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Good morning, everybody. Welcome.I'm Ron Wilson. You're in the garden.
If you'd like to join us,love to have you. Here's our
number, it's eight two to oneWTV in eight hundred and six to ten
WTV. And talking about yardening.What we're moving our way right through this
month of April. Huh, looksall we're gonna get a little break in
the action with their rainfall. Ohmy gosh, get this rain out of
here for a while. I hateto say that, you know, I'm

never gonna say, you know,I wish the rain would stop. I
say, get it out for alittle while, because I don't want to
be the one of Jenson it allshuts off and then doesn't come back on
until we get, you know,like into August or whatever. So don't
want to do that. But itlooks like we were gradually warming up.
Soil temperature is looking pretty good nowup into the fifties. So lots of
talk about today, lots of thingsto do based on soil temperatures, and
of course where we are in theseason. But what do you say,

let's kick off our show with thebuggy Joe Boggs report. That would be
Joe Boggs, assist a professor commercialorder coach educated for the OHISA University Extension,
oh SHU Department of Entomology, posta boy, and I still don't
know how you're the poster boy forOSU Extension, co creator of Mathra Coffee
for him by g L dot osU dot eu is his website. Mister
common sense call himself Ladies and gentlemen. Buggy Joe Boggs. You know you

get me. You get me introuble every week with that poster boy thing.
It's kind of like, oh mygosh, all my extension colleagues certainly
are just groaning and oh, youknow, we gotta get so, we
gotta get somebody getting me. Theremust be some election or something that's gonna
happen. I'll tell you so this. I mean, finally I think that

we can well. I started hangingup my winter coats. I just started
doing that. I have I haveseveral of them around, you know that
can grab quickly. Maybe I'm tooearly. What do you think I mean?
No, I don't think you are. I think we're gonna see something.
You know, it's gonna cool down. It has to do that.
But I think we're you know,you know what is interesting and you probably

checked this yourself, but you know, the frost, the old the old
frost free date your chances. It'sinteresting how that just keeps back up and
back it up and back it up. And a lot of times I don't
like to even tell people where itis today. And it does depend on
who you go, who who's givingyou the information, But that just keeps

going. I mean it's obviously intoApril now, h yeah, it is.
You're right every time. I becausewe always get those questions, right,
you and I both you know,well, when's it's safe to start
playing? Well? You know whatwe always say, and this is very
important, is that's the average,right you know, so you know there's

gonna be there, gonna be someyou know springs where uh you know,
the frost and even freeze you know, will happen earlier than normal, and
it's gona be sometimes it happens later. So you know, it's just it's
it's a risky endeavor if you ifyou go by it, it's not a
guarantee. That's not I always yeah, but it's always funny used to people

used to say when you when's thefrost free dam May fifteenth, I mean
it was May fifteenth forever, andof course it was. I would remind
everybody that's when your chances of frostare fifty percent or less, that's good.
Yeah, so you know it decreasesevery day. And I actually found
a chart that has all the percentagesif you wanted an eighty percent or less,
how much further out the dates go. But this last time when I

was looking up to see how muchhas changed there, I got three different
answers as far ass free, YEAfrom reliable from reliable sources. And I'm
like, well, somebody decide onwhen they want to think this is going
to be. But I always jokeand say, I don't want to tell
anybody that it's a you know,late April, because I'd rather you kind

of you know, look out,still do that May thing, just to
be sure. But you know,I still keep watching the soil temperatures.
I'm big with that one. Thereyou go, and we're we're now consistently
into the fifties. Uh, SouthernOhio I think was the average this past
week was fifty eight degrees, andyou know that Central Ohio about fifty We're
right behind about fifty six. Soright there, we're in and and and

that's so important because okay, everybodywants to have the first tomato in a
neighborhood, right, I mean,well not I used to. I used
to when you're in the yard,boy, you had to have the first
tomato. But you know how Ihow I did that. I cheated.
I didn't cheat. But I'm abig container gardener, you know that.
And I was. I would startan early tomato. Uh and I would

start at you know, sometime backabout you know, late March, early
April, and the container and growit indoor outdoor, indoor outdoor, so
that I could have something by aMemorial weekend, just so I could have
that first ripe tomato. I don'tdo that anymore, no, I uh
well, see, I'm going tobe perfectly you know, I'm I'm gonna

be honest with you. I wasabout ladies and gentlemen. You heard Joe
Box say for once he was tobe honest with it. I'm trying to
get away from that because you know, someone pointed out, well that means
you're what does that mean that you'renot always honest with I? Uh well,
I'm not saying, you know thatI'm doing other things and that I

get distracted. But you know myexcuse for the later planting of everything was
well that way, I you know, I escaped some of the early problems,
right, you know, you knowI put squash in you know,
pretty late, and I'm going toescape you know, squash, mine board
and all that stuff. No,it was just I didn't get around the

plant. Oh yeah, over thelast couple of years. Last year in
particular, Yeah, I pushed theenvelope a little bit. I did have
some tomatoes in a little bit earlierthan well I did. You know,
I didn't. I didn't have aproblem. You know, I got away
with it, but you know,I barely got away with it. But

the big point that I love thatyou said the soil temperatures, because you
know, if you're planting into theground, you plant a tomato today,
it's just don't do it. Butif you do, you have to keep
in mind. You know, Iknow Joe Bobs planted tomato today, but
I know that's what I heard himsay. But the key thing for that

tomato plant to become established is togrow a root system to support that top
growth and you know, the soilsare cold, too cold to you know,
to support root growth. Then justsits there. And we've all experienced
that, I mean I haven't.Yeah, just cold and wet. You're

just watching these plants and you're thinkingwhat is going on? And then boom,
you know, and they make thatsound. They just start growing really
fast. Well you know, ifyou put a thermometer into the ground,
you'll find, well, they startgrowing really fast when those temperatures, you
know, reach a point that supportthat root growth. But you I really
loved what you said there in termsof containers because of course you know that

soil particularly if you put that containerinto the sun or you know, you
have a place where sun's hitting itand warming, Oh my goodness, it's
perfect, you can that's right,that's right. We didn't say that out
last. Yeah yeah, oh well, well mum's the word. Well that's

a different place that's in the fault. But the other point are these you
know, these raised beds. Obviouslythere are some listeners saying, well wait
a second, Joe, that alsoworks, And it's true, you know,
these elevated beds. Also the soilwarms up quicker, and of course
you know some of those. Youcan even design them or build them so
you can kind of put hoops inand cover with plastic if you have,

you know, cold temperatures on thehorizon. But at the end of the
day, the bottom line to thiswhole thing is if you plant early,
just be prepared to cover, youknow, duck and cover. That's that's
what we grew up with. Getunder that desk, Yeah, that'll protect
her from that atomic bomb. Ourdesks were Wow, great school desk.

What can I say? By theway, you know we were we were
in Oakland last week, which youwere. Yeah, I had a great
time. But there's a couple that, the young couple that has been coming
the remotes the last several years,got involved with guarding. They tried to
give me credit and I said,you know what, I'm just a messenger.
You're the one that makes it allhappen. But they're a really nice
couple and they've been bringing me andno I'm not going to share them with

you, but they've been bringing mepickled shallots. Oh no, I'm not
going to share them with you.But nevertheless the way, yeah, last
Saturday, they brought me not onlymy annual jar of pickled shallots. I
got a jar of blueberry jam.Oh, homemade garlic butter, garlic.

But oh man, I'm sorry,I'm this last one. You're gonna pineapple
hab a nio jam. Well,I have to change, I have to
change my shirt. I've been I'mstarting to droll all over. That is
last I got home. Lad wasn'tinterested in cooking dinner or do whatever.
So I was just gonna have apeanut butter and jelly sand. Peanut butter

sand was what he was going tohave, and I just said, just
some quick glass milk whatever. SoI said, you know what I had
having open that pineapple have a narrowjam up. So I got that out
and put that on there with thepeanut butter, and it was fresh bread.
And I had two peanut butter pineappleniero jam. Absolutely to die for,

just the right kick, just theright spice to it, not overbearing
with the pineapple, A great combinationwith the peanut butter. I just wanted
to tell you that because I likemaking you jealous. You. I mean,
I'm getting in the car. I'vegot I know where you live.
Yeah, come on, come on, come on, come on, hey,

I think we have a break.Yeah, let's take a break.
We come back, we'll look continueon. Maybe we'll actually get a n
a Buggy Joe bog segment, Heroon News Radio six ten w TVN Talking
to your Arding Hero on news Radiosix ten w t V and Buggy Joe
Boggs with us this morning. Oh, Sue Extension, don't forget. Their
website is b y g L dotO s U dot E d U.

Are you familiar with bean arches?Familiar with what bean arches? No?
No, you're gonna have to tellme about this. Instead of growing him
on a trellis you grow them onan arch? So you know, you
get it. Goes. Hang down. Now, if someone asks you,
being from where you're from, whatwhat bean would you use on your bean

arch? Oh? I'd use halfrunners half runners? Yeah, okay,
I bet I bet you. That'syou're being quiet. I didn't know if
you were going to stay Kentucky wonders. Well, I would have if I
were in Kentucky. If I werein Kentucky. Yeah, not when you're
in West Virginia. Not in Westby God Virginia. No, that's right.

You know that's interesting. And andso listeners are probably wondering. I'll
wait a second. Half runners.Well, the name is supposed to come
from they they run halfway up thepole, you know, they don't you
know, they don't get as highas others. So you do need to
have you know, you do needto stake them. You do need to

have something for them to climb.But you know, we tried something when
I was growing up, and thenwe started doing it pretty frequently. We
kind of borrowed from and I'm goingto go really far field here. You
know, if you read Charles Mann'syou know, fourteen ninety two Man's Man's

Yeah, Charles Man, fourteen ninetytwo, it's been you know, it
was probably quite some time ago.I should know the date. But nonetheless
very interesting. You know, Iwas talking about actually fourteen ninety one,
I'm sorry, fourteen ninety one,so a year before supposedly, I mean,
you know that's you know, whenColumbus stumbled onto you know, the
new the so called New World.It wasn't yeah, that's right, Yeah,

that was just seems like last week. Ye. But the Native Americans
had what we're called the Three Sisters. Yeah, and that was corn,
beans and squash that they would planttogether. So my grandfather, you know,
you know, grew up and youknow, we have some Native American
blood in our family, and mygreat great grandmother was Cherokee, and so

he started planting half runners in thecorn and it worked really well. You
know, they didn't you know,they didn't climb over. I mean,
now Kentucky wonders can really climb theYeah, there's also a bush form of
Kentucky wonder there is. That's exactlyright, And I don't think that was
out when I was I mean,you know, we're talking, you know,

the early nineteen hundreds, right,that's when we were planting the garden.
But it works so well. Andof course, you know, here's
a little side note. People maybe wondering, well, why did the
Native Americans combine those three? Well, of course legumes, right, the
beans, you know, are ableto fix nitrogen, which of course corn

like plants and corn loves nitrogen.So it was it was a really interesting
first started as an experiment, youknow, started out as all right,
let's give this a try, youknow, and then we started doing it
pretty frequently, and like I said, it was really a nice way to
get you know, more things growingin a smaller patch, although our gardens

were huge, but it was itwas a way of also then we have
to steak the beans, which forme, for me was But now that
that trellis that idea of of art. What did you say arch beans or
what did you say? A beanarch? A bean arch? That's that's

pretty interesting because you can buy archesfor not much, you know, and
I kind of like that idea.Our producer Ella was talking about bean arches.
Well, I'm glad we clarified,because if I heard that, I
would be like, well, I'llwait a second, are we talking about
shoes or not? It's all.It's all she brought it up, so
well, you know, well we'llblame her for that. I'll tell you

that was and that is a greatconversation because it is. It's something that
I don't know if you've noticed that. I'm sure you grew up. Green
beans were a very common garden staple, weren't they. I Mean, every
garden had them. But you know, I see shewer plantings in gardens and

I don't know why. I mean, that's it's been my observation. You
just you know, you just don'tsee nobody anymore well, canning is part
of it. I think. Also, you know there's been a first guess.
Yeah, yeah, canning is ais a Nobody wants to steak them
either, well steak in them,but put them in the bush. You
get the bush, get the bushform, and you can make a tepee

house for your kids. I likeit. I like it. Then you
have scarlet running. Yeah, scarletrunner beans are always better for that because
it's got the nice flower. Youknow, that is true. That's right.
Legomes. They really have beautiful flowers, you know, spring peas.
That's something that we used to grow. But man, I'll tell you we

have gone a far afield. BecauseI was going to talk about I was
going to actually bring up these kindof weird orange octopus like structures that you
might see on h on junipers atthis time of the year. But you
got you got two minutes. Canyou pull that off? I think I
can. So if you have ifyou have a juniper, you might find

you know, as I said,these weird orange octopus they look like there's
tentacles hanging down on your juniper,or you might if you look closely,
find kind of an orange, gelatinousmass on the stems, and there can
be two types. There there arethree fungal diseases and they're they're they're called
rust diseases because of the color ofthe spore structures. And the one that

looks like you know, octopus tentaclesis called cedar apple rust. The theedar
actually refers to eastern red cedar,which is a juniper Juniper's Virginiana. So
it's alternating hosts. The second whenI say cedar apple rust, the apple
is a host that's in the rosefamily rose Acee. So this time of

the year, when you have theseperfect conditions of cool wet, and we've
had both, then we see thejuniper side starting to spore to produce these
spore structures. The tentacles are calledtillial horns, and and that's relating to
the types of spores that are goingto be produced. Now, do they

cause great harm? That's the thingthat you and I, you know,
the question you and I get askedall the time, Well, the cedar
apple rust really doesn't. I mean, once those horns dry up and go
away, you end up with justa little gall that you kind of hardly
noticed. The theedar quints rust though, that that can cause some stem die
back, but you can prune thatout if you're careful about it, and

there's enough time for the juniper tofill in. If you have a very
susceptible juniper, though, it canget pretty bad canted. I mean you
can actually seeing today we're just loaded. Yeah, so that's where you start
thinking, well, I don't know, prune as much as you can.
The good news though, is thatthese are very environmentally oriented, meaning that

you have to have the right conditions, you know, for infection when the
spores come back from the rose host. And that doesn't happen every year.
You know, some years we justdon't get that much in a way of
infections on junipers. But when youhave a particularly good or bad year,
depending on whether you're a plant pathologistor not, then you know you can

see some trouble. Now, couldwe spray for this? Well, in
a nursery, you could, butin the home landscaping you would have to
spray fu your side so often it'svery hard to keep up with it.
So the main point here is,okay, look at these. A lot
of these don't get too concerned,but this year you might be seeing you
know, these orange structures in thejunipers, and that's what's going on,

and you're seeing a little bit morebecause the weather has been absolutely perfect.
It's just been Yeah, if you'rea plant pathologist, you have to be
really happy about it. You andI, Yeah, because we get to
see them too. Well more youthan al right, okay, all right,
morey Yeah, Yeah, there yougo. Hey, Joe, always
a pleasure. Appreciate all the greatinformation. Again the website byg L dot

OSU dot EU Buggy Joe Boggs.Talk to you next Saturday. Hey,
you have a great week. Ron, Take care, bye bye, take
care, quick break, we comeback. Phone lines you're open for you
now. Coming up at the topof the hour, we're gonna talk about
lilies. What do you know aboutlilies. We're gonna have our Ballbeck spurt
on with us, Peggy and Montgomery. We're gonna talk about lilies. Asiatic
oriental hybrids. Yeah, there's awhole bunch of them out there. Coming

up next or coming up to thetop of the hour here in the Garden
with Ron Wilson on news radio sixto ten WTVN, talking to your arning
here on news radio six' tenand WTVN a two to one and WTVN
is our number. Let's go rightto the arning phone lines and talk with
Bill. Bill, good morning,Oh hey Ron, good morning. Pick

up your program about seven years agowhen I moved back to Ohio, and
I love it. We have agreat show. Thank you. Now,
my question, now you're welcome,is my neighbor has a class of first
second graders that are, you know, disadvantage kids, and she asked me
to start some tomato plants for them, which I've done, and she wants

her students to keep the plants atschool until the end of the year,
which is late May. And I'mwondering is that really practical? Should they
keep them at school that long orshould they get them in the ground before
the end of May? And Iguess yeah. I think. The thing
I look at, Bill is thatyou know how big are they now?

There were three inches tall and Itransplanted them from the starting tree yesterday and
I buried them down so they're aboutan inch and a half fall now cool.
You know what growers will do andthe garden centers is that as we
go along and do these successions plantingsover the next several weeks, some of
those, especially if they kind ofget tall. We'll put those in one

gallon and two gallon containers and youcan actually grow them in that water two
gallon container right into June with noproblem. And then so when folks come
into the garden center looking for tomatoes, the selection is usually little bit lower,
but you'll have a selection of watertwo gallon a little bit bigger plants
that you can easily maintain in that, like I said, for you know,
three or four or five weeks withno problem at all. So what

they might want to do and thenmay be part of the process when you
give them their smaller tomato plant,maybe she has, you know, the
next size up, the one gallonor two gallon pot, and maybe somebody
could donate some potting soil or somethingand let them pot those up again in
that larger container and then a littlebit of fertilizer in there and let them

grow them at school until they areready to go home and then take them
from there and probably for the kidsto carry it and the ease of it.
One gallon pot would probably be yourbest best shot. But then,
but like I said, you cangrow them in that one pot for a
long time. And then then whenthey get home, they can just slide
that right out of that one gallonpot, put it in the ground,
or put it in a bigger containerif they decided to do container gardening,

and then they're good to go.And you get even with the one gallon
If she's got like those plastic youknow bags I could get at the grocery
store and a quick checkout, shecould get one of those for all the
kids. They could slide that rightdown in that bag, and you've got
a handle to carry that thing homeas well. I did this one time
with a couple of times actually withsome of the kids like that, and
they're interested. The kids that youknow, have never grown anything, and

we did that. We took thetomatoes, put them in a one gallon
pot, and they were able totake them home on the bus or however
they got there. But that wouldprobably be the best answer. And in
that way they could, Yeah,they can keep them right there at the
classroom sunny window or outside, growthem on till they are ready to take
them home. And they got anice one gallon plant ready to go in
the ground or go into a biggerpot. That's a great idea. Wrong.

I like the idea of the studentsbeing involved in transplanting them into a
larger container. It gives them alittle a little more hands on experience with
the Yeah, and maybe we'll drawthem into the gardening in the future.
Absolutely, I think it'd be agreat And then of course then they get
home to get to plant it againsomewhere. That's right. Thank you,
appreciate your health. You're welcome,and thank you for doing that for your

neighbor. I think that's outstanding.It's it's my pleasure. Thank you.
All right, take care, Let'stake a quick break. We come back,
Steve. You're coming up next.Phone lines are open for you at
eight two to one w tv INhere on news radio six' ten wtv
IN. All right, back tothe guarding phone nights, Steve, Good
morning morning. Uh, I gota bed a question too, all right?

What I caget? What kind Iplanted last year? But it seemed
like the stem went like halfway downinto him and then brainst out, and
when you sliced it and you gotinto them, it was all hard and
conscient and didn't have much flavor.What kind of tomato can I get that
the stem doesn't go like that,did it? Was it kind of a
gnarly looking tomato? No, itwas nice, kind of nice looking tomato,

but it you know, but itjust seemed like the stem camiltrated the
good ways into it. Interesting,I mean, because sometimes you get into
those air looms and the way theyare that still will go right down on
the inside, and sometimes you gotto kind of go down there and kind
of clip around that little bit becauseit's real you know, like you said,
real uh hard right around that area, and so you kind of lose

the middle of the of the tomato. But yeah, typically most I'm just
thinking here on my head off theheads here, most of the hybrids,
I don't see too many of thosedoing that down deep inside, I think,
I think, yeah, and sometimesthat can happen, and it's that's
just the way those things are,and they're tough and they're durable, and

the thing of it is, ifyou look at the way that thing was
attached, it's one of the sometimesa good reason that it's the air alumino.
They're tough, I mean, they'redurable, and that thing hangs on
and it's it's just part of thedeal. But I've got a funny feeling.
That's what it was. So whenyou when you look at the toma
when you're going to buy again thisyear and go to your local garden center,
see what they have available. Doa couple things. You know,

I still like the heirlooms. You'vegot great, great flavor. If you're
looking for something that's really sweet,look at a man of Orange or Kellogg's
Breakfast. They're an orange yellow color. The stem doesn't do that as far
as going down in deep, butit's a truly sweet tomato. Give that
a shot. But do that,and also look at doing a hybrid like
a big beef if you're into themeaty beefy slicy tomatoes, like a big

beef for a big or early somethinglike that. Great slicing tomato and again
pretty solid, but you don't wastea lot at the top as far as
the slicing goes where that goes intothe tomato. But try out the amount
of Orange or Kellogg's Breakfast if youcan find them. I'm telling you that
thing's going to be one of thesweetest tomatoes you've ever eaten. I guarantee
you, OK, all right,good talking to you, and I see

I get now. I'm getting excitedtalking about the tomatoes and the peppers and
talking with Joe this morning about thebeans and all. It's right around the
corner. But again, as Joeand I were talking earlier, you know,
I keep bringing up the salt temperatures, and I may not bring them
up after this week. I'll maybelook at it one more time. But
it's so important to watch those salttemperatures, especially with tomatoes and peppers and
the more tender annual vegetables that we'regoing to plant, because you get below

sixty five degrees or so, andif it's wet, especially, they can
just sit there and stunt and notdo anything. We've got cool season,
cool weather crops that obviously can beplanted right now. You start looking at
all your cabbage and kales, thebroccolis, spinach can even be planted right
now. You look at the potatoesif it's drying out and draining well,

Radishes and onions and peas and thingslike that can all go in right now
that will tolerate cooler temperatures, youknow darn well. And we're also talking
about the frost free date, andit's all over the board. Depending on
where you go, but it's youknow, typically for central Ohio, we're
talking right around the latter part ofApril, now, not the fifth teenth
of May, but around the latterpart of April. I still wait till

after that we get into May,just to see where we are weather wise
and soil temperature wise. But youcan get started in containers or raised beds
a lot earlier, which brings upwhy both of those are such a great
way to garden. But you know, you watch that and determine your plantings
based on those soil tempts. Andright now we are looking averaging in the
mid fifties or so, and Ithink it was as high as fifty eight

at one time. So look atnighttime temperatures, now, look at daytime
temperatures. As we look forward,it's going to really start to come up.
So I think we're good there forall the cool season crops. Still
got a ways to go yet forthose tender annual vegetables, tomatoes, peppers,
things like that, so hang onfor those. Butt This is a

great time to think about if youhave not done this, if you've moved
into a new home where you movedinto existing home, that has horrible soil
in the background. But you wantto grow vegetables and berries and whatever it
may be. Consider raised bed gardening. You know, it's container gardening,
which is my favorite way to garden. I've all done it for years and
years and years. But you know, raised bed gardening is container gardening on

steroids. And the thing cool aboutcontainer gardening it's easy for you because you
lift it up out of the ground. You don't have to bend over as
much, easy to take care of, easy to harvest. But you create
the soilets in that container, andthat that planning bed four feet wide maybe
five with the most, and aslong as you want, but do it
about four to five feet wide only. And then again, like I say,

as long as you want to heightwise, it's up to you.
But you know, you create thesoilt's in there, and you create it,
so you get off to a greatstart, whereas doing it in ground,
you know, adding composts and thingslike that, takes years to get
that soil right. That's one ofthe many benefits of growing in raised beds
and getting an earlier start and goinglonger in the season as well.
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