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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is a podcast from woor. It is the Jesse
Kelly Show. Another hour of the Jesse Kelly Show. You
gonna talk a little bit of nine to eleven here
in a moment. Brandon Darby's gonna join us half hour
from now. Do a lot of gang talk, cartel talk,
border talks, and stats in the news. And he always
tells us stuff we didn't know before. That some emails
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the House of Representatives definitely about to screw us. Over
All that and so much more coming up this hour
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whatever you want. So set aside all the politics for
a moment. And I thought it would probably be appropriate,
because today is September eleventh, to just talk about that
day briefly, what that day was for me. I know,
we all have our own stories. If you're old enough,
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you remember and you can remember details about that day.
It's crazy, and I never really got when my folks
or I would have uncles or someone who would talk
about the JFK assassination, and they would talk about I
remember where I was, I was in school, I was working,
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and they would remember it. And until nine to eleven happened.
I didn't get that at all because there had there
been huge events in my lifetime, huge events, but none
of them stopped time, and none of them seared their
way into my memory that I can tell you. I mean,
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I can remember, well, here was, Here's what I was doing.
I was not one of those extremely brave so who
went to join the military after nine to eleven. I
was already in. I had already joined. I joined in
two thousand, so I've been in for a year. I
was an infantry marine in twenty nine Palms, California. And
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we went on a long pt run that morning, just
a long run, calisthenics, the standard Marine Corps stuff. There's stuff,
nothing that would surprise you. But we're out running all
over like we always did. And we got back to
be we were in front of our barracks. You know
the barracks. It's a dorm. Just think of it like
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a dorm. A lot, a lot crappier, but it's a dorm.
So you'll all have rooms and you have roommates. It's
the barracks, and we're in front of the barracks, that's
where we stopped our run, and we're stretching doing some exercises,
and word came down. Get up to your room now
and turn on the television. Oh i'd been getting I'd
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been given a lot of orders since I in my
one year in the Marine Corps. Everyone was always ordering
you to do something, as you're not in charge of anything.
I'd never been told to watch TV. But okay, we
knew something was up. But we all ran up to
the barracks. We're all sweaty, sandy, dirty, and we turned
on the television. It was CNN actually, and when we
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turned it on, they must have caught us right when
it happened, because when we turned it on, only one
tower had been hit. The second tower hadn't even been hit.
And maybe maybe you were more in the know than
we were at the time, but initially we were very confused.
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We were confused about what had happened. We were confused
why we needed to be in the barracks watching the
television because to us, the prevailing theory in a room
full of meathead marines was did somebody get drunk and
fly their plane into a tower, you know, like a
drunk driver, a drunk pilot. Hey, who's the moron who
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couldn't see the World Trade Center when he's in a plane?
That was that was our first thought. And we're all talking,
how could this have happened? You don't think a terror attack?
Was brought up? Someone said, no, that's gotta be intentional. Yeah,
I guess I could see that, but we didn't have
any idea. We didn't have any idea. We were watching
and as we're watching it live. We watched live as
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that second airliner slammed into the second tower. Okay, well,
obviously then we understood this was a coordinated terror attack.
And I don't want to act like we were okay
with it, because we were not. We were angry. I'll
screw these guys and I hope we hunt them down.
We were angry. But it was certainly nothing visceral. It
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was no, it wasn't as bad as you would think
now in hindsight, because the towers hadn't fun So to us,
we're watching on the screen and we just see the
Trade Center buildings. Both of them had big holes in them.
And it's bad, and we know people are dead obviously,
and that's bad. We're mad about that, but nothing world changing.
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And then the first tower fell. I'll never forget it
as long as I live. We were the room was dead, silent,
we'd been talking the entire time, and the tower just fell.
And you remember, if you've ever seen a video of it,
which I'm sure everyone has by now, there was so
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much dust and smoke and debris as it fell. It
was almost it was almost as if you're watching the
top of the tower. Not almost, it was you're watching
the top of the tower and there's this huge brown
gray smoke around it, and you just slowly watched the
top of the tower sink down into the and you
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know it's gone. And we're mortified, were because everyone everyone's
doing the math in their head. How many freaking people
just died in that tower? A lot? And we're confused.
I don't understand how did it fall? Which we know
all that now. And then the second tower fell, and
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you know, I'm not much of a feely person, just
not big on that. It's not who I am. I
guess probably how I was raised whatever. I had tears
coming down my face of rage. Were we wanted to
kill somebody so bad that day, we wanted to kill everybody.
They eventually were sitting there, we're taking it all in.
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What was her name, Paula's I think was her name,
Paula Zon was on CNN Blonde Chick, and she was
despondent and she was bringing the news. And then eventually
they said, hey, get down to battalion headquarters. Battalion commander
wants to see you, so our entire battalion. We scramble.
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We get down to battalion headquarters and he calls us
all in and he says, hey, I haven't been told
anything about a deployment anywhere. I don't know where we're going.
I don't know if we're going, I don't know what
we're doing. But what I do know is be ready,
get yourself ready, because we might very well get a
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call to go somewhere after what happened today. And we
wanted to so badly. It was all we wanted. Just
let me kill somebody for this. And I know that
sounds terrible. I don't give a crap how it sounds.
That's how we felt. We were a bunch of young,
patriotic Marines, and we wanted to go murder everyone who
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had anything to do with the thing. That's how we felt.
That was our feeling of the day. And of course
we didn't get that call. Not for a while. Afghanistan
kicked off. And remember at the beginning of that, that
was really the that was really the true best part
of the global War on Terror, because we were hunting
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in Asama bin Laden and anyone who did that to America.
We used to do this kind of thing should be
hunted down and killed in their sleep, and that's what
we were doing. In fact, we almost had him in Afghanistan.
I won't go into all the details of that, but
we sent CIA was there, Green Berets, all the super
hot guys, you know, the Bkays of the world, the
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Bkays of the world. They were there trying to hunt
down that guy and kill him. It wasn't for okay,
let me see September eleventh, two thousand and one, I
think it was March of twenty twenty three. February or
March of twenty twenty three is when we declared war
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on Iraq, and that's when my unit went in. Now,
we were in Kuwait before that, but it was not
a couple years. It was a year and a half
until we actually went somewhere. And I'll just never forget
that day. And I know you have your own stories,
felt like it was probably important on this day to
tell mine. I will leave you with this. I'm not
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leaving you. We're gonna keep talking about stuff. I want
to talk about the mail in stuff. We're gonna just
go back to Springfield. We're not gonna let this stuff go.
We have a couple other things we need to go into.
But in New York City they have created a nine
to eleven memorial Museum. Now you already know that I
love New York City. Love you wr but I love
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New York City. You already know that. But maybe you
hate it. Maybe you have no use for the big city.
You're worried about crime, and all those things are valid.
That's totally fine. You know how people say you should
go to Washington, d c. Once to see the monuments
and the memorials, and I agree with that. I agree
you should go visit. Don't stay, give yourself three four days,
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go see it all and leave it. Don't come back
if you ever have the opportunity. I know money doesn't
grow on trees, and I know New York City might
not be right next to you. The nine to eleven
Memorial Museum is one of those things you should do.
You should do if you're in town for a wedding,
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for business for take an hour, take two, then go
to the nine to eleven Memorial Museum. It is so
well done. And if you have children who maybe are
too young to understand the impact of this, as I do.
My boys are sixteen and fourteen. They weren't even alive
or sixteen and fifteen, Sorry, Luke, my boys are sixteen
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and fifteen. They what do they know about nine to eleven?
They know about snarky jokes they see online. It's not
real to them, and why would it be. They're too young.
It was real to them by the time we walked
out of that memorial it was real to them. So
just the little heads up that's worth going to. Also,
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I made the well, I made a horrible mistake on
the show last night. I'll explain what mistake I made
in a moment. Before I say that, let's talk about IFCJ,
the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews. I just want
you to understand something. There are places in the world
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where you need a bulletproof ambulance to guarantee you can
get from your home to the hospital. That's what it's
like for people over there. You need an ambulance that
can withstand ak forty seven rounds so you can get
to the hospital. And on October seventh, a lot of
people died in ambulances. Those hamask guys were killing everybody
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they could find, but a lot of ambulances were able
to make it to the hospitals and say lives because
they were armored. And how do you think they got
those armored ambulances. National Fellowship of Christians and Jews, the
IFCJ go support them, Go stand in solidarity with them.
Support IFCJ dot org. It's all one word support IFCJ
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dot org. We'll be back Truth Attitude Jesse Jesse Kelly
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of The Cartel Chronicles joins us, about ten minutes from now,
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this Venezuelan gang. Are there other gangs? Are they merging
or fighting with American gangs. We're going to talk to
Brandon about all this stuff in about ten minutes from now.
I apparently screwed up big time last night on the show,
and now I need to own it. I need to
get it out there. I called my mother on the
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way home last night because it was my mother's birthday,
and she appreciated the call, and then she asked me,
very pointedly, did you wish me happy birthday on your show.
I didn't hear it, So it's not funny, Chris, It's
not funny. Mom. Mom was upset because Mom did not
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get a shout out on the show. I made the
terrible mistake of trying to explain to her that people
probably care a little bit more about debate stuff and
you know, national security stuff. I tried. I tried to
baby step as best I could, explaining to her that
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her birthday isn't necessarily national news, not really something that
matters to everybody. But she was not very receptive to
that at all. She did not understand. So happy birthday
Mom today late, but I just want to I wanted
to know it was my mom's birthday last night. Happy
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birthday Mom, all right there there, I said, it, I
said it. We're good. Now. One last word on the
nine to eleven stuff. This is why I adore Tunnel
to Towers so much that you know, that's when I
talk to you all the time about Tunnel to Towers.
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You know, that's when they started. That's when they started.
It couldn't possibly be more personal for the Siller family.
They started Tunnel to Towers because well, that's the day
firemen and cops, first responders everywhere ran into the danger
and died. And they died in droves. One of the
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things you'll see at that nine to eleven Memorial Museum.
You'll see many things there, but firehouses there were pretty
much entire firehouses were eliminated because everyone got on dude,
strapped it on, charged in and died. So we're talking
firehouses that were just emptied. Cops too, and Tunnel to
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Towers from that day has dedicated themselves to trying to
care for those who are left behind when a firefighter dies,
when a cop dies, when a soldier dies. Tunnel to
Towers has been there, and I just really appreciate this organization.
I love them. I have always loved them. I've done
events with them where they read the names of every
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everyone who died in Iraq or Afghanistan. I just it's
a wonderful organization that doesn't rip people off. I love
them and that's all I wanted to say. And you
should support them. It's worthy of your support. That eleven
bucks a month. You've heard me say it a million times.
Eleven bucks a month is what they ask for T
the number two T dot org T two T dot org.
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So probably your time and certainly worth your money. They
do amazing work. Enough of that, Enough of that for now,
Thomas Massey speaking of amazing One of the really really
good people we have in Congress. Thomas Massey's getting us
all prepped and ready for what I've already told you
is coming.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
And we'll be honest with the American people about what's
going on here.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
This is political theater.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
I'm going to call out both sides right here. It's
all posturing as fake fighting. We all know where it
ends up. This is Groundhog Day. I don't care if
the Democrat is the speaker or Republican is the speaker.
We always get a cr in September and then we
get an omnibus. Sometimes there's a twist on that we
might get the Omnibus before Christmas, but if we're not good,
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it comes after Christmas.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
But that's what's going to happen.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
And in the meantime it's political theater.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
I don't want to bring you down, but they're going
to pass a continuing resolution Mike Johnson today, earlier today
he tabled it for now, so it won't happen this week.
We'll deal with this next week. But Republicans are making
a bunch of noise about the Save Act that doesn't
really do anything either. I want to remind you that
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a continuing resolution in and of itself is illegal. There
should never be a continuing resolution that is reserved for
emergency purposes. We are in the middle of World War iree.
We don't have time for a budget fight. Just keep
spending it. Congress has an obligation to come up with
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a budget and have a budget fight when the public
can see, when the public can argue over And because
none of these pieces of trash want to be held
to account for what they're doing with your money. This
is your money and your children's money, none of them
want to be held to account for it. So now
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these sea are the continuing resolution is just what they
do every time. It's a way of saying, well, let's
just keep doing what we were doing. Then you never
have to be held account for the billions and billion
of forget billions, for the trillions of dollars of your money.
The government is tearing through And I just want to
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drive this point home, which you already know, but you
have to get this through to norm and norma and
pound and pound, and don't stop pounding this point home.
Every dime Washington spends now makes the cost of the
things in your life go up another billion here, a
ten billion here, a fifty billion there. It's not just nothing.
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It's the reason you can't afford eggs. It's the reason
you can't afford a house. It's the reason the value
of your dollar continues to go down, down down. Washington
spending did that to you, and none of the people
in charge want to do anything about it. That's a fact.
And they're gonna do the Save Act, the Save Act.
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As if the Save Act is even something you could implement.
It's September eleventh, the election is less than two months away. Ridiculous,
and we won't get the Save Act anyway. Ridiculous Mike
Johnson's probably already grabbing his ankles, getting ready for the
whole thing. Brandon Darby joins us talk Cartel stuff. Next
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is the Jesse Kelly Show on a Wednesday. I don't
know who that band is. Kristen Darby, pick that song
that's dude has a good voice. Joining me now, Bright
bart Cartel Chronicles. You know he's your one stop shop
for everything Border Cartel. And if you've been hearing the
name trenda Arragua in the news recently, guess where you
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heard it? First? From Brandon Darby's mouth a long time ago.
First of all, Brandon, what is that band? That dude
sounded good?
Speaker 3 (19:54):
It's a guy named Danzig and it's a try from
the eighties or the early nineties or something. And it
just popped out of my mouth. When he asked me
what song I would it. Usually he picks kind of
gay eighties songs, and he picks and he said, and
it's what he likes to hear when he hears when
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I'm on air. So I don't know what's going on
with him. I don't know, but that's okay. I support him.
I don't care. It's all good, Like it's not my business.
You know, it's none of my business. But that's between
him and God, him and whomever.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
Yeah, no, Chris, you hear that you love who you love.
We're all with you, buddy. Anyway. Brandon, you I'm certainly
you're You're a much better person than I am. So
I know you're not celebrating the fact that you called
the whole trendy Arragua thing. But it generally is bad
for a nation to import an entire prison gang from
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another country, and it's not working out well for us.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
It is not working out well. And I'm sad that
I'm correct, but I was correct. But you know, that's
what we do, is we might under transnational criminal organizations.
And they started showing up, and once they started showing
up in droves, we tried to alert the public and say, hey,
these guys are coming. This is going to be a
name that all of you will hear in the months
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to come. Give it six months and you're all going
to hear this. And I think that was about right.
And now they're all over the news, and you know,
I think it's quite concerning. But they're not the only
criminal gang who's being imported into our country, you know,
like when you have you know, let's just be really
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clear what we're talking about. During the Biden administration, in
the last four years, right, not even quite four years,
they have had over ten million people, right, call them
the legal aliens. I think migrants a better term for
some of them, illegal alien for others, depending on how
they got here and what have you. They've had over
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ten million people show up at our border illicitly, with
another two million that the US government reports were got aways,
meaning that they have traces that they came or they
saw them come in, but they couldn't get them. So
they have twelve million people who have come across in
this administration. That is a lot of people, man. And
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I am as sympathetic as the next guy to workers
and to people I've worked with when I was a
teenager who worked on farms or ranches, ranches. In my case,
I'm very sympathetic. I understand why they come. But here's
the problem. Those kind of people who are good people
are not the only ones coming. Right. Let's be very clear,
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even if if the numbers hold true, that five percent
of any group, whether it's native border or people who
show up illicitly across our border are criminals, right, which
I think the numbers actually higher in that case when
it comes to people who show up illicitly across our border,
our heart and criminals. Even that would mean that we
have imported, you know, hundreds of thousands of people into
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our country who are hard in criminals who should not
be here. So despite the fact that millions of them
might be nice people who are trying to work, and
not that even if they are nice people trying to work,
we have problems there too, right, Like the state of
Texas and it's public education system. It is the dartest
thing I've ever heard. I will sit with liberal friends,
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some of whom are teachers, and they will talk about
how there's not enough money in the public school system.
They need more money in the public school system to
properly educate kids. And in the same breast they'll talk
about the fact that it's okay that hundreds of thousands
of students are showing up in the middle of the
school year who are non English speaking right into our
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public school system. And it's like, well, you can't have both.
Do we have the resources to help these hundreds of
thousands of kids who are showing up in the middle
of the school year from across our border, or do
you not have enough money? Because if you do the
math and you're intellectually consistent, you're admitting that we are
taking away from the US taxpayer and the Texan taxpayer.
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We are taking away from those kids' education to fund
the educations of hundreds of thousands of people from other places.
And that's that's you know, things get things get dicey,
very sympathetic. I understand why people come, but at the
same time, let's be very clear we have problem. That's
too many people. I mean, this is out of control.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
Speaking with Brandon Darby Cartel Chronicles, Brandon, you mentioned you
mentioned trendy Aragua. Obviously they're all in the news now,
even though I heard it from you first. But they're
not the only one who are the others?
Speaker 3 (24:41):
Oh well, there's a okay, So Venezuela the way that
Venezuela is kind of structured when you go. I hate
to get into the weeds with everybody when you go.
Javis took over and you had what they called the
peaceful revolution. Right Chaves took over where he was this
rabid leftist military guy Yugoshatas. What he did, what his
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administration did was he basically took the dominant criminal groups,
because those were also the revolutionary groups, right, there's that
fine line between revolutionary and organized criminal. He took the
dominant criminal groups in every Venezuelan state and he basically
organized them and brought them into his administration to help
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him run the barrios in those states. So that is
how he kept order and enforced his will in these barrios,
which comprised millions of people in each Venezuelan state. That
is what he did. So each of those states, trendy
Arragua is just the dominant criminal group and Ragua, right,
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but we have other Venezuelan states and those criminal groups
are coming to. On top of that, we're still having
MS thirteen go back and forth. Tons of what they
call street gangs who are coming into this country. We
have tons of them who are here. We have many
that we you know with MS thirteen. Remember it was
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people who came here and then as we deported them,
they had become gang members here, and as we deported them,
that spread the gangs back to their native countries right
in Central America. So this is this illicit. You know,
if you want people to come here, and you want
everyone in the world to be able to come here,
then you need to campaign for laws that allow that
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to happen legally and legitimately. But you can't just say,
you know, to hell with your laws, We're going to
find in runs around it and just let everybody show
up and stay. You can't do it. When you do
it that way, you end up with what we're seeing.
So tons of criminal groups are come in and it's
very hard to keep up with. It's difficult to keep
up with the sheer numbers of different gangs who have
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who have arrived in our country because of an unsecured
and improperly secured border.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
Brandon, why aren't they at war yet? Or are they?
And I just don't see it with our home grown
criminal organizations be it. I don't care what level of
organized crime you want to go to, from the Italian
mafia to the freaging, you name it, the crips, I
don't care who it is. Why are they not warring
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with each other because there's only so many drugs and
prostitutes to go around?
Speaker 3 (27:32):
Well, they actually are, so So what we're seeing is
what we like, we go to Chicago. This is something
I started covering and I think twenty ten or twenty eleven,
and what I was doing was I was just getting
on pacer, which is a site that you can download
court transcripts and court documents right back in the past.
And I would get there and I would I would
see some news release about gang members charged in Chicago
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for murder, and then I would read through the transcripts
and all the court cons It will take me a
day or two, and usually fourteen or fifteen page fourteen
or fifteen or transcripts or indictments. There would be some
mentioned that they were acting at the the you know,
under the orders of somewhat a criminal group in Mexico,
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and I'm like, how come that's not in the news, right?
So I started writing about these groups. So what's going
to happen is they're not going to take over and
become challengers to you know, various drug cartels from Mexico.
What they're going to do is they're going to become
allies and we're going to have what we already have.
We have some US street gangs who are working or
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who are allied with Lossettas or CDN we have some
who are allied with the Golf Cartel. We have some
who are allied with various factions of Sinaloa. And what
we're going to see is Trained de Arragua ultimately start
to ally with wherever they are. So what you'll have
is you have some people in Trained de Arragua in
California who who are with, you know, the Chief Wana Cartel.
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You have some who will align with, you know, various
Sinaloa groups. You'll have some in Texas who will align
with Zetto's and some who are aligned with whatever. And
even though they're they're the same gang, they're gonna ultimately,
you know, regionally operate on behalf of these Mexico based
transnitional criminal groups.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
He is Brandon Darby. Brandon, I hate to ask, because
I didn't ask you beforehand. Feel free to say no.
Do you think you could stay on? I just have
a couple other quick questions I wanted to ask you.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
I would love to.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
All right, we will be right back, Brandon Darby gonna
gonna dig into this stuff just a little bit more.
Hang on, love it. It is the Jesse Kelly Show
on a Wednesday, digging into all things cartel street gang
trend a a rag while with my friend Brandon Darby,
of course, of the cartel chronicles. If you're not reading
the stuff Darby does, you just don't know. You don't
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know what's going on with the border and immigration and
stuff like that, Okay, Brandon. So I want to ask
about our own more traditional criminal organizations here and where
they fit into all this, and more specifically, I want
to ask about the Italian mafia. Where are they when
it comes to working with the cartels with street gangs.
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I know they contract out with street gangs to do killings,
but I know there's also rivalries there, or is the
Italian mafia is so shattered it's just nothing, it's all
cartel stuff now.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
I think it's largely shattered. I think if we were
to go up north, obviously there's there's probably you know,
trash or refuse rackets and construction rackets and all kinds
of other things going on in New York City. And
but you look at a city like Philadelphia and they
just got decimated. Right. So, you know, Michael Francis, who
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was a former boss in the you know, the Italian mob.
He Italian American Mob is a better accurate or more
accurate description. In Chicago, he talks about that, and they're
just they they decimated their way of life with you know,
with Rico statutes. They decimated their way of life. And
when people are facing life in prison or a nice
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chrishy life on the Witness Protection program to tell on
some other people, they generally pick tell on other people
because they pick people, pick their wife and their kids
over you know, some chubby guy named Vito who kills people. Right,
They're always going to do that. And there's a couple
of exceptions. I think Michael Fancis's father didn't, but most
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of them will turn and become States evidence and and
they've just the US authorities decimated the mom They're much
more formal, but in that same sense, US authorities have
decimated some Mexican cartels, right, So if we look at
that's especially the golf cartel there there are they powerful, yeah,
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but really what they are is you have some factions
of the Golf cartel who work with the Sinaloa cartel.
You have some factions who work with with Loseette, us CDN,
you have some factions to work with Cartel Jalisco. And
even though these groups are at war with each other.
Sometimes different golf cartel groups are at war. And we've
talked about this before. Like for many years, US border security,
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especially when it came to terrorism, really relied on this
notion that these cartels would not allow transnational terrorists, right
like international terrorists to cross our border because they realized
it would really shut down our border and ultimately hurt
their ability to make profits with drugs. But then as
the US government and the Mexican government started going after
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the heads of these cartels, what they were left with
is a bunch of young guys who don't care about tomorrow,
don't care about long term profit sustainability within their drug trade,
who will just do whatever they can to make a
quip but today, and that that makes for a very
dangerous criminal organization. When they don't care about tomorrow, they
have no concern for it because they're young and they're
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dumb in their own cocaine or whatever they're doing, it
makes very dangerous situation. So I think that's kind of
you know, the mob being more formal, I kind of
liken it back to wars in the past versus wars
now in the past. You know, if the leadership of
the nation wanted to surrender. Generally the nation surrendered. Nowadays,
if the leadership was to surrender, groups of people in
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the country don't care. It decentralizes, It takes the you know,
Irish Republican army, the army model, and just they break
into splinter groups and still do attacks and terror attacks,
and it doesn't matter what the formal government does. Well.
With the Italian mob, it's been more like a formal government.
They've they've kind of taken a back seat to things
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with these groups from south of our border. The more
you take out the leadership, the more fragmented these criminal
groups become. And they don't stop so like a hydra.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
So we should leave the leadership alone.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
No, no, I don't think we should leave the leadership alone.
I'm in favor of doubling down, tripling down, quadrupling down,
and just it's like you want to keep going, Let's
keep going. That's what I'm in favor of. I'm also
in favor of looking at the root causes. I don't
want to sound like Obama here, but looking at the
things that lead people to this. Right, Like, let's be
really clear when when we fuel transnational criminal organizations in
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south of Texas when we have policies that allow them
to make hundreds of millions of dollars right and fuel
themselves these criminal groups by bringing migrants to our border
or a llegal aliens the what the hell you want to
call them to our border, and we're fueling the very
things that are causing people to flee in the first place, right,
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causing the corruption in the first place. When we do that,
we are in fact exacerbating the problem when we allow Mexico,
when we try to treat Mexico, which is listed by
all world bodies as a failing nation, excuse me, a
fragile state. Not failing yet, it's one step above failing
(35:02):
or failed. It's a fragile state that has over half
of its territory under the control of transnational paramilitary criminal organizations.
A nation that when they want to do a federal
police action, they have to use their military because these
groups are so powerful with RPGs and every bit of
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weaponry that the Mexican government has. When we're dealing with
that nation, if we continue to treat them like they are,
like their government is somehow equal to us, like we
deal with them like we're dealing with England, or like UK,
or like we're dealing with Canada, or like we're dealing
with Japan, and we treat them that way, we are,
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in factoring a blind eye to them. So I'm in
favor of being very aggressive. I'm in favor of not
waiting for the approval of Mexico's drug cartel connected leadership
and just doing what we need to do to protect
our citizens in Mexicano. That's where I come from, So
I'm in a very different position. So no, I do
not think that we should stop getting the heads of
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cartel's I do, however, think that we half measures are
why we where we are. If we left them alone,
we'd be better off than where we are. I think
we'd be the best off long term if we took
them out. But so to speak, you know, but the
half measures is where the trouble really comes in.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
Yeah, as is often the case, Brandon Darby, you are
the best, my brother, Thank you so much. Come back
join us soon. That was awesome. This has been a
podcast from Woor
This is a podcast from woor. It is the Jesse
Kelly Show. Another hour of the Jesse Kelly Show. You
gonna talk a little bit of nine to eleven here
in a moment. Brandon Darby's gonna join us half hour
from now. Do a lot of gang talk, cartel talk,
border talks, and stats in the news. And he always
tells us stuff we didn't know before. That some emails
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the House of Representatives definitely about to screw us. Over
All that and so much more coming up this hour
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whatever you want. So set aside all the politics for
a moment. And I thought it would probably be appropriate,
because today is September eleventh, to just talk about that
day briefly, what that day was for me. I know,
we all have our own stories. If you're old enough,
(01:08):
you remember and you can remember details about that day.
It's crazy, and I never really got when my folks
or I would have uncles or someone who would talk
about the JFK assassination, and they would talk about I
remember where I was, I was in school, I was working,
(01:30):
and they would remember it. And until nine to eleven happened.
I didn't get that at all because there had there
been huge events in my lifetime, huge events, but none
of them stopped time, and none of them seared their
way into my memory that I can tell you. I mean,
(01:51):
I can remember, well, here was, Here's what I was doing.
I was not one of those extremely brave so who
went to join the military after nine to eleven. I
was already in. I had already joined. I joined in
two thousand, so I've been in for a year. I
was an infantry marine in twenty nine Palms, California. And
(02:16):
we went on a long pt run that morning, just
a long run, calisthenics, the standard Marine Corps stuff. There's stuff,
nothing that would surprise you. But we're out running all
over like we always did. And we got back to
be we were in front of our barracks. You know
the barracks. It's a dorm. Just think of it like
(02:37):
a dorm. A lot, a lot crappier, but it's a dorm.
So you'll all have rooms and you have roommates. It's
the barracks, and we're in front of the barracks, that's
where we stopped our run, and we're stretching doing some exercises,
and word came down. Get up to your room now
and turn on the television. Oh i'd been getting I'd
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been given a lot of orders since I in my
one year in the Marine Corps. Everyone was always ordering
you to do something, as you're not in charge of anything.
I'd never been told to watch TV. But okay, we
knew something was up. But we all ran up to
the barracks. We're all sweaty, sandy, dirty, and we turned
on the television. It was CNN actually, and when we
(03:22):
turned it on, they must have caught us right when
it happened, because when we turned it on, only one
tower had been hit. The second tower hadn't even been hit.
And maybe maybe you were more in the know than
we were at the time, but initially we were very confused.
(03:44):
We were confused about what had happened. We were confused
why we needed to be in the barracks watching the
television because to us, the prevailing theory in a room
full of meathead marines was did somebody get drunk and
fly their plane into a tower, you know, like a
drunk driver, a drunk pilot. Hey, who's the moron who
(04:05):
couldn't see the World Trade Center when he's in a plane?
That was that was our first thought. And we're all talking,
how could this have happened? You don't think a terror attack?
Was brought up? Someone said, no, that's gotta be intentional. Yeah,
I guess I could see that, but we didn't have
any idea. We didn't have any idea. We were watching
and as we're watching it live. We watched live as
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that second airliner slammed into the second tower. Okay, well,
obviously then we understood this was a coordinated terror attack.
And I don't want to act like we were okay
with it, because we were not. We were angry. I'll
screw these guys and I hope we hunt them down.
We were angry. But it was certainly nothing visceral. It
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was no, it wasn't as bad as you would think
now in hindsight, because the towers hadn't fun So to us,
we're watching on the screen and we just see the
Trade Center buildings. Both of them had big holes in them.
And it's bad, and we know people are dead obviously,
and that's bad. We're mad about that, but nothing world changing.
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And then the first tower fell. I'll never forget it
as long as I live. We were the room was dead, silent,
we'd been talking the entire time, and the tower just fell.
And you remember, if you've ever seen a video of it,
which I'm sure everyone has by now, there was so
(05:37):
much dust and smoke and debris as it fell. It
was almost it was almost as if you're watching the
top of the tower. Not almost, it was you're watching
the top of the tower and there's this huge brown
gray smoke around it, and you just slowly watched the
top of the tower sink down into the and you
(06:00):
know it's gone. And we're mortified, were because everyone everyone's
doing the math in their head. How many freaking people
just died in that tower? A lot? And we're confused.
I don't understand how did it fall? Which we know
all that now. And then the second tower fell, and
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you know, I'm not much of a feely person, just
not big on that. It's not who I am. I
guess probably how I was raised whatever. I had tears
coming down my face of rage. Were we wanted to
kill somebody so bad that day, we wanted to kill everybody.
They eventually were sitting there, we're taking it all in.
(06:46):
What was her name, Paula's I think was her name,
Paula Zon was on CNN Blonde Chick, and she was
despondent and she was bringing the news. And then eventually
they said, hey, get down to battalion headquarters. Battalion commander
wants to see you, so our entire battalion. We scramble.
(07:07):
We get down to battalion headquarters and he calls us
all in and he says, hey, I haven't been told
anything about a deployment anywhere. I don't know where we're going.
I don't know if we're going, I don't know what
we're doing. But what I do know is be ready,
get yourself ready, because we might very well get a
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call to go somewhere after what happened today. And we
wanted to so badly. It was all we wanted. Just
let me kill somebody for this. And I know that
sounds terrible. I don't give a crap how it sounds.
That's how we felt. We were a bunch of young,
patriotic Marines, and we wanted to go murder everyone who
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had anything to do with the thing. That's how we felt.
That was our feeling of the day. And of course
we didn't get that call. Not for a while. Afghanistan
kicked off. And remember at the beginning of that, that
was really the that was really the true best part
of the global War on Terror, because we were hunting
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in Asama bin Laden and anyone who did that to America.
We used to do this kind of thing should be
hunted down and killed in their sleep, and that's what
we were doing. In fact, we almost had him in Afghanistan.
I won't go into all the details of that, but
we sent CIA was there, Green Berets, all the super
hot guys, you know, the Bkays of the world, the
(08:32):
Bkays of the world. They were there trying to hunt
down that guy and kill him. It wasn't for okay,
let me see September eleventh, two thousand and one, I
think it was March of twenty twenty three. February or
March of twenty twenty three is when we declared war
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on Iraq, and that's when my unit went in. Now,
we were in Kuwait before that, but it was not
a couple years. It was a year and a half
until we actually went somewhere. And I'll just never forget
that day. And I know you have your own stories,
felt like it was probably important on this day to
tell mine. I will leave you with this. I'm not
(09:14):
leaving you. We're gonna keep talking about stuff. I want
to talk about the mail in stuff. We're gonna just
go back to Springfield. We're not gonna let this stuff go.
We have a couple other things we need to go into.
But in New York City they have created a nine
to eleven memorial Museum. Now you already know that I
love New York City. Love you wr but I love
(09:38):
New York City. You already know that. But maybe you
hate it. Maybe you have no use for the big city.
You're worried about crime, and all those things are valid.
That's totally fine. You know how people say you should
go to Washington, d c. Once to see the monuments
and the memorials, and I agree with that. I agree
you should go visit. Don't stay, give yourself three four days,
(09:58):
go see it all and leave it. Don't come back
if you ever have the opportunity. I know money doesn't
grow on trees, and I know New York City might
not be right next to you. The nine to eleven
Memorial Museum is one of those things you should do.
You should do if you're in town for a wedding,
(10:20):
for business for take an hour, take two, then go
to the nine to eleven Memorial Museum. It is so
well done. And if you have children who maybe are
too young to understand the impact of this, as I do.
My boys are sixteen and fourteen. They weren't even alive
or sixteen and fifteen, Sorry, Luke, my boys are sixteen
(10:41):
and fifteen. They what do they know about nine to eleven?
They know about snarky jokes they see online. It's not
real to them, and why would it be. They're too young.
It was real to them by the time we walked
out of that memorial it was real to them. So
just the little heads up that's worth going to. Also,
(11:03):
I made the well, I made a horrible mistake on
the show last night. I'll explain what mistake I made
in a moment. Before I say that, let's talk about IFCJ,
the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews. I just want
you to understand something. There are places in the world
(11:24):
where you need a bulletproof ambulance to guarantee you can
get from your home to the hospital. That's what it's
like for people over there. You need an ambulance that
can withstand ak forty seven rounds so you can get
to the hospital. And on October seventh, a lot of
people died in ambulances. Those hamask guys were killing everybody
(11:48):
they could find, but a lot of ambulances were able
to make it to the hospitals and say lives because
they were armored. And how do you think they got
those armored ambulances. National Fellowship of Christians and Jews, the
IFCJ go support them, Go stand in solidarity with them.
Support IFCJ dot org. It's all one word support IFCJ
(12:13):
dot org. We'll be back Truth Attitude Jesse Jesse Kelly
show on a Wednesday. I'll hop day. Remember if you
miss any part of the show, you can download the
whole thing on iHeart, on Spotify, on iTunes. Brandon Darby
of The Cartel Chronicles joins us, about ten minutes from now,
(12:34):
this Venezuelan gang. Are there other gangs? Are they merging
or fighting with American gangs. We're going to talk to
Brandon about all this stuff in about ten minutes from now.
I apparently screwed up big time last night on the show,
and now I need to own it. I need to
get it out there. I called my mother on the
(12:58):
way home last night because it was my mother's birthday,
and she appreciated the call, and then she asked me,
very pointedly, did you wish me happy birthday on your show.
I didn't hear it, So it's not funny, Chris, It's
not funny. Mom. Mom was upset because Mom did not
(13:21):
get a shout out on the show. I made the
terrible mistake of trying to explain to her that people
probably care a little bit more about debate stuff and
you know, national security stuff. I tried. I tried to
baby step as best I could, explaining to her that
(13:42):
her birthday isn't necessarily national news, not really something that
matters to everybody. But she was not very receptive to
that at all. She did not understand. So happy birthday
Mom today late, but I just want to I wanted
to know it was my mom's birthday last night. Happy
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birthday Mom, all right there there, I said, it, I
said it. We're good. Now. One last word on the
nine to eleven stuff. This is why I adore Tunnel
to Towers so much that you know, that's when I
talk to you all the time about Tunnel to Towers.
(14:24):
You know, that's when they started. That's when they started.
It couldn't possibly be more personal for the Siller family.
They started Tunnel to Towers because well, that's the day
firemen and cops, first responders everywhere ran into the danger
and died. And they died in droves. One of the
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things you'll see at that nine to eleven Memorial Museum.
You'll see many things there, but firehouses there were pretty
much entire firehouses were eliminated because everyone got on dude,
strapped it on, charged in and died. So we're talking
firehouses that were just emptied. Cops too, and Tunnel to
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Towers from that day has dedicated themselves to trying to
care for those who are left behind when a firefighter dies,
when a cop dies, when a soldier dies. Tunnel to
Towers has been there, and I just really appreciate this organization.
I love them. I have always loved them. I've done
events with them where they read the names of every
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everyone who died in Iraq or Afghanistan. I just it's
a wonderful organization that doesn't rip people off. I love
them and that's all I wanted to say. And you
should support them. It's worthy of your support. That eleven
bucks a month. You've heard me say it a million times.
Eleven bucks a month is what they ask for T
the number two T dot org T two T dot org.
(15:58):
So probably your time and certainly worth your money. They
do amazing work. Enough of that, Enough of that for now,
Thomas Massey speaking of amazing One of the really really
good people we have in Congress. Thomas Massey's getting us
all prepped and ready for what I've already told you
is coming.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
And we'll be honest with the American people about what's
going on here.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
This is political theater.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
I'm going to call out both sides right here. It's
all posturing as fake fighting. We all know where it
ends up. This is Groundhog Day. I don't care if
the Democrat is the speaker or Republican is the speaker.
We always get a cr in September and then we
get an omnibus. Sometimes there's a twist on that we
might get the Omnibus before Christmas, but if we're not good,
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it comes after Christmas.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
But that's what's going to happen.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
And in the meantime it's political theater.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
I don't want to bring you down, but they're going
to pass a continuing resolution Mike Johnson today, earlier today
he tabled it for now, so it won't happen this week.
We'll deal with this next week. But Republicans are making
a bunch of noise about the Save Act that doesn't
really do anything either. I want to remind you that
(17:16):
a continuing resolution in and of itself is illegal. There
should never be a continuing resolution that is reserved for
emergency purposes. We are in the middle of World War iree.
We don't have time for a budget fight. Just keep
spending it. Congress has an obligation to come up with
(17:39):
a budget and have a budget fight when the public
can see, when the public can argue over And because
none of these pieces of trash want to be held
to account for what they're doing with your money. This
is your money and your children's money, none of them
want to be held to account for it. So now
(17:59):
these sea are the continuing resolution is just what they
do every time. It's a way of saying, well, let's
just keep doing what we were doing. Then you never
have to be held account for the billions and billion
of forget billions, for the trillions of dollars of your money.
The government is tearing through And I just want to
(18:19):
drive this point home, which you already know, but you
have to get this through to norm and norma and
pound and pound, and don't stop pounding this point home.
Every dime Washington spends now makes the cost of the
things in your life go up another billion here, a
ten billion here, a fifty billion there. It's not just nothing.
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It's the reason you can't afford eggs. It's the reason
you can't afford a house. It's the reason the value
of your dollar continues to go down, down down. Washington
spending did that to you, and none of the people
in charge want to do anything about it. That's a fact.
And they're gonna do the Save Act, the Save Act.
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As if the Save Act is even something you could implement.
It's September eleventh, the election is less than two months away. Ridiculous,
and we won't get the Save Act anyway. Ridiculous Mike
Johnson's probably already grabbing his ankles, getting ready for the
whole thing. Brandon Darby joins us talk Cartel stuff. Next
(19:23):
is the Jesse Kelly Show on a Wednesday. I don't
know who that band is. Kristen Darby, pick that song
that's dude has a good voice. Joining me now, Bright
bart Cartel Chronicles. You know he's your one stop shop
for everything Border Cartel. And if you've been hearing the
name trenda Arragua in the news recently, guess where you
(19:46):
heard it? First? From Brandon Darby's mouth a long time ago.
First of all, Brandon, what is that band? That dude
sounded good?
Speaker 3 (19:54):
It's a guy named Danzig and it's a try from
the eighties or the early nineties or something. And it
just popped out of my mouth. When he asked me
what song I would it. Usually he picks kind of
gay eighties songs, and he picks and he said, and
it's what he likes to hear when he hears when
(20:15):
I'm on air. So I don't know what's going on
with him. I don't know, but that's okay. I support him.
I don't care. It's all good, Like it's not my business.
You know, it's none of my business. But that's between
him and God, him and whomever.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
Yeah, no, Chris, you hear that you love who you love.
We're all with you, buddy. Anyway. Brandon, you I'm certainly
you're You're a much better person than I am. So
I know you're not celebrating the fact that you called
the whole trendy Arragua thing. But it generally is bad
for a nation to import an entire prison gang from
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another country, and it's not working out well for us.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
It is not working out well. And I'm sad that
I'm correct, but I was correct. But you know, that's
what we do, is we might under transnational criminal organizations.
And they started showing up, and once they started showing
up in droves, we tried to alert the public and say, hey,
these guys are coming. This is going to be a
name that all of you will hear in the months
(21:14):
to come. Give it six months and you're all going
to hear this. And I think that was about right.
And now they're all over the news, and you know,
I think it's quite concerning. But they're not the only
criminal gang who's being imported into our country, you know,
like when you have you know, let's just be really
(21:34):
clear what we're talking about. During the Biden administration, in
the last four years, right, not even quite four years,
they have had over ten million people, right, call them
the legal aliens. I think migrants a better term for
some of them, illegal alien for others, depending on how
they got here and what have you. They've had over
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ten million people show up at our border illicitly, with
another two million that the US government reports were got aways,
meaning that they have traces that they came or they
saw them come in, but they couldn't get them. So
they have twelve million people who have come across in
this administration. That is a lot of people, man. And
(22:18):
I am as sympathetic as the next guy to workers
and to people I've worked with when I was a
teenager who worked on farms or ranches, ranches. In my case,
I'm very sympathetic. I understand why they come. But here's
the problem. Those kind of people who are good people
are not the only ones coming. Right. Let's be very clear,
(22:38):
even if if the numbers hold true, that five percent
of any group, whether it's native border or people who
show up illicitly across our border are criminals, right, which
I think the numbers actually higher in that case when
it comes to people who show up illicitly across our border,
our heart and criminals. Even that would mean that we
have imported, you know, hundreds of thousands of people into
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our country who are hard in criminals who should not
be here. So despite the fact that millions of them
might be nice people who are trying to work, and
not that even if they are nice people trying to work,
we have problems there too, right, Like the state of
Texas and it's public education system. It is the dartest
thing I've ever heard. I will sit with liberal friends,
(23:23):
some of whom are teachers, and they will talk about
how there's not enough money in the public school system.
They need more money in the public school system to
properly educate kids. And in the same breast they'll talk
about the fact that it's okay that hundreds of thousands
of students are showing up in the middle of the
school year who are non English speaking right into our
(23:44):
public school system. And it's like, well, you can't have both.
Do we have the resources to help these hundreds of
thousands of kids who are showing up in the middle
of the school year from across our border, or do
you not have enough money? Because if you do the
math and you're intellectually consistent, you're admitting that we are
taking away from the US taxpayer and the Texan taxpayer.
(24:05):
We are taking away from those kids' education to fund
the educations of hundreds of thousands of people from other places.
And that's that's you know, things get things get dicey,
very sympathetic. I understand why people come, but at the
same time, let's be very clear we have problem. That's
too many people. I mean, this is out of control.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
Speaking with Brandon Darby Cartel Chronicles, Brandon, you mentioned you
mentioned trendy Aragua. Obviously they're all in the news now,
even though I heard it from you first. But they're
not the only one who are the others?
Speaker 3 (24:41):
Oh well, there's a okay, So Venezuela the way that
Venezuela is kind of structured when you go. I hate
to get into the weeds with everybody when you go.
Javis took over and you had what they called the
peaceful revolution. Right Chaves took over where he was this
rabid leftist military guy Yugoshatas. What he did, what his
(25:07):
administration did was he basically took the dominant criminal groups,
because those were also the revolutionary groups, right, there's that
fine line between revolutionary and organized criminal. He took the
dominant criminal groups in every Venezuelan state and he basically
organized them and brought them into his administration to help
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him run the barrios in those states. So that is
how he kept order and enforced his will in these barrios,
which comprised millions of people in each Venezuelan state. That
is what he did. So each of those states, trendy
Arragua is just the dominant criminal group and Ragua, right,
(25:51):
but we have other Venezuelan states and those criminal groups
are coming to. On top of that, we're still having
MS thirteen go back and forth. Tons of what they
call street gangs who are coming into this country. We
have tons of them who are here. We have many
that we you know with MS thirteen. Remember it was
(26:12):
people who came here and then as we deported them,
they had become gang members here, and as we deported them,
that spread the gangs back to their native countries right
in Central America. So this is this illicit. You know,
if you want people to come here, and you want
everyone in the world to be able to come here,
then you need to campaign for laws that allow that
(26:33):
to happen legally and legitimately. But you can't just say,
you know, to hell with your laws, We're going to
find in runs around it and just let everybody show
up and stay. You can't do it. When you do
it that way, you end up with what we're seeing.
So tons of criminal groups are come in and it's
very hard to keep up with. It's difficult to keep
up with the sheer numbers of different gangs who have
(27:00):
who have arrived in our country because of an unsecured
and improperly secured border.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
Brandon, why aren't they at war yet? Or are they?
And I just don't see it with our home grown
criminal organizations be it. I don't care what level of
organized crime you want to go to, from the Italian
mafia to the freaging, you name it, the crips, I
don't care who it is. Why are they not warring
(27:28):
with each other because there's only so many drugs and
prostitutes to go around?
Speaker 3 (27:32):
Well, they actually are, so So what we're seeing is
what we like, we go to Chicago. This is something
I started covering and I think twenty ten or twenty eleven,
and what I was doing was I was just getting
on pacer, which is a site that you can download
court transcripts and court documents right back in the past.
And I would get there and I would I would
see some news release about gang members charged in Chicago
(27:55):
for murder, and then I would read through the transcripts
and all the court cons It will take me a
day or two, and usually fourteen or fifteen page fourteen
or fifteen or transcripts or indictments. There would be some
mentioned that they were acting at the the you know,
under the orders of somewhat a criminal group in Mexico,
(28:18):
and I'm like, how come that's not in the news, right?
So I started writing about these groups. So what's going
to happen is they're not going to take over and
become challengers to you know, various drug cartels from Mexico.
What they're going to do is they're going to become
allies and we're going to have what we already have.
We have some US street gangs who are working or
(28:39):
who are allied with Lossettas or CDN we have some
who are allied with the Golf Cartel. We have some
who are allied with various factions of Sinaloa. And what
we're going to see is Trained de Arragua ultimately start
to ally with wherever they are. So what you'll have
is you have some people in Trained de Arragua in
California who who are with, you know, the Chief Wana Cartel.
(29:01):
You have some who will align with, you know, various
Sinaloa groups. You'll have some in Texas who will align
with Zetto's and some who are aligned with whatever. And
even though they're they're the same gang, they're gonna ultimately,
you know, regionally operate on behalf of these Mexico based
transnitional criminal groups.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
He is Brandon Darby. Brandon, I hate to ask, because
I didn't ask you beforehand. Feel free to say no.
Do you think you could stay on? I just have
a couple other quick questions I wanted to ask you.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
I would love to.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
All right, we will be right back, Brandon Darby gonna
gonna dig into this stuff just a little bit more.
Hang on, love it. It is the Jesse Kelly Show
on a Wednesday, digging into all things cartel street gang
trend a a rag while with my friend Brandon Darby,
of course, of the cartel chronicles. If you're not reading
the stuff Darby does, you just don't know. You don't
(29:55):
know what's going on with the border and immigration and
stuff like that, Okay, Brandon. So I want to ask
about our own more traditional criminal organizations here and where
they fit into all this, and more specifically, I want
to ask about the Italian mafia. Where are they when
it comes to working with the cartels with street gangs.
(30:15):
I know they contract out with street gangs to do killings,
but I know there's also rivalries there, or is the
Italian mafia is so shattered it's just nothing, it's all
cartel stuff now.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
I think it's largely shattered. I think if we were
to go up north, obviously there's there's probably you know,
trash or refuse rackets and construction rackets and all kinds
of other things going on in New York City. And
but you look at a city like Philadelphia and they
just got decimated. Right. So, you know, Michael Francis, who
(30:48):
was a former boss in the you know, the Italian mob.
He Italian American Mob is a better accurate or more
accurate description. In Chicago, he talks about that, and they're
just they they decimated their way of life with you know,
with Rico statutes. They decimated their way of life. And
when people are facing life in prison or a nice
(31:10):
chrishy life on the Witness Protection program to tell on
some other people, they generally pick tell on other people
because they pick people, pick their wife and their kids
over you know, some chubby guy named Vito who kills people. Right,
They're always going to do that. And there's a couple
of exceptions. I think Michael Fancis's father didn't, but most
(31:30):
of them will turn and become States evidence and and
they've just the US authorities decimated the mom They're much
more formal, but in that same sense, US authorities have
decimated some Mexican cartels, right, So if we look at
that's especially the golf cartel there there are they powerful, yeah,
(31:51):
but really what they are is you have some factions
of the Golf cartel who work with the Sinaloa cartel.
You have some factions who work with with Loseette, us CDN,
you have some factions to work with Cartel Jalisco. And
even though these groups are at war with each other.
Sometimes different golf cartel groups are at war. And we've
talked about this before. Like for many years, US border security,
(32:13):
especially when it came to terrorism, really relied on this
notion that these cartels would not allow transnational terrorists, right
like international terrorists to cross our border because they realized
it would really shut down our border and ultimately hurt
their ability to make profits with drugs. But then as
the US government and the Mexican government started going after
(32:35):
the heads of these cartels, what they were left with
is a bunch of young guys who don't care about tomorrow,
don't care about long term profit sustainability within their drug trade,
who will just do whatever they can to make a
quip but today, and that that makes for a very
dangerous criminal organization. When they don't care about tomorrow, they
have no concern for it because they're young and they're
(32:56):
dumb in their own cocaine or whatever they're doing, it
makes very dangerous situation. So I think that's kind of
you know, the mob being more formal, I kind of
liken it back to wars in the past versus wars
now in the past. You know, if the leadership of
the nation wanted to surrender. Generally the nation surrendered. Nowadays,
if the leadership was to surrender, groups of people in
(33:19):
the country don't care. It decentralizes, It takes the you know,
Irish Republican army, the army model, and just they break
into splinter groups and still do attacks and terror attacks,
and it doesn't matter what the formal government does. Well.
With the Italian mob, it's been more like a formal government.
They've they've kind of taken a back seat to things
(33:39):
with these groups from south of our border. The more
you take out the leadership, the more fragmented these criminal
groups become. And they don't stop so like a hydra.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
So we should leave the leadership alone.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
No, no, I don't think we should leave the leadership alone.
I'm in favor of doubling down, tripling down, quadrupling down,
and just it's like you want to keep going, Let's
keep going. That's what I'm in favor of. I'm also
in favor of looking at the root causes. I don't
want to sound like Obama here, but looking at the
things that lead people to this. Right, Like, let's be
really clear when when we fuel transnational criminal organizations in
(34:20):
south of Texas when we have policies that allow them
to make hundreds of millions of dollars right and fuel
themselves these criminal groups by bringing migrants to our border
or a llegal aliens the what the hell you want to
call them to our border, and we're fueling the very
things that are causing people to flee in the first place, right,
(34:41):
causing the corruption in the first place. When we do that,
we are in fact exacerbating the problem when we allow Mexico,
when we try to treat Mexico, which is listed by
all world bodies as a failing nation, excuse me, a
fragile state. Not failing yet, it's one step above failing
(35:02):
or failed. It's a fragile state that has over half
of its territory under the control of transnational paramilitary criminal organizations.
A nation that when they want to do a federal
police action, they have to use their military because these
groups are so powerful with RPGs and every bit of
(35:23):
weaponry that the Mexican government has. When we're dealing with
that nation, if we continue to treat them like they are,
like their government is somehow equal to us, like we
deal with them like we're dealing with England, or like UK,
or like we're dealing with Canada, or like we're dealing
with Japan, and we treat them that way, we are,
(35:46):
in factoring a blind eye to them. So I'm in
favor of being very aggressive. I'm in favor of not
waiting for the approval of Mexico's drug cartel connected leadership
and just doing what we need to do to protect
our citizens in Mexicano. That's where I come from, So
I'm in a very different position. So no, I do
not think that we should stop getting the heads of
(36:09):
cartel's I do, however, think that we half measures are
why we where we are. If we left them alone,
we'd be better off than where we are. I think
we'd be the best off long term if we took
them out. But so to speak, you know, but the
half measures is where the trouble really comes in.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
Yeah, as is often the case, Brandon Darby, you are
the best, my brother, Thank you so much. Come back
join us soon. That was awesome. This has been a
podcast from Woor
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