"He Said She Said They Said"

This is a composite version of the KFI/iHeartRadio News Special "He Said, She Said, They Said" for people who want to hear both sides of the issue in one episode.

Episode Transcript

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A f I am six forty liveeverywhere on the iHeartRadio app. I s
Tree agree. You are sick?You are? You are? I don't

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wonderful. There's kids are steps.I disagree with the fact that a kindergarten
should not have to be educated onthis. There comes a time and a
place where they all do need thateducation, but kindergarten an elementary is not

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the place. I think it stemsfrom a lack of understanding of what it
really is to be a homosexual.Like it's literally just about sex. That's
it. That's not really anybody's businessin my opinion. Ah here they crime.

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There is now a war on childrenhappening within our kade through twelve school
systems. Why we want to loveour child here and now, and whatever
happens in the future will happen inthe future, and we'll deal with it.
Then. The here and now isthis child sitting with us and looking
to be loved and accepting it.I can say with full certainty back curriculum

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did not make me queer? Whywonderful? For the first time in the

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history of the US Census, questionswere asked about sexual orientation and gender identity
in the twenty twenty one, surveyresults show two point seven million Californians identified
as LGBTQ plus, the largest inthe country. So it shouldn't be a
big surprise that lawmakers in the stateare more likely to draft and pass legislation
that favors the needs and rights ofthe LGBTQ plus community. But when it

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comes to the kids of California,who should have more of a say in
their early development, educators or parentsor a combination of the two. And
when it comes to non traditional familiesand lifestyles, should a school counselor or
teacher explain transgenderism to an elementary schoolstudent or should that be left up to
the parents. I'm Steve Gregory andthis is the KFI News special. He

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said, She said, They said. June second, twenty twenty three,
parents gather in front of Satikoi ElementarySchool in North Hollywood to protest a pride
Daslake where a book would be readthat explains some families have two moms and
some have two dads. This schoolofficial was also in the crowd. There

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is one sentence in the book.It is many pages, but the one
sentence says some families have two momsand some have two dads. It also
talks about some families are raised bytheir grandparents, some are raised with just
one parents. So it's one referenceto the existence of lgbtwo two families.
And this is one of the manyparents when we went to the educators and
we said, what are you goingto tell my child when he comes to

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you and says, you know,I have a mommy and a daddy.
What does it mean to have todaddies? My mommy was pregnant with me?
Which daddy was pregnant? How didthe daddy have a baby? None
of them were able to answer ourquestions. We as parents have the right
to be able to determine when andwhere the appropriate study gets to our children
to learn about that. It's avery next LA Unified School Board meeting,

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board president Jackie Goldberg spoke about theprotest. I am very tired of having
young people and adults in the LGBTcommunity. Here are three days of yelling
and screaming about this. What doyou think that did to them? What
do you think that did to everygay teacher, every gay custodian, every

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gay worker in this city, everygay kid. What do you think that
did to them. He had madethem afraid. It made them afraid.
How dare you make them afraid becauseyou are. I'm sorry. I told
you this was personal. I wentthrough with this. My son was harassed
because he had two mommies, butmy grandchildren aren't. That's progress. But

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I say to all of you,nobody in this district will ever ever sexualize
any kid for any reason in anyclassroom in any way, shape or form.
And those of you who believe thatthis might happen are allowed to read
the curriculum material else are invited intothe assemblies with your children are invited not

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to have your children go to theassemblies. I do not believe in forcing
a parent to have a child attendassembly that they feel would be violating their
values. That's fine with me.We don't all have to agree. In
fact, none of us all agree. George J. Bryan's two children go

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to Sadiquois Elementary and he was therethat day. The purpose of the protest
was lack of transparency. We hadto find out the curriculum the assembly on
our own without having any knowledge ofit. After we had knowledge of it,
we wanted to opt out from theassembly, which was basically an introduction
to LGBTQ, which we are absolutelyagainst. We think that it's a parent's

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choice when that's introduced to their childrenat what stage in their life at you
know how much they their age hasa lot to do with it, in
our opinion, So we felt thatit was not the right time for that
to be a ought to elementary students. So when we asked to have an

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option to opt out of this assembly, we were never given one. So
we tried to go through them numberof number of times. Unfortunately we were
unsuccessful. Once the once it actuallybroke out and people were just finding out
obviously, but there were more parentsadding on, and it became it became

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a movement where everyone was kind ofjoining because they obviously didn't want their children
to attend either. And once wehad some traction where we had some media
coverage, we were threatening to protestbecause obviously they just didn't want to hear
us out. That's when, aftermedia coverage then they came to us and

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said, you know, we'll giveyou a religious exemption, and we of
course had trouble with that as well, because we don't believe that this is
a religious matter as much as itis. I can see that point of
view as well, But there's moralsand there's a lot of other religions besides
Christianity that don't believe that this shouldbe taught to elementary students. So it's

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more of morals than anything else.We think. Did you as a parent
group have any success with the districtNot that we can see so far.
So this issue is far from beingresolved. It had happened at not such
a advantageous time because schools were closing, So we haven't gotten too much feedback

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from the board yet. We havea lot of questions that have not been
answered yet, and we're still onthe waiting terms to see what exactly is
that they're going to propose to us, because obviously next year they're adding more
and more curriculums of the LGBTQ agendaand it's just going to create more crashes

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and more clashes than what they're anticipating. Well, what do you think is
at play here then, George,I mean, what do you think there
are kids that are either afraid togo to their parents with their concerns,
or they're going through some sort ofa problem or a challenge or things like
that, and they feel like thatthe school needs to be a place for
them to learn that if they sochoose, what do you say to that?

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I completely disagree because as a responsibleparent, I see the trouble that
my child faces before the school cansee it, and as a responsible parent,
I need to address it on abasis of basically like a one on
one thing with my child instead ofa whole introduction to five to six hundred

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students that have absolutely no interest orwhatsoever in that curriculum. When a academy
is failing so miserably, for thisto be an agenda is completely irresponsible.
What happens next? You say you'rein kind of a holding pattern? The
school board president Jackie Goldberg said ata school board meeting that she says that

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you folks all had options and thatyou didn't exercise those options. You know,
that was completely misrepresented by miss Squilberg. I don't know if she has
the full details or if she's misrepresentingthis on her own, but those options,
that religious exemption was not given tous until we had media coverage that

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we're protesting, So that is definitelymisrepresented. Steve, you can hear our
full interview with George on the hesaid, she said, they said,
podcast on the iHeartRadio app k IAm six forty live everywhere on the iHeartRadio
app. This is the Kfine Newsspecial. He said. She said,

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they said, thank you for joiningus. I'm Steve Gregory. Some students
we recently spoke with say they wishedthey had LGBTQ plus resources when they were
in school. C is eighteen yearsold and recently graduated from high school.
CE identifies as non binary and transgender. I came out sophomore year of high

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school. At that point, Iknow, and I've been transfer about two
to three years, and that wasin the middle of the pandemic, so
it was twenty twenty one, andI luckily at the time there was a
huge surgeons of non binary people onlinebeing very visible, and so people were
not as weirded out as they wereabout as weirded out by non binary people

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as they were even twelve months ago. So that made my life significantly easier.
And I just had amazing teachers.I only had one teacher who ever,
gave me like real trouble about it. The problems really only started arising
when I came back to school inperson. So, according to California law,

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were required to have gender neutral restroomson your campus as well as gender
neutral changing rooms, and that hadbeen law for a significant period of time
by the time I came on campus, and they did not want to give
me one. How many others weresharing the same situation as you. Yeah,

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so I was not the only trans, especially gender queer person at the
school. There were, I meanI worked with at least three other kids
consistently throughout the years I was there. And then also there are a lot
of queer kids who look visibly queer, not in a not that they're trans,
but they look queer. Well,you gotta help me understand what does

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that mean When they say they lookqueer. They may be gender nonconforming,
so that means they may wear moremasculine clothing if they're women, or feminine
clothing if they're men. Their hairmight be a little bit different. It's
just kind of a situation where theyare a little bit more outlandish, but
not in a bad way with theirclothing or their look and their mannerisms.

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And it's not always safe to bein restrooms when you are visibly different.
Sure, and at this time Andhow old were you at this time.
The first time I had a meetingwith a with an administrator about this,
I was sixteen. And how didthe administrator treat you? They were sweet.

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They my administrators have always been verysweet, very kind. They just
don't they don't do what they needto do. They'll give excuses, they'll
say, oh, we'll do it, and then they won't, or they'll
kind of be borderline condescending. Theyjust won't comply with the law. And
has that changed since then? No, if I heard you correctly, you

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realized you were transgender non binary inyour middle school years. Yeah, I
was in eighth grade grade. Sothen at this time in a young person's
life, they're going through all kindsof changes. What about dating? Did
you have any issues with dating atthat point? I have never dated.
I just never was an interest ofmine. I think I had a crush

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on a girl in middle school,I'm pretty sure, but it's just not
something that has ever been something thatI've done or even really pursued strongly.
Lately in the news, I'm sureyou've you've been seeing a lot of these
protests between parents and school boards andand you know, Glendale into Mecula,
North Hollywood. First of all,your initial thoughts about what you see happening,

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and then let's dig a little deeperafter that. Yeah, So,
what we've been seeing over the pastsix months especially, is a trend of
really alarming, scary bills and increasinganti trans sentiment in the United States.
They are trying to outlaw transgender people, and they're doing it in kind of

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a slow manner, but it's causingreal damaging effects, not just in southern
conservative states like a lot of themedia is pushing, but here in California
as well. Just a couple ofweeks ago, there was a violent protest
where kids were hosting a Pride eventat their public high school and they were

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physically attacked by far right protesters highschool students, and it's it's really scary,
and it's it's not it's no wayacceptable. What would you tell those
parents about that curriculum with books andinstruction and teachers who might identify as non

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binary, queer, transgender, Whatdo you tell parents that don't want any
of that in their schools. I'dsay that number one, I can say
with full certainty that curriculum did notmake me queer. I was raised in
the Evangelical Church. I am stilla very strong Christian. I was taught

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about marriage and having a biblical monogamousheterosexual marriage and a strong identity in biblical
womanhood. It was emphasized very veryvery strongly all throughout my childhood, all
throughout middle school. And it didn'twork. Not that I didn't want to

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have this picturesque, perfect Christian life, but I just I couldn't have it.
It wasn't me. There's nothing thatI could do to change the fact
that I was trans or that Iwas queer. And I actually I didn't
have access to queer curriculum, queereducation up until maybe my seventh grade year,

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and that led to some really severemental health struggles around the age of
ten and eleven. Um that reallyuprooted my life and my family's life.
I couldn't go to school, um, I couldn't really leave the house.
It was it was really serious.UM. So I was going through these

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things and understanding and internalizing a lotof problems around my queerness without ever being
introduced to queerness. Um, noteven in shows, not on TV,
not really by by now, becauseit's been mainstream for a long time.
So you didn't have any exposure.Um, so I had. I can

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remember by the time often I hadtwo times where I had ever seen queer
people. The existen of gud peoplehad been brought up. Um once was
um, I mightbe not even noteven then. The legalization of gay marriage
is the first time I remember lookingat like a new My mom got the
New Yorker magazine and I came inand it had a picture of a queer

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couple kissing on the front, andI was like, what's going on here?
My mom was like, well,it's gay marriage was legalized in the
United States. And then there wasin the fourth grade, I went to
Canada. I visited Canada and therewas an advertisement on a billboard and had
two gay men kissing, and Iremember seeing that being like, oh gay
people, and that those are Thoseare the two times the first times I

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remember, and it was at leastlike ten eleven. Yeah. So for
me when I see this worry aboutcurriculum, I just think of like the
fact that all the curriculum I had, all the learning and the pressure and
the teachings and the role models ofmy life that I had who were in
really healthy, strong, heterosexual marriageswho lived this modest, pure quote unquote

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pure Christian life. All these amazingrole models that I had that were kind
of guiding me towards this one path, and I couldn't do it because it
wasn't who I was. And soit's not a curriculum issue. You know,
no matter how much you expose someoneto something, it's you can't change
who they are. Fundamentally, it'sit's not gonna happen. You can hear

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the complete interview with c on thehe said. She said, they said
podcast on the iHeartRadio app k FI Am six forty live everywhere on the
iHeartRadio app. This is the KFINews special, he said. She said,
they said, welcome back. I'mSteve Gregory. Abigail Martinez recently spoke

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before the State Senate Judiciary Committee.She told the members her nineteen year old
daughter was murdered by a gender ideology. Yale Galdamez struggled in school. Her
mother says Yale was depressed and hadproblems fitting in. Abigail says she tried
everything she could to help her daughter, but she was lied to and duped
by the staff at her daughter's highschool. Star high school is when things

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when he changed drama. She wasgoing to this phase you know, from
going you know, dressing like agirly girl or long boots short and you
know, she was like a fashiongirl, changing styles, hairstyle. Abigail

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says. That's when Yale began tocut herself and her behavior changed dramatically.
Abigail says, that's when school officialsbecame involved. Oh, they knew that
she was going through you know,depression, but I never imagine that they
will lead her to go to thesegroups lgbt HE groups. So I didn't

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know. I didn't realize. Iyou know, she was very acting,
strained, sad, mad, andyou know, try to get her help,
you know, send her to atherapist so she can talk to she
if she doesn't talk to me,she can talk to someone, right,
So that's what I did. Abigailsays. The therapy sessions didn't seem to

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work. But while she was tryingto help her daughter at home, Abigail
says, school officials had sent Yaleyto an LGBTQ group within the school without
her consent. And then my daughtercame with these ideas that you know,
I'm not a girl I'm a boy. I'm a girl, but I'm a
boy trap in the girl's body andthis is not who I am. I'm

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a boy, and you know shewas dressing as a boy. Abigail says
Yale had been struggling with classes andher personal life all through middle school,
and that's around the time she sayssocial workers were forced into her home life.
In two thousand and fourteen. Ithink CPS was in my house because

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I because I took her to thehospital once because she drink a lot of
allergy pills, so I was worriedabout it. I took her to the
hospital on that year and she wasin middle school. So they check her

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out and say, I think she'sokay, Oh okay, So can I
take her back home? And sheThey told me, oh no, when
these cases are you know happened,we have to came CPS. So I
said, but why no, youhave to wait to hold a social work.
So I had a social worker onthe idea trying check in the house,

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talking with my other kids, tryingto figure out what was going on.
So they couldn't find anything. Theyon that year. I believe since
freshman year, the high school wasworking on, you know, trying to
convince her. And she had afriend who it was not a classmate because

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this girl was older than my daughter, but she identified herself as a transgender.
So they were pretty good friends.I didn't know about that situation.
So, but when that happened thatthis girl was very close to my daughter.

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At the end of the school year, she was, you know,
the whole year, freshman, sophomoreyear, she was very you know,
tense, like it was not Gaily. She went to school, but not

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happy and she felt so she wasalways anxious. She was always like a
looking around and I Jally, areyou okay? Do you like the school?
And she said, yeah, it'sokay, okay, we can switch
school. If you're not comfortable goingthen no, no, I can't do

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that. Abigail says a school psychologistwas able to convince a judge to take
sixteen year old Yale from her andplace her in a group home, claiming
her mother was unsupportive of Yale's transition. With the endorsement of La County Social
workers and a judge's approval, Yaleybegan taking cross sex hormones. Abigail says
the treatments caused more depression and physicalpain to her daughter, and a doctor

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prescribed CBD oil. When Yaley turnedeighteen, she moved out of the group
home, and a year later,nineteen year old Yale Galdamez knelt down on
the tracks in front of an Amtraktrain in Pomona. I'm sorry to tell
you this, but you're not gonnabe able to see you there anymore.
And I screamed my catraut of thecar. I was throwing up. Literally,

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I was throwing up. I didn'tknow why things went so fast.
So um, they told me there'snothing that you can recognize from you that
or that it was fine at thewe found her in Pomona, the rail

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road truck. She just knowon,you know, knelt and you know,
and she was killed by the train. And it's not a metro, it's
the heavy one. And my daughterwas so thin. So that's how she

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ended her life. Because you know, before a month period, she told
me, mom, no matter whatI do, oh what I'm doing.
The judge signed the consent for herto start the treatment because I was against
that. I told him June,that's not going to help her at all.

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Her depression is going to increase soand she's going to have more,
if you know, suicide of thought, and she's gonna do it in no
time. When she figured out thatthis is not what she needs, Abigail
says, both social workers and schoolofficials quickly blamed her for Yale's death.

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Abigail says a school official once toldher, you should support your daughter.
After all, would you rather havea live son or a dead daughter.
Do you believe that the school andthe social worker in the La County Department
of Children Family Services? Do youthink they contributed to the death of your
d yes. When pressed on Yaley'sdeath, the Department of Children and Family
Services provided a statement to The WashingtonExaminer which read, in part, we

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extend our deepest condolences to the familyand friends of Andrew m as well as
to the LGBTQIA community, which advocatesrelentlessly to protect its youngest and most vulnerable
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the iHeartRadio app. This is theKfine News special. He said, she
said, They said, thank youfor joining us. I'm Steve Gregory.
For more than fifteen years, aclose knit group of drag queens and their
circle of friends have gathered every Mondaynight at the Home of Jewels By day

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he's a marketing specialist for a chainof restaurants, but by night she perform
and drag at popular night spots indowntown Long Beach Jewels invited us to sit
in and ask anything we wanted.Recently, the most controversial topic you would
never believe at our chosen family tablewas definitely pronouns. What do you think?
Yeah? Yeah, did you discussand how did it result? One

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of our friends was like, Hey, my company wants me to put pronouns
on my name tag and I'm notgonna do that. And I looked at
him dead in the face that Isaid, what, like really, like
of all people like, why doyou care? And he's like, well,
I mean I don't need to putmy pronouns on there. I'm like,

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well, we're dealing with a memberof the LGBTQ community. What is
the disconnect here? And here's alittle bit older if if, if we
don't get it, And for me, it was a moment of like,
let's all talk about this because ifwe don't get it in our house,
at our table, if we don'tunderstand the pronouns situation, then of course

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who does And it's a learning momentfor me, it was when that happened.
You know, I've never worried aboutmy pronouns. I spend half my
life as a woman. I spendhalf my life as a man. My
public figure is a drag queen.I use she her pronouns. But I've
never had to qualify that before recently, what a couple of years ago.

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You know, I've never had toanswer that question. And so talk to
one of our friends who was like, I'm not putting them on it,
and I really had to be like, what is it to you? And
the core of that discussion was whatare you losing by putting on your pronouns?
You know, were you born amale, you'll live as a mail
you want to be referred to ashe him? Why is that taking anything

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away from you from putting that ona name tag? Why is that a
hang up? So the question tothe table then about the pronouns conversation,
What were your thoughts about that?Well? I think I boiled down to
just basic human decency and respect.You know, you don't want someone misaddressing

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you, don't misaddress someone else,and you know you there can be the
initial like mistake in communication, likeoh, you know someone says mystery and
say, oh, it's actually missus. Cool, then move on, like
there's no reason to get hung upon what someone addresses them by, you
know, unless they're claiming to bea doctor, than not a doctor.

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Otherwise, like, leave it alone, leave it alone. Just have some
basic human respect and decency for people, and if they want to be addressed
as such, addressed them as such. But it's also understanding what each person
wants to be addressed as because growingup it was gay restraint. Right now,
don't don't confuse gender with uh,you know that's sexual. It's sexually

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with gender, absolutely not. Butit's still part of identity, right,
It's still part of identity, andit's still part of what experienced you know,
growing up, that was part ofidentity, whether you were straight or
you were gay. And now there'sLGBTQ plus, right, so there's all
kinds of different types of identity.So you can't. Also, you can't

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always assume speaking for myself, notyou, not you, personally communication communicating
Oh actually I go by this rightthen? Cool, except that keep it
moving absolutely, you know. ButI think that's where the confusion I think
gets that that creates a conversation becauseyou know, speaking of an older person
who is in his fifties who waslike, why do I need to do

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this? Because he didn't have todo that. It's not about to honeymoon.
No, No, I'm not talkingabout me. I don't know.
Yeah, I mean for everyone,like, like everyone's so like that's a
big problem in this world right now. Everyone so like self involved, self
centric, self absorbed. Uh,you know, we could go on like
narcissism is a big problem right now. Um, so it's not about you.

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It's about the other person and youyou respecting and spreading joy, right,
So you know, I mean ifwe're if we're wanting to get real
religious, that's what it's all about, right, It's it's it's spreading that
joy, being that positive light foreverybody else, you know. So that's
whatever, right, And there's alsotwo can I there's also two sides to
that. There's the person that needis looking for this this identity, right

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and this is what we're identifying ourselvesas. And there's also the a person
that is learning about this identity,right, And what I think a lot
of us have experienced in the lastcouple of years, me personally, is
someone's going to walk through the doorand you say you refer to them as
he, and now they're offended andit creates this kind of, you know,

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uncomfortable situation. But they walk in, they look masculine, right,
so you're just going to assume thatthey're he. And it's still a learning
experience, I think for everybody,because until you say that I identify as
something else, you don't know.So I think it works on both sides
of the coin, because you asthe person that needs to feel more valid
by identifying this way, and alsothe other person that's seen you from the

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physical essence coming through that through thatdoor, you know where they're a male,
female, whatever else. So nowthere's so many other identities. There's
they, there's him, there's she, There's so many different ones. So
I think people need to be alittle bit more mindful of HI, I
want to be identified as this.So if you think it's incumbent upon that

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person to make that pronouncement as soonas they walk into a room, no,
I think it's a little bit ofboth both sides of the coin.
People to be mindful and not assumethat this is their identity, and also
the person that's coming in through thedoor that wants to be identified a certain
way to be able to voice thatbecause I think you touched on something.
I think part of the frustration isthat people are afraid of offending and they

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don't want to step over that line, so they opt either not saying anything
or they just step all over themselves. But um, or they don't feel
confident enough to just say, youknow, I might look like a woman,
but I don't identify as a woman. You know. But when you
introduce yourself to somebody, you saywhat your pronouns are, and then it

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kind of gives them the okay tosay there. So like, if you're
not sure, then I would justintroduce myself. My pronouns are ahem,
and then let them introduce themselves.So walk me through that. So,
if we're meeting for the first time, what's my what's my open pronouns?
Are? He and nice to meetyou with yours? Okay, what are
my pronouns? Or what are myname your name pronouns? So am I

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am? I albigated to give youmy pronouns even though I may not subscribe
to that. No, I don'tthink so my conversation up an invitation,
I guess you could safety. Iwas just saying, like the older gays
a lot of times in the ninetiestwo thousands, like the gay guys all
used to refer to each other asgirl, hey, girl, you know

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what I mean, And now it'slike, we don't do that anymore.
Like their generation took the power outof the pronouns and used them interchangeably,
though it wasn't like an issue,and now this generation wants to put all
the power back into the pronouns.So it's things are changing and evolving the
pronoun situation. Though I also feelsit's an issue within the gay community or

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the lgbt QIA plus community. MainstreamAmerica is not concerned. I don't think
they're concerned about this. I reallydon't. But it's such a thing within
our community that we want to bereferred to as you know, the pronoun
that you choose. I don't thinkmy job does not have pronouns on our

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email signatures, but in the jobI do, lots of companies that I
deal with do have it, andthat's fine. You know, if it's
your choice to do that, goahead. I don't feel that everybody should
be doing it if they don't wantto, like my name is a female
name, you know, if it'sif it's a I disagree with that completely.

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Do you yes? And this iskind of the point we had the
other night when we had a conversationabout do I put my pronouns on my
name? Tad? I disagree withit because the more of us that put
our pronouns out there, the morepeople feel free to use their pronouns.
Do you hear the complete discussion?Download the he said? She said,
They said, podcast on the iHeartRadioapp k I Am six forty live everywhere

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on the iHeartRadio app. This isthe Kfine News special. He said,
she said, They said, welcomeback. I'm Steve Gregory. We begin
with the large protest outside. Myconcerns is that they're not sisters, and
they're ridiculing the good sisters in thecalflic Sure protest as the Dodgers get ready
for Pride. So so it's importantto understand that this is a prayer,

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not a protest. We're basically prayingfor the so called nuns. Earlier this
year, the LGBTQ plus advocacy groupSisters of Perpetual Indulgence was notified by the
Los Angeles Dodgers Organization that it wouldreceive a service award for work within the
LGBTQ plus community. The presentation wouldhappen at a game during Pride Month,
but when words spread on social media, the Dodgers organization was hit with severe

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criticism and threats of boycott. Theorganization withdrew its invitation, only to reinstate
it so on June sixteenth, duringpregame festivities, Sister Unity and Colleague took
the field at Dodger Stadium. Didyou ever dream you would be getting the
attention you've been getting recently? Ihad always hoped I would be getting attention
I'm getting recently. I never expectedit after about the tenth or fifteenth year.

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I've been doing this for twenty sevenyears. I'm one of the last
two remaining of the active founders ofthe original Los Angeles House, and of
course started in San Francisco forty fouryears ago, and I moved to LA
right after college in order to changesociety for the better using theatrics and entertainment

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and performance. But Hollywood didn't workout, and I'm so glad it didn't.
But I never in a million yearsexpected that I would, as an
orange Hindu drag nun, would beplaced in this national limelight to do what
I had originally set out to do. I always learned about theater and art
as being married to social change toimprove people's lives, and I hope that

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the Sisters were become that when westarted in nineteen ninety five and ninety six.
But pretty quickly it became clear thatit would be different in LA than
San Francisco. LA's a vastly morespread out city and you just can't gain
the visibility that you can gain ina smaller city by being in the neighborhoods
in LA. And we didn't reallypick up much attention outside of West Hollywood

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and Silver Lake for years. Sowhen this happened, it was the boost
that we'd always hoped would have butnever expected. By I'd say about two
thousand three, four or five,I thought, Okay, well this is
how it goes. You know,it's been ten years, this is how
it's going to go. And I'mhappy doing the work and I'm happy with

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the theater I can get away withand the people that I've helped. So
when this came, when the awardwas announced in the first place, we
thought, oh, my goodness,such a big opportunity. We'll have thirty
seconds to make an impression. Won'tthat be a nice flash in the pan?
And then Marco Rubio appeared with histweet, and the Catholic League and
Catholic Vote and the entire right wingmedia conglomerate sort of swung into action,

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and Lord Almighty, we had noidea that it would be blow up.
And we thought after Memorial Day weekend, we thought, surely everyone's going to
go picnicking, will be yesterday's news, things will settle back down, And
that did not happen. It's reverberateduntil the game. It's settled down now
after the game, as we thoughtit might. But fortunately for I mean

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unfortunately unfortunately, it's a hullabaloo noone would want in their lives. But
at the same time, we caughtit in our little catcher's mit, and
we use the opportunity as much aswe could to explain who we are in
our work, in hopes that eitherit would mollify some of our detractors,
as it usually does with people wemeet on the streets who are smart enough

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to ask us why do you lookthat way? What are you doing?
And we tell them about the fundraisingwe do for charities not usually mollifies them
in some degree, and it alsoallowed us with people who haven't heard our
message to be touched. And we'vegotten feedback from people far and near that
their minds have been changed, oreven that they have been encouraged as LGBTQ

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community members or just as private citizens, that they've been encouraged that people as
wonderfully weird and creative and openly publiclycreative as we are exist in the world.
Has helped them feel like there's moreroom for them to be who they
are as they are. Now thatyou've been launched and thrust into this international
scene, let's go back to thebeginning, though. Let's talk about the

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message. You said you're trying toget your message out. First of all,
what is the message? Secondly,what does the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence
do? So the message there areseveral messages somewhere around safer sex and HIV
and AIDS prevention, somewhere around gettingpeople to be active about social issues in
our community, like the three thousandexcuse me, five thousand to seven thousand

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homeless children on the streets of Laon any given night. It just boggles
my mind. People aren't just droppingwork to go out and look for them
and house them. But they aren't. There's only three four organizations with three
hundred beds or so to take careof these kids, these children. So
part of the message is activist thatway, but really it starts with the

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San Francisco Sisters adage that the sistersof perpetual indulgence are here who xpiate stigmatic
guilt and promulgate universal joy, whichmeans that our community has been beaten up,
torchard done unto humiliated for centuries byshaming over the fact that we have
sex with people of the same gender, which is really just a lurid stand

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in for that we love people ofthe same gender. People like to focus
on the lurid, so we givethem flashy, colorful things to focus on,
and we deliver that message that there'sno sense in being feeling guilty or
shameful about who you are and whonature made you. And then the joy
half is the really important part,because what do you do when you get
rid of something negative? You replaceit with something positive, And we hopefully

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have a message of celebrating your happiness, celebrating your identity and being joyful about
it and expressing it creatively. Mypersonal message is what you just heard.
If I can be this silly andflamboyant in public, hopefully that sends the
message that there's room in the worldfor you to be who you are as
you are, free from shame aboutit, and with joy for your own

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life. So who we are andwhat do we do well? I always
say, manifesting his job one wedress up as drag nuns. Now that's
just a template, and the sortof quasi religious image really boils down to
the thing you wear on your head. Some people go all the way with
it, and like Sister Dominu,who you may have seen at the Dodgers

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game next to me, she wasin much more what we call high nun
factor outfit. She grew up Catholic, it was a great part of her
acculturation as a child, so shedoes something that hughes closer to a religious
looking figure. I was brought upatheist. I practice Hinduism, so I
go with things that are orange andfloral, and I wear sories and things

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that are less like a recognizable Westernstyle nun. And it's that template given
every single one of us, inall fifty six houses in fifty six cities
in North America and eleven countries aroundthe world, interprets this in their own
creative of way. So you'll havepeople Sister Phyllis Stein made a dress out
of carrots once, so you havepeople interpreting it in wonderfully weird, creative

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ways. And then what do wedo with that? Because it's flashy,
it gets people's attention. We givethe messages that I told you about,
and we ask for money. Andin Los Angeles we're very strict about as
much as many dimes as we collectmust go to the charities. We retain
some or we have special fundraisers wherewe make our overheads so we can produce

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our events, but the vast majorityof money that people give us goes to
charities. And if you go toour website La Drag Nuns dot org and
you click on the resources menu andthen the beneficiary's menu, you'll see a
long list of the people to whomwe have and continue to contribute, and
that's at least fifty percent of ourwork. Sometimes more is the charitable fundraising.

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How many members in the LA chapter. I think on paper we'd probably
be between thirty and thirty five,but active at any given time at events,
you'll see anywhere from three to Likethe Dodgers game, we had eleven
Pride, we get up to aroundfifteen or fifteen to eighteen. Hey f

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I am six forty live everywhere onthe iHeartRadio app. This is the KFI
News special, he said. Shesaid, They said, welcome back and
thanks for listening. I'm Steve Gregory. On June sixteenth, hundreds gathered at
parking Lot thirteen at Dodgers Stadium toprotest the appearance and the honoring of the

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Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence, an organizationwhere men dressed as colorful nuns raise money
and offer services to the LGBTQ pluscommunity. But people like Rabbi Michael Barclay
say while they support the advocacy,they don't support the method. They are
honoring a group that has committed tobe anti Catholic. And if you're anti

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Catholic, you're h religion, you'reanti God. I got a problem with
that. Bread By Barclays with templanaresimthe in Westlake village and recently wrote an
article about the Dodgers invitation. Iactually wrote an article before that event,
a few weeks beforehand, where Ihad I had written an article about when

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the Dodgers actions. And I thinkit's really important to understand what my article
is about and what my relief onthis are. So the Dodgers invited this
group Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence, andthen they disinvited them, and then they
reinvited them, and then I wrotean article that we should boycott Major League

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Baseball, the Dodgers specifically in allof baseball, because they could have stopped
this as well. And the reasonI wrote that article has nothing to do
with sexual proclivities. It has nothingto do with id night, had nothing
to do with any of that.The Sisters of Perpetual Adults are a group

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of men who are clearly an actanti Catholic. They dress up as nuns,
they do all sorts of acts thatare really offensive to Catholics, to
people of religion. And my pointon it was in writing this article,
was that an attack on any religionis an attack on all religion. And

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I would hope the Catholics, Christians, anyone would stand up for any other
religion if they were being attacked,they said, I would hope they would
stand up for Judaism. And soI feel like it was necessary to say,
you know what, we should allstand up for the Catholics, because
while nuns are not part of myfaith tradition, I know how important they

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are to my Catholic brothers and sisters. So I wrote the article, and
then a couple of days before theevent at Dodgers Stadium, I got a
phone call from a friend who isa devout Catholic and said, Rabbi,
are you aware that your article ofall over the Catholic blogosphere and that the
organization that is sponsoring the event atDodgers Stadium is actually using quotes from your

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article in their promotional material, whichI had no idea. I had no
clue about. You write an articleand you have no idea what's going to
happen to it or how it willbe used. And so I contacted the
people organized even they asked me ifI would come speak, and so I
did. It was and again,this has nothing to do with five Night.

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There have been nine other Pride Nights. Certainly I can't speak for other
people, but I have no issuewith them, but this was very specific.
They were honoring a group that hatesCatholics, that hates Catholicism, that
demonstrates it over and over, andyou're honoring them with a hear awards.
So I want to go speak andtalked about a rabbinic teaching that is incredibly

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powerful from Rabbi Hillel over two thousandyears ago, and the teaching is,
if I'm not for myself, whowill be for me? If I'm only
for myself, what am I?And if not? Now went and it's
really important to me to stand upwhen something is being that I really believe
is ethically wrong. To stand upbecause if I'm only for myself, what
am I? So I talked aboutthat and that's what I was there for

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it. It was It was areally interesting and powerful event. I have
to say. At Dodger Stadium therewere five thousand people that had gathered to
say, look, we just don'tthink this is right to be honoring a
group that is so anti Catholic thegroup itself. Had you been aware of
who they are and what they've donein the past, or did you have

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any knowledge about them now? Iknew nothing about these these guys until I
had read an article about them andread, you know, when they first
were invited and then disinvited, AndI knew nothing about them at that point.
And I love baseball, and Itruly love baseball all and my kids
love baseball, and so I foundout about them, and it was really

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distressing and disturbing. And again,it's not about how they dress, it's
not about what their proclivities are,whatever that may be, it just doesn't
It was so anti Catholic to takeon and dress up like nuns and perform
fake sexual acts with crucifixes and icons, and it's you know, it was

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as if to me, it wasas if someone had decided to dress up
like Orthodox rabbis and do the samekind of thing. It just was very
anti religion. And that's that's reallymy issue with with that group, and
the issue with the Dodgers supporting thatgroup and succumbing to that kind of pressure

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inviting them and especially to get aHero Awards. It was really distasteful.
So if you you called for aboycott, then are you participating in that?
Where are you no longer going tobaseball games? We no longer go
to baseball games. We don't watchbaseball in our house. It's a good
thing. My children are passionate aboutgolf, but we don't. We don't

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do any of anything with baseball atthis point, and won't by the way,
until Major League Baseball stops honoring anygroup like that. You know,
judiously have a concept called shuva tofix a mistake we've made. Whether it's
conscious or unconscious, we all makemistakes, and one of those things.
You know that there's multiple steps tomaking shuva, and one is first recognize

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that what you did was wrong,whether it was on purpose or by accident.
The next step is to apologize.The next step is to fix it
and then not to do it again. So I look forward to the day
when we can return to the Dodgergames, because the Dodgers saying, you
know what, that wasn't the rightthing to do, and we're sorry,
going to do it again and again. This is not about and I think

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this is important. This is notabout Pride Night. This is the tenth
Pride Night, and this one wasqualitatively different because they were honoring a group
that was so anti religion. AndI really do believe it. If you're
anti if you're going after one religion, you're going after all people of things.
And we have an obligation of priligionof Blessing to stand up for each

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other. KFI Am six forty Liveeverywhere on the iHeartRadio app. This is
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guests and other bonus material on thehe said, She said, They said

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podcast on the iHeartRadio app. SisterUnity is a member of the Sisters of
Perpetual Indulgence, and at the topof the hour, she gave us her
point of view as she accepted anaward from the LA Dodgers organization. And
it came with some controversy. Whatis your answer to all of this criticism
out there? Why nuns, whyCatholic nuns? Why you know what you're

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doing is blasphemous and I mean thewhole host of things. But what do
you make of all of that?Completely fair question? And let me just
tell you. I was here inmy vacation. I was showing some old
friends some of the news coverage andwe watched a video about the protest outside
the Dodgers game, and the thingthat really impressed me was that so many
of the protesters were very sincere,heartfelt people. You could tell that their

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religion meant the world to their heart. And I feel that in my heart
when I see them, I hearthe honesty in their words and the sincerity
in their voices. We would neverwant to offend that, or to offend
the profound intimacy that anyone has intheir spiritual path. Many of our own
members are religious. I'm Hindu.We have Catholic Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence.

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We have Sister Candy, our founderis still Christian, Protestant Christian, but
Christian. She went to AZUSA.I think it's a Zusa Pacific, the
Christian University in the San Gabriel Valleyand is a practicing Christian. So it's
as we feel, it's a misunderstanding, and we get why people think we're
mocking because yes it's gay satire.Yes it's a nun joke, and certainly

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the San Francisco Order a legally separateorganization, but affiliated they do that Hunky
Jesus contest and the Foxy Mary Contestevery Easter. To understand that, you
have to understand history and the historyof the LGBT community. You have to
understand that so many of our peoplecame from very damaging relationships both with their

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family and with the churches in theirchildhood. And not every church is this
way. Certainly, not every familyis this way. But there are unfortunately
plenty of people who followed a veryrigid form of their religion and used it.
I mean you even find it inHinduism certainly as well. They use
the religion and religious names and imageryto sort of shape their children into their

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thought of what a child should be, how a child should behave, And
it did not include being transgender.It did not include being gay, lesbian,
bisexual, asexual, and as weall know, the stories that can
get very hot. I wish Ihad a dollar for every time that I
have met a teenager or a twentyyear old who was thrown out onto the

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streets of la by a family whois rigid in thinking any member iry go.
So one of the things that happenswith that is that people start to
use satire to relieve themselves of thesense of guilt and the sense of oppression.
They laugh at their oppressors, ifyou will now, I do not

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mean to say that Jesus oppressed anyone, Absolutely not. But there are people
who use the name and image ofJesus to oppress our people, to damage
them, to tell them you haveto remain sell it. I asked one
guy at the A's life cycle.They have a candlelight vigil in Ventura Beach
the night before the cyclists all rideinto Los Angeles, and I said,

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He said to me, oh,the sisters, I love you. I
go to the Dolores Park in SanFrancisco every Easter. And I said,
so you've seen the Hunky Jesus contestand he said yes. And I said,
can I just ask you, becauseI'm getting this question a lot,
what is that for you? Whydo you enjoy that? And he said,
I grew up religious and I wasin the closet through college, very
religious, and my church told methat I couldn't be gay, and that

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if I were, if I couldn'tget rid of it, then I had
to be sell of it for theremainder of my life. He said.
I finally came out of the closet, and I should have unburdened myself of
all of what they put on meand part of the Hunky Jesus contest.
I said, what did that dofor you? Specifically? He said,
the humor of it helps me slideall of that impression, all of that

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oppression off of my mind. Itallows me to laugh and be free about
things that had been weighed down onme, very heavily and very with a
lot of damage. So I takeit from the words of the people themselves.
I have no relationship really to Christianitymyself. I grew up without it,
and so I wanted to ask,And that's what I learned with respect

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to kids in school. First ofall, are any the members of your
order in Los Angeles parents? SisterDulcie de Leche now lives out in Palm
Springs, and I think she manifestssometimes with the Palm Springs Sisters. And
she definitely she has a son.I think by now he must almost be
college age. A delightful kid,absolutely delightful, imaginative kid. And the

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only reason I ask is because Ijust wondered if you had an opinion or
if your organization had had a viewon some of these protests lately in front
of like the Glendale School District inLAUSD and others where these parents are very
upset because they feel like their childrenare being indoctrinated into your lifestyle, and
they're negetive, very upset, andthey're very I mean, I can't believe

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violence is erupted in some of theseprotests now, And I just wondered if
you guys had any view on that. There's a lot to unpack there.
It's a really ripe, unfortunate exampleof what's going on in our society.
And you have, Yes, oursociety is changing. Yes, gay people,
transgender people are making themselves known andhaving their equal slice of the pie

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as any American does. It's thefourteenth Amendment, as the Supreme Court case
of burghfel that made the same sexmayor's legal said, everyone is equally protected
under the law. And there's peoplefor whom this is still new. It's
weird to them. They don't likeit, and to be visible for them
is some kind of intrusion of somethingoffensive. That argument will continue on for

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years. But then you have outsideagitators. We know that the Proud Boys
were presented that mixed in would theProud the anti LGBT proud in Glendale.
We know that there was a whitesupremacist, I believe, a proud Boy
who spoke at the protests organized bythe Catholic organizations outside of the Dodgers game.
He was a known white supremacist.So these folks are using that movement

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and coming into that movement, likeI said, with very sincere people who
are believing the dogma that they're beinghanded from the people higher up. There
was the head of the Catholic Leaguewho is helped start all of this kerfuffle
around the Dodgers. It just sohappens to be coming out with a book
at the same time, and soyou get a mixture of people for whom

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this cultural change is difficult and unpleasant, and mixed in with leaders who have
agendas, and you get, unfortunately, what happened in Glendale in my opinion.
Really, you know, this isAmerica, and we went through social
upheaval in the sixties and seventies,remember, and by seventy five, as
I recall, by seventy five,everyone had had enough of arguing, from
the archie bunkers to the hippies hadenough of the argument, and they just

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settled down into this ethos of youknow what, we really disagree or we're
going to live and let live.And then we sailed on for the rest
of the seventies, to the eightiesand to the nineties on live and let
Live. I hope, I feelthat we will reach that point again.

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I am six forty live everywhere onthe iHeartRadio app. This is the Kfine
News special. He said, shesaid, they said, I'm Steve Gregory.
We've heard from Rabbi Michael Barclay abouthis view on the Sisters of Perpetual
Indulgence in their recognition at an LADodgers game, but the rabbi has also

(01:01:43):
involved in teaching young people and counselingkids and their parents. I asked him
about his views of introducing LGBTQ pluscurriculum in schools. When you talk about
lifestyles, sexual choices, and beingin charge of their body physical choices,
and those are two different issues.They really are. So let me back

(01:02:05):
up a little bit in terms ofunderstanding the issues around gender dysphoria, being
the concept of being uncomfortable that someoneis born. It doesn't matter they're child
and an adults that they're born intoa physical body, but they feel as
if they are of the other bodyof gender dyspory. Okay, and that
was a classic term that was usedfor it. It affects less than one

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tenth of one percent of people worldwhy, that's been the classic understanding what
the studies have shown for decades.Okay, we're talking about transgender, we're
talking about in the culture, gendermodification and gender identification. But in doing
so, one of the things that'shappening is we're conflating three different things and

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making to one point. So there'syour gender, your sex, you're plumbing
homosomes, that doesn't change, Okay, that you can't add one or take
away a y chromosome. Okay,So that's one issue. We have the
issue of your sexuality. Maybe you'restraight, gay, by a sexual whatever

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it may be, and that's bychoice or by birth. That could be
either one, but it can changeover time. But it's it's a it's
a personal choice what you want todo. And then you have the third
issue of energy, feminine versus masculineenergy. So feminine energy pulls in,
masculine energy goes out. I'm justlooking at this objectively from from a viewpoint.

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So a wolf is the epitome ofhunting with male energy, it goes
out to hunt. Spider is theepitome of female energy. It pulls into
hunting. But we don't call amale spider sheet and we don't call a
female wolf heat. It's three differentissues. The sextuor gender is one issue,
the sexuality is one issue, andthe energy is one issue. And

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I think part of the big challengethat is happening in our culture and society
is we've conflated these three issues intoone. So a man, whether it's
a young man or an older man, has a lot of feminine energy pulls
in, you know, and ithas that classic in the energy, that
feminine energy that has nothing to dowith their sexual choice and has nothing to

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do with their their gender. Andsimilarly, a female who has strong male
energies out there and naractually in thatway, has nothing to do with sexual
choices and has nothing to do withtheir gender. So we've conflated those three,
and then you question yourself and thequestion you just asked, you've conflated
those three together. You've used interchangeablythe idea of sexuality and gender, and

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they are two different things. Soit's one thing to educate people about sexuality
and saying this is explorations or whatever. This is a percentage of the population.
Maybe you're part of this, maybeyou're not. It's one thing to
talk about energy. We all havemale and female energy. The whole other

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thing to say, let's modify ourbodies, that's an entirely different issue.
And you are given the plasticity ofour brains up until we're twenty seven twenty
eight years old, given the amountof hormones that are going on in every
preteen and teenager. And I've dealtwith young people who are going through gender

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dysphoria. They feel that they arein the wrong body, and after having
long conversations with them, then they'vecome to the place of saying, Okay,
you know what, Rabbi, You'reright, And I'm still growing and
learning, and I don't want tomake any changes that could affect me down
the road. I'm going to waituntil I'm in my mid to late twenties

(01:05:53):
to determine, really do I wantto make changes in terms of modifying my
body. I don't think that wewant to be encouraging children to modify their
body period because the choice has changed. I mean, I think about who
I was at seven or ten orfifteen. I'm sure you can think about

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who you were at seven or tenor fifteen and who we are today,
and a lot of things we wereso certain of it fourteen years old.
We're not so certain of what werealize we're wrong. So I'm very accounselment
to in any way suggest that anyoneshould be involved in the decision making for
someone's body except the family members,the parents, specifically with the miners with

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their minor children. And I thinkthere's a qualitative difference between having a conversation
about gender and general dysphoria as opposedto a conversation about sexuality. And you
know, again, I really givea lot more. I give a lot
more respect to parents families so thatthey can have the dialogues with their children.

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I don't think that's the place forthe state to be involved in and
say, you know what, goexplore this. Suddenly, the statistics are
that rather than one in ten thousandpeople having gender dysphoria, that now it's
over five percent. In the lastcouple of years. The USA studies show

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that that's how much it's grown.That's a pretty radical increase and either they
weren't being reported beforehand, things havechanged, or there's an agenda going on.
And I really try to keep theeducational the schools. I want our
kids to learn while they still can't. I want them to learn about Shakespeare,

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and I want them to learn abouttrigonometry, and I want them to
learn about science and history and theformation of this nation and all those kind
of things, because once they're intheir twenties probably not going to be studying.
Most people don't continue studying and developingtheir intellect after they're denalist schools.

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So I would really hope that theschool system would be focusing on those kind
of things and leaving other decisions tothe family, and certainly not not ever
encouraging any young person to do anythingwith their body to that you can't change
that. We hope you've enjoyed andlearned from these diverse points of view.

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