Tackling common challenges with mulch

Episode Transcript

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All those showers that we get arejust a bonus. They're just a bonus.
Do not incorporate them into your regularwatering program. Please. All right,
let's kick it off with a cupof Joe, mister Joe Boggs.
Cup of Joe, Buggy Joe Boggsreport. Uh. He is an assistant
professional Commercial hortical judgicated for the OhioState University Extension, Tamilton County Associated Faculty

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ILHU, Department of Entomology, Ohyou Extension, the b E H L
Team, and of course bigle bY G L dot O s U dot
EU. Anyone confused, ladies andgentlemen, Mister common sensical himself Buggy Joe
Boggs, Good morning, sir,I'm confused. I mean it's just I'll
tell you. I am drinking sippingon a little bit of mos for coffee.

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You here, though, are youthough? That's yeah? You didn't
have that in me? What flavor? What flavor of matha coffee are you
having this morning? Uh? It'sit's the BTM Flavor Box tream Off flavor.
Yeah. Oh great, it's ratherunique. Yes, well, ninety
two degrees huh wow, crazy stuff. Huh Well, I I before before

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we started talking here, I was, I was saying that I will remember
this. We should all focus onthis and remember, you know, when
it's twelve below in January, youknow that how much we complained about it
being ninety two. I'll take thetwelve below, I'll take. Yeah,
yeah, I'll take the cold.I'll take. You know, we've had

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we've had some rain. You know, the draft's not totally broken in all
parts of Ohio as we know,but at least in some parts it's it's
it's it's subsiding a bit, right, I mean, we still need to
be mindful of soil moisture and checkit out because some of these rains have
been so fast. You know,we probably saw a lot of runoff,

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didn't get a lot of nice soiland infiltration. But and that's where then
you just do a little digging,right. We call that, you know,
the finger test, you know,get your fingers there and just kind
of check it out with what itlooks like and how the soil feels.
But but we've kind of turned thecorner a little bit in my opinion,
Okay, and it's well, Idon't know, I was I boxed my

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I painted myself right into a corneron that didn't I you know, you
know the way I do the testafter a raised like that, as I
take my recently sharpened square spade andI held up here and then I shove
it into the ground like a spear. If it bounces back to me,
we didn't get enough rainfall. That'sa good point. If it sticks,

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we may have gotten a little bitof moisture. You know. We joke
about that. I have a soilprobe. Now, that's something that that
if if you're a very serious gardener, and maybe even not so serious.
They're like X ray machines for thesoil. A soil probe is a tube
that has a cutout on one sideand it's hollow, and it's at the

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end of a rod and then kindof as a sharpened edge, you know,
at the bottom part of the tubebasically, And it's called the soil
probe because you can put it intothe soil and pull out a plug of
the soil to be able to takea look at it, kind of viewing
through that little side cutout in theprobe. And I recommend that, as

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I said, you know, evenjust gardeners that are just wanting to learn
more about what's happening around their house. You know, the soil probes are
not that expensive and are kind ofa handy way to see what's going on.
Now. Of course, a lotof folks won't spend that little extra
money. And I understand that you'reright, just a spade can do a

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similar job with it. But Ialways joke that these soil probes ought to
have, you know, some typeof a sheer pin, so that if
you put so much pressure on it, you know it will shere and then
you can put it back together,because that's not only dryness but also compaction.
Right. Oh yeah, Well,you go out on a place,
you know, recent construction, andyou know the soil is just like concrete,

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then you know that does give youan idea of just how compacted it
is. But also you know,when you pull if you can pull out
a core, you can see justhow wet the soil is. And I
think this is particularly true or aparticularly helpful tool in guiding watering because again,

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and I've done it, We've alldone it. You know, you
stand there with a garden hose andand you think you're really doing good.
And because you're stood there for quitesome time, and then you'll walk to
another location. If you come backand then dig down a little bit with
your hand, you might find,oh, my goodness, I didn't even
get through the mulch, right andyeah, So we want people to mulch,

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but you know, mulch once itdry, or good bark maltch,
for example, we want people touse that hardwood bark malch does a nice
job of maintaining soil moisture and alsokeeping the temperatures modified in the soil.
So we want people to do that. But if that organic matter dries out,

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it can become just like the peatmoss in the bags that we used
to buy. Remember how hard itwas to you know, you'd have a
bag of peat moss and you'd putit around, put it in a pot,
or sometimes you'd try to water thepeat moss before right you put a
I did this, you know,I try to put a garden hose into
the bag. So what I wasincorporating in my potting soil was moist peat

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moss. And goodness, you couldstand there for a long time and the
water just wasn't penetrating very far.Because high organic matter can eventually become hydrophobic
start repelling water the same thing.Of course, as much as we like
we want people to use mult justbe aware that it can't eventually dry to

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the point where it's very hard topenetrate. I always recommend through the season
you do, too, that youmight take a rake out there and sort
of break up the surface kind ofhelps so that things can the water can
move through the mulch a little easier. But this is the time of year
when it does really test all ofour watering techniques, right. Oh yeah,

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and you know, and I callthat the krusties the crust. Yeah,
well, when when you get intoreally find that, you know,
the triple quadruple shredded hardwood where it'sreally fine you put that stuff down.
Everybody likes it because it looks good, you work with it, it's easy
to work with. But the thingI don't like about it, and why
I like a more coarse bark,is the fact that that you know,

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over time that can't pack down kindof work together, and then if it
dries out, it turns into apie crust. You know, that's a
multus spring. And I had thatchoice. We all can have those choices,
and I buy it in bulk sothat you know, I can use
my wheelbarrow moving around and so forth. But even bag mult or whatever you

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buy. But it sounds good tosay, you know, like triple triple,
you know cut, But as yousaid, she with a lot of
powder, don't you. Yeah,And it really will pack down and then
obviously bake and get hard. AndI call it the krusties. And I
you know what you remember the oldthe garden weasel. Oh yeah, that

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everybody has hanging up in the garagesomewhere up in the attic because it doesn't
work in clay soil. I knowwhere you're heading. It does work to
fluff up your crusties. So that'sone time you get that. Yeah,
you can get that thing out andrun that run your garden weasel across the
top of that and open that backup again. But boy, I'll tell

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you you're right. You get ayou know, you're watering, or you
get a good rain shower, thenit comes through and it's bakes for two
or three days. That stuff getshard. It can get harder in the
rock. And I think, areyou seeing a Joe. I meant a
lot of the recommendations now are lookingmore toward the more course mulches to stay
because it stays a little bit moreopen, doesn't compact, and there's a

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little more porous as far as lettingmoisture come through well. And I have
a feeling a break as a bonus, And this mulch conversation is a good
one because if you have bare soilright now, it's not you can still
buy mulch, and if you're tryingto stay ahead of watering, it can
be a great friend or present achallenge. And that's he's gonna leave it

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at that. That's that's the littletease at the end of his segment,
and we'll come back and find outwhat he means about that challenge. Here
on news Radio six to ten WTVN, Talking Your Arding here on news Radio
six y ten WTVN, Part twoof the Buggy Joe Boggs Report. Joe
Boggs, obviously from the Ohio StateUniverse Extension. You probably sang this song
if you times back in the day. You know that that song has such

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an interesting you know, just justthe whole, the whole storyline, the
whole you know, there's the beatand just the way of the delivery.
And you know, we don't wedon't hear that kind of music as much
do That's a good one, that'sa classic about it is a classic.
Yeah, we're well and I thinkthat's where we're heading. You know,
we're all heading to becoming classics,right ron, I mean, we're right

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group. So before the break,we were talking about, you know,
challenges with with mulch, which youknow, this is the time of year
when it really does starting start toappear, right, you know, everybody
mults in the spring, and thingsbe going seemed to be going well.
And as I said before, andI know you've emphasized this and I do
in our in our teachings and andhelping people that that we want people to

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mulch because bear soil is presents areal challenge to plan in general, right
right, and and particularly with moistureloss and also high temperatures affecting you know,
the root system and the root developmentand so forth, because at the
higher end of the temperature scales scale, you know, roots can have a

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challenge. So that nice insulating layerof you know, no more than two
maybe three inches, We don't wantpeople to go over three. You know,
doesn't need to be that deep,but that insulating layer can truly make
a huge change, you know,with how plants do during these high heat,

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dry conditions. Of course, asI said before, and we'd start
off, you know, we've hadsome rain, and we've actually had some
pretty appreciable amounts of rain, butit's important to take a look at,
you know, how much penetrated thatsoil. And this includes vegetable gardens as
well, because you may not beusing bark mults. You know, I

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actually love to see and you knowthis, I mean I use this quite
a lot. You know, strawmulch in a vegetable garden. It's just
wonderful. And you also kind ofhave a little different set up with straw
mulch. So picture the straw,you know, the pieces of straw,
and we're talking about things like wheatstraw or oat straw. So you have

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this, you know, this veryalmost woody material and it doesn't break down
very very rapidly. Well, nowlet's overlay that same thinking with hardwood bark
mulch. Right, and this goesback to the idea that you just said.
You know this, you know,triple grind. It looks great,

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you're right, you know, youpick this up with your hand, and
oh my goodness, it's nice andfine, and you're thinking, boy,
this is a and it is goodbecause we The nice thing about hardwood bark
mulch or any of the organic mulchesdecay over time is that it also adds
organic matter into the soil. Coursewe talked about that before. You know,

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the micro organisms can make use ofit, and then they can change
the soil and improve soul structure.So that's all very well and good,
except if it goes too fast,you know, if it breaks down too
fast, well that can present abit of a challenge. So I agree
with you. I mean, let'sstart out with a big you know,

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the one pieces. Do you agreewith me? I did, But yeah,
let's well, I don't think verymany people are listening. Run so
well. I can get away withit, right, I mean, let's
not thank you so much, getout there much, right? I mean
yeah, I mean I think whenmy segment comes on at the beginning,

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people wait till about ten thirty totune in. I've always expected that,
you know, so if you haven'tmulched, and I want to go back
to that and admittedly. Yeah,the garden centers it's you know, the
pickens are getting a little slim.But if you have an area where you
know your annuals just aren't doing verywell, or perennials, you know,

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or if your vegetable garden it's likeI can't keep up with watering, you
know, then bring in the mulch. You know, And and despite what
some people say about it, youdo have to be a little careful about
you know, how far along themulch has decayed. But you can use
bark mulch in a garden, vegetablegarden. Yeah, I've done it in

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the past. It looks great.But you know, the straw multch.
I think you said your dad usedto use straw multch, Is that right?
I mean that right. That washis big thing. He put the
he put the garden to bed forthe summer using straw maultch. He would
I mean he would put heavy ontop of that and you know, put
every and once everything was growing goodand all, he would bring in you
know, several bales of as cleanof wheat straw that he could get clean,

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meaning you know, not a lotof wheat seeds and things like that.
But would put that down nice andthick and then water it in and
then that was his bedding for thesummer. That's how you put it to
bed for the summer. Yeah,well, it's really nice about that too,
is is. And they'll just putit in the row and don't put
it just under the plants, putit between the roads, because yeah,

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the whole garden walk it. That'sthe point. Oh my goodness, you're
not out there, you know,compacting the soil because it distribute your weight.
And of course you're also not justpicking up a bunch of mud on
your feet. You know. It'sa it's a pretty remarkable thing. And
and as I said before, Ithink it. I think it actually really

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looks nice personally. I've always thoughtit. But uh, but this is
the time of year we need toreally be thinking about these things if you
haven't already done it, you know, and we always talk about planning ahead
and so on, but sometimes,you know, things get ahead of us,
and before you know it, it'sninety two degrees, you know,
in July, and and the dogbasicadas are starting to sing, which we'll

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talk about that next week. Andyou know, your garden's drying out.
Right, So keep the water goingto it right now, no doubt about
it, you know. And Ido I like the I like the straw,
and I don't bring that up alot. But you know that he
did do that. I think thekey sometimes is making you know, trying
to get it as clean straw asyou can. But at the end of

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the season he would just mow that, moult it up and until it broak
into the soil. So it justbecame yeah, it just became a you
know again, a more organic mannerto put back into the soil. At
the end of the season or orin the spring, whichever, he could
just leave it lay there and justyou know, sit over the winter,
uh, but work it back intothe soil. And it was a you
know it just uh come back anddo the same thing the next year.

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And it always always worked for him. It was that truck sand that he
brought in. It ruined everything.Yeah, that's another story, isn't it.
He did that one time. Ialways used to kid him about that,
but he did. He brought it. He thought that was going to
be the best thing to bring inthis course land and put it in the
garden until it in and and guesswhat. He moved the garden about a

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year and a half later to anotherspot, and that you could still that
was forty years ago. You couldstill see the spot where that garden was,
where he put oh yeah, whereyou put that sand in there?
Man? Oh well yeah, yeah. Well, well you live and learn.
I mean, you do nice thingabout gardening. You're always learning and
that's you know, that's the funof it. Actually, and and there

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are you know, I have tosay this, and I you and I
actually I think I'm borrowing from you. There are really no true failures.
I mean you think about Okay,yes that didn't work out, but you
know that was you know, weall learned from it. He learned,
He learned from it, and youknow I did, and I used that
story. I don't not making funof my father. He appreciated me,

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he made he appreciated me using thatstory because you did learn from Because so
many folks want to add, youknow, let me put a bunch of
sand in with this. It's likeyou know how they make potters clay.
Yeah, well I guess why.That's the way that works. So anyway,
but you're right, and you know, we learn and we're all optimistic,
so we look at next year,and you know, it's where it

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goes. That's why I told somebodythe other day they had a peach tree
that just I mean just the peachesare just totally covered brown rot, big
time, and he's losing all thepeaches. He inherited this peach tree and
didn't know anything about it. Andthere you go. But I said,
you know what the cool thing is. You said, I hate losing noise
peaches, said you know what,but now you know what it is,
and now you know how you cancorrect it, and now there's next year.

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That's exactly right. That's the AndI've always said this. You know,
when you when you have success timeand the time, and again,
that's fantastic. However, you don'tsometimes remember why you had success, or
maybe even knew why you had success. But if you have a failure,
if you had something that didn't workout, that's a lifelong lesson, didn't

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it. And that sticks with usand with gardeners. They yeah, are
pretty free to share that information.I found over the years. Don't do
that. You know, I've triedthat and this and this is what happened.
But again, you know, thewhole idea of mulch. It can
be your best friend or worst enemy. Uh, in this time of year.
You know, this is where wereally wanted to become your friend.

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It wasn't something I planned to talkabout, be honest, But there you
go. Yeah, with my goodtopic for example. Yeah, yeah,
I'm pipping it up. You know, just almost as we speak. Now
you're going to go try to findthat garden weasel. It's up in the
attic somewhere. I broke mine ronover your knee. Thought this thing doesn't

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work. I was. I wasusing it on clay soil. That's what
I said. This thing doesn't work. Oh my goodness. All right,
Joe, always a pleasure, greatinformation. We will talk to you next
Saturday. You have a great week. Run Take care about all right,
Take care And as we've always said, successful gardening is a series of what

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trowels and errors. Ain't no doubtabout it. Eight two to one w
tv IN, eight hundred sixt tenw tv IN Here on news radio six
y ten WTVN talking to your yaradyhere on news radio six to ten w
tv IN. And I'm gonna throwthis out there. And I didn't have
time to talk to Joe about it, and I'll throw this out at him
next week. But Joe was talkingabout getting a balk balt and everybody gets

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to balk maults and the dumped onyour front driveway, put it on a
tarp and then you scoop it up, put in a wheelbarrow, take it
around and mulch all your beds.Right. And I'm not a big hardwood
fan, shredder hardwood fan. I'mstill in the pine bark. I like
the pine bark fines. I likecompost. I even like some of the
nuggets that are an inch and die. I like that look for some reason,

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always have. But I like pinefines, but just have never been
And it's okay. Shredder hardwood's themost popular that's out there. I don't
like the real fine. I likethem work coarse. But nevertheless, point
is this, and I actually dida little study on this so many many
years ago with the landscapers. Butwhich is the most effect active way to
get mulch and and and moult youryard? Keep in mind actual labor,

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the physicality of it, timing,et cetera, et cetera. To have
a load delivered. Now it's cheaper, I'll get I'll give you this much.
It's cheaper to have the bulk mulchdelivered and dumped on your driveway,
right, It's cheaper, I getthat, But for a little bit more
if you get get it by thebag and have palettes of the bags delivered

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to your driveway and sat off onset it off on your driveway, set
them down there, and then takeit bag by bag, because you need
to throw the bag on your shoulder, take it, slice it, dump
it and go back at another andget another one and just spread it that
way, which is the less laborintense and quicker way to do it.
And some of the studies we didwith some landscape cruise actually wound up being

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better using the bagged mulch rather thanusing the bulk. Now, if it's
a huge, huge landscape job,maybe a different story, I don't know,
but for most landscapes doing it wasactually, uh actually better off with
the bag bags. And if youdon't, you know, if you don't
get to it right away, thebags sit there nice and neat, stacked
on the pallet, not this pileof mult you got in your front your

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driveway that you tarp over and allthat to you finally get it all scooped
up and put away. I stillthink buy it by the bags on pallettes.
I still think that's that's the overallbest way to go. Uh.
Just curious to see what Joe thinksor you think about that. But I've
always looked at it that way.I don't care what you what you get
it, as long as you useit, because it's a good thing to

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use. But I've always thought thatwas the actually the better way to go.
Maybe a little bit a little bitmore expensive, but the better way
to go. All right, tothe gardening phone, Lise, we shall
go at eight two to one WTVNMary, good morning, Hi Ron.
Got two one is about lawn fertilizer, which we were supposed to have put

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down end of May, but wedidn't. Should we skip it at this
point or go ahead and do it. I'd skip it. I'd say let's
hold off at this stage. Andyou know we're going to be looking at
September and then again in November,and I would look at those two times.
You've got the bags, just hangon to those and we'll use those

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up in the fall, okay.And the other one is about taxes.
I'd seen some little little brown spotson the tips of some of the little
whatever you call those, and Ithought, I thought it was just maybe
from winter die back, if I'dpruned a little too late. When I

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went out the other day just toclip that off, I discovered that in
some spots, and these are longestablished taxes, it wasn't just it.
It was the tips, but italso when I looked underneath, there were
dying and some dead kind of clumpsdown underneath, which I then was cutting
out. Then I wondered whether thatwas environmental or whether I picked up some

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kind Is there some kind of diseasethat would act like that on taxes,
not that I'm aware of. I'mtypically if the only time you have problems
with taxes or Japanese you is whetherit's too dry for an extended amount of
time, or it stays too wetand they cannot stand wet feet. If
it stays too wet there over time, it'll take a taxis out every time.

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That's its root rot done deal.But that's why they were always such
a popular evergreen, is the factthat you could shape them, do whatever
you want to do with them.But very tough and durable, and very
few insect or disease issues. Wesee a little scale every now and then.
We see uh, black fine weavilevery now and then the mealy bugs
used to but don't see that evensee that on there anymore. So actual

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disease not very much. And Ican't think of anything specifically. If I
wanted to send you a picture.What's what? I have a couple emails
down for you. Which is theone if you go to iHeart Ron Wilson
at iHeartMedia dot com, that's thethat's a generic one, and that'll get

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to me. And if you takepictures, take pictures up close and then
kind of pull them back so Ican see what you're talking about inside.
As far as the browning needles aswell. Now, sometimes you know sometimes
when when if are they shared heavily, so a lot of that foliage is
all at the very ends. NoI hand prune everything oat good for you,

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because you know the reason and thereason I asked that is sometimes when
they're shared really heavily, if theyshed their needles, which they do in
the spring rather than in the fall, if there's no place sometimes it'll just
just hang up inside the plant andthey don't drop out, and sometimes that
can be an issue, and youkind of go in there and open them
up and flesh all those needles outof there and then you're good to go.

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Sometimes that will happen and they justhang up in there, and actually
I guess you could you almost couldsmell them as they start to break down
if you get close to the plant. But I have that happened before.
But as far as the tips actuallyturning brown on the on the and that's
it's not all of them. Andthese spots are not all over either,

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just when I dig down under uhit, just in certain spots. I'll
send you some pictures. Yeah,let's take a look and see what we
can come up with. But that'sfor Japanese use or taxes. That is
a you know, pretty that's they'resuch an easy plant to grow. That's
very rare to see see problems onthere. Thank you much. All right,
Mary, good talking to you quickbreak. Can we come back ed,

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you're coming up next, coming upat the top of the hour.
We had him on about two yearsago, maybe three. He has a
book out as he's a Dwayne Pancoast. He is the geriatric Gardener. He
has a book out about adaptive gardeningfor those seniors. Well he's taking it
the next step and now we havethe Geriatric Gardener two point zero more adaptive

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guardening advice for seniors. Got theDwayne coming up at the top of the
hour talk about his new book andsome of the new tips that he's come
up with. But in between it'syou and me talking. You already get
a two to one wtv in hereon news radio six to ten WTVN.
A two to one w tv inis our number A. I wrote myself
a note after talking to Joe,but with a garden weasel, and I'm

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not making fun of it. Iokay, I am kind of making fun
of the garden weasel. But youknow I can I remember so many years
ago when I first came out.You know, that was like on TV
radio, everybody had to have gardenweasel, and boy, if you had
hard compacted clay soil, let's faceit, it just doesn't work. It
doesn't can't get in there to geta grip and kind of work it up
like they showed you in the commercials. But where we did find out that

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it does work well is if youhave well prepared soils like in a vegetable
garden or raised beds or something likethat, or the mulch. I always
thought the mult was a great wayto use it. It really does work
to scratch up that mulch and getrid of those krusties. And that could
be a real issue this time ofthe year. As matter of fact,
that's usually on my notes about whenwe get into a really hot spell,

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stays dry for a long time.You know that stuff can bake and get
hard as a rock, and it'sit's not it's actually detrimental then because it
makes all the water run away.Well, that's where you can go out
and find out old garden weasel whereverit happens to be hanging in the attic
or wherever, or you find oneat a swap shop or you know,
something like that or a garage sale. That's where they do come in handy.

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So there you go. So,yeah, I'm kind of making fun.
But on the same token, thereis a use out there for them.
Just in the mulches or lighter soilsor that type of an area does
a lot better for your garden weasel. Back to the gardening fune, as
we go add thanks for holding on. You're in the garden with Ron Wilson.
Yeah, well on, how youdoing this morning? Hey, I'm
great in yourself, great, thankyou. I have that suble question here

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on I need some ground coovery dirksand pretty flowers that you'll come back every
year. That's very low, lowmaintenance, that grows in the sun or
the shade. What would you preferthat that takes sun or shade? Yeah,
one of the mone works. Yeah, yeah, that's that's a tough

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one. It goes in both areas? How low? How low does it
have to grow? Right? Well? You mean how high? Yeah?
I mean how yeah? How howhigh can it get? Oh what anywhere
from? You know, got upto forty eight inches? Oh okay,
all right, but but looking themass in an area we're talking about thirty

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four all right, and you're justtrying to do like some erosion control or
just do a mass planting type ofthing. Yeah, some kind of flower
or plant that you annual comes backevery year and below maintenance. How shady?
Okay? How shady is the isthe shady part? I mean,
is it get anything else? It'sit's not real dark, but it's dark

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enough for grasmon really okay. Thereason, all right, the reason I
ask you is there's a low growingsumac and there's a low growing chokeberry.
That are really cool deciduous shrubs.The gro low sumac can get knee high
easily. But what I do withmine is I just kind of once the

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new growth comes out, I actuallyjust kind of sheared back a little bit
and you can keep it lower ifyou want. But you plant these on
about three to four foot centers.Takes them two years and they fill in
the whole areas a very natural mounding, kind of a shrubby plant. And
again the I think it's called lowmound or low scape choke berry or the

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gro low sumac. I like thesumac the best. It's just such a
natural, nice ease and it'll growin partially shaded areas now dent shade.
It'll be fairly thin, but itwill grow in partially shaded areas very nicely.
As a matter of fact, whereI planted this is in the front
of our house where we have anoverhanging, and everything I've ever planted kind

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of to the overhang and we won'tgrow back to the foundation of the home.
This will and I got it tofill in the whole area. Nice
natural planting. Now, the thingof it is they lose their leaves in
the fall, so there's just branching, and it's a dense branching throughout the
winter time. And then of courseleaves come back out in the spring.
Both flour in the spring once youget them planted. A little bit of

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shaping here and there, if youget some straggers that kind of stick up
here and there. Otherwise it's justa really cool I love it. I
love the look to it, andI always have folks that want to know
what it is because it masses in. And the thing about the gro Loo
Sumac is the fact that you know, like I said, you plant those
three to four feet apart, soit doesn't take very many two years or

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so they fill that whole thing backin. But just write it down and
google it or go to the gardencenter. Look. But it's called grow
Low Sumac and the other one isLow Mound or Low Scape Erronia. But
I think you'll like the gro LowSumac better. And again we'll take both
locations for you. Once it's in. It's uh, it's tough, it's

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durable. Probably don't have to doa whole lot with it after that point.
A full sun, no problem,okay, great, Then what can
I plant that ron? You know, if you want to deal with the
heat and everything right now. Obviouslyif it's in a grown in a container,
you could plan it this time ofthe year. I'd look at it

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right now. Unless it's an emergency, I'd probably just for your sake of
the watering and all, maybe youhold off till the end of August versus
September going into the fall planet atthat time. But if you've got access
to water and you need to geta planet now and you can mulch it,
well go for it now. They'reavailable. Well, thank you Ron
very much. Ye have a greatday, sir. All right, ed,
good talking to you. We'll takea break here and then we come

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