August 5, 2025 • 33 mins
Dr. Jay Barnett sits down with R&B artist Kenyon Dixon for an intimate conversation on the intersection of music, masculinity, and mental health. They explore the art of slowing down in both life and creativity, the realities of being an independent artist, and the influence of social media on emotional well-being. Kenyon opens up about fatherhood, the power of community and brotherhood, and the nuanced challenges of dating as an emotionally intelligent man. The discussion offers a layered reflection on healing—not just as a destination, but as a continuous, intentional practice. Tune in and join the conversation in the socials below.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to jess Hell with Doctor J, a production of
the Black Effect podcast Network and iHeartRadio. Welcome back to
another episode with Just Hell with Doctor J. And I'm
your host, Doctor J. And listen. You can subscribe to
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also listen to Jess Here with Doctor J at the
Black Effect podcast and also on iHeart Podcasts or wherever
(00:23):
you listen to podcasts at but listen. Today, we're gonna
jump right into it. I want to welcome one of
my favorite R and B artists to the healing community,
my good brother Kenyan Dixon. Listen. If you haven't heard
this brother music, go to Apple wherever you listen to music, Spotify,
go get his album. Listen. This is this brother is
(00:44):
the R and B king to me to me, I'm
not gonna argue with you negroes. So to me to me, man,
my good brother, man, Keny're welcome man. How you doing? Brother? Man? Listen, man, listen, listen.
You have no idea, man, how honored I am to
sit down and to chop it up with you. Your
Deluxe Apples is probably one of my favorite RF albums.
(01:05):
Everybody know. I listen to it every day love on replay,
that's my jam. Like I was in the Ober Yeah, yeah,
I was playing on when I walked in Man. So, uh,
you know, just just here with doctor j Man is
really a space where I sit down and talk with
individuals about their healing journey, mental health, uh, just a
(01:25):
life journey. And I just want to start with with
with you. As I ask every guest, how are you feeling, brother.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
I'm feeling good man, pacing myself. Got a got a
lot going right now, a lot of anticipation for things,
so I know that's an.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Easy anxiety trigger. So I've been super.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Mindful that, just making sure I'm like in the moment
and not feeling like I got a rush, but leaning
into the fact that I'm prepared for all of these
things and that yeah, man, I'm feeling great.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Sons out man, listen, you listen when you hear me,
he was like, Jay, I hope you out here enjoined
this la weather Manie, this is beautiful weather Man. I
love what you said about pace, and I want to
pause right there because pace is not something that a
lot of us know how to do, and particularly for men,
(02:18):
and I'll say for black men, because there is this
anxiety to today there is this pressure to be there's
this pressure to perform and to provide. And I love
what you said is that I'm leaning into being present,
(02:40):
but I'm prepared for everything that's coming. And I think, brother,
that's so powerful because to truly understand what healing is
is also to understand what pace is. Man and you,
as an artist who writes, who produce, who sings and
does all things, how important is paced for you?
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Crazy important?
Speaker 2 (03:08):
I think, especially as an independent artist, have to throw
that in there because I think that's a whole different
world of artistry and being a creative. But I think
the world of being an independent artist is all about
patience and just timing, and so having to understand that
and truly understanding and I just talk about understanding it,
(03:31):
living it is something that is a huge benefit in
that journey. So I've learned to pace myself and give
myself grace in room to explore and pivot in real time,
because if not, you'll be disappointed pretty often.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
I think, even like considering the social factor.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Of it all, we have social media, and every day
we're online, we're looking at finished products of everything.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
Nobody's saying the process. So yeah, careful.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
I think it's easy to adapt his mindset that you
immediately get to the goal and don't have to do
any work. I think that it's a you know, just
being mindful of pacing and patience.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
That's good.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
It's extremely that's good.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
That's good. And I love how you brought those two together,
I think, and I think they work in tandem because
because on patience, it's it's it's understanding how to wait,
and pace is the rhythm in which you wait. That's real,
you know what I mean? And so I love that
part of it. And as an independent artist, how important
(04:38):
is your mental health? Can you?
Speaker 3 (04:40):
Extremely important?
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Man? We just as a you take on so many
roles as an independent artist that aren't typical for for
most artists. You do so many things as an independent creative.
I won't even make it specific to being an artist,
but just as an entrepreneur or any type of independent creative,
you're you're typically having to do U play a lot
more roles than you would if you had proper resources.
(05:05):
And so I think, uh yeah, just doing everything independently,
you just want to prevent yourself from being overwhelmed, because
I think when you become overwhelmed, You get in the
way of your.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
Progress and your process, and you start.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
To lose how I talked about preparation earlier. You you
kind of forget that you were prepared for some of
these things. Isn't there all happening at once? I think
it's tough to see them for what they are. Instead,
you just you know, feel like Steph is poberwing man.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Listen, listen you you you're doing a lot of tandem, uh,
you know, dancing with the words. And I love that because, uh, process,
you know, and progress. Man. Again, I think they work
in tandem, right, I mean, because the process is you're in,
you know, the crux of it, and then you have
(05:54):
the progression of it is the flow of it, you know.
And so when when you think about that, and I
would love to stay right there, man, because there's so
many people that are in the creative space that I
have provided therapy for. They're overwhelmed. And they're overwhelmed not
only just by the many hass that they have to wear,
(06:17):
sometimes they're overwhelmed by the gift. Yeah, because sometimes the
gift can feel so heavy, and you have the gift
as a artist knowing what to say, when to say
it and how to say it? What is your process
when you because if I'm and I'm just having a
(06:38):
fan moment. When I listened to Deluxe right and I
listened to that album, that album has such a flow
from the start to finish, what was your process as
you laid the tracks and if you could, what was
your mental state as you were in that process? And
I love listen kid, I love how you're taking these breaths. Yeah,
(07:01):
because yeah, I love that bad.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
I think with my music in general, I've really, I
finally fully understand and nobody other than God, nobody knows
more about my gift than me because I so I
think when it comes to the music and everything that
I put out, I trust myself and the amount of
time that it takes because I feel like I know
(07:25):
better than anybody else, and I think that that's the
reason why it's effective to other people.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
And let me yet interject, how did you learn how
to trust yourself?
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Feeling trial and error, just doing things that I thought
worked and sometimes they did, sometimes they they didn't, and
you just kind of take the median of that and
you find your your formula.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Yeah, Well, when you found your formula was that healing
for you.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
In a way. It gave me a deeper level of understanding.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
But it also gives you a deeper sense of purpose,
which then as more responsibility on top of what you doing.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Ooh man, because everybody is always looking for purpose, but
nobody realized the responsibility that comes with purpose. It's heavy
because the responsibility to not just work in it and
operate it, but it's to sustain it. Yeah, And I'm
gonna just let that sit as to how do you
sustain purpose when it's heavy? And I couldn't imagine as
(08:32):
an artist, And I know I've written four books and
currently writing the fifth one, and I look at it
the same thing, because to be able to create art
from words and to take the words of your art
and to create songs, that responsibility. At times scenes waited
because it's like, dang, I got to write something else. Well,
I got to put out another album. Do you ever
(08:53):
feel that pressure?
Speaker 3 (08:56):
I do. I do feel that, especially.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
When you get a certain type of reception to what
you're putting out. And I think the type of music
I make is there's a like a longing for it.
It's not it's not what's popular.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
In the space.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
So I think there's an extra layer of pressure there
because people are always waiting for that because they don't
they don't get you from anybody else, you know what
I mean. So that does, yeah, that that can become
become pretty stressful. But again in those moments, I just
lean back into understanding that the reason is so effective
(09:36):
is because I trust myself and I don't.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
Rust my process.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
And man, Man, even as you're sitting here, I sense
this element of ease that a lot of brothers don't have.
I've set with many brothers and you can feel the weight.
You can feel the anxiety. You can also feel the
fear and not saying fear as they're afraid of us,
(10:04):
but you can feel the fear of like, man, I
don't know what's going to happen with my life. I
don't know what life is going to bring. And then
sometimes you can also feel the confusion because brothers haven't
discovered their purpose and they haven't discovered the responsibility that
we have with carrying the weight of what God has
(10:24):
placed on us. And I think that it's so powerful
because for so many men. This is why I created
this space so brothers can see you and because oftentimes
we're looking at the artists, we're looking at the actor,
we're looking at the CEO, and we don't get to
have these conversations with them of what their process is
(10:47):
because we're seeing a finished product.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Now I follow you on ig and you express a
lot through your your clothes, your fashion, your daughter, all
those different things. And I can tell there's days where
because and that's just who I am. I could tell
days you just like man, I'm just posing because it's
just what I got to do, you know what I mean.
(11:12):
It's just part of the in the same way with me.
When you when you take the social media, what is
your approach as an artist to sort of safeguard your mental.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
I really look at social media for what it is,
which is just a tool to promote in showcase your art.
I think I'm disassociated from it being like real life.
It's just it's literally just a promotional too. And so
I think when you understand that it helps. Where's where
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you have to guard yourself though, is considering how anything
could be triggering. As soon as you open it up.
You don't know what you're going to see. Man, you
have no come over that, and it could literally be
the one thing that you were hoping that you didn't
see that day that could you spiral, you know. So
I'm just uh, I've kind of created this boundary between
(12:11):
social media to where you know, I share what I
want to.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
Share and you can.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
You can be exposed to things and not like digest
it and take it in. And I think that that's
something that I've started to understand. Everything you see doesn't
require energy. Sometimes you just keep scrolling. And that's also
like applicable in life though exactly, Like you know, you
encounter a lot of people in a lot of situations
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that just.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Out of.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Out of religion almost you feel like you have to
engage and you don't. And that's something that that I've
learned when it comes to social media that has helped
me keep my mental health intact.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Yeah, and particularly like because like and I've even noticed
for you you showcase your daughter in certain moments.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Absolutely, man, there are a lot of like crazy people
out here, and so yeah, when it comes to just
your children and like like social media, social media is
not parenting my child.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
So I think that that that's also.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
We live in a you know, society where people love input,
they love to feel like they have influence over things.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
It doesn't reach into my household.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
So I'm very mindful to make sure that this for
her is also just a tool or something that's fun
if she decides to engage with it, but it has
no influence in.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
Our you know, real life.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Yeah, and that's and it's profound to hear a black father,
black man, and a man of your caliber to say
social media is not parenting my child. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Man, I know it's a popular opinion, but.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
It needs to be popular though.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
Yeah. I agree, man, Yeah, and I have I have
a great uh.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Village of like my brotherhood is strong with my you know,
all my my bros, our fathers, we kind of all
adapt that same mindset. So it's kind of easy to
uphold in my circle because you know, we all are
actively taking care of our kids and making sure that
they're experiencing like an actual reality and not just like
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augmented experience based on what happens online.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
Yeah. Man, that's powerful.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
And and.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
Your brotherhood how important is that for you? I know,
for men man, my brothers, that's everything. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
It saves my life, man, we talk about it all
the time. But I'm grateful to have have the men
in my life that I have and the brotherhood that
we have. Because there's one thing I learned about accountability
is that you you have different you have to have
different levels of it. And to be a man, you
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also have to have that mirror and people who can
see you and meet you where exactly where you are,
you know, And so that has been a lifesaver. Things
that you know, just as an artist, uh, you know online,
Like I said, I've I've learned to disassociate myself from it.
But online is a tough space for creatives. You have
so many unwarranted opinions and just things that come from
(15:28):
bad places for no reason. And so any I we
kind of just send stuff back and forth. And there
for sure been times where I may have wanted to
respond to something or like, you know what I mean,
you just hit the chat.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
Get it out there. Yeah, keep you from yeah, you know,
from just saying some stuff you might great. So yeah,
I'm grateful for it.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
Man, Yeah, because because sometimes what I say is for
us as brothers, it is being able to look to
the side of you and know that there's somebody standing
next to you. Because for us as men and when
we're building. We build shoulder to shoulder, not face to face.
(16:12):
So when I can stand shoulder to shoulder with you,
I am now taking the responsibility to guard the side
that I'm standing on. And I think the more men
have that, we're going to see men expand emotionally because
I can always tell a brother who don't have a
lot of friends, like when I when I when I
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hear dudes like nigga, it's just me, you know what
I'm saying, Bro, Like I don't deal with nobody. Bro,
It's just me. I solo yolo, And I'm like, you
won't be here for low. Get somebody man like you
like you. You got to have somebody. You need community
for the brothers that are watching, Brother, you need community.
The worst place for a man to be left is
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left alone with his thoughts. Because if your thoughts are unhealthy,
your thoughts of unproductive, and your thoughts are not moving
you toward something greater than yourself, You're gonna find yourself
succumbing to those thoughts. Yeah, you know, And I loved
that for you. Just as as a father and as
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a brother, I want to ask you this, as a
father who has a daughter, how has that changed you
as a man a lot.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
It has changed me a lot, man. I didn't realize
it until I was like in the thick of parenting.
I didn't realize how much it healed me as well.
I lost my father like early on, and my mother
raised six of us who were in the house together
by herself. And so I think you don't realize, and
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you know, part of it may be ego, every man
would like to think that he has the tools to
figure out whatever he needs to without consulting anybody else,
So you don't realize how that lack of a father
figure affects you. For me, I didn't realize it until
I started parenting, because I thought, you know, I'm pretty
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level headed, and you know, I know how to listen
and you know, exchange correctly. And I started to recognize
a lot of just things I would seeing her just
started to like bring back different instances and feelings that
I had as a child, And by being able to
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guard and work her through her feelings correctly, it was
it was like healing for me because I was able
to explore those parts that I didn't really know existed,
or at least that I thought I had worked through
and yeah, really confront them and figure out what was
happening through me being the father I desired for her.
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So yeah, it really good a lot.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
Because sometimes there are parts of us that are unconsciously exhibiting,
parts that are unhealed. And sometimes I tell parents, sometimes
you get healed through the children. Yeah, a lot of times,
you know what I mean. And the children now become
(19:21):
a conduit to where they're bringing healing. The healing is
coming through them to you. That's also restoring the little boy,
the little girl, you know in those spaces and the
moment that you recognize that there were parts of you
being healed through your daughter, what was that like? Man?
Speaker 2 (19:44):
It was an incredible feeling. It also goes back into
that space of responsibility because then it made me become
like hyper conscious of everything I did. And you know,
having a little girl and she's extremely into what is
and also like very sensitive and just it it made
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me be intentional about my every interaction with her because
I think I've I begin to understand that I'm beginning
to understand.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
That she's she's just like.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Wise beyond her years, beyond her years, but in a
way to where like you think about a child, and
sometimes you talk to them or you communicate in a
way that because you think they don't understand you're just
a child. And I'm starting to realize now that she
understands a lot more than I thought.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Yeah, so it pulls us out as Google guys, guy
like you know, yeah, yeah, that is some way. It
kind of increase your own awareness and self.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
Oh yeah, yeah, it spreads for sure and kind of
triggers all of the rest of your interactions. Because that
has made me mindful, I'll say the reason it has
made me mindful and the reason it triggers your interactions
because when you're an active parent, that is your constant.
So I think wherever you are practicing who you are
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that is gonna change, and it should affect how you
communicate with other people. So because I brought clarity to
the way that I communicated and interacted with her, naturally,
it made me be hyper aware when I'm talking to
other people, and I listened differently and I paid attention
differently because I think also children, because by nature, there's
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a lot of stuff that they don't understand and they
don't have the same reasoning behind their actions. But that
made me now when I talk to adults, or I
see certain things that even may be offensive, My first
thought instead of speaking is now to try and understand,
like why why do I think you did that? Or
like what's the pattern here? You know that I can
(21:58):
pick up answer yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
And I think that there's a level of consciousness that
comes from you know, I have three nieces and two
nephews and what I've learned from being around them, and
they're very aware of what I do and their uncle. Like,
if you ask them, what is your aful do they'd
be like, oh, he heals people, you know, But then
they'll be quick to tell you. My niece said kids
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will come up to her and start talking about their problem.
She'd be like, I'm not your therapist. Might need to
call it my uncle. Yeah, but there's a level of
awareness that I think if more adults could lean into
not just the children, but the inner child in them,
it also awakened. As you said, there's some triggering, because
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there would be some triggers because if you're giving something
to your daughter or son that you didn't have, there's
also parts of you that are more the absence of man.
I'm being a dad who's present and my dad left me,
or I'm being a mom who's present and my mom
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never was emotionally available, And I think, you know, if
we can lean into those spaces with children. Like when
I started practicing, I only wanted to work with children
and teens. And all of my classmates and colleagues was like, well,
why do you want to work with teens? I said,
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my understanding. My theory that if you work with teens
and work with kids, you can quickly identify the kids
and adults because most adults are just big kids that
are having a crisis or a temperatantrum. That's what it is.
Because when they come in and they sit down on
the couch, Man, I'm sitting down with a couple. It's
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not the couple. It's the two kids that are fighting.
But it's the adults that are having a disagreement. But
it's the kids who are having the issue. Because when
you leave or you say hey, I can't take this conversation,
the more the little kid says, oh, they're gonna leave
and feel abandoned.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
But and because the little kids are always trying to
protect themselves, you know which we get fight or flight.
But I love, man, your level of awareness and just
even how you're speaking about how your daughter has elevated
that for you. Now I gotta ask you, know, you
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brought R and B back, brother, You say that, man,
you brought R and B back because you resuscitated us
because it was dead. When it comes to like, you know,
dating love, like you know, having a daughter, how do
you balance that or even if you are I know,
for me, o'ur disclosed. I feel like as a man,
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the more we expand emotionally, it becomes harder to date
because you begin to disern and I'm sure some of
you guys, some of you lady's probably gonna, you know,
gonna have to you know, clutch your pearls. But you
begin to desern that a lot of women are not
as emotionally evolved as they think they are. They have
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just been dealing with men who are emotionally incompetent. So
when I meet a brother like you just sat here,
you just tandem you what you talked about, uh, patience
and process. Then you talk about process and progress or
patient and pace. That's what it was. Yeah, that's not normal.
(25:35):
They used to do like you know what I'm saying,
Like you know, like like what the vibe for the night,
dud Dude? How was that for you? Man?
Speaker 3 (25:43):
It's been cool.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
Man. I think I'm gonna I'm in a space of
just enjoying myself. I think that's that's another thing having
having uh children teaches you to just be president and
live in a moment. And I think, uh, you know,
in dating, whether it's you know, even if you're in
a relationship, I think there's still space for living in
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a moment.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
And so yeah, I think.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
It's it's a it can be a tough space to
navigate because I think that everybody has a different level
of awareness and different intentions. And I always say I
think people people no longer want to take the time
to get to know somebody. What we talked about. When
it comes to process, nobody wants that process. We want
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to go straight to whatever the goal is, whatever the
culture is that we have in our head. We tend
to disregard the things that we see from people that
disqualify them from what we want because we want that
thing so bad that we're not willing to pivot in
real time when it's you know, And there's two sides
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to that, because sometimes what you want is not necessarily
specifically what's best for you, so you may have room
to be accepting of some different behaviors that may challenge
you in a good way to want.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
Better for yourself exactly.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
So, Yeah, I think just being open opening in that moment,
and I want to be as open and honest and
loving and understanding as possible, because I'm also having to
teach a child what to expect when they get into
this space. And so I think being my healthiest self
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in all of these spaces, but especially a space that
essential around love is important because you know the people
around you are very impressionable, especially children.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
That you're rasing.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Yeah, And that's such an innocence with children that we
have to really provide a level of care and protect
and guard. Yeah, because most of us, if we're dealing
with trauma, it's because our innocence what's compromises. And and
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I love that you are guarding that in such a
way to where you're allowing her to see the reality
of life and also the reality of you as a man.
I always ask every guest it's Kenyan. The show is
titled just Here with Doctor J and this question. I
love to see the response of people when I ask
(28:22):
this question, and I'll asks it to you. What does
healing means to you?
Speaker 3 (28:29):
What does healing mean? That's a layer.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
It's layer because I don't feel like there is like
a standing definition, because I think healing has to be
adaptable as you change, so it really depends on It's
a like an ever moving goal and you can't really
hit it as long as you're alive because there's always
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something that you're having to work through.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
But I think.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
In theory, healing is really finding our art, getting back
to your yourself, whatever that may mean to you. And
and that's why I say I think it's it's not
like one definition because somebody's definition of healing could be
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completely left based.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
On what they what they desire, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
But I think healing may if if we look at
it from a spiritual perspective.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
I think it's just getting back to.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Who who God says you are, because I think there's
who you think you are, and then there's who you're
actually called to be that you've been since you've existed,
and so I think it.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
May be a matter of just finding that that innocence again.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
At what I'm hearing you it said. What I'm hearing
you say is that healing is really getting back to
the place before you experienced pain.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
It's a good way to put it.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, And it's not it's not it's
not a linear it's not a linear process. A lot of
a lot of curve balls, man. But yeah, I think
I will say that that's what it is because you
really do spend your it's really getting to be more specific,
it's getting back to yourself before you understood choice.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
Because I believe that choices for life all became complicated.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
Should work.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
Yeah, yeah, y'all.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
Yeah, you know, I heard a I overheard a guy
talking like it's may been like years ago, and I
was just intrigued. He was talking about how he was
kind of making a comparison from like humans to like
animals in the way of they only know their purpose.
So he's like a bird just nose to fly that
(30:57):
on second gas anything Like a he knows to go
get the honey and like but as humans, we've developed choice,
so now we have these obstacles that were not meant
to be in our way because we always wonder if
there's something else we should be doing, or like you know.
So I think healing speaks to getting back to that
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place like pre choice and just pre you know, pre
complication and just being able to be free.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Man. I love that healing is just being able to
be free, my brother. I could sit here man and
man and just bro converse with you. Man. Brother, I
just want to say, Man, thank you for not just
your gift, but thank you for who you are as
a person.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
I appreciate for what you.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
Put out into the world. It's just an extension that
you get to that we get to experience you through
your music. But today I just got to experience the man.
And I just want to say, brother, from the bottom
of heart, thank you for taking out the time man too,
to come to the healing community. Man, and for us, Man,
there isn't a designated place. We just pull up anywhere. Yeah,
(32:06):
wherever were at. It's the community, you know what I mean.
So Brother, I just want to wish Man you much
success and that God keeps his hand on your journey,
keeps his hand on you, and that everything you touched
prosper man. And that's my prayer for you. Brother. Sure, yes, absolutely, Man.
Listen y'all y'all know, like I hate to cut these
(32:27):
conversations short. I hear so many of you are saying, like,
Doctor J, can you make these interviews longer? Talk to
a cursion my producer. I'm trying to push him and
make them longer, but he's sitting over here doing this
and doing all that. But anyway, we got to get
my good brother Kenyon out of here. Listen, go follow
Kenyon Dixon, Go grab all of his album, his music.
(32:47):
This brother here is R and B. That's all I'm
gonna say. He's R and B man. I mean he eats,
breathe sleep, R and B. His presence is R and B.
I mean this guy's love man. And I just enjoyed
my time spending with him today. I just want to
encourage you. Go and subscribe. Don't just come to the
healing community, be a part of it. Subscribe to Just
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Welcome to jess Hell with Doctor J, a production of
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another episode with Just Hell with Doctor J. And I'm
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you listen to podcasts at but listen. Today, we're gonna
jump right into it. I want to welcome one of
my favorite R and B artists to the healing community,
my good brother Kenyan Dixon. Listen. If you haven't heard
this brother music, go to Apple wherever you listen to music, Spotify,
go get his album. Listen. This is this brother is
(00:44):
the R and B king to me to me, I'm
not gonna argue with you negroes. So to me to me, man,
my good brother, man, Keny're welcome man. How you doing? Brother? Man? Listen, man, listen, listen.
You have no idea, man, how honored I am to
sit down and to chop it up with you. Your
Deluxe Apples is probably one of my favorite RF albums.
(01:05):
Everybody know. I listen to it every day love on replay,
that's my jam. Like I was in the Ober Yeah, yeah,
I was playing on when I walked in Man. So, uh,
you know, just just here with doctor j Man is
really a space where I sit down and talk with
individuals about their healing journey, mental health, uh, just a
(01:25):
life journey. And I just want to start with with
with you. As I ask every guest, how are you feeling, brother.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
I'm feeling good man, pacing myself. Got a got a
lot going right now, a lot of anticipation for things,
so I know that's an.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Easy anxiety trigger. So I've been super.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Mindful that, just making sure I'm like in the moment
and not feeling like I got a rush, but leaning
into the fact that I'm prepared for all of these
things and that yeah, man, I'm feeling great.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Sons out man, listen, you listen when you hear me,
he was like, Jay, I hope you out here enjoined
this la weather Manie, this is beautiful weather Man. I
love what you said about pace, and I want to
pause right there because pace is not something that a
lot of us know how to do, and particularly for men,
(02:18):
and I'll say for black men, because there is this
anxiety to today there is this pressure to be there's
this pressure to perform and to provide. And I love
what you said is that I'm leaning into being present,
(02:40):
but I'm prepared for everything that's coming. And I think, brother,
that's so powerful because to truly understand what healing is
is also to understand what pace is. Man and you,
as an artist who writes, who produce, who sings and
does all things, how important is paced for you?
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Crazy important?
Speaker 2 (03:08):
I think, especially as an independent artist, have to throw
that in there because I think that's a whole different
world of artistry and being a creative. But I think
the world of being an independent artist is all about
patience and just timing, and so having to understand that
and truly understanding and I just talk about understanding it,
(03:31):
living it is something that is a huge benefit in
that journey. So I've learned to pace myself and give
myself grace in room to explore and pivot in real time,
because if not, you'll be disappointed pretty often.
Speaker 3 (03:50):
I think, even like considering the social factor.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Of it all, we have social media, and every day
we're online, we're looking at finished products of everything.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
Nobody's saying the process. So yeah, careful.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
I think it's easy to adapt his mindset that you
immediately get to the goal and don't have to do
any work. I think that it's a you know, just
being mindful of pacing and patience.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
That's good.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
It's extremely that's good.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
That's good. And I love how you brought those two together,
I think, and I think they work in tandem because
because on patience, it's it's it's understanding how to wait,
and pace is the rhythm in which you wait. That's real,
you know what I mean? And so I love that
part of it. And as an independent artist, how important
(04:38):
is your mental health? Can you?
Speaker 3 (04:40):
Extremely important?
Speaker 2 (04:41):
Man? We just as a you take on so many
roles as an independent artist that aren't typical for for
most artists. You do so many things as an independent creative.
I won't even make it specific to being an artist,
but just as an entrepreneur or any type of independent creative,
you're you're typically having to do U play a lot
more roles than you would if you had proper resources.
(05:05):
And so I think, uh yeah, just doing everything independently,
you just want to prevent yourself from being overwhelmed, because
I think when you become overwhelmed, You get in the
way of your.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
Progress and your process, and you start.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
To lose how I talked about preparation earlier. You you
kind of forget that you were prepared for some of
these things. Isn't there all happening at once? I think
it's tough to see them for what they are. Instead,
you just you know, feel like Steph is poberwing man.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Listen, listen you you you're doing a lot of tandem, uh,
you know, dancing with the words. And I love that because, uh, process,
you know, and progress. Man. Again, I think they work
in tandem, right, I mean, because the process is you're in,
you know, the crux of it, and then you have
(05:54):
the progression of it is the flow of it, you know.
And so when when you think about that, and I
would love to stay right there, man, because there's so
many people that are in the creative space that I
have provided therapy for. They're overwhelmed. And they're overwhelmed not
only just by the many hass that they have to wear,
(06:17):
sometimes they're overwhelmed by the gift. Yeah, because sometimes the
gift can feel so heavy, and you have the gift
as a artist knowing what to say, when to say
it and how to say it? What is your process
when you because if I'm and I'm just having a
(06:38):
fan moment. When I listened to Deluxe right and I
listened to that album, that album has such a flow
from the start to finish, what was your process as
you laid the tracks and if you could, what was
your mental state as you were in that process? And
I love listen kid, I love how you're taking these breaths. Yeah,
(07:01):
because yeah, I love that bad.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
I think with my music in general, I've really, I
finally fully understand and nobody other than God, nobody knows
more about my gift than me because I so I
think when it comes to the music and everything that
I put out, I trust myself and the amount of
time that it takes because I feel like I know
(07:25):
better than anybody else, and I think that that's the
reason why it's effective to other people.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
And let me yet interject, how did you learn how
to trust yourself?
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Feeling trial and error, just doing things that I thought
worked and sometimes they did, sometimes they they didn't, and
you just kind of take the median of that and
you find your your formula.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
Yeah, Well, when you found your formula was that healing
for you.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
In a way. It gave me a deeper level of understanding.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
But it also gives you a deeper sense of purpose,
which then as more responsibility on top of what you doing.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Ooh man, because everybody is always looking for purpose, but
nobody realized the responsibility that comes with purpose. It's heavy
because the responsibility to not just work in it and
operate it, but it's to sustain it. Yeah, And I'm
gonna just let that sit as to how do you
sustain purpose when it's heavy? And I couldn't imagine as
(08:32):
an artist, And I know I've written four books and
currently writing the fifth one, and I look at it
the same thing, because to be able to create art
from words and to take the words of your art
and to create songs, that responsibility. At times scenes waited
because it's like, dang, I got to write something else. Well,
I got to put out another album. Do you ever
(08:53):
feel that pressure?
Speaker 3 (08:56):
I do. I do feel that, especially.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
When you get a certain type of reception to what
you're putting out. And I think the type of music
I make is there's a like a longing for it.
It's not it's not what's popular.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
In the space.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
So I think there's an extra layer of pressure there
because people are always waiting for that because they don't
they don't get you from anybody else, you know what
I mean. So that does, yeah, that that can become
become pretty stressful. But again in those moments, I just
lean back into understanding that the reason is so effective
(09:36):
is because I trust myself and I don't.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
Rust my process.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
And man, Man, even as you're sitting here, I sense
this element of ease that a lot of brothers don't have.
I've set with many brothers and you can feel the weight.
You can feel the anxiety. You can also feel the
fear and not saying fear as they're afraid of us,
(10:04):
but you can feel the fear of like, man, I
don't know what's going to happen with my life. I
don't know what life is going to bring. And then
sometimes you can also feel the confusion because brothers haven't
discovered their purpose and they haven't discovered the responsibility that
we have with carrying the weight of what God has
(10:24):
placed on us. And I think that it's so powerful
because for so many men. This is why I created
this space so brothers can see you and because oftentimes
we're looking at the artists, we're looking at the actor,
we're looking at the CEO, and we don't get to
have these conversations with them of what their process is
(10:47):
because we're seeing a finished product.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Now I follow you on ig and you express a
lot through your your clothes, your fashion, your daughter, all
those different things. And I can tell there's days where
because and that's just who I am. I could tell
days you just like man, I'm just posing because it's
just what I got to do, you know what I mean.
(11:12):
It's just part of the in the same way with me.
When you when you take the social media, what is
your approach as an artist to sort of safeguard your mental.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
I really look at social media for what it is,
which is just a tool to promote in showcase your art.
I think I'm disassociated from it being like real life.
It's just it's literally just a promotional too. And so
I think when you understand that it helps. Where's where
(11:49):
you have to guard yourself though, is considering how anything
could be triggering. As soon as you open it up.
You don't know what you're going to see. Man, you
have no come over that, and it could literally be
the one thing that you were hoping that you didn't
see that day that could you spiral, you know. So
I'm just uh, I've kind of created this boundary between
(12:11):
social media to where you know, I share what I
want to.
Speaker 3 (12:14):
Share and you can.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
You can be exposed to things and not like digest
it and take it in. And I think that that's
something that I've started to understand. Everything you see doesn't
require energy. Sometimes you just keep scrolling. And that's also
like applicable in life though exactly, Like you know, you
encounter a lot of people in a lot of situations
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that just.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Out of.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Out of religion almost you feel like you have to
engage and you don't. And that's something that that I've
learned when it comes to social media that has helped
me keep my mental health intact.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Yeah, and particularly like because like and I've even noticed
for you you showcase your daughter in certain moments.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Absolutely, man, there are a lot of like crazy people
out here, and so yeah, when it comes to just
your children and like like social media, social media is
not parenting my child.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
So I think that that that's also.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
We live in a you know, society where people love input,
they love to feel like they have influence over things.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
It doesn't reach into my household.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
So I'm very mindful to make sure that this for
her is also just a tool or something that's fun
if she decides to engage with it, but it has
no influence in.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
Our you know, real life.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Yeah, and that's and it's profound to hear a black father,
black man, and a man of your caliber to say
social media is not parenting my child. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Man, I know it's a popular opinion, but.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
It needs to be popular though.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
Yeah. I agree, man, Yeah, and I have I have
a great uh.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Village of like my brotherhood is strong with my you know,
all my my bros, our fathers, we kind of all
adapt that same mindset. So it's kind of easy to
uphold in my circle because you know, we all are
actively taking care of our kids and making sure that
they're experiencing like an actual reality and not just like
(14:27):
augmented experience based on what happens online.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
Yeah. Man, that's powerful.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
And and.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
Your brotherhood how important is that for you? I know,
for men man, my brothers, that's everything. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
It saves my life, man, we talk about it all
the time. But I'm grateful to have have the men
in my life that I have and the brotherhood that
we have. Because there's one thing I learned about accountability
is that you you have different you have to have
different levels of it. And to be a man, you
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also have to have that mirror and people who can
see you and meet you where exactly where you are,
you know, And so that has been a lifesaver. Things
that you know, just as an artist, uh, you know online,
Like I said, I've I've learned to disassociate myself from it.
But online is a tough space for creatives. You have
so many unwarranted opinions and just things that come from
(15:28):
bad places for no reason. And so any I we
kind of just send stuff back and forth. And there
for sure been times where I may have wanted to
respond to something or like, you know what I mean,
you just hit the chat.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
Get it out there. Yeah, keep you from yeah, you know,
from just saying some stuff you might great. So yeah,
I'm grateful for it.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
Man, Yeah, because because sometimes what I say is for
us as brothers, it is being able to look to
the side of you and know that there's somebody standing
next to you. Because for us as men and when
we're building. We build shoulder to shoulder, not face to face.
(16:12):
So when I can stand shoulder to shoulder with you,
I am now taking the responsibility to guard the side
that I'm standing on. And I think the more men
have that, we're going to see men expand emotionally because
I can always tell a brother who don't have a
lot of friends, like when I when I when I
(16:32):
hear dudes like nigga, it's just me, you know what
I'm saying, Bro, Like I don't deal with nobody. Bro,
It's just me. I solo yolo, And I'm like, you
won't be here for low. Get somebody man like you
like you. You got to have somebody. You need community
for the brothers that are watching, Brother, you need community.
The worst place for a man to be left is
(16:54):
left alone with his thoughts. Because if your thoughts are unhealthy,
your thoughts of unproductive, and your thoughts are not moving
you toward something greater than yourself, You're gonna find yourself
succumbing to those thoughts. Yeah, you know, And I loved
that for you. Just as as a father and as
(17:16):
a brother, I want to ask you this, as a
father who has a daughter, how has that changed you
as a man a lot.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
It has changed me a lot, man. I didn't realize
it until I was like in the thick of parenting.
I didn't realize how much it healed me as well.
I lost my father like early on, and my mother
raised six of us who were in the house together
by herself. And so I think you don't realize, and
(17:51):
you know, part of it may be ego, every man
would like to think that he has the tools to
figure out whatever he needs to without consulting anybody else,
So you don't realize how that lack of a father
figure affects you. For me, I didn't realize it until
I started parenting, because I thought, you know, I'm pretty
(18:13):
level headed, and you know, I know how to listen
and you know, exchange correctly. And I started to recognize
a lot of just things I would seeing her just
started to like bring back different instances and feelings that
I had as a child, And by being able to
(18:35):
guard and work her through her feelings correctly, it was
it was like healing for me because I was able
to explore those parts that I didn't really know existed,
or at least that I thought I had worked through
and yeah, really confront them and figure out what was
happening through me being the father I desired for her.
(18:58):
So yeah, it really good a lot.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
Because sometimes there are parts of us that are unconsciously exhibiting,
parts that are unhealed. And sometimes I tell parents, sometimes
you get healed through the children. Yeah, a lot of times,
you know what I mean. And the children now become
(19:21):
a conduit to where they're bringing healing. The healing is
coming through them to you. That's also restoring the little boy,
the little girl, you know in those spaces and the
moment that you recognize that there were parts of you
being healed through your daughter, what was that like? Man?
Speaker 2 (19:44):
It was an incredible feeling. It also goes back into
that space of responsibility because then it made me become
like hyper conscious of everything I did. And you know,
having a little girl and she's extremely into what is
and also like very sensitive and just it it made
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me be intentional about my every interaction with her because
I think I've I begin to understand that I'm beginning
to understand.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
That she's she's just like.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Wise beyond her years, beyond her years, but in a
way to where like you think about a child, and
sometimes you talk to them or you communicate in a
way that because you think they don't understand you're just
a child. And I'm starting to realize now that she
understands a lot more than I thought.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Yeah, so it pulls us out as Google guys, guy
like you know, yeah, yeah, that is some way. It
kind of increase your own awareness and self.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
Oh yeah, yeah, it spreads for sure and kind of
triggers all of the rest of your interactions. Because that
has made me mindful, I'll say the reason it has
made me mindful and the reason it triggers your interactions
because when you're an active parent, that is your constant.
So I think wherever you are practicing who you are
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that is gonna change, and it should affect how you
communicate with other people. So because I brought clarity to
the way that I communicated and interacted with her, naturally,
it made me be hyper aware when I'm talking to
other people, and I listened differently and I paid attention
differently because I think also children, because by nature, there's
(21:36):
a lot of stuff that they don't understand and they
don't have the same reasoning behind their actions. But that
made me now when I talk to adults, or I
see certain things that even may be offensive, My first
thought instead of speaking is now to try and understand,
like why why do I think you did that? Or
like what's the pattern here? You know that I can
(21:58):
pick up answer yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
And I think that there's a level of consciousness that
comes from you know, I have three nieces and two
nephews and what I've learned from being around them, and
they're very aware of what I do and their uncle. Like,
if you ask them, what is your aful do they'd
be like, oh, he heals people, you know, But then
they'll be quick to tell you. My niece said kids
(22:21):
will come up to her and start talking about their problem.
She'd be like, I'm not your therapist. Might need to
call it my uncle. Yeah, but there's a level of
awareness that I think if more adults could lean into
not just the children, but the inner child in them,
it also awakened. As you said, there's some triggering, because
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there would be some triggers because if you're giving something
to your daughter or son that you didn't have, there's
also parts of you that are more the absence of man.
I'm being a dad who's present and my dad left me,
or I'm being a mom who's present and my mom
(23:04):
never was emotionally available, And I think, you know, if
we can lean into those spaces with children. Like when
I started practicing, I only wanted to work with children
and teens. And all of my classmates and colleagues was like, well,
why do you want to work with teens? I said,
(23:26):
my understanding. My theory that if you work with teens
and work with kids, you can quickly identify the kids
and adults because most adults are just big kids that
are having a crisis or a temperatantrum. That's what it is.
Because when they come in and they sit down on
the couch, Man, I'm sitting down with a couple. It's
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not the couple. It's the two kids that are fighting.
But it's the adults that are having a disagreement. But
it's the kids who are having the issue. Because when
you leave or you say hey, I can't take this conversation,
the more the little kid says, oh, they're gonna leave
and feel abandoned.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
But and because the little kids are always trying to
protect themselves, you know which we get fight or flight.
But I love, man, your level of awareness and just
even how you're speaking about how your daughter has elevated
that for you. Now I gotta ask you, know, you
(24:27):
brought R and B back, brother, You say that, man,
you brought R and B back because you resuscitated us
because it was dead. When it comes to like, you know,
dating love, like you know, having a daughter, how do
you balance that or even if you are I know,
for me, o'ur disclosed. I feel like as a man,
(24:49):
the more we expand emotionally, it becomes harder to date
because you begin to disern and I'm sure some of
you guys, some of you lady's probably gonna, you know,
gonna have to you know, clutch your pearls. But you
begin to desern that a lot of women are not
as emotionally evolved as they think they are. They have
(25:12):
just been dealing with men who are emotionally incompetent. So
when I meet a brother like you just sat here,
you just tandem you what you talked about, uh, patience
and process. Then you talk about process and progress or
patient and pace. That's what it was. Yeah, that's not normal.
(25:35):
They used to do like you know what I'm saying,
Like you know, like like what the vibe for the night,
dud Dude? How was that for you? Man?
Speaker 3 (25:43):
It's been cool.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
Man. I think I'm gonna I'm in a space of
just enjoying myself. I think that's that's another thing having
having uh children teaches you to just be president and
live in a moment. And I think, uh, you know,
in dating, whether it's you know, even if you're in
a relationship, I think there's still space for living in
(26:05):
a moment.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
And so yeah, I think.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
It's it's a it can be a tough space to
navigate because I think that everybody has a different level
of awareness and different intentions. And I always say I
think people people no longer want to take the time
to get to know somebody. What we talked about. When
it comes to process, nobody wants that process. We want
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to go straight to whatever the goal is, whatever the
culture is that we have in our head. We tend
to disregard the things that we see from people that
disqualify them from what we want because we want that
thing so bad that we're not willing to pivot in
real time when it's you know, And there's two sides
(26:50):
to that, because sometimes what you want is not necessarily
specifically what's best for you, so you may have room
to be accepting of some different behaviors that may challenge
you in a good way to want.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
Better for yourself exactly.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
So, Yeah, I think just being open opening in that moment,
and I want to be as open and honest and
loving and understanding as possible, because I'm also having to
teach a child what to expect when they get into
this space. And so I think being my healthiest self
(27:27):
in all of these spaces, but especially a space that
essential around love is important because you know the people
around you are very impressionable, especially children.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
That you're rasing.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Yeah, And that's such an innocence with children that we
have to really provide a level of care and protect
and guard. Yeah, because most of us, if we're dealing
with trauma, it's because our innocence what's compromises. And and
(28:01):
I love that you are guarding that in such a
way to where you're allowing her to see the reality
of life and also the reality of you as a man.
I always ask every guest it's Kenyan. The show is
titled just Here with Doctor J and this question. I
love to see the response of people when I ask
(28:22):
this question, and I'll asks it to you. What does
healing means to you?
Speaker 3 (28:29):
What does healing mean? That's a layer.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
It's layer because I don't feel like there is like
a standing definition, because I think healing has to be
adaptable as you change, so it really depends on It's
a like an ever moving goal and you can't really
hit it as long as you're alive because there's always
(28:59):
something that you're having to work through.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
But I think.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
In theory, healing is really finding our art, getting back
to your yourself, whatever that may mean to you. And
and that's why I say I think it's it's not
like one definition because somebody's definition of healing could be
(29:26):
completely left based.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
On what they what they desire, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
But I think healing may if if we look at
it from a spiritual perspective.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
I think it's just getting back to.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Who who God says you are, because I think there's
who you think you are, and then there's who you're
actually called to be that you've been since you've existed,
and so I think it.
Speaker 3 (29:54):
May be a matter of just finding that that innocence again.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
At what I'm hearing you it said. What I'm hearing
you say is that healing is really getting back to
the place before you experienced pain.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
It's a good way to put it.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, And it's not it's not it's
not a linear it's not a linear process. A lot of
a lot of curve balls, man. But yeah, I think
I will say that that's what it is because you
really do spend your it's really getting to be more specific,
it's getting back to yourself before you understood choice.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
Because I believe that choices for life all became complicated.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
Should work.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
Yeah, yeah, y'all.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
Yeah, you know, I heard a I overheard a guy
talking like it's may been like years ago, and I
was just intrigued. He was talking about how he was
kind of making a comparison from like humans to like
animals in the way of they only know their purpose.
So he's like a bird just nose to fly that
(30:57):
on second gas anything Like a he knows to go
get the honey and like but as humans, we've developed choice,
so now we have these obstacles that were not meant
to be in our way because we always wonder if
there's something else we should be doing, or like you know.
So I think healing speaks to getting back to that
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place like pre choice and just pre you know, pre
complication and just being able to be free.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Man. I love that healing is just being able to
be free, my brother. I could sit here man and
man and just bro converse with you. Man. Brother, I
just want to say, Man, thank you for not just
your gift, but thank you for who you are as
a person.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
I appreciate for what you.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
Put out into the world. It's just an extension that
you get to that we get to experience you through
your music. But today I just got to experience the man.
And I just want to say, brother, from the bottom
of heart, thank you for taking out the time man too,
to come to the healing community. Man, and for us, Man,
there isn't a designated place. We just pull up anywhere. Yeah,
(32:06):
wherever were at. It's the community, you know what I mean.
So Brother, I just want to wish Man you much
success and that God keeps his hand on your journey,
keeps his hand on you, and that everything you touched
prosper man. And that's my prayer for you. Brother. Sure, yes, absolutely, Man.
Listen y'all y'all know, like I hate to cut these
(32:27):
conversations short. I hear so many of you are saying, like,
Doctor J, can you make these interviews longer? Talk to
a cursion my producer. I'm trying to push him and
make them longer, but he's sitting over here doing this
and doing all that. But anyway, we got to get
my good brother Kenyon out of here. Listen, go follow
Kenyon Dixon, Go grab all of his album, his music.
(32:47):
This brother here is R and B. That's all I'm
gonna say. He's R and B man. I mean he eats,
breathe sleep, R and B. His presence is R and B.
I mean this guy's love man. And I just enjoyed
my time spending with him today. I just want to
encourage you. Go and subscribe. Don't just come to the
healing community, be a part of it. Subscribe to Just
(33:10):
Here with Doctor J. And don't forget that you can
listen to this audibly on the Black Effect Podcast and
iHeart Podcast as well. And until next time, remember, healing
is a journey and wholeness is the destination. Just Here
with Doctor J a production of the Black Effect podcast Network.
For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio, app, Apple podcasts,
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