June 25, 2023 • 18 mins
Sah’Shey is an African American trans woman who performs drag shows in Southern California. She tells us how she grew up in a strict religious home and how she came out in school. She also talks about being the victim of a hate crime and how that experience opened her eyes to the real world.
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(00:00):
What's your your initial reaction to allthe chaos that's going on. I think
it's very unfortunate that is happening becausewhen I was a child, I would
wanted to see you know, peoplethat that I see myself as as you
(00:22):
know, helping us with education.And just like in school, we had
learned sex AD, but sex ADwas not even a curriculum anymore. It's
like, oh, you had tochoose it. So it's like, so
it's like, give that option tokids if you don't want it to be
in the curriculum. Give the kidsan option. Let them have lgbt Q
(00:44):
studies, you know, you know, so it's like everything that that we
worked for is being taken away.And that's not you know, just with
the LGBT community. That's also withthe black community, and they're not even
want to teach black history myth anymore. And like it's crazy how these you
know, these people are are beingignorant to things and not letting kids make
(01:06):
their own decisions. Like nobody's forcingstuff on children, but their parents are.
But how young slash old were youwhen you realized that you were different
than some of the other kids.So when I knew I was transum.
Growing up, I was always withlike my my cousins, the boys and
(01:27):
the girls. We never looked ateach other like, oh, who's male
and whose seam? When we justknew that each other's names, but we
didn't see it. When I see, like my my girl Carson started developing
and I wasn't doing getting the samething they were, that's when I knew
I was different. So um,I could have transitioned then, but I
(01:52):
wasn't ready for all that yet becausehearing, you know, as I got
older, hearing you know how howhard it was for people to even get
that, and especially with the surgeries, and it's like, I don't think
that's It's like I don't want todie like under the table, you know,
I don't want to get something badand then get sick from it if
it's not one hundred percent to whereit was. And then I helped raisk
(02:15):
my little cousins. So I justwaited untill they were older before I had
transitioned. So when do all that, I was trying to educate and I
grew up in the city called WestKomina. Everybody was very accepting of me,
so I never really had I had. I was in one hay crime,
(02:36):
but I was protected by my schooland and people on my block and
all that, like they were protectingme from from that, so that didn't
happen again. So that's why Ifelt like I had to educate people.
And seeing what I started at myschool and started out here, everything's changing
because people want to take away dragcream reading to children because they feel like
(02:58):
they're they're teaching the children to bea dragon when they're reading a book is
ridiculous to me. So let's goback. So when you were talking about
this, this point in your lifewhen you realized you when you say your
your biological parts started to grow anddevelop, then you realized something was different
about you. But how old wereyou at that time? Once? I
(03:20):
was nine nine? Yeah, okay. So then when you say you realized
you wanted to hold off on theon transitioning, at what point in your
adult life or when you were stilla child did you decide now it's the
time, um, to be honest, like when I felt like I was
ready for it, When when mylife came to where I could, you
(03:44):
know, like take care of myselfand still be able to pay for my
medicines and all that, and it'sto be comfortable and that. I didn't
want to be one of those transwomen where they had to to prostitute to
transition, and I had the bestand which I called her like my drag
mother. She's she's trans too.She didn't want me to go through that
(04:04):
either. So I just awaited untilI was financially ready. And I was
already there mentally, so I didn'tneed all that. But that's why I
waited mainly. So how old wereyou when you transitioned? I want to
say I was thirty one. Yeah, I'm thirty seven. I got thirty
(04:28):
one. It's been six years sinceI transition. Yeah, going back to
when you said you experienced to hatecrime when you were in school, was
to hate crime because of you beingtransgender? Or was to hate crime because
of being African Americans? Um,I believe it was the transgender thing.
But even though I wasn't dressed likea girl at the time, I mean,
people knew that that was going tobe the outcome. So with the
(04:53):
with the court, they just madeit I hate crime of being gay because
they couldn't say I was transition itbecause I didn't transition at the time,
so, um, that's what itwas for. And um, it was
two guys that one of them wentto high school with and one of them
was best friends with mine. Uh, it was my best friend, Tiffany's
boyfriend, and he and Tiffany's boyfriendbet the other guy to hit me in
(05:16):
my face and then they took offrunning after they did that. It's like
everybody was looking for them after that, and they turned themselves in or one
of them turned themself in, likeone of them got caught or something like
that. Um, and one ofthem ended up being bisexual, and so
you know, we didn't want that, like, like it came out after
(05:39):
the court thing, so he couldhave tried to get you know, argue
that it's not a hate crime becauseit because people have did that before too.
So but but he the one whohit me, wasn't the one that
was bisexual, so it would haveworked for him anyways. So then are
you are you fully? Have yougone through the transition completely? Now I'm
(05:59):
just on hormones right now, Yeah, what's the what's the often goal?
Um, I'm wonderfully transition when thebottom searches correct and like we're like,
I mean it's it's better now,but I don't want any complications because they're
still still having complications for either transwoman or transmitt Like I wanted to be
(06:20):
like one hundred percent, like Ilike if I was just going for plastic
surgery or something like that, youknow, in more of just a curiosity
question. I hear stories about peoplethat take off to other countries and have
the procedures done, like that,is this something you want to do in
the US or is it something yougonna do outside the country. Um,
(06:43):
I haven't thought about it yet.My cousin Nikki wants me to go to
Thailand to do it. Um,which I get it because that's where like
the safest place is to get itbecause they're very specialized in it. That's
a lot of money and I haveto After that surgery, you're like down
for like I want to say,I think they said it was like a
moth or something. I'm not sure. Don't call me on that one,
(07:04):
but they're down for a minute.They have to go to like a transitional
housing to where like people help you, and it's a lot of stuff that
you have to prep and and allthat, and it's like I mean that's
a lot of money. Looking backat lifestyle and you, when you think
about in the schools and you weregrowing up, you said that you didn't
(07:25):
really have any information about what youwere going through or nor education. Where
did you learn about being transgender?And eventually when did you get the information
you felt was comfortable for you andaccurate for you. Um out of high
school when I started doing drag,I started hanging around other trans women and
(07:46):
they educated me who I am.They were always like, like, oh,
you're one of the girls. Iwas like, what do you mean.
They're like, you know, oneof the girls. I was like
a drag queen. They're like,yeah, we know you're a dracting,
but we know that you're a sister. And I was like, I was
like yeah, Like I always knewthat I was supposed to be a girl,
(08:07):
but I didn't know what to callit at the time, because I
grew up in a a Southern BaptistChurch family that's still accepting, Like I
never had really had issues with it, well besides with my sisters, but
they're over right now. But eventhen, growing up like they they didn't
(08:31):
teach us that that God does notlove you because you're you know, homosexual
or heterosexual. Like, he doesn'tsee that. He just sees the person
out if you're a bad person,and yes, you're going to here like
that's how we were taught, youknow, and they taught us the Bible.
So just in case somebody tries tocome at that's the wrong way with
(08:52):
it, we know how to getback with that. So show um going
all this, you say you onlyexperienced the one hate crime in high school.
But what now with all of thisin the news, are you afraid
of the backlash that's happening in alot of the I mean, look what
happened at Dodger Stadium. Look whathappened at the school board meetings in Glendale
(09:15):
and North Hollywood in Temecula. Imean, some people are very very angry
over what they say is their childrenbeing indoctrinated into your lifestyle at an early
age. And what would you tellthese parents. I would tell their parents,
your kids are not being forced tolearn something that they're not interested in.
(09:37):
Its interested in. A child's goingto tell you what they're interested in.
If you just listen to your childand listen to your child of what
their needs are, you may notthink they know about things. But I'm
a perfect example of me knowing ata young age where my mind was at.
No. I grew up in nothingbut church around church people I was.
(10:00):
I didn't grow up around the gaycommunity. I had a gay uncle,
but he was in the church andhe died when I was little,
So like I wasn't around that,I wasn't taught that. It wasn't put
onto me. So it's not somethingthat is put on. If a child
says that that's who they are,that's who they are. Like I get
children go through phases of you know, like oh I want to be Barbarie
(10:20):
one day or something like that.Well until the child child, she's different.
Just take it as that. Likeif your child says, oh,
I feel like you know, I'ma girl today, if she If the
child changes their mind when they getolder, that's the child's choice. It's
not your choice and somebody else's choiceto tell a child you know who they
(10:43):
are. But some parents would arguewith you, when a child is eight
or nine years old, does thateight or nine year old rollin know what's
best for them? A child doesnot know what's best for them, but
a child knows who they are andhow they feel. It's like it's their
feeling. It's like you're doing moredetriment to your child then depriving them from
what they want. Now, doI believe that it's a child's choice.
(11:11):
Yes, I do believe that it'sa child's choice. There's some things that
anything that has to do with anadult, a child shouldn't have to go
through that at that age. Buta drag queen is not teaching a child
sex and or anything like that.It's just a human being in a costume
reading stories. You know. It'slike you guys, you know, like
(11:35):
the straight community allows medea children watchmedia, so you think media is teaching
kids to be a drag queen.No, You've had a lot of people
like Roger Rabbit was in drag allthe time, like they forget that,
they forget that stuff. They're straightmen that I used to go see RuPaul
back in the nineties and even saidthat they're straight. There wasn't trying to
(11:56):
get that RuPaul, but they justleft, you know, like the entertainment
of it, and RuPaul wasn't goingaround like being you know, like nasty
or anything like that. There's manypeople actors in the world that that you
know, like change theirs, theirum, their look for certain roles.
(12:24):
Look at Shakespeare that women can playin place, then some men were playing
women roles. What are you gonnatell your kids about Shakespeare? Oh,
don't listen to don't read Shakespeare,because those are homosexuals in in girl clothes
like you know. So, Ithink people need to really evaluate themselves and
(12:46):
then valuate the situation of what thechild's going through. If a drag queen
is just reading a story book tothem, that's different. Now somebody's saying,
Now, if this person, nomatter if they're trans or a drag
queen or a gay man or astraight man or a woman or whoever to
(13:09):
identify as or whatever gender is,if you see them touching the child in
the wrong way, then you thenyou should be aligned and have an issue
with it. But if somebody's readinga story that they did not write,
they're reading them a children at Disney, a Disney story, you shouldn't have
an issue with them. Somebody readinga book to a child like it makes
(13:33):
that's not teaching kids nothing. Theonly thing that's teaching them is the book
itself. You know. Then whatabout California being very unique in this,
But there are laws now that areempowering children to not only make their own
decisions, but have the state payfor gender firming care h you know,
(13:56):
puberty blockers, things of that nature. Do you support that is as a
state law? I do support itbecause there's some families out there who who
are not who don't have the fundsto do that themselves for their children.
So it gives it gives them thatpeople don't have to believe in what a
(14:18):
transpersion is. But the people whodo, and the people who have who
have children or older children or themselveslike don't have the money for that transition,
then they should have that option.This is America's supposed to be free
for everybody, you know, ButAmerica is too busy trying to take away
(14:39):
things from from from the LGBT communityand people of color, of all colors,
and and they're and even their ownkind that's in the hood, like
they're trying to take away from themtoo. Like it's like everybody is just
not safe in America right now becauseit's too it's too disconnected. Like growing
(15:03):
up, I just never understood whypeople argued about politics or religion when commonsense
tells you that you're not supposed tobelieve what the next person believes in,
but you still can come to anagreement to somehow. So like I just
I would never get it at allif you had a chance to tell these
(15:24):
parents, all these parents who areout there just chanting and screaming, leave
our children alone. I mean,what would be your message to that group
of parents If you really feel theway that you that you do, that
you don't want your child around thatcommunity. That's fine, you don't have
(15:45):
to bring them in that house.But when you're in public space and people
are are there getting paid or volunteeringtheir time to do stuff like this,
you cannot tell somebody how to dotheir job. But what they're what they're
doing is right, right or wrong. Like you can do that on your
own personal time in your in yourown house. U as a parent are
(16:10):
also the teacher, because there's there'skids out there who was told better,
but they're in the streets being gangmembers and stuff, and so it's the
same thing to me, Like youteach your child what you want, how
you think you feel your child tobe raised. When your child gets older
and then they'll choose what they wantto do. But it's not your place
to tell another grown adult that theycan't they don't take your child to the
(16:34):
library. There saying like, don'ttake your child to places, public places
that you know that there's going tobe people that you don't like there.
Stay home, read them a butt. But this is a public space.
This is not your own private business, this is not this is You don't
have no say on what people doin their own on their own business or
(16:56):
in public public places. I justthought of something else I wanted to just
clarify. Do you feel like overthe years you've been discriminated against more because
of your color or more because ofyour lifestyle? So I don't call minds
a lifestyle because trans is a gender, not a sexuality. Because how you
(17:19):
let me rephrase the question, doyou feel like you have been discriminated against
over your life more because of yourgender or more because of your color,
both equally equally? Because me,it's kind of like I'm a trouble threat.
I'm black, I'm trans, andI'm a woman. Black women have
been sexualized since since slavery, andtrans women are treated the same way,
(17:42):
Like if we're like a sex toyor something like that. Aided with my
color. People think that they're betterthan or they can speak to accessary type
of way, or that we're noteducated, or we get the angry black
woman attitude all the time. Butpeople forget to realize how people of color
(18:07):
acts is from the influence from theiroppressors. Because people Africans don't act like
black people. There's like they're liketo two different people, just like Europeans
don't act like Americans, like theirtooth. It's all something taught. It's
how I see it, So ifthat makes sense, He said, She
(18:33):
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What's your your initial reaction to allthe chaos that's going on. I think
it's very unfortunate that is happening becausewhen I was a child, I would
wanted to see you know, peoplethat that I see myself as as you
(00:22):
know, helping us with education.And just like in school, we had
learned sex AD, but sex ADwas not even a curriculum anymore. It's
like, oh, you had tochoose it. So it's like, so
it's like, give that option tokids if you don't want it to be
in the curriculum. Give the kidsan option. Let them have lgbt Q
(00:44):
studies, you know, you know, so it's like everything that that we
worked for is being taken away.And that's not you know, just with
the LGBT community. That's also withthe black community, and they're not even
want to teach black history myth anymore. And like it's crazy how these you
know, these people are are beingignorant to things and not letting kids make
(01:06):
their own decisions. Like nobody's forcingstuff on children, but their parents are.
But how young slash old were youwhen you realized that you were different
than some of the other kids.So when I knew I was transum.
Growing up, I was always withlike my my cousins, the boys and
(01:27):
the girls. We never looked ateach other like, oh, who's male
and whose seam? When we justknew that each other's names, but we
didn't see it. When I see, like my my girl Carson started developing
and I wasn't doing getting the samething they were, that's when I knew
I was different. So um,I could have transitioned then, but I
(01:52):
wasn't ready for all that yet becausehearing, you know, as I got
older, hearing you know how howhard it was for people to even get
that, and especially with the surgeries, and it's like, I don't think
that's It's like I don't want todie like under the table, you know,
I don't want to get something badand then get sick from it if
it's not one hundred percent to whereit was. And then I helped raisk
(02:15):
my little cousins. So I justwaited untill they were older before I had
transitioned. So when do all that, I was trying to educate and I
grew up in the city called WestKomina. Everybody was very accepting of me,
so I never really had I had. I was in one hay crime,
(02:36):
but I was protected by my schooland and people on my block and
all that, like they were protectingme from from that, so that didn't
happen again. So that's why Ifelt like I had to educate people.
And seeing what I started at myschool and started out here, everything's changing
because people want to take away dragcream reading to children because they feel like
(02:58):
they're they're teaching the children to bea dragon when they're reading a book is
ridiculous to me. So let's goback. So when you were talking about
this, this point in your lifewhen you realized you when you say your
your biological parts started to grow anddevelop, then you realized something was different
about you. But how old wereyou at that time? Once? I
(03:20):
was nine nine? Yeah, okay. So then when you say you realized
you wanted to hold off on theon transitioning, at what point in your
adult life or when you were stilla child did you decide now it's the
time, um, to be honest, like when I felt like I was
ready for it, When when mylife came to where I could, you
(03:44):
know, like take care of myselfand still be able to pay for my
medicines and all that, and it'sto be comfortable and that. I didn't
want to be one of those transwomen where they had to to prostitute to
transition, and I had the bestand which I called her like my drag
mother. She's she's trans too.She didn't want me to go through that
(04:04):
either. So I just awaited untilI was financially ready. And I was
already there mentally, so I didn'tneed all that. But that's why I
waited mainly. So how old wereyou when you transitioned? I want to
say I was thirty one. Yeah, I'm thirty seven. I got thirty
(04:28):
one. It's been six years sinceI transition. Yeah, going back to
when you said you experienced to hatecrime when you were in school, was
to hate crime because of you beingtransgender? Or was to hate crime because
of being African Americans? Um,I believe it was the transgender thing.
But even though I wasn't dressed likea girl at the time, I mean,
people knew that that was going tobe the outcome. So with the
(04:53):
with the court, they just madeit I hate crime of being gay because
they couldn't say I was transition itbecause I didn't transition at the time,
so, um, that's what itwas for. And um, it was
two guys that one of them wentto high school with and one of them
was best friends with mine. Uh, it was my best friend, Tiffany's
boyfriend, and he and Tiffany's boyfriendbet the other guy to hit me in
(05:16):
my face and then they took offrunning after they did that. It's like
everybody was looking for them after that, and they turned themselves in or one
of them turned themself in, likeone of them got caught or something like
that. Um, and one ofthem ended up being bisexual, and so
you know, we didn't want that, like, like it came out after
(05:39):
the court thing, so he couldhave tried to get you know, argue
that it's not a hate crime becauseit because people have did that before too.
So but but he the one whohit me, wasn't the one that
was bisexual, so it would haveworked for him anyways. So then are
you are you fully? Have yougone through the transition completely? Now I'm
(05:59):
just on hormones right now, Yeah, what's the what's the often goal?
Um, I'm wonderfully transition when thebottom searches correct and like we're like,
I mean it's it's better now,but I don't want any complications because they're
still still having complications for either transwoman or transmitt Like I wanted to be
(06:20):
like one hundred percent, like Ilike if I was just going for plastic
surgery or something like that, youknow, in more of just a curiosity
question. I hear stories about peoplethat take off to other countries and have
the procedures done, like that,is this something you want to do in
the US or is it something yougonna do outside the country. Um,
(06:43):
I haven't thought about it yet.My cousin Nikki wants me to go to
Thailand to do it. Um,which I get it because that's where like
the safest place is to get itbecause they're very specialized in it. That's
a lot of money and I haveto After that surgery, you're like down
for like I want to say,I think they said it was like a
moth or something. I'm not sure. Don't call me on that one,
(07:04):
but they're down for a minute.They have to go to like a transitional
housing to where like people help you, and it's a lot of stuff that
you have to prep and and allthat, and it's like I mean that's
a lot of money. Looking backat lifestyle and you, when you think
about in the schools and you weregrowing up, you said that you didn't
(07:25):
really have any information about what youwere going through or nor education. Where
did you learn about being transgender?And eventually when did you get the information
you felt was comfortable for you andaccurate for you. Um out of high
school when I started doing drag,I started hanging around other trans women and
(07:46):
they educated me who I am.They were always like, like, oh,
you're one of the girls. Iwas like, what do you mean.
They're like, you know, oneof the girls. I was like
a drag queen. They're like,yeah, we know you're a dracting,
but we know that you're a sister. And I was like, I was
like yeah, Like I always knewthat I was supposed to be a girl,
(08:07):
but I didn't know what to callit at the time, because I
grew up in a a Southern BaptistChurch family that's still accepting, Like I
never had really had issues with it, well besides with my sisters, but
they're over right now. But eventhen, growing up like they they didn't
(08:31):
teach us that that God does notlove you because you're you know, homosexual
or heterosexual. Like, he doesn'tsee that. He just sees the person
out if you're a bad person,and yes, you're going to here like
that's how we were taught, youknow, and they taught us the Bible.
So just in case somebody tries tocome at that's the wrong way with
(08:52):
it, we know how to getback with that. So show um going
all this, you say you onlyexperienced the one hate crime in high school.
But what now with all of thisin the news, are you afraid
of the backlash that's happening in alot of the I mean, look what
happened at Dodger Stadium. Look whathappened at the school board meetings in Glendale
(09:15):
and North Hollywood in Temecula. Imean, some people are very very angry
over what they say is their childrenbeing indoctrinated into your lifestyle at an early
age. And what would you tellthese parents. I would tell their parents,
your kids are not being forced tolearn something that they're not interested in.
(09:37):
Its interested in. A child's goingto tell you what they're interested in.
If you just listen to your childand listen to your child of what
their needs are, you may notthink they know about things. But I'm
a perfect example of me knowing ata young age where my mind was at.
No. I grew up in nothingbut church around church people I was.
(10:00):
I didn't grow up around the gaycommunity. I had a gay uncle,
but he was in the church andhe died when I was little,
So like I wasn't around that,I wasn't taught that. It wasn't put
onto me. So it's not somethingthat is put on. If a child
says that that's who they are,that's who they are. Like I get
children go through phases of you know, like oh I want to be Barbarie
(10:20):
one day or something like that.Well until the child child, she's different.
Just take it as that. Likeif your child says, oh,
I feel like you know, I'ma girl today, if she If the
child changes their mind when they getolder, that's the child's choice. It's
not your choice and somebody else's choiceto tell a child you know who they
(10:43):
are. But some parents would arguewith you, when a child is eight
or nine years old, does thateight or nine year old rollin know what's
best for them? A child doesnot know what's best for them, but
a child knows who they are andhow they feel. It's like it's their
feeling. It's like you're doing moredetriment to your child then depriving them from
what they want. Now, doI believe that it's a child's choice.
(11:11):
Yes, I do believe that it'sa child's choice. There's some things that
anything that has to do with anadult, a child shouldn't have to go
through that at that age. Buta drag queen is not teaching a child
sex and or anything like that.It's just a human being in a costume
reading stories. You know. It'slike you guys, you know, like
(11:35):
the straight community allows medea children watchmedia, so you think media is teaching
kids to be a drag queen.No, You've had a lot of people
like Roger Rabbit was in drag allthe time, like they forget that,
they forget that stuff. They're straightmen that I used to go see RuPaul
back in the nineties and even saidthat they're straight. There wasn't trying to
(11:56):
get that RuPaul, but they justleft, you know, like the entertainment
of it, and RuPaul wasn't goingaround like being you know, like nasty
or anything like that. There's manypeople actors in the world that that you
know, like change theirs, theirum, their look for certain roles.
(12:24):
Look at Shakespeare that women can playin place, then some men were playing
women roles. What are you gonnatell your kids about Shakespeare? Oh,
don't listen to don't read Shakespeare,because those are homosexuals in in girl clothes
like you know. So, Ithink people need to really evaluate themselves and
(12:46):
then valuate the situation of what thechild's going through. If a drag queen
is just reading a story book tothem, that's different. Now somebody's saying,
Now, if this person, nomatter if they're trans or a drag
queen or a gay man or astraight man or a woman or whoever to
(13:09):
identify as or whatever gender is,if you see them touching the child in
the wrong way, then you thenyou should be aligned and have an issue
with it. But if somebody's readinga story that they did not write,
they're reading them a children at Disney, a Disney story, you shouldn't have
an issue with them. Somebody readinga book to a child like it makes
(13:33):
that's not teaching kids nothing. Theonly thing that's teaching them is the book
itself. You know. Then whatabout California being very unique in this,
But there are laws now that areempowering children to not only make their own
decisions, but have the state payfor gender firming care h you know,
(13:56):
puberty blockers, things of that nature. Do you support that is as a
state law? I do support itbecause there's some families out there who who
are not who don't have the fundsto do that themselves for their children.
So it gives it gives them thatpeople don't have to believe in what a
(14:18):
transpersion is. But the people whodo, and the people who have who
have children or older children or themselveslike don't have the money for that transition,
then they should have that option.This is America's supposed to be free
for everybody, you know, ButAmerica is too busy trying to take away
(14:39):
things from from from the LGBT communityand people of color, of all colors,
and and they're and even their ownkind that's in the hood, like
they're trying to take away from themtoo. Like it's like everybody is just
not safe in America right now becauseit's too it's too disconnected. Like growing
(15:03):
up, I just never understood whypeople argued about politics or religion when commonsense
tells you that you're not supposed tobelieve what the next person believes in,
but you still can come to anagreement to somehow. So like I just
I would never get it at allif you had a chance to tell these
(15:24):
parents, all these parents who areout there just chanting and screaming, leave
our children alone. I mean,what would be your message to that group
of parents If you really feel theway that you that you do, that
you don't want your child around thatcommunity. That's fine, you don't have
(15:45):
to bring them in that house.But when you're in public space and people
are are there getting paid or volunteeringtheir time to do stuff like this,
you cannot tell somebody how to dotheir job. But what they're what they're
doing is right, right or wrong. Like you can do that on your
own personal time in your in yourown house. U as a parent are
(16:10):
also the teacher, because there's there'skids out there who was told better,
but they're in the streets being gangmembers and stuff, and so it's the
same thing to me, Like youteach your child what you want, how
you think you feel your child tobe raised. When your child gets older
and then they'll choose what they wantto do. But it's not your place
to tell another grown adult that theycan't they don't take your child to the
(16:34):
library. There saying like, don'ttake your child to places, public places
that you know that there's going tobe people that you don't like there.
Stay home, read them a butt. But this is a public space.
This is not your own private business, this is not this is You don't
have no say on what people doin their own on their own business or
(16:56):
in public public places. I justthought of something else I wanted to just
clarify. Do you feel like overthe years you've been discriminated against more because
of your color or more because ofyour lifestyle? So I don't call minds
a lifestyle because trans is a gender, not a sexuality. Because how you
(17:19):
let me rephrase the question, doyou feel like you have been discriminated against
over your life more because of yourgender or more because of your color,
both equally equally? Because me,it's kind of like I'm a trouble threat.
I'm black, I'm trans, andI'm a woman. Black women have
been sexualized since since slavery, andtrans women are treated the same way,
(17:42):
Like if we're like a sex toyor something like that. Aided with my
color. People think that they're betterthan or they can speak to accessary type
of way, or that we're noteducated, or we get the angry black
woman attitude all the time. Butpeople forget to realize how people of color
(18:07):
acts is from the influence from theiroppressors. Because people Africans don't act like
black people. There's like they're liketo two different people, just like Europeans
don't act like Americans, like theirtooth. It's all something taught. It's
how I see it, So ifthat makes sense, He said, She
(18:33):
said? They Said is a productionof the KFIE News Department for iHeartMedia,
Los Angeles and is produced by SteveGregory and Jacob Gonzalez. The associate producer
is Nick Paliocchini and the field engineeris Tony Sarantino.
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