Mother's Day, Park of Roses

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Episode Transcript

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Good morning, everybody. Welcome.I'm Ron Wilson and you are in the
garden here on news Radio six tenWTVN, eight two one wtv and eight
hundred and six ten WTVN. Inhis Mother's Day weekend. If you're headed
out to your local independent garden centers, be patient. They're gonna be a
little busy this weekend. Been alittle busy this week, gonna be a
little busy next week. But it'sthat time of the year, so stick

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with him please and be patient.But in his Mother's Day weekend, and
moms do love things for and fromthe garden. We'll talk more about that
as we go through the show.But it's time for the Buggy Joe Boggs
Report. That would be Joe Boggs, Assistant Professor, Commercial Order Coach Jade
Cunning for the High State Verse ExtensionPost Department of ben Tomology Post Report for
those two extension co creator Mothar's CoffeeImportum and his website Bagle bygl dot oshu

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dot etu, Ladies and gentlemen,the one and Only Buggy Joe Boggs.
I'll tell you it just keeps gettingbetter, you know, you just keep
working more and more in and andand I just don't know what's next.
Um I don't either. Happy Mother'sDay weekend, by the way, And
I thought it was kind of interestingyou were talking about the things that your

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mom had taught you over the yearswhen you were talking earlier, and you
know, the thing about time travel, I thought was pretty interesting. She
said, you know, if youdon't straighten up, Joe, I'm going
to knock you into the middle ofnext week. That's true. That's true.
Also speed of light, Yeah yeah, yeah, speed of light or
the circle of life. You know, Joe, I brought you into this
world. I can take you out. Yeah yeah, I'll tell you it

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was a tough time. I'll tellyou. The one I like the best
was when your mom taught you thescience of osmosis. I thought that was
so appropriate. Joey, shut yourmouth and eat your dinner. You know
that that was And and of courserun you never responded, did you.
You never started like you knew betterto do that you knew better. This

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is this is the big weekend,isn't it forgetting gardening going? It's uh,
well, you know, we wewaived the checkered flags last week and
kind of got everybody started and rumblingthrough the week this week, so it's
been a real crazy week all allweek, and of course Mother's Day weekend
obviously is always a fantastic weekend atthe garden centers. That's why I just
remind everybody if you do go outto the garden centers, which is a

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great thing to do for moms,just be patient because they're going to be
extremely busy and they go gear upfor it. It's not the first rodeo,
but you know, it gets verycrazy, so just be patient,
no, get you taken care of. You know, I heard I heard
from someone about this little knockout rose, so you know, not it doesn't
get very big and even having containersand you know, ron, I've I

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like, I've always loved knockout roses. I mean before even coming to extensions.
So what was the name of thatlittle petite knockout rose. I don't
know what are you talking about.I heard it from somebody that knows,
that actually knows stuff, unlike me. That's a little knockout rose. I

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can't recall the name of it.I who would know more than you?
Now listen you, I'm referring toyou, Yes, he told me about
this little I've heard this little aboutthis little knockout rose. What was that?
It's our we have a plan pickof the week, and um uh
that happens to be our playoff pickof the week this week. It's called

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Petite Meat Petite. I'm intrigued.I'm very verged by that. Been really
impressed it. You know, ithas all the qualities of the Knockout series
as far as disease resistance, reblooming. I think it's one of the best
ones. I mean it does.It doesn't stop all year long. And
you're right, it only gets abouteighteen inches higher, so about eighteen ye

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but kind of just a little uprightgrower. It's uh. This he ever
the only miniature knockout in the Knockoutseries. But the Flower Joe is really
cool. It's about an inch anda half in diameter. It is a
true fire engine red and it's adouble rows so it's not a you know,
just a flat single pedal. Thisis this is like the double and
it's a firing you read that.The leaves are really dark, I mean

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darker than all the other roses.Glossy leaves, great in containers, great
in the ground. But it's ait's a good one. I've I think
we've been growing us now for aboutthree years a fall and two seasons,
and I've been just totally impressed withwhat we're seeing in petite knockout. You

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know, my life and I havebeen trying some things out and sometimes we
forget about these opportunities. So soI could plant that in a container,
let's say on the front porch wehave a lot of plants there, but
then in the fall I can transferit into the into the ground to have
it established for years to come.Is that is that a pretty good idea?

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Yeah? Absolutely, I mean youknow you can you can put them
in the container all year, thenplant them in the fall in the ground,
or if you just like it inthe container, put it in the
unheated garage you're an unheated shed overthe winter, down in a window well
over the winter water about once amonth, and then bring it back out,
you know, sometime in mid tolate marching, keep it growing in
the pot. So that's kind ofup to you. You can do it
either way. That's I think that'sa wonderful idea. In fact, a

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lot of our landscaping evolved from thatway. It's interesting, you know,
we'll have it. Oh yeah,we have a lot of things now that
you know, and usually there's justlike a like a single plant or a
few plants where we have in theback. But but that's what we've done
because you know, you can't alwayspick where you can see something from your
front porch, so instead of youin your landscaping, so instead bring it

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on your front porch, enjoy itfirst season, and then out planted.
It's just that sometimes we focus toomuch. I do, and I think
it's easy to do to say,oh no, this is knockout roads.
You need to put it out inthe landscaping one. Certainly you could,
but you could enjoy it firsthand.And so when I heard about this,
I'm gonna have to have to lookinto it. Now. Let me ask

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something. And this is an ongoingdebate with my wife. Of course,
it's mother Day, Mother's Day weekend, and and you know, being that
she is a mom of two wonderfulkids, they took after her, not
me. You know, we're notdebating this weekend, right, Thank god,
you're right, But do knockout roses? We have two, as you

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know, we have knockout roses flankingour driveway, and they've been there,
my goodness, I think about itfor nineteen years. Of course, you
know, I've been taking care ofthem, pruning them back occasionally, particularly
this spring, because they did getkind of you know, burnt in the
winter, and that's I know that'snot the right word, but that's what

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it looked like. But they're springingback and and it's just not a bad
idea to do that every year.But I get very a very strong scent
from those roses. I mean Ican smell them up on the porch.
My wife doesn't smell them quite thesame way. So so there's a debate.
Does this petite example? Have younoticed a scent with a nice rose

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scent? No? All right,well that's interesting. So not all knockouts,
most of the knockouts, don't.I mean, you know, you
can still have that rose scent outof those, but not all the knockouts.
A matter of fact, I thinkthe the yellow one I can't think
of the name of sunny knockout wasthe first one that they actually promoted as

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a fragrant knockout rose. So youknow, I love it. You can
get some fragrance out of them,but as a true fragrant rose. And
that's kind of an interesting point youbring up because over the plant breeding of
over all the years, we hadto folks on from Bailey the nursery who
does star roses and all about amonth and a half ago, and she
said, you know what one ofthe trends that's going on now is is
trying to bring fragrance, you know, scents back into the rose garden.

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And you know, breeding landscape roseslike the knockouts and the miniatures and things
like that in the groundcover roses thathave not only the disease resistance, low
maintenance, but a scent as well, to bring that back into the garden
again because it kind of got lost. It's true, it's true, and
I love what you said there thedisease resistance. You know, we've been

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very concerned over the past ten fifteenyears for a number of diseases, rose
rosette being one that's really been aconcern. But I have to apply the
breeders. They never gave up Ron. You've not talked about this some time
ago. When Rose rosette, forexample, first really arrived on the scene.
I just thought that was the end. That's the end of knockouts,

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that's the end of hybrid tease.You know, that's the end of just
about And of course in some plantingswe did see you know, heavy infections
and heavy losses. But the breedersdidn't give up, did they. Oh
no, they continue to work onresearch for for not only the virus,
yeah, you're right, viruses lomanus, the disease reblooming heartiness sense. I

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mean, they just keep going andgoing and going. She actually told me
that Joe and they have because Isaid, well, how do you just
have a rose all of a suddenit meets the trends of today? You
don't just pull that out of yourhead because it takes a long time.
She said, they actually have multipleroses in in the back they've been around
for seven and eight ten years thatthey've never released that meet those criteria,

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and that you know, when theysee what a trend is a color trend,
they can bring that, pluck thatone out and propagate that one,
and then that becomes more towards theObviously she'll takes a couple of years,
but they're within a couple of yearsof whatever is trending, which I thought
that is interesting. Yeah, that'svery interesting. I didn't know that because
I've often wondered the same thing.It seems like just about the time that

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people are really start start to pickup on something, all of a sudden
something arrives. This fateit, forexample, is a good example with a
container rose with the popularity, youknow, where people can't have a garden,
they might just have a they mightjust have a balcony. You can
have a wonderful, you know,beautiful little rose out on the balcony and
a container. And yeah, I'veoften undered the same thing. How do

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they know? I thought it wasI heard of just a rose crystal ball,
you know, the kind of inmy bag ball you just shake it
around. Un By the way,we got gotta take a break. But
I just want to remind you,Joe, that our picks last week didn't
do very well. No, no, I wasn't gonna bring it up.
Hey, two fills got second,and I chose two fills the show,

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so that was one that was upthere. But otherwise the rest of our
picks not so good. I didn'tthink these thoroughbred race horses would just start
grazing in the middle of a race. I never saw that before. But
oh my talking about Bucky Joe Box. Of course, their website bygl dot
Osu dot Eedu. We'll talk morewith Joe after the break here on news

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radio six ten WTVN. My mybuddy, I like it. I don't
like my buddy. I am,I am. I tell you this is
a This is a buddy show that'sexactly like said buddy. Well, that's
why I was. I was thinking. You know, we started off talking
about the nice things about plants,and I'm trying to segue here. You

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know, I'm thinking of plant buds, and I'm thinking about things that look
like plant buds but drip honeydew andyeah, working too hard at it.
Yeah, I'm working at a darn'tI So I've so this is kind of
getting ahead of the game a littlebit. You mentioned the our blog,
the Buckeye Yard and Garden Line Bigeland uh, I'm about the post.
I have a series I developed thisspring just called you know, uh sticky

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like like sticky dripping maples. Wetalked about that last week and then uh,
you're about to see sticky dripping oaksand then the sticky, dripping European
beach. So what are we talkingabout here, Well, we're talking about
insects, you know that that usetheir piercing sucking mouthparts to jab into various

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trees and sometimes shrubs, and theyjab into floam vessels. Of course,
that's where we see you know,sugary water, you know, sugary sap
being moved up and down the plantswith the sugary material being created by photosynthesis.
Right, So, so you havedissolved in this sap, you know,

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carbohydrates, but then a little bitof amino acid. Now, amino
acids are very important building blocks forproteins enzymes, they're important for the physiology
of the insect. But there's athere's a very small quantity of amino acids
dissolved compared to the carbohydrates. Sothese insects have to withdraw a lot of

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SAP to get it that little bitof amino acids, and of course that
creates that creates a problem. Itcreates a problem that they have to get
rid of all that extra that extraSAP, sugary sap, and they they
scret it out their back ends inthe form of what we call honeydew,
and of course listeners, you know, any gardener that's been doing this for

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a while, nose honeydew, particularlyfrom aphids. They're like the poster child
of honeydew producers, right, Andof course, you know the honeydew falls
down on you know, other plants, or you know the stems, leaves,
slow moving gardeners and so on,it can become colonize. It can
colonize by black footy molds, soit can create a sticky, unsightly mess.

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And this is the time of yearthat two big honeydew producers seem to
be on a roll. The first, of course, have already mentioned as
aphids, and of course you knowaphids tend to be more of a spring
and fall problem, and part ofthe reason is they do best when temperatures
are bit on the cool side.The other reason, particularly in the spring

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and early summer, is that theapid populations build up. You get a
lot of apids, but then thethree p's start showing up. That's predators,
parasitoids, and pathogens. Let's startknocking back the population. So it's
a little lag phase there. Weget a lot of apids at the beginning,
and of course then they start fadingaway. Another big honeydew producer though

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over what we call soft scales,and as we talked about before, that
could be calico scale, that couldbe a European fruit lacinium, and that's
what we've talked about on maples,for example, although both of those scales
could be on a wide range oftrees. But this week, you know,
I'm going to be posting a bigalert, in fact, maybe just

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in about an hour about what wecall oak lakinium scales, and as the
name implies, they show up onoak trees. But what's happening? Run
and I got I've been getting someemails and texts from arborus where you have
an oak tree that that really youdon't find a lot of aphids, and

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really you don't find a lot ofLakenium skills. But the honeydu is dripping
to beat the band. It's it'sit's very apparent. And so what we
believe is happening. And this isparticularly true of the aphids. There's a
group of apids called Mysachalis afids.That's the name of the genus, but

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another common name are oak aphids,and they seem to be champion honeydee producers.
You can have very few apods.If you look under the leaves,
you'll see these green, kind oflight green, yellowish green aphids, and
it's it doesn't look like there areso many aphids that you would get so
much honeydee. But they do producehoneydue. I don't know where, Yes,

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they do, they do. Thepoint being is that it's perplexing because
I've experienced this. Back in twentytwelve, for example, I came across
a pretty good size burroqu and theleaves were just speckled with honeydew and slipping
them over again, I was lookingand very few apids. I just didn't

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know what was going on, butit had to be there was anything else
on there. And then in twentynineteen, same thing that was actually on
a white oak, and then justrecently on another burrou a small baroque,
I found, you know, afew some apids, but then also oaklucanium
scale. I'm not sure which onewas not competing the other, although I
think the apids were the dominant factor. So the point I'm making is that

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this is the time of year whenwe see a lot of honeydew coming out
of different tests. The soft scales, most of them over winners females.
Right now, they're they're really reachingtheir maximum size because the overwinterers nymphs and
then they start what we call puffingup as they extract the sap and so

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now you can kind of see them, although they are often hidden within the
buds. Sometimes you won't see themwithin the huge collections. But it can
be diagnostically perplexing based on the amountof honey. Do your thing. So
what I'm just saying is take avery close look. But on the other
hand, don't panic, because Ilook at aphids as being the will to

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beasts of the insect world. Everythingeats them, and as I said earlier,
usually populations start declining. The saftscales can present a longer term issue.
However, even they have the threepas that can help to manage them
as long as you don't have ahuge population going on, which in that

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case sometimes you might have to dosomething, but as you know, rarely
do you really have to do something. A few of the scales, like
like I mentioned, Calico scale,can get out of hand. European fruit
lukenium on different ornamental fruit trees likecrab apples and cherries can get out out
of hand a little bit, butbut in general, you know, it's

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the idea of well, let youknow, let nature take its course.
You know, it's funny. Again, no, no, go ahead.
Well I was gonna say, we'rerunning out of time, but I again,
you can get these posts at bygldot dot e tou. They were
doing a story, a news storythe other night, and they were fuzzing
out the person they were interviewing becausethey didn't want to be on camera.

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So they had the camera on abranch of a locust tree which was totally
covered with scale. Oh my goodness, and they had no idea. I
kept thinking, oh my god,I wanted you. I gotta get some
recorders for Joe. Yeah. I'vehad that happen where you're you're thinking,
all this must be about the scale, and then you learn no, no,

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it's a it's about shipping in thegolf or something. You know.
Yeah, it was great. Ithought, oh man, this is wonderful.
Thank you, my buddy Joe,my buddy Roun. This is great.
I like that. Uther pleasure,have a have a great Mother's Day.
Weekend and we will talk to younext Saturday. You two Ron,
have a great week. Bucky JoeBoggs website bygl DOTSU dot etu. Coming

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up next to you and me talkingyardning at eight hundred six ten WTV in
here on news radio six ten WTVN. Yes, we are talking yarding on
this Mother's Day weekend. Eight twoone WTVN is our number. It's right
back to the yardning phone lines.We shall go. Her website is Park
of Roses dot org. Her personalwebsite is nicest person on planet dot org.

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She came up with a saying thatsays, stop and smell the Roses,
ladies and gentlemen. The one andonly Nancy Walsh. Good morning,
Good, good morning, Ron.How are you doing. I'm good new,
I'm wonderful. I want to knowhow do how do I get to
be in the buddy club? Youare, You're already there. I'm sure
Teresa Parker wants to be a buddytoo, She's already there as well.

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Wonderful. Hey, what I'm callingfor is I am getting hundreds of emails
and calls wanting to know when PeakBloom is in the Park of Roses.
I checked with our garden supervisor whohas nailed it down last week of May,
and it will go on for severalweeks. So if you can't get
through the last week away, lastweek of May, it'll go on into

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you into June and throughout the wholesummer. But peak bloom, full bloom
in the garden should be the lastweek of May. Okay. And the
thing, you're right, I mean, they don't stop blooming, it's just
that it kind of slows down andthen sporadic and off and on, so
you always got color to go lookat if you can't make it that last
week of May. But I'm justcurious, how do how do they come

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up with that prediction? Do theylook at the weather based on past records?
How they do that? Well,it's always historically, I mean historically
meaning going back, like you know, thirty forty years, it was always
the mid June, and then itslowly crept out over the last ten years,
probably to first week of June.Now it's so warm. That winter

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was warm. So she can tellpretty much by the buds on the roses
and the leaves, and she justtold me, she says, last week
of May, that's when it's goingto be I said, sounds good to
me. How about noon, shegoes, sounds good to me, last
week of May, on that Sundaystarting at noon, all right, yes,

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And that is if someone wants tohave something to do on Mother's Day.
What a beautiful place to take astroll. The heritage roses which always
bloom first, they bloom before thefull garden. They are in bloom now,
so you will see roses when you'rethere. And you know what,
there are plenty of knockout roses there, yellows, pinks, beautiful knockout roses.

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They do exceptional there in that garden. Super and of course there's more
than just the roses. There's allkinds of other gardens as well. Oh
there's a perennial garden which is reallycoming on. The herb garden, absolutely
gorgeous. And then the garden wecall the backyard garden, and that is
a garden that is Everything in thatgarden is readily available at our all garden

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stores. You know, you don'thave to go out in search of it.
Everyone has. It's very common.We planted common plants, common colors,
so they can just take a pictureof it and go out and buy
it. But she is more thancommon. She is Nancy Walsh. And
again you ignore their website. It'sa Parker Roses dot org and learn all
about it. Get a map toprint out before you go there in a

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whole nine yards and mark your calendar. We're talking the last week of May.
Starting on that Sunday at noon,the roses will be in their ultimate
peak. So put that on yourcalendar. Nancy Walsh, always a pleasure
speaking with you. You have awonderful, wonderful weekend. See you,
my buddy. All right, takecare quick, Rick, We come back,

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Tim and Michelle. You're coming upnext. Eight two one WTVN is
our number here on the radio.Six ten WTVN. Yes, yes,
it is Mother's Day weekend. Expectthose garden centers to be business, because
that's okay. It's a lot offun to be out there, Robin elbows

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with everybody shopping in the garden centers. But be patient if you can,
and they'll take care of you.Trust me. Back to the gardening phone
as we shall go, Tim,good morning, Good morning, mister Wilson.
How are you. I'm great inyourself. Oh I'm still vertical.
That I have some hedges, andwe talked years ago about how they were

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like twelve foot tall at one time, and I rode around on the truck
to trim them. But anyway,I've got an infestation of honeysuckle and wild
grape vines. Is there anything Ican put on the leaves to take it
back to the route is growing inthe hedge? Yeah? The problem you

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have is if you get it onthe hedge, you're also going to cause
problems to the hedge. Okay,I pulled it off the hedge. Okay,
it's laying on the ground away fromit, So I have them isolated.
Okay. If you use things likeround up kills all that type of
thing with a glypha sate, youknow, it does do somewhat of a
job on the woody vines. It'sand on the honeysuckle as well. But

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it again, one of the bestthings to do when you get into woody
plants like that is that if youcan go to the source of where they
came out of the ground. Nowyou pull them down out of the hedge.
But now if you can go backin the hedge and where they come
out of the ground and cut themoff at the ground and then paint that
freshly cut stump of where you cutthose off with the roundup or the kills

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all or something like that. Thatreally does a nice job to keep him
from regrowing. And then it's instantyou cut it off. Those are dead.
You treat the top of that stump. Now that's not going to come
back up, and you're good togo, just like with a night drop,
or just drop it on the road. No, you can just take
it. You just take on whereyou cut it off. You just take

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a little paint brush, just paintit right on the top. Okay,
great, Well I'll listen to youall right, Tim, appreciate the call.
And again, remember folks, rememberthat and when you're cut. You
know, if you get big vineslike that, you can spray round up
and kills all. In all ofthose there's weed and brush killer you can
use. You can only spray iton what you're trying to get rid of
it. But a lot of timesthese woodier plants may take may take multiple

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applications because of the woodiness of theplant. To get to get those controlled,
you can burn all the folio joppa. Sometimes they come back ASTs depending
on when you spray and they havea good success spraying the non native invasive
honeysuckles in the fall with with Glyphasate and having some pretty good action coming

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Doing that in the fall when nothingelse has leaves left on except the honeysuckle,
sometimes that does work. But ifyou can just cut it off the
ground, you you've taken care ofthe plan on the top. It's now
dead, it's not going to doanymore. And then freshly right on top
of that fresh cut, take abrush, dip it in that roundup kills
all whatever you decide to use,paint that right on the top, so

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you know, really well girly coated. Well, that usually keeps that from
suckering right back up again and you'regood to go. So do keep that
in mind, please, Michelle gotabout a minute to go. Good morning.
Hey, I have a question aboutmiss campus. I planted some in
pots and they were over winterrain outside. They've not returned yet. How long

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should I give them because I knowit's a warm season grass, but I
thought i'd see something by now.Yes, yeah, I would think you
would see him by now as well. You know, were they sitting above
ground? Yes? Yeah, theymay not have made it over the winter
time, usually with ornamental grasses.If you're going to do those and containers
over the winter, put them downin a window well, put them in
an unheated garage, you're unheeded shedfor a little added root protection, and

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you need to water them about oncea month to make sure they have some
moisture. But I would think atthis stage in the game you should be
starting to see something coming out thereat this point, so there's a real
good chance that those may not becoming back. Quick break we come back.
We're going to talk about the Gardenfor Wildlife with shubber Ali coming up
next. Here in the Garden withRon Wilson,