Garden Tools: Is Your Shed Properly Stocked?

The right tools for the task are just as important in the garden as they are in the shop. Learn our must-haves and favorites. Plus, pruning whorled hydrangeas and Supertunias. Featured plant: 'Aphrodite' sweetshrub.

Episode Transcript

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Coming to you from Studio A hereat proven Winner's Color Choice Shrubs. It's
time for the Gardening Simplified Show withStacy Hervella, me, Rick weisst and
our engineer and producer Adrianna Robinson.Today let's talk tools. When push comes
to shovel, you got to havegood tools to well take care of your

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landscape. And I love talking abouttools, Stacey. And one of the
things I think about immediately when thetopic of tools comes up is heirloom tools,
tools that have been gifted to youby a grandfather or a great grandfather.
And I think of the great Greekphilosopher Plutarch and the ship of Thesis.

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Now the thesis paradox is this.They had this ship and they took
all the planks off it, andthen they put new planks on it.
When you put new planks on theship, is it still the original ship.
That's a good question, exactly,something to ponder. And I think
about that my shed because if Ihave an ax from Grandpa, but I
replace the handle on the ax,is it still Grandpa's end? Absolutely?

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In that case, you know thehandle's gonna wear out, The head is
still good. The business end isstill Grandpa's and that's what matters the business
end. I like that, Stacy. All right, So if you go
to you go on the web andyou search garden tools, usually the first
three things you see are tools forweeding, tools for your comfort like knee
pads or clothing, and then toolsfor pruning. But of course you have

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to start with shovels, got it, because a shovel is a ground breaking
invention. Sorry, it is literallyand figuratively. Yes, you got correct.
Don't buy cheap shovels. Put yourmoney into a really, really good
shovel and you can get handles ofcomposite, fiberglass, steel, or wood.

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You can get open back shovels,close back shovel forged shovels. I
like to sharpen my shovels. Payattention to your shovels and make sure it's
quality. Well. You know,the fact is that, especially if you're
young and you're just getting started outat your first home, it's very tempting
to buy an inexpensive shovel and justsay this, I'll do the job.

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But the simple fact is that youwill absolutely spend that same amount of money
over time replacing said inexpensive shovel ohyou know, because it keeps breaking.
Because shovels take a lot of work. They take they take a beating really
then, especially if you live inclay soil, I mean living in pretty
sandy soil, our shovels don't takequite as much. But you never know

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when you're gonna hit a rock orsome old concrete down there and it's gonna
bust it. So it's worth it, not just in shovels, but in
all garden tools, to really shellout and make the investment in a lifelong
tool that can be in air loom. It doesn't have to be, you
know, a five hundred dollars shovel, even if you could potentially find one,
even those ones they use it.You know, fake tree plannings and

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ground breakings are just spray painted goals. But you know, invest in a
good tool and it will pay youback by not having to replace it every
year. Oh amen, I tellyou, when push comes to shovel I
have a propensity for shortening the lifeof shovels, So spend some money up
front, make sure it's good.You need a good spade shovel for edging,

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you need a stainless steel soil knife. I like soil knives because otherwise
you end up using your pruning shears, and that's not a good idea.
I have never Okay, I've gota confess ric. I am a little
disappointed that you've been using your pruningshears in the soil. The only time
my pruning chears see the soil isif I have to cut a root.
Yes, but you know then I'mnot like Jabin at it. I'm actually

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using them to prune the root now. But I will say this about a
soil knife. One thing that's veryhandy about a soil knife is it's super
easy to keep in your pocket becauseit's flat. So soil knife is kind
of like so when you think knife, are not thinking like a butter knife
or a kitchen knife. It's likea flattened trowel exactly with a sharper edge
on each side. So really easyto fit in your back pocket. If

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you got one of those loops onyour pants, a carpenter loop, if
it's in there. If you gota side pocket, it fits in there.
So it's really easy to have handy, and it's not always like jabbing
into your pocket, so you can'tkneel down. Ask me how I know.
I just don't sit on it.Don't sit on it. Well,
I tell you what another tool thatyou have to have is you have to
have good quality gloves. Now youmay debate that gloves are not a tool,

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but for me, they're super important. And I wanted to show you
my favorite gloves. I have iton here. They're called West County gloves.
And what I love about these thingsis that they have kevlar on the
tips, so I can be asrough as I want to be. But
they're gentle soft right here on thethumb so you can wipe your brow when

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you're sweating. And they're made ofrecycled spandex. I don't want to think
of of what they recycled, butthey were recyclably, just the cutoffs.
Okay, So this is this ismy go to and to prove it to
you for our YouTube viewers, theseare West County gloves that I took out
of my car. This is justout of my car. Oh my gosh,

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look at that one. It's shreds. This one's it's shreds. Yeah,
which brings up the point when wetalk about gloves. Have some leather
gloves around for projects where you're movingstones or patio stones or landscape timbers.
But for gardening. And these peoplearen't paying me. Okay, but West
County gloves a reciprocating saw for cuttingornamental grasses. Oh we've had some job

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ye yeah, who have suggested thata good hand hatchet, safety glasses and
sunglasses to go with it. TheUS Consumer Product Safety Commission estimates more than
thirty seven thousand Americans suffer a powermore related injury every year. Oh that's
terrifying, how horrible. And manyof them were cutting the grass bare foot.

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Oh gosh, no, never,never smart. I remember when I
first broke into the industry early nineteeneighties, the fly mole was very popular.
It's a more that did not havewheels, but the blade would spin
so fast it would it would goairborne. Oh that sounds safe. Yeah,

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And here's the problem. People startedtrying to trim their hedges with it
and what could grow around? Gosh, yeah, so I never heard of
that. One's something You'll have tolook for it in estate sale because I'm
pretty sure they took those. Theydid. According to the National Safety Council,
there were nearly one hundred and sixtysix thousand, two hundred and ninety

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four injuries related to yard and gardenequipment in twenty twenty one. Wow.
So with that, Stacy, Igive you a dangerous tool, limb a
rick. This old tool is afamily heirloom. Its sharp blades, my
hedges, groom. But if I'mnot cautious, I'm going to be nauseous
when they take me to the emergencyroom. Each time you prune, you'd

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take a chance in appendage. Youcould lance treat tools with great respect.
If they're used incorrect, you're gonnasplit your plants. Oh, it's be
careful out there, right. Yeah. When I was in horticulture school,
we had a plan id exam andthere is a difference between two very popular
types of Forcythia, Forcythia intermedia andForcythia suspensa. And the difference between them,

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I mean, there's some habit differences, obviously, but is if you
cut open the stem, there's onehas chambered pith, so the pith inside
is kind of like in little rooms, and one is a solid column of
pith. So I wanted to beabsolutely correct, and I was in a
hurry, and I was bouncing myclipboard and I took my pruners and I
cut up the stem and I cutmyself real bad. Oh, and I

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didn't want to tell anybody, sothen I was just kind of like trying
to hide my bleeding finger and finishthe exit I am. And it's you
know, in all, it's justlike anything else around the house. Those
injuries happen when you're not paying attention, not giving everything your full devotion,
and that's really important, especially whenyou're using dangerous tools. It's true,
you got to pay attention. Irecommend a good garden krt, a good

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watering can, a good wheelbarrow.Wheelbarrows don't get enough respect. They're always
getting pushed around, and you needa good wheelbarrow in your landscape, a
spading fork, and of course myfavorite tool is my cherninator where I grind

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up leaves in the fall. Ilove that. It's very handy to have.
We still need a video of that, yes, and speaking of videos,
we are going to have some shortson YouTube of us telling you about
our favorite tools. So please docheck us out on YouTube if you want
to see the tools that we haveamassed, heirloom or not just our favorite
tools that we will be sharing invideos on your fantastic I love it head

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shears now, of course I lovea really good solid head shears once again
for cutting my ornamental grasses. I'vegot lots of ornamental grasses. But the
point here is with headshars or shovelsor pruning shears, where you get a
good quality bypass pruning chears stacy.The quality matters, the heft and the

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quality matters not only for how longyou own the tool, but just for
how it operates. It really does, and you can tell the difference.
And if you know, if you'reshopping for tools, don't just look at
the prices and grab the cheap oneand walk by. Take a moment to
really hold and you know the differentones like you would be using them,
because you will notice there's something thathappens when you have a really good,

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high quality tool in your hands.You can just tell. And that makes
especially jobs that you don't particularly enjoyin the garden a lot easier if you're
using a tool that not only doesthe job really well, but you actually
enjoy using and that you have investedthe time and money into procuring and adding
to your collection. It's a greatpoint with hand trowels or hand cultivators.

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I always insist on stainless steel,not the cheapy ones, because you'll go
out there, use it one timeand throw it in the trash, and
you know, some things you probablydo want to have a little cheaper like
trowels. Maybe if you are thekind of person like me who always has
a big bucket of weeds and youthrow your trowel in there and then a
few more weeds come on top andthen blam, oh no more trowel.

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Blama. Been there a couple times, just saying make sure you've got five
gallon pails, trug tubs. Andthen finally, real quickly, I just
want to mention an upside down sprayer. If you don't know what that is.
We're going to put the link atthe website at Gardeningsimplified on air dot
com. But you need one ofthose, yes, absolutely. Coming up

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next, plants on trial here onthe Gardening Simplified Show, Prooven Winners,
Colored Choice Shrubs cares about your successin the garden. That's why we trial
and test all of our shrubs foreight to ten years, making sure they
outperform everything else. On the market. Look for them and the distinctive white

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container at your local garden center.Greeting's gardening friends, and welcome back to
the Gardening Simplified Show. We're talkingtools today, and you know, I
always feel like I have to.You're doing such a great job in the
first segment. I don't want tointerrupt you, but I always like,
I really want to just say thisone thing. So so then when we
get to plants on trial, Ifeel like I need to just say that
one thing. And that one thingfor me is, you know, gloves,

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I think are the most polarizing ofall garden tools. People have very
strong preferences about gloves, as youdo, as we just saw, and
I do as well. And foryears I did not wear gloves gardening.
I was a gloveless gardener. Ilike to feel the soil, I like
to be down in there. Andthen I found myself as a whole culturist

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in New York City and there wasnot a chance that I was going to
not wear gloves digging around in thesoil in New York City, where you
know, who knows what can happen, And so that kind of started me
on a habit of using gloves,and even when I moved back to Michigan
and I said, oh, Idon't have to use gloves anymore. This
is great. The first day Igardened without gloves, I was like,
ouch, you know, because yourhands I get, even if you're not

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really doing anything that you know of, they just get like these small kind
of lacerations on them and it's reallypainful. So to me, you know,
gloves were thinking back to when Iwas a kid, you know,
in the eighties, and they hadthose little cotton flower print gloves that had
the little tiny piece of elastic onthe back that barely did anything, and

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those gloves are terrible. I meanfor me, again, gloves are very
personal. You can all if youlike those gloves, that's fine, but
those aren't good gardening gloves. Theydon't give you a lot of dexterity.
And gardening gloves have come so far, and I think your West Country gloves
are a great example of that.My personal choice are the kind that are
elastic, have the knitted elastic andare dipped in the like eurothane or whatever

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Latex. Yeah, yeah, sothey're reusable. I usually go through one
pair a year because I end upblowing out the fingers because I'm always digging
around with my gloves. But Ilove those. They're cool, they're easy
to stash in your pocket, they'repretty inexpensive, and they do everything you
need. They give you the gripthat you need. They have good dexterity.
So I have totally come around andnow I'm a fully gloved gardener and

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I wouldn't even think about doing muchmore than harvesting a few herbs without gloves.
I agree, speaking of fully gloved, I have a tendency of losing
either the right hand or the lefthand, so then I'm out there like
Michael Jackson with one glove on.But still, but it's not a fashion
statement. It's not a fashion statement. Well, anyway, that's my thoughts
on gloves, and if you havethoughts on gloves, we would welcome you

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to leave a comment on the YouTubeversion because we know everybody has something that
they really love and we love hearingabout that. So the topic of today,
of course is tools. And sosince I do like to relate the
plant on trial to the theme ofthe show, I have picked aphrodite Kelly
Canthus, what an incredible plant.It really is now, this is a
plant that when people see it,they just love it. And a lot

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of the plants that we offer inthe Proven Winner's Color Choice Shrubs line are
you know, plants that people arealready familiar with, that people already love
and know well, and we're justtrying to find improved versions of those.
And to me, aphrodite kelly canthusis one of the relatively few plants in
the line that's kind of a plantgeek plant. You don't have to be

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a plan geek to appreciate it,but it is one that plant geeks look
at and say, oh, now, that is a cool plant. So
it is a kelly canthus, whichis also known as a sweet shrub,
and it's a hybrid of our NorthAmerican native sweet shrub, which is kelly
Canthus floridus, And like so manyNorth American nationative shrubs, it has acquired

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a massive range of common names overthe years. Sweet shrub is the most
common, but you will also heredepending on the region you are in,
sweet Betsy, sweet Bippy, sweetBippy, and strawberry shrub. I have
only heard sweet, I've only readsweet pippy. I have not actually had

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a gardener come up to me andsay, you know, get a load
of my sweet pippy. But anyway, apparently that's one of the common names.
So it's a hybrid of our nativeone and Sino kelly Canthus chinensis,
which is the Asian species, andso in many cases there are similar plants
in Asia as there are in NorthAmerica, and so this is a hybrid

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of the two. And it fitsinto toy Today's theme of tools because this
is a shrub that you're gonna needprobably a special tool if you want to
prune it. This is because itis a big shrub, and a lot
of shrubs that we sell in theproven Winn's line are not that big.
We know people aren't looking for somethingthat's going to overgrow their house are going

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to, you know, need alot of pruning. It doesn't strictly require
pruning, but if you do wantto prune this, it's going to grow
big, thick, sturdy branches thatare going to need loppers. So lappers
is not something we talked about,but lappers is kind of like a bypass
pruner, but much longer, soit's on a longer handle so you can
really get in there leverage and it'sreally good for you know, pruning out

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large branches from the center of abig mature shrub. You can even use
it on trees to take out youknow, branches probably up to like an
inch and a half to two inchesin diameter, So it's just like a
hand pruner, but it gives youa little more reach and leverage, and
uh is a lot can take outa lot bigger branches. So if you
do want to prune, if youhave aphrodity Caillie canthus and you're going to

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prune it, this is a plantthat I would recommend you're going to want
some looppers on. But once youoppers, you'll find all sorts of great
uses for them. They're very handy. But this is a big plant.
So it's a five to ten feettall and wide shrub. And you might
be thinking, WHOA, that's apretty big range. Do I expect it
to be five feet or do Iexpect it to be ten feet? And
the answer to that is that thecoldier climate, the more it's going to

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be towards that five to seven footrange, and in those warmer areas it's
going to reach every bit of thatten feet by ten feet. But if
you have the space for this.I cannot think a few other ways to
transform a spot in your yard fromsomething that you have to mow or weed
or whatever. Just plant this shrub, and all of a sudden, you've

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got like ten square feet of yardtaken up with something that's beautiful that you
barely have to take care of.That's fantastic. And Stacy, you got
me so excited about this plant bysimply telling me to stick my face in
there and take a whiff. Wow. Right, So I do want to
I'll get into the flowers, butI want to kind of give every a

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mental image of of what the whatthe plant looks like. So if you've
seen the North American sweet shrub,the flowers are similar, so they have
that same kind of deep red marooncolor. But the Asian heritage of the
the Asian parentage give the flowers areally large size and they're much more open.
So we'll put pictures of both onthe show notes at Gardeningsimplified on air

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dot com, so you can seeour native species, just straight species like
you'd find in the wilds and theAppalachian mountains. And then we'll put pictures
of aphrodite. So it's a hybridof the two. So if you're trying
to conjure up a mental image ofthis, I would say, imagine a
magnolia or water lily flower and nowimagine it dark red, good descript So
that's pretty much what they look like. Now. The foliage on this plant

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is also very very large and veryvery glossy. So it's a really interesting,
unique plant. Definitely not like somethingthat you know you usually see as
you're walking around, and as youmight guess because of the name Sweet Srub,
it is fragrant. Now, fragranceis one of those things that is
highly subjective for people. And ournative sweet Srub and we have a version

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of our native Sweet Srub in theproven Winner's line called Simply Sensational Kelly Canthus,
and that thing, the fragrance onthat will absolutely knock your socks off.
It is the most delicious and uniquefragrance of almost any of our shrups
minus al Nino Chetalpa, which I'vetalked about. It smells like melon vanilla.
This Simply Sensational Kelly Canthus smells likeripe strawberries. Kind of. Oh,

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it's such an amazing smell. Nowbecause aphrodite. The one we're talking
about today is a hybrid. Itsfragrance is a little bit more elusive,
so it's not necessarily one of thoseplants. Every single time you walk by
it you're going to go, WHOA, what's that smell? Like you would
with simply sensational. But if youtake a flower, especially as it's starting
to fade, so it's gotten alittle bit older, and especially later in

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the day, and you ask peoplewhat it smells like, you're probably gonna
get a different answer from every singleperson that you ask, because it is
a very subjective fragrance. Now,to me, the flowers on Aphrodite kelly
Caanthus smell like an apple that hasfallen off the tree at infall on a
warm sunny day, and that ripe, that kind of overripe apple smell is

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just you know, wafting up fromthe warmth. That's sort of what the
flowers smell like to me in agood way. Great description, and I
think you nailed at Stacey simply bysaying delicious. This is a flower that
smells delicious. Yes. Now,again, if you're looking for the best
fragrance, you're going to definitely wantto go with our North American native species
Kellycanthus floridus or simply sensational, butthe flowers on aphrodite really make up for

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that lack of power in the fragrance. So it's not native because it is
a hybrid of the North American nativeand the Asian. But again a big
plant, so give it space.But if you have space for it,
I would highly recommend it. Idon't have a huge yard. I grow
it because I love it so much, so it's definitely definitely worth growing.
It does take well to pruning ifyou want to prune it, but you

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do have to bear in mind thatit flowers on old and new woods,
so it starts to flower for ushere in Michigan probably late spring, early
summer, so you'd want to pruneit after that, and then it does
here continue to flower through the summer. It always has some flowers on it,
really clear through i'd say August,so you get a lot of bang
for your buck with this plant.It does not require pruning, but again,

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if you are going to prune it, you're probably gonna want those loppers
because this is a big, vigorousplant. For coverage. Birds love it.
It is also very dear resistant.I have not had any nibbles on
mine, which is really saying somethingI'm going to knock on wood though,
just to be safe. Hard todo usdas on five heat tolerant through USDA's
one nine and really just a veryvery interesting, unique plant with some incredible

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color. Now, that was alot to take in, so if you're
wondering what it looks like, pleasedo check us out at Gardening Simplified on
it. You can also check usout on YouTube. Adriana is gonna put
some fabulous footage of Aphrodit kellikanthus intoour show, and of course you can
always check us out on Instagram.We got to take a little break right
now. When we're coming back,we're opening up the mailbag, so please
stay tuned. At proven Winner's ColorChoice, we've got a shrub for every

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taste and every space. Whether you'relooking for an easycare rose, an unforgettable
hydrangea, or something new and unique, you can be confident that the shrubs
and the white containers have been trialedand tested for your success. Look for
them at your local garden center.Greetings, gardening friends, and welcome back
to the gardening Simplified show. It'stime to open up the garden mailbag.

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We know you've got questions, andif you haven't asked them yet, you
can reach us at help HLP atGardeningsimplified on air dot com, or just
go to Gardening Simplified on air dotcom and you can click the contact form
and send us a question that way. I know we're getting into the thick
of it. You know a lotof people are sitting there going I need
an answer now. I can't waittill next week when Gardening Simplified is back.
So you can also reach us.Just go to the Proven Winner's website

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preven Winners dot com. There isa feedback It says feedback Questions, We're
listening. You can click there andone of our horticulturists will get back to
We try to get it within thenext business day if we can. So
if you have an urgent question,you can't wait a week for it to
be answered, definitely check us outthere. So what do we got in
the mailbag this week? Well,Stacey, a question from Lori Anne.
I have a question about my pinetrees. They're shedding little branches. Is

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that something that happens every few years. I honestly don't remember that happening before.
Did they drop pine cones before?Did you thought you might know?
Thanks Malch, These are the treesin my front yard. She sent some
pictures. Ran into a neighbor walkingthis morning and their trees have the same
issue. Her neighbors said it wasfrom heavy snow. What in the world

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is going on? Otherwise, justfiled this in the crazy lady file.
Oh no, absolutely not, Lorianne. You are not crazy. No,
lorian the squirrels are. You arenot crazy. But the squirrels certainly are,
and they're hungry. And so whenyou get to the end of winter,
they'll go up there and soft littlepieces of branches, leave them on
the ground, eat the bud andleave the debris. Yeah, they eat

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the bud. They'll eat the sap. And we talked about that a little
bit when we had don snowy incOn a few weeks ago. The sap
is running and that includes in thosepines and spruces and all of that,
and that bud, yeah, sotender, so full of flavor, and
so they go in there, theysnip off that bud and they don't mind
letting those little pieces just drop allover, and yeah, it can look

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like a genuine carpet if they reallyget busy with it. So the fact
that this is happening, Lorienne,and it hasn't happened before, could just
be that some squirrels moved into yourneighborhood that weren't there before, or they
just discovered your tree. I alsothink they kind of do it just out
of boredom. I think so too. They're chewing, they're sharpening their teeth,

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and they hack these things off.Lori. Anne sent some pictures for
our YouTube viewers. You're seeing thosepictures right now. For those listening to
podcast or radio. Adriana will putthem at Gardeningsimplified on air dot Com.
You bet, so, nothing toworry about. The tree will be fine,
The squirrels will be fine. Someof them might make it into their

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nests. Some of them they're justthey're just that's just the way it's going
to be. It's part of nature, and the squirrels are kind of controlling
the growth. Whether they mean toyou or not. It's just one of
those things. But I've seen ithappen myself. It's nuts. Randy writes
to us he's he asked before aboutgrowing hydranges in containers a few weeks ago.
I remember that follow up question.I'm curious when I start putting your

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soil mix mixture in the pot,when and how much of the fertilizer I
should add to the pot, AndI'm going to top it with mulch as
you recommended. So Randy is ourlistener viewer who's putting hydranges in Yes,
So, I thought this was areally good question that was probably not a
lot of people's minds, and we'vehit on it a couple times here and

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there on the show. But thesimple fact is that when you are buying
new potting mix from the garden Center, you don't usually need to add any
fertilizer. And the reason for thatis because most potting mixes, just in
terms of like their basic ingredients,the phagnum moss, the bark, the
vermiculite prolate, all that kind ofstuff doesn't really have a lot of nutrition.

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So if you ever wondered why everysingle potting mix seems to come from
a fertilizer company, there's a reasonfor that, and that's because they're adding
their fertilizer to it to get thatnutrients in there. Now, if you
are reusing a potting mix, thenyou're definitely going to want to fertilize.
So what I usually do is Iwill just film my containers, put a
handful of you know, plant tone, flower tone, something like that.

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You know, we like those fertilizersa lot. Put a little bit of
that in, mix it into theto the top, you know, a
couple inches of soil. I don'tpersonally feel like I need it all the
way through through the soil because ifit's at the bottom, the roots aren't
going to be down there. Thewater's going to be working on that fertilizer
and it's just going to go outthe bottom without ever being used. So
I like to keep that fertilizer justup in the early root zone of the
plant. But yeah, so newsoil, don't worry about fertilizing, especially

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for shrubs. If you're reusing oldsoil, then you definitely want to get
some fertilizer in there and you cancontinue to fertilize, you know, through
the season to get that growth thatyou need. So Randy, no cost
or concerns, save that fertilizer fornext year, because you're going to need
it. Then when they've been througha whole season, dirty job, somebody's
got to do it. Our friendJim has a great question about pruning hydranges.

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Stacy, if I had a dimefor everyone who is right, I
feel that, Yeah, we havea question about high range of pruning.
Despite watching many pruning videos, wecan never quite come to grips very well
done. Nice. I like that. With how to deal with the whirls
which emerge from the pruning point,we tend to get whirls. That's a

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tough word to say. Have threelong flowering stems from every pruning point,
and they can get long and pendulous. So we wonder how to keep the
plant from opening out too much.We figure if we cut it below the
whirl each year, we will becutting the hydrangea lower and lower and lower
year by year. So you getthe idea here, Stacy, Gym's looking

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for some detailed instruments. And youknow, I understand because I have encountered
this myself. And when your hydrangeis young, it might not matter that
much. But as your hydrangees getmore mature and you're seeing more of this
world. And what Jim means bya worl, And if you've grown panicle
hydrange is before, you've probably seenthis. Usually the leaves come across,
come out opposite from each other onthe stem, but occasionally you will see

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these worls form, and the worlis basically that there's three leaves around the
stem. So instead of just cuttingand having that forked growth, you're gonna
have three branches coming out of thatpoint, and you're gonna get these weird
fireworks like we just talked about inour smoke bush pruning video that's on our
YouTube channel. And you stand theregoing what in the world just happen?
That's exactly what you do. Sofirst you ask yourself, what in the

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world do I do now? Andwe will try to make a video on
this gym if we can find agood hydrange Probably most of the hydrangees around
here have been prune, but ifAdrian I can find a good place to
do it, we will make avideo of this. So what I recommend
that you do is go ahead andprune the panicle hydrangel wherever you need to
do. Usually we're recommending, youknow, taking off about a third of

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the total growth of the plant.Because this kind of splits, the difference
between taking the plant back to wherethicker buds were formed earlier in the season,
so you get a lot of vigorousnew growth, but also preserving enough
of the old woody framework so thatyou have a nice, strong and supportive
plant. So usually it's a third, it can be half. It really
depends on what you need to do. Now. If you are pruning to

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that WORL, go ahead and makeyour pruning cut as usual, and then
wait and watch over the coming weeksas that new growth starts to come from
the world. And then at thatpoint I would thin it to just one
or two branches. And I havepictures of this what the owner of our
trialgarden has done to his and you'llbe able to see that where those hydranges

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usually would fork, what he hasdone is selected one branch to continue that
growth. It'll be real parent inthese pictures. So please check us out
at Gardening Simplified on air dot comand I'll put those there. So what
you're going to want to do isjust selectively thin to one or two branches
going in the direction that you wantto go, because those three branches are
going to be going three different directions, and so whatever way you want the

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plant to grow. If you wantit to grow away from your house,
then you would select the branch that'sgrowing away from your house. If you
want it to grow left, you'dselect a branch that was on the left,
thin out the other two and thenlet that one branch take over.
And that way you don't have tokeep lowering the height of your pruning and
you keep getting that nice, thick, vigorous growth at that point where you

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want it. You are a truepruning expert, Stacy, I am,
you know what, I'm really nota parting expert. The thing is like
I find these myself in these situationsall the time where I'm pruning something and
I think, I think, whatdo I do? But the expertise comes
from you know, really, Ithink taking the time to think about it

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and think about how your actions aregoing to impact the plant growth. And
you know, of course, aswe talked about in our pruning show a
couple of weeks ago, another importantpart of being a good expert pruner is
knowing and to walk away knowing whento not prune and say, you know
what, I don't know what todo, so I'm just going to leave
this for this season. There's alot of knowledge you need to apply,

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but ultimately the stakes, as longas you're not taking out too much,
are pretty low. It's like asoap opera as the world urns. I'm
still trying to nail that down.Am I saying that right, Stacey war
Yeah, you are say it isa strange word, but it's a strange
growth habit for the panicle hyge rangersbecause hydrange's, as most people no,

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tend to be very strongly opposite.Yep. Most other types of hydrangs that
I have seen have not don't growinto these three leaved worlds. It's really
specifically panical hydrangs that have this uniquecharacteristic. So you know, and I
was asking Megan, our plant breederhere, if she knew why it happened.
I was asking a bunch of peoplewho here if they knew why it

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happened. And it's just just oneof those things that it just does.
So Stacey, It's what I alwayssay, there's three types of people in
this world. Those who make thingshappen, those who watch things happen,
and those who wonder what in theworld just happened? Yes, I think
I'm in the latter, so metoo. Anyway, thank you all so
much for your questions. If youhave a question as well, please don't
hesitate to reach out Gardening Simplified onair, dot com, or of course,

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you can always leave a comment onthe YouTube video and we will pess
that along and get that answered foryou. So we're going to take a
break. When we come back,we have a very very special guest,
so please stay tuned. The GardeningSimplified Show is brought to you by Proven
Winners Color Choice Shrubs. Our awardwinning flowering shrubs and evergreens have been trialed

(33:15):
and tested for your success so youenjoy more beauty and less work. Look
for Proven Winners Color Choice Shrubs andthe distinctive white container at your local garden
center. Welcome back to the GardeningSimplified Show. It's time for Branching News,
and today in Branching News, wehave the privilege of talking to Adam
Moseley. Adam's title is Breeding directorwith wyn Gen LLC. It's a plant

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breeding company just south of Austin,Texas. And I'm looking forward to this
interview because I always love talking aboutplant breeding here in the Golden Age of
plant breeding. But in addition tothat, I love talking about super Tuna
because Stacey, they're one of myfavorite plans. You know what they are

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a plant that has really just totallyupended the way people think about Petunia's absolutely
Adam, welcome to the show.Thanks for joining us, my pleasure.
Thanks for having me. Adam,give our listeners and viewers first of all,
and idea of what a breeding directordoes. Give us your vantage point
of the work that's being done inAustin, Texas as well as around the

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world in breeding these fabulous plants.Yeah, great question, Rick, So
we do plant breeding. Plant breadingis one of those things that I think
is not very consumer facing, andas a breeding director, you know,
there's a lot of different aspects thatwe have to deal with, and so
you know, my job here inAustin, Texas revolves mostly around sowing out

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speed and making selections and making thoseselections go into what we call trials or
plant trials at different propagator companies thatwe work with, and then helping to
facilitate getting that plant from from thebreeding concept into the market. That's fantastic,
and as it relates to supertunias.I guess the question that comes up.

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You know, I grow supertunias.I've worked in the garden center industry.
I know the value of a supertunia. As a matter of fact,
I was looking at Proven Winners websiteand it basically describes it as the best
petunia period and I think they're right. And I'm super excited about the Supertunia

(35:38):
Hoopla vivid orchid coming out this year. Give us an idea of the process
here as you developed new varieties ofsupertunias. Sure. Yeah, Petunias is
one of those crops that's very interesting. It's kind of a numbers game.
You know, you've got to workwith a lot of plants to find the
best petunia period and in that particularcase, refers to Supertunia visca bubble gum,

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which has been just I think abenchmark for for all petunias on the
market. If consumers have grown thatplant in the past, they know that.
You know, it's more resilient todisease, it's got better flower power,
it seems to last through the seasonmore than the typical, you know,
less expensive petunias that are maybe grownfrom seed that you can buy at

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the garden center. And I thinkthat's a big distinction between the supertunias and
you know, a lot of whatyou can find at the garden center that's
grown from seed. These are vegetativepetunias that are grown from a vegetative cutting
or a clone of that plant.And the beauty in that is that you
don't have to inbreed to get toa true to type seed. You know,

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we can say, all right,I'm going to combine this great petunia
with this other great petunia, andI'm going to make a selection from that,
and it's superior now. But ifI start to ingreed that plant down,
say I needed to be pink,I needed to be this size,
I needed to bloom in you know, March twelfth in the Midwest, because

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that's when the retail market center wantsit to be in flour for the for
the consumer bench to come and buyit. You shoul start to lose a
lot of that you know, wildspecies, bigger and and and the things
that make a petunia really resilient andgreat for a consumer. And so you
know, we make our selections andwe send that particular clone into trials.

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That's the same exact plant that we'regonna that you're gonna buy, even if
we reproduce it a million times orten million times or one hundred million times,
it's the same plant. And supertuniasare all vegetatively propagated hybrid petunia that
have superior performance. And I thinkthat's part of the special medicine that that

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makes them so great. Yeah,And and what that means, I think
for a lot of PEO people isthat no matter when or where you buy
it. Say you bought supertunia oneyear in New York and then you move
across the country to Oregon and youwant to grow supertunia again. Well,
sure there are climatic differences between that, but the plant itself is the same,
and so you can expect that niceconsistent performance. And I have to

(38:16):
wonder, well, hey, thisthis time it did great, and this
time it didn't. And that consistencyis so important in building that trust that
now I think Supertunias really has Iagree, Yeah, I feel like Suportunias
have made you know, proven Winnershas done a really good job of marketing
to the consumer. You know,brand recognition and name recognition is something that

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you know, you want to havetrust. If if I'm a consumer and
I'm going to the garden center andI've got a five hundred dollars budget and
i want to buy, you know, one hundred plants, and I want
to get some soil, and Iwant to get some fertilizer, and I
want to do my garden. Youwant to make sure that those you know,
five six seven dollars four inch containersthat you're planting are going to give
you the garden that you're expecting.You can do all these other things right.

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You don't start with good genetics.It's hard to have a good green
thumb, for sure. Now Ihave a question several several years ago,
I was in San Antonio, Texasin spring, right about this time of
year, and they were using petuniasas I think this was even probably before
supertunias were a thing. They wereusing petunias as a spring annual. Now,

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would you say that even in warmerclimates like San Antonio or Austin,
that supertunias can actually continue to bea summer annual or are they still going
to be more of a spring andfall performance kind of plant. That's a
really good question. You know,if you're a great gardener. I think
you can do well with supertunias inmost regions most of the summer. The

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thing about Texas, especially where weare here, is is all plants and
especially things like annual they need youknow, good watering, right, and
I think outside of the keat thatwe get here in the summer, we
just get really dry, and soit can be difficult to keep you know,
certain annuals that do like to drinkon a consistent basis alive through the

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summer in climates that are drier likewe are here in Texas. You know,
I know, I did a plantingof them last spring in my front
yard here in Austen and I hadsuper nas pink cashmere and super tunia.
This the bubble gum, and Iplanted them in about February twenty fifth,
maybe from a four inch container andthey look yeah, I know, right

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from the northeast in your garden ofFebruary. But we have to take advantage
of those cool nights in the spring, and you know, you hope you'll
get a really hard late freeze.But we planted those in March or at
the very beginning of March, latelate February and they lasted all the way
through July. Fourth of July.But at that point I got into water

(40:52):
restriction and I'm trying to water mygrass and trying to water my garden.
I end up with a seven hundreddollars water bill one month, and I'm
like, that's it. I'm done, you know, I gotta shut it
down. So sure, you're insome places that have better, better consistency
with moisture, you know the Carolina, you know, even North Florida,
you can you can grow them allsummer long. I mean, that's huge,

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that's a huge advancement. Absolutely.We're chatting with Adam Moseley. He
is breeding director at WinGen LLC.It's a plant breeding company just south of
Austin, Texas. Talking about supertunias. Adam, I, you know you
mentioned bubble gum. I love thatplant, the whole Supertunia Vista series,

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and I think that this is aThese are petunias that are ideal for hanging
baskets. Uh years ago in thegarden center industry, we'd put petunias and
hanging baskets and they'd get long andleggy and stretched, and we're pinching and
we're chopping. My experience with theSupertunia Vista line, bubblegum or whatever it

(41:57):
may be, is that they createthis massive ball of flowers and just keep
blooming. I think it's the idealplant for a hanging basket. Yeah,
I would agree. We definitely lookat the Vista series as well as the
many many Vista series, and andyour traditional Supertunities is being great hanging basket
plants. The Vistas I've noticed,you know, they mixed really well,

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especially with each other. They've gotthis special recipe to them. You know,
they're they're tall, you know,in the landscape. You'll find that
they'll grow to you know, twelveto eighteen inches tall off the ground,
which is atypical for a normal petunia. And they'll make almost these little,
you know hedges. So you thinkabout the branching, the superior branching that's

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there, and the flower power.Combining them with other plants that maybe aren't
quite as strong, you know,they tend to we used to say,
and trials be like, oh,it's just gonna eat that. You know,
it'll eat it by the end ofthe spring trial season and all you'll
see is bubble bump but if youmix it with Vista silverberry or this the
snow drift or this the usha,you know, then you get this really
nice combination of the three of thethree colors coming out. And that's because

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they just they've got high, bigger, they've got grape branching. Uh.
They really like to fill that container. And they don't have a bald top.
They don't like to flit when youget too much rain or wind or
these inclement weather, it'll hold itsshape and it will continue the flower.
And I think that that's your pointabout the hanging baskets. You know,
having something that you know is goingto continue the flower and not crack all

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open and look weird or you know, it's important. It's what you expect
from you when you spend the kindof money that you want to to get
the plants in the gardens. Ifyou go to proven Winners dot com.
Of course, at proven winters dotcom, there are a lot of recipes
for combining some of these supertunias.Like I saw one a blend of Supertunia

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honey and Supertunia royal velvet in combination. It's called Hypnotic post Boy. The
variety in supertunias just continues to expand. Adam, you must be working to
continue to develop more and more varieties, from raspberry rush to honey picasso in

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purple latte, A lot of interestingvarieties. Yeah. Absolutely. I mean,
we go through about four hundred familiesof petunias a season, which we
sell at least one hundred seeds ofeach one. So we're looking at about
forty thousand plants every year. Fromthose forty thousand plants, we pick out

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four hundred or so to go totrial. After we do our first internal
trial here in Texas and with ourcompany, we end up with maybe two
hundred and fifty to three hundred thatactually go in and get trialed with proven
winners. From there, they pickmaybe three to go to market. And

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so if you think about forty thousanddown to three, you know, that
plant's got to be pretty special.It's got to have you know, good
branching, it's got to be easyto produce, it's got to be you
know, the foliage has to staynice and green. The flowers need to
hold up against rainstorm, you know, preferentially. You know, it's not

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like, oh, I need tobe fertilized all the time to keep growing.
There's just so many different things thatgo into picking these plants, and
that trial process can take up totwo or three years. The breeding process
itself can take four or five years. So when you see a new plant
in market and it's something like aSupertunia honey or a supertunia that's the bubble
gum, you know that plant hassix, seven, eight years of growth

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and production trials and all the thingsthat go into making it a supertunia before
it'll ever make it for the retailmarket. And Stacey, I think that
that's important to note. I appreciatethat, Adam, because for the shopper
in a garden center or they maynot fully understand the work that went into
developing these plants. And like Imentioned Adam working with Kevin Hurd at Proven

(46:07):
Winners, or someone like yourself workingwith Stacy Adriana and the great people here
at Proven Winners Color Choice Shrubs.Stacy, there's a lot of work research
boiling down and the ultimate goal.They always have that goal in sight.
How's this plant going to perform inthe consumer's yard. Yeah, it's R

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and D. And you know it'sso funny. I've often you know,
commented to other people that people don'trealize that it's as much research and development
as goes into an iPhone or somethinglike that. It's the same kind of
level of dedication and trialing and ideation, and people just think, oh,
it's a plan. It just happened, And so it's really good to hear,
you know, that whole kind ofstory of what it takes to actually

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bring that plant to market. So, you know, I know people in
this R and D there, they'relooking for the next big thing. And
obviously supertunia vista bulgum has been aroundfor a while and people love it.
But I'm sure a lot of peopleare like me, and maybe like me,
they aren't a pink person, orthey're just wondering, Hey, what's
next? Can I grow another supertuniathat is this vigorous, that performs like

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this that I don't need to deadhead? What other colors are there? So
in your experience, you know,what are some of those other varieties,
whether they're new or have been arounda while, that people can expect that
similar performance from, but aren't visabubble gum. The breeding that it takes
to make a vista requires us touse, you know, particular plants that

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have a strong dominance for a purplepink color, and so making the performance
of a petunia do what we wantit to do. To be called a
visa, that name to us isa sacred right. We say, okay,
there's only five or six of thesethat are truly visas, and a
lot of them, that's not allof them could be said to be within

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that pink spectrum. Now you havethis the Snow Drifts, which is a
white which, honestly, if youwant a color that will combine with almost
anything else, a white is agreat color. I always used to like
making these recipes and it would belike, oh well, let's use super
being a white out, or let'suse this the snow drift or you know
super Tuni Mini Vista white, andit just brings that color. It combines

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with most other colors and gives youa really nice fresh pop of color.
And I love white because at nighttime, when I'm at home, you know,
that's when I get to enjoy mygarden. You know, something like
Royal velvet or these sueper darker colors, they don't really pop in the evening,
you know, whereas a white flowerreally seems to stand out in my
garden, so I've always been drawnto that. You know, for other

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colors of petunias, it's difficult tobreed and stay within that first or second
or third generation of hybrids and getaway from the pink and the white color.
We have this the Paradise, whichis as a as a bright,

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you know, kind of electric sortof prink color with a little bit of
sort of cherry tones in it.That one is probably the most different from
the the traditional vista colors. WhenI look at the many Vista series,
there's uh several in that that wouldgive you a different color scheme. Like
many this the violet Star is afantastic plant. Many of this the Indigo

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is an awesome, awesome plant,and that sort of lilac blue color.
Many just the scarlet is a nicered that's probably one of the best reds
that has come out of onto themarket. Maybe this the yellow is a
great color. So it seems tome when we breathe these plants, you
know, giving giving us the truebig vista style plant is that's the code

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that we're working on breaking. Rightwhen we get into the mini vistas and
we've got. Okay, I canget I can get a little bit tighter
habit, I can get a littlebit smaller flower, but I still get
the same landscape performance. I stillget the same disease resistance, the ability
to grow in multiple climates with thesame kind of performance. You know.
Then I get many of this,the scarlet many, just the yellow many,

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this the red midnight, many ofthe the indigo. You know,
all of those ones become that coloredpalette becomes much wider, and so those
are a lot of my favorite.So the mini vistas are basically they have
everything that the vistas have, butjust smaller. Just like the name says,
yeah, absolutely yeah, And honestly, like in my garden, the

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minivisas, I use them almost morethan the visas because it's like, you
know, yeah, I can haveI have a whole place for pink and
white, like I'll use this thesnow drifts quite a bit. But yeah,
if I want to use yellow orblue or something like that, the
minivisas are a great second option,you know. They just have a slightly
smaller flower and a slightly more compacthave it. But otherwise the brand,

(51:05):
the branching, the color, coverage, the bigger you know, all of
that stuff is very similar to theto the traditional distoce. That's really good
to know. Yeah, I actuallydid know that, So I will definitely
be looking at those because you know, those of us who maybe aren't quite
a pink person or doesn't go withour house color or our container colors,
you know, we want that performance, but just a couple more options.
I yeah, absolutely, I getexcited every spring to plant the supertunia vistas,

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and I wanted to mention for ourlisteners and our viewers and mentioned to
you, Adam that I love combiningthem with something that has a little height,
So I like to I think they'rethe perfect combination with a two can
cannas, truffle of pink, Gamprinasun credible sunflowers, the rock and salvias,

(51:50):
or the meteor shower of Verbinas.Any of those really make good partners
with supertunias. You have a blastof color by July and August here in
the North. Yeah, definitely,I totally agree. You know, we
used to learn in school, whatwas that you have your thriller, your
filler and your spiller, right,and so you know, you know,
having having these recipes that proven Wintershas developed in your wheelhouse and having those

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plants available at the garden center.You know, that's another big tricky privately,
Oh well, I want to plantthis recipe, You've got to be
able to buy them, right,And that's why I proven winters dot Com
is a really good resource for folksthat are looking for very specific varieties.
But yeah, those those plants workreally well together. You know. It's
the biggest thing about making a goodrecipe is are they all similar watering requirements?

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Are they all similar fertilizer requirements?Is one plant can they eat another
plant by halfway through the season?Or is it powerful enough to keep past
it? And you know, whatdo I what do I want out of
it? Do I want? Isa particular color scheme that I'm looking for?
Or is it I'm trying to,you know, give some structure to
the side of my front door,or I wants this hanging basket to spill

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and trail down the side of mymy patio or something like this. You
know those are it's anybody's it's aplayground, and I think they do a
really good job. I used torun the R and D department at Pleasant
View Gardens, and there's a womanman named Jessica Tatro, and she just
does a fantastic job building and designingthese recipes and trialing them, you know.

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And I think it comes down tothat at the end of the day,
when when you find a recipe inthe proven Winner's handbook or on the
proven Winner's website, you know,you can be sure that those three plants,
those three plants have been grown togetherso many times that we know that
that's gonna work, you know,and it's going to keep the color on
it, it's going to you know, it's going to work. And I

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think it can be really tempting forfolks to go to the to the garden
center and be like, I'm goingto take this, you know, this
pogonia, and I'm going to takethis petunia, and I'm going to take
you know, this other plant andplant them together. But the begonia doesn't
like a ton of fertilizer and heneeds full suns, but the bigonia needs
a little bit of shade, andyou know, and so you just get
into this scenario. It's like,well, why my begonia die with my

(54:07):
petunia's great let's sig Overridge puts thebasket right, and so that's why the
recipes on the proven Winners dot Comsite are so valuable. Adam, As
we wind up here, what areyou as as a creator of supertunias?
What are your must know tips forsomeone who is maybe growing supertunious for the
first time or wants to make surethat they are getting the most from the

(54:29):
plants that they buy. Sure,good question. Okay, So vistas and
many vistas will work fantastic in theground or a container. A lot of
the supertunias. There's a few exceptions, but most of the supertunias are going
to prefer to be in a containerversus being in the landscape. That's kind
of tip number one. Number twois bed preps. You know, get

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in there, get the weeds out. If you've got hard packed soil,
kill it up. You got to. You got to create some air pockets,
create some drainage in that soil.You know. I like the backfill
here in Texas with chocolate loam,you know. So if I'm building a
new bag, we'll cut all thegrass out, We'll get rid of all
the weeds, We'll pill it upa little bit, We'll add in three
or four inches of chocolate loam.We'll pill that in Bedprep is so important

(55:15):
for getting the plant established and beingable to grow out from there. As
a home gardener, I don't fertilizea lot what I do for fertilizer.
I really like slow release fertilizer.I don't have the time to always mix
up liquid feed at home. Nowin the greenhouse with research growing producers,
yes, we're going to use liquidfeed pretty constantly. And if you're a

(55:38):
home gardener and you can give itan extra shot of liquid feed every couple
of weeks, it's not going tohurt it. It's only going to help
it. Follow the label directions andgo for it. But if you put
out at a high rate, somethinglike you know, proven Winter slow release
or any slow release fertilizer three tosix month release something like this, the

(55:59):
general US, you know, goat the high label rate. Put that
down. If you're like me,you don't water frequently, you go through
and put a soaker hose in somethinglike that. That's what we used here
in the gardens in Texas. Youknow, just put wind a soaker hose
kind of around, not not perfect, but through the bed somewhere where I
want it to irrigate and then coverit with mulch. Try and hold that

(56:22):
moisture around the root zone, youknow, for us about two three months
after we do that. So we'lldo that all at end of February,
beginning of March, plant the gardenand then just you know, set it
to irrigate for thirty minutes every otherday something like that, you know,
and let it run, let itrun, do it things. It rains

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and rains, you know, sobe it. Put the water on there
anyway. And then around the fourthof July we come back and we top
dressed with more slow release. That'sthat's the best way to do it in
a container garden situation. You know. We did a lot of trials with
different types of fertilizers when I wasat Pleasantviy Gardens in New Hampshire, and

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we found that liquid seed like ifyou take that grande and you plant that
grande into a larger container, andwe would take three grandees of Visa bubble
Gum or many of our other provenWinner's annuals, put them into a five
gallon container and top dress with thehigh rates of slower release. Fertilizer.
We compare that to liquid feeding onehundred, one hundred and fifty parts per

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millium every watering. You know,six weeks later, those plants were very
comparable, very comparable. Eight weekslater, ten weeks later, twelve weeks
later. You know, you're startingto see a little bit better performance out
out of the liquid seed than theslow release. But it was fully acceptible.
So as a general rule of thumb, I'm a I'm a slow release

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fertilizer kind of person, Like Iwant to set it and forget it in
some way as long as I canirrigate well, which I think is you
know, as much as you canhope for out of most gardeners is just
give it water when it's dry.That's what you should be able to do
and be successful. And if youcombine proven leaders genetics, slow release fertilizer,
piece of bed prep or container prep, and just you know, irrigation

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on a basis that is acceptable foryou, you're going to have success.
Can't beat that. I mean,that's what summer is all about, is
doing the work at the beginning ofthe season and then letting he reap all
the rewards for the rest of itso well said. His name is Adam
Moseley and he is breeding director withwyn Gen LLC, a plant breeding company

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just south of Austin, Texas,and we've talked about Vista Super Tunas.
I can't wait for spring to start. Adam, thanks for your time today,
your enthusiasm, your work, andlooking forward to spring twenty twenty four.
Absolutely y'all have a great spring upthere. Thanks Adam, Thanks Adam,

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well, that was great. Iam ready to go annual shopping all
the way. No, it's abit too early, still, I cannot
wait. So we want to thankAdam Mosley for his time talking to us
about suprtunias. Thank you Rick,thank you Adriana, and of course thanks
to all of you for listening.We hope you have a wonderful week ahead.