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Good morning, everybody. Welcome back. I'm Ron Wilson. You're in the
garden. You're on news radio sixy ten wtv IN and it's the number
eight two to one WTV in eighthundred and sixty ten WTV and talking about
yarding, and as I mentioned earlier, and of course you know me,
I'm one about getting those kids involvedwith gardening. Whatever you're gonna do to
get your kids. And I sometimessay the dogs too, because it's good

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if you can get the dogs involvedas well. But get those kids involved
with gardening so important. And ofcourse, one of the best websites out
there as far as kids gardening,and you all know what I want to
say is kidsgardening dot org. Andwe've had talked about them forever on our
show. As a matter of fact, our next guest is the executive director
and she's been on with us manymany times. She's been pretty busy the

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last couple of years. But guesswhat we convinced her to come on and
be on with us this morning.Talk a little bit about it because April
is Kid's Garden Month, back withus and glad to have her back on
with us. Is m Shipman.M shipment. Good morning, How are
you morning? I'm great? Howare you? I am doing great.
You know, last time I talkedto you, the kids were a little

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bit of the in college. Nowthey're not yet. I haven't saved up
enough for college yet. I stillhave a preschooler two weeks to go.
You'll never save up enough for college. I know, It'll just happen,
and then you know, you'll getit. Somehow you get through it.
I don't know how that works,but somehow you do. Hey, April
is kids Garden Month. And youguys, I mean, since you know,

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I stay in touch with the guysthrough email and things like that,
but since you and I have talkedon the radio, I is it just
me? It just seems like yourwebsite and the information and things coming out
and the newsletters and all over thelast two or three years, you guys
have just exploded. Yeah. Well, demand for resources for gardening with kids

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has exploded in the last couple ofyears, and we're grateful for that.
I think during COVID a lot offamilies started gardening together and they caught the
bug, and now we have alot more people using our resources. So
we actually in twenty twenty three reachedover two and a half million kids across
the country with our gardening resources.So activities, lesson plans, curriculum all

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for getting kids into the garden.And we offer grants as well and contests
like Kids' Garden Months that you mentioned. And so it's really a place where
people can come and get free resourcesand everything they need to get in the
garden with kids. And so we'retrying to respond to that by demand,
by you know, creating more andmore things for people to do, ways

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for people to get out into thegarden. And of course you said,
you know it's all free. Imean, go on there and download all
these classes and things that folks cando and projects and all of that.
I know you do have some corporatesponsors that help you out, but you
guys, folks like me and everybodylistening can actually donate as well. That's
right, yeah, And you know, the majority of the resources that we

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are providing to people for free acrossthe country are they're made possible by donations
from folks like you, you know, our grandma and our neighbor and your
cousin. Just five ten dollars donationsmakes a huge difference. You know,
when everybody just chips in a littlebit, then there's enough for all of
us to create these resources and sharethem widely. And you know, I

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think we've talked before, we're nowtranslating that some of those into Spanish to
make them available across the country.So really trying to make you know,
we can make people of dollars gopretty far when you make a donation to
Kids Gardening or a small organization,we're pretty efficient and we have a really
big reach across the country. I'mshipping is with us this morning and she

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is the executive director for Kidsgardening dotorg. Be sure and check it out.
Of course, you have Kids GardenMonth, you have you know,
you have Instagram, you have Facebook, you have the newsletter blurb, you
know, you have your community kidsis it what is it called the Kids
Community Gardening where they kind of talkwith each other with gardeners all around the
country. Yeah, that's the KidsGarden Community and the anyone can find it

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online at community dot Kidsgardening dot org. And it's a place for folks who
garden with kids to get together andtalk to one another about, you know,
what's working for them and what's challengingfor them ask each other questions.
So sometimes when especially in a school, when people are getting started gardening with
kids, they feel like they're doingit all alone. They're trying to figure

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it out by themselves, and youknow, it tends to be they all
have similar questions about how to doit and what works best. And so
we thought, if we can getpeople together to share what's working for them,
they can share their experience and noteverybody has to recreate the wheel and
make all the same mistakes over andover. But we can, you know,
move forward together in the use gardeningmovement if we're talking to each other.

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So we founded that in May oftwenty twenty one, and we already
have seven thousand members in there.And I just love the Yeah, I
just love the energy in that communitywe have. You know, people are
very supportive and encouraging of one anotherand obviously really passionate about kids. Unbelievable.
I would assume that your children areprobably pushed pretty much outside in the

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garden all the time. They are, Yeah, and it's pretty casual,
you know, they play outside andthey stop by and help me out for
a few minutes when I'm gardening andthen they'll walk away and play and come
back. And you know, soI'm not trying to push it on them,
right, I know that that couldbackfire, So I'm trying to be
trying to be laid back about it, just exposing them to it. And

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I feel like that's the thing toowith all kids, Like let's just give
them the exposure and they'll pick itup if they're interested in it. We
don't need to push it on them. And then there's like, you know,
a lot of different aspects of gardeningthat kids can get excited about.
You know. So I have onekid who loves to dick, and I
have another kid who is really alljust about the food aspect. Like one

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of the kids likes to do thework in the garden and the other kid
likes to reap the harvest and eatall the food and pick and bring in
things into the kitchen and we makeyou know, we make meals together with
the things that we grow. Itsounds like our producer Ella, she never
wanted to work in the garden,but always like to go and harvest the
food out of the garden. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Enjoy the benefits

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talking with with m Ship and she'sthe executive director of Kids Gardening dot org.
You know, in Garden Center magazine. I don't know how this may
have been this past month or themonth before you had they had a little
note in there about you, apage worth about April is Kid's Garden Month,
and of course encouraging retail garden centersin that to you know, do

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things for the kids as well.I thought it was really great because they
went through some steps there and somethings to remember when you're working with kids,
and you kind of brought that upthere. But I think one of
the thing was a couple of things, was the fact that you know,
you in corporate play in with whatyou're doing, and it's got to be
fun and probably fairly quick. Yeah, yeah, quick. And I think

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increasingly, you know, kids attentionspans unfortunately are a little bit shorter than
they may have used to be,just because we spend so much time looking
at screens now and everything happens soquickly on screens. But keeping activities,
you know, within fifteen or twentyminutes, so that you know, you
can keep kids attention spans and asthey get older, you know they can

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do longer, more focused projects.But like you said, also keeping it
fun. I think some of uscame to gardening and I myself was the
same, Like I was a professionalgardener for many years and really trying to
create beautiful, picture perfect, weedfree, mulched edged gardens, and I
still love that. But I thinkwith kids we have to just just our

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standards a little bit. And youknow, and you might still have some
of those beds around your house,but if you're gardening with kids, maybe
you have a couple of beds wherethings can be a little messier, or
kids are welcome to pick the tomatoesand try them and just not you know,
just not being so much of ayou know, if there are any

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perfectionist gardeners out there like me,you know, adjusting that standard for kids
so that they are having fun andthey're not you know, it's not a
stressful kind of we have to makethis perfect type of experience for them.
You know. I always thought that. I used to say this all the
time of the garden talks. Youknow, take a big pot, like
a nursery pot. At twenty fiveGama pot, I said, give a

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kid, you know, give themtheir own pot, let them grow their
own and the way things have changed, the laws and stuff today, I
have said taken that back, said, give them a container and let them
grow their own vegetables and salads andthings like that. And it's amazing to
give them their own pot like that, you know, big container, some
potting. So they just turn themloose in that, let them do their
own little garden. How much funthey can have. I mean, it's
legitate, you know. It's you'reallowed to put your hands in there.

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You're allowed to get your hands dirty. Whatever you grow, You're allowed to
pick, can need it, youcan plant whatever you want. I mean,
that's to me, that's always beena great way, a quick,
easy step to get kids involved withgardening. That's totally the way to go,
you know, and it builds ownershipand they're going to enjoy it so
much more when it's theirs and theycan do experiments with it. And you
know, I think just having thatmindset that it's an experiment. So if

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they decide, like I want tosee what happens if I give this planet
a gallon of water today? Youknow, how long is it going to
take for the soil to dry out? Or what happens if I chop the
top off this tomato. You know, if I prone it in this way,
you know, you can talk aboutit with them, and what you
make guesses, you know, scientificmethods. We can make of hypothesis about

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what things going to happen, andthey can try it out, and they
can look at it like an experimentand you know, take those risks and
then notice and observe what's going onand maybe make a different choice the next
time if it didn't work out.But we all learn better through those mistakes
in that trial and error. AndI think it's really fun for kids to
have like a very very space totry stuff out and make mistakes and then

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just learn from it and try again. And they're gonna love those plants so
much more if they are their own, you know, their own little container
garden, as opposed to if it'syou know, their mom or dad absolutely
talking with them. Shipman from kidsGardening and the website is kids gardening dot
org. Let's take a quick break, we come back, we'll talk about
with them. So what if yougot the kids growing plants and all of

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a sudden they all die. Howto explain that to them and get them
through that process? I mean,it's devastating enough for us to lose some
of our plants. But what aboutthe kids. We'll talk about other things
that they're doing in ways that youcan help. Kids Gardening dot Org coming
up next Here in the Garden withRon Wilson on news Radio six to ten
WTVN talking with m Shipman this morning. She is the executive director for Kids

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Gardening dot org. You guys hada seminar and you're doing a lot of
these last night seven o'clock talking aboutusing the gardens to enrich sensory integration.
How'd that go? Staying great?We had a lot of people out for
Friday night. It was a greatconversation. The fun thing about our webinar
is we bring on experts and thebook. Our team we are experts as

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well in doing these garden activities,but the audience as well. You know
there they are caregivers and educators whoare teaching through the garden, and so
they have a lot to share fromtheir own experiences and it's always just a
fun conversation, pretty interactive, youknow. You know, there's a lot

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of resources to share and a lotof times you're right when you get a
lot of people together, like thatit's amazing, you know, with the
experts, specialists plus people that aredoing and out there, it's amazing what
you can come away from. Andthat's one of those things we have to
address too, is we talk aboutkids in general gardening, but then you
know, addressing the folks that youknow that are physically handicapped not able to
do that. You know that thesensory thing, you know where there's a

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lot of kids that don't like that, you know, you can't touch things
at all. How do you getaround that and get those kids with gardening
when they have those kind of issues. And of course I think the one
thing obviously you're talking about raised tabletopbeds or vertical gardens for kids that are
using wheelchairs, getting the kids gloves. There's so many great kids' gloves out
there today that you know, ifkids have a problem with the touching things

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like that, the gloves are outthere for you. What else? What
else can folks if listening to daythat have sensory related you know, children
have sensory related behaviors, what elsecan they do to help them get involved
with gardening? Yeah? I meanso in general, there are like there
are things that people can do ifkids have certain sensory what we call it

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defensive behaviors, like if they don'tlike if they're defensive against touching soil,
for example, or they don't likethe feel of something or the taste of
something. There are things you cando, like you said, wearing gloves.
But you know, occupational therapists anddifferent therapists for a long time have
realized that the more time and naturewe get, and the more we get

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exposure, like very sort of manageableamounts, you know, exposure to small
doses of different sensory input, thenwe're able to integrate our senses and we're
actually more emotionally well regulated. Andthen kids actually have a little bit more
tolerance for things that they might havestruggled with in the past. So I
think it's a great idea to yougloves with kids who, for example,

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don't like the touch of the fieldsof soil, but over time, through
you know, doing different sensory activitiesoutside that might go away because they're working,
their brain is integrating all these differentsensory stimuli at once. So if
you think about you know, alot of people when they start to get

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you know, emotional about something justgoing outside, getting fresh air. We
talk about it all the time,get some fresh air, but I think
it's more than the air, right, It's get a little bit of the
sun feeling on your skin, getthe bird, you know, hear the
birds chirping, smell something and bloomor smell some herbs. Getting all that
sensory input of being outside can bereally calming for people. And so those

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kids who do have sensory issues canfeel more calm outside and be more regulated
in general. And I think,you know, especially in terms of the
school, they can do better inschool when they get more of that time
outside and those sensory inputs. Becausegold buildings can't you know, they can't
be all those things for kids.And oftentimes we have to have you know,

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central air and fluorescent lighting, andyou know that's all necessary, but
kids' bodies need a break from thatsometimes, Yeah, no doubt. Talking
with m Shepp and she's the executivedirector for Kids Guarding dot org, be
sure and check out their their websiteand see what's going on. And I'm
sure once you do, if youdon't have kids or grandkids, or even

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if you do, all the informationthey share is absolutely free and they would
appreciate any kind of donation anything,nothing's too small, and they can really
make it stretch a long way.It is Kids' Garden Month, and I
know you've opened that up for kidsto send in send you guys, things
about what they love about gardening.Have you seen anything pretty interesting so far?

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We've seen some really fun stuff.Yeah. So last year we had
this great young woman actually high schoolright into us. She wrote an essay
and again, people can submit anything, so you could submit a video,
you could submit a poem, apiece of art. And this woman wrote
an essay and she wrote to usabout how working in the garden it's what

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we were talking about, really felttherapeutic for her. And she decided that
she would like to go to collegeto become a therapist and use the garden
as her sort of tool, sodo therapeutic gardening with kids with special needs.
So that's what she was going topursue as a career because she so
much enjoyed her school garden program andit was so beneficial for her. So

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that was a really inspiring one.And then you know, we get things
from we get things from three yearold and four year old all the way
up to eighteen years old. Sowe recently had a five year old rite
in or send in a drawing thatshe did. She was growing heads in
the garden, growing head just heads, just rows of heads growing. And

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it made me think of cabbage patchkids, you know, back in the
day when I was a kid.But you know, maybe she was thinking
heads of cabbage. But it wasa little bit, you know, a
little bit of a gory h drawing, but cute and funny because the kids,
kids are funny. Yeah, younever know what you're gonna get,
that's for sure. I'll tell yougrowing heads well, I mean, if

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you are the head grower at agreenhouse or whatever, you're a head grower.
Yeah, maybe your dad headgare.Yeah. So there you go talking
again with them, shipman. Andof course, you know, as I
went through looking at just kind ofbruising browsing through the other night. You've
always had great apparel, like thesocks that I never awarded those with all

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my grandsons and all. But Isaw your new T shirts with the rooted
in the garden. Those are prettydarn cool. Those they're cool. They
have a big mushroom on the front. And we talk about you know,
rooted in the garden as you know, a play on words. And we
did this as a collaboration with acompany called Back to the Roots and they
tell these great mushroom kits for kidsto plant and observe, a really fun

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experiment to do with kiddo's growing oystermushrooms. And so we partnered with them
to do this collaboration for some Tshirts and every year, at least a
couple of times a year, wehave new designs. We have some fun
gardening all gardening related fun shirts andmerchandise, and when you purchase those,
the proceeds come to Kids Gardening.So it's a fun way to show that

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you're that you love gardening, thatyou're gardening, that you support gardening with
kids, and you know, alittle bit of that comes to Kids Gardening
as a donation. Outstanding Kids Gardeninghelps kids play, learn and grow through
gardening, that's what they say,and I think you guys do a great
job at doing that. Again,it's Kidsgardening dot org. You can order

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apparel from them. If you likewhat you see on there and you want
to keep getting kids involved with gardening, you can donate to them as well.
They would appreciate any donation is great, and of course we both agree
on that is getting those kids involvedwith gardening so so important, especially in
today's world. M Shipment always apleasure. You guys are doing an outstanding
job. Keep it up. Ikeep sending folks to you as much as

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I can. But man, you'rejust doing a great job. And it
was a pleasure getting you on theshow with us this morning to kind of
share what you're up to so far. Thanks Ron, it was my pleasure,
all right. Take care, mShipman, And again, the website
is kids Gardening dot org. Quickbreak, we come back phone nines.
We're open for you at eight twoto one WTVN eight hundred and sixty ten
WTVN. Here on news radio sixto ten WTVN. I've got two Cleveland

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pear trees in my yard that areabout eight years old, and they're thirty
feet tall and about twenty five percentof the end of the branches are black
and the tree looks kind of ragged. You know how they these Cleveland pairs
they put out their foliage earlier thanthe other trees. Right, it just

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looks like it's dying out or something. On the does it look look,
look, yeah, it looks likeyou may be even taking a torch to
them. Yes, yep, that'syeah. What that may be without seeing
it can't be one hundred percent,but it sounds to me what you're describing
is called fireblight. It's it's ait's a When you get that, it's

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it's not an easy thing to takecare of in some cases, because all
that has to be pruned out ofthere. So you go wherever the branches
are infected, they're on the ends, they turn black, they curl over
like a little shepherd's hook. Yougo, Yeah, you go back about
six inches below where that started onthat branch, and you prove that out
of there, so you get itall away. The kicker is you do

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that when it's dormice. You wouldn'tdo that. Now you want to do
it when when it's not actively growing. So you do that in the fall,
clean it all out. Some folksdon't do anything at all, and
those are just eventually brown and fallout, and sometimes it comes back and
sometimes it doesn't. But once youget it that heavy, it's usually there
to stay unless you do something aboutit. There are sprays that you can

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use, actually, one of themis strepped to miacin. Most folks don't
do it because it's a pain.It's you know, you got to catch
the timing just right, because thishas spread when they're in flour and if
it's wet, rainy, damp conditionswhile they were in flour and it was,
it sets you up. It's theperfect weather conditions for getting fire blight.

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So you know, you know,what would I suggest you do?
You know, you got a coupleoptions. You wait, and then you
go in there and you prone allthat out of there six inches below,
and then see what happens next year. Hopefully they'll come right out. And
I've seen something came right out ofit and you never saw it again.
And some of them it just continuesto hammer the tree. Then if you

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want to save them, then youcould look into using the strep to miasin
and using that as a preventator preventativespray in the springtime early to try to
stop it from spreading, you know, from branch to branch again by doing
But it's called fireblight, and youcan google it and learn more about it.
But it's a tough one, okay. Well, and you described it

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perfectly, and there's I've got acouple that are thirty feet tall, but
then I've got a couple that arefour or five years older, only fifteen
or twenty feet and they don't haveany of that on it. Yeah,
it's it. I've seen I wasgonna say, I've seen that happen,
and I've seen one have it andthe one right next to it not have
any at all. And you know, they've kind of got a bad rap.

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These Cleveland pears are all over theplace. You'll see them in fields.
They fill up, yes, empty, And it's not it's sort of
an evasive specie, isn't it.Well, it's not that they've gotten a
bad rap. They are. They'rethey're bad news at this stage. As
a matter of fact, ron youcan't buy them in the state of Ohio
anymore. The nurseries are not allowedto grow them or sell them. So

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it's been it's it's off the market. It's been quarantine done deal. Yes,
it's a non native invasive. It'sa good plant. It was a
good tree when those first came out, especially that Cleveland select that was a
that thing was a gem. Butthey were absolutely wonderful trees. The pears
grew anywhere, beautiful foliage, greatshape, spring flower, you know,

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great fall color. Just you couldn'tbeat the tree. And then all of
a sudden things started to go badand that real small fruit on there,
come to find out, started crosspollinating. The seeds were viable critters,
birds started eating them and spreading it, and now it's just like wildfire and
they are everywhere, and you know, we need to work really hard to
try to reduce the populations as muchas we can. We're not going to

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get rid of all of them,there's no doubt. But I've watched I've
watched fields like an acre or twothat didn't have any maintenance done, nobody
bush hogged or moted. Two orthree years later, it's a solid patch
of these pear trees. I meanit's horrible. So yeah, they're not
being sold. It's off the market. Uh, not a good thing,

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unfortunately, and it's just going toget worse until we really jump on it
to try to get rid of them. So yeah, good tree gone bad,
no doubt. And that just onething. Like in the winter time,
all I have birds all over thetree eating these little pairs yep,
and they eat every one of them. Yeah, the last tree to shed

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their leaves in the fall, theysome of them turned a real nice color.
But there the last sort of thelast, like November, their leaves
come off, but when they comeout in the spring, they don't that
they don't smell very good either.No, Well, you know what's funny
is about the pears is that,you know, they're always gorgeous till you
get up next to them and it'slike, what is the smell? And

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that's that pair of flower Not agood fragrance, but but what it was,
you know, and it was justthe perfect tree. They just could
grow just about anywhere. But theboy, we learned our lesson and so
yeah, not on the market anymore, not available, not allowed to plant
them. Okay, you mentioned earlierabout planting trees. Well, out there
in the Saint Mount Saint Helen's area, they planted billions of trees, and

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it's really come back to me,just a beautiful scene out there. Yeah.
I remember flying over that going toSeattle one time, and they just
kind of circled around so you couldsee that. What a devastation and the
brown it was just acres and thousandsof acres where that had all been knocked
over, and you're right, allthe replanting and the regrowing that they've had

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going on out there, you don'tquite see it at the devastation anymore like
you used to be able to seeit. Right. I've planted a lot
of trees in my lifetime. It'salways a privilege if you do it right,
and a few years later they theycome out nice if you do everything
right. But there is a rewardfor planning them well. Absolutely. I'm

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with you a hundred percent, runone hundred percent all right, will you
take care? All right? Goodtalking to you. Appreciate the call,
and I tell you he's right,you know again looking at those trees.
Like I said earlier, it's it'sthe you know, you do everything right,
and that's good. Point right,tree right spot, planning it right.
Show me the flare, remember thatthat old saying I started last year,

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Show me the flare. Every timeyou plant a tree, make sure
you can see that root flare rightat the top of the ground. You
may have to scrape a little soiloff, but it's in a container.
Make sure where the first set ofroots coming off are right at soil level.
Very very important. Look at MotherNature. If you look at all
the trees out there, you seeall the root flare right at the top
of the ground. That's the wayyou want it. But right tree,

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right spot, right planting instructions inthe ground, get it established and man
the rewards from that is phenomenal,not just for the environment, you know,
for Mother nature, but I meanair filter, the watering, the
erosion control, but for wildlife,the ecosystem within the tree itself. You
can go on and on and on, and the research has been done in

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cities about crime rates go down wherethe trees are planted, where health issues
go down where the trees are planted. I mean it just you know,
I think en was talking earlier aboutgetting outside, you know, forest bathing.
We talk about that all the time. You know, that's something that's
been going on for two thousand years. Go out and just enjoy the forest,
Get out and just sit down andlet it come to you. Soak
it in. All right, it'sgood for you too. So you know,

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there's so many benefits to planting trees. I can't push it enough.
So next week when you do it, all the celebrations on Monday for Earth
Day, Super outstanding. But whenwe get the Friday on ourbor day,
don't let that one slip on by. Get out and plant a tree or
two or three on Friday or Saturdayor Sunday. But get promise yourself you'll

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get out and plant a tree ortwo three, Please, I beg you
to do that. We do havea possibility of some frost and maybe some
friezes and outlying areas tonight, tomorrowmorning, maybe even Monday morning. I
haven't seen the forecast. Have theychanged that yet. If you, by
chance have planted some tender annuals,you're gonna have to cover them up.
If they're in containers, bring themback in the garage. If you have

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plants like Japanese maples that are reallystarting to come out, and they've got
a lot of tenderfoliage, hosas thatare coming out, really tenderfolige. Those
are two plants, two plants thatI will cover when we get into a
heavy frost freeze situation. I theydon't recover well when they get frozen heavily,

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all right, So those are twotrees you might want to do a
little freeze protection. If you getcaught by the way and you say well,
I'm not gonna do anything. Ithink we're not going to frost.
And you get up tomorrow morning andthe sun's not up yet, but you
look outside and there's a little froston your windshield or on the grass.
You can actually protect those plants,those tender plants by going out with the
garden hose and hosing them up beforethe sun hits them. You hose that

(28:30):
frost off, you kind of thawthem back out, get the frost off
the outside, and you minimize andsometimes you don't see any at all damages
frost damages by doing that. I'mnot talking about the freeze. I'm talking
about a frost and you can helpto save a lot of plants doing it
that way. Oh, by theway, someone called in and said,
talking about the planting along a riverbank along the rocks for a groundcover,

(28:55):
grasses are still one of the bestthings to grow along creeks and river banks
as far as I'm concerned. Tohelp hold that, but go to your
Soil and Water Conservation district within yourcounty, show them a picture of what
you're trying to do. They willgive you other suggestions of great plants for
growing. Because they've got great experiencewith that along those creeks and river banks
for erosion control to help you out, because that's what they're here for.

(29:18):
Thanks our callers, thanks our sponsors. Thanks to La Polardi, our producer,
because without La Polarti, none ofthis stuff would happen. Now,
do yourself a favor next week.Plant a tree or two or three plants
of native plants, get the kidsand dogs involved with gardening, and by
all means, make this the bestweekend of your life. See y
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