Live at Darby Creek with Jeff Turnbull

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Episode Transcript

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Good morning, everybody. Welcome.I'm Ron Wilson, and you are in
the garden here on news radio sixten WTV in broadcasting live today from Derby
Creek Nursery. Stop out and sayhello. We're gonna be here till till
noon sixty three sixty eight. Sorryto Derby Creek Road out and Hilliard and
Jeff. He's got everything fired upand got the hot dogs to the left,
and he's got the barbecue and thecoffee and the donut holes and all

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kinds of things. Plus you getall the plants as well, and we're
gonna, like I say, behere till noons. Will stop out say
hello. It's a beautiful day inthe neighborhood. Little cloudy, a little
wind blowing out here, but otherwiseit is very very nice. And as
usual, Derby Creek up and running, got all kinds of great color for
you, and trees and shrubs andeverything. We have the promotions desk here.
McKinley's got all kinds of stuff.We got, I mean you got.

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They have things that I wish Ihad, like six ten sunglasses and
t shirts that don't fit me becausethey don't have four excels and all kinds
of stuff. But and we havethe guy behind me, Grant, who
makes all of this stuff happen.So always fun to Grant here as well.
But as usual, no matter wherewe are, we always kick off
our show with the cup of BuggyJoe. That's right, but Buggy Joe

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Boggs report Joe Boggs OSUE Extension,UH Sister Professor, Commercial Articulture Educator for
the Ohio State Universe Extension. UH. You know the US, the Ohio
State Department of Entomology. How involvedare you with the that that department?
Quite a lot, that's the That'sall I wanted to know. Stop,
that's all I want to know.Quite a lot involved with the Department of

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Entomology. Poster boy for OSUE Extension, the Mathra Coffee Emporium creator and Ladies
and Gentlemen's website is bigle bygl dotOSU dot edu. Heavily involved with Entomology
Department. Good morning, sir,Good morning. I'll tell you you get
to go to some of the bestlocations. I'm I'm envious. This is
UH if you remember this one,they always have the donuts, so we

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have tons of donuts, donut holes, and then you got the hot dogs,
and they've got chili, and they'vegot relish and onions and everything to
put on them and for you incase you show up, they have fresh
coffee. You know, you almostyou almost heard the phone drop as I
ran out the door. But Idon't know. I don't think I can
make it up there in time.You could make it before the show is

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over. We'll stick around. We'llwait for you. We'll wait for you
because I'll tell you though, itis so fitting, it is so fitting
that yesterday was arbored Day and thisis our I consider this arbor Day weekend,
right, that's my line. Youcan't take that from me. I
can't. But you know, Iheard a very wise person talking about tree

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selection at some point, you know, with the right tree, right location,
and uh you know, let thesite you know, select the tree.
Just making sure that very insightful.Yeah, yeah, well, as
I said, it came from avery wise person. You know, I
may be talking I made a gunfrom you. Probably No, it's from

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you. I mean I get everything. I just you know, borrow from
you all the time. But seriously, the you know, we sometimes just
stick trees in the ground. Let'sjust be honest. I mean, I've
done it. We've all done itright, you know, you go out
and you know, okay, yeah, and I never have either. Oh
my goodness, my nose just knockedthe computer off the desk as it got

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longer. You know, at theend of the day, sometimes we run
out of time, or we havea place where we force the issue.
Boy, I'd love to have ayou know, a redbud right there,
you know, and then you startdigging, you realize that's not good soil,
but you do it anyway, andthat's just a it's just how it
is, right. I mean,you do this occasionally, but you know,

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you go back to the cost ofthe tree, the cost of the
time, and so and so forth, and then if you don't do things
right, you might then be readingabout what I'm going to be posting here,
maybe this weekend or early next week. I'm going to be posting about
two soft scales. Now, theseare insects that tap into the flowing vessels

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in a tree. In this particularcase, it's red maples, and they
pull out a lot of sap.And as a result of all this sap
being pulled out, they exude whatthey can't use in the form of what
we call honeydew. Now they're they'renot direct killers. And the two that

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I'm going to be talking about orwriting about a Calico scale and then European
fruit Lacinium. Despite the European it'sactually a native insect and despite the fruit
part. You can find this scaleon a wide range of landscape trees.
And again I'm focusing on red maple, but in the case that I'm going
to be talking about with the pictures, these are red maples that are in

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terrible locations, I mean to behonest, And of course we'd love to
see you trees, you know,shading parking lots and so one. I
mean, it does help, youknow, I've always noticed and you probably
notice it too, if there's asingle tree in a parking lot, all
the cars are clustered underneath it,right, so they're trying to get to
the shade. But those locations cansometimes also lead to a lot of tree

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stress, and these sucking insects goafter trees that are heavily stressed. I
mean, the data is clear.You don't typically see huge damaging populations on
trees that are doing well, orif you do and this is important sometimes
a calico scale. I ask somepictures of a honeylocust that's huge in a

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great location, but when I gotto looking at the branches, it was
pretty heavily infested, but it wascausing no damage. You couldn't see die
back or anything. But the keyis not then necessarily to spray. The
key goes all the way back towhy we celebrate and what we do to
celebrate every day, right, puttingthese trees in a location where they're going

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to be less stress, and thenmanaging them, you know, giving them
some water during a drought, doingthose sorts of things. And like I
said, you and I've talked aboutthis many times, how many pests of
trees and shrubs are really very muchamplified, their impact amplified, you know,

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by trees and shrubs being in poorlocations or being poorly managed. I'm
sorry, I'll get off the soapbox, but no, no, that's it's
great stuff. You're right well,and sometimes and I've heard you say this,
and I've said it and continue tosay this when I teach. You
know, tree stressed management is testmanagement, right, and you know we

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always look for ways. I meansometimes we have to use and insecticide.
Sometimes we need to bring that,you know, that power to bear responsibly.
On the other hand, very oftenit's because of our own undoing.
You know, we don't spend timeat the very beginning considering, Okay,

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will this tree in this location beable to make it five, ten,
twenty, thirty years from now.And that's the other yardstick that I look
at, you know, to say, it's not just today when we plant
it, but can it survive?Can it be sustainable for years to come?
Or does it become a yard stick? Yeah, that's yes, that's

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right, literally right, literally cutit down and put numbers on. Yeah,
there you go. So, yeah, you're right. Did you know
what I've always said, I've alwayssaid, you know, you got you
got Earth Day, and then youhave Arbor Day, and Arbor Day seems
to just kind of disappear in theweek. Nobody not nobody, but you
don't hear as much about it.And I've always said, you know,

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too bad, we can't put thetwo together and celebrate the whole thing.
And that way you celebrate Earth Day, Earth Arbor Day, you know,
thinking about all the things we cando, you know, recycling and composting
and all that, but also whatcan we have the biggest influence on Mother
Earth? And that's plant a tree. And how simple that is for us
to plant the right tree in theright spot, you know, find the

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location, find a tree to matchit, and then look at what it
does down the road, planning itforward. And I just I don't know,
I just I always look at ArborDay as to me as a much
bigger event than and I like bothof them. I'm not saying thing bad
about Earth Day, but you knowwhat I'm saying, just you know,
plant the trees and you're right,right tree, right spot, take care

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of the tree. And you dothat, you know you're good to go.
You know I had. You know, there's this young man. It
was on our show about a monthand a half ago before you came back.
You may recognize the name. Hisname is Dan Herms. Oh yes,
yes, I mean one of thebest, one of the best.
Yeah, he wanted to take overyour spot. I don't want to start
anything, but um, oh,well you know you you would get you

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would get better information. That's allI can say. Well, Barb Bletcher
was on last week in your spot. She wants to take over it as
well, I mean better, Imean crazy people. So give me buggy,
Joe Slot, let me let medo that. There you go.
But of course we did talk abouttrees and the importance of again right plant,
right site, you know, etcetera, et cetera, And of
course this thing came up. Andyou know he's doing this, all the

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research he's doing about the temperatures warmingand things changing. Yeah, and where
we could be thirty years down theroad and that and looking and looking at
what plate trees you plant now thatwill be still around thirty years from now.
You know that we are able totolerate and adjust to what may change

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in thirty years. You know.That's that's that is hugely significant because again
you know, as I'm saying,as I'm saying, of course, Dan,
I'm sure you know the same message. And that is so don't think,
I mean, you think of todaywhen you buy the tree, but
be thinking about twenty thirty, likeyou're saying, years down the road when

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you want this tree to do whatyou would like for it to do.
Great, and uh, you know, I know we're probably up against their
break. We are, right,we are. Yeah, And again you
know, if you're planning ornamental tree, smaller trees, you know, that's
something you're looking at in the moreimmediate future, you know, but we'll
see something in reasonable out of time. When you're looking at shade trees and
long term, obviously it's a differentstory. Chris. We got into the

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evergreens too, and that's a wholeother thing as well. Quick break,
we come back more of the BuggyJoe Box Report here on news radio six
ten WTF. Don't forget we're broadcastinglive today from Derby Creek Nursery on Soyota
Derby Creek Road. Stop out andsay hello, we'll be here till noon
here on news radio six ten WTVNthe area time for part two of the
Buggy Joe Box Report. Joe Boggs, obviously from the OSU Extension, didn't

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mean to take out more of yourtime. No, I'll tell you this
is great and it's just so.Are you in the car driving here?
Yeah, that's that's something. Canyou hear that in the back? I
thought, I thought I recognized thewind blowing. Got the top down today,
that's right, that's right. Donutsand and well, donut holes.
That's what I'm hearing and uh,that's in my head now, I mean

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that's what I'm And hot dogs anddid you say chili as well? Hey,
they got the chili to go ontop of it and everything on.
Uh, gut in your hand.But other than that, it's pretty good.
You know, I have to givea shout out because as we're talking
about, you know, reducing stressand what we can do to do that

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for trees and shrubs and other plants. Uh. You know, Franklin County
has one of the best extension I'ma little biased, but one of the
best extension officers in the state inmy opinion, with Mike Hogan and Tim
McDermott there. And and if youdo a web search, if you just
you know, go in and typeyou know, Franklin County Extensions soil tests,
you'll find that they do offer soiltesting kits. And then you know,

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as a result of you having thesoil test they will also spend time
helping homeowners and others through Okay,what do you do about it? And
you know, people often ask me, I'm sure they ask you, you
know, well, when's a goodtime to soil test? And I always
say, right now? Anytime exactly. And it doesn't mean, you know,

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you don't buy a tree or ashrub until you soil test. I
mean, you know, we wouldlove to see people doing this, you
know, to plan down the road. But you don't have to wait.
It's just a matter of finding outwhat's going along with the soil at any
time. And these tests are notexpensive. I mean's thirteen dollars for basic

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tests. And you put that,you know, against the price of a
very nice tree, right, andyou want that tree to do well and
again not be subject to you know, test problems are related to tree stress.
Well, you just see Mike andTim you know, you take advantage
of Oshue extension and the things thatthey offer. So I had to do

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that, right. I really thatsound like a little commercial, but it
is something that Franklin County should bevery proud of. And uh and you
can get that kind of help there. Again, I don't want to stir
the pot. But Mike Cogan,he probably says me a text every ten
days or two weeks, want ifyou're going to be on or not.
Oh well that's just if you canfill you control he can do if he

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can, I mean, that's athird person. It's you know, I
can I do part of Buggy JoeBox report. Now, what's as you
said? It's thirteen dollars he chargesme twenty. Oh I'm sorry. Did
I say that out loud? Yes, that's right, that's that's right.
Yeah, the Prince I think wentup. The seven dollar check is to
Mike Hogan, and then the thirteenis Zoe issue extension. Oh that's are

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we saying these things out loud?I don't want to. I don't want
to start anything. I just wasmaybe maybe no one's listening, Rod,
I mean, you know, maybewe're You're right, though we do have
Mike on every now and then.I eat outstanding both of them, So
yeah, you're right. And thenagain in the soil test, anytime you
do it anytime well and it canreally keep you keep us all out of

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trouble. I mean, how manytimes do you get, you know,
a question and you know in theback of your mind, well it's probably
a deficiency or it may very wellbe and viable. Way. Just while
we're talking about soil testing, uh, you know that's the basic price where
you'd learn about things like fosphorus andpotassium and soil pH and so on.
But just for a little bit ofextra dollars, I mean, not much

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more. I always tell people youalso ought to have a trace a nutrient
analysis, and those would be youknow, finding out things like manganese,
you know, what's your manganese ofsulfur, although solfare now is being treated
more like what we call a macronutrientbecause it's so important for plants. But

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at the end of the day,you put those that information together and you
can then solve problems before they happenor if they are happening. You know,
I mentioned red maples for example.Well, in our part of the
world, as you know, wevery often, because of our high soil
phs in southwest Ohio, we veryoften see nutrient deficiency symptoms that are related

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to the nutrients being tied up becauseof the high pH But learning exactly what
to do, you know, withoutguessing, and of course that's what we
don't want people to do, becausesometimes you get in trouble by guessing and
reacting. But learning exactly what todo to correct that can save a lot
of money and headaches and so ondown the road. You talk about red

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maples and the deficiency because sometimes yousee them very chlorotic, and of course
what's everybody think? Iron deficient?Yeah that in many cases it's manganese.
It's true, it is true.But you know I'm even getting away.
I mean I used to declare wewould all do this when we learn a
little piece of information. You know, every chlorotic goat is because of iron,

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right we think that. I meanI did that. I've even you
know, labeled my pictures that way, just as guilty then of declaring it
without having a soil test. Soyou know, we've all been there.
But these symptoms can range so widely. The only way to pin it down
is just you know, use thescience behind learning. You know what can

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it can be behind those symptoms andagain it can save it can really save
a lot of money because if youdo suspect the nutrient deficiency but you don't
have any guidance, what what doyou take? The shotgun effect? Right?
Not you, not me? Wenever do that, right no,
no, no, no no,I would never do that. No,
never do that, no no no. But it is human nature. We

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want to do something and of coursethat can be you know, misguided and
end up wasting a lot of moneymuch more than the thirteen dollars and of
course seven yeah, well that's right, the twenty dollars that might charges you
directly. I like that. I'mgoing to I had to give Michael call.

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Well, I you know, I'mhad to give Michael call and just
you know, maybe work something out. So beer money, I thought he
said something hot dogs, hot dogsmoney, that's it, you know.
And being with extension, does youknow? So now folks are listening to
us in whatever county besides Franklin orwhatever. But um, do all of

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the county extensions offer soil testing?Well? No, no, no,
they don't. And again this isdo I have to live in Franklin County
to have Mike's test by soil?Well no, And and that's another thing
you can tap into surrounding counties.I mean that's not. But then we
also have a fact sheet if ifif people just do a search, you

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know, Ohio State University soil testactually just that, then then a fact
sheet will pop up that we constantlyin fact, I'm about ready to do
some updates on it, but weconstantly update. At the end of that
fact sheet is a list of soiltesting labs. Now Franklin County uses Penn
State University, very you know outstandingsoul testing lab, but there are others

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and its it lists the labs,it lists how to contact them. It
also lists you know what testing theydo. For example, all labs don't
do organic matter testing telling you youknow how much organic matter is in your
soil. But that's that's also helpful, so you can go directly to the
labs. Just that. Mike andTim have made this a little easier by

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having those kits available directly through theiroffice. And if you don't understand it,
and that tip sheet does help youunderstand it a little bit too,
if I'm not mistaken last time Ilooked at that, it does and it
helps you to understand clearly how totake the samples. That's the big thing
we tried to focus on. Yeah, but Mike, Mike and Tim would
be available to help answer those questions. Should you absolutely so there you got

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us said either stop now or she'sjust gonna shut everything off. I know
I can. I can sense herfinger is hovering over the over the button
at this stage. Yes, itis Joe. Now next week, you
know what's coming up next? Youknow, we gotta keep together on our
Kentucky Derby picks. Absolutely, Iwill have my The picks are in you

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know the clock, we're on theclock. I don't know what that refers
to. But maybe I'll get CalvinBorell on with us and then we'll have
Calvin help us out as well.We need help right more than you could
ever imagine. Buggy Joe Buggs alwaysa pleasure website bygl dot OSU dot E.
Do you have a great weekend?You have a great weekend to Ron,
take care, bye bye, quickquick break. We come back.

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Jeff Turnbull, I have understood,may join us. UH broadcasting live today
from UH Derby Creek Nursery. We'regonna be your sixty three sixty eight so
on a Derby Road and Hilly AreWe're gonna be here till noon. Here
on news radio six ten WTVN.We are broadcast asking live today from Derby
Creek Nursery at sixty three sixty eightSocio to Derby Road, Hilliard, Ohio.

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Stop out and say hello, don'tforget to where are your seat belt?
And of course if you get tocar sick, do the drama mean
before you come out? Because yougot to go through about twelve roundabouts before
you get here. My head wasspinning and I kept thinking about one of
my favorite songs in high school roundaboutby Yes, Yes, from the I
think that what was he out inthere? Fragile or something like that.
But anyway, yeah, there yougo. But anyway, speak, get

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a through, if you get akiss at microphone. There we go.
Jeff Turnbull, D morning, howare you doing well? You always have
this place fired up when we comeout. It's always a great, great
to be here. The food nextto me is unbelievable. I will always
end forever. You know where I'mgoing. Think of Larry Larson thirty two
thirty two hot dogs, four bagsof popcorn? Yep, how did he

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do it? He was a legendfor like four days before you come here.
Oh I think he went back tothe studios eight more after you got
done here. He was here everyyear. He's still a legend. And
it's just unbelievable what that guy couldeat. But Grant, if you watch
Grant behind you, he's really close. Grant's close. He's already had three
and about six cups of coffee.Yeah, and now he's drinking coke.

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So you know, you gotta becareful. But anyway, you are stocked,
you are ready to go. Yousaid, it's amazing how many people
are out early this year already buyingannuals and hanging baskets and of course trees
and shrubs. And you had abig sale going on yesterday, yesterday basket
sale. Yep, the flower PowerHappy Hour that started out nine years ago

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as a three hour event and thenit just got out of hand, so
it's an all day event. SoNAT's a yeah, all day and not
three hours. Try go through alot of baskets. But you know,
so folks know, you grow alot of what you sell. Probably we
grow ninety percent of what we andsame on perennials. I mean, we
have like nine thousand in production rightnow. We got another four thousand shown

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up next week for summer production.So you grow pretty much, grow your
own supplement where you have to.Yeah, I'm the difficult things are the
things we haven't figured out how togrow yet. We let the people that
have figured it out do it.Yeah, and that's you got to do
that. And you can't grow it. No, you can't grow everything.
So you pick what you do welland you and you move on. One

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thing I've noticed over the last severalyears that you've really increased at Derby Creek
is is the tree growing. Yes, we've you've always been into trees.
Yes, when I first met youat dick Posey's a little get together if
you remember that, yep down atthe Man at the menicor yep, yep,
that's when I first met you.Guys are really into trees B and

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B and big big three four.It's always been kind of the Derby Creek
anyway, that's kind of been yourthing. Yeah, when we started out,
we wanted to be landscape sized becausethat's what we started out as.
We started out as a landscaper.And of course I come from Straighter's and
Jack taught me a lot, andwe decided we wanted to do some retail

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and but yeah, we needed bigstuff and found everybody wanted to buy big
stuff. And it's just grown fromthere. So you know, we're growing
three gallon, five gallons, sevengallon bald and burlap shrubs, you know,
smallest tree we typically carry bald andburlaps an inch and a half.
We probably only have a hundred ofthose, but you know, like right
now we have close to twelve thousandtrees on the tree farm and they're anywhere

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from you know. We like thoseto be two and a half three inch
where we go in and dig them. Hydra anges. Oh, are they
too many on the market today?And do you have limelight? We have
limelight quick Fire, little quick fire, little lime, ruby Slippers, peewee

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alice playing old oak leaf, sweetsummer. Yeah, we're pretty much growing
them all. We cover everything.Grant. Okay, do you have nine
bar yes, four varieties. That'swhat I'm That's what I'm looking for.
The two things he's looking for,God said Jeff Scott him here somewhere.
Yep. All right, you gottacover quick creak quick quick. We're got

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to come back. We got JeffTurnber with us. We're broadcasting live today
from obviously they're they're a nursery andHilliard. Stop out and say hello,
we're gonna be here till noon.Lots of food, Grant McKinley, we're
giving away stuff. Jeff Turnbull,Missus Turnbull, who actually oversees everything and
everything that happens here. She isthe boss. She is the boss here
on news Radio six ten WTBN.There we are sitting Derby Street Center sixty

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three sixty eight Sciota Derby Road outin Hilliard, sitting on the veranda and
showing the it's a little overcast,a little cloudy, but it's a nice
day out here. You know,when we looked at the forecast Wednesday,
we thought the whole week it's gonnabe a war. Shout yes, and
he turned out decent. Today they'recalling for no rain at all. Yeah,
maybe a little tomorrow, a littletomorrow. So get out today and
plant. Get out today and plant. Come in, get everything that you

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need to get ready to plant.You know, we were talking about how
you've shade trees or trees in general, been kind of your backbones that you
first started with this whole business.But one thing I've always noticed every time
I come to your garden store,and you always have a great selection of
Japanese red maples. We do sella lot of Japanese maples, and we've

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probably got Yeah, I really likeit. There's not a lot of other
options for a good color small plantin the landscape, and you know,
most times to find landscape in anentire house, I can find a spot
for one or two of them.Oh Yeah, there's always a spot for
a Japanese maple. You know.I like that the cutleaf green divertics.
It's one of my favorites because thefall colors great, fall color back,

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just like that lamey green. Ilike the way they grow. And most
folks say, well, why that'sso much color, more colorful, and
I don't know something about the it'sgreat, and the other one nobody knows
about or use as much that.I was the third house in my subdivision
and I planted two paper bark maples, and I would yeah, I would

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bet my subdivision has the highest percapita paperbark maples anywhere in Columbus because it's
such a phenomenal tree. Mine's twentytwo years old, probably about six inch
caliber six eight inch caliber, abouttwelve fourteen feet high, and it's absolutely
gorgeous in the fall color is incredible. It's one of those plants that you

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actually want to see the fall colorand leaves drop so that you can see
the rest of the tree. Itis kind of cordless contorted, you know,
you want to leave the fall offso I can see the branching in
the bark and the bark and thenyou know if you can find him,
and we try to find him.We had very few this spring because we
couldn't get them any decent size,and that is a clump form paper barks.

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You're right, you don't see thattoo much. It's hard to find.
We got four or five off thewest coast and they were gone in
a week. So then let meask you this, why aren't you gronos
in your tree facility? They are? Okay, We've got this little portion
there we go right out by theroad. They call it the Jeff Nursery,
and that's everything that I like.So I'm growing six different types of

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jat maples. I got paper barkmaples out there. I've got some weeping
Norway spruce out there. I justgot another group of jat maples in out
of Brian Decker a couple of weeksago. We gotta line those out out
of the farm. And you know, if you're gonna pull into the new
location right there on the left,I'm probably gonna have my next spring four

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or five hundred all Japanese maples grown. So the little bitty area is the
Jeff Nursery and everything else is theproduction. Missus Turnbull. Yeah, Missus
Turnbull she you know, nursery.Yes, she allows me a little bit
to play with and otherwise forget it. That's right, it's pure production.
We have to take another break,but we are broadcasting live today from Darby

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Creek Nursery Landscaping. Their garden centersare absolutely full. It's nice, a
little overcast, but a beautiful day. Jeff's here, Missus Turnbull's here,
Grant's here, McKinley's here. We'reall here waiting for you to show up
here on News Radio six ten WTVN