July 8, 2025 • 59 mins
In this enlightening episode of Just Heal with Dr. Jay, special guest Dr. Jill Waggoner joins the show to share her perspective on wellness, the power of nutrition, and the essential link between diet and mental health. She reflects on her own health journey and the lessons learned about food quality, hormone balance, and the importance of taking action—not just gathering information. The discussion explores how community support plays a critical role in healing and why accessible, proactive healthcare is especially vital for African-American men. With practical insights and heartfelt encouragement, Dr. Waggoner underscores the value of informed choices and a holistic approach to creating a longer, healthier life.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to jess Hell with Doctor j a production of
the Black Effect Podcast Network and iHeartRadio. Welcome back to
another episode with just here Doctor Jay. I am excited
about the next guests because she saved my life literally,
and I am excited to have her to sit down
and to talk with me because we have been on
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several panels and they only let her cook for about
five or ten minutes. So I'm letting her cook today,
so I'm gonna let her talk as long as she
won't and let her do what she does best and
that it's educating us on wellness, fitness, and our health.
So welcome to the healing community, my PCP, and for
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the black men out there, go see the doctor. Please
do It'll save your life. So welcome, without further ado,
Welcome doctor Jill Wagoner. How are you, doctor Jill?
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Great? How are you?
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Sir? Listen? I'm phenomenal if she ill sat up in
my chill because I'm like, I'm an interview with doctor Jill,
so let me sit up because I know you are
getting ready to give us a wealth of information and
I am just elated to have this conversation with you.
So I'm doing good.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Thank you. Thank you. You said I could talk as
long as I wanted to.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
I'm a hundred I'm just kidding. No, no, no, talk
as long because we often get to talk on panels
and you know, we got to share space and all
those things, and people are always like, we want more
from doctor Jill. And I was telling a few people
that had reached out to me after Good Soil and
they was like, how can I get a touch with
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doctor I said, well, I'm giving it through a podcast
with it, and they was just like, I cannot wait
for this episode because they want more. And so that's
what I'm excited about. How are you feeling?
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Just I'm good. I'm really excited about the work you're
doing with this podcast. It just you know, healing is essential,
absolutely critical, and we got so much stuff to heal from. Yes,
so this is good.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Yes, And I want to and I've already said it
to you. I would say it to you again. Thank you,
thank you, thank you, thank you for being honest with me.
And what I love about how you show up in
your practice and how you show up as a physician
is you show up with truth and you deliver it
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in a way that calls somebody to the car because
we need to be called to the carpet sometimes. Yeah,
and then you know, you give us the next steps
to say, hey, you got to make these changes, you know.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
But you told me as I was telling you what
was going on with you, and it was you know,
giving you this is what I recommend. You said to me,
If you tell me what to do, I'll do it.
Because I follow instructions, I'll be the best patient. That's
what's critical because you tell I tell people a lot
of people what's going on, and they choose not to listen,
or they choose to pretend they don't understand or get
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the connection. But what you said is I am here
for you to help me, tell me what to do.
And I got it and you went to work. And
that's what's necessary because it's not hard. It's really not hard.
That's the thing that is so amazing to me that
when you really start to tell people what it takes
to be well to heal, the process may be difficult
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because of what you have to go through to get there,
but the actual steps are not are Wow, it's not.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
And when you talk about the actual steps, doctor Jill,
do you find that when you start to lay the
steps out. That is what really stops people from moving forward.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Yeah, because so you know, we give people information all
the time. That's where we are. They get it everywhere
and they have all the information. It's not the information
that is at issue. It is the implum that is
that issue. So you got it, but if you don't
do anything with it, what doesn't matter. You can take
all the classes, you can go to, all the therapy
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you can do all that. You can get all the trainers,
you can hire a chef, you can do all the stuff.
But if you do not do it, people say all
the time that I join the health club, I have
a membership. It's like, you know, that don't count, right,
It's just not better that they are taking your money out.
The issue is are you going and when you get there,
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are you running around? I see people all the time,
they just in there wandering around. What are you doing? Girl?
Get on something?
Speaker 1 (04:39):
You know.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
They don't have a plan. They're just in there looking around.
So you must have a plan. You must be ready
to implement, and if you are not, you want to
be successful. Period.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
See what I tell y'all, I'm telling you I'm letting
her cook today because this is a vineyard of wi
and information and just I mean astounding, astounding wealth of
just knowledge that you have, Doctor Jill. Now, when you
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think about where we are today, and I'm going to
talk about us as African Americas, black people, when you
look at us when it comes old. Before I go there,
I'm sitting in a restaurant yesterday, I do a private
test doctor Nicole, who is a vegan chef, and she
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did this private tasting for me, and I'm trying all
these different vegan options really really good. And the restaurant
that we were at, Doctor Jill Asian lady who is
the chef and the owner. So she comes in and
she's a sushi spot at night from like five to nine,
and she says, she says, you know, whenever you go
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to eat sushi, you want to make sure that the
fish is fresh, and to make sure that when the
fish is on ice for twenty four hours, watch this.
She said, what happens when the fish is caught, if
it's not on ice for twenty four hours, it goes
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into a fight or flight. And when it's in a
fight or flight, there are chemicals released and the fish.
You know, my mind went already and I said, are
you serious? She says yes, She said, when you're eating
food that is highly traumatized, This was true. What is
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it doing to our bodies? See?
Speaker 2 (06:40):
And we don't think about stuff like that. It's like
when you eat chicken and they've all been crowded up
together and the eggs are broken because they can't even
walk around. What has happened to that animal before you
consume it. They have chemicals too. Now it is in
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all of that flesh that you are conserdnered. See. We
don't think about so we don't think about food period.
We don't think about where it came from. We don't
think about what's in it. We don't think about what
was sprayed on it. We don't think about who cooked it.
We don't think about whether they wash their hands. We
don't think about any of that. And it is the
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most important thing that you do, the most important thing
that you do, because you have to fuel yourself. I
don't care what you are doing. What you consume is critical.
You got a nice call. You can't put everything in
that car. You are careful about where you go? Who
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would not? Don't don't go over there and put my
gas in. I mean, it's just that simple. We understand
that about machines and all other things, and it sounds
almost ridiculously simple, but it's the truth. What is that done?
What is that you are feeding your kids? You don't
understand why he's trying to flip off the rooftop and
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he's eating that yellow something with something hot on top
of it and some chemical mixture that is hitting all
of the pleasure centers in his brain. And he is
addicted from two to fifty. What in the world? And
we just never think about, what are you doing when
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you are putting coke in your baby's bottle? What are
you doing? We just don't even we don't think about it.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Doctor Jill, she broke that thing down. Well, she was talking.
I started seeing it, Yes, I started seeing it, Yes,
And I'm thinking about She says, my brother has a
farm with pigs, and she said all of the pigs
are happy. And she said his theory and method is
that their only day of sadness should be the day
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that they die. They die. So, if you.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
When you were younger, did you ever spend time in
the country, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
My grandparents were sharecroppers.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Yes, so you remember how the animals were out there
and what they ate and all of that mattered. You
remember that, Yes, and so right before they were you
were going to eat something, you know, they would get
it and preparing and it just it was so fresh
and so different, and they were careful about it. Would
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set stuff aside before you were going to eat it
because they wanted it to be clean and natural. All
of that. We have that hysterically.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
We had that, and I'm thinking, and I was telling her,
and I was deal with my buddy, and you know,
he's like, yeah, he's in mental health and he's like,
I already know what you're thinking because I'm sitting there
thinking the anxiety that we have today that is a
direct correlation to our goods when you listen to Because
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I said, we're in an era where it just seemed
like people are just crashing out. Yeah, and I'm like,
all of this crashing out. All of these medication that
these kids are on for ADHD. They're on zoloft, they're
on lexipro, they're on rhythming on adderall, they're on concerto.
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I mean, they're on all of these medications. And I'm like,
have anybody thought about what these kids are eating. If
you're eating chips all day, cookies, chips would die, doctor J.
How much is that affecting our system neurologically and mentally?
Speaker 2 (10:43):
So in order to make the neurotransmitters, which are the
chemicals that determine how you feel. So you know you've
heard a serotonin, you've heard of melotonin, you've heard about it.
So you've heard about those chemicals, and you know they're
made in different places. A lot of them are made
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in the gut. You know, most serotonin is made in
the gut. That's your pleasure chemical. But the thing that
we don't talk about is if you don't have the
right ingredients to make them, it doesn't matter. So your
gut cells cannot make serotonin if you don't have serotonin
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making stuff in your system. Does that make sense to you?
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Wow?
Speaker 2 (11:28):
So a lot of the drugs that we give, for instance,
for depression, is something called a serotonin reuptake inhibitor. Yes,
you know that, which means that the serotonin that you
have stays out in the snat's longer, so you don't
take it up to try to feel better. Okay, but
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what if there's not any out there? If there's none
being made, then it doesn't matter whether you slowly reuptake
it of it or not. And if you don't have
the right amino acids in your system to make it
in the first place, you follow me. That's the step
we're not talking about. So now we know in many
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adolescent psychiatrists and pediatric psychiatrists have said the first thing
you do if the child has attention deficit disorder is
check their diet. That should be number one. So number
one should be get them off all processed foods and
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give them real food and watch their brains calm down.
Because if you in the morning, if you wake the
baby up and you get them ready for school, you
stop by the donut shop and you buy them donut
holes and chalk the milk, you know, people do that.
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They swing through or they get the thing with the
little so ssage in there, so they bond that yeah
in it, and so that's what they have. So they
get to school and they had donut holes, which is
fried dough, and they had chocolate chocolate milk, which is
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an abomination because his milk with syrup in it. So
that's what they had, and so you have elevated their
blood sugar and you have elevated their insulin and they
are high as a kite. Who by ten o'clock, that
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little joker is trying to tell it really, so they
are swinging and the teacher saying, I don't understand why
he won't be quiet, and I don't understand why he's
trying to do cartwheels because his brain is doing what
it is supposed to do when it gets a sugar high,
because it's just like alcohol. They are flipping out. And
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then what do we do in school? They flip out?
And then at ten o'clock, when the brain may be
about to calm down, what did they do? Have you
to bring a snack? So what is in the snack?
Huh oh? Now you fuel them back up again. They
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don't get any learning done none. And because they have
been acting up now they don't get to go outside
and run because to punish them, they make them stay
inside and put their hands on their desk. And then
they go to lunch and have a lunchable with that
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caprico and in there see all these capriso and stuff.
People gonna get me and y'all protect me, don't he.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
One listen, I'm letting you cook but this is the issues.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
That's what we're doing, and it is. So then you
think about, okay, well it's for convenience, which doesn't really
make sense to me, because you are killing your child
for convenience. Is that really what you want to do?
Oranges and apples don't take a lot of time either.
You just crik a up. You know, a good piece
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of chicken doesn't tank or whatever. You just give them
some real food, food that your great grandparents would recognize,
and stop giving them the chemicals because it's a business,
and the business because you know, they're scientists. Their whole
job is to get that thing where it tastes the best.
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It stimulates everything so that you get ultimate pleasure and
requires less chewing because when you chew, that's associated with sayety,
which is feeling full. So we don't want you to
chew a bunch. So that's why it melts in your mouth.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
So this is why you never they're never satiated.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
No, not satiated, because you're not chewing enough. It's melting
in your mouth. You've got all of these stimulatory things.
And the other thing, the reason you get full is
because when you take in nutrients, then you are satisfied.
They are nutrient deficient, so you're getting no nutrients. Your
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body is saying, I want so more of this. I
need some nutrient. I mean, all of that's working together.
And that's why all of us have all of this
metabolic dysfunction, which is really affecting our mental health. It's
a whole issue, it is, and because so many reasons.
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You know, there's so many reasons. But that's why we
have to tell people ourselves. You are responsible for knowing.
If you are trying to raise a young man and
you are trying to get him to calm down so
he can hear, if you're trying to raise him so
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that he's an optimal athlete, if you're trying to raise
him so he's a scientist, he's got to be able
to hear and comprehend and get the information. You got
to calm his brain down. And it doesn't need to
be done with drugs. If he requires medicine, okay, but
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does he really.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
I told y'all, I'm letting her talk as much as
she wont today because we need to heal. And it
starts with food. CJ and I was in Nova Scotia,
Canada about a week and a half. The food has
no preservatives. The food was so feeling.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
You can't even eat much. You just you stop eating
because you're like, okay, this is but full.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
Man. Like we were like we normally when we eat sushi,
like you know we eat sushi. We had we split
what one role, like like two roles were done, and
we were done, and then we it. We went to
one place and and he felt like he had been
drug He felt like he wanted to go to sleep,
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but they was telling him because the nutris an ingredient
was just so satisfying. And I was just like, I mean,
you know, again, I'm talking to a doctor here. So
even even even I'm gonna say this, and and again
I have to preface this, even going to the restaurant
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ther stool floats.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Oh yeah, it's different. You know what else is different
and we don't talk about it. Your sexual function is
different too, it is. And so my husband told me
years ago, he said, baby, if you would tell fellas
that if they ate better, they would perform better. He said,
why y'all ain't telling people that?
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Yeah? Yeah, and necessary and then and I'm so glad
you said that, doctor Jill, because I'm having to tell
I just did an interview. We just did an interview
with doctor Joffrey out of New Dvance Medical, which is
they're doing this huge push for men, and he was
talking about the uprise with young males in their twenties
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with erectile dysfunction.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Yes, and testosterone being low. So let's just talk about
it for a second. A rectile dysfunction. The way you
function is because your male genitalia is like a sponge,
so it functions or becomes erect when you get blood flow.
You know how water goes into a sponge. So many
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young men eat so poorly that their blood vessels are
adversely affected and so you can't get flow.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
And then because they eat so many chemicals, they are
consuming pesticides which are estrogenic.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
And so they are because men have some estrogen but
it's low, so they are stimulating estrogen receptors. And then
when you get a lot of body fat on as
a young man, your body fat converts estrogen, testosterone.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
To estrogen, and that needs to depression.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
And all of those things. So it's estrogenic effects and
then they don't function, which also adds to the mental
part of it, yes, and.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
Look at where we are. And I told the men this,
I was just speaking. I said, they don't tell y'all
to eat better. All they do is push another pill. Yes, hey, fellas,
you want to perform better in bed.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Here's yes.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
And I said, I said, brothers, I said, I'm telling
you the world does not think about your whole body.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Our long time health and well being. And I say
this often too, because a lot of people push back
on doctors and they said, well, they're not even telling us.
They don't know. Nobody taught us about nutrition.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
So you are sitting there thinking that the doctor is
an expert in medication, not into NUTRICI out now lead out,
unless they have taken it upon themselves to learn outside
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of medicine what to do. I personally feel like a
doctor who doesn't know about food is like a firefighter
who doesn't know about water. How on earth if are
you going to put out the fire? If you don't
understand water and where you hit the fire and all
of that. We are not trained in that way because
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we are trained to drive the system, whether it was
intentional or not. And so you who go in there
thinking that the doctor is of course thinking about what
I eat, and the best advice that you get is
pull away from the table and exercise more. Well, okay,
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what thank you?
Speaker 1 (22:53):
Yeah, I'm gonna keep Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
And here's another pills. But that's how we were trying.
Ain't that You know this as somebody who takes care
of people who've been a professional athlete. Listen, you can
only use what is in your arsenal. Yes, if you
don't know how to make your picks bigger, you do
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run around doing a little bit of everything. You don't
know what to do. You kid with somebody who knows
how to tell you, if you do this this many times,
it'll be effective. So that's that's what people are.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
And I'm gonna tell you how effective it is because
I was on tour for three years and in and
out of airport and I'm telling you, doctor Jill, and
I was knocking down probably a quest bar at least
twice a day because in my mind it's a proteaque bar.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Oh yeah yeah. And I said stop, I said, what
do you consume? You said, well, I do, you know
all the time. So I got protein bars and I
do a protein drink and I do it. And I
said listen. If you can't get going there and get
some nuts, you know, get some seeds, try to find
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you a piece of fruit, find you something real that
your body can use. And you are not alone because
all of the commercials tell us get that before you
work out, and then get you another little piece of
whatever that is before you and so people think, oh,
that must be a good thing. Your body don't know
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what to.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
Do with that. It's like what you said to me
just as so color, Baby, that ain't real, I did.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
That's my text. Care you think it's not And you went,
but oh.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Because I kept it's a protein bar, so I'm thinking
it's good. And you was like, maybe you don't know
what's in this.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
You don't know what's in there.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
And I'm telling you you know, I talked about this
last week. We was on the panel of Good Soil.
But I knew it was bad when I got on
stage and I forgot everything m hm. And I knew
that my body and as you said, Jay, your body,
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your immune system is compromised, and nobody knows it because
I hadn't talked about but I had a double ear
infection that was so bad.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
You were so sick, you were so sick. You came
in and you were you were you not only were sick,
you were scared because you were hurting so mad.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
Ce J. I don't think. I don't think I told
c J about this, But man, the pain we had.
We had to call doctor Jill again because the pain
was let up. And what what what was that? You
had gave me the highest form whatever whatever that.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
I gave you a little bit everything wet.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
That was the thing is like I had, My body
was just in the ear. In fact, I have never
in my life. My mother was over at my house
and all she was doing she was crying and praying
because I was sitting there in so much pain and tears.
All I do is cry.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
An earache is if you've never had one as an adult,
you don't know what that is. That's why baby screak.
It is horrid. It's like somebody putting a two pick
do your It is horrific pain, and you think, what
in the world, But a real ear ache.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
Is like that.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
And when you came into my office, you were so sick,
you were hurting so bad, you were hurting so bad,
You're like, oh, what can y'all do something?
Speaker 1 (26:45):
Yeah, you really were. And I didn't realize that I
had been going, going and going and going and eating
protein bars don't forget, and eating protein balls and I
have been doing this for three years. Yeah, they had
been doing this for three years. And I didn't realize
until I stopped how the body reacted for me stopping
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because as long as I was going, I was fine,
and then not realizing I'm gonna get even more transparent
with y'alls because I want y'all brothers to truly hear this.
I knew something was off because my body was just
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doing some funky stuff like I'm talking about. Just I
would be in the gym for weeks at a time
and nothing was happening. I'm just like, man, I'm working,
I'm working in they said, I'm like, nothing's happening, and
not realizing the stress of the tour pouring into people
and not having outlets and being poured back into but
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then not having a space where I can just breathe
and taking all that trauma from these guys share their story.
Then I'm going to sleep at eleven thirty, eating back
up at four to catch a flight. Doctor Ja. My
body was just in as you we talked about that
are just a fight or flight mold.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
It was so your cortisol levels were elevated, and because
your cortisol was elevated, so was your insulin, and you
developed and you had insulin resistance, which was making you
put on a little extra weight. You were like, I'm
doing all the stuff, and you know, you looked great,
but physically you knew something wasn't something wasn't right because
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on a cellular level, your body was not functionally optimally anymore.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
Oh and again I told you I'll be transparent. I
went and got all my blood work done and doctor
Jill came to me and she said, baby, and the
average man, your testoshial levels should be between eight hundred
to twelve hundred. Is that, great, doctor Rick, between eight
hundred to twelve hundred V hours that are two thirty.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
Five looking like you look, and you were at two
thirty five. Two thirty five, I would go in the gym.
I would go in the gym and just sit there.
That was no morale.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
It was just a four long depression because when your
test levels are low, there is no drive to do anything.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
Yeah, that's so important for you to say, because most
people when they think about hormones. First of all, they
think of estrogen testosterone, and they only think about your
sexual functioning. Testosterone is your drive hormone, not just your
sexual drive. It is your drive for life. It is
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the thing that makes you ferocious. Yes, so that's why
young men drive too fast. I mean all of that.
That's why you know you square up real quickly, because
your testosterone is that thing that gives you your edge.
And when it goes, not only do you not have
it physically, you don't have it mentally either. And so
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there you are struggling and you don't know why. And
young men are depressed and they don't know why, and
they can't function and they don't know why, and they're
angry and they're sad and they're all of that disappointment
and they don't know why, and it's because they're metabolically
things are so jacked up. But when they go to
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the doctor, nobody's looking. So I was talking to my
husband today, I said, you know, there we talk about
access to medical care, and most people think access means
there's not a hospital nearby, or there's not a doctor nearby,
or there's not a doctor. You don't have insurance. Access
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to medical care can also mean or the lack of
access can mean that your doctor is not allowing you
to do to get the right stuff, because if your
doctor doesn't order the right test, then you are being
denied access. So you got the insurance, you got all
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the stuff, but if I won't get the right test
for you, I am denying you access to optimal care.
And see that's a different level that we don't talk about.
That's why we have to have the conversations so people
know what to ask. Even yes, your testosterone level should
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be checked. I check it because if I don't check
it out, you're gonna know.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
And I'm so glad that you said that because for
the brothers who will own it, like you need to know. Sure,
because a lot of this depression, this aim and this
whole crash out thing that is all of a sudden
that has taken over the land, it's because some of
you need to go to the doctor and have your
test levels checked.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
Yes, and so this is why you need to know,
because a lot of things are fixable, they're reversible. But
if you don't know, it's an issue how you're going
to fix it. So if you know your testosterone is low,
or you know that your insulin is high, or you
know that your borderline diabetic. If you know that you're
now we can make adjustments. And that doesn't mean appeal.
(32:33):
That means that I can advise you. And you have
a reference point. So now you can go back and
look and say, oh, okay, it's better, and you can
correlate that with how you feel. So next time you
feel that again, you think, oh, the last time I
felt this, and therefore it kind of guides you in
(32:55):
the direction that you need to go.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
Yeah. Yeah, this conversation UJIL is so rich and I
know that it's going to help many and also what
it has really challenged me to do since coming to
your office in December is also looking for fools that
help with my mind. Yeah, especially in this work, talking
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to people, hearing stories and thinking about food that helped
me to perform better mentally, Yes, to help me to
be cognitively. You know what I'm saying strong, strong alert.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
There are certain things and I say this, I teach
a class, and I teach the class. It's a weight loss,
but it's not really lack.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
You know.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
In order to give people to listen, you got to
talk about weight loss, so you just do. I'm not
gonna if I said, oh, I have a metabolic well
in this class, I'd just be sitting up in there,
me and my stage. You know, just ain't nobody coming.
But if I say I'm going to tell you how
to lose weight, and then they come and I say,
I told you how to lose weight, I'm gonna tell
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you how to lose weight, but first we're gonna talk
about getting metabolically well. And then I start telling them
this is how you eat, the way that you eat
your food, the order you know, we talked about that,
the order that you eat your food matters. How long
you fast matters. So there's so much information out there
that people hear, Oh I hear that fast and is
(34:25):
a good thing. Oh no, I hear the fasting is bad.
They don't know what to do. When you have a
relationship with a physician that you trust and who is
well informed, not only can I tell you, but I
can tell you the science. Yes, I can tell you why.
I can tell you why that matters. I can tell
you why you need to make sure that you eat.
(34:47):
You know, you have something acidic so you may eat
a vinagrette dressing on top of your stuff first, and
you start with your vegetables, and then you do your protein,
and you do all of that, and then by the
time you finish all that, if you want to have
some you have it. At the very end you process
it differently.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
So I can tell you those things so that you
are able to really go through what it is you
need to know. So not only do you consume the
best food, but you get the optimum benefit from it
when you consume it.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
Critical y'all better run this podcast number. This episode number
is up because we are sick as a people. We are,
and I know that it is connected to our mental health.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
Oh, no doubt about it. I just did a class
a couple of weeks ago at Harvard Metabolic Wellness and
there was a section about metabolic well being and mental health.
Well now we are studying the connection. Yes, there are
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people who have diabetes have more depression, people who have
heart disease have more depression and anxiety. People who have
schizophrenia have more obesity. I mean, the numbers go on
and on and on. The question is and the errors
go in both directions, so one feeds the other. So
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if you understand that while I'm anxious or I'm depressed,
I may not be able to completely fix it. But
if I know that the way I eat changes it,
then I can eat in that way. And then when
you add exercise, because you know, I'm sure you have
to exercise for your mental well being, not just for
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what you look like, because if you don't exercise, you
don't feel mentally good. So when you know, when you
put all the pieces together, and then you add your
counseling and your therapy and you do all of the
things that you need to do, you can get yourself
back to wellness. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
Man, this is so good now, Doctor Jill. You know,
we talk about healing, and you recently went through a
journey yourself personally past couple of years, and you know,
I know you shared a little bit about about it
with me. What was that like for you personally to
go through your own journey and to navigate through that.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
So, you know, several things that have happened to My
children always said to me, Mom, me unique counselor. And
I've done counseling probably five times over the course of
my years. Because I was sitting back there thinking about it,
I think that I'm at a stage in my life
where I had made the decision that I want to
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be well, and so I want to be physically well,
mentally well, all of those things for a number of reasons.
One is I'm at a one in my life that
I want to live life fully. The other thing is this,
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I feel an urgency to be able to tell people
how to be well. Yes, and because I was so overweight,
I was physically overweight and also mentally overweight. I think
that people couldn't hear me because they could see me,
(38:29):
and so in order to fix to be able to
offer information in a way that people could hear me,
I had to first fix me. And so I was
really I've been working for the last two and a
half years really trying to learn the information so that
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I could fix me, so that I can lead other people.
You know, they say, never leave folks somewhere you had
been yourself. I could lead people to what healing looks like.
So that's I'm really I'm feeling good about that.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
Yeah, look amazing, Thank you.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
I think I feel kind of cute too.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
Hey, Mark, I ain't say nothing. Listen listen. David Battle
was fertin than a state. Listen David Battle's slow Baby Mark,
I got you, I got you, Good brothers, I got you,
good brothers.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
It was it was fun, but just trying to be well, behold,
be physically well, be strong. What I decided was it's like,
I will not be seventy and sick because there's a
thing that happens for African American men. There was you
can look this up. The time when African American men
(39:53):
start to get sick is in their late forties, early fifties.
They started dropping dead and their fifties. Just think about
I mean that, you know dead. You know, your hear's like,
oh my god, he dropped me, and it starts and
you think what in the world, and then they just
start dropping dead. So that's why you don't know very
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many African American women that are pasted a certain age.
They were married, but their husband's been gone. They've been gone,
they've been gone, they've been widdled. You know, she's in
her sixties, seventies, she's been a widow for twenty years,
you know. So I made the decision that I was
going to make sure and for women by the time
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we go through menopause and then by the time we
hit that seventy ish, that's when you know you start
needing your stuff. Replace your knees, your hips. You can't
go up and down the stairs, you can't down your shoes,
you can't all of that. And so I was like,
that's not gonna be me. I want to be able
to move around in my body. So having control of
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your body, maintaining your lean muscle mass, this is stuff
we don't talk about. So if you're able to maintain
your lean muscle mass, your longevity is increased. Wow, because
you're less likely to fall and break aheap. You're able
to keep going and keep functioning. So that was really
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important to me to be strong, to be able to
be where I could tell people this, to keep my
brain because there's a lot of stuff in here a
lot of years and so I wanted to be able
to continue to access it so I could share it
with the world.
Speaker 1 (41:34):
Oh that's so good. So you can be able to.
Speaker 2 (41:38):
Access it, because if it's in there, you can tell nobody.
Speaker 1 (41:43):
I'm going to sit again to be able to access
what is in your brain. And I'm sitting here thinking
about the number of people who are not able to access.
Speaker 2 (41:53):
It excess it. When you lose your brain, you lose
your life. It didn't matter if I was a great doctor.
If I can't remember, it doesn't matter if I have
people who love me. If I can't remember, what is that?
(42:14):
And we know that much of that has to do
with trauma. It's physiological, it's biological, it's environmental, yes, not
just environmental, what chemicals? But where did you grow up?
Speaker 1 (42:30):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (42:32):
What happened? What happened when your dad left? What did
you feel? You know? All of that, all of that matters.
And so as we work through all of it, then
our brains stay well and we can remember the list
we've lived until we transition.
Speaker 1 (42:54):
Oh man, that's so beautiful. And as you were talking,
I'm sitting here thinking how I grew up in Mississippi,
and I'm sitting and thinking like where we grew up
at and just the sadness that is over the people,
(43:16):
the sadness that is over the the community. And I
think about my father because he's still passing and still doing.
You know, he's sixty six, but I think about how
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he's aging. And I'll look at people like you and
look at your husband Mark, and like you guys look
like you're aging backwards. And you start to look at
you know, different people in different age groups, and you
don't compare, but you begin to access what is different
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in their lives.
Speaker 2 (44:00):
What does that look like? Were the choices that I made? Yes,
I had the opportunity. I was in a green room
and there was a lady in the green room who
is one hundred and five. She's about to be one
hundred and five, and so the other ladies who in
the green room said to her, what did you do
(44:22):
to get to be this old? What were the things
that you And the person who was with her said, oh,
people asked her all the time. She said, there wasn't
anything that she did in particular. And I said to her,
I don't know what you did. I want to know
what you didn't do. And she gave me twenty minutes
(44:43):
of what she did not do. Wow, And I thought,
that's what we need to know. Yes, she said, baby,
I don't eat stuff that come out of cans, and
I don't eat stuff that you know all this process
she went in, she said, And so I read years
go to this aluminum and stuff, and that can affect
your brain. I stop using aluminum and she I mean,
(45:07):
she told me all of the stuff that we have
science for. Yes, she gave it all all to me.
You are correct. You can look at examples. Yes, and
look how people age. You know, we saw I saw
the Clark's sisters the other night, and you know, they
are grown, fully grown. Their voices are magical. And I
(45:33):
was sitting there and I thought about Whitney Houston, and
I thought about how her voice was amazing, and how
in her forties she struggled with her voice. Well, it's
public knowledge, what you know, the troubles and things that
she went through. And then I heard these women and
I thought, that's the difference. The difference is how do
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you handle the gift of health? What do you do
with that?
Speaker 1 (46:03):
How do you handle the give of health? Oh? Man,
that so I see, Oh Jesus, that that is. That's
so layered. Yeah, because if you're not healthy, you can't
carry out whatever he's giving you, any of it.
Speaker 2 (46:23):
If you're an entrepreneur, if you go down, the vision
goes down. If you're a father, if you go down,
all of the fathering you were gonna do for your
child is gone. Somebody else can come up and they
can pick up the slack. But they're not gonna give
them what you were gonna give them. Critical, so critical,
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we just don't think about it.
Speaker 1 (46:53):
Man. You doctor Ju, you have just given such a
wealth of information. And as you were talking, I began
to think about my grandmother, and I credit her for
much of what I've become today because she spoke it
in me. She used to call me doctor J as
a kid, as a walk in the house, doctor J.
(47:16):
And I said, my grandmother when she passed me, and
her was close. She used to write me letters every
month in college and she's a put one hundred dollars
bill in there from her Social Security check. And she
was vegetarian. Yeah, And I used to be like, Grandma,
you gonna used to meet boy, ain't eight me since
(47:37):
seventy five? Yes, when she died, she did not have
gray hair or any wrinkles. Skin looked like you or
she was eighty. She only passed because she had a
broken heart because my grandfather died first and she died
a year later. She walked every day, she did yoga. Yeah,
(48:01):
and I begin as you were talking. I began, and
she was so health conscious and she would be like baby,
she will cook it but she would never eat it. Yeah,
she will cook these big meals for everybody, and they'd
be like, Grandma, you gonna eat Oh no, baby, I
don't do no meat. She'd get her little rice and
beans and veggies. And I thought of I said, man, Grandma.
(48:25):
I was telling my sister, I keep pictures of her,
and I said, man, Grandma didn't have no wrinkles. The
elasticity in her skin was still there. And as you
were talking, I'm just thinking about how she stood to
give a help health.
Speaker 2 (48:42):
Yeah, because you know, you know all of us are
going to eventually leave this life. I mean, you know
it's inevitable. But don't you want to live up until
the very last minute and then go to bed and die.
I want when I die people to say what she gone?
I saw it last week. She was looking so good.
(49:04):
You know. I do not want to be ill for
ten fifteen years, because many people who are Christians will say, oh,
well I'm gonna die. You know the Lord say the
day you got it? You know that. They But okay,
so what if I don't take care of my stuff
and I'm here for twenty more years Because it wasn't
(49:24):
my time to die exactly. So is that what I want?
I mean, we have to think about that. You want
to be well, You want to be well up until
the moment you transition.
Speaker 1 (49:37):
And I'm sitting there thinking about how the lady was
talking about the pigs and how happy they are in
this environment and they make sure they're able to run
and be free up until their day, you know, to leave,
and just how powerful that is if we can begin
to steward our health in that way, in that way,
(49:59):
to seek more joy and to seek more happiness, and
to free ourselves by creating an environment of wellness through
the ways that we eat, the ways that we connect,
because I really believe doctor Jill that this food it
is determining how we even interact with each other. I've
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never seen such angry people.
Speaker 2 (50:21):
That's such aggression. You know, when you come to my office,
there's always music. The colors are we have common colors.
I try to make sure it smells good. We try
to hug you and say hello when you come in.
Environment is everything. What you consume is everything, not just
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what you eat, but what you consume. What is it
that you are taking in? When you take in goodness,
you have goodness to give and that's just the truth.
Speaker 1 (51:01):
Man. So in closing, doctor Jill, I asked every guest
this question, what is healing for you?
Speaker 2 (51:15):
Healing for me, having grown up in the sixties, it
is understanding that a little black girl like me can
really be whatever she wanted to be. Wow. I am
healed because I am. I am healed because I stand
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and I impact people's that's healing for me.
Speaker 1 (51:47):
Wow. And now I'm sitting here, like you said, grew
up in the sixties, I'm just like.
Speaker 2 (51:53):
Wow, and just yeah, I'm grown. I'm fully grown, but
I am. And I remember when I was in first grade,
I could the schools weren't integrated yet.
Speaker 1 (52:09):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (52:09):
Yeah, yeah they were not.
Speaker 1 (52:15):
So when you think about where you are today, doctor Gill, like,
what are your thoughts of the little girl who was
in first grade at school where it's like when you
go back to that time.
Speaker 2 (52:27):
I think of my grandfather who he called me snake eye. Okay,
I don't know why, but it did. He call me
snake eye, and he told me I can be anything.
And I remember I was a little girl saying I
wanted to be a doctor, and everybody was like, no,
you don't want to be a doctor. You want to
be a nurse. Nursing is a wonderful profession, but wh
(52:48):
I can't be a doctor. And my grandfather was saying,
stop telling her that she can be whatever she wants
to be. And for Christmas he got me back then
those were the little nurse's kids. He got me the
doctor one. So I had the little thing up on
my head because it had a little yeah for that,
and I got that, and I also got the wigs
(53:09):
sit in the high hair shoes. So I was but
because you always going to be a girly girl. But
I remember my grandfather and the strength that he had
and the power that he gave me. If my grandfather
was changing the oil, I was out there handing him
the rent. If he was cutting the grass, I was
(53:32):
out there cutting the grass, and he was telling me
how to make sure I edged it right. Because what
he wanted me to feel was power. He wanted me
to know that I had power to be whatever I
wanted to be, even though I was black and a girl.
So I always think of Daddy and I always think
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how round he would be. Oh my god, he would
be so proud of me.
Speaker 1 (54:04):
And I'm proud of doctor Jill, because you have made
an impact of my life. When I tell you out
on food processed foods. When we on the road, if
I can't get to no real food, I grab a
bag or cash.
Speaker 2 (54:18):
You yes, and you're not gonna starve to death, so
be all right and get the best you can. That's
the other thing we think we got to eat. I
got to eat something there, you know.
Speaker 1 (54:30):
Yeah, And it's just really giving me a different outlook
on aging, you know. And I'll see one of the
I was at the farmer's market yesterday buying a watermelon,
and there was a husband and wife out there, and
I just come from the gym and I always work
out in like sweats and and like sweatshirts, like I
(54:52):
like hoodies. I like to sweat. And the brother looked
at me and and I was buying something because I
was supporting that everybody's business, and he goes, he says, man,
he said, man, aren't you hot? I said no, Man,
I said, I feel good. I said I always when
I played balley, I wore long sleeves under my pants.
I said, I said, man, you gotta sweat. Man, get
them toxes at you. And he was like, man, how
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there are some forty three he like now, he looked
like he was about probably mid early the mid thirties.
His mouth was on the floor, wow because because he
I can tell he didn't look healthy, you know. And
and he was just like, man like, so, what's the secret?
Speaker 2 (55:35):
Wow? Boom this right here? Stop eating that that you
ain't on your way in here, Go to the gym.
Speaker 1 (55:42):
Get you a hoodie too, exactly, That's what and that's what.
That's what I told him and man, and so it was.
It was crazy because he was there with his wife
and man and she was just like wow, like wow,
And I was like, let me get up out of here,
because I was starting to argue because why can't you
look at it like.
Speaker 2 (56:01):
Ma'am, don't wow any more? Stop wowing that.
Speaker 1 (56:05):
But I think we have to begin to change how
we think about ourselves, and particularly for men, because right now,
the life expectancy of a black man is sixty one
point five fifty one point five.
Speaker 2 (56:21):
You know, in this city there is there's two communities
sixty one point five and less than ten miles up
the road, it's ninety. Look it up. And the race
(56:47):
is not DNA. Because we understand that the human genome,
We're ninety nine point nine percent the same genetically. Race
is a social construct, so why is it that black
men die thirty years before some other men. We'll leave on.
Speaker 1 (57:11):
That Listen, I'm going to have CJ put some different
links on this podcast where you can connect with doctor Jill,
follow her on Instagram, and even connect with her. Listen,
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Brothers and women, I think this is a great opportunity
for you to begin connecting back to individuals who care
about your overall wellness holistically. And that's what I love
about doctor Jill. She is not just a physician who
is going to prescribe to medicate. She's going to prescribe
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to help you heal and to become better. Doctor Jill,
thank you again. I'm so glad that we got to
have to sit down, and I'm so glad the world
gets to hear from you because you deserve time to
be able to do what you did today, to provide insight,
provide information and knowledge, and to share your story. And
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so I'm just thank you, just grateful that you came
to know to the healing community today to bless these people.
And I know that the women, the brothers are going
to be grateful for this because you have just given
us a wealth of information. And for those of you,
if you have not gone to the doctor this year,
my brother, please go to the doctor. Get yourself checked out, man,
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because we need brothers here to be not just the
stables in our community, but man to be an example
of what it looks like to age well. And listen.
Until next time, remember healing is a journey and wholeness
is the destiny nation. Just here with Doctor J, a
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production of the Black Effect Podcast Network. For more podcasts
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Welcome to jess Hell with Doctor j a production of
the Black Effect Podcast Network and iHeartRadio. Welcome back to
another episode with just here Doctor Jay. I am excited
about the next guests because she saved my life literally,
and I am excited to have her to sit down
and to talk with me because we have been on
(00:21):
several panels and they only let her cook for about
five or ten minutes. So I'm letting her cook today,
so I'm gonna let her talk as long as she
won't and let her do what she does best and
that it's educating us on wellness, fitness, and our health.
So welcome to the healing community, my PCP, and for
(00:42):
the black men out there, go see the doctor. Please
do It'll save your life. So welcome, without further ado,
Welcome doctor Jill Wagoner. How are you, doctor Jill?
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Great? How are you?
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Sir? Listen? I'm phenomenal if she ill sat up in
my chill because I'm like, I'm an interview with doctor Jill,
so let me sit up because I know you are
getting ready to give us a wealth of information and
I am just elated to have this conversation with you.
So I'm doing good.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Thank you. Thank you. You said I could talk as
long as I wanted to.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
I'm a hundred I'm just kidding. No, no, no, talk
as long because we often get to talk on panels
and you know, we got to share space and all
those things, and people are always like, we want more
from doctor Jill. And I was telling a few people
that had reached out to me after Good Soil and
they was like, how can I get a touch with
(01:37):
doctor I said, well, I'm giving it through a podcast
with it, and they was just like, I cannot wait
for this episode because they want more. And so that's
what I'm excited about. How are you feeling?
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Just I'm good. I'm really excited about the work you're
doing with this podcast. It just you know, healing is essential,
absolutely critical, and we got so much stuff to heal from. Yes,
so this is good.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Yes, And I want to and I've already said it
to you. I would say it to you again. Thank you,
thank you, thank you, thank you for being honest with me.
And what I love about how you show up in
your practice and how you show up as a physician
is you show up with truth and you deliver it
(02:23):
in a way that calls somebody to the car because
we need to be called to the carpet sometimes. Yeah,
and then you know, you give us the next steps
to say, hey, you got to make these changes, you know.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
But you told me as I was telling you what
was going on with you, and it was you know,
giving you this is what I recommend. You said to me,
If you tell me what to do, I'll do it.
Because I follow instructions, I'll be the best patient. That's
what's critical because you tell I tell people a lot
of people what's going on, and they choose not to listen,
or they choose to pretend they don't understand or get
(03:00):
the connection. But what you said is I am here
for you to help me, tell me what to do.
And I got it and you went to work. And
that's what's necessary because it's not hard. It's really not hard.
That's the thing that is so amazing to me that
when you really start to tell people what it takes
to be well to heal, the process may be difficult
(03:25):
because of what you have to go through to get there,
but the actual steps are not are Wow, it's not.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
And when you talk about the actual steps, doctor Jill,
do you find that when you start to lay the
steps out. That is what really stops people from moving forward.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Yeah, because so you know, we give people information all
the time. That's where we are. They get it everywhere
and they have all the information. It's not the information
that is at issue. It is the implum that is
that issue. So you got it, but if you don't
do anything with it, what doesn't matter. You can take
all the classes, you can go to, all the therapy
(04:08):
you can do all that. You can get all the trainers,
you can hire a chef, you can do all the stuff.
But if you do not do it, people say all
the time that I join the health club, I have
a membership. It's like, you know, that don't count, right,
It's just not better that they are taking your money out.
The issue is are you going and when you get there,
(04:31):
are you running around? I see people all the time,
they just in there wandering around. What are you doing? Girl?
Get on something?
Speaker 1 (04:39):
You know.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
They don't have a plan. They're just in there looking around.
So you must have a plan. You must be ready
to implement, and if you are not, you want to
be successful. Period.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
See what I tell y'all, I'm telling you I'm letting
her cook today because this is a vineyard of wi
and information and just I mean astounding, astounding wealth of
just knowledge that you have, Doctor Jill. Now, when you
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think about where we are today, and I'm going to
talk about us as African Americas, black people, when you
look at us when it comes old. Before I go there,
I'm sitting in a restaurant yesterday, I do a private
test doctor Nicole, who is a vegan chef, and she
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did this private tasting for me, and I'm trying all
these different vegan options really really good. And the restaurant
that we were at, Doctor Jill Asian lady who is
the chef and the owner. So she comes in and
she's a sushi spot at night from like five to nine,
and she says, she says, you know, whenever you go
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to eat sushi, you want to make sure that the
fish is fresh, and to make sure that when the
fish is on ice for twenty four hours, watch this.
She said, what happens when the fish is caught, if
it's not on ice for twenty four hours, it goes
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into a fight or flight. And when it's in a
fight or flight, there are chemicals released and the fish.
You know, my mind went already and I said, are
you serious? She says yes, She said, when you're eating
food that is highly traumatized, This was true. What is
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it doing to our bodies? See?
Speaker 2 (06:40):
And we don't think about stuff like that. It's like
when you eat chicken and they've all been crowded up
together and the eggs are broken because they can't even
walk around. What has happened to that animal before you
consume it. They have chemicals too. Now it is in
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all of that flesh that you are conserdnered. See. We
don't think about so we don't think about food period.
We don't think about where it came from. We don't
think about what's in it. We don't think about what
was sprayed on it. We don't think about who cooked it.
We don't think about whether they wash their hands. We
don't think about any of that. And it is the
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most important thing that you do, the most important thing
that you do, because you have to fuel yourself. I
don't care what you are doing. What you consume is critical.
You got a nice call. You can't put everything in
that car. You are careful about where you go? Who
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would not? Don't don't go over there and put my
gas in. I mean, it's just that simple. We understand
that about machines and all other things, and it sounds
almost ridiculously simple, but it's the truth. What is that done?
What is that you are feeding your kids? You don't
understand why he's trying to flip off the rooftop and
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he's eating that yellow something with something hot on top
of it and some chemical mixture that is hitting all
of the pleasure centers in his brain. And he is
addicted from two to fifty. What in the world? And
we just never think about, what are you doing when
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you are putting coke in your baby's bottle? What are
you doing? We just don't even we don't think about it.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Doctor Jill, she broke that thing down. Well, she was talking.
I started seeing it, Yes, I started seeing it, Yes,
And I'm thinking about She says, my brother has a
farm with pigs, and she said all of the pigs
are happy. And she said his theory and method is
that their only day of sadness should be the day
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that they die. They die. So, if you.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
When you were younger, did you ever spend time in
the country, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
My grandparents were sharecroppers.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Yes, so you remember how the animals were out there
and what they ate and all of that mattered. You
remember that, Yes, and so right before they were you
were going to eat something, you know, they would get
it and preparing and it just it was so fresh
and so different, and they were careful about it. Would
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set stuff aside before you were going to eat it
because they wanted it to be clean and natural. All
of that. We have that hysterically.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
We had that, and I'm thinking, and I was telling her,
and I was deal with my buddy, and you know,
he's like, yeah, he's in mental health and he's like,
I already know what you're thinking because I'm sitting there
thinking the anxiety that we have today that is a
direct correlation to our goods when you listen to Because
(10:02):
I said, we're in an era where it just seemed
like people are just crashing out. Yeah, and I'm like,
all of this crashing out. All of these medication that
these kids are on for ADHD. They're on zoloft, they're
on lexipro, they're on rhythming on adderall, they're on concerto.
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I mean, they're on all of these medications. And I'm like,
have anybody thought about what these kids are eating. If
you're eating chips all day, cookies, chips would die, doctor J.
How much is that affecting our system neurologically and mentally?
Speaker 2 (10:43):
So in order to make the neurotransmitters, which are the
chemicals that determine how you feel. So you know you've
heard a serotonin, you've heard of melotonin, you've heard about it.
So you've heard about those chemicals, and you know they're
made in different places. A lot of them are made
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in the gut. You know, most serotonin is made in
the gut. That's your pleasure chemical. But the thing that
we don't talk about is if you don't have the
right ingredients to make them, it doesn't matter. So your
gut cells cannot make serotonin if you don't have serotonin
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making stuff in your system. Does that make sense to you?
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Wow?
Speaker 2 (11:28):
So a lot of the drugs that we give, for instance,
for depression, is something called a serotonin reuptake inhibitor. Yes,
you know that, which means that the serotonin that you
have stays out in the snat's longer, so you don't
take it up to try to feel better. Okay, but
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what if there's not any out there? If there's none
being made, then it doesn't matter whether you slowly reuptake
it of it or not. And if you don't have
the right amino acids in your system to make it
in the first place, you follow me. That's the step
we're not talking about. So now we know in many
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adolescent psychiatrists and pediatric psychiatrists have said the first thing
you do if the child has attention deficit disorder is
check their diet. That should be number one. So number
one should be get them off all processed foods and
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give them real food and watch their brains calm down.
Because if you in the morning, if you wake the
baby up and you get them ready for school, you
stop by the donut shop and you buy them donut
holes and chalk the milk, you know, people do that.
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They swing through or they get the thing with the
little so ssage in there, so they bond that yeah
in it, and so that's what they have. So they
get to school and they had donut holes, which is
fried dough, and they had chocolate chocolate milk, which is
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an abomination because his milk with syrup in it. So
that's what they had, and so you have elevated their
blood sugar and you have elevated their insulin and they
are high as a kite. Who by ten o'clock, that
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little joker is trying to tell it really, so they
are swinging and the teacher saying, I don't understand why
he won't be quiet, and I don't understand why he's
trying to do cartwheels because his brain is doing what
it is supposed to do when it gets a sugar high,
because it's just like alcohol. They are flipping out. And
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then what do we do in school? They flip out?
And then at ten o'clock, when the brain may be
about to calm down, what did they do? Have you
to bring a snack? So what is in the snack?
Huh oh? Now you fuel them back up again. They
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don't get any learning done none. And because they have
been acting up now they don't get to go outside
and run because to punish them, they make them stay
inside and put their hands on their desk. And then
they go to lunch and have a lunchable with that
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caprico and in there see all these capriso and stuff.
People gonna get me and y'all protect me, don't he.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
One listen, I'm letting you cook but this is the issues.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
That's what we're doing, and it is. So then you
think about, okay, well it's for convenience, which doesn't really
make sense to me, because you are killing your child
for convenience. Is that really what you want to do?
Oranges and apples don't take a lot of time either.
You just crik a up. You know, a good piece
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of chicken doesn't tank or whatever. You just give them
some real food, food that your great grandparents would recognize,
and stop giving them the chemicals because it's a business,
and the business because you know, they're scientists. Their whole
job is to get that thing where it tastes the best.
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It stimulates everything so that you get ultimate pleasure and
requires less chewing because when you chew, that's associated with sayety,
which is feeling full. So we don't want you to
chew a bunch. So that's why it melts in your mouth.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
So this is why you never they're never satiated.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
No, not satiated, because you're not chewing enough. It's melting
in your mouth. You've got all of these stimulatory things.
And the other thing, the reason you get full is
because when you take in nutrients, then you are satisfied.
They are nutrient deficient, so you're getting no nutrients. Your
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body is saying, I want so more of this. I
need some nutrient. I mean, all of that's working together.
And that's why all of us have all of this
metabolic dysfunction, which is really affecting our mental health. It's
a whole issue, it is, and because so many reasons.
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You know, there's so many reasons. But that's why we
have to tell people ourselves. You are responsible for knowing.
If you are trying to raise a young man and
you are trying to get him to calm down so
he can hear, if you're trying to raise him so
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that he's an optimal athlete, if you're trying to raise
him so he's a scientist, he's got to be able
to hear and comprehend and get the information. You got
to calm his brain down. And it doesn't need to
be done with drugs. If he requires medicine, okay, but
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does he really.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
I told y'all, I'm letting her talk as much as
she wont today because we need to heal. And it
starts with food. CJ and I was in Nova Scotia,
Canada about a week and a half. The food has
no preservatives. The food was so feeling.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
You can't even eat much. You just you stop eating
because you're like, okay, this is but full.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
Man. Like we were like we normally when we eat sushi,
like you know we eat sushi. We had we split
what one role, like like two roles were done, and
we were done, and then we it. We went to
one place and and he felt like he had been
drug He felt like he wanted to go to sleep,
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but they was telling him because the nutris an ingredient
was just so satisfying. And I was just like, I mean,
you know, again, I'm talking to a doctor here. So
even even even I'm gonna say this, and and again
I have to preface this, even going to the restaurant
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ther stool floats.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
Oh yeah, it's different. You know what else is different
and we don't talk about it. Your sexual function is
different too, it is. And so my husband told me
years ago, he said, baby, if you would tell fellas
that if they ate better, they would perform better. He said,
why y'all ain't telling people that?
Speaker 1 (19:22):
Yeah? Yeah, and necessary and then and I'm so glad
you said that, doctor Jill, because I'm having to tell
I just did an interview. We just did an interview
with doctor Joffrey out of New Dvance Medical, which is
they're doing this huge push for men, and he was
talking about the uprise with young males in their twenties
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with erectile dysfunction.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Yes, and testosterone being low. So let's just talk about
it for a second. A rectile dysfunction. The way you
function is because your male genitalia is like a sponge,
so it functions or becomes erect when you get blood flow.
You know how water goes into a sponge. So many
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young men eat so poorly that their blood vessels are
adversely affected and so you can't get flow.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
And then because they eat so many chemicals, they are
consuming pesticides which are estrogenic.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
And so they are because men have some estrogen but
it's low, so they are stimulating estrogen receptors. And then
when you get a lot of body fat on as
a young man, your body fat converts estrogen, testosterone.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
To estrogen, and that needs to depression.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
And all of those things. So it's estrogenic effects and
then they don't function, which also adds to the mental
part of it, yes, and.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
Look at where we are. And I told the men this,
I was just speaking. I said, they don't tell y'all
to eat better. All they do is push another pill. Yes, hey, fellas,
you want to perform better in bed.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Here's yes.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
And I said, I said, brothers, I said, I'm telling
you the world does not think about your whole body.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Our long time health and well being. And I say
this often too, because a lot of people push back
on doctors and they said, well, they're not even telling us.
They don't know. Nobody taught us about nutrition.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
So you are sitting there thinking that the doctor is
an expert in medication, not into NUTRICI out now lead out,
unless they have taken it upon themselves to learn outside
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of medicine what to do. I personally feel like a
doctor who doesn't know about food is like a firefighter
who doesn't know about water. How on earth if are
you going to put out the fire? If you don't
understand water and where you hit the fire and all
of that. We are not trained in that way because
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we are trained to drive the system, whether it was
intentional or not. And so you who go in there
thinking that the doctor is of course thinking about what
I eat, and the best advice that you get is
pull away from the table and exercise more. Well, okay,
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what thank you?
Speaker 1 (22:53):
Yeah, I'm gonna keep Yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
And here's another pills. But that's how we were trying.
Ain't that You know this as somebody who takes care
of people who've been a professional athlete. Listen, you can
only use what is in your arsenal. Yes, if you
don't know how to make your picks bigger, you do
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run around doing a little bit of everything. You don't
know what to do. You kid with somebody who knows
how to tell you, if you do this this many times,
it'll be effective. So that's that's what people are.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
And I'm gonna tell you how effective it is because
I was on tour for three years and in and
out of airport and I'm telling you, doctor Jill, and
I was knocking down probably a quest bar at least
twice a day because in my mind it's a proteaque bar.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Oh yeah yeah. And I said stop, I said, what
do you consume? You said, well, I do, you know
all the time. So I got protein bars and I
do a protein drink and I do it. And I
said listen. If you can't get going there and get
some nuts, you know, get some seeds, try to find
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you a piece of fruit, find you something real that
your body can use. And you are not alone because
all of the commercials tell us get that before you
work out, and then get you another little piece of
whatever that is before you and so people think, oh,
that must be a good thing. Your body don't know
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what to.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
Do with that. It's like what you said to me
just as so color, Baby, that ain't real, I did.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
That's my text. Care you think it's not And you went,
but oh.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Because I kept it's a protein bar, so I'm thinking
it's good. And you was like, maybe you don't know
what's in this.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
You don't know what's in there.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
And I'm telling you you know, I talked about this
last week. We was on the panel of Good Soil.
But I knew it was bad when I got on
stage and I forgot everything m hm. And I knew
that my body and as you said, Jay, your body,
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your immune system is compromised, and nobody knows it because
I hadn't talked about but I had a double ear
infection that was so bad.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
You were so sick, you were so sick. You came
in and you were you were you not only were sick,
you were scared because you were hurting so mad.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
Ce J. I don't think. I don't think I told
c J about this, But man, the pain we had.
We had to call doctor Jill again because the pain
was let up. And what what what was that? You
had gave me the highest form whatever whatever that.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
I gave you a little bit everything wet.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
That was the thing is like I had, My body
was just in the ear. In fact, I have never
in my life. My mother was over at my house
and all she was doing she was crying and praying
because I was sitting there in so much pain and tears.
All I do is cry.
Speaker 2 (26:18):
An earache is if you've never had one as an adult,
you don't know what that is. That's why baby screak.
It is horrid. It's like somebody putting a two pick
do your It is horrific pain, and you think, what
in the world, But a real ear ache.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
Is like that.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
And when you came into my office, you were so sick,
you were hurting so bad, you were hurting so bad,
You're like, oh, what can y'all do something?
Speaker 1 (26:45):
Yeah, you really were. And I didn't realize that I
had been going, going and going and going and eating
protein bars don't forget, and eating protein balls and I
have been doing this for three years. Yeah, they had
been doing this for three years. And I didn't realize
until I stopped how the body reacted for me stopping
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because as long as I was going, I was fine,
and then not realizing I'm gonna get even more transparent
with y'alls because I want y'all brothers to truly hear this.
I knew something was off because my body was just
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doing some funky stuff like I'm talking about. Just I
would be in the gym for weeks at a time
and nothing was happening. I'm just like, man, I'm working,
I'm working in they said, I'm like, nothing's happening, and
not realizing the stress of the tour pouring into people
and not having outlets and being poured back into but
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then not having a space where I can just breathe
and taking all that trauma from these guys share their story.
Then I'm going to sleep at eleven thirty, eating back
up at four to catch a flight. Doctor Ja. My
body was just in as you we talked about that
are just a fight or flight mold.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
It was so your cortisol levels were elevated, and because
your cortisol was elevated, so was your insulin, and you
developed and you had insulin resistance, which was making you
put on a little extra weight. You were like, I'm
doing all the stuff, and you know, you looked great,
but physically you knew something wasn't something wasn't right because
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on a cellular level, your body was not functionally optimally anymore.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
Oh and again I told you I'll be transparent. I
went and got all my blood work done and doctor
Jill came to me and she said, baby, and the
average man, your testoshial levels should be between eight hundred
to twelve hundred. Is that, great, doctor Rick, between eight
hundred to twelve hundred V hours that are two thirty.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
Five looking like you look, and you were at two
thirty five. Two thirty five, I would go in the gym.
I would go in the gym and just sit there.
That was no morale.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
It was just a four long depression because when your
test levels are low, there is no drive to do anything.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
Yeah, that's so important for you to say, because most
people when they think about hormones. First of all, they
think of estrogen testosterone, and they only think about your
sexual functioning. Testosterone is your drive hormone, not just your
sexual drive. It is your drive for life. It is
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the thing that makes you ferocious. Yes, so that's why
young men drive too fast. I mean all of that.
That's why you know you square up real quickly, because
your testosterone is that thing that gives you your edge.
And when it goes, not only do you not have
it physically, you don't have it mentally either. And so
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there you are struggling and you don't know why. And
young men are depressed and they don't know why, and
they can't function and they don't know why, and they're
angry and they're sad and they're all of that disappointment
and they don't know why, and it's because they're metabolically
things are so jacked up. But when they go to
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the doctor, nobody's looking. So I was talking to my
husband today, I said, you know, there we talk about
access to medical care, and most people think access means
there's not a hospital nearby, or there's not a doctor nearby,
or there's not a doctor. You don't have insurance. Access
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to medical care can also mean or the lack of
access can mean that your doctor is not allowing you
to do to get the right stuff, because if your
doctor doesn't order the right test, then you are being
denied access. So you got the insurance, you got all
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the stuff, but if I won't get the right test
for you, I am denying you access to optimal care.
And see that's a different level that we don't talk about.
That's why we have to have the conversations so people
know what to ask. Even yes, your testosterone level should
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be checked. I check it because if I don't check
it out, you're gonna know.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
And I'm so glad that you said that because for
the brothers who will own it, like you need to know. Sure,
because a lot of this depression, this aim and this
whole crash out thing that is all of a sudden
that has taken over the land, it's because some of
you need to go to the doctor and have your
test levels checked.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
Yes, and so this is why you need to know,
because a lot of things are fixable, they're reversible. But
if you don't know, it's an issue how you're going
to fix it. So if you know your testosterone is low,
or you know that your insulin is high, or you
know that your borderline diabetic. If you know that you're
now we can make adjustments. And that doesn't mean appeal.
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That means that I can advise you. And you have
a reference point. So now you can go back and
look and say, oh, okay, it's better, and you can
correlate that with how you feel. So next time you
feel that again, you think, oh, the last time I
felt this, and therefore it kind of guides you in
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the direction that you need to go.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
Yeah. Yeah, this conversation UJIL is so rich and I
know that it's going to help many and also what
it has really challenged me to do since coming to
your office in December is also looking for fools that
help with my mind. Yeah, especially in this work, talking
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to people, hearing stories and thinking about food that helped
me to perform better mentally, Yes, to help me to
be cognitively. You know what I'm saying strong, strong alert.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
There are certain things and I say this, I teach
a class, and I teach the class. It's a weight loss,
but it's not really lack.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
You know.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
In order to give people to listen, you got to
talk about weight loss, so you just do. I'm not
gonna if I said, oh, I have a metabolic well
in this class, I'd just be sitting up in there,
me and my stage. You know, just ain't nobody coming.
But if I say I'm going to tell you how
to lose weight, and then they come and I say,
I told you how to lose weight, I'm gonna tell
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you how to lose weight, but first we're gonna talk
about getting metabolically well. And then I start telling them
this is how you eat, the way that you eat
your food, the order you know, we talked about that,
the order that you eat your food matters. How long
you fast matters. So there's so much information out there
that people hear, Oh I hear that fast and is
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a good thing. Oh no, I hear the fasting is bad.
They don't know what to do. When you have a
relationship with a physician that you trust and who is
well informed, not only can I tell you, but I
can tell you the science. Yes, I can tell you why.
I can tell you why that matters. I can tell
you why you need to make sure that you eat.
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You know, you have something acidic so you may eat
a vinagrette dressing on top of your stuff first, and
you start with your vegetables, and then you do your protein,
and you do all of that, and then by the
time you finish all that, if you want to have
some you have it. At the very end you process
it differently.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
So I can tell you those things so that you
are able to really go through what it is you
need to know. So not only do you consume the
best food, but you get the optimum benefit from it
when you consume it.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
Critical y'all better run this podcast number. This episode number
is up because we are sick as a people. We are,
and I know that it is connected to our mental health.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
Oh, no doubt about it. I just did a class
a couple of weeks ago at Harvard Metabolic Wellness and
there was a section about metabolic well being and mental health.
Well now we are studying the connection. Yes, there are
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people who have diabetes have more depression, people who have
heart disease have more depression and anxiety. People who have
schizophrenia have more obesity. I mean, the numbers go on
and on and on. The question is and the errors
go in both directions, so one feeds the other. So
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if you understand that while I'm anxious or I'm depressed,
I may not be able to completely fix it. But
if I know that the way I eat changes it,
then I can eat in that way. And then when
you add exercise, because you know, I'm sure you have
to exercise for your mental well being, not just for
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what you look like, because if you don't exercise, you
don't feel mentally good. So when you know, when you
put all the pieces together, and then you add your
counseling and your therapy and you do all of the
things that you need to do, you can get yourself
back to wellness. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
Man, this is so good now, Doctor Jill. You know,
we talk about healing, and you recently went through a
journey yourself personally past couple of years, and you know,
I know you shared a little bit about about it
with me. What was that like for you personally to
go through your own journey and to navigate through that.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
So, you know, several things that have happened to My
children always said to me, Mom, me unique counselor. And
I've done counseling probably five times over the course of
my years. Because I was sitting back there thinking about it,
I think that I'm at a stage in my life
where I had made the decision that I want to
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be well, and so I want to be physically well,
mentally well, all of those things for a number of reasons.
One is I'm at a one in my life that
I want to live life fully. The other thing is this,
(38:05):
I feel an urgency to be able to tell people
how to be well. Yes, and because I was so overweight,
I was physically overweight and also mentally overweight. I think
that people couldn't hear me because they could see me,
(38:29):
and so in order to fix to be able to
offer information in a way that people could hear me,
I had to first fix me. And so I was
really I've been working for the last two and a
half years really trying to learn the information so that
(38:50):
I could fix me, so that I can lead other people.
You know, they say, never leave folks somewhere you had
been yourself. I could lead people to what healing looks like.
So that's I'm really I'm feeling good about that.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
Yeah, look amazing, Thank you.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
I think I feel kind of cute too.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
Hey, Mark, I ain't say nothing. Listen listen. David Battle
was fertin than a state. Listen David Battle's slow Baby Mark,
I got you, I got you, Good brothers, I got you,
good brothers.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
It was it was fun, but just trying to be well, behold,
be physically well, be strong. What I decided was it's like,
I will not be seventy and sick because there's a
thing that happens for African American men. There was you
can look this up. The time when African American men
(39:53):
start to get sick is in their late forties, early fifties.
They started dropping dead and their fifties. Just think about
I mean that, you know dead. You know, your hear's like,
oh my god, he dropped me, and it starts and
you think what in the world, and then they just
start dropping dead. So that's why you don't know very
(40:13):
many African American women that are pasted a certain age.
They were married, but their husband's been gone. They've been gone,
they've been gone, they've been widdled. You know, she's in
her sixties, seventies, she's been a widow for twenty years,
you know. So I made the decision that I was
going to make sure and for women by the time
(40:36):
we go through menopause and then by the time we
hit that seventy ish, that's when you know you start
needing your stuff. Replace your knees, your hips. You can't
go up and down the stairs, you can't down your shoes,
you can't all of that. And so I was like,
that's not gonna be me. I want to be able
to move around in my body. So having control of
(40:57):
your body, maintaining your lean muscle mass, this is stuff
we don't talk about. So if you're able to maintain
your lean muscle mass, your longevity is increased. Wow, because
you're less likely to fall and break aheap. You're able
to keep going and keep functioning. So that was really
(41:18):
important to me to be strong, to be able to
be where I could tell people this, to keep my
brain because there's a lot of stuff in here a
lot of years and so I wanted to be able
to continue to access it so I could share it
with the world.
Speaker 1 (41:34):
Oh that's so good. So you can be able to.
Speaker 2 (41:38):
Access it, because if it's in there, you can tell nobody.
Speaker 1 (41:43):
I'm going to sit again to be able to access
what is in your brain. And I'm sitting here thinking
about the number of people who are not able to access.
Speaker 2 (41:53):
It excess it. When you lose your brain, you lose
your life. It didn't matter if I was a great doctor.
If I can't remember, it doesn't matter if I have
people who love me. If I can't remember, what is that?
(42:14):
And we know that much of that has to do
with trauma. It's physiological, it's biological, it's environmental, yes, not
just environmental, what chemicals? But where did you grow up?
Speaker 1 (42:30):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (42:32):
What happened? What happened when your dad left? What did
you feel? You know? All of that, all of that matters.
And so as we work through all of it, then
our brains stay well and we can remember the list
we've lived until we transition.
Speaker 1 (42:54):
Oh man, that's so beautiful. And as you were talking,
I'm sitting here thinking how I grew up in Mississippi,
and I'm sitting and thinking like where we grew up
at and just the sadness that is over the people,
(43:16):
the sadness that is over the the community. And I
think about my father because he's still passing and still doing.
You know, he's sixty six, but I think about how
(43:36):
he's aging. And I'll look at people like you and
look at your husband Mark, and like you guys look
like you're aging backwards. And you start to look at
you know, different people in different age groups, and you
don't compare, but you begin to access what is different
(43:58):
in their lives.
Speaker 2 (44:00):
What does that look like? Were the choices that I made? Yes,
I had the opportunity. I was in a green room
and there was a lady in the green room who
is one hundred and five. She's about to be one
hundred and five, and so the other ladies who in
the green room said to her, what did you do
(44:22):
to get to be this old? What were the things
that you And the person who was with her said, oh,
people asked her all the time. She said, there wasn't
anything that she did in particular. And I said to her,
I don't know what you did. I want to know
what you didn't do. And she gave me twenty minutes
(44:43):
of what she did not do. Wow, And I thought,
that's what we need to know. Yes, she said, baby,
I don't eat stuff that come out of cans, and
I don't eat stuff that you know all this process
she went in, she said, And so I read years
go to this aluminum and stuff, and that can affect
your brain. I stop using aluminum and she I mean,
(45:07):
she told me all of the stuff that we have
science for. Yes, she gave it all all to me.
You are correct. You can look at examples. Yes, and
look how people age. You know, we saw I saw
the Clark's sisters the other night, and you know, they
are grown, fully grown. Their voices are magical. And I
(45:33):
was sitting there and I thought about Whitney Houston, and
I thought about how her voice was amazing, and how
in her forties she struggled with her voice. Well, it's
public knowledge, what you know, the troubles and things that
she went through. And then I heard these women and
I thought, that's the difference. The difference is how do
(45:55):
you handle the gift of health? What do you do
with that?
Speaker 1 (46:03):
How do you handle the give of health? Oh? Man,
that so I see, Oh Jesus, that that is. That's
so layered. Yeah, because if you're not healthy, you can't
carry out whatever he's giving you, any of it.
Speaker 2 (46:23):
If you're an entrepreneur, if you go down, the vision
goes down. If you're a father, if you go down,
all of the fathering you were gonna do for your
child is gone. Somebody else can come up and they
can pick up the slack. But they're not gonna give
them what you were gonna give them. Critical, so critical,
(46:50):
we just don't think about it.
Speaker 1 (46:53):
Man. You doctor Ju, you have just given such a
wealth of information. And as you were talking, I began
to think about my grandmother, and I credit her for
much of what I've become today because she spoke it
in me. She used to call me doctor J as
a kid, as a walk in the house, doctor J.
(47:16):
And I said, my grandmother when she passed me, and
her was close. She used to write me letters every
month in college and she's a put one hundred dollars
bill in there from her Social Security check. And she
was vegetarian. Yeah, And I used to be like, Grandma,
you gonna used to meet boy, ain't eight me since
(47:37):
seventy five? Yes, when she died, she did not have
gray hair or any wrinkles. Skin looked like you or
she was eighty. She only passed because she had a
broken heart because my grandfather died first and she died
a year later. She walked every day, she did yoga. Yeah,
(48:01):
and I begin as you were talking. I began, and
she was so health conscious and she would be like baby,
she will cook it but she would never eat it. Yeah,
she will cook these big meals for everybody, and they'd
be like, Grandma, you gonna eat Oh no, baby, I
don't do no meat. She'd get her little rice and
beans and veggies. And I thought of I said, man, Grandma.
(48:25):
I was telling my sister, I keep pictures of her,
and I said, man, Grandma didn't have no wrinkles. The
elasticity in her skin was still there. And as you
were talking, I'm just thinking about how she stood to
give a help health.
Speaker 2 (48:42):
Yeah, because you know, you know all of us are
going to eventually leave this life. I mean, you know
it's inevitable. But don't you want to live up until
the very last minute and then go to bed and die.
I want when I die people to say what she gone?
I saw it last week. She was looking so good.
(49:04):
You know. I do not want to be ill for
ten fifteen years, because many people who are Christians will say, oh,
well I'm gonna die. You know the Lord say the
day you got it? You know that. They But okay,
so what if I don't take care of my stuff
and I'm here for twenty more years Because it wasn't
(49:24):
my time to die exactly. So is that what I want?
I mean, we have to think about that. You want
to be well, You want to be well up until
the moment you transition.
Speaker 1 (49:37):
And I'm sitting there thinking about how the lady was
talking about the pigs and how happy they are in
this environment and they make sure they're able to run
and be free up until their day, you know, to leave,
and just how powerful that is if we can begin
to steward our health in that way, in that way,
(49:59):
to seek more joy and to seek more happiness, and
to free ourselves by creating an environment of wellness through
the ways that we eat, the ways that we connect,
because I really believe doctor Jill that this food it
is determining how we even interact with each other. I've
(50:19):
never seen such angry people.
Speaker 2 (50:21):
That's such aggression. You know, when you come to my office,
there's always music. The colors are we have common colors.
I try to make sure it smells good. We try
to hug you and say hello when you come in.
Environment is everything. What you consume is everything, not just
(50:46):
what you eat, but what you consume. What is it
that you are taking in? When you take in goodness,
you have goodness to give and that's just the truth.
Speaker 1 (51:01):
Man. So in closing, doctor Jill, I asked every guest
this question, what is healing for you?
Speaker 2 (51:15):
Healing for me, having grown up in the sixties, it
is understanding that a little black girl like me can
really be whatever she wanted to be. Wow. I am
healed because I am. I am healed because I stand
(51:42):
and I impact people's that's healing for me.
Speaker 1 (51:47):
Wow. And now I'm sitting here, like you said, grew
up in the sixties, I'm just like.
Speaker 2 (51:53):
Wow, and just yeah, I'm grown. I'm fully grown, but
I am. And I remember when I was in first grade,
I could the schools weren't integrated yet.
Speaker 1 (52:09):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (52:09):
Yeah, yeah they were not.
Speaker 1 (52:15):
So when you think about where you are today, doctor Gill, like,
what are your thoughts of the little girl who was
in first grade at school where it's like when you
go back to that time.
Speaker 2 (52:27):
I think of my grandfather who he called me snake eye. Okay,
I don't know why, but it did. He call me
snake eye, and he told me I can be anything.
And I remember I was a little girl saying I
wanted to be a doctor, and everybody was like, no,
you don't want to be a doctor. You want to
be a nurse. Nursing is a wonderful profession, but wh
(52:48):
I can't be a doctor. And my grandfather was saying,
stop telling her that she can be whatever she wants
to be. And for Christmas he got me back then
those were the little nurse's kids. He got me the
doctor one. So I had the little thing up on
my head because it had a little yeah for that,
and I got that, and I also got the wigs
(53:09):
sit in the high hair shoes. So I was but
because you always going to be a girly girl. But
I remember my grandfather and the strength that he had
and the power that he gave me. If my grandfather
was changing the oil, I was out there handing him
the rent. If he was cutting the grass, I was
(53:32):
out there cutting the grass, and he was telling me
how to make sure I edged it right. Because what
he wanted me to feel was power. He wanted me
to know that I had power to be whatever I
wanted to be, even though I was black and a girl.
So I always think of Daddy and I always think
(53:54):
how round he would be. Oh my god, he would
be so proud of me.
Speaker 1 (54:04):
And I'm proud of doctor Jill, because you have made
an impact of my life. When I tell you out
on food processed foods. When we on the road, if
I can't get to no real food, I grab a
bag or cash.
Speaker 2 (54:18):
You yes, and you're not gonna starve to death, so
be all right and get the best you can. That's
the other thing we think we got to eat. I
got to eat something there, you know.
Speaker 1 (54:30):
Yeah, And it's just really giving me a different outlook
on aging, you know. And I'll see one of the
I was at the farmer's market yesterday buying a watermelon,
and there was a husband and wife out there, and
I just come from the gym and I always work
out in like sweats and and like sweatshirts, like I
(54:52):
like hoodies. I like to sweat. And the brother looked
at me and and I was buying something because I
was supporting that everybody's business, and he goes, he says, man,
he said, man, aren't you hot? I said no, Man,
I said, I feel good. I said I always when
I played balley, I wore long sleeves under my pants.
I said, I said, man, you gotta sweat. Man, get
them toxes at you. And he was like, man, how
(55:14):
there are some forty three he like now, he looked
like he was about probably mid early the mid thirties.
His mouth was on the floor, wow because because he
I can tell he didn't look healthy, you know. And
and he was just like, man like, so, what's the secret?
Speaker 2 (55:35):
Wow? Boom this right here? Stop eating that that you
ain't on your way in here, Go to the gym.
Speaker 1 (55:42):
Get you a hoodie too, exactly, That's what and that's what.
That's what I told him and man, and so it was.
It was crazy because he was there with his wife
and man and she was just like wow, like wow,
And I was like, let me get up out of here,
because I was starting to argue because why can't you
look at it like.
Speaker 2 (56:01):
Ma'am, don't wow any more? Stop wowing that.
Speaker 1 (56:05):
But I think we have to begin to change how
we think about ourselves, and particularly for men, because right now,
the life expectancy of a black man is sixty one
point five fifty one point five.
Speaker 2 (56:21):
You know, in this city there is there's two communities
sixty one point five and less than ten miles up
the road, it's ninety. Look it up. And the race
(56:47):
is not DNA. Because we understand that the human genome,
We're ninety nine point nine percent the same genetically. Race
is a social construct, so why is it that black
men die thirty years before some other men. We'll leave on.
Speaker 1 (57:11):
That Listen, I'm going to have CJ put some different
links on this podcast where you can connect with doctor Jill,
follow her on Instagram, and even connect with her. Listen,
(57:35):
Brothers and women, I think this is a great opportunity
for you to begin connecting back to individuals who care
about your overall wellness holistically. And that's what I love
about doctor Jill. She is not just a physician who
is going to prescribe to medicate. She's going to prescribe
(57:57):
to help you heal and to become better. Doctor Jill,
thank you again. I'm so glad that we got to
have to sit down, and I'm so glad the world
gets to hear from you because you deserve time to
be able to do what you did today, to provide insight,
provide information and knowledge, and to share your story. And
(58:18):
so I'm just thank you, just grateful that you came
to know to the healing community today to bless these people.
And I know that the women, the brothers are going
to be grateful for this because you have just given
us a wealth of information. And for those of you,
if you have not gone to the doctor this year,
my brother, please go to the doctor. Get yourself checked out, man,
(58:42):
because we need brothers here to be not just the
stables in our community, but man to be an example
of what it looks like to age well. And listen.
Until next time, remember healing is a journey and wholeness
is the destiny nation. Just here with Doctor J, a
(59:02):
production of the Black Effect Podcast Network. For more podcasts
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