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Good morning, everybody. Welcome.I'm Ron Wilson, and you are in
the garden here on news Radio six' ten WTVN eight two to one,
WTVN eight hundred and six to tenWTVN talking yardening Grant. Are we in
Kansas? I mean I look around. It's like prairie land. The wind's
blowing like crazy, although I amsurrounded by a lot of plants and a

brand new garden center. We areat the new location for Darby Creek Nursery
and Landscaping. We're out in PlainCity. You got to come out and
see this thing. It's unbelievable.Jeff and Crewe, you know, Jeff
did anything to do with it,but the crew here at Darby Creek has
just set up an absolutely phenomenal newgarden center and against one of those deals.

You got to see it to believeit. It's on Amity Pike in
Plain City. It's about five minutesfrom their old location and a Hilliard literally
about five to six minutes and you'rehere. Just keep driving west and then
you vastually get there. The wind'sblowing. It seems kind of chaotic,
but there's donuts, there are hotdogs, there are t shirts grants here,

We're here, people are here.It's crazy, so come out and
say hello. We're going to behere till noon again at the new Darby
Creek Nursery and Landscape. The addressninety fifty Amity Pike if you want to
put that in your little Google mapto get you here, ninety fifty Amity
Pike, Darby Creek. And we'lltalk to Jeff Turbul here just a little
while to find out exactly what's goingon. And it looks pretty darn cool

in the meantime, as we dousually starting off our show, it's signed
for the Bugget Joe Boggs report.That would be Joe Boggs is just a
professor Commercial Order Court educator for theOHUS State University Extension. Ohsh you Department
Entomology, poster boy for Ostry Extension. I still don't get that one.
Joe co creator. I'm Mathra Coffeeand Porium. The website buyg L dot

OSU dot EEDU. Good morning sir, Good morning man. I'll tell you
you had to say donuts, didn'tyou. It's got Joe Boggs written all
over. You got donut holes,you got the confectionery donuts. We got
the long Claire. Oh my goodness. I mean it's you know, it's

you. It's got you. Andthen when you're done, we've got hot
dogs, chili sauce. Oh man. Now let me ask your Are there
any donuts with uh, you know, maple flavored donuts? Maple? I
think in that box back on theback, I think has that absolutely Yes,
there you go. What what doyou think of that segue? Well,

I think it's wonderful. What arewe gonna talk about? Let's talk
about brown looking maples within canopies.Where are you seeing those? All over?
So anywhere I look, everywhere welook, and you know, this
is something that doesn't happen every year. I mean, some years worse than

others. But there's a lot ofso what we're talking about, of course,
I just realized we launched into itthat this year. And I want
to say probably central to southern Ohio. I'm not hearing so much in the
northern part of the state. Butwe'll get to the reason for that maybe
in a minute. But what we'reseeing is very heavy seed set on maples,

particularly red maples, but also sugarand silver maples, and of course,
the right name, the proper namefor these whirlybirds are called samaras.
That's what we call this seed.Any actually any seed that looks like a
helicopter samara or samara tomato tomato.Right, So let's deal with a misconception

about this. You know, RonI was taught this and I bet you
were too, that when we seea tree producing heavy seed, you know,
I was taught, well, thatmeant that tree was in trouble.
You know, it was like thelast Hurrah, trying to reproduce before,
you know, before it's doomed.It turns out with maples, that's most

likely not the case. Now,as a matter of fact, there was
research done and for those who liketo read more about it, I posted
a big old bygl Alert yesterday aboutthis. And there was a research stud
hed done in twenty seventeen in Canada. Now it was on sugar maples,

and they took a look at maplesthat had been heavily stressed by previous droughts.
So these trees, you know,conceivably could have been on the way
out or at least struggling, Andthey saw no connection between the amount of
seed production and droughts. Okay,I'm listening, so so that that seems

to be out the window, okay, and it looks like it looks like
right now. There are two thingsit could be could be responsible for this.
The first and most likely is thatthere wasn't a freeze when the maple
flowers were there, or the nissentthe little tiny samaras were there, because

they can be frozen off and thatand that's samaras, and that's, uh,
that's highly likely. The other possibility, and it could be a combination
of both, is that it turnsout research has shown and I didn't know
this, I mean I didn't knowthis so very recently that that it would
appear again. It's you know,we're talking about a particular type of maple.

Does this apply to all maple aswell? I simply don't know.
However, Uh, other research hasshown that with that sugar maples can have
just like oaks and other trees,they can have years where there's heavy production
of seed just it's just like theheavy mast that we see with oaks.

And so if you have a combinationof both, let's say, all right,
well it's a combination of some yearsthere's more seed than others. It's
just going to be that way,and there's a lack of freeze, then
you can get you know what we'reseeing right now. The problem is the
tree puts all this energy into productionof the samaras at the extensive leave,

yes, yes, at the expansionleaf production and expansion. So you see
these these trees that are heavily seedy, and they look seedy, and it
takes a while for that to goaway. I have some pictures posted.
For example, this is in southwestOhio where the entire road is just flanked
by brown looking maples. It's kindof pretty actually, kind of looks,

I mean almost looks, you know, like it was they were planted for
that esthetic reason. But it canpeople to think their trees are in trouble,
particularly if they've ever heard that,you know, a heavily seating tree
is doing it because it's going onthe way out. Just half patience.

Because at the very end of mybig alert in twenty twenty one, I
took a shot of a Freeman's maple, which is a hybrid, and it
shows in early May. It showsa tree that has a lot of seed.
It's almost see through, but bymid June. You couldn't even tell
that anything ever happened. That treewas totally a canopy, was totally filled

in with fully expanded leaves. Sodon't panty. Maybe look at it as
just kind of like a reverse offall color, right, a reverse of
fall color. Okay, that's thatworks. That works all right. Now
I got to see I thought,I thought, and of course timing has
to be just right on this,but I thought we had a couple of

really good cold snaps. Probably wasn'tlong enough enough, because I actually had
said earlier I was curious to seewhat kind of seed production we were going
to have because I thought it hadwe had gotten a couple of coult snaps.
Well, then, boy was Iwrong, because it just continued to
come on and to come on andcome on. And I don't know,
it seems like every year I saythis, but I don't think I've ever
seen so many. You know,it's it's interesting because that that really quick.

Those low temperatures kind of put thekabash to the saucer magnolia. So
you're right, Yeah, we hada little bit of a but I did
do some checking on red maples andsugar maples in our area and no those
I mean I was hoping to takeI hate to say it. I was
hoping to take pictures of damage onthe seed. But it didn't happen.

So I was at the time,I was thinking, uh, oh,
this is going to be a goodone. We can only hope. But
I have a question about those seeds. Those some maras. Is that what
you said, samaras or tomorrows?Yeah, I got a question for you
those. We're going to take abreak here we come back. We're broadcasting
live today from the brand new DarbyCreek Garden Center. You gotta come out

and see it. We're out inPlains City. Stop out. We're going
to be here till noon here onnews radio six ten WTVN. Are you
sure, Grant we're not in Kansas? We might be. We actually get
a stronger as we say, yeahsinging. That's hello, POLARTI right there

at her best. Amazing. We'rebroadcasting live today from Darby Creek Nursery and
Landscaping against their brand new garden center. You gotta come and see it.
It is outstanding, even smells.Dude. You notice that it's kept fertilizer
and plant smell but smells new too. And hot dogs and it smells like
hot dogs and smells has Larry Larsonin the air, beautiful talking with buggy

Joe Boggs the most extension. Andyou should be here, man, We
got the doughnuts to dogs a dogJoe Boggs. Dog there you are.
Wow, Yeah, you should behere. Well, can you get a
car driver? Do what he says? The hot dog? Huh? Hot

dogs and a hot dog. He'ssitting here, he's he's the he's the
mascot of the garden center under withno leads, lots of seeds, all
right, So the big question comesup all the time, and I'm sure
you get this as well. AndI've never really found a for sure one

answer on this one, and alwayssay, well you might as well give
it a try. You know whereI'm coming from. With all these seeds
falling down. The question that comesup is, then does my preen or
pre emergent orviside, whatever I chooseto use in my landscape beds, does
that stop those maple seeds samara orsome era from growing, germinating and growing.

I simply do not know the answerto that. You know, you
know, what based on I don'tthink anybody does. Yeah, true,
A true answer because I've done here. Well maybe and maybe it may limit
a few, uh you know,et cetera, et cetera, but that
I've done research for years and yearsand I cannot find anybody's ever done any

actual research of whether or not itstops him from growing. So we have
to go with anecdotal, don't Wedon't love that. We have to go
with Okay, what do we see? And uh, let's go back to
which pre emergent it could be,which is a wide range, and as
you know, what used to be, Well, the labeled pre used to

be for a specific pre emergent herbicide, right, But the product now you
know contain can contain a lot ofdifferent active ingredients. So that's the first
challenge, is that get to makesure we're talking about you know, the
same active ingredient. But the originalPreme you know, that had a pretty

decent free emergent herbicide and I sayrelatively safe to use around you know,
annuals and perennials. You didn't wantto use it, you know, when
you're seeding annuals, right, butyou could use it around planted again,
just based on anecdotal evidence in mylandscape and other landscapes, I don't think

it does a very good job againstwoody ornamental seed germination. But once again,
you know it's you just said it. You know, we don't really
have any good data on that.We have no data that I'm aware of.
And that's because when you stand backup think about it, you don't
typically think of of herbicide trials beingconducted to you know, keep a tree

from growing, right, but itdoes. It does go ahead. I
was gonna say, but as manyas they get, and that's always a
problem in the springtime. You wouldthink somebody would do that. And you
read the labels and they have allkinds of seeds that they've tested it on,
and you can even just generically sayany irvis pre emerging out there that
would stop THEAST from coming up,and it doesn't. You know, it

talks about pre emerged nervisides, butnone of them list that on their labels,
which I just thought was always interesting. So I don't know, it's
not out there. So if youcould get a grant for you to do
some research on it, maybe weshould just do this and maybe take it
into greenhouses, you know, wherethey're trying to propagate naples. That wouldn't

work well, would it. No? You know, you know Gary Gary
Bachman from our Southern gardener. Yeah, he did. He actually did.
When he was doing his uh whateverinternship or whatever, he actually did a
thing with Harry bittercrest where in thegreenhouse they had a pot of Harry bittercrests
and then they had in the middlegrowing and then they had all these containers

all the way around. It wentout about twenty feet so they saw where
the seeds popped up, how farout he could throw the seeds. Oh,
my goodness, he got money todo that then. Well, and
of course that's a you know,that's a fantastic study, you know,
like you said that, how aboutyou know, yeah, how about beer

and slugs? I mean in ColoradoState. I think it was that they
got you know, they were ableto do that research and it's paid off
and it did. Yeah, andyou think about it. But but back
in the maple and redbuds, forexample, redbud is another one you know
that we see I have a reallythe standard species and a straight species,
and my goodness, you know,I get seedlings all over the place.

Oh, well, can Grant comedown and get some of those? Yeah,
well, ah, yes, I'llbe happy to pack them up.
Yes, he won't buy one,but he wants to go and steal some
from under somebody's red bud. Theysaid they grow everywhere. Yes, so
just come the house. I'm veryI'm very hesitant to say something. You
know, what we're saying is,oh my goodness, we're almost saying that

red buds and maples are invasive,aren't we sounds like it, but they're
not. No, no, it'sit is. It is though a challenge.
And you know, when you havea big maple tree, or even
a small one, or a redbutt, or actually a number of different
trees that can produce you know,heavy loads of seed it isn't uncommon to

find those seedlings. And of course, you know, for me, it's
simply a matter of just you know, raking them out or hoeing them out
of the you know, the beds. But but you're right, you know,
a pre emergent would be very helpfulto avoid having to do that every
year. But you know you canalso you know, shift to post emergent
herbicides, right, and and youknow, and take them out that way.

But of course, as we alwayssay, no matter what you use
as a pesticide, being an herbicideor insecticide, you know, read and
follow the label directions because, asyou know, I mean, particularly the
post emergent where you're targeting a plantthat's already up, sometimes you might do
more damage to what you want toyou know, protect, than what you

are trying to eliminate. Right,yep, yep, no doubt about it.
Hey, we're running out of time. I'm going to go have a
hot dog for you and a coupleof doughnuts as well. And you're now
we are at Darby Creek and youknow what Jeff grows here that's he's exclusive
for is that Ramapo tomatoes. SoI'm taking orders. How many do you
want to know? I? Well, I don't have a lot of space,

but if I can, I knowone. I would love it.
One for sure, one for sureI will. Last year I think it
was two. Okay, all right, Well I got your ram quote Joe
Boggs, always a pleasure. Thanksfor the maple seeds, samaras somemora some
whatever you want to call it,samarasmosa yes, it's fine. Always a

pleasure, great information, and wewill talk to you next Saturday. You
take care on a great week,all right, you too, take it
quick break. We will come backand we will talk with mister Jeff Turnbull,
who's claiming that he has everything todo with everything that's going on at
this new garden center. He actuallydidn't have a whole lot to do with
any of it. Everybody else didit, but it Nevertheless, we'll talk
to Jeff about that, and again, if you want to come and see
us ninety fifty Amity Pike in PlainCity. It's brand new. You gotta

see it. It's huge, it'swindy, and we're here on news radio
six to ten WTVN. Write itdown, put it in your Google.
Come and see us ninety fifty AmityPike, Plain City. We're at Darby
Creek Nursery and Landscape, their newlocation. It is absolutely gorgeous, brand

spanking new, and sitting to myright would be the man who claims you
put it all together, but Iknow it's really his wife and the staff
and everybody else that does it,mister Jeff Turnbull, And uh boy,
you were right. It's very verynice. Good morning, Ron, Good
morning. Still smells new. Itis got a little fertilizer and thing in
the background, but it still smellsnew, like cup metal and paint and

letric electric wires, all that thrownup hot dogs. And that's a first.
You know, every time we're atDarby Creek, there's a first with
these remotes. Absolutely, we've beenflooded out. Remember that when you flooded
out Larry Larson eating thirty two hotLarry Lars eating the hot dog record here
with four bags of popcorn to gowith it. Yep. I mean it's
just been crazy. And now Dexter, they didn't listen. I told him

not, don't give him the hothot dog, give me a cold one.
And thirty seconds later we saw theresul and there it was, and
then Grant actually stopped eating. Thereyou go. Nice job, thank you.
The staff has done just a phenomenaljob here. We did most of
this work ourselves in house. Youcouldn't ask for a staff to do more.

Give more. It was twenty fourto seven. Since you know,
we shut down Hilliard October thirty first. I had a knee replaced November first,
and staff picked it up and ranwith it and just I mean the
fact that we've built two buildings finishedon ourselves. We're getting really good at
porn concrete. We've poored about seventeenhundred yards of concrete here. Wow,

and you're right, it'll get onthose little things you ride around and it
smooths it out. No, No, we use it too before the screeen
it. Oh yeah, been they'vedone that the old school away. But
no, I mean, I meaneven the girls here, the girls really
picked it up. I mean Ihad little Katie who's five foot nothing and
ninety pounds nothing. She's on askyjack. She's you know, she's hanging

tongue and groof pine on the walls. And you know, Emily and Becky,
I told him get a screw gun. We'll start screwing metal on the
inside. And they looked at meand said, what's a screw gun?
And now they've stepped up. They'vedone a phenomenal job. Angel's crew has
just worked tirelessly to build greenhouses.I mean we we literally tore everything down

in Hilliard, brought it out hereand rebuilt it. And uh, those
three guys have just done a phenomenaljob. So walk us through the process.
I mean you were at the onein Hilliard for thirty years. Thirty
years, yep, well established,and then you've got this idea and some
people call it a hair yeah,but you got this idea that well,
it all started because you know wewe bought I bought this back in six

and uh I didn't tell Cindy aboutit. And you know I almost named
it, oh no, farm numberone because when I come home, I
said, guess what I did,and she goes, oh no, And
I said, I bought a farmand she goes, oh no. And

uh So we've had product growing outhere. We've built greenhouses over the y
and then we got to move themall when we decided we're going to move
out here. So we've got todo it twice. Wonderful. But so
what made you decide to do this? I mean why, well, why
the move? Well, the realestate taxes were one the growth in Hilliard
and the road construction around us wasreally going to hamper business for the next

three or four years. Traffic wasa constant problem. And you know,
Hilliard was thirty years old, itwas needing huge investments in just infrastructure,
which made real estate taxes go higher. Madison County has been beautiful to work
with, and we could come outhere build it for half the costs with

a ninety five percent reduction in taxesbecause we're zon caauv out here, and
I mean, it's just tens ofthousands of dollars in difference. And we
decided that, you know, PlainCity is a growing community. It's even
more developed than was when I wentto Hilliard because when you know, when
I started in Hilliard thirty years ago, a friend of mine who came a

very good friend, stop by.He had an excavating company, and he
said, hey, do you needany work done? He says, I
want trees and I don't have anymoney. And I said, whinding excavating
work done and I don't have anymoney. So he literally brought his low
boy semi with a traco on it, parked it on Cosgray Road and left
it for three days and nobody saida word. It was that far out

in the middle of nowhere. Well, and now you know Cosgray Roads just
like a freeway now. So yeah, we decided it was a good move
to come out here. We weretoo cramped in Hilliard. We got twenty
acres out here, and you know, the roll of the dice was would
people show up? And I thinkthe answer to that yes, Well,

as I look around here, Iwould say, yeah, that's that would
be a definitely yes. Let's takea quick break because I want to talk
about the concept that you come upwith here. It's a little bit different
than what you had in Hilliard.We're broadcasting light to day from Darby Creek.
It's their brand new garden center,just opened up. It is full,
lots of plants, lots of annuals, the herbs. They've got everything
they would have had if they wereover and hill Heard, and probably a
whole lot more. Plus you're gonnalove this place. Plus we got the

food, the hot dogs, thedoughnuts, the whole nine yards. Stop
out and say hello, We're gonnabe here till noon, ninety to fifty
Amity Pike and Plain City. Wecome back. We'll talk with more with
mister Jeff Turnbull here on news radiosix ten WTPN. Yes, okay,

and it's the time of the seasonto come out to Darby Creek. It's
their brand new garden center. Ninetyfifty Amity Pike out in Plain City.
Jeff Turnbull and staff have put togetheran absolutely wonderful garden center. It is
stocked as as he always does atDarby Creek, lots of annuals and perennials
and tropicals in the old nine yards. He's ready to go, but you
got to come out and see itand of course enjoy the newness and the

freshness of it. It's always fun. On's brand new like this. It
is what else is. You're goingto keep adding to it every year,
so every time you come to visit, something else is going to be new,
and something else is going to benew. We plan to have the
whole place concreted eventually. Yeah,so you know, we've already got decided
what we're going to do this fall, and that's going to be in the
retail nursery, and then you know, we've still got to put a front

porch on the building. We justran out of time this winter with the
weather and all the rains. Wegot basecode of blacktop down that we're gonna
wait till probably first of June.Let's the ground dry out before we put
a final cap on. We justput an extra fifty parking spots in on
the north side of the property.Here it's just been graveled. We did
that Thursday night and finished up atnine thirty. That's round park that I'm

down to my my axles. Sonow you're not. I just want to
let you know because there's two hundredand fifty ton of gravel in there because
all the trucks come in Thursday night. Yeah it didn't move, No,
it did well, all right.So the concept here, of course,
one of the things that really helpsyou out is that you grow pretty much
all the what not all but alot of what you sell in the annuals.
Oh yeah, yeah, we probablyyou know, eighty five percent of

the ams. We probably grow sixtyseventy percent of the perennials. Okay,
and you do that in the greenhousebehind us, which you don't really see
unless you walk back there, whichis absolutely huge. Oh yeah, yeah,
we put and you know, whenwe were in Hilliard we had the
same growing range. It's bigger outhere, but you know, I would
spend the weekends like this weekend ona forklift running carts seven hundred feet front

to back. Now it's thirty feeton concrete, and the greenhouse people just
love it because they can just youknow, load a carts pushed across the
sidewalk and it's in the retail house. So we're a lot more efficient,
we're growing a lot more product.I mean, yesterday we had our flower
Power Happy hour and we sold fortyone hundred and fifty seven hanging baskets yesterday
on a Friday, and that wasonly to three customers. Yeah, the

record yesterday the girls kept track.Somebody bout one hundred and twenty six hanging
baskets and I got to assume becauseif you can, if you can afford
that those are great to plant inthe ground. Yeah, because of the
well that's what we doing landscape cruise. We just take takes out of hanging
baskets out, put them in theground, and we look like we're geniuses.
It's not that hard. So thisis then connected to that greenhouse.
So then you guys can be restockingon a regular basis. Just have a

cruise that does nothing but stocking,going back, picking up the yep and
bringing it back, so you're lessapt to be out of things on the
tables. Correct. I mean we'vebeen restocking since six thirty this morning because
they just literally cleared everything out yesterdayafternoon. And right now it's probably eighty
five percent restocked and looks fantastic.And the cruise are still pulling Angel on

his crew of back there and they'rejust pulling everything we got. And of
course you're on that. I drovepast it. I'll be honest with you.
I wasn't even paying I didn't payattention. I drove right by it.
But then once I saw it,when I made into the turn,
I was like, oh my gosh, yeah, we got We got the
sign on the barn. We uh, we got our permit from Madison County.

We got a poll sign going out. It's fifteen feet tall. It's
going in. I'm hoping in thenext two weeks. But zoning officer retired.
We had some issues in the transition. They didn't have staff to take
over. We couldn't get it approved. But we're hoping by Mother's Day that
the signs of well, you cansee I mean obviously that on the bill,
it's on the building. You can'tmiss it, is it? You
know, I got right on it. That's right. And you said,

and we're the only curve on AmityPike, it is, there is only
one, and we're right there onthe Curve. And you know Amity Pike
is an extension of Rings Road,So you know, you go up Cosgrave
from where we used to be,turn left on or right depending on where
you're coming if you're coming from Dublin, and uh, Rings becomes Amity Pike
when it crosses into Madison County.So you know, we're real close.

We're we're literally three quarters of amile from the Dublin city limits and we're
only about a mile a quarter fromthe Hilliard city limits. But the transition
from suburb to to agriculture is significantand fast. So it looks like,
I mean, it's beautiful out here. There's you know, there's no neighborhood,

there's no nothing. There's just cornand soybean fields around us. Wind
that's a wind, lots of wind, lots of wind. Never dies down
out here. It's all right.That's another on with that. You know.
Before you sat down, I wasreflecting back to my old college days
when I used to work at Slimmonsand they had a nursery and was over
off Industrial parkment off Industrial Park,and I can't think of the gentleman who

had this smaller nursery that was therealso and I'll think of it eventually,
yep. And I think day PrettyDay Party took us escape there for a
while. But yeah, back then, when we drove all the way off
from a campus to get out here, it was like it took foreverything.
Oh yeah, it was. Itwas absolutely in the middle of nowhere.
Yeah, and you know, PlainCities. When we had a ribbon cutting

last week, Madison County Chamber Commercedid ribbon cutting for us, and all
the people from Plain City showed upand I was talking to them, and
they were telling us how they expectthe population of Plain City to double in
the next seven eight years just becauseof you, just because you're here.
I don't know, because Jeff Turbullis that now no Plain City. But

I tell you, I think it'sbeen a good move. It's it's been
really good. And again staff isjust done a phenomenal job. They all
took such a vested interest. Meand Cindy are so lucky. Well,
Cindy's nothing, Well you can seeyourself lucky. No, all right,
we got to take a break.We come back. We'll continue on talking.
We're broadcasting live today from Darby Creek. We're at ninety fifty Amity Pike

in Plain City. That's their newlocation. Come and see us.
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