July 1, 2025 • 51 mins
In this episode of Just Heal with Dr. Jay, Dr. Jay Barnett sits down with world champion boxer Alycia “Da Bomb” Baumgardner for a powerful conversation about discipline, faith, and emotional endurance. Alycia opens up about her journey—from her early beginnings to the mindset required to dominate in and out of the ring. They explore the mental side of the sport, the role of prayer and spirituality, and how community shapes resilience. The conversation also dives into grief, legacy, and the emotional freedom that comes with choosing the right people and staying grounded in purpose. Through victories, losses, and life beyond boxing, Alicia reflects on healing as a lifelong process rooted in faith, family, and self-awareness. Tune in and join the conversation in the socials below.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to Jess Hell with Doctor J, a production of
The Black Effect Podcast Network and iHeartRadio. Welcome to another
episode with just Here with Doctor J Burnett. And I
am thrilled and delighted. I'm humble, I'm all of the words.
I'm gonna save some of my words for the conversation
to have the bomb you know her as ab Miss
(00:23):
Alicia Gardner. Welcome to the community, Jess Healing and listen.
I'm excited about this opportunity because I feel like I've
been chosen to have this exclusive with her before the fight,
and I'm excited. Welcome to our community. We call this
the healing community, the healing community.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
I love that. Thank you for having me. That's another
day to heal, another day to talk about it.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Man. I love it. I love it. And what I
love about your energy is so infectious. When I met
you with Derreck Jays, I've been working with Derek for
a number of years with his foundation and we do
a lot of work with the boys in South Dallas,
and I just want to highlight the Derreck James Foundation
because they do amazing work in South Dallas with a
(01:11):
lot of the boys, and we do a lot of
work helping with social and emotional development and things like that.
And he because me and Derek talk often, and he
was like, yo, I got this fighter I need you
to meet and you know, he was working with Ryan
and I was like, all right, I'll come out. He's like, man,
I'm telling you, man, you got to meet him. Man
she she. I was like all right, And so I
get to meet you, and I'm just like, wow, you
(01:32):
shuk my hand and I kind of, you know, shook
my hand off a little bit, like okay, it's a
little firm Handshit, this is what to get rich. They
don't call you the ball for no reason. So how
did you get that name? The Ball?
Speaker 2 (01:46):
The bomb? It came from my last name, Bumgardner. This
is German. And I remember a funny story was on
the airplane and I'm telling my trainer. I'm like, you know,
I think I got the I got the name from
my ring from when I turned pro. I'm like the bomb.
I'm saying the bomb on the plane. I'm like he's
just looking at me. I'm like, I got you. But yeah,
(02:07):
it comes from my last name. And I think it's
just perfect because it's just it really ties into who
I am as a fighter, as a warrior, and just
like the true definition what bumgardener means in German. So
the bomb it was Wow.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
I love it. And listen, if you guys have not
watched her train and watch her a fight, she throws
nothing but balls. So you're in training, you're a couple
of weeks away from one of the biggest women events
in sports history, and we're going to get into a
(02:43):
lot of different topics today. But how are you feeling physically?
We'll go to the mental stuff later, but how you
feeling physically?
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Yeah, So physically I am feeling so strong and just
in shape, Like my body is just in this space
where it's just performance, and every day in the gym
it gets better and better, and I'm like, three weeks,
we're ready to be in there.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Yeah. How long was your camp?
Speaker 2 (03:10):
This was a seven week camp that I did this
go around again. You mentioned training with Derek James, so
me and him had to get accommodated with each other
just to see how training is and how we work
in the corner and in training, and it's been great.
So every day has been necessary to be here today,
to be in shape and to be ready.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Yeah, it kind of walked me through, like I know,
Ramayah kind of told me what your training schedule is
like and how you know it's six days a week.
What is your normal day like? What time are you
waking up? I know there's peers or resp it's in there.
So what does your normal day look like in training?
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Yeah, normal day looks like waking up at sometimes seven
thirty eight o'clock, depending on the work out we're doing.
Wake up. You know, I have breakfast. We train at
ten o'clock. I do my strength and conditioning from like
ten o'clock to like eleven thirty, go home, take a shower,
take a nap, eat something, rest, and then back in
(04:12):
the gitm at two o'clock. So they're gonna spar that day,
or we're gonna do some floorwork. If we're sparring, we're
doing ten rounds. I've been doing ten rounds the last
two weeks sparring. So we do that and then you know,
to like four o'clock, go home, take a shower, eat,
wrest a little bit. We may do some recovery on
later that day. That could be you know, crowd therapy, sage,
(04:37):
red light therapy, the sauna, and just giving that the
rest of the day of recovery day just to do
right back again next day.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Yeah, it'd be right back again. And you know, for
those who don't know much about the sport of boxing,
how much is it mentally resetting your mind to do
the same thing. You know, I play ball, and I
know sometimes mentally it can become very monotonous and very mundane.
(05:09):
But what is that process like for you mentally as
you are going through your process every day, especially for
seven weeks of intense training.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Yeah, mentally you have to restart every day. You know,
sometimes you can't take what you did that the one
day and bringing into the next. Ay, So I'm like
having to take each day for what it is in
those moments where I'm learning and growing through maybe some
of the mistakes I made and sparring, but I'm never
going to take that into the next day because now
(05:39):
it's a new day. Okay, Now we're back in the gym,
we're working on what we worked on, and now we're
progressing to something different on that level. So it's just
like resetting the mind and still telling myself, okay, we're
here for present, and you know, it's we practice in
the gym so we can have the fun come fight night,
(06:00):
you know. So we made the mistakes in the gym now,
so we can you know, not make them in the
ring when come to fight night. So it's just it's
a reset button sometimes and oftentimes that's that's necessary because
boxing is ninety percent mental for me at least.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Yeah, and knowing that it's ninety percent mental, what practices
do you practice? Like? Is there quiet times? Do you meditate,
do you take walks? You know, are you listening to
calming music? What is a practice like for you to
reset mentally?
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Yeah, there's a few. So one I journal. I love
to write. I've been journaling since the age of seven,
So journaling has allowed me to just write all my
thoughts out on paper. My mind is so clustered sometimes
because I'm thinking about everything scenarios that could be boxing,
that could be personal life. So I'm like writing these
things down. I'm speaking out loud. I'm talking to myself.
(06:57):
I know if people may think that's odd, but it's
the most realist thing you could ever do, because I'm
really talking to God out like, out loud, So just
hearing myself speak and just allowing that to come through
my ears out like it just allows me to like
see things and hear things I might not if I'm
not speaking in out loud. Going for a walk is oh,
(07:18):
it's good. I love to be outside. Outdoors is like
my thing.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Yea.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
I have a dog, so being with her that has
allowed me to just kind of reset, help that mental
space and then sometimes even working out again. Yeah, you know,
it's just it's a program. It's what I've been prograbing
to do since the age of five. So just being
if that's walking, if that's riding a bike, rollerblading, I
love the roller blade.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
Okay, so you all outdoors? What is your birthday? May
twenty four, May twenty fourth. Man, you was right on
the cuss of being one of the greatest signs of tourists.
And the reason because because because you know, tourists for
us like we love outdoors. Yeah, you know, and so
I'm not big in astrology for those you go, No,
I'm not big in a strategy, but I like being outdoors.
(08:05):
I grew up in the South and for me, being
outside really helps my mental like just being you know,
along with nature and all of those things that's creation.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Yeah, it's just like you know, I just pay attention
to smallest things, you know, like the trees and the flowers,
and just even people walking and being active. I think
people should have an active lifestyle if that's walky, you
know what I'm saying, and that just helps the body.
I'm all for health and wellness to make sure that
ultimately your body and your mind is being fed somehow.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
You talk about your mind and body being fed, and
obviously you know you have, you have five belts, and
you've been successful in your career. But for those of
you that are just getting to know Alicia and they're
going to be following your journey on July ten, I
want to know what got you into boxing? What encouraged
(09:08):
or motivated the eight year old Alicia to start fighting. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Well, I have to start off by saying I'm from
a small country town in Ohio, Fremont, and just being
in a town like Framont, you have to be able
to dream to know that there's more outside of the
small town that you grew up in that I grew
up in. And you know, I was so thankful to
(09:34):
have a community gym that was free, which happened to
be boxing. That mind trainer opened its doors to the
community and that's where I started boxing. And my dad
one day came home he was like, hey, you know
wrestling is over with because I had Russell first, and
he was like, do you want to box? I'm like, yeah, sure.
(09:56):
It was just like the competitiveness that I had in wrestling,
wrestling boys and like having to be like this only
girl to be in this space where it was only boys.
And so that built a confidence to say, yeah, I'll box,
not really knowing what I'm getting myself into. I'll do
it because I know what work ethic looks like and
(10:16):
what it is to be out there. And so when
I started boxing at eight, and I would just remember
walking to the gym again, same space, all boys, nothing
different though, the same mentality. You'll be like, Okay, I'm here,
you tell me what to do, I'm going to do it.
We had the same workout seventy push ups, seventy squad
(10:37):
seventy burpies, like every day, this is everyday workout. And
I was just happy to be in a sport where
it challenged me, not knowing where it would take me,
because as an adult now I needed that push enough,
that challenge to say, doesn't matter your gender, if you
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have the mentality, if you have a confidence, if you
have the discipline, the dedication, the sacrifice at a young age,
something's going to come from that. And not really knowing
that that was instilling in me, but also like what
my dad was like showing me in that space because
my dad made me box, like you're going to do
(11:18):
this because they've seen something that I didn't. You know,
they knew there was a calling already. They saw that
I didn't, So it was just a moment of time
to take advantage of and I was just good at
doing sports, but not knowing that it was going to
be wrapped up in a different way now. Is like
(11:38):
I said, it's the mentality that matters.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Yeah. Man, I'm loving this because I want to go
back to something you said growing up in Freedmont and
you said, you have to dream beyond this small place,
and my mind goes into the places that people are
unable to dream because they're living in the nightmare and
(12:02):
they're unable to dream because someone has robbed them of
their ability to dream. Because when you've had negative experience
or you've had trauma, it can have an impact on
you psychologically and emotionally to where you no longer think
about dreaming. You're just thinking about surviving. And my mind
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is going to the place that eight year old Alicia
some way figure out to dream beyond not just this town,
but even the limits of the town, because I feel
like you have the city limits, and then you have
the limits that has been placed on the town. Because
if you've had people that grew up there and no
(12:44):
one became and no one did anything else beyond high school,
those are what I would call assume constraints, or are
constructs or limitations that have been placed that no one
talks about. So to dream in such a way to
see where you are? Now, what was that like for
(13:07):
you to dream? Where there other stories that you heard,
were there examples? How did you dream in such a
place that was small? Because sometimes small places have a
difficult time, I mean small places can have a big
impact on our belief system. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
I think it was part of the just a small
town of saying, hey, I can make it out out
of this small town. I can actually dream. And I remember,
I don't know what age I was, it's probably like seven.
I told myself, I don't want to live an average life.
Like I'm speaking out loud, I remember this. I'm like, Lord,
I don't want to live an average life. I want
to be somebody one day. And just knowing like the
(13:50):
story of what my parents told me them going to
church and getting prophesied and saying, you know, your daughter,
one of your child's gonna be famous. I don't like
the word famous, but they already knew something that I didn't.
So it was just like something that my my parents instilled.
(14:11):
It was just a good gravitational, Like no, my dad
will lecture me for hours, like two hours, like what
do you want to do when you grow up? You
gotta work hard at life. You can't just sit here.
You can't just you see what I'm doing. I'm going
to work every day. I don't want that for you.
And so like it was just the lectures. It was
the small town. It was hey, I can if they
(14:32):
said I can do that, I can do that. Like
what does that actually look like? What does it look
like to actually tap in and be like I want
to be something one day? You know, it doesn't when
people are like, follow your dreams, it's so cliche to me,
But I'm actually doing I just had that conversation with myself,
like it's actually happening and I'm living in it, but
I'm still dreaming through it. So it's just like it's
(14:52):
one of those things that's you don't realize until after. Yeah,
talk about it, but I just knew that there was
so much more impact that I was able to do
at a young age, immensely that I'm like telling myself
this and I want to say, that's the Lord just
speaking to me at that age to say there's something bigger.
(15:14):
I have a bigger assignment and this is just this
is not it, but it's the start of it.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
It's the beginning. Yeah, the beginning. Yeah, man, I listen
when I tell you you're blessing me in this interview,
because at seven, I was at church with my mother
and it was a revival service and I'm a little
I can see myself right now walking up to the
prayer line and the lady says, oh, you want prayer
(15:41):
a little man, and I'm like yeah, you know, and
the lady lays hands on me and she falls out.
She lays hands on me and she falls out, and
so I'm like standing there as a kid, like what's
going on? So they picked her up and she goes,
whose kid is this? And my mom said, that's my son,
(16:03):
and she said, this young man has a calling on
his life. She said, this is a powerful young boy.
So she called my mom up there and she said,
you're going to have to walk with him because he
has an anointing on his life. Again, I don't know
what that means, as I'm sure you didn't, like, we
don't know what that means. But as you were talking,
(16:24):
I went back to seven year old Jade because it's
so important and for those that are watching, it's so
important that when something is on a child, it's so
important for a parent to push that and cultivate it.
How important was it to you that your parents poured
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into the word that you received from that.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
Prophetic Listen amen to that similar story. I go to
church to revival and I remember the pastor preaching and
you know, I've always seen people go back and Holy
Spirit all the time, but this time he had everyone
come up and he's just going down the line touching
people and I'm like, oh, he's not going to touch it.
I'm not going to go back. I'm challenging it. Right,
(17:09):
I'm like seven too, and I instantly went back and
I remember, I'll never forget that experience. So it's the
same experience I had, so just experiencing that at a
young age, knowing that, Okay, this is a different type
of power, This is an anointing that nothing other than
God can give you. You can't get away from it,
(17:34):
you can't run from it. And so again, like you said,
my parents recognizing that and pouring into that was so
needed and necessary because I am here today because of that,
you know, just growing up in church and just really
it's not even so much of the religious aspect, it's
just the the teaching, you know, the understanding of who
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you are. And because I was allowed to see that
at a young age, on what God was showing me
and what my parents were telling me, I was able
to hold on to that as an adult and be like, ooh,
I'm not by myself.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Oh man, that's so it's not just me. What moments
that uh, that that challenge, that time when you were
holding on that happened because oftentimes, when you're chosen, no
one talks about the process of becoming.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Yeah, you know, multiple times I would say there was
a time where I was just down bad, and everything
just seemed to crumble down in a way where I'm like,
I don't I want to give up. I want to
give up, Like it just seems easier to give up.
You know. I remember having money in my bank account.
(18:48):
I'm like, that doesn't matter. I'm not happy. I'm on
the forod crying, crying out to the Lord to help me,
you know, to pull me from this dark space. And
only he could pull me from that dark space. So
going back to saying, hey, thank you for my parents
for instilling that in me, because I know I'm never
alone and if you call on him, he will be there.
(19:09):
But you have to understand that you're never alone, and
oftentimes that enemy will distort your mind if you like,
oh you are alone. You ain't got this. They not
calling you, they're not checking on you. You ain't got no money,
You down to your last dollar. What are you going
to do? My faith is all I got at the
end of the day, It's all I got. I I
have nothing. I have faith and I have the work
(19:31):
ethic to make something happen. And God will make something
happen with.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
Me, sure will. Yeah. When man, this is like I'm
trying not to go into my teaching and preaching and
just prophetic mode. I'm try so hard because I can
feel the power of God on this episode. And here's why.
There are some battles that you can't fight physically, and
(20:00):
I don't think we talk enough about the battles that
you have to fight here, and those battles no one
sees because there isn't a ring. There's no there, James,
there is no one in the corner. There's no one
telling you move left, move right, turn you know what
(20:22):
I mean, Watch out for the jab. You know that
there's no one preparing you for man or woman, and
particularly for the women, because all of July we're interviewing women.
What would you say to the woman who is being
challenged mentally with battles that are not being physically fault
(20:46):
but mentally. Because I can tell that you have a
strong faith and walk with God, what would you say
to that woman?
Speaker 2 (20:54):
I would say to that woman, knowing that what I
know now, it's just a moment in time that you
have to see it through. You have to see it
through because if you don't see it through, you'll never
know how strong you really are. What it is to
persevere through the struggle. Embrace the struggle, and embrace those
(21:16):
challenges that the Lord has given you, because there's nothing
better than wisdom at thirty one for me to speak about,
because only the only God can give me that because
of what I went through to understand what that looked
like to help somebody else. So it's just like you
have to see it through and you have to say,
you know, oftentimes we can be like, Lord, give me
(21:38):
out of this, but just pray for strength to get
me through this, because when you have the strength to
get through it, you'll understand it. You'll enjoy it at
the end in a way that you never thought you
would because the wisdom that you were able to gain
from it, and it just builds you. It builds character,
and nothing's better than character building.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
Yes, man, you teach these folks, and I don't think
that's just for the women, but I think that's for
the men because we're in a climate where there's such anxiety,
that's such unrest, they're such angst amongst people. I hear
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stories from so many people who are going through things,
and what I'm seeing is people are unwilling to see
it through because to go through it means I have
to endure. It's the pain. And I tell people often
the greatest thing that you can ask God for it's
not just patience, but the ability to endure. Because we
(22:43):
often think patient is about waiting. It's not. It's really enduring.
When you look at the context of the meaning, it's enduring.
And I love that you said see it through because
as a boxer you have to every round throat you
do for you when you are in the ring. How
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much of your life experiences go in the ring with
you to help you navigate each round?
Speaker 2 (23:13):
I would say all of it. I would say all
of it. I feel like that's why I feel like
God chose boxing for me, because it's so mental, and
it's also mean understanding that I'm healing in a way
through my trauma and issues. Through the ring. It's like
my outlets, like my sanctuary when I'm able to fight,
So like I'm taking all these things that I might
(23:35):
have buried deep inside years ago or months ago, and
now you have to deal with it face on because
boxing is here, and if this ain't right, then the
fight's gonna be off. So take that and use that
and let that be your drive on why you push
through and seen it through to get you to this
moment and not allow it to harden your heart. You know,
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I've been through many hard things in life and people
who've done me wrong here and there, but it never
changed my heart and never made my heart cold as
easy as it could be. And I still use those
those times to let that fight for me, but not
in an anger way, born in a I got through this,
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I forgave you. I still love you, I still pray
for you, but I'm able to fight through it and
show it in such a warrior way in the rings.
That's the way I get. That's the satisfaction I get
from it.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
What what was your difficult sort of challenge when you
were in a ring and you couldn't figure opponent it
and you couldn't figure out your opponent? What was your
mental process? Knowing that you just said that, you take
so many things into the ring that you heal it.
Do you envision certain parts of your childhood or your
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life to come up if you're trying to navigate through
something and when you ca I don't like man, how
do I get through this round? How do I get
through this fight? Does that happen? I know that happened
to me when I play.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Yeah, sometimes it does. But I can't let it like
overtake because it can get loud. So I have to
like tell myself like, okay, scratch that, go back to
your jab, like kind of like reset the mind to
not overthink it, because it's easy to overthink. But when
you when you've done it for so long, you can
you can take control of it. And that's another important part,
(25:28):
is taking control of your mind. And in that space
of just two minutes goes like this, So yeah, it's
every second matters in there. So you just wanting to
make sure that you're at a space where it's not overthinking,
but you're doing You're doing it, You're doing what you're
supposed to do.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Do it now. You you had this career, whens what
was it like to lose?
Speaker 2 (25:59):
Losing? So that was the challenge part. I remember having
a fight. I was in Kentucky and it was a
great fight. It was it was a competitive fight, and
I lost and I remember instantly in that moment like
they rose her hand and I'm like damn, I said,
well I'm not gonna give up. I've been in it
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too long. I've been in. I've put too many too
much time to give up. I'm like, it is what
it is, and I just charged to the game and
I went back to the gym and I trained. And
with that moment, I knew that my circle was so
messed up. Like outside, if that's not together, you are
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not going to be one hundred percent that ran And
that's exactly the situation I found myself in. My corner
was messed up. I was going through things outside. I
should never even took the fight and all that. It
took me three years to get back to where I
wanted to be, you know, quote unquote wanted to be.
Oh yeah, three years.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
It took from one loss over from one loss. Now,
I want to pause for a second, and I want
to look right in this camera. If you don't hear
anything else, she said, I want you to hear that
your environment determines the level that you succeed on, and
(27:22):
it also determines how you respond in certain seasons where
there are losses. I often see people, uh, and this
is something I had to learn early on. If you
don't choose well, you won't succeed well. You have to
choose well because the most dangerous thing is to have
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people that are with you, but are not with you.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
That's the fact. And Boston will show you that every time.
Boson's going to show you that every time. And it's
so important because I knew in that moment you lost
this fight because of your environment. You lost this fight
because the people you had around you. You lost this
fight because the people you thought were for you weren't
for you. They were just taglongs. And it's up to
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you to decide in this moment what you're gonna do.
You know, I'm a very loyal person. I want to
do right by people. But at the same time, you
have to be also mindful and have wisdom that person
is not for me. They can support from the sidelines,
but they're not supposed to be with you side by side.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
Oh you know, that's a bar. That's a bar, and
that's a bar because if there My mentor told me something.
He said, Jay, there's certain people that you have to
talk to through the fence, and there are certain people
(28:50):
that you talk to in your yard. But he said,
you have to be careful who gets on the porch. Hmm,
because if you missstake somebody that you should be talking
to through the fence and bring them on the porch.
They get inside, and he said, the trauma needs a host.
(29:15):
So when you was talking about attachments, these people need hosts.
And so what they do is they look for vacancies.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
You know, it's crazy too, unknowingly unknowingly, yes, they don't
even know.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
They don't know. Yeah, they don't even know it. Now,
I want to ask you this, how important is your
prayer life and what you do?
Speaker 2 (29:40):
It's so important. It has to be important. It has
to be number one, honestly, because the prayer life is
going to show you everything you need to need to know.
And if I'm honest, sometimes I do fall off. Sometimes
I just pray in my mind. But I know how
important it is. This is to pray out loud because baby,
the dems get to trembling. But it's so important because
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that's that's your way to the Lord of hearing you.
And that's why I believe me. Journaling is one way
that I pray and speak out loud, you know, having
conversations with the Lord. But it's so important because without
a prayer, I ain't got no backbone, for real, I
ain't nothing to fall back on. Because we ain't got
(30:27):
no back when you ain't got no foundation. There's stability, Yes,
you're looking for stability and other things. Some people can
give you that man, give me part of it, but
they can't give it to you the way the Lord
is going to give it to you. How he talks
about being building a house on rock or saying rock.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
Yeah, I know that's right. We need the rock of salvation. Man,
that that Peter rock Man. Listen this, this conversation has
been been so fruitful and and been so just enlightened.
And what I love about this is the world is
getting to see a be the woman of the daughter
(31:11):
of God and just the vessel. Because as we were
talking before you got started, I think people will see
that WBC belt, which is a beautiful belt, and she
got hands from here until you know, next week in
July tenth, she's gonna be throwing them hands. But what
I love about this is that people are really to
(31:33):
get really getting to see your spirit. And I wish
that we could see more of people's spirit rather than
their personas and rather than what they do, and take
a peek into who are they? You know, who are they?
How do your parents like to see all that is
(31:53):
kind of coming to fruition. What is that like for
them and how are they on your journey?
Speaker 2 (32:01):
Yeah, I would say my parents enjoy it so very much.
I think as a parent, when you've seen your own
child grow from a baby to an adult, you know
there's nothing but just thankfulness. You know that, you know
you want all your kids to make it in whatever
passion lay that is. And you know my parents, I
(32:24):
just know they're happy. You know, I lost my dad
a year ago, so and I just know that his
spirit is living. And like I said, everything that he's
instilled in me and my other sisters and my brother,
you know, there's a testament to that. There's a testament
to the story be like I'm gone, but she's gonna
(32:46):
do what she's going to do because I instilled that.
So my parents are happy. I know my mom's like
super excited to just to see it all on fold.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
Yeah. And I have to ask you this because this
is the the therapy is in me. How has grieving
been for you?
Speaker 2 (33:04):
Mmm, don't make me cry. It's okay, thank you, I'm fine.
Grieving's been. Grieving's been one of those things. It's up
and down. I would say, oh, I would say for
this camp. I you know, I put on a strong face.
I show up every day to do my job, just
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like my dad would want me to do, and that
gets me through my day. But you know, I also
have my moments like this. I haven't cried in a while,
you know what I mean. So that's a good thing.
It's healthy. It's never it's never healing is never linear.
It's never like, oh, one day you're gonna be good.
You don't know. It can just hit you, you know
(33:46):
what I'm saying, Like it did now. But it's been
it's been a roller coaster. But it's been overall good
because I know the space that I'm in and what
I've been able to do to help myself heal. But
I know there's just more internal things, you know what
I'm saying, Because I may just be putting it off
(34:07):
because I have my boxing to help me with that,
to cope with that. But I am very realistic on
the situation that my dad's not coming back. For what
he's left has been gifts for me to hold on to.
If that was words of encouragement, if that was you know,
go to the gym and give your awe I can
(34:29):
hold on to that and be okay and know that
I can get through get through my day. But I'm
not going to allow it to detour me because I know,
I mean, losing appearance is one of the hardest things
you can do. But it's one of those things I'm
going healing through it.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
Yeah, you know, thank you or all this moment of
all there is a thing that oftentimes we overlook about
(35:16):
the grieving process because it's such a process that there
is no formula. Yeah, they would give you the five
steps to grieving, the five steps up grieving, but there
is no level of understanding because I often say grief
(35:41):
is a price we pay for love. And as I'm
listening to you, and as I'm thinking about what your
father left in you and the legacy that carries because
now what he left in you, it's also in your DNA,
(36:05):
you know, it's also it's also now a part of Alicia. Yeah,
because you carry that now in your body, you carry
that in your work, you carry it in your language,
you carry that in your in the very essence of
(36:25):
who you are. And I'm proud of you because these
moments like we don't get often as athletes because I
gotta put on the helmet, I got to put the
gloves back on. I gotta get on the field. I
got to get in the ring. I got to get
back on the court. And no one really cares if
(36:48):
we agree, because I want to see you fight, right,
I want to see how well you want to perform.
So I'm proud of you for allowing yourself even to
grace because I grieve and my father's alive and I'm
(37:17):
and I'm saying to myself, like, man, you know, what
he put in me wasn't much, because I have to
find it at different places and I'm often finding myself
in corners where he's alive, and I'm like, man, why
can't you just pick up the phone and just check
on me and just be like, yo, you know what
(37:38):
I mean? And so what I love is that you
got to experience your dad put something in you.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
He did, he did, and I'm so thankful for that.
And it's important to know that my dad wasn't my
biological dad. This is a man who stepped up to
the plate to be my father and to be my
dad at a baby. So this man has ensulled so
(38:06):
much in me. And that's why God is just who
God is. He's orchestrated, he's so intentional. You know that
even though he wasn't my biological father, he was my
dad who showed up every day. Who's who showed up
just And now I have that to hold on to,
(38:26):
and I know what a man's man looks like. I
know what it is to be a man who steps
up to the plate. These might not be my biological kids,
but these are my kids, and he did that for
the four of us. Wow, So he I'm thankful. You know,
(38:47):
he's the one who started me in boxing. He's the
one who lectured me in those in those times that
I didn't think I needed, but I did. And you know,
when it comes to boxing, I fight for him because
that's what he wanted. And I know that I am
able part of you was able to just show him
that he got to see me become a world champion
(39:09):
and just be there in his last dage. So it
was good.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
That's so beautiful that that's so beautiful that he got
to see that. And it's so beautiful. You know, we
live in this climate where I hear men say, oh,
don't marry a woman with kids, don't step there and
all of this. Listen, man, y'all, y'all have to just
stop because that there are men and there are God
(39:37):
or being men like your father that may not be biological,
but they fathered you because they saw something not just
in your mother, but also saw something in you, the children.
And I just think that is so beautiful because look
what he left behind. And I often tell me and
(40:00):
legacy is not about who you leave behind. It's about
what you leave behind and who you put it into.
You know, because you can leave money to your own
children and they squander it, right, But what principles, what
life lessons and values and and and different you know,
(40:25):
tenants that a son or daughter can say, you're not here,
but you're here because of what you gave me. And
I love that for you. I love that for you.
So in closing a be I always ask every guest
this question, and and it's a question about healing. And
(40:49):
I know what healing means to me. I share this
in my episode. Healing from me is just discovering freedom,
emotional freedom. That's what I look for every day, to
be free, not for my emotion, but to have the
freedom through them. Yeah, So what is healing for you
when you think about healing.
Speaker 2 (41:08):
Healing for me is the recipe of life. I would say,
you know, we're never going to go through life without
struggle or trials, but when you can heal through those things,
you see the joy on the other side, and you
don't know how much that can help somebody else. I remember,
I'm sure everybody remembers their first heartbreak. Man, that took
(41:32):
so much out of I said, tang lower life.
Speaker 1 (41:35):
I'm talking, how were you.
Speaker 2 (41:37):
I was twenty, it was my high school sweetheart. I'm like, oh, yeah,
this is it. This is the one man my heart
was broken. But like through all of that, you know,
I got to learn something what that healing looked like.
And as a thirty one year old now like okay,
I needed that, but I know that I could use
(41:58):
that now to help somebody. Was like, Hey, it's not
the end of the world. I promise you, there's a
lot more people out there. I promise you you don't
have to settle. I promise there's better men, you know.
And I'm happy that I can give that because that's
what life's about, is giving and receiving and just sharing
that wisdom and that the love that people all need
(42:22):
you know. Like you said, like the emotional part, I
feel like if I could tell anybody to men as well,
it's okay to feel it's okay to understand that you're
doing the best that you can each and every day.
I know that we have this this expectation for men
to just be a superhero every day. Listen, we all
(42:43):
are superheroes in our own way. But baby, you can
take that cape off when you go home. You can
kick your feet up. You can know that you did
your job as a man, as a provider, as a father,
and give yourself credit. And I know that the world
says otherwise, but maybe if you understand just who you
are and what God has called you to be, you'll
(43:04):
stop trying to compete with the next man. You'll compete
for God's love and his approval on who you are
each and every day. And maybe we can have some
better people and you can share that with the rest
of them.
Speaker 1 (43:18):
That's one of the clips. CJ. If somebody told me
this is my podcast, they was like, stop talking to
your crew. I'm gonna talk for my folk because this
is our thing over here. You just spoke a word,
because let me tell you something. Some of you, brothers,
the cape is choking you to death. Ab Alicia, Alicia
(43:40):
Debam just said, take off the cape, baby, make it off.
And if you don't, she's gonna make you take it
off by putting these hands on you. Listen. I am
so encouraged because and this work that I do, it's lonely.
(44:03):
Because I look around. I'm not a football player anymore.
I don't wear a helmet. There's nothing shielding me, nothing
but the grace of God and his angels. And when
you just said, every day you're doing the best that
you can, because Ab, every day I'll open my eye,
(44:24):
that's not a day I had to receive, Doctor j
can you help us on my way here? I opened
up my DM and a lady dimly and she said
I was molested, and she said by my stepfather. Can
you please hold something where I can get healed? And
(44:49):
when you just said what you said about taking off
the cake. I have to remind myself daily that I'm
just a vesser. I'm not the Messiah. I'm not I'm
not Joshua Well, not kla Though I have some of
their attributes, I believe that I am a conduit. I
(45:09):
bring healing. I believe that I'm a river, not a reservoir,
because things flow through me. But man, I can't take
that phone and sometimes it's a wait because I want
to respond, I want to hear resources, I want to
make the phone call, but sometimes it's just heavy. So
you help me today just by reminding me, and I
(45:32):
know to take off the cake. But there's some time
I'm just like, man, I need to put this cape on. Yeah,
and not because I need to be validated indicate, but
because I feel like, man, I can help somebody else.
Speaker 2 (45:44):
Yeah. No, And that's real. And again it's the expectations
that we hold for ourselves because of also the performance
that we've done as athletes. You know, I've I had
to learn that sometimes I was performing for people for
the the approval, because that's how you're going to recognize
me because of my performance. And I'm like, oh, let
(46:06):
me take a step back. That's not what it is.
That's what they're saying. But it's just important, like you said,
just to know that you're showing up the best way
you can each and every day. When you put the
work in, you can go to bed at night and
give things to the Lord and pray for the next
day to come and release that. Sometimes you just have
(46:27):
to release it when you know, you get a lot
of DMS and stuff is released to the Lord. Pray
over and release it because it happen.
Speaker 1 (46:35):
But yeah, well, I got to do a lot of
praying because my deal because people be like I know them,
wouldn't be on DM. I'm like, man, these folks being
asking for sessions, they're asking for resources. They in a crisis.
It ain't nothing like what y'all be thinking. Man, these
folks is like doctors, say I need some help. If
I'll get no help, I'm done. So it's it's a
(46:56):
lot of praying and I thank God. Listen for my circle.
My mother. My mom has a couple of friends. They
pray every morning at three am for me. At three am,
she'll call me and we're calling your name, our doctor.
We was calling you out this morning. I needed because
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this work is as fulfilling as it is, it's complicated
because healing is not linear and everyone won't get their
healing at the same time. They won't get at the
same place, and then everybody won't get ill. And I've
(47:43):
had to make peace yeah with that, yes, so, but listen, man,
I don't want to hold you. I want to encourage
those that are watching. Listen. This episode drops the second
Tuesday of June lie leading up to the biggest women's
(48:04):
boxing event in history, and it is featuring av the Bomb.
Alicia Bomb Gardner is going to be boxing. She's going
to be taking off somebody's head. I don't know the
young lady, but I'm gonna be praying for you because
let me tell you something. I saw her sparring and
i saw her hitting them past and I'm a grown
(48:26):
man and I'm like, please don't hit me like that.
So but I wish you much much success and blessings
on your upcoming fire and that you go in there
and do what you always do, and that's compete to
the highest and the best of your ability.
Speaker 2 (48:42):
Yes, listen, I'm so excited. July eleventh.
Speaker 1 (48:46):
Oh, July eleven, Yeah, July eleven.
Speaker 2 (48:47):
Oh, the honest love on Netflix. And just one more thing,
I want people to know. I'm gonna send her baby,
I said every day, and I'm not perfect, and I
think sometimes people will have to stop looking on the outside.
There's so much trauma that I'm still learning to get
(49:09):
through and to scramble through. And every day I fall by,
I get back up because there's no there's no let up.
I will never give up. There's there's I can't. God
doesn't give me the option to. I swear like there's
no option. There's no option.
Speaker 1 (49:27):
Now, I tell you I want to let go. Every
day I want to let go.
Speaker 2 (49:32):
There's no options. I'm like, yo, you don't have to.
You don't have to chalk it up, cry about it,
talk about it, but get back up and do it.
And you might not be doing it the way they
say you need to do it, but you're doing it.
You're doing something. So just know that, like every day,
I'm an unperfect human and I'm okay with that. I
(49:52):
can I can go to see and still try my
best each and every day.
Speaker 1 (49:56):
Yes, I love it again. Scratch not ten July eleven
on Netflix. I know y'all got Netflix, and I know
they've changed, uh some of their settings, and so you
can't use your mama and them Netflix, but get somewhere
where you can watch ab go to work and for
her to bring home another belt and for her to
(50:17):
continue doing her thing, and we speak blessings over this
fight that she going there man and do her thing,
and I'm excited and listen. Remember, healing is a journey
and wholeness is the destination. Until next time. Subscribe cool here,
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Speaker 2 (50:43):
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Speaker 1 (50:45):
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Welcome to Jess Hell with Doctor J, a production of
The Black Effect Podcast Network and iHeartRadio. Welcome to another
episode with just Here with Doctor J Burnett. And I
am thrilled and delighted. I'm humble, I'm all of the words.
I'm gonna save some of my words for the conversation
to have the bomb you know her as ab Miss
(00:23):
Alicia Gardner. Welcome to the community, Jess Healing and listen.
I'm excited about this opportunity because I feel like I've
been chosen to have this exclusive with her before the fight,
and I'm excited. Welcome to our community. We call this
the healing community, the healing community.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
I love that. Thank you for having me. That's another
day to heal, another day to talk about it.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Man. I love it. I love it. And what I
love about your energy is so infectious. When I met
you with Derreck Jays, I've been working with Derek for
a number of years with his foundation and we do
a lot of work with the boys in South Dallas,
and I just want to highlight the Derreck James Foundation
because they do amazing work in South Dallas with a
(01:11):
lot of the boys, and we do a lot of
work helping with social and emotional development and things like that.
And he because me and Derek talk often, and he
was like, yo, I got this fighter I need you
to meet and you know, he was working with Ryan
and I was like, all right, I'll come out. He's like, man,
I'm telling you, man, you got to meet him. Man
she she. I was like all right, And so I
get to meet you, and I'm just like, wow, you
(01:32):
shuk my hand and I kind of, you know, shook
my hand off a little bit, like okay, it's a
little firm Handshit, this is what to get rich. They
don't call you the ball for no reason. So how
did you get that name? The Ball?
Speaker 2 (01:46):
The bomb? It came from my last name, Bumgardner. This
is German. And I remember a funny story was on
the airplane and I'm telling my trainer. I'm like, you know,
I think I got the I got the name from
my ring from when I turned pro. I'm like the bomb.
I'm saying the bomb on the plane. I'm like he's
just looking at me. I'm like, I got you. But yeah,
(02:07):
it comes from my last name. And I think it's
just perfect because it's just it really ties into who
I am as a fighter, as a warrior, and just
like the true definition what bumgardener means in German. So
the bomb it was Wow.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
I love it. And listen, if you guys have not
watched her train and watch her a fight, she throws
nothing but balls. So you're in training, you're a couple
of weeks away from one of the biggest women events
in sports history, and we're going to get into a
(02:43):
lot of different topics today. But how are you feeling physically?
We'll go to the mental stuff later, but how you
feeling physically?
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Yeah, So physically I am feeling so strong and just
in shape, Like my body is just in this space
where it's just performance, and every day in the gym
it gets better and better, and I'm like, three weeks,
we're ready to be in there.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Yeah. How long was your camp?
Speaker 2 (03:10):
This was a seven week camp that I did this
go around again. You mentioned training with Derek James, so
me and him had to get accommodated with each other
just to see how training is and how we work
in the corner and in training, and it's been great.
So every day has been necessary to be here today,
to be in shape and to be ready.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Yeah, it kind of walked me through, like I know,
Ramayah kind of told me what your training schedule is
like and how you know it's six days a week.
What is your normal day like? What time are you
waking up? I know there's peers or resp it's in there.
So what does your normal day look like in training?
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Yeah, normal day looks like waking up at sometimes seven
thirty eight o'clock, depending on the work out we're doing.
Wake up. You know, I have breakfast. We train at
ten o'clock. I do my strength and conditioning from like
ten o'clock to like eleven thirty, go home, take a shower,
take a nap, eat something, rest, and then back in
(04:12):
the gitm at two o'clock. So they're gonna spar that day,
or we're gonna do some floorwork. If we're sparring, we're
doing ten rounds. I've been doing ten rounds the last
two weeks sparring. So we do that and then you know,
to like four o'clock, go home, take a shower, eat,
wrest a little bit. We may do some recovery on
later that day. That could be you know, crowd therapy, sage,
(04:37):
red light therapy, the sauna, and just giving that the
rest of the day of recovery day just to do
right back again next day.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Yeah, it'd be right back again. And you know, for
those who don't know much about the sport of boxing,
how much is it mentally resetting your mind to do
the same thing. You know, I play ball, and I
know sometimes mentally it can become very monotonous and very mundane.
(05:09):
But what is that process like for you mentally as
you are going through your process every day, especially for
seven weeks of intense training.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Yeah, mentally you have to restart every day. You know,
sometimes you can't take what you did that the one
day and bringing into the next. Ay, So I'm like
having to take each day for what it is in
those moments where I'm learning and growing through maybe some
of the mistakes I made and sparring, but I'm never
going to take that into the next day because now
(05:39):
it's a new day. Okay, Now we're back in the gym,
we're working on what we worked on, and now we're
progressing to something different on that level. So it's just
like resetting the mind and still telling myself, okay, we're
here for present, and you know, it's we practice in
the gym so we can have the fun come fight night,
(06:00):
you know. So we made the mistakes in the gym now,
so we can you know, not make them in the
ring when come to fight night. So it's just it's
a reset button sometimes and oftentimes that's that's necessary because
boxing is ninety percent mental for me at least.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Yeah, and knowing that it's ninety percent mental, what practices
do you practice? Like? Is there quiet times? Do you meditate,
do you take walks? You know, are you listening to
calming music? What is a practice like for you to
reset mentally?
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Yeah, there's a few. So one I journal. I love
to write. I've been journaling since the age of seven,
So journaling has allowed me to just write all my
thoughts out on paper. My mind is so clustered sometimes
because I'm thinking about everything scenarios that could be boxing,
that could be personal life. So I'm like writing these
things down. I'm speaking out loud. I'm talking to myself.
(06:57):
I know if people may think that's odd, but it's
the most realist thing you could ever do, because I'm
really talking to God out like, out loud, So just
hearing myself speak and just allowing that to come through
my ears out like it just allows me to like
see things and hear things I might not if I'm
not speaking in out loud. Going for a walk is oh,
(07:18):
it's good. I love to be outside. Outdoors is like
my thing.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Yea.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
I have a dog, so being with her that has
allowed me to just kind of reset, help that mental
space and then sometimes even working out again. Yeah, you know,
it's just it's a program. It's what I've been prograbing
to do since the age of five. So just being
if that's walking, if that's riding a bike, rollerblading, I
love the roller blade.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
Okay, so you all outdoors? What is your birthday? May
twenty four, May twenty fourth. Man, you was right on
the cuss of being one of the greatest signs of tourists.
And the reason because because because you know, tourists for
us like we love outdoors. Yeah, you know, and so
I'm not big in astrology for those you go, No,
I'm not big in a strategy, but I like being outdoors.
(08:05):
I grew up in the South and for me, being
outside really helps my mental like just being you know,
along with nature and all of those things that's creation.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Yeah, it's just like you know, I just pay attention
to smallest things, you know, like the trees and the flowers,
and just even people walking and being active. I think
people should have an active lifestyle if that's walky, you
know what I'm saying, and that just helps the body.
I'm all for health and wellness to make sure that
ultimately your body and your mind is being fed somehow.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
You talk about your mind and body being fed, and
obviously you know you have, you have five belts, and
you've been successful in your career. But for those of
you that are just getting to know Alicia and they're
going to be following your journey on July ten, I
want to know what got you into boxing? What encouraged
(09:08):
or motivated the eight year old Alicia to start fighting. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Well, I have to start off by saying I'm from
a small country town in Ohio, Fremont, and just being
in a town like Framont, you have to be able
to dream to know that there's more outside of the
small town that you grew up in that I grew
up in. And you know, I was so thankful to
(09:34):
have a community gym that was free, which happened to
be boxing. That mind trainer opened its doors to the
community and that's where I started boxing. And my dad
one day came home he was like, hey, you know
wrestling is over with because I had Russell first, and
he was like, do you want to box? I'm like, yeah, sure.
(09:56):
It was just like the competitiveness that I had in wrestling,
wrestling boys and like having to be like this only
girl to be in this space where it was only boys.
And so that built a confidence to say, yeah, I'll box,
not really knowing what I'm getting myself into. I'll do
it because I know what work ethic looks like and
(10:16):
what it is to be out there. And so when
I started boxing at eight, and I would just remember
walking to the gym again, same space, all boys, nothing
different though, the same mentality. You'll be like, Okay, I'm here,
you tell me what to do, I'm going to do it.
We had the same workout seventy push ups, seventy squad
(10:37):
seventy burpies, like every day, this is everyday workout. And
I was just happy to be in a sport where
it challenged me, not knowing where it would take me,
because as an adult now I needed that push enough,
that challenge to say, doesn't matter your gender, if you
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have the mentality, if you have a confidence, if you
have the discipline, the dedication, the sacrifice at a young age,
something's going to come from that. And not really knowing
that that was instilling in me, but also like what
my dad was like showing me in that space because
my dad made me box, like you're going to do
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this because they've seen something that I didn't. You know,
they knew there was a calling already. They saw that
I didn't, So it was just a moment of time
to take advantage of and I was just good at
doing sports, but not knowing that it was going to
be wrapped up in a different way now. Is like
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I said, it's the mentality that matters.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Yeah. Man, I'm loving this because I want to go
back to something you said growing up in Freedmont and
you said, you have to dream beyond this small place,
and my mind goes into the places that people are
unable to dream because they're living in the nightmare and
(12:02):
they're unable to dream because someone has robbed them of
their ability to dream. Because when you've had negative experience
or you've had trauma, it can have an impact on
you psychologically and emotionally to where you no longer think
about dreaming. You're just thinking about surviving. And my mind
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is going to the place that eight year old Alicia
some way figure out to dream beyond not just this town,
but even the limits of the town, because I feel
like you have the city limits, and then you have
the limits that has been placed on the town. Because
if you've had people that grew up there and no
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one became and no one did anything else beyond high school,
those are what I would call assume constraints, or are
constructs or limitations that have been placed that no one
talks about. So to dream in such a way to
see where you are? Now, what was that like for
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you to dream? Where there other stories that you heard,
were there examples? How did you dream in such a
place that was small? Because sometimes small places have a
difficult time, I mean small places can have a big
impact on our belief system. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
I think it was part of the just a small
town of saying, hey, I can make it out out
of this small town. I can actually dream. And I remember,
I don't know what age I was, it's probably like seven.
I told myself, I don't want to live an average life.
Like I'm speaking out loud, I remember this. I'm like, Lord,
I don't want to live an average life. I want
to be somebody one day. And just knowing like the
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story of what my parents told me them going to
church and getting prophesied and saying, you know, your daughter,
one of your child's gonna be famous. I don't like
the word famous, but they already knew something that I didn't.
So it was just like something that my my parents instilled.
(14:11):
It was just a good gravitational, Like no, my dad
will lecture me for hours, like two hours, like what
do you want to do when you grow up? You
gotta work hard at life. You can't just sit here.
You can't just you see what I'm doing. I'm going
to work every day. I don't want that for you.
And so like it was just the lectures. It was
the small town. It was hey, I can if they
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said I can do that, I can do that. Like
what does that actually look like? What does it look
like to actually tap in and be like I want
to be something one day? You know, it doesn't when
people are like, follow your dreams, it's so cliche to me,
But I'm actually doing I just had that conversation with myself,
like it's actually happening and I'm living in it, but
I'm still dreaming through it. So it's just like it's
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one of those things that's you don't realize until after. Yeah,
talk about it, but I just knew that there was
so much more impact that I was able to do
at a young age, immensely that I'm like telling myself
this and I want to say, that's the Lord just
speaking to me at that age to say there's something bigger.
(15:14):
I have a bigger assignment and this is just this
is not it, but it's the start of it.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
It's the beginning. Yeah, the beginning. Yeah, man, I listen
when I tell you you're blessing me in this interview,
because at seven, I was at church with my mother
and it was a revival service and I'm a little
I can see myself right now walking up to the
prayer line and the lady says, oh, you want prayer
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a little man, and I'm like yeah, you know, and
the lady lays hands on me and she falls out.
She lays hands on me and she falls out, and
so I'm like standing there as a kid, like what's
going on? So they picked her up and she goes,
whose kid is this? And my mom said, that's my son,
(16:03):
and she said, this young man has a calling on
his life. She said, this is a powerful young boy.
So she called my mom up there and she said,
you're going to have to walk with him because he
has an anointing on his life. Again, I don't know
what that means, as I'm sure you didn't, like, we
don't know what that means. But as you were talking,
(16:24):
I went back to seven year old Jade because it's
so important and for those that are watching, it's so
important that when something is on a child, it's so
important for a parent to push that and cultivate it.
How important was it to you that your parents poured
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into the word that you received from that.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
Prophetic Listen amen to that similar story. I go to
church to revival and I remember the pastor preaching and
you know, I've always seen people go back and Holy
Spirit all the time, but this time he had everyone
come up and he's just going down the line touching
people and I'm like, oh, he's not going to touch it.
I'm not going to go back. I'm challenging it. Right,
(17:09):
I'm like seven too, and I instantly went back and
I remember, I'll never forget that experience. So it's the
same experience I had, so just experiencing that at a
young age, knowing that, Okay, this is a different type
of power, This is an anointing that nothing other than
God can give you. You can't get away from it,
(17:34):
you can't run from it. And so again, like you said,
my parents recognizing that and pouring into that was so
needed and necessary because I am here today because of that,
you know, just growing up in church and just really
it's not even so much of the religious aspect, it's
just the the teaching, you know, the understanding of who
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you are. And because I was allowed to see that
at a young age, on what God was showing me
and what my parents were telling me, I was able
to hold on to that as an adult and be like, ooh,
I'm not by myself.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Oh man, that's so it's not just me. What moments
that uh, that that challenge, that time when you were
holding on that happened because oftentimes, when you're chosen, no
one talks about the process of becoming.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Yeah, you know, multiple times I would say there was
a time where I was just down bad, and everything
just seemed to crumble down in a way where I'm like,
I don't I want to give up. I want to
give up, Like it just seems easier to give up.
You know. I remember having money in my bank account.
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I'm like, that doesn't matter. I'm not happy. I'm on
the forod crying, crying out to the Lord to help me,
you know, to pull me from this dark space. And
only he could pull me from that dark space. So
going back to saying, hey, thank you for my parents
for instilling that in me, because I know I'm never
alone and if you call on him, he will be there.
(19:09):
But you have to understand that you're never alone, and
oftentimes that enemy will distort your mind if you like,
oh you are alone. You ain't got this. They not
calling you, they're not checking on you. You ain't got no money,
You down to your last dollar. What are you going
to do? My faith is all I got at the
end of the day, It's all I got. I I
have nothing. I have faith and I have the work
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ethic to make something happen. And God will make something
happen with.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
Me, sure will. Yeah. When man, this is like I'm
trying not to go into my teaching and preaching and
just prophetic mode. I'm try so hard because I can
feel the power of God on this episode. And here's why.
There are some battles that you can't fight physically, and
(20:00):
I don't think we talk enough about the battles that
you have to fight here, and those battles no one
sees because there isn't a ring. There's no there, James,
there is no one in the corner. There's no one
telling you move left, move right, turn you know what
(20:22):
I mean, Watch out for the jab. You know that
there's no one preparing you for man or woman, and
particularly for the women, because all of July we're interviewing women.
What would you say to the woman who is being
challenged mentally with battles that are not being physically fault
(20:46):
but mentally. Because I can tell that you have a
strong faith and walk with God, what would you say
to that woman?
Speaker 2 (20:54):
I would say to that woman, knowing that what I
know now, it's just a moment in time that you
have to see it through. You have to see it
through because if you don't see it through, you'll never
know how strong you really are. What it is to
persevere through the struggle. Embrace the struggle, and embrace those
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challenges that the Lord has given you, because there's nothing
better than wisdom at thirty one for me to speak about,
because only the only God can give me that because
of what I went through to understand what that looked
like to help somebody else. So it's just like you
have to see it through and you have to say,
you know, oftentimes we can be like, Lord, give me
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out of this, but just pray for strength to get
me through this, because when you have the strength to
get through it, you'll understand it. You'll enjoy it at
the end in a way that you never thought you
would because the wisdom that you were able to gain
from it, and it just builds you. It builds character,
and nothing's better than character building.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
Yes, man, you teach these folks, and I don't think
that's just for the women, but I think that's for
the men because we're in a climate where there's such anxiety,
that's such unrest, they're such angst amongst people. I hear
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stories from so many people who are going through things,
and what I'm seeing is people are unwilling to see
it through because to go through it means I have
to endure. It's the pain. And I tell people often
the greatest thing that you can ask God for it's
not just patience, but the ability to endure. Because we
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often think patient is about waiting. It's not. It's really enduring.
When you look at the context of the meaning, it's enduring.
And I love that you said see it through because
as a boxer you have to every round throat you
do for you when you are in the ring. How
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much of your life experiences go in the ring with
you to help you navigate each round?
Speaker 2 (23:13):
I would say all of it. I would say all
of it. I feel like that's why I feel like
God chose boxing for me, because it's so mental, and
it's also mean understanding that I'm healing in a way
through my trauma and issues. Through the ring. It's like
my outlets, like my sanctuary when I'm able to fight,
So like I'm taking all these things that I might
(23:35):
have buried deep inside years ago or months ago, and
now you have to deal with it face on because
boxing is here, and if this ain't right, then the
fight's gonna be off. So take that and use that
and let that be your drive on why you push
through and seen it through to get you to this
moment and not allow it to harden your heart. You know,
(23:59):
I've been through many hard things in life and people
who've done me wrong here and there, but it never
changed my heart and never made my heart cold as
easy as it could be. And I still use those
those times to let that fight for me, but not
in an anger way, born in a I got through this,
(24:21):
I forgave you. I still love you, I still pray
for you, but I'm able to fight through it and
show it in such a warrior way in the rings.
That's the way I get. That's the satisfaction I get
from it.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
What what was your difficult sort of challenge when you
were in a ring and you couldn't figure opponent it
and you couldn't figure out your opponent? What was your
mental process? Knowing that you just said that, you take
so many things into the ring that you heal it.
Do you envision certain parts of your childhood or your
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life to come up if you're trying to navigate through
something and when you ca I don't like man, how
do I get through this round? How do I get
through this fight? Does that happen? I know that happened
to me when I play.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Yeah, sometimes it does. But I can't let it like
overtake because it can get loud. So I have to
like tell myself like, okay, scratch that, go back to
your jab, like kind of like reset the mind to
not overthink it, because it's easy to overthink. But when
you when you've done it for so long, you can
you can take control of it. And that's another important part,
(25:28):
is taking control of your mind. And in that space
of just two minutes goes like this, So yeah, it's
every second matters in there. So you just wanting to
make sure that you're at a space where it's not overthinking,
but you're doing You're doing it, You're doing what you're
supposed to do.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
Do it now. You you had this career, whens what
was it like to lose?
Speaker 2 (25:59):
Losing? So that was the challenge part. I remember having
a fight. I was in Kentucky and it was a
great fight. It was it was a competitive fight, and
I lost and I remember instantly in that moment like
they rose her hand and I'm like damn, I said,
well I'm not gonna give up. I've been in it
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too long. I've been in. I've put too many too
much time to give up. I'm like, it is what
it is, and I just charged to the game and
I went back to the gym and I trained. And
with that moment, I knew that my circle was so
messed up. Like outside, if that's not together, you are
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not going to be one hundred percent that ran And
that's exactly the situation I found myself in. My corner
was messed up. I was going through things outside. I
should never even took the fight and all that. It
took me three years to get back to where I
wanted to be, you know, quote unquote wanted to be.
Oh yeah, three years.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
It took from one loss over from one loss. Now,
I want to pause for a second, and I want
to look right in this camera. If you don't hear
anything else, she said, I want you to hear that
your environment determines the level that you succeed on, and
(27:22):
it also determines how you respond in certain seasons where
there are losses. I often see people, uh, and this
is something I had to learn early on. If you
don't choose well, you won't succeed well. You have to
choose well because the most dangerous thing is to have
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people that are with you, but are not with you.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
That's the fact. And Boston will show you that every time.
Boson's going to show you that every time. And it's
so important because I knew in that moment you lost
this fight because of your environment. You lost this fight
because the people you had around you. You lost this
fight because the people you thought were for you weren't
for you. They were just taglongs. And it's up to
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you to decide in this moment what you're gonna do.
You know, I'm a very loyal person. I want to
do right by people. But at the same time, you
have to be also mindful and have wisdom that person
is not for me. They can support from the sidelines,
but they're not supposed to be with you side by side.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
Oh you know, that's a bar. That's a bar, and
that's a bar because if there My mentor told me something.
He said, Jay, there's certain people that you have to
talk to through the fence, and there are certain people
(28:50):
that you talk to in your yard. But he said,
you have to be careful who gets on the porch. Hmm,
because if you missstake somebody that you should be talking
to through the fence and bring them on the porch.
They get inside, and he said, the trauma needs a host.
(29:15):
So when you was talking about attachments, these people need hosts.
And so what they do is they look for vacancies.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
You know, it's crazy too, unknowingly unknowingly, yes, they don't
even know.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
They don't know. Yeah, they don't even know it. Now,
I want to ask you this, how important is your
prayer life and what you do?
Speaker 2 (29:40):
It's so important. It has to be important. It has
to be number one, honestly, because the prayer life is
going to show you everything you need to need to know.
And if I'm honest, sometimes I do fall off. Sometimes
I just pray in my mind. But I know how
important it is. This is to pray out loud because baby,
the dems get to trembling. But it's so important because
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that's that's your way to the Lord of hearing you.
And that's why I believe me. Journaling is one way
that I pray and speak out loud, you know, having
conversations with the Lord. But it's so important because without
a prayer, I ain't got no backbone, for real, I
ain't nothing to fall back on. Because we ain't got
(30:27):
no back when you ain't got no foundation. There's stability, Yes,
you're looking for stability and other things. Some people can
give you that man, give me part of it, but
they can't give it to you the way the Lord
is going to give it to you. How he talks
about being building a house on rock or saying rock.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
Yeah, I know that's right. We need the rock of salvation. Man,
that that Peter rock Man. Listen this, this conversation has
been been so fruitful and and been so just enlightened.
And what I love about this is the world is
getting to see a be the woman of the daughter
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of God and just the vessel. Because as we were
talking before you got started, I think people will see
that WBC belt, which is a beautiful belt, and she
got hands from here until you know, next week in
July tenth, she's gonna be throwing them hands. But what
I love about this is that people are really to
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get really getting to see your spirit. And I wish
that we could see more of people's spirit rather than
their personas and rather than what they do, and take
a peek into who are they? You know, who are they?
How do your parents like to see all that is
(31:53):
kind of coming to fruition. What is that like for
them and how are they on your journey?
Speaker 2 (32:01):
Yeah, I would say my parents enjoy it so very much.
I think as a parent, when you've seen your own
child grow from a baby to an adult, you know
there's nothing but just thankfulness. You know that, you know
you want all your kids to make it in whatever
passion lay that is. And you know my parents, I
(32:24):
just know they're happy. You know, I lost my dad
a year ago, so and I just know that his
spirit is living. And like I said, everything that he's
instilled in me and my other sisters and my brother,
you know, there's a testament to that. There's a testament
to the story be like I'm gone, but she's gonna
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do what she's going to do because I instilled that.
So my parents are happy. I know my mom's like
super excited to just to see it all on fold.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
Yeah. And I have to ask you this because this
is the the therapy is in me. How has grieving
been for you?
Speaker 2 (33:04):
Mmm, don't make me cry. It's okay, thank you, I'm fine.
Grieving's been. Grieving's been one of those things. It's up
and down. I would say, oh, I would say for
this camp. I you know, I put on a strong face.
I show up every day to do my job, just
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like my dad would want me to do, and that
gets me through my day. But you know, I also
have my moments like this. I haven't cried in a while,
you know what I mean. So that's a good thing.
It's healthy. It's never it's never healing is never linear.
It's never like, oh, one day you're gonna be good.
You don't know. It can just hit you, you know
(33:46):
what I'm saying, Like it did now. But it's been
it's been a roller coaster. But it's been overall good
because I know the space that I'm in and what
I've been able to do to help myself heal. But
I know there's just more internal things, you know what
I'm saying, Because I may just be putting it off
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because I have my boxing to help me with that,
to cope with that. But I am very realistic on
the situation that my dad's not coming back. For what
he's left has been gifts for me to hold on to.
If that was words of encouragement, if that was you know,
go to the gym and give your awe I can
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hold on to that and be okay and know that
I can get through get through my day. But I'm
not going to allow it to detour me because I know,
I mean, losing appearance is one of the hardest things
you can do. But it's one of those things I'm
going healing through it.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
Yeah, you know, thank you or all this moment of
all there is a thing that oftentimes we overlook about
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the grieving process because it's such a process that there
is no formula. Yeah, they would give you the five
steps to grieving, the five steps up grieving, but there
is no level of understanding because I often say grief
(35:41):
is a price we pay for love. And as I'm
listening to you, and as I'm thinking about what your
father left in you and the legacy that carries because
now what he left in you, it's also in your DNA,
(36:05):
you know, it's also it's also now a part of Alicia. Yeah,
because you carry that now in your body, you carry
that in your work, you carry it in your language,
you carry that in your in the very essence of
(36:25):
who you are. And I'm proud of you because these
moments like we don't get often as athletes because I
gotta put on the helmet, I got to put the
gloves back on. I gotta get on the field. I
got to get in the ring. I got to get
back on the court. And no one really cares if
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we agree, because I want to see you fight, right,
I want to see how well you want to perform.
So I'm proud of you for allowing yourself even to
grace because I grieve and my father's alive and I'm
(37:17):
and I'm saying to myself, like, man, you know, what
he put in me wasn't much, because I have to
find it at different places and I'm often finding myself
in corners where he's alive, and I'm like, man, why
can't you just pick up the phone and just check
on me and just be like, yo, you know what
(37:38):
I mean? And so what I love is that you
got to experience your dad put something in you.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
He did, he did, and I'm so thankful for that.
And it's important to know that my dad wasn't my
biological dad. This is a man who stepped up to
the plate to be my father and to be my
dad at a baby. So this man has ensulled so
(38:06):
much in me. And that's why God is just who
God is. He's orchestrated, he's so intentional. You know that
even though he wasn't my biological father, he was my
dad who showed up every day. Who's who showed up
just And now I have that to hold on to,
(38:26):
and I know what a man's man looks like. I
know what it is to be a man who steps
up to the plate. These might not be my biological kids,
but these are my kids, and he did that for
the four of us. Wow, So he I'm thankful. You know,
(38:47):
he's the one who started me in boxing. He's the
one who lectured me in those in those times that
I didn't think I needed, but I did. And you know,
when it comes to boxing, I fight for him because
that's what he wanted. And I know that I am
able part of you was able to just show him
that he got to see me become a world champion
(39:09):
and just be there in his last dage. So it
was good.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
That's so beautiful that that's so beautiful that he got
to see that. And it's so beautiful. You know, we
live in this climate where I hear men say, oh,
don't marry a woman with kids, don't step there and
all of this. Listen, man, y'all, y'all have to just
stop because that there are men and there are God
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or being men like your father that may not be biological,
but they fathered you because they saw something not just
in your mother, but also saw something in you, the children.
And I just think that is so beautiful because look
what he left behind. And I often tell me and
(40:00):
legacy is not about who you leave behind. It's about
what you leave behind and who you put it into.
You know, because you can leave money to your own
children and they squander it, right, But what principles, what
life lessons and values and and and different you know,
(40:25):
tenants that a son or daughter can say, you're not here,
but you're here because of what you gave me. And
I love that for you. I love that for you.
So in closing a be I always ask every guest
this question, and and it's a question about healing. And
(40:49):
I know what healing means to me. I share this
in my episode. Healing from me is just discovering freedom,
emotional freedom. That's what I look for every day, to
be free, not for my emotion, but to have the
freedom through them. Yeah, So what is healing for you
when you think about healing.
Speaker 2 (41:08):
Healing for me is the recipe of life. I would say,
you know, we're never going to go through life without
struggle or trials, but when you can heal through those things,
you see the joy on the other side, and you
don't know how much that can help somebody else. I remember,
I'm sure everybody remembers their first heartbreak. Man, that took
(41:32):
so much out of I said, tang lower life.
Speaker 1 (41:35):
I'm talking, how were you.
Speaker 2 (41:37):
I was twenty, it was my high school sweetheart. I'm like, oh, yeah,
this is it. This is the one man my heart
was broken. But like through all of that, you know,
I got to learn something what that healing looked like.
And as a thirty one year old now like okay,
I needed that, but I know that I could use
(41:58):
that now to help somebody. Was like, Hey, it's not
the end of the world. I promise you, there's a
lot more people out there. I promise you you don't
have to settle. I promise there's better men, you know.
And I'm happy that I can give that because that's
what life's about, is giving and receiving and just sharing
that wisdom and that the love that people all need
(42:22):
you know. Like you said, like the emotional part, I
feel like if I could tell anybody to men as well,
it's okay to feel it's okay to understand that you're
doing the best that you can each and every day.
I know that we have this this expectation for men
to just be a superhero every day. Listen, we all
(42:43):
are superheroes in our own way. But baby, you can
take that cape off when you go home. You can
kick your feet up. You can know that you did
your job as a man, as a provider, as a father,
and give yourself credit. And I know that the world
says otherwise, but maybe if you understand just who you
are and what God has called you to be, you'll
(43:04):
stop trying to compete with the next man. You'll compete
for God's love and his approval on who you are
each and every day. And maybe we can have some
better people and you can share that with the rest
of them.
Speaker 1 (43:18):
That's one of the clips. CJ. If somebody told me
this is my podcast, they was like, stop talking to
your crew. I'm gonna talk for my folk because this
is our thing over here. You just spoke a word,
because let me tell you something. Some of you, brothers,
the cape is choking you to death. Ab Alicia, Alicia
(43:40):
Debam just said, take off the cape, baby, make it off.
And if you don't, she's gonna make you take it
off by putting these hands on you. Listen. I am
so encouraged because and this work that I do, it's lonely.
(44:03):
Because I look around. I'm not a football player anymore.
I don't wear a helmet. There's nothing shielding me, nothing
but the grace of God and his angels. And when
you just said, every day you're doing the best that
you can, because Ab, every day I'll open my eye,
(44:24):
that's not a day I had to receive, Doctor j
can you help us on my way here? I opened
up my DM and a lady dimly and she said
I was molested, and she said by my stepfather. Can
you please hold something where I can get healed? And
(44:49):
when you just said what you said about taking off
the cake. I have to remind myself daily that I'm
just a vesser. I'm not the Messiah. I'm not I'm
not Joshua Well, not kla Though I have some of
their attributes, I believe that I am a conduit. I
(45:09):
bring healing. I believe that I'm a river, not a reservoir,
because things flow through me. But man, I can't take
that phone and sometimes it's a wait because I want
to respond, I want to hear resources, I want to
make the phone call, but sometimes it's just heavy. So
you help me today just by reminding me, and I
(45:32):
know to take off the cake. But there's some time
I'm just like, man, I need to put this cape on. Yeah,
and not because I need to be validated indicate, but
because I feel like, man, I can help somebody else.
Speaker 2 (45:44):
Yeah. No, And that's real. And again it's the expectations
that we hold for ourselves because of also the performance
that we've done as athletes. You know, I've I had
to learn that sometimes I was performing for people for
the the approval, because that's how you're going to recognize
me because of my performance. And I'm like, oh, let
(46:06):
me take a step back. That's not what it is.
That's what they're saying. But it's just important, like you said,
just to know that you're showing up the best way
you can each and every day. When you put the
work in, you can go to bed at night and
give things to the Lord and pray for the next
day to come and release that. Sometimes you just have
(46:27):
to release it when you know, you get a lot
of DMS and stuff is released to the Lord. Pray
over and release it because it happen.
Speaker 1 (46:35):
But yeah, well, I got to do a lot of
praying because my deal because people be like I know them,
wouldn't be on DM. I'm like, man, these folks being
asking for sessions, they're asking for resources. They in a crisis.
It ain't nothing like what y'all be thinking. Man, these
folks is like doctors, say I need some help. If
I'll get no help, I'm done. So it's it's a
(46:56):
lot of praying and I thank God. Listen for my circle.
My mother. My mom has a couple of friends. They
pray every morning at three am for me. At three am,
she'll call me and we're calling your name, our doctor.
We was calling you out this morning. I needed because
(47:20):
this work is as fulfilling as it is, it's complicated
because healing is not linear and everyone won't get their
healing at the same time. They won't get at the
same place, and then everybody won't get ill. And I've
(47:43):
had to make peace yeah with that, yes, so, but listen, man,
I don't want to hold you. I want to encourage
those that are watching. Listen. This episode drops the second
Tuesday of June lie leading up to the biggest women's
(48:04):
boxing event in history, and it is featuring av the Bomb.
Alicia Bomb Gardner is going to be boxing. She's going
to be taking off somebody's head. I don't know the
young lady, but I'm gonna be praying for you because
let me tell you something. I saw her sparring and
i saw her hitting them past and I'm a grown
(48:26):
man and I'm like, please don't hit me like that.
So but I wish you much much success and blessings
on your upcoming fire and that you go in there
and do what you always do, and that's compete to
the highest and the best of your ability.
Speaker 2 (48:42):
Yes, listen, I'm so excited. July eleventh.
Speaker 1 (48:46):
Oh, July eleven, Yeah, July eleven.
Speaker 2 (48:47):
Oh, the honest love on Netflix. And just one more thing,
I want people to know. I'm gonna send her baby,
I said every day, and I'm not perfect, and I
think sometimes people will have to stop looking on the outside.
There's so much trauma that I'm still learning to get
(49:09):
through and to scramble through. And every day I fall by,
I get back up because there's no there's no let up.
I will never give up. There's there's I can't. God
doesn't give me the option to. I swear like there's
no option. There's no option.
Speaker 1 (49:27):
Now, I tell you I want to let go. Every
day I want to let go.
Speaker 2 (49:32):
There's no options. I'm like, yo, you don't have to.
You don't have to chalk it up, cry about it,
talk about it, but get back up and do it.
And you might not be doing it the way they
say you need to do it, but you're doing it.
You're doing something. So just know that, like every day,
I'm an unperfect human and I'm okay with that. I
(49:52):
can I can go to see and still try my
best each and every day.
Speaker 1 (49:56):
Yes, I love it again. Scratch not ten July eleven
on Netflix. I know y'all got Netflix, and I know
they've changed, uh some of their settings, and so you
can't use your mama and them Netflix, but get somewhere
where you can watch ab go to work and for
her to bring home another belt and for her to
(50:17):
continue doing her thing, and we speak blessings over this
fight that she going there man and do her thing,
and I'm excited and listen. Remember, healing is a journey
and wholeness is the destination. Until next time. Subscribe cool here,
(50:42):
then it's wild.
Speaker 2 (50:43):
I'm editing you got you?
Speaker 1 (50:45):
Sorry? Yeah? I know you editing. I know that, So listen,
don't just pull up and listen. Join our healing community
by subscribing to Just Heal with that Doctor Jay the
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expanding your mental capacity by listening to the stories and
the lives of others as they share their journey and
also share the like with you. And once again, you
can listen audibly on the Black Effect Podcasts and also
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podcast and until next time, healing is a journey and
(51:31):
wholeness is the destination. Just Here with Doctor j a
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