September 20, 2023 • 10 mins
Kevin talks about how every branch on your newest tree won't be there when that tree is 10 feet tall.
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H twenty three thirteen ten Wiba andask the experts. It's a beautiful late
summer morning. Looks like a fantasticday. Add great day to take a
moment to look up. Check outyour trees. Check out the trees that
you're seeing. Someone that's always lookingup at the trees is master arborist Kevin
Am. Of course, Kevin comesto us from hams Arborcare the website hams
(00:33):
Arborcare dot com. That's h Am MS Arborcare dot com. Telephone number
eight six six five nine six fivethree nine six. That's eight six six
five nine six five three nine six. Kevin. How you doing this morning.
I'm doing a great shown. I'mactually traveling up the freeway to Legacy
Trees Meeting, oh fie annual meeting, kind of discussing the year and the
(00:59):
four all in the future. AndI injected an ash tree already this morning,
that was on the way up here. It's been an active morning.
Sounds like a busy morning. It'salmost lunchtime. I can relate my friend.
Yeah, I'm get a lot donebefore the sunrise of myself. And
people say, wait, you're alreadyeating lunch. Oh yeah, it's uh,
(01:22):
it is lunch time. It's justsaying you're doing all of this stuff.
We're gonna talk about legacy trees injust a moment, but you're doing
all this stuff at the same time, training and getting ready for the Big
Tree Climbing Championship coming up in justa few days from now, yeah,
on Friday. And you know,it's kind of funny. I'll fast time
(01:44):
plot. You know, I wasthinking, I kind of had a Gideon
moment, if you know the storyin the in the Bible where Gideon,
you know, thought he needed tenthousand soldiers and he ended up getting it
done with three hundreds. Well,I thought I needed ten thousand hours of
practice, and now it's upon meand I haven't had ten thousand hours of
(02:09):
practice. So yeah, both Taylorand I, we've been real busy and
we're just like, you know what, We're just gonna go up there.
We're gonna have a good time.We're encouraged people. I'm bringing some merch.
You know, we're gonna give awayU T shirts to all the climbers.
We're gonna give away cooling towels anda bar of soap to all the
volunteers and we're donating a double ringspling, retrievable double ring splings. That's
(02:35):
kind of our signature product. AtGame of Trees and to they usually do
a raffle that ends up going tosomebody need, maybe an injured climber or
something. You know, I don'tknow what person will be in need this
year, but it goes to somegood cause. So you know, we're
doing some some cool stuff and we'regonna have fun with you know. Yes,
(03:00):
if we do well, that's abonus. And if you do really
well, it correct me if I'mwrong. It's like a lot of these
things. You move on to theh could you move on to the National
National the Internet? Yeah? So, and in Wisconsin here we do a
fall competition because we try to avoidthe oak wild season, and he represent
(03:23):
next first, so you kind ofget the throne for a year if you
win nice and so then next summerwe would go to the i SA International
Convention and compete there. Well that'and I've been there twice back in two
thousand and two thousand or two thousandand one and two thousand and two,
(03:44):
I represented. I got an allexpense paid trip to Milwaukee two thousand one.
Yes, and I got to Seattlein two thousand two. Oh nice,
that's better. Nothing against Milwaukee,but I you know, we get
there plenty here on here. That'llall be fantastic. Of course, we
(04:05):
talk about the event. You canlearn more of course online if fall Game
of Trees on Facebook and social media. Also their Game of Trees channel on
YouTube. Cool thing about that isKevin's going to be doing some filming as
well and putting together a really coolvideo about the event. If you haven't
checked out Game of Trees on YouTubetheir channel, make sure you check out
(04:25):
those videos. They're so cool,a lot of fun, very interesting content
as well, Like and subscribe tothem. Ham's Arborcare Game of Trees on
YouTube. And Kevin you mentioned you'reon your way up for your Legacy Trees
meeting. You guys get together andtalk about it. Let's talk about the
Legacy Trees program, something you guysare offering now at Ham's Arborcare, and
(04:46):
it is a fantastic way to geta fantastic tree and make sure that that
tree is going to grow and developproperly and making sure that it's getting the
proper care, especially in those earlyyears of life. Yeah, you know,
we've been kind of in an argument, not really an argument, but
you know, different points of philosophybetween nurserymen in arborus and finally in arborus.
(05:12):
Ron Zilmer, he's been in theindustry a long time, been an
educator, been a village or acity of Milwaukee Forrester, and and so
he's got a lot of experience,especially in planting trees in a large city
like that. And the biggest problemthey had in the city was attrition.
(05:33):
You know, it's just the plantingtrees. They die. Plant trees,
they die. Planting trees, theydie. And so he wanted to develop
a nursery that was going to startthe tree off right at the right depth
and not a lot of the nurseryprocesses. The tree gets deeper and deeper
in the rootball as the process goes, as it moves from container to container
(05:55):
or from field to field. Andyou know, the Legacy tree process is
just very controlled in that regard.Upgrading trees to larger sizes is systematic.
And then we provide a five yearwarranty. I mean that is unheard of
in the industry. Most is oneyear, and we offer a one year
(06:17):
if you don't want to buy theextra warranty, but the extra warranty is
of value because we're coming out andtouching that tree every year. You know,
we're going to be there and makesure that that tree is growing properly.
And you know, one of thethings that leads to a lot of
our tree work is trees that we'renot monitored very closely, and it leads
(06:40):
to poor structure and broken limbs.And you know, we we have a
lot of young trees around the areathat one weren't putting the ground right and
so they make an air tool thatwe have in a service we provide to
(07:01):
excavate the root flare of a tree, and we can do that with young
trees to see if there's girdling roots. We can do that with older trees
maybe they have been stricken by constructiondamage or soil compaction. And then we
do training pruney you know on alot of trees and a lot of these
trees that have been If you're ina subdevelopment that's ten years old, your
(07:27):
young trees, you think they're lookinggood. I was just down a house
yesterday and there's this tree also professionally, so they came in and the first
thing she said was, I don'twant this tree stripped up and all narrow,
and so I knew I had someeducated too. It's not that we
were going to make it super narrow, but I just knew that she needed
(07:49):
some information about how the training pruneywill go. Because to a new tree
owner, you know, every branchis pressed. Yeah, well, on
that new tree you just put onthe ground, every branch is temporary.
Like when that tree has grown,not a single branch on that new tree
(08:11):
is going to be there. Thinkof that. That's interest. Think of
that. Thought of that. Ever, they don't move up the trunk,
they don't get farther from the groundwhere they pop out of the trunk.
That's where they are. And sothose branches are going to be pruned and
weaned as the tree grows up.So if you've got a ten foot tall
(08:33):
tree that you're put in the ground, it you can easily have a ten
foot trunk on the mature tree.So virtually every branch on the tree is
just the juvenile branch. It's goingto be cut off. Kevin, my
mind's been blown this morning, bythe way, because I never thought of
that. But yeah, yeah,every single branch you're looking at that's so
(08:54):
precious to you as a new treeowner, is temporary. And and so
once I started explaining that to her, she's like, oh, well,
well, we want it done right, you know. And so it was
it was an easy sell in thatregard. But what I told her,
I said, well, just becauseI know you your shape atverset or shape
(09:18):
sensitive, let's do this when allthe leaves are off the tree. I
said that lets us see the wholestructure, and it lets you not see
everything that's happening. That she appreciatedthat. I guarantee they did, and
they forgot again getting a tree that'sgonna be that's gonna be something that's gonna
(09:41):
last for generations. And that's agreat thing about working with Kevin and the
team at Ham's Harborcare. Whether you'replanting new and using the Legacy Trees Program
a fantastic opportunity there, or ofcourse looking for looking for care for your
established trees. Kevin and the teamat Ham's Harborcare, they'd love to talk
with you, they'd love to takea look at your trees. I gotta
do this mornings pick up phone gamea caall eight six six five nine six
(10:03):
five three nine six. That's eightsix six, five nine six five three
nine six online hams Arbercare dot com. That's hamms Arborcare dot com. Of
course, the other website, Gameof Trees dot com. That's Game of
Trees dot com. Great stuff topurchase. As a matter of fact,
I received a package just a coupleof days ago. Ordered some more soap
(10:24):
and UH and of course I orderedthat Reddit Game of Trees dot com.
Kevin, good luck on Friday.We'll be we'll be rooting for you and
keeping keeping an eye on the onthe results for that. You have a
fantastic Dan. We'll talk real soon. Thank you, Sean. Take care,
Kevin Ham hams Arborcare. We'll begoing to news next here on thirteen
ten dollars, will you I BA
H twenty three thirteen ten Wiba andask the experts. It's a beautiful late
summer morning. Looks like a fantasticday. Add great day to take a
moment to look up. Check outyour trees. Check out the trees that
you're seeing. Someone that's always lookingup at the trees is master arborist Kevin
Am. Of course, Kevin comesto us from hams Arborcare the website hams
(00:33):
Arborcare dot com. That's h Am MS Arborcare dot com. Telephone number
eight six six five nine six fivethree nine six. That's eight six six
five nine six five three nine six. Kevin. How you doing this morning.
I'm doing a great shown. I'mactually traveling up the freeway to Legacy
Trees Meeting, oh fie annual meeting, kind of discussing the year and the
(00:59):
four all in the future. AndI injected an ash tree already this morning,
that was on the way up here. It's been an active morning.
Sounds like a busy morning. It'salmost lunchtime. I can relate my friend.
Yeah, I'm get a lot donebefore the sunrise of myself. And
people say, wait, you're alreadyeating lunch. Oh yeah, it's uh,
(01:22):
it is lunch time. It's justsaying you're doing all of this stuff.
We're gonna talk about legacy trees injust a moment, but you're doing
all this stuff at the same time, training and getting ready for the Big
Tree Climbing Championship coming up in justa few days from now, yeah,
on Friday. And you know,it's kind of funny. I'll fast time
(01:44):
plot. You know, I wasthinking, I kind of had a Gideon
moment, if you know the storyin the in the Bible where Gideon,
you know, thought he needed tenthousand soldiers and he ended up getting it
done with three hundreds. Well,I thought I needed ten thousand hours of
practice, and now it's upon meand I haven't had ten thousand hours of
(02:09):
practice. So yeah, both Taylorand I, we've been real busy and
we're just like, you know what, We're just gonna go up there.
We're gonna have a good time.We're encouraged people. I'm bringing some merch.
You know, we're gonna give awayU T shirts to all the climbers.
We're gonna give away cooling towels anda bar of soap to all the
volunteers and we're donating a double ringspling, retrievable double ring splings. That's
(02:35):
kind of our signature product. AtGame of Trees and to they usually do
a raffle that ends up going tosomebody need, maybe an injured climber or
something. You know, I don'tknow what person will be in need this
year, but it goes to somegood cause. So you know, we're
doing some some cool stuff and we'regonna have fun with you know. Yes,
(03:00):
if we do well, that's abonus. And if you do really
well, it correct me if I'mwrong. It's like a lot of these
things. You move on to theh could you move on to the National
National the Internet? Yeah? So, and in Wisconsin here we do a
fall competition because we try to avoidthe oak wild season, and he represent
(03:23):
next first, so you kind ofget the throne for a year if you
win nice and so then next summerwe would go to the i SA International
Convention and compete there. Well that'and I've been there twice back in two
thousand and two thousand or two thousandand one and two thousand and two,
(03:44):
I represented. I got an allexpense paid trip to Milwaukee two thousand one.
Yes, and I got to Seattlein two thousand two. Oh nice,
that's better. Nothing against Milwaukee,but I you know, we get
there plenty here on here. That'llall be fantastic. Of course, we
(04:05):
talk about the event. You canlearn more of course online if fall Game
of Trees on Facebook and social media. Also their Game of Trees channel on
YouTube. Cool thing about that isKevin's going to be doing some filming as
well and putting together a really coolvideo about the event. If you haven't
checked out Game of Trees on YouTubetheir channel, make sure you check out
(04:25):
those videos. They're so cool,a lot of fun, very interesting content
as well, Like and subscribe tothem. Ham's Arborcare Game of Trees on
YouTube. And Kevin you mentioned you'reon your way up for your Legacy Trees
meeting. You guys get together andtalk about it. Let's talk about the
Legacy Trees program, something you guysare offering now at Ham's Arborcare, and
(04:46):
it is a fantastic way to geta fantastic tree and make sure that that
tree is going to grow and developproperly and making sure that it's getting the
proper care, especially in those earlyyears of life. Yeah, you know,
we've been kind of in an argument, not really an argument, but
you know, different points of philosophybetween nurserymen in arborus and finally in arborus.
(05:12):
Ron Zilmer, he's been in theindustry a long time, been an
educator, been a village or acity of Milwaukee Forrester, and and so
he's got a lot of experience,especially in planting trees in a large city
like that. And the biggest problemthey had in the city was attrition.
(05:33):
You know, it's just the plantingtrees. They die. Plant trees,
they die. Planting trees, theydie. And so he wanted to develop
a nursery that was going to startthe tree off right at the right depth
and not a lot of the nurseryprocesses. The tree gets deeper and deeper
in the rootball as the process goes, as it moves from container to container
(05:55):
or from field to field. Andyou know, the Legacy tree process is
just very controlled in that regard.Upgrading trees to larger sizes is systematic.
And then we provide a five yearwarranty. I mean that is unheard of
in the industry. Most is oneyear, and we offer a one year
(06:17):
if you don't want to buy theextra warranty, but the extra warranty is
of value because we're coming out andtouching that tree every year. You know,
we're going to be there and makesure that that tree is growing properly.
And you know, one of thethings that leads to a lot of
our tree work is trees that we'renot monitored very closely, and it leads
(06:40):
to poor structure and broken limbs.And you know, we we have a
lot of young trees around the areathat one weren't putting the ground right and
so they make an air tool thatwe have in a service we provide to
(07:01):
excavate the root flare of a tree, and we can do that with young
trees to see if there's girdling roots. We can do that with older trees
maybe they have been stricken by constructiondamage or soil compaction. And then we
do training pruney you know on alot of trees and a lot of these
trees that have been If you're ina subdevelopment that's ten years old, your
(07:27):
young trees, you think they're lookinggood. I was just down a house
yesterday and there's this tree also professionally, so they came in and the first
thing she said was, I don'twant this tree stripped up and all narrow,
and so I knew I had someeducated too. It's not that we
were going to make it super narrow, but I just knew that she needed
(07:49):
some information about how the training pruneywill go. Because to a new tree
owner, you know, every branchis pressed. Yeah, well, on
that new tree you just put onthe ground, every branch is temporary.
Like when that tree has grown,not a single branch on that new tree
(08:11):
is going to be there. Thinkof that. That's interest. Think of
that. Thought of that. Ever, they don't move up the trunk,
they don't get farther from the groundwhere they pop out of the trunk.
That's where they are. And sothose branches are going to be pruned and
weaned as the tree grows up.So if you've got a ten foot tall
(08:33):
tree that you're put in the ground, it you can easily have a ten
foot trunk on the mature tree.So virtually every branch on the tree is
just the juvenile branch. It's goingto be cut off. Kevin, my
mind's been blown this morning, bythe way, because I never thought of
that. But yeah, yeah,every single branch you're looking at that's so
(08:54):
precious to you as a new treeowner, is temporary. And and so
once I started explaining that to her, she's like, oh, well,
well, we want it done right, you know. And so it was
it was an easy sell in thatregard. But what I told her,
I said, well, just becauseI know you your shape atverset or shape
(09:18):
sensitive, let's do this when allthe leaves are off the tree. I
said that lets us see the wholestructure, and it lets you not see
everything that's happening. That she appreciatedthat. I guarantee they did, and
they forgot again getting a tree that'sgonna be that's gonna be something that's gonna
(09:41):
last for generations. And that's agreat thing about working with Kevin and the
team at Ham's Harborcare. Whether you'replanting new and using the Legacy Trees Program
a fantastic opportunity there, or ofcourse looking for looking for care for your
established trees. Kevin and the teamat Ham's Harborcare, they'd love to talk
with you, they'd love to takea look at your trees. I gotta
do this mornings pick up phone gamea caall eight six six five nine six
(10:03):
five three nine six. That's eightsix six, five nine six five three
nine six online hams Arbercare dot com. That's hamms Arborcare dot com. Of
course, the other website, Gameof Trees dot com. That's Game of
Trees dot com. Great stuff topurchase. As a matter of fact,
I received a package just a coupleof days ago. Ordered some more soap
(10:24):
and UH and of course I orderedthat Reddit Game of Trees dot com.
Kevin, good luck on Friday.We'll be we'll be rooting for you and
keeping keeping an eye on the onthe results for that. You have a
fantastic Dan. We'll talk real soon. Thank you, Sean. Take care,
Kevin Ham hams Arborcare. We'll begoing to news next here on thirteen
ten dollars, will you I BA
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