June 28, 2025 • 38 mins
A look back at the Guardians walk off win against the Blue Jays at Progressive Field this week. Plus, talking pitching with starters Logan Allen and Slade Cecconi, as well as assistant pitching coach Joe Torres. Also, former Indian and Guardian Ernie Clement stops by to talk about his days in Cleveland. That's all on this edition of Guardians Weekly with Jim Rosenhaus on the Cleveland Guardians Radio Network.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:58):
Hi, everyone, welcome to Guardian's Weekly. Jim Rosen House along
with you from Progressive Field in downtown Cleveland, where the
Guardians are taking on the Saint Louis Cardinals this weekend.
A four to ten start on Saturday and a noon
start on Sunday afternoons, so be sure to make a
note of that if you're planning on coming down Sunday.
Actually a twelve oh five first pitch for you on
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Sunday to close out the home stand. Good show line
up for you. Today we will hear from Joe Torres,
the Guardian's assistant pitching coach, on a variety of topics.
Also a fun at the ballpark with Senior Vice President
Bob di Biassio and Rick Sutcliffe. You don't want to
miss this one. Logan Allen Slade, Seconi and Ernie Clement
will also stop by. Two of the guardians starting pitchers
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and a former Cleveland player who's now enjoying a fine
season with the Blue Jays. Ernie Clement. But first our
weekend review and it hasn't been an easy week for
the Guardians. Tuesday at ten to six loss to the
Blue Jays to open that series, and then on Wednesday,
a thriller in Day on Town Cleveland. The Guardians jumped
in front in the first inning, a lead off walk
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to Stephen Kuan. He stole second and Jose Ramirez delivered
down the.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
Pinch, ripped into right. That's a mason near the line
that'll score Kwan.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Big turn.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Jose holds throwback to first, skips away from Guerrero, goes
to the Blue Jay dugout. Ramirez after diving in, gets up,
goes to second. One nothing, Cleveland, and that'll be an
RBI single for Jose Ramirez and he'll go to second
on what will be a throwing air by Andre Simenez.
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Toronto tied the game with a solo home run in
the top half of the fourth from vlad Guerrero Junior.
But in the bottom of the inning, two men on,
Gabrielarius came to the plate. Here's the pitch swung on
and that's drilled right center field and.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
It splits the gap. One hop pup against the wall
and right center. One run is in that steam and
Jones motoring home. Here's the relay.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
He slides, He's safe. Close play at the plate, Jones
made it.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
It's a two run double from Godrie Larius and the Guardians.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
They're back in front. It's now three to one. The
Blue Jays answered with three runs in the top half
of the sixth to take their first lead on the
day for three Blue Jays, but the Guardians again responded
in the bottom of the inning with Lane Thomas leading
things off.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Lane Thomas won for two of the single, awaits the
two to zero and he drives.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Into deep left down the line, go on to the porch.
Second night, Naro, Lane Thomas finds the home run porch
in left and we're back to even at four oh
on a sight in back to back games to see
Lane Thomas have back to back home runs, have four
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hints and four army eyes.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
It stayed tied at four through the ninth and onto
extra innings. The game went. In the top half of
the tenth, Nick Enright, out of the bullpen, tried to
keep the J's off the scoreboard.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
En Right fires swung on ground into third. Ramirez clubs
y'all have to hurry.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
The thrown by a whisker.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
We may have a challenge. It was bang bang. What
will the Blue Jays do? They do not challenge it. Wow,
was that close. We go to the bottom of the
tenth still tied at.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Four by great work by en Right. Then in the
bottom of the tenth Bownailor was the runner starting at
second base. Stephen Kuan was walked intentionally. David Fry singled
a bunt basit that loaded the bases with nobody out
for Jose Ramirez. The pinch and.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
Ramirez swings and lines of tent hesht ball game.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Jose Ramirez laces.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
One down the left field line, scoring on the hil
Martinez with a game winner, and Toronto had no choice.
They had to pinch to Ramirez when the bases loaded.
They get their walk off win number four and they
knocked off the Jays five to four in tenanties and.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
That was the high point for the Guardians. They have
not scored since as they were shut out six nothing
by the Blue Jays Thursday afternoon and five nothing Friday
night by the Cardinals. And Sonny Gray. Stay with us,
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Speaker 2 (06:35):
Welcome back to Guardians Weekly. Jim rosenhouse along with you
this weekend as we join you from Progressive Field in
downtown Cleveland. The starting rotation has been a real bright
spot for the Guardians, including Logan Allen. He has strung
together some really good starts of late, and recently we
caught up with him and he talked about some of
the keys to pitching deeper into games. As we have
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seen during this recent stretch is.
Speaker 6 (07:00):
You know, having a good game plan going into the
games with the with the catchers being on the same page,
and then you know, trusting my stuff, trusting the defense,
just trying to go out there and attack guys. You know,
like I always trying to say, it's hard to hit.
Remember that it's hard to hit, and just go right
after you guys, let the defense work.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
And you had a unique situation where you did have
to go to the bullpen for I think the first
time in your major league career.
Speaker 7 (07:20):
And.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
It went well from the standpoint of you got to win.
You had a one two, three inning. What was that
like for you to experience in the pen maybe even
before you came into the game.
Speaker 8 (07:32):
It was different.
Speaker 6 (07:32):
This was kind of cool getting to see, like what
that environment is like down there. I feel like the
bullpen's kind of its own little team within the team,
So it was cool to kind of, you know, see
how those guys operate on a day to day basis
a little bit different, you know, not really knowing when
the warm up and all that kind of stuff. But
you know, they they accepted the open arms. They helped
me out, you know, getting ready and kind of walk
me through it.
Speaker 8 (07:53):
So they're awesome. So it was a lot of fun.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
You say they accepted you with open arms, did they
really make it part of the group.
Speaker 6 (08:00):
Feel like I was kind of part of the group
for a little bit. I got a little bit of
craft today, So maybe not not as much as I think,
but I feel like a little bit.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
And you get a win only getting three outs? Was
that kind of nice because I know as a starter
sometimes you can throw it really well for a long
time and then not gonna.
Speaker 6 (08:15):
Win wins get a lot of flack and today's game,
but I feel like, you know, they're hard to come by,
so I'll take them anyway you can get them. Yeah,
probably the at least amount of pitches I'll ever throw
in my career to get a win. Hopefully, so we'll
see Logan Allen's joining us. And I'm not sure how
many people know, but you were a really good hitter
position player in college in addition to it to being
a obviously a top shelf pitcher to get drafted, but
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maybe that came into play in San Francisco. You fielded
a pop up off to the side.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Of the mound. Pictures don't do that very often, and
how did you play that and why were you the
only option to make that play.
Speaker 6 (08:49):
I think I just got lucky with the way that
he hit it. That he hit it, you know, low
enough for me to catch it. I think for the
most part, once it gets up above a certain height,
it gets a little tough for us, you know, especially
a lot of times it'll drift back on you. But yeah,
I mean I always like to feel confident. I mean,
we come out here in Shagby p every day. I
feel pretty confident in catching a fly ball if I
need to. So yeah, it felt nice to get one.
And yeah, at like I said, we don't really get
a lot of those. I think it's probably the first
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one I got in my pro career and the five
six years I've played.
Speaker 8 (09:13):
So it was pretty cool.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
And I feel like anyone on this team wants to
be like Jose Ramirez, and you did a Jose Ramirez
replica after that would explain what happened there and what's
going on.
Speaker 6 (09:24):
Yeah, every time was the catch the fly ball, he
gets a little two hands up celebrations, So I thought
it was fitting that I caught myself one and I
do it. He ran by me and he kind of
gave me the two little celebrations, so I was like, oh, okay,
it's a good time to do it.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Your last start. It came in San Francisco, a road
game in a National League park, which used to mean
pitchers hit, but no more. Were you disappointed?
Speaker 6 (09:47):
Well, they took that away. I guess I knew it
wasn't good, but yeah, it was pretty cool.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
I think I've always had.
Speaker 6 (09:52):
That in the back of my head that I'd have
that opportunity, you know, if I ever got to the
big least quick enough. But unfortunately change the rules before
I had that opportunity. But yes, I would have been
really cool to hit, especially hit off justin Berlander. That
would have been a cool couple of bets to get right.
But no, I guess it's right for the best. So
we got a lot of good guys, like in the
DH spot that kind of kind of slug for us.
That's probably better off that I'm right in there.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Look it up, folks. He had some good numbers in college.
Logan Allen thanks Loft for coming by. I think thank you,
Rosie appreciate it. AT's guardian starting pitcher. Logan Allen also
performing very well in that starting rotation is Slate Seconi.
He'll face the Cardinals on Saturday, the four to ten game,
and he's coming off a great start against the Athletics
and has been more and more consistent with each passing start.
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He talked about that consistency and says he likes the
direction his game is going as we get deeper into
the season.
Speaker 7 (10:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (10:41):
I think consistency is one of the biggest keys in pitching,
not just in results, but in consistency in your process,
the way you work, the way you go about your business.
If you do things over and over again the same way,
it's going to be much easier when you take them
ound to replicate it.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
I know when you were at the diamond or some
stints in the bullpen as well as starting, has it
made a difference knowing that you're a starting pitcher here
and that that's your role and you can prepare properly
for that.
Speaker 8 (11:10):
Yeah, I think that helps.
Speaker 9 (11:12):
Being able to be on the same five or six
day schedule every week, knowing you're going to take the
ball and get somewhere between eighty and you know, eighty
plus pitches. For my situation, eighty plus pitches every fifth
or sixth day gives you clarity on every day what
you're doing to get ready for that.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Are you doing anything much differently from your first two
years in the major leagues or is it just that
you've got some experience under your belt and you're a
year older and so things should smooth out a little bit.
Speaker 9 (11:42):
Yes and yes, yes to both those answers. Yes, the
coming of age and having more experience definitely plays a
factor in slowing the game down a little bit, allowing you.
Speaker 8 (11:53):
To be a little bit more comfortable out there.
Speaker 9 (11:55):
But we have done a lot of work on implementing
the sinker, the cutter, more curveball usage into the repertoire
to keep hitters off of just my four team slider mix,
because those are obviously the two pitches that I previously
had leaned on far and away the most, and I
still want to be able to lean on those two pitches,
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but using some of the other pitches that compliment them
to open up space to use him has been a
big factor in the success this year. It's gonna sound
like a beating on a same drum every time, but
consistency of doing the same thing every week in terms
of the work and the process because if you find
out what works for you and you can just continue
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to replicate it over and over again, it's going to
be a lot easier out there to be in the
right head space and do your job.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
He had a chance to watch Shane Bieber, so you
can give us a bird's eye view an update on
how he's doing there. He went through a bullpen as
he continues to make his way back. How did he look.
Speaker 9 (12:56):
I don't know if he missed a spot. He threw
twenty something pitches. I saw him throw one curveball a
little bit in front of where he wanted to. But man,
it's it's fun to watch a guy who's that consistent
in that precise with what he does do his thing.
It gives you something to really strive for because every
time you think you know you may have something figured out,
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or you might feel pretty good about yourself, you watch
you watch somebody that's better than you realize you still
got a lot of work to do to get to
where you want to go.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
Oh, he surely is one of the best. Hey, well,
change gears for our last question. You're new to town. Yes,
you are a kindoiseur. I'm guessing Italian restaurants and tell
us about the food scene in Cleveland. This have been
impressive for you.
Speaker 9 (13:38):
It has so, I've I've made my way over to
Little Italy a few times. I've enjoyed a lot of
the restaurants that I've been over there. I would say
my favorite so far that I've been to I've been
to twice now is Vlarios really really good traditional Italian food.
Speaker 7 (13:57):
Love it.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
I was surprised to you who maybe based on what
you thought Cleveland was a little bit.
Speaker 9 (14:04):
I would say the weather has been a little bit
different than I had heard that, you know, a little
gloomy sometimes, but there have been a lot of really
nice days suns out, feels like I'm back in Florida
with the humidity, which feels like home to me.
Speaker 8 (14:20):
I love it. It's good pitching weather.
Speaker 9 (14:22):
You don't have to throw as much to get loose,
so I'm really enjoying it.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
Awesome play. Thanks a lot for coming by. I appreciate
it absolutely. That's Lade Seconi, the starting pitcher for the
Guardians in Saturday's game against the Cardinals. Earlier this week,
the Blue Jays were in town, and that meant a
visit from Ernie Clement, the former Cleveland Indian and Guardian.
Clement has been in the top ten in the American
League in batting for a good portion of this season,
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with that average well up over three hundred most of
the year. And we'll get to his Cleveland days in
a moment, but first he talked about what's led to
his success now hitting in the middle of a dangerous
Blue Jay's light up.
Speaker 10 (15:01):
Yeah, I think when you get normal at bats, you
can kind of get into a groove, and you know,
I'm fortunate enough to be getting a really good opportunity
over here, like I said, so I'm just kind of
trying to run with it.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
You look at the Blue Jays and it seems like
a team that could take off at any moment. They've
had some good stretches and and what do you see
here that's exciting as you get deeper into the season.
Speaker 10 (15:22):
Yeah, I mean we have we have really strong pitching.
I think anytime you have really good starting pitching, you're
going to be in a lot of a lot of
baseball games and you're gonna have a chance to win. So,
you know, our offense is really really starting to click,
and we're starting to put some runs up, So I
think that's going to really compliment each other. And I
really do think we're a dangerous team.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
Good mix of veterans and young guys.
Speaker 10 (15:42):
Yeah, yeah, and I think that's really important too. We
have we have great leadership with the veterans and then
we have some some hungry young guys who are who
are you know, really really talented and you know, I
kind of I kind of fall right in the middle
of that.
Speaker 8 (15:53):
So I'm excited.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
And a lot of familiar names and faces for Cleveland fans.
And what's it like being on the same team, either
again or for the first time with guys like Miles
Straw and Racily Mentz and others.
Speaker 10 (16:04):
Yeah, I mean, these guys are awesome, and you know,
it was so fun playing with them the first time around,
and then as soon as we got them this offseason,
it was it was really exciting. And uh, you know,
they're they're they're playing good ball, man, They're they're helping
us win, and uh, you know, it's it's it's cool
to be back in Cleveland, for sure.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Former Cleveland Indian Ernie Clement is joining us. And memories
of your time growing up in this organization, what stands
out to you.
Speaker 10 (16:26):
Just the people that are here in the organization have
all positive things to say.
Speaker 8 (16:30):
I absolutely love my time here.
Speaker 10 (16:32):
You know, obviously I wish I could have could have
helped the team and played a little better, but you know,
I just I have no regrets. And I absolutely loved
everybody I played with and and got to play for.
And you know, staff and players were all just awesome.
So it's it's always cool coming back, and uh, it
holds a special place in my heart for sure.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
And when you look at your path, you had a
couple of situations where you had to impress a new
team and how did that make you a stronger player?
You think down the road.
Speaker 10 (16:59):
Yeah, you really learn, you know, every stop you make
you learn something new. And my time in Cleveland was
was really special. And then you know, I got an opportunity,
a brief opportunity in Oakland, and then you know I
found my way here. So uh, you know, like I said,
you learned something new along the way at each stop.
But you know, I'm fortunate to have gotten another opportunity.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Brief time in Oakland. And you had a moment with
current Cleveland manager Steven Vote tell us about that on
one of the big days for his career.
Speaker 10 (17:30):
Yeah, it's one of the coolest baseball moments I've seen,
and I'm lucky I got to be there in person
to watch it. He hit a home run and his
his final career at bad and in the exact same
spot where he hit his his first.
Speaker 8 (17:40):
Career home run.
Speaker 10 (17:41):
So I was on deck and I didn't really you know,
I'd only been with those guys for a little while,
so you know, I didn't really know him too well.
But you know, I couldn't help but just give him
a big hug when he when he crossed the home
play because I just knew it was. It was such
a cool moment for him, and you know, the brief
time I got to spend with him, he's a special
person and he's he's really good for the game at baseball.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Are any great stuff? Great to see it again, Thank.
Speaker 8 (18:02):
You, yes, sir, good to see it.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Always fun to catch up with Ernie Clement, one of
the good guys in the game, and nice to see
him having some big time success with the Blue Jays.
Stay with us when we come back. We'll hear from
Joe Torres, the Guardian's assistant pitching coach, that's next on
the Cleveland Clinic Guardians Radio Network. Jim Rosanown's back with
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you from Progressive Field in downtown Cleveland where the Guardians
are taking on the Cardinals this weekend. Wrapping up the
homestand Joe Torres is one of the guardians assistant pitching
coaches along with Brad Goldberg. They both do a great
job supporting Carl Willis, the Guardians pitching coach, and the
starting rotation has been really impressive for some time now
getting better as the season goes along, and Torres talked
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about some of the keys just stringing together quality starts.
Speaker 11 (19:02):
You're right, things have gotten better, you know as a
season gotte along here. But you know a lot of
it's credits to the players and just the processes and
behind the scenes work that they're doing. You know, where's
a lot of communication going on, you know, post meetings,
reviewing the games, going with purposes and intent into the
bullpens and then translating that into the games. And we're
seeing that happen more and more often. Guys are just
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working really, really hard. But you know we also have
to remember, like these guys, a lot of them, it's
like really their first full season as a starter with
that's Ortiz.
Speaker 8 (19:31):
And Gavin Slade.
Speaker 11 (19:33):
So you know, these guys are really just learning the
demands of like a turn you know, every five days,
every six days, what they need to do to prepare themselves.
Speaker 8 (19:40):
And it seems like they're getting a better routine doing that.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
You mentioned that that post start meeting, it usually comes
to the next day or or if there's an off day,
a couple of days later. And so for instance, the
slate Saconio had a really good one on Sunday. What
are some of the things you touch on with him
after a really good start.
Speaker 8 (19:56):
Like that, Well, I mean we use that meeting.
Speaker 11 (19:59):
It's a good opportunit for the player to kind of
flush and bring out, you know, any thoughts and feelings
they had from the game, good, bad and different, right,
so they can go ahead and just you know, go
ahead and share with us, like what they were thinking,
what they were feeling, and then it gives us an
opportunity also be able to you know, offer some feedback
throughout the game. So you know, for a slave, for instance,
I mean very efficient, getting a chance to use all
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his pitches. He's he's added a few pitches this year
and little by little we're starting to see that mix
go into the games. But really just he was really
happy about the way pitch with the lead right, which
can be different right when you're pitching with the lead
or you're pitching behind. And and he did such a
great job and worked well with Hegy, and you know,
we just take those those opportunities to talk about, you know, sequences, delivery,
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anything we can to pull out the game.
Speaker 8 (20:42):
That we can use to go into the next bullpen.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Used to be a starting pitcher, and there's a guy
floating around here on the home stands mainly Corey Klueber.
You could count on two hundred plus innings. That was important.
It's probably still important, but it seems like the game
is changing a little bit. And how do you manage
as we get deeper into it now past the halfway
point workload? And and is that two hundred inning mark
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Is that all that important anymore? Is it more maybe
how you're getting to a certain level of innings.
Speaker 11 (21:13):
Yeah, it's it's hard to say like importance. If you
ask me, it's important. I'm sure players feel like it's important,
but we probably see that that number more around one
eighty now across the league, especially, like you know, the
way way things are seeing with the third time through
tend to get some relievers in there. The games has
changed a little bit, and that's fine because you know,
look at our bullpen right, Like, who wouldn't want those
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guys in the game, right And I feel like a
lot of teams probably feel similar. So you know, really
about these guys just going out there and just getting
us as deep as they can.
Speaker 8 (21:42):
They've done a tremendous job.
Speaker 11 (21:43):
I mean, our pitch counts, you know, up there with
the league leaders in terms of our starters, you know,
going deep into games.
Speaker 8 (21:49):
So it's it's been great. But you know, you got
you gotta give a lot of.
Speaker 11 (21:52):
Credit to SNC and medical, to the routines that they're
putting on these guys to help them, you know, work
through the five days in between, the four days in
between to prepare their bodies.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Joined by Joe Torres, the Guardian's assistant pitching coach, switching
to the bullpen. It's a group that had an unbelievable
year a year ago, and I thought it was interesting
we're talking earlier just about how no matter what, the
personnel is going to change from year to year. But
you do have four guys who are backing up a
really good season a year ago with more of the
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same this year. And what are you seeing from those
pitchers who work the seventy plus appearances a year ago
in terms of how they're handling that from a year
ago into this season.
Speaker 8 (22:35):
Truly have been very, very impressed by them.
Speaker 11 (22:37):
I mean, to handle seventy games in a season, I
mean it takes a toll in the body, especially someone
maybe like for kid who jumped from you know, thirty
five forty appearances a year before in the minor leagues, right,
and you see them coming back around again. Give credits
s and c medical helping these guys, you know, with
their bodies and their recovery.
Speaker 8 (22:57):
But you know they're they're learning, right, they're learning.
Speaker 11 (22:59):
How to how to back off their workloads and catch
play a little bit more, you know, touch them out.
Speaker 8 (23:03):
A little bit less.
Speaker 11 (23:05):
You know, their their routines before the outing, let you know,
bringing those pitch counts down a little bit in the bullpen.
Speaker 8 (23:11):
All those things matter.
Speaker 11 (23:11):
Every throw matters for these guys, and they're doing a
tremendous job with that right now.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
And most of them you've worked with for several years
a couple of new pitchers. Just as an example, Matt
Fester joined the team after the season began. Kobe Allard
was in spring training but new to the organization. How
impressed have you been with what they've been able to
do in a short period of time to get acclimated
to what Cleveland likes to do with their pitching.
Speaker 8 (23:36):
Yeah, I mean that's a good point.
Speaker 11 (23:37):
I mean them coming into a new situation, especially Festa
kind of jumped in middle season here as we claim
them from uh, you know, from the minor leagues.
Speaker 8 (23:45):
We had it out there. They've been tremendous. I mean
they've come in.
Speaker 11 (23:48):
What's been great about them is they've come in they've
been themselves and we've tried to support that as much
as possible. You know, don't come in here and try
to be more than who you are. And then little
by little we can, you know, help them grow in
any way that they feel like they need to or
if we see fit. But uh, you know, they've been great,
and the number one thing they've done is they thrown shrikes.
They've come in right away thrown shrikes and that's helped
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a lot when at times where we need maybe some
length from Colby or a situation where you know, Matt
comes in and punch his guy out in three or
four pitches.
Speaker 8 (24:17):
Like, it's been pretty impressive and it's been great to have.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
Him and the guy at the end of games. A
manual class A a year for the ages a year ago. Uh,
what are you seeing from him this year? As the
numbers look a little bit different, but maybe the numbers
that we don't see that that say, hey, he's still
as dominant as they come.
Speaker 11 (24:34):
Oh yeah, absolutely, I mean still you can look up
every night it's still nine to nine to one hundred, right.
So you know, early in the season and he was
dealing with a little bit of shoulder, you know, fatigue,
and then and he was able to kind of get
through that and and once we got to April, kind
of look at the month of May and I'm not
sure if you get up a run. He might have
given up one run in May and been pretty solid.
So it's like, you know, to expect what do you had?
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What you saw last year from anybody would be kind
of crazy, but it's on amost like we come to
expect that from him because he's almost superhuman.
Speaker 8 (25:02):
In some ways from the year to year.
Speaker 11 (25:04):
The amount of appearances that he's put out there and
the numbers he's put out there, he's super impressive. And
once again, like you know, he's going to continue to
work and find ways to get better, and that's what
he's doing this year.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
Joe as always thanks for the time.
Speaker 8 (25:16):
Appreciate it. Yeah, sure things, appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
That's Joe Torres, the Guardian's assistant pitching coach, and always
thank him for his time. Some good thoughts on what's
been happening, both in the starting rotation and the bullpen.
Stay with us. We'll have our final segment of Guardians
Weekly after this time out the Cleveland Clinic Guardians Radio Network.
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Welcome back to Guardians Weekly, Jim rosen House along with
you from Progressive Field in downtown Cleveland, and every now
and again we like to catch up with Guardian's Senior
Vice President Bob D Biassio and see who he has
caught up with in another edition of At the Ballpark
with Bobby D. This time around it's Cy Young Award
winner Rick Suckcliffe.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
The perfectly manicured field, the unmistakable aroma of a ballpark
hot dog, and the electricity celebrating another victory.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
This is at the Ballpark with Bobby D.
Speaker 13 (26:58):
Thank you, Hammy, Well them to at the Ballpark, where
we hope you enjoy our conversations with those involved in
the great game of baseball. Those who may have been
behind the scenes are the colorful personalities who have provided
so many exciting moments and memories. Today we are joined
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by one of my all time favorites, a former number
one draft pick.
Speaker 14 (27:24):
With the Los Angeles Dodgers, a.
Speaker 13 (27:26):
Three time All Star Cy Young Award winner and a
Roberto Clemente Award winner.
Speaker 14 (27:33):
Mister Rick Sudcliffe sut thank you for taking the time
to be with.
Speaker 7 (27:37):
Us, Bobby. There's not enough time in today for me
to catch up with you on all the great things.
And I mean seriously, just hearing your voice it takes
me back to how much we love Cleveland. What a
beautiful city it was. Our daughter was born when I
was playing for the Indians. Bobby, when when I hear
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your voice, I literally think of Jimmy Warfield. I think
of Dave Garcia, I think of Mike Cargo. We'b Blilevi
and Andre Thornton. Right now I'm thanking to Joe Charbonneau
and how crazy he was. That clubhouse in nineteen eighty
two was a lot like the clubhouse in the movie
Major League. And Bobby, you know it well.
Speaker 13 (28:17):
Yes and day you're too kind and we've stayed friends
all this time, and you were in Cleveland just two
years and a half. Some memorable moments and we'll get
to that in a little bit, but we might as
well start at the beginning. You're a number one draft pick,
of the Dodgers in nineteen seventy four, twenty first overall
out of high school and Independence, Missouri. Share that experience
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with us.
Speaker 7 (28:43):
You know, the story that comes to mind, Bobby is
I thought the worst day of my life. I'm eleven
years old and my dad leaves our family. My dad
did not like sports, so we didn't play. And it
turns out that we were put up for adoption. My
brother and sister and I and my grandpa on my
mind said no, that's not going to happen. He took
us in. He came out of retirement, he went back
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to work. He loved sports. He had my mom and
my aunt. You know, he didn't have a boy to raise,
so all of a sudden, now he's got two of them.
And he told me one rule, he said, the one thing.
You can play all the sports you want, but you
got to get good grades. Well, Bobby, you talk about
me being the number one pick. My freshman year in
high school, came home with a bad report card. My
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grandpa didn't let me play in the championship game and
we lost. And there's not a doubt in my mind
we would have won if I could have played. But
he taught me a lesson. So fast forward to as
you mentioned, I was the number one pick by the Dodgers, Bobby.
They come to our house, you know, they offered me
a bonus, and they offered me my education and my
brother's education and sell that. And I asked him, I said,
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to everybody in the country, why was I your number
one pick? And they go, that's a great question, Rick.
The reason you scouted out like a lot of other people.
But the reason you stood out was because of your
grade point average. And I'm like, well, why does that matter?
And I said, what if I if I love baseball
but I hate math. They go, we don't know, Bobby.
The only scenario they had to compare me as a
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player getting better by listening to a coach was me
as a student. And whether I listened to my teacher
or not. Go back to the day my grandpa made
me miss that football game. It wouldn't have happened without
him being firm about it. And I ended up with
a great, great point average, and I wasn't going to
play baseball in college. I wanted to play football, and
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that great point average kind of took me away from
my dream of playing football, and end of the career
that I should have been in all along.
Speaker 13 (30:36):
Well, you're a six seven, six eight two fifteen to twenty five.
Speaker 14 (30:40):
What position did you play in football?
Speaker 7 (30:43):
Well, you know, like everybody else back in the day,
I never left the field. I was a quarterback. That's
what I got recruited at. I was able, mentioned All
American blah blah blah, got recruited all around the country. Oh,
I could throw it, but hey, we weren't going to
run the wishbone.
Speaker 14 (30:59):
You know that, I love it.
Speaker 13 (31:02):
You're drafted in junea seventy four, and quickly you're in
the big leagues in nineteen seventy six, and you pitch
one game in a September or five innings only what
two hits, no runs allowed?
Speaker 7 (31:18):
Bobby. The funny part about that story was I get
called up in September from Double A. I go from
you know, maybe two hundred people on a Friday night
in Waterbury, Connecticut, to Dodger Stadium and Walter Austin retired
with four games to go in the season nineteen seventy six.
He told Tommy, you're running the team. But the only
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thing I'm telling you is I want the kid to
be the starting pitcher. So Bobby, I'm the starting pitcher.
I had probably ten complete games in Double A. I mean,
that's what we did. Sandy Kofax taught me that a
quality start was at the end of the game, when
you shoot the catcher's hand. I mean, that's what it's
all about. Well, here we are, you said, I only
went five inning, nothing and nothing. Bottom of the fifth
(32:00):
man on third, one out, I walked the home plate
to hit. All of a sudden, I hear the crowd
yelling everything. The youmpire says, hey, your manager wants you.
I turned around. Losorda is waving me back, and he goes,
we're gonna pitch it for you, Bobby. I looked at him.
I said, you gotta be me. I had just seart
twenty years old. I spent the next oh. I spent
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the next hour after the game in Lasorda's office, just
getting aired out about it. But that's the reason I
only went five innings that night.
Speaker 14 (32:31):
Oh my, I.
Speaker 13 (32:32):
Love it so Oddly, you don't get called back up
to the Biggs in seventy seven, and you only pitch
one and two thirds innings or so in seventy eight,
so you're not in the big leagues. In seventy seven,
you pitch it an inning in two thirds and seventy eight,
and then you go in seventy nine and you pitch
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two hundred forty three innings. About that big league it's
like when you look at those kinds the numbers, and
think you go from one and two thirds at as
to two hundred and forty three at as.
Speaker 14 (33:06):
You win Rookie of the Year, you have thirty nine games,
thirty starts. It's amazing.
Speaker 7 (33:13):
Yeah, I tell you I got hurt opening Day in
nineteen seventy seven in Triple A. About a week later
they sent me to see Frank Job and he told
me I had a torn rotator cut. I was gonna
have surgery the next day. My longtime agent and great friend,
you know, you knew very action rod Well. We lost
him a year ago. He was there representing another kid
and as we came out, he says, how are you
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getting back to the hotel? I said, I'm waiting on
a cab. He goes, I'll drive you back. He worked
in the athletic department at UCLA. He said, nobody's ever
come back from that surgery. He says, I've did some
research on it. He goes, you can probably go back
and play college football or basketball. I go, what do
you tell me? He goes, If I were you, I
wouldn't have that surgery.
Speaker 14 (33:52):
Wow.
Speaker 7 (33:52):
The other kid that he was there representing had the
surgery never played again. I didn't get it done. The
Dodgers were livid. They were mad at me. I barely
pitched it all. In seventy seven, I get the spring training.
I got to pitch well to make the Triple A staff,
but we end up winning the championship that year. I
got called up, as you said, for an inning or
so at the end of it. I had to make
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the club out of spring training. In nineteen seventy nine,
I do that. I'm in the bullpen. It's middle of May.
We're facing the Phillies on a Monday night, and Steve Carlton,
I'm not gonna mention his name, but one of our
veteran pitchers called in and he had the twenty four
hour flu. He wasn't able to face lefty, but he
was good to go the next night against Dick Ruthman. Okay,
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so I get a start. Now, you would think with
only like four or five innings that you know they would,
I'd have a pitch count right, No, you can look.
I went nine innings. Of course I gave up a
home run to Mike Schmid, but after beating the Phillies
and Lefty, all of a sudden Losorda had to put
me back out there again. And our pitching coach, Read Adams,
who I owed the world to, when he handed me
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the baseball, he goes, don't let him take it away
from you, And as you know, eighteen years later, I
was still holding it.
Speaker 14 (35:04):
Unbelievable.
Speaker 13 (35:05):
Yeah, your career you started at twenty ended up thirty
eight years old when you hung up the spikes real
quickly on your twenty three nineteen seventy nine. You have
all these great accolades, Rookie of the Year, but you
had Don Sutton's what thirty nine, Bert Houghton and Jerry
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Royce are thirty year a twenty three year old kid
joining that team of Steve Garvey and Davy Lows and
Roby and Dusty Baker some household.
Speaker 7 (35:37):
Now, real quickly, you know they weren't as good to
me as Burt Blevin and Mike Hargrove and Andre Thornton
were those guys all kind of hunger theirselves other than
one person, and that was Dusty Baker. And Dusty Baker
was a game changer. He would tell me when a
hitter was too comfortable. I mean, he just guided me
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through that Rookie year, and you know those three years
in LA We went to Rookie of the Year in
seventy nine. I tell you the funny story. We win
the World Series in eighty one, but I didn't pitch
in the World Series because I had rearranged Tommy Lasorda's
office with him in it. Long story short.
Speaker 14 (36:15):
Well, the play the spaghetti is the story City. Oh yes, right.
Speaker 7 (36:20):
I can't remember the day, but I know exactly the scenario. Bobby.
I live in Kansas City. We don't have a garage
or snow on the ground. I walk out to the
mailbox and I open it and there's a World Series
ring with a full share World Series check like fifty
five thousand dollars. I figured, after what I did to Lasoria,
I wasn't gonna get anything. We got everything. You know
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what happened the next day, Bobby, I got a call
from Dave Garcia telling me that I had been traded
to the Cleveland Indian. It happened in twenty four hours.
I literally I'm talking to Dave and I'm like, okay,
great man. He goes, hey, but I noticed something. Your
rookie year, you weighed two hundred and fifteen. I had
just weighed myself that morning. I was like two thirty five.
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He goes, when you come to camp, I expect you
to be at two fifteen. Oh, well, you know what,
I started running. I started running two three times a day.
I showed up at two hundred and ten pounds, and
as you know, things worked out pretty well once I
put on that Indian uniform.
Speaker 14 (37:22):
Absolutely wasn't Dave Garcia the most beautiful.
Speaker 7 (37:25):
Man, nicest human being I ever met?
Speaker 13 (37:27):
Yeah, unfortunately we've run a time, but stay tuned for
part two of our conversation with rig Sudcliffe and his.
Speaker 14 (37:35):
Time in Cleveland. I'm at the ballpark. I'm the Cleveland
Guardians Radio Network.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
That's Bobby d at the ballpark, and that's going to
do it for this week's edition of Guardians Weekly. Thanks
so much for tuning in. As always, we'll catch you
next week when the team is right back here at
home taking on the Detroit Tigers. In a huge July
fourth weekend series. Until then for Brian Maze who always
helps putting together our show each and every week. This
is Jim Rosenhouse reminding you that you've been listening to
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Speaker 2 (00:58):
Hi, everyone, welcome to Guardian's Weekly. Jim Rosen House along
with you from Progressive Field in downtown Cleveland, where the
Guardians are taking on the Saint Louis Cardinals this weekend.
A four to ten start on Saturday and a noon
start on Sunday afternoons, so be sure to make a
note of that if you're planning on coming down Sunday.
Actually a twelve oh five first pitch for you on
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Sunday to close out the home stand. Good show line
up for you. Today we will hear from Joe Torres,
the Guardian's assistant pitching coach, on a variety of topics.
Also a fun at the ballpark with Senior Vice President
Bob di Biassio and Rick Sutcliffe. You don't want to
miss this one. Logan Allen Slade, Seconi and Ernie Clement
will also stop by. Two of the guardians starting pitchers
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and a former Cleveland player who's now enjoying a fine
season with the Blue Jays. Ernie Clement. But first our
weekend review and it hasn't been an easy week for
the Guardians. Tuesday at ten to six loss to the
Blue Jays to open that series, and then on Wednesday,
a thriller in Day on Town Cleveland. The Guardians jumped
in front in the first inning, a lead off walk
(02:04):
to Stephen Kuan. He stole second and Jose Ramirez delivered
down the.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
Pinch, ripped into right. That's a mason near the line
that'll score Kwan.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Big turn.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Jose holds throwback to first, skips away from Guerrero, goes
to the Blue Jay dugout. Ramirez after diving in, gets up,
goes to second. One nothing, Cleveland, and that'll be an
RBI single for Jose Ramirez and he'll go to second
on what will be a throwing air by Andre Simenez.
(02:37):
Toronto tied the game with a solo home run in
the top half of the fourth from vlad Guerrero Junior.
But in the bottom of the inning, two men on,
Gabrielarius came to the plate. Here's the pitch swung on
and that's drilled right center field and.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
It splits the gap. One hop pup against the wall
and right center. One run is in that steam and
Jones motoring home. Here's the relay.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
He slides, He's safe. Close play at the plate, Jones
made it.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
It's a two run double from Godrie Larius and the Guardians.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
They're back in front. It's now three to one. The
Blue Jays answered with three runs in the top half
of the sixth to take their first lead on the
day for three Blue Jays, but the Guardians again responded
in the bottom of the inning with Lane Thomas leading
things off.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Lane Thomas won for two of the single, awaits the
two to zero and he drives.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Into deep left down the line, go on to the porch.
Second night, Naro, Lane Thomas finds the home run porch
in left and we're back to even at four oh
on a sight in back to back games to see
Lane Thomas have back to back home runs, have four
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hints and four army eyes.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
It stayed tied at four through the ninth and onto
extra innings. The game went. In the top half of
the tenth, Nick Enright, out of the bullpen, tried to
keep the J's off the scoreboard.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
En Right fires swung on ground into third. Ramirez clubs
y'all have to hurry.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
The thrown by a whisker.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
We may have a challenge. It was bang bang. What
will the Blue Jays do? They do not challenge it. Wow,
was that close. We go to the bottom of the
tenth still tied at.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Four by great work by en Right. Then in the
bottom of the tenth Bownailor was the runner starting at
second base. Stephen Kuan was walked intentionally. David Fry singled
a bunt basit that loaded the bases with nobody out
for Jose Ramirez. The pinch and.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
Ramirez swings and lines of tent hesht ball game.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Jose Ramirez laces.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
One down the left field line, scoring on the hil
Martinez with a game winner, and Toronto had no choice.
They had to pinch to Ramirez when the bases loaded.
They get their walk off win number four and they
knocked off the Jays five to four in tenanties and.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
That was the high point for the Guardians. They have
not scored since as they were shut out six nothing
by the Blue Jays Thursday afternoon and five nothing Friday
night by the Cardinals. And Sonny Gray. Stay with us,
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Speaker 2 (06:35):
Welcome back to Guardians Weekly. Jim rosenhouse along with you
this weekend as we join you from Progressive Field in
downtown Cleveland. The starting rotation has been a real bright
spot for the Guardians, including Logan Allen. He has strung
together some really good starts of late, and recently we
caught up with him and he talked about some of
the keys to pitching deeper into games. As we have
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seen during this recent stretch is.
Speaker 6 (07:00):
You know, having a good game plan going into the
games with the with the catchers being on the same page,
and then you know, trusting my stuff, trusting the defense,
just trying to go out there and attack guys. You know,
like I always trying to say, it's hard to hit.
Remember that it's hard to hit, and just go right
after you guys, let the defense work.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
And you had a unique situation where you did have
to go to the bullpen for I think the first
time in your major league career.
Speaker 7 (07:20):
And.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
It went well from the standpoint of you got to win.
You had a one two, three inning. What was that
like for you to experience in the pen maybe even
before you came into the game.
Speaker 8 (07:32):
It was different.
Speaker 6 (07:32):
This was kind of cool getting to see, like what
that environment is like down there. I feel like the
bullpen's kind of its own little team within the team,
So it was cool to kind of, you know, see
how those guys operate on a day to day basis
a little bit different, you know, not really knowing when
the warm up and all that kind of stuff. But
you know, they they accepted the open arms. They helped
me out, you know, getting ready and kind of walk
me through it.
Speaker 8 (07:53):
So they're awesome. So it was a lot of fun.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
You say they accepted you with open arms, did they
really make it part of the group.
Speaker 6 (08:00):
Feel like I was kind of part of the group
for a little bit. I got a little bit of
craft today, So maybe not not as much as I think,
but I feel like a little bit.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
And you get a win only getting three outs? Was
that kind of nice because I know as a starter
sometimes you can throw it really well for a long
time and then not gonna.
Speaker 6 (08:15):
Win wins get a lot of flack and today's game,
but I feel like, you know, they're hard to come by,
so I'll take them anyway you can get them. Yeah,
probably the at least amount of pitches I'll ever throw
in my career to get a win. Hopefully, so we'll
see Logan Allen's joining us. And I'm not sure how
many people know, but you were a really good hitter
position player in college in addition to it to being
a obviously a top shelf pitcher to get drafted, but
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maybe that came into play in San Francisco. You fielded
a pop up off to the side.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Of the mound. Pictures don't do that very often, and
how did you play that and why were you the
only option to make that play.
Speaker 6 (08:49):
I think I just got lucky with the way that
he hit it. That he hit it, you know, low
enough for me to catch it. I think for the
most part, once it gets up above a certain height,
it gets a little tough for us, you know, especially
a lot of times it'll drift back on you. But yeah,
I mean I always like to feel confident. I mean,
we come out here in Shagby p every day. I
feel pretty confident in catching a fly ball if I
need to. So yeah, it felt nice to get one.
And yeah, at like I said, we don't really get
a lot of those. I think it's probably the first
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one I got in my pro career and the five
six years I've played.
Speaker 8 (09:13):
So it was pretty cool.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
And I feel like anyone on this team wants to
be like Jose Ramirez, and you did a Jose Ramirez
replica after that would explain what happened there and what's
going on.
Speaker 6 (09:24):
Yeah, every time was the catch the fly ball, he
gets a little two hands up celebrations, So I thought
it was fitting that I caught myself one and I
do it. He ran by me and he kind of
gave me the two little celebrations, so I was like, oh, okay,
it's a good time to do it.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Your last start. It came in San Francisco, a road
game in a National League park, which used to mean
pitchers hit, but no more. Were you disappointed?
Speaker 6 (09:47):
Well, they took that away. I guess I knew it
wasn't good, but yeah, it was pretty cool.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
I think I've always had.
Speaker 6 (09:52):
That in the back of my head that I'd have
that opportunity, you know, if I ever got to the
big least quick enough. But unfortunately change the rules before
I had that opportunity. But yes, I would have been
really cool to hit, especially hit off justin Berlander. That
would have been a cool couple of bets to get right.
But no, I guess it's right for the best. So
we got a lot of good guys, like in the
DH spot that kind of kind of slug for us.
That's probably better off that I'm right in there.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Look it up, folks. He had some good numbers in college.
Logan Allen thanks Loft for coming by. I think thank you,
Rosie appreciate it. AT's guardian starting pitcher. Logan Allen also
performing very well in that starting rotation is Slate Seconi.
He'll face the Cardinals on Saturday, the four to ten game,
and he's coming off a great start against the Athletics
and has been more and more consistent with each passing start.
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He talked about that consistency and says he likes the
direction his game is going as we get deeper into
the season.
Speaker 7 (10:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (10:41):
I think consistency is one of the biggest keys in pitching,
not just in results, but in consistency in your process,
the way you work, the way you go about your business.
If you do things over and over again the same way,
it's going to be much easier when you take them
ound to replicate it.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
I know when you were at the diamond or some
stints in the bullpen as well as starting, has it
made a difference knowing that you're a starting pitcher here
and that that's your role and you can prepare properly
for that.
Speaker 8 (11:10):
Yeah, I think that helps.
Speaker 9 (11:12):
Being able to be on the same five or six
day schedule every week, knowing you're going to take the
ball and get somewhere between eighty and you know, eighty
plus pitches. For my situation, eighty plus pitches every fifth
or sixth day gives you clarity on every day what
you're doing to get ready for that.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Are you doing anything much differently from your first two
years in the major leagues or is it just that
you've got some experience under your belt and you're a
year older and so things should smooth out a little bit.
Speaker 9 (11:42):
Yes and yes, yes to both those answers. Yes, the
coming of age and having more experience definitely plays a
factor in slowing the game down a little bit, allowing you.
Speaker 8 (11:53):
To be a little bit more comfortable out there.
Speaker 9 (11:55):
But we have done a lot of work on implementing
the sinker, the cutter, more curveball usage into the repertoire
to keep hitters off of just my four team slider mix,
because those are obviously the two pitches that I previously
had leaned on far and away the most, and I
still want to be able to lean on those two pitches,
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but using some of the other pitches that compliment them
to open up space to use him has been a
big factor in the success this year. It's gonna sound
like a beating on a same drum every time, but
consistency of doing the same thing every week in terms
of the work and the process because if you find
out what works for you and you can just continue
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to replicate it over and over again, it's going to
be a lot easier out there to be in the
right head space and do your job.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
He had a chance to watch Shane Bieber, so you
can give us a bird's eye view an update on
how he's doing there. He went through a bullpen as
he continues to make his way back. How did he look.
Speaker 9 (12:56):
I don't know if he missed a spot. He threw
twenty something pitches. I saw him throw one curveball a
little bit in front of where he wanted to. But man,
it's it's fun to watch a guy who's that consistent
in that precise with what he does do his thing.
It gives you something to really strive for because every
time you think you know you may have something figured out,
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or you might feel pretty good about yourself, you watch
you watch somebody that's better than you realize you still
got a lot of work to do to get to
where you want to go.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
Oh, he surely is one of the best. Hey, well,
change gears for our last question. You're new to town. Yes,
you are a kindoiseur. I'm guessing Italian restaurants and tell
us about the food scene in Cleveland. This have been
impressive for you.
Speaker 9 (13:38):
It has so, I've I've made my way over to
Little Italy a few times. I've enjoyed a lot of
the restaurants that I've been over there. I would say
my favorite so far that I've been to I've been
to twice now is Vlarios really really good traditional Italian food.
Speaker 7 (13:57):
Love it.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
I was surprised to you who maybe based on what
you thought Cleveland was a little bit.
Speaker 9 (14:04):
I would say the weather has been a little bit
different than I had heard that, you know, a little
gloomy sometimes, but there have been a lot of really
nice days suns out, feels like I'm back in Florida
with the humidity, which feels like home to me.
Speaker 8 (14:20):
I love it. It's good pitching weather.
Speaker 9 (14:22):
You don't have to throw as much to get loose,
so I'm really enjoying it.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
Awesome play. Thanks a lot for coming by. I appreciate
it absolutely. That's Lade Seconi, the starting pitcher for the
Guardians in Saturday's game against the Cardinals. Earlier this week,
the Blue Jays were in town, and that meant a
visit from Ernie Clement, the former Cleveland Indian and Guardian.
Clement has been in the top ten in the American
League in batting for a good portion of this season,
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with that average well up over three hundred most of
the year. And we'll get to his Cleveland days in
a moment, but first he talked about what's led to
his success now hitting in the middle of a dangerous
Blue Jay's light up.
Speaker 10 (15:01):
Yeah, I think when you get normal at bats, you
can kind of get into a groove, and you know,
I'm fortunate enough to be getting a really good opportunity
over here, like I said, so I'm just kind of
trying to run with it.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
You look at the Blue Jays and it seems like
a team that could take off at any moment. They've
had some good stretches and and what do you see
here that's exciting as you get deeper into the season.
Speaker 10 (15:22):
Yeah, I mean we have we have really strong pitching.
I think anytime you have really good starting pitching, you're
going to be in a lot of a lot of
baseball games and you're gonna have a chance to win. So,
you know, our offense is really really starting to click,
and we're starting to put some runs up, So I
think that's going to really compliment each other. And I
really do think we're a dangerous team.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
Good mix of veterans and young guys.
Speaker 10 (15:42):
Yeah, yeah, and I think that's really important too. We
have we have great leadership with the veterans and then
we have some some hungry young guys who are who
are you know, really really talented and you know, I
kind of I kind of fall right in the middle
of that.
Speaker 8 (15:53):
So I'm excited.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
And a lot of familiar names and faces for Cleveland fans.
And what's it like being on the same team, either
again or for the first time with guys like Miles
Straw and Racily Mentz and others.
Speaker 10 (16:04):
Yeah, I mean, these guys are awesome, and you know,
it was so fun playing with them the first time around,
and then as soon as we got them this offseason,
it was it was really exciting. And uh, you know,
they're they're they're playing good ball, man, They're they're helping
us win, and uh, you know, it's it's it's cool
to be back in Cleveland, for sure.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
Former Cleveland Indian Ernie Clement is joining us. And memories
of your time growing up in this organization, what stands
out to you.
Speaker 10 (16:26):
Just the people that are here in the organization have
all positive things to say.
Speaker 8 (16:30):
I absolutely love my time here.
Speaker 10 (16:32):
You know, obviously I wish I could have could have
helped the team and played a little better, but you know,
I just I have no regrets. And I absolutely loved
everybody I played with and and got to play for.
And you know, staff and players were all just awesome.
So it's it's always cool coming back, and uh, it
holds a special place in my heart for sure.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
And when you look at your path, you had a
couple of situations where you had to impress a new
team and how did that make you a stronger player?
You think down the road.
Speaker 10 (16:59):
Yeah, you really learn, you know, every stop you make
you learn something new. And my time in Cleveland was
was really special. And then you know, I got an opportunity,
a brief opportunity in Oakland, and then you know I
found my way here. So uh, you know, like I said,
you learned something new along the way at each stop.
But you know, I'm fortunate to have gotten another opportunity.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Brief time in Oakland. And you had a moment with
current Cleveland manager Steven Vote tell us about that on
one of the big days for his career.
Speaker 10 (17:30):
Yeah, it's one of the coolest baseball moments I've seen,
and I'm lucky I got to be there in person
to watch it. He hit a home run and his
his final career at bad and in the exact same
spot where he hit his his first.
Speaker 8 (17:40):
Career home run.
Speaker 10 (17:41):
So I was on deck and I didn't really you know,
I'd only been with those guys for a little while,
so you know, I didn't really know him too well.
But you know, I couldn't help but just give him
a big hug when he when he crossed the home
play because I just knew it was. It was such
a cool moment for him, and you know, the brief
time I got to spend with him, he's a special
person and he's he's really good for the game at baseball.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
Are any great stuff? Great to see it again, Thank.
Speaker 8 (18:02):
You, yes, sir, good to see it.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Always fun to catch up with Ernie Clement, one of
the good guys in the game, and nice to see
him having some big time success with the Blue Jays.
Stay with us when we come back. We'll hear from
Joe Torres, the Guardian's assistant pitching coach, that's next on
the Cleveland Clinic Guardians Radio Network. Jim Rosanown's back with
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you from Progressive Field in downtown Cleveland where the Guardians
are taking on the Cardinals this weekend. Wrapping up the
homestand Joe Torres is one of the guardians assistant pitching
coaches along with Brad Goldberg. They both do a great
job supporting Carl Willis, the Guardians pitching coach, and the
starting rotation has been really impressive for some time now
getting better as the season goes along, and Torres talked
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about some of the keys just stringing together quality starts.
Speaker 11 (19:02):
You're right, things have gotten better, you know as a
season gotte along here. But you know a lot of
it's credits to the players and just the processes and
behind the scenes work that they're doing. You know, where's
a lot of communication going on, you know, post meetings,
reviewing the games, going with purposes and intent into the
bullpens and then translating that into the games. And we're
seeing that happen more and more often. Guys are just
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working really, really hard. But you know we also have
to remember, like these guys, a lot of them, it's
like really their first full season as a starter with
that's Ortiz.
Speaker 8 (19:31):
And Gavin Slade.
Speaker 11 (19:33):
So you know, these guys are really just learning the
demands of like a turn you know, every five days,
every six days, what they need to do to prepare themselves.
Speaker 8 (19:40):
And it seems like they're getting a better routine doing that.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
You mentioned that that post start meeting, it usually comes
to the next day or or if there's an off day,
a couple of days later. And so for instance, the
slate Saconio had a really good one on Sunday. What
are some of the things you touch on with him
after a really good start.
Speaker 8 (19:56):
Like that, Well, I mean we use that meeting.
Speaker 11 (19:59):
It's a good opportunit for the player to kind of
flush and bring out, you know, any thoughts and feelings
they had from the game, good, bad and different, right,
so they can go ahead and just you know, go
ahead and share with us, like what they were thinking,
what they were feeling, and then it gives us an
opportunity also be able to you know, offer some feedback
throughout the game. So you know, for a slave, for instance,
I mean very efficient, getting a chance to use all
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his pitches. He's he's added a few pitches this year
and little by little we're starting to see that mix
go into the games. But really just he was really
happy about the way pitch with the lead right, which
can be different right when you're pitching with the lead
or you're pitching behind. And and he did such a
great job and worked well with Hegy, and you know,
we just take those those opportunities to talk about, you know, sequences, delivery,
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anything we can to pull out the game.
Speaker 8 (20:42):
That we can use to go into the next bullpen.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Used to be a starting pitcher, and there's a guy
floating around here on the home stands mainly Corey Klueber.
You could count on two hundred plus innings. That was important.
It's probably still important, but it seems like the game
is changing a little bit. And how do you manage
as we get deeper into it now past the halfway
point workload? And and is that two hundred inning mark
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Is that all that important anymore? Is it more maybe
how you're getting to a certain level of innings.
Speaker 11 (21:13):
Yeah, it's it's hard to say like importance. If you
ask me, it's important. I'm sure players feel like it's important,
but we probably see that that number more around one
eighty now across the league, especially, like you know, the
way way things are seeing with the third time through
tend to get some relievers in there. The games has
changed a little bit, and that's fine because you know,
look at our bullpen right, Like, who wouldn't want those
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guys in the game, right And I feel like a
lot of teams probably feel similar. So you know, really
about these guys just going out there and just getting
us as deep as they can.
Speaker 8 (21:42):
They've done a tremendous job.
Speaker 11 (21:43):
I mean, our pitch counts, you know, up there with
the league leaders in terms of our starters, you know,
going deep into games.
Speaker 8 (21:49):
So it's it's been great. But you know, you got
you gotta give a lot of.
Speaker 11 (21:52):
Credit to SNC and medical, to the routines that they're
putting on these guys to help them, you know, work
through the five days in between, the four days in
between to prepare their bodies.
Speaker 2 (22:03):
Joined by Joe Torres, the Guardian's assistant pitching coach, switching
to the bullpen. It's a group that had an unbelievable
year a year ago, and I thought it was interesting
we're talking earlier just about how no matter what, the
personnel is going to change from year to year. But
you do have four guys who are backing up a
really good season a year ago with more of the
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same this year. And what are you seeing from those
pitchers who work the seventy plus appearances a year ago
in terms of how they're handling that from a year
ago into this season.
Speaker 8 (22:35):
Truly have been very, very impressed by them.
Speaker 11 (22:37):
I mean, to handle seventy games in a season, I
mean it takes a toll in the body, especially someone
maybe like for kid who jumped from you know, thirty
five forty appearances a year before in the minor leagues, right,
and you see them coming back around again. Give credits
s and c medical helping these guys, you know, with
their bodies and their recovery.
Speaker 8 (22:57):
But you know they're they're learning, right, they're learning.
Speaker 11 (22:59):
How to how to back off their workloads and catch
play a little bit more, you know, touch them out.
Speaker 8 (23:03):
A little bit less.
Speaker 11 (23:05):
You know, their their routines before the outing, let you know,
bringing those pitch counts down a little bit in the bullpen.
Speaker 8 (23:11):
All those things matter.
Speaker 11 (23:11):
Every throw matters for these guys, and they're doing a
tremendous job with that right now.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
And most of them you've worked with for several years
a couple of new pitchers. Just as an example, Matt
Fester joined the team after the season began. Kobe Allard
was in spring training but new to the organization. How
impressed have you been with what they've been able to
do in a short period of time to get acclimated
to what Cleveland likes to do with their pitching.
Speaker 8 (23:36):
Yeah, I mean that's a good point.
Speaker 11 (23:37):
I mean them coming into a new situation, especially Festa
kind of jumped in middle season here as we claim
them from uh, you know, from the minor leagues.
Speaker 8 (23:45):
We had it out there. They've been tremendous. I mean
they've come in.
Speaker 11 (23:48):
What's been great about them is they've come in they've
been themselves and we've tried to support that as much
as possible. You know, don't come in here and try
to be more than who you are. And then little
by little we can, you know, help them grow in
any way that they feel like they need to or
if we see fit. But uh, you know, they've been great,
and the number one thing they've done is they thrown shrikes.
They've come in right away thrown shrikes and that's helped
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a lot when at times where we need maybe some
length from Colby or a situation where you know, Matt
comes in and punch his guy out in three or
four pitches.
Speaker 8 (24:17):
Like, it's been pretty impressive and it's been great to have.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
Him and the guy at the end of games. A
manual class A a year for the ages a year ago. Uh,
what are you seeing from him this year? As the
numbers look a little bit different, but maybe the numbers
that we don't see that that say, hey, he's still
as dominant as they come.
Speaker 11 (24:34):
Oh yeah, absolutely, I mean still you can look up
every night it's still nine to nine to one hundred, right.
So you know, early in the season and he was
dealing with a little bit of shoulder, you know, fatigue,
and then and he was able to kind of get
through that and and once we got to April, kind
of look at the month of May and I'm not
sure if you get up a run. He might have
given up one run in May and been pretty solid.
So it's like, you know, to expect what do you had?
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What you saw last year from anybody would be kind
of crazy, but it's on amost like we come to
expect that from him because he's almost superhuman.
Speaker 8 (25:02):
In some ways from the year to year.
Speaker 11 (25:04):
The amount of appearances that he's put out there and
the numbers he's put out there, he's super impressive. And
once again, like you know, he's going to continue to
work and find ways to get better, and that's what
he's doing this year.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
Joe as always thanks for the time.
Speaker 8 (25:16):
Appreciate it. Yeah, sure things, appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
That's Joe Torres, the Guardian's assistant pitching coach, and always
thank him for his time. Some good thoughts on what's
been happening, both in the starting rotation and the bullpen.
Stay with us. We'll have our final segment of Guardians
Weekly after this time out the Cleveland Clinic Guardians Radio Network.
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Welcome back to Guardians Weekly, Jim rosen House along with
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and again we like to catch up with Guardian's Senior
Vice President Bob D Biassio and see who he has
caught up with in another edition of At the Ballpark
with Bobby D. This time around it's Cy Young Award
winner Rick Suckcliffe.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
The perfectly manicured field, the unmistakable aroma of a ballpark
hot dog, and the electricity celebrating another victory.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
This is at the Ballpark with Bobby D.
Speaker 13 (26:58):
Thank you, Hammy, Well them to at the Ballpark, where
we hope you enjoy our conversations with those involved in
the great game of baseball. Those who may have been
behind the scenes are the colorful personalities who have provided
so many exciting moments and memories. Today we are joined
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by one of my all time favorites, a former number
one draft pick.
Speaker 14 (27:24):
With the Los Angeles Dodgers, a.
Speaker 13 (27:26):
Three time All Star Cy Young Award winner and a
Roberto Clemente Award winner.
Speaker 14 (27:33):
Mister Rick Sudcliffe sut thank you for taking the time
to be with.
Speaker 7 (27:37):
Us, Bobby. There's not enough time in today for me
to catch up with you on all the great things.
And I mean seriously, just hearing your voice it takes
me back to how much we love Cleveland. What a
beautiful city it was. Our daughter was born when I
was playing for the Indians. Bobby, when when I hear
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your voice, I literally think of Jimmy Warfield. I think
of Dave Garcia, I think of Mike Cargo. We'b Blilevi
and Andre Thornton. Right now I'm thanking to Joe Charbonneau
and how crazy he was. That clubhouse in nineteen eighty
two was a lot like the clubhouse in the movie
Major League. And Bobby, you know it well.
Speaker 13 (28:17):
Yes and day you're too kind and we've stayed friends
all this time, and you were in Cleveland just two
years and a half. Some memorable moments and we'll get
to that in a little bit, but we might as
well start at the beginning. You're a number one draft pick,
of the Dodgers in nineteen seventy four, twenty first overall
out of high school and Independence, Missouri. Share that experience
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with us.
Speaker 7 (28:43):
You know, the story that comes to mind, Bobby is
I thought the worst day of my life. I'm eleven
years old and my dad leaves our family. My dad
did not like sports, so we didn't play. And it
turns out that we were put up for adoption. My
brother and sister and I and my grandpa on my
mind said no, that's not going to happen. He took
us in. He came out of retirement, he went back
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to work. He loved sports. He had my mom and
my aunt. You know, he didn't have a boy to raise,
so all of a sudden, now he's got two of them.
And he told me one rule, he said, the one thing.
You can play all the sports you want, but you
got to get good grades. Well, Bobby, you talk about
me being the number one pick. My freshman year in
high school, came home with a bad report card. My
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grandpa didn't let me play in the championship game and
we lost. And there's not a doubt in my mind
we would have won if I could have played. But
he taught me a lesson. So fast forward to as
you mentioned, I was the number one pick by the Dodgers, Bobby.
They come to our house, you know, they offered me
a bonus, and they offered me my education and my
brother's education and sell that. And I asked him, I said,
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to everybody in the country, why was I your number
one pick? And they go, that's a great question, Rick.
The reason you scouted out like a lot of other people.
But the reason you stood out was because of your
grade point average. And I'm like, well, why does that matter?
And I said, what if I if I love baseball
but I hate math. They go, we don't know, Bobby.
The only scenario they had to compare me as a
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player getting better by listening to a coach was me
as a student. And whether I listened to my teacher
or not. Go back to the day my grandpa made
me miss that football game. It wouldn't have happened without
him being firm about it. And I ended up with
a great, great point average, and I wasn't going to
play baseball in college. I wanted to play football, and
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that great point average kind of took me away from
my dream of playing football, and end of the career
that I should have been in all along.
Speaker 13 (30:36):
Well, you're a six seven, six eight two fifteen to twenty five.
Speaker 14 (30:40):
What position did you play in football?
Speaker 7 (30:43):
Well, you know, like everybody else back in the day,
I never left the field. I was a quarterback. That's
what I got recruited at. I was able, mentioned All
American blah blah blah, got recruited all around the country. Oh,
I could throw it, but hey, we weren't going to
run the wishbone.
Speaker 14 (30:59):
You know that, I love it.
Speaker 13 (31:02):
You're drafted in junea seventy four, and quickly you're in
the big leagues in nineteen seventy six, and you pitch
one game in a September or five innings only what
two hits, no runs allowed?
Speaker 7 (31:18):
Bobby. The funny part about that story was I get
called up in September from Double A. I go from
you know, maybe two hundred people on a Friday night
in Waterbury, Connecticut, to Dodger Stadium and Walter Austin retired
with four games to go in the season nineteen seventy six.
He told Tommy, you're running the team. But the only
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thing I'm telling you is I want the kid to
be the starting pitcher. So Bobby, I'm the starting pitcher.
I had probably ten complete games in Double A. I mean,
that's what we did. Sandy Kofax taught me that a
quality start was at the end of the game, when
you shoot the catcher's hand. I mean, that's what it's
all about. Well, here we are, you said, I only
went five inning, nothing and nothing. Bottom of the fifth
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man on third, one out, I walked the home plate
to hit. All of a sudden, I hear the crowd
yelling everything. The youmpire says, hey, your manager wants you.
I turned around. Losorda is waving me back, and he goes,
we're gonna pitch it for you, Bobby. I looked at him.
I said, you gotta be me. I had just seart
twenty years old. I spent the next oh. I spent
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the next hour after the game in Lasorda's office, just
getting aired out about it. But that's the reason I
only went five innings that night.
Speaker 14 (32:31):
Oh my, I.
Speaker 13 (32:32):
Love it so Oddly, you don't get called back up
to the Biggs in seventy seven, and you only pitch
one and two thirds innings or so in seventy eight,
so you're not in the big leagues. In seventy seven,
you pitch it an inning in two thirds and seventy eight,
and then you go in seventy nine and you pitch
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two hundred forty three innings. About that big league it's
like when you look at those kinds the numbers, and
think you go from one and two thirds at as
to two hundred and forty three at as.
Speaker 14 (33:06):
You win Rookie of the Year, you have thirty nine games,
thirty starts. It's amazing.
Speaker 7 (33:13):
Yeah, I tell you I got hurt opening Day in
nineteen seventy seven in Triple A. About a week later
they sent me to see Frank Job and he told
me I had a torn rotator cut. I was gonna
have surgery the next day. My longtime agent and great friend,
you know, you knew very action rod Well. We lost
him a year ago. He was there representing another kid
and as we came out, he says, how are you
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getting back to the hotel? I said, I'm waiting on
a cab. He goes, I'll drive you back. He worked
in the athletic department at UCLA. He said, nobody's ever
come back from that surgery. He says, I've did some
research on it. He goes, you can probably go back
and play college football or basketball. I go, what do
you tell me? He goes, If I were you, I
wouldn't have that surgery.
Speaker 14 (33:52):
Wow.
Speaker 7 (33:52):
The other kid that he was there representing had the
surgery never played again. I didn't get it done. The
Dodgers were livid. They were mad at me. I barely
pitched it all. In seventy seven, I get the spring training.
I got to pitch well to make the Triple A staff,
but we end up winning the championship that year. I
got called up, as you said, for an inning or
so at the end of it. I had to make
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the club out of spring training. In nineteen seventy nine,
I do that. I'm in the bullpen. It's middle of May.
We're facing the Phillies on a Monday night, and Steve Carlton,
I'm not gonna mention his name, but one of our
veteran pitchers called in and he had the twenty four
hour flu. He wasn't able to face lefty, but he
was good to go the next night against Dick Ruthman. Okay,
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so I get a start. Now, you would think with
only like four or five innings that you know they would,
I'd have a pitch count right, No, you can look.
I went nine innings. Of course I gave up a
home run to Mike Schmid, but after beating the Phillies
and Lefty, all of a sudden Losorda had to put
me back out there again. And our pitching coach, Read Adams,
who I owed the world to, when he handed me
(34:57):
the baseball, he goes, don't let him take it away
from you, And as you know, eighteen years later, I
was still holding it.
Speaker 14 (35:04):
Unbelievable.
Speaker 13 (35:05):
Yeah, your career you started at twenty ended up thirty
eight years old when you hung up the spikes real
quickly on your twenty three nineteen seventy nine. You have
all these great accolades, Rookie of the Year, but you
had Don Sutton's what thirty nine, Bert Houghton and Jerry
(35:27):
Royce are thirty year a twenty three year old kid
joining that team of Steve Garvey and Davy Lows and
Roby and Dusty Baker some household.
Speaker 7 (35:37):
Now, real quickly, you know they weren't as good to
me as Burt Blevin and Mike Hargrove and Andre Thornton
were those guys all kind of hunger theirselves other than
one person, and that was Dusty Baker. And Dusty Baker
was a game changer. He would tell me when a
hitter was too comfortable. I mean, he just guided me
(35:58):
through that Rookie year, and you know those three years
in LA We went to Rookie of the Year in
seventy nine. I tell you the funny story. We win
the World Series in eighty one, but I didn't pitch
in the World Series because I had rearranged Tommy Lasorda's
office with him in it. Long story short.
Speaker 14 (36:15):
Well, the play the spaghetti is the story City. Oh yes, right.
Speaker 7 (36:20):
I can't remember the day, but I know exactly the scenario. Bobby.
I live in Kansas City. We don't have a garage
or snow on the ground. I walk out to the
mailbox and I open it and there's a World Series
ring with a full share World Series check like fifty
five thousand dollars. I figured, after what I did to Lasoria,
I wasn't gonna get anything. We got everything. You know
(36:42):
what happened the next day, Bobby, I got a call
from Dave Garcia telling me that I had been traded
to the Cleveland Indian. It happened in twenty four hours.
I literally I'm talking to Dave and I'm like, okay,
great man. He goes, hey, but I noticed something. Your
rookie year, you weighed two hundred and fifteen. I had
just weighed myself that morning. I was like two thirty five.
(37:06):
He goes, when you come to camp, I expect you
to be at two fifteen. Oh, well, you know what,
I started running. I started running two three times a day.
I showed up at two hundred and ten pounds, and
as you know, things worked out pretty well once I
put on that Indian uniform.
Speaker 14 (37:22):
Absolutely wasn't Dave Garcia the most beautiful.
Speaker 7 (37:25):
Man, nicest human being I ever met?
Speaker 13 (37:27):
Yeah, unfortunately we've run a time, but stay tuned for
part two of our conversation with rig Sudcliffe and his.
Speaker 14 (37:35):
Time in Cleveland. I'm at the ballpark. I'm the Cleveland
Guardians Radio Network.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
That's Bobby d at the ballpark, and that's going to
do it for this week's edition of Guardians Weekly. Thanks
so much for tuning in. As always, we'll catch you
next week when the team is right back here at
home taking on the Detroit Tigers. In a huge July
fourth weekend series. Until then for Brian Maze who always
helps putting together our show each and every week. This
is Jim Rosenhouse reminding you that you've been listening to
(38:06):
Guardians Weekly on the Cleveland Clinic Guardians Radio Network.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
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