August 5, 2023 • 39 mins
Jeff Garrett is a Life Member of the Houston Safari Club Foundation. He has been a life-long avid Texas hunter since he was old enough to hold a gun and hit the dove field or sit in a deer stand with his father and grandfather. He has recently acquired mountain fever and has taken and/or scheduled several mountain hunts of late.
Jeff is passionate about protecting hunting rights and is also a life member of several other hunting associations, including SCI, Wild Sheep Foundation, GSCO/Ovis, Rocky Mountain Goat Association and Alaska Professional Hunters Association. If Jeff isn’t hunting, he is reading, watching and learning about hunting and how to protect the heritage. Jeff has been married to his wife, Debra, for 26 years. They have two children, Rylee who is a senior in accounting at Baylor, and Collin who recently received his bachelor’s degree from Baylor and his master’s degree from Texas A&M. Collin is also a very avid hunter. Jeff has a bachelor’s and master’s degree in engineering from Texas A&M and a law degree from South Texas College of Law. He is a registered professional engineer, registered patent attorney and a licensed attorney by the State Bar of Texas since 1992. Jeff is the Assistant General Counsel, Intellectual Property, for Chevron Phillips Chemical Company.
Jeff has served on several boards. The most recent was as the 2019-20 Chairman of the Board of Directors for the Woodlands Area Chamber of Commerce, where he has been a member of the board for many years. He has also been on the boards for the Education for Tomorrow Alliance and Woodlands Bar Association. Jeff has also been the Pacesetter Chair for the United Way.
Jeff is passionate about protecting hunting rights and is also a life member of several other hunting associations, including SCI, Wild Sheep Foundation, GSCO/Ovis, Rocky Mountain Goat Association and Alaska Professional Hunters Association. If Jeff isn’t hunting, he is reading, watching and learning about hunting and how to protect the heritage. Jeff has been married to his wife, Debra, for 26 years. They have two children, Rylee who is a senior in accounting at Baylor, and Collin who recently received his bachelor’s degree from Baylor and his master’s degree from Texas A&M. Collin is also a very avid hunter. Jeff has a bachelor’s and master’s degree in engineering from Texas A&M and a law degree from South Texas College of Law. He is a registered professional engineer, registered patent attorney and a licensed attorney by the State Bar of Texas since 1992. Jeff is the Assistant General Counsel, Intellectual Property, for Chevron Phillips Chemical Company.
Jeff has served on several boards. The most recent was as the 2019-20 Chairman of the Board of Directors for the Woodlands Area Chamber of Commerce, where he has been a member of the board for many years. He has also been on the boards for the Education for Tomorrow Alliance and Woodlands Bar Association. Jeff has also been the Pacesetter Chair for the United Way.
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The Houston Safari Club Foundation is afive O one C three nonprofit organization that
supports the future of hunting and conservation. Wildlife and habitat conservation, youth education
and outdoor experiences, scholarships, andanti poaching efforts are just a few of
the programs supported by this organization.Monthly events, an annual convention, award
winning publications, networking opportunities, andvaluable resources for hunting knowledge or just a
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few of the benefits of being amember of Houston Safari Club Foundation. If
you're searching for a group of peoplededicated to protecting the future of hunting,
look no further. Join Houston SafariClub Foundation today at we Hunt weegive dot
org or call seven one three sixtwo three eight eight four four. Tradition,
conservation, family, the outdoors.It matters to you, It matters
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to us. This is Hunting Matters, presented by Houston Safari Club Foundation.
Here's Joe b Tar good morning,Welcome back to Hunting Matters on KPRC nine
fifty. This is your Joe Pitar. I am ramone robust, looking pretty
slick over there, Bud. Iappreciate nice tan do I look more Mountainy
you do look Mountaine. You've alwayslooked Mountain. Yeah, I can,
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I can see that. Yeah.Thanks. Nah. So you're about laying
by the pool somewhere and almost spentten day, seven eight days out in
the Titans and Yellowstone, and secondsto the last day, we were laying
out by the pool in Jackson Hole, Wyoming, and that's where I got
this tan looking good. Thanks.I appreciate that. A good, good
trip. Yeah, it's crazy becausethey have what we called down here weather
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seasons right where it actually transitions fromreally hot to cold in the summer months
and winter months and stuff. Soup there, we're waking up and it's
forty eight degrees. Wow, Imean it was July whatever, twenty fifth,
twenty I mean, it's forty eightdegrees in one And my kids didn't
understand why we were packing jackets whenwe left Houston, Dada. Why it's
July. Why do we have jackets? You'll see some mom and dad have
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lost it. Yeah, I mean, it was beautiful and their ninety degrees
feels nothing like our ninety deg Imean, and that's where they're topping out,
and that was their little heat wave. It's fantastic. I love Texas.
I love everything about it text untilI die. But I could see
myself leaving for three months out ofthe year and just living up there for
a minute. Yeah, I gotto see a little a lot of wildlife.
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I guess. Yeah. It wasgreat bear, black bear. Are
we allowed to call him that?Yeah? Okay, no grizzly, No
grizzly, bald eagle doing bald eaglethings. He's sitting there on the shoreline
of the river eating fish, becausethat's what eagles do. S they're picking
up fish. Saw heard of bison? Heard of I don't know. I
guess it was elk. Yeah,just I mean any animal that's on the
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brochure at Yellowstone. We saw usall faithful. Of course. It was
great, great time for my kids. That's cool. Yeah, we had
we had a phenomenal time. Wewant to come back. Yeah, that's
awesome. Yeah that it's a beautiful, beautiful part of the world. Like
you said, people don't realize,you know, that don't travel or that
don't have a you know, achance to travel much. You know,
when you get out of the state. And like I said, I love
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Texas, but when you get outthe state and go these areas that are
fifty degrees at night and eighty fivedegrees or night agrees during the day.
It's like, wow, you know, I can actually cool off just letting
the dogs out at ten pm andit's a hundred ninety five whatever. I
mean, finding shade at two inthe afternoon. Yeah, you're sitting there
thinking, wait a minute, I'mactually cooling off. It's no longer hot
under this tree. Sure, justyour mind, can't think. I think
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the elevation too, Yeah, helpswith the cooling as well, of course,
obviously with the weather patterns. Butthat's that's awesome. Yeah, I'm
glad you guys made it back safeand their wife didn't push you into a
geyser. No I was. Iwas sad that I couldn't shoot at anything.
Oh yeah, it's hard to sitin the car and watch those giant
animals, especially when those elk arecoming up to your car going, hey,
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Bud, you got anything for usto eat? Right? You got?
Can we look? Is that popcorn? You know? They're just sitting
there looking their heads up, goingwhat's going on? Yeah? I'm thinking,
man one right there on the side, you can't see any bear standing
up waving at you. Looked likea guy in a suit. Yeah yeah,
kind of kind of loose fitting andthe crotching around the butt area.
Yeah. Oh man. But anyway, so here we are. We're back.
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It's cool. Yeah yeah. Andyou made it on time, even
though you didn't go to bed allfour am the last night or this morning.
That's cool. Hey, look,I'm a soldier. I know,
I know, I know you'd doit. You would have done it too.
Yeah. Sure. And speaking ofhunting, we got a show coming
up. You're gonna be in Alaska, yep, actually doing some hunting in
the weird wilderness. I have twentynine days left before I leave, so
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I look at his twenty nine daysof training. Yeah kidding training then yeah,
okay, doing a lot of cardio, dumping about fifteen pounds of weights
in my backpacking. So after Ileft, I go on the StairMaster and
all those weights up and down theStairMaster. And I was laughing at you
because when you first told me that, I thought you were kidding until the
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little bit of hiking. I don'teven I hate to use the word hiking
that we did in Yellowstone. Yeah, you're winded. The air's a little
thin up there, at least inYellowstone. I'm assuming it's the same in
Alaska. I can't imagine. Everythingthat you're bringing is on your back.
Yeah, so you have to bein some water snacks. You gotta rifle
over your shoulder. You want tobring a lot of water, Okay,
great, Yeah, it's going tobe an extra ten pounds a gallon or
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whatever. Yeah. Yeah. Wellmost of the guys in our honey party
drink there on urine, so it'sokay, wow, you recycle. Just
kidding. We drink though the show. You're the one with a like of
sleep and I'm the one getting punchshowing off the rails. Oh man,
So what do we got going on? Doctor bat Dark Wet Safari Club always
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has some cool stuff going on.Check out their website at we hunt we
give dot org. Um let's seein August. Uh, actually I'm gonna
miss this. I'm kind of bummed. Next week is the the Big Brewing
the Big Company Networking event at SaintArnold Brewing Company, which is basically just
a big excuse for a bunch ofpeople to get around and have a beer
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and talk about hunting and outdoors.So that's on August and nine. But
I'm actually going to be at somepolicy in legislation meeting next week's next week
in Montana. Actually, wow,how about that. I'll miss that.
But September fourteenth, we are goingto have one of our life members who
I believe Byron is now eighty andhe just climbed Mount Kilman Jara. That's
Byron Sadler, one of our lifemembers. That's gonna happen on September fourteenth
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at the Houston Racket Club. Andthen October fifth, our big annual Annual
Sporting Place tournament at the Greater HoustonSports Club and we've changed that to an
afternoon start time to allow people towork in the morning, get on out
after lunch. And we've got somecool new stuff affiliated with that. So
go to we Help we Give dotorg. Click on the membership dropped down
and click on the monthly events andsign up to come. You don't have
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to be a member to attend ourevents. Coming out meet meet some of
the members of the Houston's Fire Club. Man October fifth, I cannot wait.
Football will be underway at least eightyfive degrees. Yeah, so that'll
be cool. Yeah, I knowwe're twenty nine days away from start of
NFL season or something like that.College is sooner. So yeah, I'm
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excited, definitely am excited. Sojoining us today as a buddy of mine,
Jeff Garrett. Jeff is a lifemember of the Houston Sparra Club Foundation.
He's a real underachiever. He's alsoa member for the board of Directors.
He was also the chair of theGrants Committee and the Membership Committee.
Yeah, this guy, I'm impressed. Jeff, thanks so much for joining
us today. Good morning, Thanksguys for having me. We appreciate you
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being here. Man. So listen, Jeff. We had to listen to
Ramone's tales about his summarcation. There'llbe a book report due next week for
a month, but as we wrapup the segment, we've got a little
less than a minute left. Jeff, tell our listeners what you do every
day for a living before we jumpinto your involvement with the far Club.
Well, I spent thirty years asa corporate attorney and then I just recently
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changed kind of retired from the corporateattorney world and jump over to the business
side. So I'm a general managerof our licensing group. Which is an
international position. So it's a lotof cool international travel, and it's reaching
out talking to companies that want toget a license try technology and build their
own chemical plant using the technology.Yeah, ramone. Every time I try
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to call Jeff. Not all thetime, but a lot of times I
call them like, oh, well, I'm in I'm in India, or
I'm in something. Carjack, Carjackistan. I think that's Houston, Jeff.
Hang on a minute, you're gonnatake a quick break here on Hunting Matters
KPRC nine fifty. We'll see folkson the other side. Is this how
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you feel on three hours of sleep? I feel I'm lucid yet I'm floating.
Yeah, not in your not inyour own body. Correct something like
that coffee hopes. I'm sure youneed a straight line iva that stuff.
I had something called a red eye, a coffee brilliant. Do you know
what that is. I've never heardof it before. It's two shots of
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espresso and then they pour the restwith coffee, really rest of the cup
up with call wow, I meanthat is to change. Yeah, I
mean that's just caffeine rush. Nice. Welcome back to Hunting Matters KPRC.
Nine fifty. Joining us today isour guest Jeff Garrett. Jeff is a
life member. He's a spar Clubmember of the board of Directors, and
he also chairs a few committees.Jeff, if you had to take down
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the biggest animal with your own barehands, what would that be? What
is the largest animal you could takedown with your bare hands? Hmm?
Maybe? Uh? I mean thisis life and bear hand. Maybe I
have Elina. I don't know.I wouldn't want to go anything too big.
Well, I mean, but youhad to. I mean you had
to measure not only your strength asa man, but you were defending your
loved ones. I mean it wouldit's go whatever it would take. I
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mean I would shot for you know, a black bear if I had.
Oh my good. Maybe not agreewith me though, maybe not agree?
Yeah no, you're dead. Butyeah, okay back there maybe a moon
bear in the zoo and China Sungis his panther wearing an ill fitting seat.
That is so funny. Jeff,thanks again for joining us. Uh,
you grew up hunting, didn't you. I did. Yeah. My
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dad and my grandfather were avid hunters, so I was very lucky in that
regard. This They took me out. I think I was probably seven or
eight. My dad gave me akind of a crack open barrel, single
shot twelve gate shotgun on a deafhunt and kind of sque it all started,
you know. And then my dadand grandfather had they grew up near
Cameron Rosebud halfway between barencous Station andTemple, and his relatives properly out there,
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and we'd always try to go outthere when quill and duf season overlap
and go and shoot squirrels and rabbitsalso. So I want to get in
hunts back in the day. Yeah, I mean, we've all been there,
you know. I can remember myfirst uh first farm was a single
shot four ten that was my grandfather'sthat was handed down to him, and
shooting squirrels and rabbits and bringing themhome my mother cook him up and whatever.
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You know. Yeah, my grandfathermade squirrels to cook rabbits. Yep.
Yeah. Well, I want totalk about some of your latest shunning
adventures here later in the show,but let's talk a little bit about um
Houston Spari Club, and you've gotsome great hunting adventures I want to get
into. But um, So howlong have you been been a member of
the Using Spark Club Foundation. Ohgosh, I'm not sure, Joe,
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It's been a number of years,more certainly more active in the recent years.
Yeah, it's really you know,a passion of mine to be active
in supporting the missions of the club. Yeah. What what kind of prompted
you? I'm sure you're a memberof several organizations. What kind of prompted
you to get involved with the Houstons Faria Club and or up your game
where you're you're more actively involved.It really is it's you know, I
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think I've mentioned the people I'm eitherhunting and watching videos on hunting, reading
it, or thinking about it.So I'm a brief passionate about the sport
of hunting. I'm concerned about theheritage being passed down kind of with the
anti honey sentiment out there, justreally like to have it. I mean,
using my involvement with the clubs toreally try to hope, you know,
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create a legacy of my own tomyself about that. I'm trying to
do whatever I can to protect thesupport of hunting as it passed down to
my son and hopefully his son somedayso it's really it's I mean, as
you mentioned, there's networking, there'sfunny events, there's lots of fun aspects
to it. But I really likethe part where we're trying to really protect
our hunting rights and doing everything wecan for conservation. Yeah. Yeah,
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And so I'm sure you have conversationswith your buddies or peers at work and
that sort of thing. And yeah, you know, I'm kind of curious
to hear from you if you hadto give somebody an elevator speech, you
know, just a brief couple minuteconversation to say, it's might go,
well, why should I Why shouldI join Houston Spari Club Foundation? What
kind of what would you tell him? What would you do to encourage them
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to become a member? Because andI ask you this strictly, not only
because you're a member of the boardof directors, but you're also the chair
of the membership committee. Yeah.Well, you know, our missions are
our missions preserved the support of huntingthrough education, conservation, and you know
the promotion of the of the huntingheritage. By joining the Houston Safarti Club,
you help with your membership accomplish thosethose missions, uh, protect hunting.
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At the same time, it givesyou access to other like minded hunters
to network. It gives you achance to really learn about the types of
hunts that are out there. Ifyou're kind of new to hunting, you
haven't maybe you haven't been to Africa, you get a chance to meet folks
who have been who can give youa recommendation of an outfitter. Um.
You know, the same way ifyou haven't been maybe up north, you
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haven't hunted elf or sheep, somebodyin the club has. Somebody in the
club is using outfitter and you canlearn from them what's the best way of
going about getting that hunt lined up. We have fun events, we have
quail shoot, we have sporting clay'stournaments. It's just, you know,
it's just a really neat way tobe involved into really just network with like
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minded people and at the same timehelp protect the sport of honey and the
heritage of honey. Yeah, andyou know, you and I've had several
conversations. You know, you talkedabout talking, you talked about people who
have never been to Africa and thatsort of thing. But I think,
and I think you and I agreewith us. There's a misperception that this
organization, the Houston spar Club Foundation, is about safaris and is about people
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who go to Africa and tell ourlisteners a little bit about you know,
the audience in the membership that itattracts. Yeah, there's certainly there's people
who have been. I just wentlast month, the first time ever to
Africa. All my hunting has beenNorth America. I spend lots of time
talking to people about North American hunting. I mean, I think you know,
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you can come to some of ourmeetings and you may hear the conversation
go on for quite a while aboutan elk hunt, mule deer, white
tail, you know, ducks,quail, whatever, that aren't related to
Africa in any kind of way.That's just people that you know, were
able to hunt things here in Texas. So I know when it says the
Houston Safari Clubs, clearly there arefolks that have been to Africa and they
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can give you a lot of ittheir experience with that. But I think
it's a misnomer to think that that'swhat we're all about it. It's so
much of it has to do withhunting anywhere, including mostly North America.
And even in particular Texas. Yeah, yeah, it's a good that's a
good point. One thing the HoustonSafari Clubs they do so well that goes
overlooked as the parties. You guyscan throw down some parties and yeah I
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appreciate that. Yeah, we hada fiftieth anniversary party. It was quite
fun as up at Conno Texas Armingand you have Christmas parties and have great
parties that associate with our convention.So yeah, we despite all the seriousness
of what we do with our grantsand and so forth, we certainly know
how to have a good time.Also, you mentioned you just got back
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from a trip to Africa. Thatwas a pretty interesting trip, wasn't it.
I mean you you, without givingaway your story, you kind of
did your part on helping save acattle operation. Is that true? That's
true? Yeah, it was aIt was an animal had had taken the
third calf off this cattle rancher's ranchin about two weeks and he will no
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longer be taking calves off that ranch. What was it taking calves off?
What animal was? Wow? Yeah, they had a nuisance cat out there,
and uh, we're talking about theanimal, not the person. With
the disease. Correct, Okay,just making sure because although there is a
leprosy outbreak in central Florida, asyou know that Florida, there's a leprosy
outbreak in central Florida. Not tobe confused with a leopard, but no,
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we were. We were actually baitingon another ranch out looking for tracks
and so forth and hitting. Theprofessional hunter got a call from a cattle
ranch or five hours away saying,the third calf is gone. We got
the drag marks. I'm gonna putout poison tonight. Now, if he
puts out poison, you can killcheetahs, hyenas, jack bulls. Right,
there's no ten what else he couldget? He said, If y'all
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come right now, you know,I'll give you the chance to hume.
So we got in the truck anddrove five hours straight there. Yeah,
we tracked him ten kilometers and twodays later we got him. Jeff,
nobody uses kilometers in the United States, I know, but that's what they
do there. If there's one thingwe can be proud of, we kill
the metric system. That's right.Nope, now, real quick, we
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got forty five seconds, and I'msorry if I'm interrupting Joe, But poison,
what would poison consist of? Whenyou when they say they're gonna poison
the area, you know, Idon't know. I'm not sure. I
don't know if they would have justfound some meat and put it out,
and I don't know if they woulduse I don't know, and don't getting
arsenic sign out or something somethind ofa poison on the meat my wife's cooking,
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I get it. Yeah, somethinglike that. Her chili kills.
Yeah, good thing she's not hereslapping me in the back of the head.
Okay, folks, we're here withour guest today, Jeff Garrett,
and we are going to take aquick break here on hunting matters KPRC nine
fifty. In the tree to makesome honey just for me? When do
you look under the The only twothings in life that make it worth living,
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it's guitars are too good and firmfeeling women. I don't need the
name in the Marquee Lives. Canyou played this song today? So I
played just be cancelation song, firmfiller women got back to the basics of
love. Let's go to this successfulI've believe got a few had Fields and
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les between Who Bars, Trains,Songs and Blue Eyes Crime and Welcome back
to Honey Matters on KPRC and ninefifties. This is your host show Beach
and Ramone Roeblists joining us. Today'sJeff Garrett. Uh. Jeff pretty much
does everything for the organization. He'sa life member, he's a board member,
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he grants, he's the he's thehead of the money giving operation,
the heads up the grants committee anduh and as also membership chair. I
think Jeff, is this your secondor third year running to run to lead
membership? Uh? Be a secondyear. Secondly, now grants is new.
You've been on the grants committee before, but um, being the grants
chairs new for you? Correct?That is that's that's true. It's now
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starting for this new term. Totell tell our listeners just a little bit
about the grants program. You know, what is the grants program for Houston
spar Club Foundation. Why do wegive all that money away? Well,
first of all, we're a fiveO C three. We've granted I think
over four million U in grants tosupport Oh you can help me out of
Joe, but youth education, shooting, sports conservation projects, wildlife study.
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He tat protection wounded veteran hunts,yep um. That covers most of it.
Yeah, I mean we we doeverything from relocate prongran antelope and desert
big horn cheap and West Texas toto doing antipoaching, supporting antipoaching patrols in
Na maybe in South Africa and thatsort of things. So yeah, it's
it's a pretty pretty diverse offering,Yes, it is. It's a it's
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a lot of fun. You getto see the money be put to work.
You know, we we with allof our events and membership, you
know, we are able to uget the money and then to to send
it out to the grants committee isreally fulfilling to me because we see how
the money gets put to work.We usually get reports back and it's kind
of neat to see the success ofour of our grant money. Jeff,
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I'm well, did you have aquestion relevant to what he said? Now?
I was just going to follow up. The one thing I really enjoy
your remote about the grants program isthat you know and I understand why they
do it. A lot of organizations, whether it's in the in the outdoor
world or whether it's in any areathat provides grants to people who need money,
they have a grant cycle. Theydo grants once or twice a year.
We do them every month. Soas long as somebody gets a grant
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request in by the first week ofthe month, it'll be considered by the
grants committee on the board that month. So it's it's an ongoing thing until
we spend all of our grant's budgetfor that year. We do it all
all year long. Fantastic, Jeff. I'm looking at a picture of you
in a pooch. What it kindof dog is at and what is its
name? That is my bird huntingdog, Stella. She's a Britney Spaniel.
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Okay, and voice offered when hesaid, yeah, yeah, yeah,
she's a great dog. She's uh, she just came off of al
acal surgery wow this last year.Yeah, and so she's all cleared to
go and looking forward to Guy.I go to a place near Anavasota.
Quill placed and opened from like October, mid October to mid April, and
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um, so we'll be ready togo. She's she's she's a very good
honey dog. Jeff did think Joeto come with me? Joe needs to
come out there sometime, y'all.You gotta just stick at the phone.
We'll drag Ramoe. Ramot would loveto come to Joe hate people. I'll
be there, but Joe doesn't likegoing here. Jeff, didn't you send
me a photo a few months back? You weren't you in a boot?
And your dog was recovering from surgeryas well at the same time. Yeah,
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y'all recovered from together? Yes,well, I think that was her
other leg. She's had a sealsand both legs, and we didn't know
when she had the first one.In the vet said it's for some reasons,
very likely, is it what happenedto the other one? So she's
she's turned into quite an expensive buyinga dog. Yeah, yeah, they
all are, but a dog likethat. Listen, I'm gonna get in
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trouble for saying this. I lovedogs. I have three of them.
They're just down the hallway from me, and your dog is beautiful. But
on vacation, I got sick andtired of people bringing their dogs everywhere and
letting them jump on other people,as if that was something cute. Oh
you don't mind Rover, he's friendly. Yeah, but you know what his
paws are muddy. Yeah, anyway, I just had to get that off
my chest. You feel better.I feel a lot better. I agree
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with you that keep keep your dog, you know, on your leash,
don't let them jump out anyway.There's a reason they're coming the phrase well
healed, Yeah exactly. Yeah,keep those dogs in line. Jeff,
your dog looks like a beautiful puppy. And I hope y'all have many more
hunting trips. Thank you, Thankyou, so, Jeff. Let's talk
a little bit about something you're passionateabout. There's some things going on in
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the world, in the world ofhunting policy and just wilife conservation policy and
legislation. You know that you UnitedKingdom right now is really really close to
looking at a trophy import band wherethey are not going to allow people to
import their hunting trophies into the countryanymore. It's in the House of Lords
now, which is their version ofthe Senate. It's out of their House
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of Commons and now in the Houseof Lords, and there's some real there's
some real push going on to havethat thing passed where they're going to import
ban the import of trophies into theUK, and luckily, I'm starting to
see a lot of editorials and articlesbeing written by government officials in Africa,
South Africa, Namibia, those sortsof things, and also research scientists biologists
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that are based there that are saying, you're going to kill conservation in the
future of wilife species in Africa.If this trend is set and it continues,
I'd like to hear your thoughts onthat. I agree, Joe,
it's very troubling. I think.I think is it Connecticut, California have
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already done it here in the stateNew York, Yeah, New York.
Yeah. I mean. And whatI'm hoping is and I heard shame Mahoney,
you and I have talked to Joe. I'd like to listen to this
podcast. I'm hoping he's right thatthis is a call of action to hunters.
It is a wake up call.We've kind of been complacent. We've
kind of said, this has beenour heritage for many years, you know,
when the country was founded. It'swe've been kind of gone from subsidence
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hunting to kind of more over sporthunting. We're kind of taking it all
for granted. Um. I'm hopingthis is a wake up call. You
know, people ask why do weworry about when things happen around the world.
You know, well, that's that'sin in in England, or you
know, they're trying to outlaw duckhunting in Australia, but that you know
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people here in the usc that happenedcan give them ideas, give them strength
to try to do it here.I was just in the Midbile, that's
where that hunt was. I wastelling you say, you know they the
population of elephants since like nineteen ninetyhas gone from seven thousand to twenty four
thousands. The overall wildlife in thecountry since nineteen seventy has increased five percent.
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So there is sport. Hunting isconservation. It allows the huntable land
to be set aside that's not usedfor agricultural, urban or industrial developments.
I think, as you mentioned,joe hunting is how they stopped poaching.
The government and when you until yougo over that, you don't really realize
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the governments are just not set upto do a lot right. Um.
They have got forty percent unemployment inNabibia. It's very very corrupt. But
the actual landowners in the professional huntersare the ones that are actively trying to
stop the poaching. So there's allthat together is really what is conserving wildlife
and habitat. Yeah, and that'sthat's something you brought up. It's absolutely
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annoying to me that people want tolegislate and effect other countries about how they
manage their wildlife and habitat and they'venever even stepped footing those countries. But
they're pointing a finger, going youcan't do this anymore, or you know,
they do it, they circumvent it. They say, well, if
we can't shut it down in yourcountry, we're going to shut it down
in our country, so it affectsyour country. And then you know,
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if somebody said I think it wasJim Shocky then noted author and while an
outdoor television person, he said,I think it was Jim that said it.
Somebody said, I can't remember whoit was, but they said one
time that if people stopped eating bakedpotatoes and French fries, farmers would stop
growing potatoes. And that's the samething with animals. If you stop hunting
them and stop providing the thousands ofdollars to support these ranches and these hunting
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operations that are paying local citizens andstopping poachers, and paying anti poaching patrols
and paying for fuel for helicopters andmotorcycles for poaching patrols. That stuff goes
away, animals will become a commodity. And these people that are standing up
complaining about oh my gosh, wellyou're killing all the animals in the speed
these are endangered and half of thatthey talked about are not endangered. Yeah,
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but what they want to see somereal endangerment. Stop hunting them.
Sorry that it gets me rolled up, me too, Joe. You know
that you and I have a lotof conversations. You know, if you
look in the US, and Ibelieve these numbers are close. If you
take elk, turkey, and ponghornantelope back in nineteen hundred, all three
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of those were in the I don'tknow, fifteen twenty to thirty forty thousand
range. Today there's over a millionelk, over a million ponghorns in almost
eight million turkeys, through conservation,through license fees, through organizations like hours
to the National Wall Turkey Foundation,the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation. Sei you
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go down the list of people tryingto conserve untable habit tats for the animals
and conservation for the animals, andyou know where that started. That started
way back when when Teddy Roosevelt wasaround and Alder Leopold and as people who
were hunters and fishermen and love theoutdoors. They said, wait a minute,
this this this farm hunting, thismass hunting just to ship animals to
Europe or to make fur coats andthat sort of thing. This has got
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to stop. These are people whosaid this is going to stop. And
they started having policies and legislations declaringlands as you know state parks and federal
parks and that sort of thing.It was hunters that are where the ones
who started the conservation movement saving animals. Like Jeff said, so anyway,
I'm gonna take a quick break herein Hunting Matters, we'll be back onto
the side KPRC nine fifty. They'rewalking on the plat side. Still raise
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a little cane with the boys.I'll get songs and pretty women. I'm
still right there with them, sangin about the crack Town. Welcome back
to Hunting Matters on KPRC nine fifty. This is your host, Joe pitar
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I am Ramon Robelists, and weare joined today by our guest, Jeff
Kerret. Jeff is a life rememberof the Houston's Far Club Foundation. He's
also a member of the board ofdirectors and the chair of the Membership and
Grants Committee. Jeff, how areyou doing today? That was my fault
I had I had, Jeff turneddown. I didn't want you need to
ask me these I'm doing? Funstopped, how I worked forgot how I
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worked buttons? Sorry, Jeff,I had you pot it Downstill, no
worries, no ways. I'm veryhappy to be here. Thank you.
So, Jeff, we were talkinga little bit about policy and legislation on
the on the in the last segment. But something we need to talk about
that has happened in the past weekthat, UM, I think would it
would be irresponsible to us not toaddress it. And so a story broke
that the US Department of Education has, for lack of a better term,
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misinterpreted UM some some historical rulings andUM, I'm just gonna go ahead and
say it my opinion. Only peoplehave their different opinions on it. But
what they're doing is they are goingto start cutting funding to public schools that
have programs dealing with archery, likethe National Archery Schools Program, outdoor education
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and anything happen to do with thefarm. It doesn't matter if they're teaching
people how to shoot BB guns orto learn firearms safety. And I think
it's an end around approach to guncontrol, to be quite honest with you.
But it's considered to be a misinterpretationof the statutes and the laws.
And I am, as are manyof us are just infuriated. I'd like
to get your take about it.I agree, Joe. It's of all
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the problems we have going on inthe world, that's what they that's the
one that they're focused on. It'sunbelievable to be honest to the point,
to your point, yes, inand around on gun control. And also
just the vast majority of people livein urban environments. Now you know,
these kids. If there's any there'sbeen ever a time that we need to
get kids in the outdoors, it'snow, you know, I get from
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behind the computer games, sitting inside, being you know, on the couch
doing games or whatever, watching TV. Get them outdoors. It whether it
be art, I don't care,a game store, and be beguns or
whatever. Teach them about hunting,camping outdoors. It's just it's crazy to
me that they're doing this. Yeah, and I encourage people to go and
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research at up, look up thisissue. And the other thing that I
think between the lines they don't publiclystate is what they're doing is they're going
back to these public school systems andsaying that if you have these types of
programs as part of your curriculum,we are going to slash your federal funding.
So these these school systems that arehurting for teachers pay and all these
orders other sorts of things are gonnago, well, I guess we have
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to cut these programs because if ourfederal funding goes away, then we're we're
done. You know, We're done. And so I think it's just I
think it's unfair. It's just Idon't know. We could talk about it
for hours, but I encourage peopleto look it up. Looking to the
Department of Education slashing funding for thesepublic school systems, if they if they
even mentioned the fact that they wantto offer an archery program or a fire
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and safety training or an outdoor educationprogram and their curriculum. So anyway,
Jeff, another serious topic we needto talk about. Is I understand you've
got a bad fee fiver. Um, it's called mountain it's called mountain fever.
You want to tell us a littlebit about that, what you tell
us about your diagnosis and what isthe expected outcome? Yeah? Yeah.
A few years ago I just reallyhead the outfort, you know, I
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just really start thinking about getting upin doing some honey that I probably don't
have many years left to do.It's it's it's a difficult hunting to get
up in Climby's mountains. So Ithought, if it's come kind of an
hour and everything, and so Iwent on a first of all, as
a mountain go hunt in south easternAlaska coastline. Pretty cool estate on a
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large boat that we slip on theboat, and each day we would hike
up about twenty five hundred feet umrain sleep Devil's Club Alders and I got
a big billy on the fourth Ithink they the fourth day. Uh So
that was my first hunt, andthat was very difficult. I'm not sure
I would do that one m Andthen I've done a cup sheep hunts a
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couple of years ago when the dollsheep hunt. That was cool Flynn the
white Horse cannoned up in the Yukonand then took a bush plane up to
the base camp about three hundred milesso I didn't mc gun take, had
lunch, then flew in the helicopterup into the McKenzie Mountains. I remember
on that one the guy put usour tents on the Spike Camp on a
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grizzlies bear trail. He said,see here, so they'd like to use
the same prince. And then seethese trees are right up against us.
All that brown hair, that's wherethe grizzlies like to scratch their backs.
So it's like, wow, that'sthat's just had a sleep opposite of each
other in our two tents with ourguns in our laps during the evening in
the nighttime. But got my dollactually on the first day that on that
story is where I Joe mentioned thebroken and I had a boot on my
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leg. I broke my ankle atthe top of the mountain hauling the sheep
out, so I had to slidedown the mountains and hike out by the
mill a mile and a half toSpike Camp. But I bet your and
I think you're just kind of exaggeratingnow it was a sprained ankle and you
had to walk on hundred yard butby now I wish that was the case.
But it was genuine wild league.It was all I had to do
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with were boots, didn't have toget the cast. But then the last
one was the last one was prettycool. Last September up in the northern
BC went Stone Sheep Honey. Thatwas really remote. We had about a
seven eight hour horse ride into thebase camp and then each day we'd ride
the horses a couple hours hike amile or so to the base of the
mountains, and then we'd climb mountainseach day. That one't that one didn't
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happen. They didn't get the ramone that day. It was a nice
teen year old ramp. It didn'tget him until day eight. So you
know, you start it's besides thephysical, the mental starts kicking into Yeah,
but those are The hunting aspect isreally neat, but just the adventure
being out eating freeze, drive foodsup in the you know, spiked camps
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and the tenants, you know,seeing the wildlife crossing streams with the horses
and just all the things to associatewith it's really cool. Kind of makes
you feel like you're stepping back intime, doesn't it. It does.
It really doesn't mean you there's nothingaround. I mean there's no fences,
no power poles, nothing, Andit's pretty cool. I mean that Canada
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really is some of the most remoteand Alaska is there's really some of the
most remote areas you can get into. Pretty cool. You kind of get
a glimpse under what Lewis and Clarkmay have seen, you know, all
those years ago. When you whenyou're in that type of environment, you
really do I mean, you reallydo. You some very remote areas.
You know, I read a lot. I have quite significant you know,
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honey book librating, you know,to kind of read about uh, you
know, read all the Jack O'Connorbooks and to kind of read his books
and the go experience. It's reallyneat. I mean, it's just fascinating
to think how small you feel whenyou get into something like that. I
mean, how Mother Nature, atthe end of the day, let you
live on this earth for as longas you're able to it. Really,
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that is really true, Ramone,It's um, it's it's really something.
I mean, you know, andnot to take anything away from Texas hunting.
I mean, probably the most remotethat I've ever been on. Prior
to that, we had a largemule dear release years ago, my dad
and I with a lot of hisbuddies, and there was a now near
past Sanderson about eighty thousand atures,which is a this size rant. Yeah,
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you go up there in Canada andthings are just they talked about tens
of thousands of square you know,miles of concessions and areas to hunt.
It's it's amazing how how how hugeit is? Well, I can't even
wrap my mind around that. Howhow one would navigate and traverse and communicate
and you know, coordinate these youknow, drop off and pick ups.
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That's just extraordinary. You gotta havesatellite phones and yeah, you you you're
you're off the grid. I meanyou got a satellite. Yeah, yeah,
it's it's it was, It's it'sfun. You got being shaved,
Joe is you know talking about training? Um, you really gotta that's kind
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of also a nice side a sidepart of it too. You have to
get yourself in pretty good shape,which has got other benefits too. So
yeah, you gotta, I thinkthink that's good advice for anybody who's going
to embark on a mountain hunters,You've got to get in shape. Jeff,
what's your favorite caliber to use whenyou're out hunting in the mountains for
these sheep and goats. So it'sa relatively new caliber six point six point
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five PRCA. It's kind of like, and I'm not a huge ballistics gun
person, but understand is kind oflike the six point five creed More Magnum's
an understanding. That's what I'm taking. Brief. Yeah, that's what I'm
taking to Alaska from hunting for huntingwith it for the first time, the
creed More prc RC. Yeah,huh yeah, that's crazy, not that
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one. It's a very flat shootinggun. I haven't It's taken down a
mountain goat and two sheep with oneshot and an one. Other pretty neat
part about it is up in themountains, you can have a wind kind
of scroll around and kick up.Because it's a very fast caliber, it
kind of takes out the effective windto a large degree. Yea, I'm
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Jeff's gonna go out and teach mehow to shootman new gun here coming up
here in a couple of weeks andside down my new wife of my scope,
which should be here, so Jeffand I are going to connect on
that folks. We are unfortunately ata time Jeff Garrett has been our guests.
Thanks so much, Jeff. We'llsee you guys next week here on
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Here's Joe b Tar good morning,Welcome back to Hunting Matters on KPRC nine
fifty. This is your Joe Pitar. I am ramone robust, looking pretty
slick over there, Bud. Iappreciate nice tan do I look more Mountainy
you do look Mountaine. You've alwayslooked Mountain. Yeah, I can,
(01:10):
I can see that. Yeah.Thanks. Nah. So you're about laying
by the pool somewhere and almost spentten day, seven eight days out in
the Titans and Yellowstone, and secondsto the last day, we were laying
out by the pool in Jackson Hole, Wyoming, and that's where I got
this tan looking good. Thanks.I appreciate that. A good, good
trip. Yeah, it's crazy becausethey have what we called down here weather
(01:34):
seasons right where it actually transitions fromreally hot to cold in the summer months
and winter months and stuff. Soup there, we're waking up and it's
forty eight degrees. Wow, Imean it was July whatever, twenty fifth,
twenty I mean, it's forty eightdegrees in one And my kids didn't
understand why we were packing jackets whenwe left Houston, Dada. Why it's
July. Why do we have jackets? You'll see some mom and dad have
(01:57):
lost it. Yeah, I mean, it was beautiful and their ninety degrees
feels nothing like our ninety deg Imean, and that's where they're topping out,
and that was their little heat wave. It's fantastic. I love Texas.
I love everything about it text untilI die. But I could see
myself leaving for three months out ofthe year and just living up there for
a minute. Yeah, I gotto see a little a lot of wildlife.
(02:19):
I guess. Yeah. It wasgreat bear, black bear. Are
we allowed to call him that?Yeah? Okay, no grizzly, No
grizzly, bald eagle doing bald eaglethings. He's sitting there on the shoreline
of the river eating fish, becausethat's what eagles do. S they're picking
up fish. Saw heard of bison? Heard of I don't know. I
guess it was elk. Yeah,just I mean any animal that's on the
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brochure at Yellowstone. We saw usall faithful. Of course. It was
great, great time for my kids. That's cool. Yeah, we had
we had a phenomenal time. Wewant to come back. Yeah, that's
awesome. Yeah that it's a beautiful, beautiful part of the world. Like
you said, people don't realize,you know, that don't travel or that
don't have a you know, achance to travel much. You know,
when you get out of the state. And like I said, I love
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Texas, but when you get outthe state and go these areas that are
fifty degrees at night and eighty fivedegrees or night agrees during the day.
It's like, wow, you know, I can actually cool off just letting
the dogs out at ten pm andit's a hundred ninety five whatever. I
mean, finding shade at two inthe afternoon. Yeah, you're sitting there
thinking, wait a minute, I'mactually cooling off. It's no longer hot
under this tree. Sure, justyour mind, can't think. I think
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the elevation too, Yeah, helpswith the cooling as well, of course,
obviously with the weather patterns. Butthat's that's awesome. Yeah, I'm
glad you guys made it back safeand their wife didn't push you into a
geyser. No I was. Iwas sad that I couldn't shoot at anything.
Oh yeah, it's hard to sitin the car and watch those giant
animals, especially when those elk arecoming up to your car going, hey,
(03:46):
Bud, you got anything for usto eat? Right? You got?
Can we look? Is that popcorn? You know? They're just sitting
there looking their heads up, goingwhat's going on? Yeah? I'm thinking,
man one right there on the side, you can't see any bear standing
up waving at you. Looked likea guy in a suit. Yeah yeah,
kind of kind of loose fitting andthe crotching around the butt area.
Yeah. Oh man. But anyway, so here we are. We're back.
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It's cool. Yeah yeah. Andyou made it on time, even
though you didn't go to bed allfour am the last night or this morning.
That's cool. Hey, look,I'm a soldier. I know,
I know, I know you'd doit. You would have done it too.
Yeah. Sure. And speaking ofhunting, we got a show coming
up. You're gonna be in Alaska, yep, actually doing some hunting in
the weird wilderness. I have twentynine days left before I leave, so
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I look at his twenty nine daysof training. Yeah kidding training then yeah,
okay, doing a lot of cardio, dumping about fifteen pounds of weights
in my backpacking. So after Ileft, I go on the StairMaster and
all those weights up and down theStairMaster. And I was laughing at you
because when you first told me that, I thought you were kidding until the
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little bit of hiking. I don'teven I hate to use the word hiking
that we did in Yellowstone. Yeah, you're winded. The air's a little
thin up there, at least inYellowstone. I'm assuming it's the same in
Alaska. I can't imagine. Everythingthat you're bringing is on your back.
Yeah, so you have to bein some water snacks. You gotta rifle
over your shoulder. You want tobring a lot of water, Okay,
great, Yeah, it's going tobe an extra ten pounds a gallon or
(05:15):
whatever. Yeah. Yeah. Wellmost of the guys in our honey party
drink there on urine, so it'sokay, wow, you recycle. Just
kidding. We drink though the show. You're the one with a like of
sleep and I'm the one getting punchshowing off the rails. Oh man,
So what do we got going on? Doctor bat Dark Wet Safari Club always
(05:35):
has some cool stuff going on.Check out their website at we hunt we
give dot org. Um let's seein August. Uh, actually I'm gonna
miss this. I'm kind of bummed. Next week is the the Big Brewing
the Big Company Networking event at SaintArnold Brewing Company, which is basically just
a big excuse for a bunch ofpeople to get around and have a beer
(05:57):
and talk about hunting and outdoors.So that's on August and nine. But
I'm actually going to be at somepolicy in legislation meeting next week's next week
in Montana. Actually, wow,how about that. I'll miss that.
But September fourteenth, we are goingto have one of our life members who
I believe Byron is now eighty andhe just climbed Mount Kilman Jara. That's
Byron Sadler, one of our lifemembers. That's gonna happen on September fourteenth
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at the Houston Racket Club. Andthen October fifth, our big annual Annual
Sporting Place tournament at the Greater HoustonSports Club and we've changed that to an
afternoon start time to allow people towork in the morning, get on out
after lunch. And we've got somecool new stuff affiliated with that. So
go to we Help we Give dotorg. Click on the membership dropped down
and click on the monthly events andsign up to come. You don't have
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to be a member to attend ourevents. Coming out meet meet some of
the members of the Houston's Fire Club. Man October fifth, I cannot wait.
Football will be underway at least eightyfive degrees. Yeah, so that'll
be cool. Yeah, I knowwe're twenty nine days away from start of
NFL season or something like that.College is sooner. So yeah, I'm
(06:59):
excited, definitely am excited. Sojoining us today as a buddy of mine,
Jeff Garrett. Jeff is a lifemember of the Houston Sparra Club Foundation.
He's a real underachiever. He's alsoa member for the board of Directors.
He was also the chair of theGrants Committee and the Membership Committee.
Yeah, this guy, I'm impressed. Jeff, thanks so much for joining
us today. Good morning, Thanksguys for having me. We appreciate you
(07:24):
being here. Man. So listen, Jeff. We had to listen to
Ramone's tales about his summarcation. There'llbe a book report due next week for
a month, but as we wrapup the segment, we've got a little
less than a minute left. Jeff, tell our listeners what you do every
day for a living before we jumpinto your involvement with the far Club.
Well, I spent thirty years asa corporate attorney and then I just recently
(07:47):
changed kind of retired from the corporateattorney world and jump over to the business
side. So I'm a general managerof our licensing group. Which is an
international position. So it's a lotof cool international travel, and it's reaching
out talking to companies that want toget a license try technology and build their
own chemical plant using the technology.Yeah, ramone. Every time I try
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to call Jeff. Not all thetime, but a lot of times I
call them like, oh, well, I'm in I'm in India, or
I'm in something. Carjack, Carjackistan. I think that's Houston, Jeff.
Hang on a minute, you're gonnatake a quick break here on Hunting Matters
KPRC nine fifty. We'll see folkson the other side. Is this how
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you feel on three hours of sleep? I feel I'm lucid yet I'm floating.
Yeah, not in your not inyour own body. Correct something like
that coffee hopes. I'm sure youneed a straight line iva that stuff.
I had something called a red eye, a coffee brilliant. Do you know
what that is. I've never heardof it before. It's two shots of
(09:09):
espresso and then they pour the restwith coffee, really rest of the cup
up with call wow, I meanthat is to change. Yeah, I
mean that's just caffeine rush. Nice. Welcome back to Hunting Matters KPRC.
Nine fifty. Joining us today isour guest Jeff Garrett. Jeff is a
life member. He's a spar Clubmember of the board of Directors, and
he also chairs a few committees.Jeff, if you had to take down
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the biggest animal with your own barehands, what would that be? What
is the largest animal you could takedown with your bare hands? Hmm?
Maybe? Uh? I mean thisis life and bear hand. Maybe I
have Elina. I don't know.I wouldn't want to go anything too big.
Well, I mean, but youhad to. I mean you had
to measure not only your strength asa man, but you were defending your
loved ones. I mean it wouldit's go whatever it would take. I
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mean I would shot for you know, a black bear if I had.
Oh my good. Maybe not agreewith me though, maybe not agree?
Yeah no, you're dead. Butyeah, okay back there maybe a moon
bear in the zoo and China Sungis his panther wearing an ill fitting seat.
That is so funny. Jeff,thanks again for joining us. Uh,
you grew up hunting, didn't you. I did. Yeah. My
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dad and my grandfather were avid hunters, so I was very lucky in that
regard. This They took me out. I think I was probably seven or
eight. My dad gave me akind of a crack open barrel, single
shot twelve gate shotgun on a deafhunt and kind of sque it all started,
you know. And then my dadand grandfather had they grew up near
Cameron Rosebud halfway between barencous Station andTemple, and his relatives properly out there,
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and we'd always try to go outthere when quill and duf season overlap
and go and shoot squirrels and rabbitsalso. So I want to get in
hunts back in the day. Yeah, I mean, we've all been there,
you know. I can remember myfirst uh first farm was a single
shot four ten that was my grandfather'sthat was handed down to him, and
shooting squirrels and rabbits and bringing themhome my mother cook him up and whatever.
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You know. Yeah, my grandfathermade squirrels to cook rabbits. Yep.
Yeah. Well, I want totalk about some of your latest shunning
adventures here later in the show,but let's talk a little bit about um
Houston Spari Club, and you've gotsome great hunting adventures I want to get
into. But um, So howlong have you been been a member of
the Using Spark Club Foundation. Ohgosh, I'm not sure, Joe,
(11:30):
It's been a number of years,more certainly more active in the recent years.
Yeah, it's really you know,a passion of mine to be active
in supporting the missions of the club. Yeah. What what kind of prompted
you? I'm sure you're a memberof several organizations. What kind of prompted
you to get involved with the Houstons Faria Club and or up your game
where you're you're more actively involved.It really is it's you know, I
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think I've mentioned the people I'm eitherhunting and watching videos on hunting, reading
it, or thinking about it.So I'm a brief passionate about the sport
of hunting. I'm concerned about theheritage being passed down kind of with the
anti honey sentiment out there, justreally like to have it. I mean,
using my involvement with the clubs toreally try to hope, you know,
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create a legacy of my own tomyself about that. I'm trying to
do whatever I can to protect thesupport of hunting as it passed down to
my son and hopefully his son somedayso it's really it's I mean, as
you mentioned, there's networking, there'sfunny events, there's lots of fun aspects
to it. But I really likethe part where we're trying to really protect
our hunting rights and doing everything wecan for conservation. Yeah. Yeah,
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And so I'm sure you have conversationswith your buddies or peers at work and
that sort of thing. And yeah, you know, I'm kind of curious
to hear from you if you hadto give somebody an elevator speech, you
know, just a brief couple minuteconversation to say, it's might go,
well, why should I Why shouldI join Houston Spari Club Foundation? What
kind of what would you tell him? What would you do to encourage them
(13:01):
to become a member? Because andI ask you this strictly, not only
because you're a member of the boardof directors, but you're also the chair
of the membership committee. Yeah.Well, you know, our missions are
our missions preserved the support of huntingthrough education, conservation, and you know
the promotion of the of the huntingheritage. By joining the Houston Safarti Club,
you help with your membership accomplish thosethose missions, uh, protect hunting.
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At the same time, it givesyou access to other like minded hunters
to network. It gives you achance to really learn about the types of
hunts that are out there. Ifyou're kind of new to hunting, you
haven't maybe you haven't been to Africa, you get a chance to meet folks
who have been who can give youa recommendation of an outfitter. Um.
You know, the same way ifyou haven't been maybe up north, you
(13:48):
haven't hunted elf or sheep, somebodyin the club has. Somebody in the
club is using outfitter and you canlearn from them what's the best way of
going about getting that hunt lined up. We have fun events, we have
quail shoot, we have sporting clay'stournaments. It's just, you know,
it's just a really neat way tobe involved into really just network with like
(14:11):
minded people and at the same timehelp protect the sport of honey and the
heritage of honey. Yeah, andyou know, you and I've had several
conversations. You know, you talkedabout talking, you talked about people who
have never been to Africa and thatsort of thing. But I think,
and I think you and I agreewith us. There's a misperception that this
organization, the Houston spar Club Foundation, is about safaris and is about people
(14:33):
who go to Africa and tell ourlisteners a little bit about you know,
the audience in the membership that itattracts. Yeah, there's certainly there's people
who have been. I just wentlast month, the first time ever to
Africa. All my hunting has beenNorth America. I spend lots of time
talking to people about North American hunting. I mean, I think you know,
(14:56):
you can come to some of ourmeetings and you may hear the conversation
go on for quite a while aboutan elk hunt, mule deer, white
tail, you know, ducks,quail, whatever, that aren't related to
Africa in any kind of way.That's just people that you know, were
able to hunt things here in Texas. So I know when it says the
Houston Safari Clubs, clearly there arefolks that have been to Africa and they
(15:20):
can give you a lot of ittheir experience with that. But I think
it's a misnomer to think that that'swhat we're all about it. It's so
much of it has to do withhunting anywhere, including mostly North America.
And even in particular Texas. Yeah, yeah, it's a good that's a
good point. One thing the HoustonSafari Clubs they do so well that goes
overlooked as the parties. You guyscan throw down some parties and yeah I
(15:48):
appreciate that. Yeah, we hada fiftieth anniversary party. It was quite
fun as up at Conno Texas Armingand you have Christmas parties and have great
parties that associate with our convention.So yeah, we despite all the seriousness
of what we do with our grantsand and so forth, we certainly know
how to have a good time.Also, you mentioned you just got back
(16:10):
from a trip to Africa. Thatwas a pretty interesting trip, wasn't it.
I mean you you, without givingaway your story, you kind of
did your part on helping save acattle operation. Is that true? That's
true? Yeah, it was aIt was an animal had had taken the
third calf off this cattle rancher's ranchin about two weeks and he will no
(16:33):
longer be taking calves off that ranch. What was it taking calves off?
What animal was? Wow? Yeah, they had a nuisance cat out there,
and uh, we're talking about theanimal, not the person. With
the disease. Correct, Okay,just making sure because although there is a
leprosy outbreak in central Florida, asyou know that Florida, there's a leprosy
outbreak in central Florida. Not tobe confused with a leopard, but no,
(16:59):
we were. We were actually baitingon another ranch out looking for tracks
and so forth and hitting. Theprofessional hunter got a call from a cattle
ranch or five hours away saying,the third calf is gone. We got
the drag marks. I'm gonna putout poison tonight. Now, if he
puts out poison, you can killcheetahs, hyenas, jack bulls. Right,
there's no ten what else he couldget? He said, If y'all
(17:21):
come right now, you know,I'll give you the chance to hume.
So we got in the truck anddrove five hours straight there. Yeah,
we tracked him ten kilometers and twodays later we got him. Jeff,
nobody uses kilometers in the United States, I know, but that's what they
do there. If there's one thingwe can be proud of, we kill
the metric system. That's right.Nope, now, real quick, we
(17:47):
got forty five seconds, and I'msorry if I'm interrupting Joe, But poison,
what would poison consist of? Whenyou when they say they're gonna poison
the area, you know, Idon't know. I'm not sure. I
don't know if they would have justfound some meat and put it out,
and I don't know if they woulduse I don't know, and don't getting
arsenic sign out or something somethind ofa poison on the meat my wife's cooking,
(18:10):
I get it. Yeah, somethinglike that. Her chili kills.
Yeah, good thing she's not hereslapping me in the back of the head.
Okay, folks, we're here withour guest today, Jeff Garrett,
and we are going to take aquick break here on hunting matters KPRC nine
fifty. In the tree to makesome honey just for me? When do
you look under the The only twothings in life that make it worth living,
(18:37):
it's guitars are too good and firmfeeling women. I don't need the
name in the Marquee Lives. Canyou played this song today? So I
played just be cancelation song, firmfiller women got back to the basics of
love. Let's go to this successfulI've believe got a few had Fields and
(19:15):
les between Who Bars, Trains,Songs and Blue Eyes Crime and Welcome back
to Honey Matters on KPRC and ninefifties. This is your host show Beach
and Ramone Roeblists joining us. Today'sJeff Garrett. Uh. Jeff pretty much
does everything for the organization. He'sa life member, he's a board member,
(19:37):
he grants, he's the he's thehead of the money giving operation,
the heads up the grants committee anduh and as also membership chair. I
think Jeff, is this your secondor third year running to run to lead
membership? Uh? Be a secondyear. Secondly, now grants is new.
You've been on the grants committee before, but um, being the grants
chairs new for you? Correct?That is that's that's true. It's now
(20:00):
starting for this new term. Totell tell our listeners just a little bit
about the grants program. You know, what is the grants program for Houston
spar Club Foundation. Why do wegive all that money away? Well,
first of all, we're a fiveO C three. We've granted I think
over four million U in grants tosupport Oh you can help me out of
Joe, but youth education, shooting, sports conservation projects, wildlife study.
(20:25):
He tat protection wounded veteran hunts,yep um. That covers most of it.
Yeah, I mean we we doeverything from relocate prongran antelope and desert
big horn cheap and West Texas toto doing antipoaching, supporting antipoaching patrols in
Na maybe in South Africa and thatsort of things. So yeah, it's
it's a pretty pretty diverse offering,Yes, it is. It's a it's
(20:47):
a lot of fun. You getto see the money be put to work.
You know, we we with allof our events and membership, you
know, we are able to uget the money and then to to send
it out to the grants committee isreally fulfilling to me because we see how
the money gets put to work.We usually get reports back and it's kind
of neat to see the success ofour of our grant money. Jeff,
(21:10):
I'm well, did you have aquestion relevant to what he said? Now?
I was just going to follow up. The one thing I really enjoy
your remote about the grants program isthat you know and I understand why they
do it. A lot of organizations, whether it's in the in the outdoor
world or whether it's in any areathat provides grants to people who need money,
they have a grant cycle. Theydo grants once or twice a year.
We do them every month. Soas long as somebody gets a grant
(21:32):
request in by the first week ofthe month, it'll be considered by the
grants committee on the board that month. So it's it's an ongoing thing until
we spend all of our grant's budgetfor that year. We do it all
all year long. Fantastic, Jeff. I'm looking at a picture of you
in a pooch. What it kindof dog is at and what is its
name? That is my bird huntingdog, Stella. She's a Britney Spaniel.
(21:57):
Okay, and voice offered when hesaid, yeah, yeah, yeah,
she's a great dog. She's uh, she just came off of al
acal surgery wow this last year.Yeah, and so she's all cleared to
go and looking forward to Guy.I go to a place near Anavasota.
Quill placed and opened from like October, mid October to mid April, and
(22:22):
um, so we'll be ready togo. She's she's she's a very good
honey dog. Jeff did think Joeto come with me? Joe needs to
come out there sometime, y'all.You gotta just stick at the phone.
We'll drag Ramoe. Ramot would loveto come to Joe hate people. I'll
be there, but Joe doesn't likegoing here. Jeff, didn't you send
me a photo a few months back? You weren't you in a boot?
And your dog was recovering from surgeryas well at the same time. Yeah,
(22:45):
y'all recovered from together? Yes,well, I think that was her
other leg. She's had a sealsand both legs, and we didn't know
when she had the first one.In the vet said it's for some reasons,
very likely, is it what happenedto the other one? So she's
she's turned into quite an expensive buyinga dog. Yeah, yeah, they
all are, but a dog likethat. Listen, I'm gonna get in
(23:07):
trouble for saying this. I lovedogs. I have three of them.
They're just down the hallway from me, and your dog is beautiful. But
on vacation, I got sick andtired of people bringing their dogs everywhere and
letting them jump on other people,as if that was something cute. Oh
you don't mind Rover, he's friendly. Yeah, but you know what his
paws are muddy. Yeah, anyway, I just had to get that off
my chest. You feel better.I feel a lot better. I agree
(23:30):
with you that keep keep your dog, you know, on your leash,
don't let them jump out anyway.There's a reason they're coming the phrase well
healed, Yeah exactly. Yeah,keep those dogs in line. Jeff,
your dog looks like a beautiful puppy. And I hope y'all have many more
hunting trips. Thank you, Thankyou, so, Jeff. Let's talk
a little bit about something you're passionateabout. There's some things going on in
(23:52):
the world, in the world ofhunting policy and just wilife conservation policy and
legislation. You know that you UnitedKingdom right now is really really close to
looking at a trophy import band wherethey are not going to allow people to
import their hunting trophies into the countryanymore. It's in the House of Lords
now, which is their version ofthe Senate. It's out of their House
(24:15):
of Commons and now in the Houseof Lords, and there's some real there's
some real push going on to havethat thing passed where they're going to import
ban the import of trophies into theUK, and luckily, I'm starting to
see a lot of editorials and articlesbeing written by government officials in Africa,
South Africa, Namibia, those sortsof things, and also research scientists biologists
(24:40):
that are based there that are saying, you're going to kill conservation in the
future of wilife species in Africa.If this trend is set and it continues,
I'd like to hear your thoughts onthat. I agree, Joe,
it's very troubling. I think.I think is it Connecticut, California have
(25:00):
already done it here in the stateNew York, Yeah, New York.
Yeah. I mean. And whatI'm hoping is and I heard shame Mahoney,
you and I have talked to Joe. I'd like to listen to this
podcast. I'm hoping he's right thatthis is a call of action to hunters.
It is a wake up call.We've kind of been complacent. We've
kind of said, this has beenour heritage for many years, you know,
when the country was founded. It'swe've been kind of gone from subsidence
(25:23):
hunting to kind of more over sporthunting. We're kind of taking it all
for granted. Um. I'm hopingthis is a wake up call. You
know, people ask why do weworry about when things happen around the world.
You know, well, that's that'sin in in England, or you
know, they're trying to outlaw duckhunting in Australia, but that you know
(25:44):
people here in the usc that happenedcan give them ideas, give them strength
to try to do it here.I was just in the Midbile, that's
where that hunt was. I wastelling you say, you know they the
population of elephants since like nineteen ninetyhas gone from seven thousand to twenty four
thousands. The overall wildlife in thecountry since nineteen seventy has increased five percent.
(26:08):
So there is sport. Hunting isconservation. It allows the huntable land
to be set aside that's not usedfor agricultural, urban or industrial developments.
I think, as you mentioned,joe hunting is how they stopped poaching.
The government and when you until yougo over that, you don't really realize
(26:30):
the governments are just not set upto do a lot right. Um.
They have got forty percent unemployment inNabibia. It's very very corrupt. But
the actual landowners in the professional huntersare the ones that are actively trying to
stop the poaching. So there's allthat together is really what is conserving wildlife
and habitat. Yeah, and that'sthat's something you brought up. It's absolutely
(26:55):
annoying to me that people want tolegislate and effect other countries about how they
manage their wildlife and habitat and they'venever even stepped footing those countries. But
they're pointing a finger, going youcan't do this anymore, or you know,
they do it, they circumvent it. They say, well, if
we can't shut it down in yourcountry, we're going to shut it down
in our country, so it affectsyour country. And then you know,
(27:18):
if somebody said I think it wasJim Shocky then noted author and while an
outdoor television person, he said,I think it was Jim that said it.
Somebody said, I can't remember whoit was, but they said one
time that if people stopped eating bakedpotatoes and French fries, farmers would stop
growing potatoes. And that's the samething with animals. If you stop hunting
them and stop providing the thousands ofdollars to support these ranches and these hunting
(27:40):
operations that are paying local citizens andstopping poachers, and paying anti poaching patrols
and paying for fuel for helicopters andmotorcycles for poaching patrols. That stuff goes
away, animals will become a commodity. And these people that are standing up
complaining about oh my gosh, wellyou're killing all the animals in the speed
these are endangered and half of thatthey talked about are not endangered. Yeah,
(28:02):
but what they want to see somereal endangerment. Stop hunting them.
Sorry that it gets me rolled up, me too, Joe. You know
that you and I have a lotof conversations. You know, if you
look in the US, and Ibelieve these numbers are close. If you
take elk, turkey, and ponghornantelope back in nineteen hundred, all three
(28:22):
of those were in the I don'tknow, fifteen twenty to thirty forty thousand
range. Today there's over a millionelk, over a million ponghorns in almost
eight million turkeys, through conservation,through license fees, through organizations like hours
to the National Wall Turkey Foundation,the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation. Sei you
(28:47):
go down the list of people tryingto conserve untable habit tats for the animals
and conservation for the animals, andyou know where that started. That started
way back when when Teddy Roosevelt wasaround and Alder Leopold and as people who
were hunters and fishermen and love theoutdoors. They said, wait a minute,
this this this farm hunting, thismass hunting just to ship animals to
Europe or to make fur coats andthat sort of thing. This has got
(29:11):
to stop. These are people whosaid this is going to stop. And
they started having policies and legislations declaringlands as you know state parks and federal
parks and that sort of thing.It was hunters that are where the ones
who started the conservation movement saving animals. Like Jeff said, so anyway,
I'm gonna take a quick break herein Hunting Matters, we'll be back onto
the side KPRC nine fifty. They'rewalking on the plat side. Still raise
(29:34):
a little cane with the boys.I'll get songs and pretty women. I'm
still right there with them, sangin about the crack Town. Welcome back
to Hunting Matters on KPRC nine fifty. This is your host, Joe pitar
(29:56):
I am Ramon Robelists, and weare joined today by our guest, Jeff
Kerret. Jeff is a life rememberof the Houston's Far Club Foundation. He's
also a member of the board ofdirectors and the chair of the Membership and
Grants Committee. Jeff, how areyou doing today? That was my fault
I had I had, Jeff turneddown. I didn't want you need to
ask me these I'm doing? Funstopped, how I worked forgot how I
(30:18):
worked buttons? Sorry, Jeff,I had you pot it Downstill, no
worries, no ways. I'm veryhappy to be here. Thank you.
So, Jeff, we were talkinga little bit about policy and legislation on
the on the in the last segment. But something we need to talk about
that has happened in the past weekthat, UM, I think would it
would be irresponsible to us not toaddress it. And so a story broke
that the US Department of Education has, for lack of a better term,
(30:41):
misinterpreted UM some some historical rulings andUM, I'm just gonna go ahead and
say it my opinion. Only peoplehave their different opinions on it. But
what they're doing is they are goingto start cutting funding to public schools that
have programs dealing with archery, likethe National Archery Schools Program, outdoor education
(31:02):
and anything happen to do with thefarm. It doesn't matter if they're teaching
people how to shoot BB guns orto learn firearms safety. And I think
it's an end around approach to guncontrol, to be quite honest with you.
But it's considered to be a misinterpretationof the statutes and the laws.
And I am, as are manyof us are just infuriated. I'd like
to get your take about it.I agree, Joe. It's of all
(31:26):
the problems we have going on inthe world, that's what they that's the
one that they're focused on. It'sunbelievable to be honest to the point,
to your point, yes, inand around on gun control. And also
just the vast majority of people livein urban environments. Now you know,
these kids. If there's any there'sbeen ever a time that we need to
get kids in the outdoors, it'snow, you know, I get from
(31:48):
behind the computer games, sitting inside, being you know, on the couch
doing games or whatever, watching TV. Get them outdoors. It whether it
be art, I don't care,a game store, and be beguns or
whatever. Teach them about hunting,camping outdoors. It's just it's crazy to
me that they're doing this. Yeah, and I encourage people to go and
(32:10):
research at up, look up thisissue. And the other thing that I
think between the lines they don't publiclystate is what they're doing is they're going
back to these public school systems andsaying that if you have these types of
programs as part of your curriculum,we are going to slash your federal funding.
So these these school systems that arehurting for teachers pay and all these
orders other sorts of things are gonnago, well, I guess we have
(32:30):
to cut these programs because if ourfederal funding goes away, then we're we're
done. You know, We're done. And so I think it's just I
think it's unfair. It's just Idon't know. We could talk about it
for hours, but I encourage peopleto look it up. Looking to the
Department of Education slashing funding for thesepublic school systems, if they if they
even mentioned the fact that they wantto offer an archery program or a fire
(32:51):
and safety training or an outdoor educationprogram and their curriculum. So anyway,
Jeff, another serious topic we needto talk about. Is I understand you've
got a bad fee fiver. Um, it's called mountain it's called mountain fever.
You want to tell us a littlebit about that, what you tell
us about your diagnosis and what isthe expected outcome? Yeah? Yeah.
A few years ago I just reallyhead the outfort, you know, I
(33:15):
just really start thinking about getting upin doing some honey that I probably don't
have many years left to do.It's it's it's a difficult hunting to get
up in Climby's mountains. So Ithought, if it's come kind of an
hour and everything, and so Iwent on a first of all, as
a mountain go hunt in south easternAlaska coastline. Pretty cool estate on a
(33:37):
large boat that we slip on theboat, and each day we would hike
up about twenty five hundred feet umrain sleep Devil's Club Alders and I got
a big billy on the fourth Ithink they the fourth day. Uh So
that was my first hunt, andthat was very difficult. I'm not sure
I would do that one m Andthen I've done a cup sheep hunts a
(34:00):
couple of years ago when the dollsheep hunt. That was cool Flynn the
white Horse cannoned up in the Yukonand then took a bush plane up to
the base camp about three hundred milesso I didn't mc gun take, had
lunch, then flew in the helicopterup into the McKenzie Mountains. I remember
on that one the guy put usour tents on the Spike Camp on a
(34:22):
grizzlies bear trail. He said,see here, so they'd like to use
the same prince. And then seethese trees are right up against us.
All that brown hair, that's wherethe grizzlies like to scratch their backs.
So it's like, wow, that'sthat's just had a sleep opposite of each
other in our two tents with ourguns in our laps during the evening in
the nighttime. But got my dollactually on the first day that on that
story is where I Joe mentioned thebroken and I had a boot on my
(34:44):
leg. I broke my ankle atthe top of the mountain hauling the sheep
out, so I had to slidedown the mountains and hike out by the
mill a mile and a half toSpike Camp. But I bet your and
I think you're just kind of exaggeratingnow it was a sprained ankle and you
had to walk on hundred yard butby now I wish that was the case.
But it was genuine wild league.It was all I had to do
(35:06):
with were boots, didn't have toget the cast. But then the last
one was the last one was prettycool. Last September up in the northern
BC went Stone Sheep Honey. Thatwas really remote. We had about a
seven eight hour horse ride into thebase camp and then each day we'd ride
the horses a couple hours hike amile or so to the base of the
mountains, and then we'd climb mountainseach day. That one't that one didn't
(35:29):
happen. They didn't get the ramone that day. It was a nice
teen year old ramp. It didn'tget him until day eight. So you
know, you start it's besides thephysical, the mental starts kicking into Yeah,
but those are The hunting aspect isreally neat, but just the adventure
being out eating freeze, drive foodsup in the you know, spiked camps
(35:52):
and the tenants, you know,seeing the wildlife crossing streams with the horses
and just all the things to associatewith it's really cool. Kind of makes
you feel like you're stepping back intime, doesn't it. It does.
It really doesn't mean you there's nothingaround. I mean there's no fences,
no power poles, nothing, Andit's pretty cool. I mean that Canada
(36:14):
really is some of the most remoteand Alaska is there's really some of the
most remote areas you can get into. Pretty cool. You kind of get
a glimpse under what Lewis and Clarkmay have seen, you know, all
those years ago. When you whenyou're in that type of environment, you
really do I mean, you reallydo. You some very remote areas.
You know, I read a lot. I have quite significant you know,
(36:37):
honey book librating, you know,to kind of read about uh, you
know, read all the Jack O'Connorbooks and to kind of read his books
and the go experience. It's reallyneat. I mean, it's just fascinating
to think how small you feel whenyou get into something like that. I
mean, how Mother Nature, atthe end of the day, let you
live on this earth for as longas you're able to it. Really,
(37:00):
that is really true, Ramone,It's um, it's it's really something.
I mean, you know, andnot to take anything away from Texas hunting.
I mean, probably the most remotethat I've ever been on. Prior
to that, we had a largemule dear release years ago, my dad
and I with a lot of hisbuddies, and there was a now near
past Sanderson about eighty thousand atures,which is a this size rant. Yeah,
(37:23):
you go up there in Canada andthings are just they talked about tens
of thousands of square you know,miles of concessions and areas to hunt.
It's it's amazing how how how hugeit is? Well, I can't even
wrap my mind around that. Howhow one would navigate and traverse and communicate
and you know, coordinate these youknow, drop off and pick ups.
(37:45):
That's just extraordinary. You gotta havesatellite phones and yeah, you you you're
you're off the grid. I meanyou got a satellite. Yeah, yeah,
it's it's it was, It's it'sfun. You got being shaved,
Joe is you know talking about training? Um, you really gotta that's kind
(38:07):
of also a nice side a sidepart of it too. You have to
get yourself in pretty good shape,which has got other benefits too. So
yeah, you gotta, I thinkthink that's good advice for anybody who's going
to embark on a mountain hunters,You've got to get in shape. Jeff,
what's your favorite caliber to use whenyou're out hunting in the mountains for
these sheep and goats. So it'sa relatively new caliber six point six point
(38:28):
five PRCA. It's kind of like, and I'm not a huge ballistics gun
person, but understand is kind oflike the six point five creed More Magnum's
an understanding. That's what I'm taking. Brief. Yeah, that's what I'm
taking to Alaska from hunting for huntingwith it for the first time, the
creed More prc RC. Yeah,huh yeah, that's crazy, not that
(38:52):
one. It's a very flat shootinggun. I haven't It's taken down a
mountain goat and two sheep with oneshot and an one. Other pretty neat
part about it is up in themountains, you can have a wind kind
of scroll around and kick up.Because it's a very fast caliber, it
kind of takes out the effective windto a large degree. Yea, I'm
(39:12):
Jeff's gonna go out and teach mehow to shootman new gun here coming up
here in a couple of weeks andside down my new wife of my scope,
which should be here, so Jeffand I are going to connect on
that folks. We are unfortunately ata time Jeff Garrett has been our guests.
Thanks so much, Jeff. We'llsee you guys next week here on
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