Buggy Joe has your spring aphid update

Episode Transcript

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Good morning, everybody. Welcome.I'm Ron Wilson and you are in the
garden here on news radio six'ten WTVNA two to one WTVN eight hundred
and six to ten wtv and talkingabout yarding. Can you believe that next
weekend is Memorial weekend? I cannotThat's a little early. Uh you know,
it could be late at the endof May or a little bit earlier,
but it's a little earlier. Butuh, yeah, I can't believe

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it. Next weekend is Memorial weekend. Kind of crazy. Anyway, you
got lots to talk about today.Our special guest today coming up with this
in the second hour. Barbie Bletcherwill join us this morning, the Queen
Bee. We haven't talked with herfor a while. Find out what's going
on with those bs. But inas usual, but ebit dB dB D.
Let's kick it off with the buggyJude Boggs report. That is Jude

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Boggs. This is a professor commercialcorters. You guys, your THEO High
State University Extension and OSHU Department ofEntomology post boy for the issue. Extension
website is byg L dot OSU dotEEDU. Ladies and gentlemen, Buggy Jude
Boggs, good morning, sir.Wait a minute, did I missell my
name or what's happening here? Idon't know. Hell, we were talking

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about kids' names and popularity, andElla said that Jude was very popular,
and then everybody's named Jude, andI said, geez, I thought it
was Joe, but maybe it isJude Bogs. Now we're all names,
We're all Jews. That's right,that's right. So you just hear that
at the playground. You just hearhey Jude, Yeah, Hey Jude,

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don't let me damn so uh so, now we now we have this this
ear music right by the way,do you know do you know who does
the song or theme song for thisshow? No, that's a very good
that's a very good question, becauseI get I get that probably three or

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four five times a week a month, not a week, but a month.
Who is it who's behind door numberone or door number two? That's
one of your favorite guitarists. He'sno longer alive. But Stevie Ray Vaughan,
Oh my goodness, is that right, Stevie Ray and his brother Jimmy
Vaughan. Yes, Steve, Yeah, Jimmy's playing the organ and Stevie on

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the guitar, and the name ofthe song is Hillbilly's from Outer Space.
Well, there you go. Imean, that's just perfect. That's just
I mean, that is absolutely perfectfor us, isn't it. Yeah there,
yeah, well yeah right, Judea Kentucky. Well you got Jude

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law, you got I mean,there are Now that you say that,
there's a I didn't. Ella did, and I she said that. I
realized she was as always Ella wascorrect. That's that's true. There are
a lot of people named Jude outthere, there are. It's a nice
name. I mean, but youknow, I have to say this.

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It's interesting. Over the years andyou've noticed that we've talked about it,
how uncommon you know, our namesare becoming. Well, I don't.
I don't hear ron Hard anywhere anymore. I don't either. You know,
it's interesting you and I grew up. I mean, seriously, you go
to you know, you go toyou know, wait a minute, Joe's

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not still out there. It is, but not nearly. No, I
mean, you'd go to because youknow, we predate Mall's right, So
we're talking about we'd go to likeyou know, to like a farm gathering
or something out in the country andyou know somebody yelled Joe and four or
five people or yell ron four orfive people turn around, right, yeah,
he did you see? They havingthat that event this weekend in Kyle,

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Texas. It's Kyle Weekend. Allthe Kyles go there. Now that's
interesting. Yeah, well that wouldbe fun. It's either if a town
would pick you know that, youknow, Ellaw Weekend or run Weekend or
something. It had to be thename of the town. But then they
invite all of the Kyles or Runsor Ellos or Joe's or Judes or whatever
to come there and they have abig weekend and break the give us World

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Book of Records and all that stuff. So now now you've just opened the
just opened the rabbit hole. Youknow how many towns are named Ronald or
ron I mean Ronnie, named Joeor Joey or Johnny or yeah. I
said, well Joseph, yeah,Saint Joseph. Oh yeah, just I
mean, there wouldn't be many ofus show up there were there. No,

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that's sort of an inside joke,isn't it. Yes, so common
sensical. What are you going totalk about today. Well, I'll tell
you there's so many things. Thereare so many you know, like for
example, what what did we whatwere we plagued with? It seemed like
all the way through the season lastyear what insect was? In fact,

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I declared it the season of orthe year it was the year of the
until the until we started realizing itwas also the year of the scale it
was, and it's still the yearof that. It's still the year of
the scale that is. That's justgetting war. But you're right, I
have had literally, I think,on a couple pepper plants somebody sent me
a picture. Other than that,I'm not sure. I've had very many

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questions on what are these on myplants? And oh yeah. And you
know what's strange about that is thatyears ago, and I don't know what
would happen now, but years agothere was a there was a survey done.
I think it was done by gardencenters and and they were asking,
you know, like asking home gardeners, you know, their their number one

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pest. And I think there wasmore than one survey as I recall,
but each time it was aphids,I mean just you know, or afids,
depending you know, tomatoes, tomatoes, and what do you say,
Joe, I say aphids. I'mnot that affluent, so I just know.

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But but you know you would expectthen, yeah, okay, it
is one past that people do easilyrecognize. So even with that, you
know what's happened, because because you'reright, I haven't received a single email
so far, all phone call,you know, describing aphens. Well,

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it could it could be a lotof I mean, truthfully, it could
be a lot of our our gardeners. With all the information you know that
people can gather now so easily,maybe they're identifying them themselves. But I'll
tell you, going out and lookingaround, I'm just not seeing very many
at all. No, so so, but we'll have to you know,
of course, the door isn't closed. I mean, you know, aphids

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tend to appear during the spring andfalls. I'm painting with a broad brush,
but truly, yeah, they tendto be sort of a cool season
insect. And so you know,there's still there's still time. I'm still
holding out. But on the otherhand, it does speak to something wrong
that we've talked about many times,and that is how you know different insects,

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different groups of insects. They tendto ricky and fall. You know,
the populations are big one year,then the following year not so much.
And that's because you know, ifwhat's good for one aphen is good
for another, then if you havethose environmental conditions that are perfect, well,
it tends to you know, makeyou know, it tends to go
across different species. But I haveno explanation for it, because they could

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be washed off. But uh,your buggy ju Bogs, well I I,
oh, gosh sake, I forgotabout that. Just for a secondary
I have to have an answer.I thought I was Jude Bogs and that's
what that's who was talking here.And I'm assuming we're coming upon a braak.
We are. We got about twominutes. But you know, it's

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interesting how that and we both havenoticed that obviously with the with the aphan
thing, and it was amazing howmany people didn't recognize. I mean,
there are many different types of theyand they look different. They're different colors
and sizes and all of that.So I think a lot of folks are
confused about that one. I alsorefer back to Eastern tent caterpillars. You
know, you just don't. Youjust don't see where did they go?

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I mean, you know, there, all of a sudden, they are
literally gone. I look at bagwormsas I you know, I just don't
see the bagworm problems that we usedto have. Although my question to you,
mister Jude Boggs, was that witha you know, with us running
in the growing degree days and all, do you think that the bagworms would

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be hatching out a little bit soonerthan normal? You know, if we've
had bagworm problems, should we startlooking at this stage for them. I
think that's a question I want tothrow out at you, because we're going
to take a break and we comeback. We'll finish up with a buggy
Jude Bogs report here on news radiosix ten WTV in. So how about

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that, Jude Bogs. That's gotto bring back some memories back in the
younger days. We've just created anearworm for everybody. By the way,
Jude means praised. Joe just meansfellow guy, average, normal, average
Joe. So I think you wantto be Jude. And by the way,

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this is a great one. Ellameans fairy maiden or goddess. Well
there you go. I mean youknow names can have very deep meanings,
right, Yes they can, Yes, yes they can. So there you
go. I don't either, butthere you go. So, so we
were talking about the aphids and tooka break there what what What did I

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leave you hanging with? Well?I was going to ask you what we
were hanging with because because as wewere going towards the break, about three
things jumped in my head. Sowhat were we talking about? We're talking
about the disappearance of the Oh thequestion was the bagworms. With the way
the weather's been, do we needto start looking earlier? What's your thoughts

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there? Well, you know that'svery interesting. Yeah, Well, we
do keep track of these things interms of what we call growing degree days,
and we even have a website soif a person just you know,
just google's oh issue phonology pH eN phonology calendar, you can see this

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and you can see, you know, how we're accumulating heat units that that
then predict when different things are goingto happen. And the interesting thing about
ron when you look back at recentyears, I want to use that very
deliberately, recent years, it's trulyamazing how often, you know, our
perception may not match reality. SoI can't say that this year is too

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far off of last year or theyear before. I believe it or not,
it's it's however, you do makea very good point though, and
that in general, if we ifwe then look deeper, you know,
and in the records. Oh,yes, you're right, you know,
the temperature regimes are sliding a bita lot. I mean, that's why
the new USDA USDA Plant Hardiness Zonemap came out that Okay, yeah,

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warmer temperatures than average are creeping north. So by default, yes, you
know, things that we used tothink of with you know, things like
bagworm for example, which I alwaysthink of the hatching in June, don't
you, I mean start looking Yeah, yeah, it usually is. So
yeah, we might be sliding towardsyou know, late May. Uh.

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And and we are seeing that,I mean, we are seeing that with
other insects. The bagworms are alsoaffected by the other end of the spectrum.
And this is this probably counts forthe mean reason we have these,
you know, the rise and fallin bagworm population. So for example,
then we had the polar vortex winters, boy, bagworms just disappeared. I

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mean, you just didn't see them. And that's because they overwinter as eggs
inside the bags, and that's theselittle pine cone like structures, and those
eggs have a lower temperature survival threshold, so below certain temperatures they can be
killed. Now last not this pastwinter, but the winter of twenty two

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to twenty three. Remember we hadthe deep diving temperatures the week of Christmas,
I mean really got cold. Andnow again I do not have scientific
data. Nobody was actually out there, you know, taking counts of what
was happening, but given be reasonableto assume that that may have hurt the
bag worm eggs for last year.However, each of those bags may contain

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up to fifteen hundred eggs. Howdo you think about that? So even
if one bag, you know,one bag of eggs makes it through the
winter, that's a lot of caterpillarson the pier. So populations can rise
dramatically. And I'm looking forward SouthHera, I'm looking forward to this season's

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bagworms season because you know, wehave not had a really big outbreak across
Ohio and in a number of years, I mean, they went from being
one of our most common pests.I mean, you and I talked about
this in the past. You know, weeks after weeks, you know of
all the different thefoliations occurring. Butand just a little side note, as

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you move further south, bagworms areoften called evergreen bagworms, which is because
you know, as you move furthersouth, you start picking up a lot
more conifers, right with the bigdifference forests and everything, and bagworms do
like everyting, Yeah, they dolike evergreens. They do like conifers.
However, they can feed on overa hundred different species of plants, trees

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and shrubs, and so they'll alsodo quite well on oaks and maples and
sycamores and so forth. So youknow it's going to be very interesting as
we start monitoring what's going on.The downside though, is I'll tell you
am I too go to populations,my private stock as I call them.

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They they're no more. I mean, they got hit so hard that I've
gone back and I went back andlooked last season, for example, and
there was just nothing. So Ineed to find, you know, a
bit of a population and see what'shappening. And if you have any tips,
let me know. If I seeone. I'll let you know if

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you see some fresh if you seesome from last year, I can find
a lot of old ones because thosebags can hang on for quite some time,
but they can. But to beable to monitor, you do need
to look for, you know,the bags that still have a lot of
the host material. You know that'stied into the outside of the bag.
Looks pretty fresh even though it's ayear old. But but it is fascinating

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as you as we, you know, move through the years back to eastern
tink caterpillars. I do not knowwhat has happened to those. And this
is not just in Ohio, it'sit's elsewhere. I mean, one thing
is they are strongly tied uh totrees in the genus Prunus, so cherries
for example, and black cherries area big food item. And you know,

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we don't we don't. There areparts of Ohio where you don't see
as many black cherries as maybe youused to see, and so monitoring for
them can be a little bit moredifficult. However, when we have big
outbreaks of eastern tink caterpillars, theydon't read what we write about them.
Then they can be found on everything, including maples. I mean, oh
yeah, oh yeah, loaded withthem, you know, for oh my

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gosh. Yeah, so I soit's going to be it'll be very interesting.
Well and the same thing. Idrifting a bit. But fall web
worm you have two generations with those. Well remember I called you last year,
so I found one? Yeah,oh my goodness, and I saw

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one. Yeah yeah, as wewere driving around sometimes, oh look,
look way over there. I meanyou see one nest off in the distance,
and it was like a big deal, you know. Whereas you know,
she was with me when we wereup at the Yellow Springs a couple
of years ago, when just virtuallyevery black walnut had you know, we're
just totally encased in fall web wormwebbing. So it is. It is

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fascinating how things can rise and fallso dramatically. But I was going to
talk about white mark tussig moth caterpillarsa bit because they can be so sneaky.
I'm not trying to do that.You can if you want to take
a break and come back, orwe can talk about it now next week.
It's your call. Now let's talkabout next week. We'll talk about
sneaky caterpillars. How does that sound? And maybe we'll touch on scale as

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well, because I'm seeing that likecrazy right now. My goodness. Yeah,
all right, we'll talk about bothof those next week. Buggy Jude
Bogs always a pleasure. Have agreat weekend. We'll talk to you next
Saturday. Ay, you have agreat week Take care Ron all right,
quick break, we come back.Phone lines are open for you. It's
eight two to one WTVN, eighthundred and six to ten wtv in here

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on news radio six to ten WTVN. Oh my, talking about yarning here
on news radio six y ten WTVN. And if you tried to call in
during the break, we had alittle phone situation. The phone lines are
open now at a two to oneWTVN eight hundred six' ten WTVN,
real quick before we have to actuallygo take another break here talking to Mike

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Elliott yesterday. And I get thisevery now and then, And folks want
to know why. I always sayit of the show, pamper your worms.
And it's pretty simple. As amatter of fact. Yes I do
have a printed on my truck aswell, but it's pretty simple. I
look at it this way. Youknow, you hear me talking all the
time about adding organic matter back tothe soil as often as you can.

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Anytime you have an opportunity to digin your soil, put organic matter back
in. Always have a bag ofyou know, the cow compost of manure
or compost or pine fines or coreor your own compost or whatever it may
be. But anytime you can digin that soil and you can put a
little bit of compost or organic matteror manure or whatever back in the soil,

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good for you your core air rate? What do we always talk about
that extra step of top dressing witha little bit of compost back in those
cores that you pulled out, putthem back down in there, add organic
matter back to the soil. Anytimemaulching on top of the ground adds organic
matter back to the soil over time. All right, So anything we can
do to add organic matter back tothe soil is outstanding. Now I'll ask

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this question, have you ever takenan earthworm count in your yard or garden?
Probably not? And if you're asking, well, how would I do
that? It's pretty simple. Takea square spade, dig up a twelve
inch square cube of soil, sitit on top of the ground, sit
it on a wheelbarrow or whatever,and take a look at it. Do
you see earthworm holes in there?Do you see earthworm tunnels? Do you

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see earthworms in there? If not, you got a problem. If you
do, good for you and ifit's a couple here and there. You
need to do things to encourage theearth worms, like adding organic matter back
to the soil. When you addorganic matter back to the soil, when
you use all natural organic fertilizers,things like that, throw the grass clippings

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back, throw those coffee grounds backinto the soil. You know, all
of that type of stuff comes backbecause it helps to create your soil to
be alive. It gets the microbesgoing, It gets everything going, It
gets it there. The juice isgoing in the soil, so to speak.
And the earthworms love that. Andif you have a good earthworm count,
that means you your soil is aliveand they like it and it's good

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organic matter. And if you've gotgood soil down below and your worms are
happy, so are the plants thatgrow in it. You are what you
grow, what you eat, andthe plants are what they grow in.
So you know, pampering your wormsand having happy worms means a healthy soil,
which means happy and healthy plants.That's the bottom line. That's why

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I always say, pamper your wormseight two one WTV in eight hundred and
sixty ten WTV in here on newsradio six to ten WTVN talking to your
earning here on news radio six'ten WTV into the arding phone lines.

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We shall go Rick, good morning. Oh how are you sure? It
sure seems warmer out than sixty eightdegrees, that's for sure. Yeah.
Really the humidity yours still with us? Well, looks like we lost Rick.
All right, We're gonna go tothat stinks, all right, I'll

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back right, all right, andgood and good morning, Good morning,
Ron, thank you for taking mycall, my pleasure. A couple questions.
My roads bush, the last coupleof years, it comes in,
it starts great, gets the budsopen, and then all the leaves get
holes, you know. And thesame thing on my clematis bush. It

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grows, got flowers and all ofa sudden, brown spots all over.
Then they dry up if I cutit. The clematis all the way back
in the ground last year. Nowit's growing again again, brown spots again.
I didn't know what I could use. I don't think that both of

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them are related as far as causingthe issues. So let's go to your
roses first. When you look atthose leaves, you probably notice little brown
spots and alsodden they turn into holes. Yeah all right, and it goes
probably all season long. Yeah allright, more than likely from what you've
described to me, is a situationcalled rose slugs. Now it's not really

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a slug, it's a it's acaterpillar like critter. It's called a sawfly
larvae, And these little caterpillar likefigures that are about a well, they
start out about a quarter of aninch long, and they're lying green.
They look just like the vein onthe underside of the leaf, and they
actually feed on the underside of theleaf. So as they're eating, all

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of a sudden that spot turns wherethey're feeding turns brown and eventually it falls
out and you've got all these holesin there. And there are multiple generations
of these. So what do youdo about rose slugs? And it's becoming
more and more of an issue onroses all the time. Doesn't kill the
rose. They still flower and growlike crazy, but it's looks bad.
It's more esthetic than anything else.But two things you do for that.

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One is you can apply a systemicinsecticide, all right, which is taken
up inside the rose, and youactually mix it with water and pour it
around the base of the rose andthat's taken up inside, so that gives
you protection for about six to eightweeks or so inside the rose. Then
you back that up with a folierspray. So now this is something you're

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going to spray on the leaves andyou can use like insecticidal soap, you
can use horticultural oil, you coulduse knem oil, but you spray the
bottom of the leaf because they're onlyon the bottom, not on the top,
so you have to turn the sprayaround and spray up. So by
using the folier spray to get themthat way and the systemic spray in secticide,

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which is taken up inside the plant, you suppress them enough that you
don't notice too many of the ofthe holes, and you know you still
may have one or two on there, but basically that's about it. You
can also turn those leaves over andlook and sometimes you find them and if
you do, just smash him,and that's probably one of the best ways
to get rid of them. Butit's called rose slug and there's a couple

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different types and they have multiple generations, but it is something that's been affecting
a lot of roses over the lasttwo or three or four years and seems
to be getting worse all the time. But that's the basic way to go
with it. And I have atip sheet on that how to care for
those. If you email me,I'll send it back to you. Now
in the climatis again without seeing andI can't tell you a hundred percent,

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but there's a situation where they havewhat's called clematis wilt, and it seems
like most of the leaves and whenthis happens is in the top half or
top two thirds of the climatis.All of a sudden, the leaves start
looking bad. They start to curland well, and they turn and they
fall off and the hole top youlose it. You cut all that out,
and it regrows and it comes rightback up and does exceptionally well until

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it gets it again, and thenit all goes back again. You can't
and try to protect that with afungicidal application. Not one hundred percent effected,
but you can try to protect itfrom that. But it's a common
thing. Is this a pretty goodsize of flower wise a large flowering clematis,
I'd say medium size. I haveit not climbing thing, okay,

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because most of the larger flowering onesget that worse than some of the smaller
flowering ones. But again, ifyou have access to the computer, look
up clematis wilt and they'll tell youall about it. And again, pruning
it back is the best thing todo it, and the plush is right
back up and grows for you again. But it gets very frustrating because you're
doing this every year, et cetera, et cetera. But you can try
to protect it against that by againspranging with a funge of side starting in

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the springtime as the new leaves startto come out, maybe every ten days
of two weeks, and try toprotect it that way. Other than that,
that's about all you can do forclematis. Will it just you see
it worse in some selections than youdo in others. But it never really
again doesn't totally kill the climatis.It just takes out the top part.
You cut it back, and itstarts all over again. Yeah, what

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kind of fun side would you useon it. I think that if I'm
not mistaken, I believe that bonnEyde's fung to Nil or man co Zeb
I think may both be listed forthat. Okay, okay, well,
thank thank you very much. Youhave a great day. You're welcome.
Good talking too. We've only gota minute to go, so I'm not

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gonna jump on the phone on thisbecause then I'll run out of time trying
to answer your questions. So ifyou're on hold, coming up the top
of the hour, we're gonna haveBarbie Bletcher, our Queen Bee talking about
the bees where we are right now. Uh, feel free to call us
back at the bottom of the hourbecause we'll start taking your calls again to
finish out the last half hour ofthe show. So Donald and Jeff can't
get to you now, but callsback to the bottom of the hour and

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we'll get right back to you atthat time. UH do want to remind
you if you do have questions likethat, A lot of folks requesting that
hydrangea tip sheets one probably the mostpopular. I do have one on the
Climatis will We've got other ones foryou to go to. Uh. It's
Ron Wilson at diheartmedia dot com andyou can email me and I'll get those
back to you as quickly as Ican to help you out there. By

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the way, I was talking aboutpampering the worms. We come back to
the bottom of the hour. Iwant to talk to you what's also called
worm tubes, which you might wantto install in your garden or in the
landscape or right outside the back porch. And I'll tell you why, because
the worms love them. They're calledworm tubes. Be coming up next the
Queen Bee, Barbie Bletcher here onnews Radio six' ten WTVN