want to I want to comeback to you, but I want

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to start with you. Um aswell, Uh, Tacoma. You know
you started as well, starting bysaying, you know, we want to
acknowledge that somebody lost their life.Are people divided at all in this story
in Chicago? Very much so.UM, there's been a lot of division

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about this issue. And so whenI was at the press conference today,
it was acknowledged that, um,there have been threats of retribution. UM,
you know, and in light ofall this, um and why why
why have they been threatned? Andshe made that comment, We're gonna hear
from her and her and the pressconference that was heard, What is the
retribution or why is there some retaliatoryissue you think? I think that sentiment

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exists because the life was lost.Um. And I think that sentiment exists
because there are people who believe thatit should have never resulted, that kind
of conflict should have never resulted inanyone dying fundamentally, um. And I
will say, you know, hearingyou guys talk about this, there was

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something that really resonated me with mefrom from this press conference. The fact
that she said that she was beaten, she had didn't deserve that, and
she was arrested anyway anyway, rightanyway, And so you take yourself through
that. Can you imagine how demoralizingthat is? And so the woman that
I saw before me today was veryclearly, very traumatized from the whole ordeal.

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And even though she was acquitted ofall charges, all charges were dropped
against her and her son, it'shad a visible toll on her life already.
Absolutely, yeah, absolutely, Dexterar, I do want to come back
to you, you know, Ifind it interesting Duran as well to hear
Tacoma you know say that, andI get it. You know, we

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could all look at the same thingand come up with a different a different
result, but you know our actionscards therefore a reaction and dext year.
You brought up the piece of AfricanAmericans and like, you know, when
I'm out as a seasoned sister,you know, I'd like to be able

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to walk into a place and knowthat my brothers, the young black men
who look like me, they looklike they could be my son, not
be the ones who are going tobeat me. You do not be that
I have to fear. And Ican tell you driving around major cities around
the country and I see young brotherswalk across the street or walking behind me
or walking beside me, I shouldfeel protected and not threatened. And we

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can't continue to make excuses for peopleand bad and bad behavior and bad behavior.
Dexter, No, I agree.I agree that I don't think that
we should do that. And Ijust think though, like when we go
down these paths like this, Ifeel like we see this so often,

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like like this is just one situationthat got caught on camera, and it's
weird because it's I feel like wegive social media a lot of flek,
but this woman will probably still bein jail if it wasn't for social media.
So I do think that's something importantto like put out there. I
just I don't know. I guessmy partner because dexter so because you have
six and one hand, half adozen in the other. As he was

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beating her, if there were nointervention, the coversation, would it,
quite frankly, oh well, andhad he beat her to death, had
he beat her too within an inchof her life, or had taken her
life, we'd have been having thisconversation about his action versus her action.
Yes, yes, for sure.You gotta pick one or the other.
And the fact is, well,I think everybody is an agreement that he

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was wrong. I think like nomatter what. And I'm a religious person,
so I want to tread lightly onthis comment. But some people earn
things, and I think he earnedsomething, Like you did something and you
got something that you got, yougot what you deserved in a sense,
like you beat on somebody and somebodyretaliated and that's what ended up happening to
yo. My issue overall, Ithink is the lawsuit. Like I'm fine

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with them not being in jail.I just it almost feels like a money
grab to me, and that partit just it's not it's that's hard for
me. I'm glad that she's outof jail. I'm glad that the charge
to drop the boys fourteen years old, like he really shouldn't never have to
deal with this, right is thelawsuit and then seeing that the lawsuit and
maybe it's more, but from whatI saw it was about fifty thousand dollars.

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It's to me that just doesn't seemyou said the lawsuit was about fifty
thousand. It says you su forfifty thousand dollars. You know, you
know in courts there's a minimum,so you know you could end up being
higher than that. I would hopeso, because if you're taking these people
to court for fifty thousand dollars andyou're saying no, it has to be

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you know, depending on the court, depending on the county. You know,
there's a certain amount as a ata minimum, and create if there
is an negotiation of a gent saysno, I'm dismissing it, or whatever
the case might be. Um itactually there has to be a minimum.
And obviously I don't know a Tacoma, but that be the minimum amount um

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in Cook County to file any kindof civil judgment against someone. Yeah,
that's something that I have to lookat. But just to answer your question
about the lawsuit, because that wasa question that I had, what do
you say to people who would lookat this and say, hey, you
your charges were dropped. That shouldbe enough. But I keep going back

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to that statement that I mentioned earlier, that she was beaten. Um.
She had done nothing to provoke thatkind of treatment, and then she was
arrested. And so again the cruxof her false arrest claimed here is that
she was imprisoned without warrant, withoutprobable cause, without legal justification, and

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due to that arrest, you know, her liberty was restrained us as a
human being. Can you do see? That's the basis. Was there a
different video that was because every videoI've seen is the confrontation, Like,
I didn't see anything prior to this, so I don't I actually don't know
what was said by her or toher before any of that. I'm not

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saying it justifies anything, right,It's just the video starts and he's like,
well, well let me say twothings said that, and there's a
second video. I want us tosee, which is her comment because even
from Tacoma, what we have seenin terms of her arrest photo and the
photo of her son, and theylike to see her at this press conference.

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I want people to see that,Dexter, because you get to see
almost who she is outside of that. But it was really interesting and then
you know, there's been edits ofit all. But I think the other
pieces, which is what I wantto talk about on the other side of
this video, is that someone standingin line obviously started to record the incident

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inside the restaurant, and then whenhe started he swung the first time,
and when he went back to swinga second time, you see the older
gentleman run out, and then yousee the other person who was recording run
too, but not one assisted herin the restaurant to break it up.
The video recording and that I agreewith your Dexter. Thanks to videos,

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we've been able to see things thatwe haven't been able to see before.
But I my goodness, somebody's gotto step in. Dan Hold that I'm
gonna come back to you. Let'swatch this video of her at the press
conference. I'm June eighteenth of thisyear. My life changed, my son's
life changed. I've experienced pain inmany ways, many ways that I would

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never have thought. Never what happenedto me was totally unnecessary. Never in
a million years would I have imaginedbeing brutally attacked, beating and being arrested.
I am thankful that the Good CountyState's attorney dismissed the case. I

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am also thankful to have my sonwith me and and bay my sad and
also his charge is being dismissed.All right, So durn um that I
just wanted to jump in with thisum. To every action, there's an
equal and opposite reaction. That's thelaws of physics. It happens all the
time, right. So there waspeople that who choose to grab the video

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instead of instead of helping. That'sa whole other issue to Dexter's point.
Yep, yep, they are.They are videotaping, but they're doing nothing
in many cases watching murders. Insome cases, if you if you're going
to put out a video, pleasestop the situation, particularly if the situation
can be stopped by you. I'drather you go to video thing down and
actually or give it to someone elseand assist that that person from being assaulted.

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I think we need to go tothat next level. Second of all,
his first hit, his first hitcould have caused her to hit down,
hit hit something, bust her headand kill her. His first hit,
that hit he gave her could havecaused an aneurism, could have caused
a blood tall. There we're actingas if the first hit was always just
one. That hit could have takenher life in many cases, that kind

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of it takes people's lives all overthe country, and to the lawsuit piece
to come in with no more thananyone in Chicago. There's a large issue
about people being arrested for not fora just cause, issue being there,
people being detained improperly. There's abig issue. The community is always yelling
about how they're being treated, andmaybe this lawsuit just continues to shed light

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on that. So we continue toimprove the process. Not necessarily. Fifty
thousand is not a lot of money, but let me just tell you this,
lawsuits are ample all over this country. Law I mean people complain when
the lady got millions of dollars becausethe McDonald's coffee fell in her lab,
how many people jumped up and downand say, oh my god, that's
where too much money for she's spendingher money. Now, this young lady

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deserves fifty thousand for her reputation,fifty thousand for the traumas she went through,
notwithstanding who's standing up for her injuries, who's standing up for what she
had to substain from a strong guywho chose to just plumbing her because he
had a dispute. I really Idon't care the conversation ahead of time.
The conversation shouldn't have been ended upwith him swinging on her in that nature.
All right, listen, let mego go texture And I've got a

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question. I was just just justone less thing. Like when you say
things like that, it makes melike the journalists in me. Now I
want to dig into her background becausenow I want to know what the reputation
really was before this incident. Butdifferently, if you if you're saying you're
embarrassed by going to jail, andyou've been to jail multiple times for other
stuff, then yeah, I don'tcare if she's been to jail five or

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six times. If in that incident, if in that incident she did not
deserve to go, she shouldn't havegone to that time. Embarrass you.
But we're saying that she's been ajail. She's probably never been a jail,
But I'm saying you've done something before. You can't throw your reputation to
say, like my reputation is seebut that see. But this goes to
what I believe some of the lawsuitis about. And I don't know the

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ethnicity, I don't know the youknow the culture. I know what I've
read about police and the police misconductin the city of Chicago. UM,
I know Tacoma that there has beensome recommendations as well with the police department
under the previous mayor to make somerecommendations to have some of those rogue officers

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removed UH and they were not removedUH from from their duties, but that
the perception that this woman did notdeserve UH to the rights that anybody else
would have been UH privy too tonot be arrested when it was clearly self
defense, that that she spent aday, an hour or two days,

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where had they done their jobs andlooked at the videos and then the necessary
investigation and she wouldn't have been arrested. I would, I would. My
question would be whether or not theywould do the same thing. Um for
that she should be treated like anyother citizen in the city of Chicago,
particularly if they're not African American American. I think that perceptions mean a lot,

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presenting means a lot. And Ijust want to say, this is
the final thing to what you said. If a girl wears a short skirt,
she could wear a short skirt asmuch as you are should she maybe
maybe she shouldn't. But if shewears the jeans the next day and some
guy whistles at her just because shehad on a short skirt yesterday, doesn't
give him the right today to saysomething disrespectful to her. Even if we
find out her background, it doesn'tsuspend her rights right And in addition to

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that, I'm amazing good cops inChicago the years I was there, So
that's not an environment that's written withthat's terrible cops and they aren't a situation
but the embarrassing peace. Did theytake her to the hospital first? Did
she go get Were they in thehospital questioning her? Because to me,
in the hospital whether she had aconcussion question is the issue. Whether or

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not she had a severe injury wasmore important than arresting her and taking her
to So I don't know that partof the story to coma. So maybe
I mean, maybe they did takeher, maybe she did get medical attention.
To me, that's the first partof the story, is getting medical
attention or the injury that occurred thatthey clearly had witnesses there who can say
what it occurred. All right,now, listen, we've got about five

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minutes before the end of the show. And I love your big mouth topic
of the week, So let mejust ask this question based on what it
is that you said earlier, dRun and it was around we're in a
day where people are videotaping and delightand you said put down the video and
help. I'm just curious if ifyou are in and I hate to ask

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each of you, but I'm goingto do it because some of the most
brilliant men I know, if youare in an incident in that in that
story like this one for example,and something pops off like that and you're
videotaping, most people today, whetherthey're taping or not, are afraid to

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blow their horns in traffic. They'reafraid to say to something to somebody in
the store because it could go leftbut would you intervene? Would you if
you were in that store? Doyou believe let me just be kind to
you through three men, do youbelieve some guy you knew would be more

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likely than not to have intervened inthat situation or have ran like the gentleman
that was in that video. Solet me just tell you, Frank And
my spirit is different because of courseI took the oath to defend the country.
I have a different spirit. There'sa fire I'm going into it.
I think there's a comment. I'vedone it on many occasions. I've had
to stand up when a young ladywas being yelled at by eustomer with a

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two by four at home depot andhe's a veteran and I was a veteran.
I said, you need to change. I had to talk to him
about what it meant to be aveteran and change that energy. Why everyone
else stood around and let her bejust berated by this ignorance? You know
you of course, you know youdon't know who has a gun, has

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a weapon, and you don't wantto just be rastling people, but you
gotta speak up. At a minimum, someone should have been saying, yo,
man, that bringing that conversation down. Yeah, minimum like yea,
you maybe don't jump in, butif you have a camera, give it
to that next person, say yo, you got you gotta stop that because
if she dies, it's on youeveryone in the next store. If that

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young lady dies because she's beaten up, this on them as far as I'm
concerned, And you just want tobe quiet because you're scared of him,
But you had no problem in givingup a life for that after she's going,
who's next? Yeah? Next year? Um. I would not have
jumped into that situation. However,I wouldn't have recorded it either. Like
when I'm in situations now and Isee that kind of stuff happening, I

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move away from it, like Iwouldn't have known anything happened until I saw
it on the TV the next day. Because so at what point would you
have walked away when they started toargue? When people get to arguing in
public, then do you? Ipromise you, Frankie, anytime I see
people arguing and blick places, Imoved as far away from that situation as
possible because I've seen it. I'veseen it where you've found yourself with it.

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Because things can happen in a moment. Yes, if you found yourself
and a man is yelling at awoman and he barrels off at her,
but you're standing there. Yeah,I mean it was that quick. What
do you think you're more likely thannot to Well, I've hand that situation
happened, and I have stepped intoit, and it's weird because when I've
done it, it's been like adomestic situation and like I calmed the situation

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down or whatever, like they didn'tfight, but guess what, they went
home together. And I can't controlwhat they do when they go home.
But it's just one of those thingswhere I try to stay out of that
kind of stuff as much as possible. But I do think in this specific
situation, I am disgusted with theguys who ran away and who decided to
hope that phone up, because ifyou're gonna do that, then you have

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to intervene, especially when he hither like that was that was insane and
that that was a bit much.And honestly, like violence against women is
one of the hids, and women'sone of those things that makes my skin
cross. So yeah, I knowfor a fact that I would have done
something maybe I wouldn't have like shothim or hit him or whatever, but
at least said something something, Yeah, yeah, all right to come up.

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Are you more likely than not?At least you know you think they're
more likely than not to interview.We'll get in to try to diffuse the
situation, to take her away fromthat situation as peacefully as possible. But
yeah, I can't see that happeningin my presence with the woman. And
just to talk about something that's mentionedearlier. Her attorneys didn't describe her as

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an upstanding citizen. But that doesn'tmatter. That should have happened anyway,
matter what I said, It shouldhave never ever gotten to that point.
It's what I all right, Solisten, we're gonna go my round table,
dexter. I'm gonna start with youas we get ready to wrap up.
First of all, to each andeveryone watching, thank you so much

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for watching via Real Time to Mediaof the Black Information Network and of course
I Heart Radio. Make sure thatyou go to the Real Times Media website
find us on YouTube. Thank youto Jamal Cotton as well, who is
producing and editing the show. Thankyou for each and every one of you
watching and come back each and everyweek. Dexter your final closing words,

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what's on your mind? I sawa story there was a transgender woman who
is pissed because she was rejected fromfor treatment at a Ghana college's office after
being told they don't treat biological miles. And this is like picking up a
lot of steam on social media becauseit brings that debate if you have changed
to a woman, you've changed yourparts and everything, like should you be
seen by people who see women oris it should you still go to who

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you were saying before? Well,does she still have what she had before?
I wasn't in there, so Idon't know what's going on down there
because I'm just if okay, I'mjust thinking of, yeah, do you
have what you had before? WhenI saw this story, initially I was
like, well, what exactly arethey going into the story? I'd love

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to talk about it, along withwhether or not you believe that transgender men
should participate in women's athletics. That'sa big story. I think that's a
good one to cover. Jeron what'son your mind? So I've watched stories
all over the country because of thethese aggressive bands that women's healthcare has been

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tremendously decreased. In some places whereyou've had the planned parenthood might have been
the only one there, or therewas a clinic that was there. They're
gone, they're closed. Everyone's worriedabout lawsuits in Florida and other places.
I think that you know, aspeople, we need to watch this space.
We're giving up our right, right, right citizens and to be human

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because of some small group of politicalactivists who think no care is in place.
It's the same space of getting ridof books. So people need to
really really think about that next electionand who they vote for should be giving
you freedom, not taking it away. All right, Dan, thank you
so very much. Dexter is alwaysso controversial, great point to run and

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for a lot of college students.I know it because planned parenthood without healthcare.
Being too old at the time tobe on my parents' healthcare, planned
parenthood provided a number of healthcare opportunitiesfor women, and that was Dexter,
our gynecologist of the day, tobe able to have open conversation for young
women who are leaving home going outon their own, never had conversations with

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their parents, but knew that theycould get the specific information they needed from
a professional at Planned Parenthood. Greatpoint to run. Thank you so much,
Tacoma. What's on your mind?Mental health treatment for us brothers,
men, and anyone listening to this, it's okay to feel, it's okay
to pride. Mental health treatment iscrucial for us to deal with our anger,

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especially in light of what we talkedabout today. We have to deal
with these issues with our anger,and mental health treatment is the gateway to
just an improved life, and itopens your potential to look a fulfilling life.
And I just urge anyone listening tothis if you're feeling something, if

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you're feeling angry all the time,please see professional about it. It will
greatly improve your life. Listen,that was going to be part of just
mental health, particularly for men blackand white. We see a lot of
this handgun violence happening by men,whether they're walking into a grocery store or

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into a middle school, or youknow what's happening in neighborhoods of color around
the country. They're young men betweenthe ages of sixteen and thirty years.
So ditto to you, Tacoma.And I promise you you've got to come
back. If not, I'm comingto Chicago to get you to make sure

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that you join us. Thank youfor joining me at such short notice,
and we look forward to you beinga guest on the show on a regular
basis. So thank you so much. We appreciate that. My name is
Frankie Dartsel. We do this eachand every weekday of teaching, every other
week, so make sure that youjoin us and click like on YouTube,

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follow us on the iHeartRadio Network,Black Information Network in Real times media.
We'll do it again the next time. To my guests, Thank you,
guys. We appreciate it. Thankyou, Thank you. Frankie