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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Tack into the latest in tech and how it affects
you and your world. This is Tech Talk Tuesday on
Wood Radios West Michigan Live. All right, so we got
lots of subjects to discuss. TRENT with affordableized store like
Michigan Drive and stand down Grand River Tech and some
of those big subjects again around AI, but security at
(00:23):
the Louver during that big heist, and security for you
too in your privacy. We're going to get into all
of these stories and more, but I guess the first
one we'll really start with as we are seeing the
effects of the shutdown TRENT and even though they're voting,
they're trying to get things back on tracks in and
again reporting a shutdown still causing issues with air travel.
(00:47):
It'll stake a they say, take a long time to
get back to normal. Part of this is because they
are understaffed, and part of it is people.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
I think.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
An excuse that we're going to start hearing more about
is is is it time to use a little bit
more advanced technology? And some of these people, I think
are going to push for the use of artificial intelligence
in air traffic control and some of these other technologies.
(01:17):
Now I and I feel about that, and I know
there's a lot of other folks. They're probably a little
more skeptical as well. One of them are retired airline pilot.
In this story from Business Insider that Trent shared with me,
I thought was interesting. Trent, welcome, I appreciate you being
here with us today.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Good morning, justin.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
So let's start with the air chiculation. Oh, they coud
be able to do AI on air traffic control. I
mean eventually they just be like a guy, one guy
sitting up there in the tower, you know, a case
of emergency or whatever, but just watching the watching the
blips on the screen, and AI take care of it all.
This this kind of sounds a little spooky to.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
Me, justin it is, and it isn't. So you think
about airplanes, I mean, already airplanes fly with massive amounts
of computer controlled which you could say is AI to
make the plane fly smooth. They can layer themselves, they
can take off. That's significantly more complex than having airplanes
coming in. Even at two airplanes a minute, I think
(02:15):
is kind of like the Max Airport, some of these
large ones in DC and Chicago. You gotta remember that's
two planes a minute. That's two things to track on.
I mean, obviously all the other planes that are farther out,
But this is significantly less logic than it is to
take off an airplane or land airplane, where it's doing
thousands and thousands of calculations a second tracking different parameters.
(02:37):
So I do think AI can help in control towers.
I think it can be used as a tool to
help track things to help fail safe. I don't believe
we should ever take out people out of the towers,
just like out of the airplanes. That's not a good thing.
But I certainly think it could be a redundant systems
to help help them tools to help them make their
job much easier and much safer.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
You know, I can see a push right now and
it's not just this but the use of AI and
what will it take to get us there. But we're
also seeing some of these and I don't know. I
got that tenfoil hat out again. I think to myself,
I wonder if they don't want more accidents or issues
to pop up for have an excuse, because it's going
to be a tough sale. But evenge automated big rigs
(03:24):
on the road, and I don't know about you. But
I don't want a computer drive and a bit semi
truck down the road. I don't want that happening. But
we've got illegals driving now with CDLs given out by
people like Joscelyn Benson, a Secretary of State here in Michigan,
and because we've seen an increase in those accidents, and
of course it's hard to get people good people to drive,
(03:46):
you know, you have all of those things included on
top of it.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
It does.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
It brings safety and that risk to mind. So it
now becomes sort of an easy opportunity to push for
these kind of things. AI in the skies and AI
on the road.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
Justin I think there's some drivers out there that even
thirty year old technology could drive better. So I have
to disagree with it a little bit. There's time so
where I wish there was an AI driving a car.
But on the other hand, it's just it is. It's unsettling.
We got to get used to it as people, or
we don't have to get used to it. If people
want to drive, if truck driving companies want to have
a driver on the road and it's safe, I don't
(04:25):
think we need to mandate any of this stuff. I
think it needs to happen naturally over time based on
real life technology, and if it's a safe, proven technology,
just we already use it for all sorts of things.
Like I said, landing an airplane. There's not much more
complex scenario than that. So if it can do that,
I don't see why you can't drive a truck. But yes,
we need to believe that it's safe. And I don't
(04:47):
think AI.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Is coming up later this morning on West Michigan's Morning
News that is trustworthy. Yet who is a response later
this morning falls out of the sky and it was AI?
Or who's respond Maybe you don't have the answer. This
a legal question, but who's responsible when one of those
AI trucks or automated driverless trucks crashes on the road?
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Who gets the bill for that? That's the question.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
That's a difficult one justin because there's insurance companies. Ultimately
you'll probably have some coverages for that and the insurance
realm and the rest will kind of get lost in
the details. But anything AI, justin does have ability to
have extensive logging, physical logging of data to say what
did the sensor say, what did the computer do? What
(05:34):
did the system do. In most cases, that logging is
extensive and is available to study after the fact. So
as long as that logging is maintained and there's a
public right to that, I think that can go a
long ways to hold these AI systems accountable. If not,
if we don't have access to specific logging, there's no
(05:55):
way to hold it accountable. And that's a very scary territory.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Oh man, Hey, you're not kidding, Trent.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
And the other thing that I'm scared about too is
that I just have a feeling if they're going to
allow the automated trucks on the road, I think eventually
they're going to say, if the trucks are going to
be automated and computers are driving, then uh, we don't
want to let you do that. In other words, you
can't we can't put humans on the road because humans
(06:20):
humans are capable of air, and our computers just are.
And so that's the problem. We're gonna have to take
humans off the road. And I don't know, maybe I've
watched too many of these sci fi movies. I think
that's probably the direction we're headed in. But man, oh man,
I am not excited about that. And I'll tell you why.
Here's another example. Humans at technology can go kind of
(06:44):
a rye. This is funny, but you know, remember the
big heist at the Louver that that big art museum
in Paris, France, in gay Peri. Apparently the password they've
just discovered for the Louvers video surveillance system.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Let's love. You can't make this up.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
But I know you laugh at this because you're probably
warning the same with people every day that are dealing
with passwords.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Yeah, justin this is classic password one on one. Don't
put your business name, the last you know, four numbers
of your phone number as your phone pass go.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Don't do this stuff.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
The bad guys will will check those things first. They
always do. And a staggering number of major hacks, maybe
it's over fifty percent happened simply because of insecured passwords
or stupid basic mistakes that people make relating to security
where security can't work. If you're going to put a
bad password on.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
There, yeah, it's what's the best way to do it?
I mean, I've got tricks that I use, but what
what's the best way for folks trying to keep track
of their passwords or even create them.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
So justin a password manager. Apple has built in ones.
There's other third parties that work great, like dash Land
one of them. They will create the password for you,
the hard passwords, they will save the password for you,
and they will manage that all for you. They'll also
do two factor passwords. It is critical to get a
password manager that does two factor because old school password
(08:16):
managers that are just passwords are going to work for it.
You've got to have two factor codes and passkeys in
your password manager.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
All right.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
One last story that we thought would be good to
share with you. Facebook is spying on you. Well you
kind of already knew that, but this is another confirmation
of it. Here's a guy that's done a video that's
shared a little bit.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
Starting December sixteenth, Meta will start reading your dms, every conversation,
every photo, every voice message, fed into AI and used
for profit.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
So here's how to stop it. Now.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
The guy goes into detail and I'll put this up
on the stack today. In fact, it's got to we
have a justin Barclay dot com here in just moments.
But Trent walk us through what this is, why it's having.
They want to use all your personal information. To train
their AI and that again sounds very scary to me,
But there are ways to opt out of this stuff.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
Yeah, justin One of the reasons why I don't use
social media is just we have to be conscientious to this.
Beyond social media texting, for example, those things are basically
if they're not already crawlable by government level things, they
will be in time to come by private level monitoring
and feeding into da AI. AI needs data justin it
(09:33):
needs current data. It's basically used everything that's publicly available,
and it needs more data. It needs constant data. So
direct message on Facebook is a massive amount of data
that every day people have used for years, and if
people keep using it, it's a constant new source of data.
It needs that data to be accurate and to increase
(09:54):
its effectiveness. But on the other hand, obviously that data
and that information is all being available for it to
use and see. So if there's some evidence of crime
in there or something that it thinks is nefarious, you
better believe the government law enforcement agencies have access to
that and we'll be making a rest based off that.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
With all the doom and gloom tech stories that we've
had today, here's one that's kind of feel good or hey,
at least there's a good side of this. That's what technology.
The truth is, technology is good and bad. It's in
the hands of how you use it. Robodoc surgeon performs
first remote controlled stroke operation from across the Atlantic and
break through for remote surgery. We were just having issues
(10:38):
with lagging getting the video set up and running the day, Trent,
this is the last place you want it is in surgery.
Any sort of lagging your connection as you But what
a miracle. That's kind of crazy.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
It is justin because we can have doctors who are
skilled from around the world perform these surgeries, these critical
procedures that are very limited to the number of people
that can do them. The location. All they need is
and I say all they need is still hard. They
have to have good power, good data connection. But they
can have robotic surgery done remotely. This is a great
use of technology. We need to use technology much more
(11:10):
in this fashion versus the big data side.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
So again, this is a robot doing the surgery, but
it's being controlled by a human and actual surgeon across
the Atlantic, which is wild to even consider. But wow,
when you talk about some of the good things that
are possible. That's well, you have to at least mention
mention that one, right, good friend, trick can it be
(11:38):
always a pleasure, my friend, Thank you again. Affordable Lize Store,
Lake Michigan, Drivedale, Drive In Standale, and of course the
Grand River Tech. He's got issues if you need well.
Trent has issues of his own, but we won't talk
about those. Jenny's got help for your issues, whether they're
personal at Affordable Life Store or Grand River Tech. Where
(12:01):
if you want to get your organization, your church, your school, factory,
whatever it is set up, he can up with security
connections and all kinds of even video security, all of it.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
And we thank him as always always a pleasure, my friend.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
Thanks Justin, have a great day.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Hey you too, God bless Yeah, we've got more in
fact on a way of video that you're not
Tack into the latest in tech and how it affects
you and your world. This is Tech Talk Tuesday on
Wood Radios West Michigan Live. All right, so we got
lots of subjects to discuss. TRENT with affordableized store like
Michigan Drive and stand down Grand River Tech and some
of those big subjects again around AI, but security at
(00:23):
the Louver during that big heist, and security for you
too in your privacy. We're going to get into all
of these stories and more, but I guess the first
one we'll really start with as we are seeing the
effects of the shutdown TRENT and even though they're voting,
they're trying to get things back on tracks in and
again reporting a shutdown still causing issues with air travel.
(00:47):
It'll stake a they say, take a long time to
get back to normal. Part of this is because they
are understaffed, and part of it is people.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
I think.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
An excuse that we're going to start hearing more about
is is is it time to use a little bit
more advanced technology? And some of these people, I think
are going to push for the use of artificial intelligence
in air traffic control and some of these other technologies.
(01:17):
Now I and I feel about that, and I know
there's a lot of other folks. They're probably a little
more skeptical as well. One of them are retired airline pilot.
In this story from Business Insider that Trent shared with me,
I thought was interesting. Trent, welcome, I appreciate you being
here with us today.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Good morning, justin.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
So let's start with the air chiculation. Oh, they coud
be able to do AI on air traffic control. I
mean eventually they just be like a guy, one guy
sitting up there in the tower, you know, a case
of emergency or whatever, but just watching the watching the
blips on the screen, and AI take care of it all.
This this kind of sounds a little spooky to.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
Me, justin it is, and it isn't. So you think
about airplanes, I mean, already airplanes fly with massive amounts
of computer controlled which you could say is AI to
make the plane fly smooth. They can layer themselves, they
can take off. That's significantly more complex than having airplanes
coming in. Even at two airplanes a minute, I think
(02:15):
is kind of like the Max Airport, some of these
large ones in DC and Chicago. You gotta remember that's
two planes a minute. That's two things to track on.
I mean, obviously all the other planes that are farther out,
But this is significantly less logic than it is to
take off an airplane or land airplane, where it's doing
thousands and thousands of calculations a second tracking different parameters.
(02:37):
So I do think AI can help in control towers.
I think it can be used as a tool to
help track things to help fail safe. I don't believe
we should ever take out people out of the towers,
just like out of the airplanes. That's not a good thing.
But I certainly think it could be a redundant systems
to help help them tools to help them make their
job much easier and much safer.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
You know, I can see a push right now and
it's not just this but the use of AI and
what will it take to get us there. But we're
also seeing some of these and I don't know. I
got that tenfoil hat out again. I think to myself,
I wonder if they don't want more accidents or issues
to pop up for have an excuse, because it's going
to be a tough sale. But evenge automated big rigs
(03:24):
on the road, and I don't know about you. But
I don't want a computer drive and a bit semi
truck down the road. I don't want that happening. But
we've got illegals driving now with CDLs given out by
people like Joscelyn Benson, a Secretary of State here in Michigan,
and because we've seen an increase in those accidents, and
of course it's hard to get people good people to drive,
(03:46):
you know, you have all of those things included on
top of it.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
It does.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
It brings safety and that risk to mind. So it
now becomes sort of an easy opportunity to push for
these kind of things. AI in the skies and AI
on the road.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
Justin I think there's some drivers out there that even
thirty year old technology could drive better. So I have
to disagree with it a little bit. There's time so
where I wish there was an AI driving a car.
But on the other hand, it's just it is. It's unsettling.
We got to get used to it as people, or
we don't have to get used to it. If people
want to drive, if truck driving companies want to have
a driver on the road and it's safe, I don't
(04:25):
think we need to mandate any of this stuff. I
think it needs to happen naturally over time based on
real life technology, and if it's a safe, proven technology,
just we already use it for all sorts of things.
Like I said, landing an airplane. There's not much more
complex scenario than that. So if it can do that,
I don't see why you can't drive a truck. But yes,
we need to believe that it's safe. And I don't
(04:47):
think AI.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Is coming up later this morning on West Michigan's Morning
News that is trustworthy. Yet who is a response later
this morning falls out of the sky and it was AI?
Or who's respond Maybe you don't have the answer. This
a legal question, but who's responsible when one of those
AI trucks or automated driverless trucks crashes on the road?
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Who gets the bill for that? That's the question.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
That's a difficult one justin because there's insurance companies. Ultimately
you'll probably have some coverages for that and the insurance
realm and the rest will kind of get lost in
the details. But anything AI, justin does have ability to
have extensive logging, physical logging of data to say what
did the sensor say, what did the computer do? What
(05:34):
did the system do. In most cases, that logging is
extensive and is available to study after the fact. So
as long as that logging is maintained and there's a
public right to that, I think that can go a
long ways to hold these AI systems accountable. If not,
if we don't have access to specific logging, there's no
(05:55):
way to hold it accountable. And that's a very scary territory.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Oh man, Hey, you're not kidding, Trent.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
And the other thing that I'm scared about too is
that I just have a feeling if they're going to
allow the automated trucks on the road, I think eventually
they're going to say, if the trucks are going to
be automated and computers are driving, then uh, we don't
want to let you do that. In other words, you
can't we can't put humans on the road because humans
(06:20):
humans are capable of air, and our computers just are.
And so that's the problem. We're gonna have to take
humans off the road. And I don't know, maybe I've
watched too many of these sci fi movies. I think
that's probably the direction we're headed in. But man, oh man,
I am not excited about that. And I'll tell you why.
Here's another example. Humans at technology can go kind of
(06:44):
a rye. This is funny, but you know, remember the
big heist at the Louver that that big art museum
in Paris, France, in gay Peri. Apparently the password they've
just discovered for the Louvers video surveillance system.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Let's love. You can't make this up.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
But I know you laugh at this because you're probably
warning the same with people every day that are dealing
with passwords.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Yeah, justin this is classic password one on one. Don't
put your business name, the last you know, four numbers
of your phone number as your phone pass go.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Don't do this stuff.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
The bad guys will will check those things first. They
always do. And a staggering number of major hacks, maybe
it's over fifty percent happened simply because of insecured passwords
or stupid basic mistakes that people make relating to security
where security can't work. If you're going to put a
bad password on.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
There, yeah, it's what's the best way to do it?
I mean, I've got tricks that I use, but what
what's the best way for folks trying to keep track
of their passwords or even create them.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
So justin a password manager. Apple has built in ones.
There's other third parties that work great, like dash Land
one of them. They will create the password for you,
the hard passwords, they will save the password for you,
and they will manage that all for you. They'll also
do two factor passwords. It is critical to get a
password manager that does two factor because old school password
(08:16):
managers that are just passwords are going to work for it.
You've got to have two factor codes and passkeys in
your password manager.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
All right.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
One last story that we thought would be good to
share with you. Facebook is spying on you. Well you
kind of already knew that, but this is another confirmation
of it. Here's a guy that's done a video that's
shared a little bit.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
Starting December sixteenth, Meta will start reading your dms, every conversation,
every photo, every voice message, fed into AI and used
for profit.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
So here's how to stop it. Now.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
The guy goes into detail and I'll put this up
on the stack today. In fact, it's got to we
have a justin Barclay dot com here in just moments.
But Trent walk us through what this is, why it's having.
They want to use all your personal information. To train
their AI and that again sounds very scary to me,
But there are ways to opt out of this stuff.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
Yeah, justin One of the reasons why I don't use
social media is just we have to be conscientious to this.
Beyond social media texting, for example, those things are basically
if they're not already crawlable by government level things, they
will be in time to come by private level monitoring
and feeding into da AI. AI needs data justin it
(09:33):
needs current data. It's basically used everything that's publicly available,
and it needs more data. It needs constant data. So
direct message on Facebook is a massive amount of data
that every day people have used for years, and if
people keep using it, it's a constant new source of data.
It needs that data to be accurate and to increase
(09:54):
its effectiveness. But on the other hand, obviously that data
and that information is all being available for it to
use and see. So if there's some evidence of crime
in there or something that it thinks is nefarious, you
better believe the government law enforcement agencies have access to
that and we'll be making a rest based off that.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
With all the doom and gloom tech stories that we've
had today, here's one that's kind of feel good or hey,
at least there's a good side of this. That's what technology.
The truth is, technology is good and bad. It's in
the hands of how you use it. Robodoc surgeon performs
first remote controlled stroke operation from across the Atlantic and
break through for remote surgery. We were just having issues
(10:38):
with lagging getting the video set up and running the day, Trent,
this is the last place you want it is in surgery.
Any sort of lagging your connection as you But what
a miracle. That's kind of crazy.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
It is justin because we can have doctors who are
skilled from around the world perform these surgeries, these critical
procedures that are very limited to the number of people
that can do them. The location. All they need is
and I say all they need is still hard. They
have to have good power, good data connection. But they
can have robotic surgery done remotely. This is a great
use of technology. We need to use technology much more
(11:10):
in this fashion versus the big data side.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
So again, this is a robot doing the surgery, but
it's being controlled by a human and actual surgeon across
the Atlantic, which is wild to even consider. But wow,
when you talk about some of the good things that
are possible. That's well, you have to at least mention
mention that one, right, good friend, trick can it be
(11:38):
always a pleasure, my friend, Thank you again. Affordable Lize Store,
Lake Michigan, Drivedale, Drive In Standale, and of course the
Grand River Tech. He's got issues if you need well.
Trent has issues of his own, but we won't talk
about those. Jenny's got help for your issues, whether they're
personal at Affordable Life Store or Grand River Tech. Where
(12:01):
if you want to get your organization, your church, your school, factory,
whatever it is set up, he can up with security
connections and all kinds of even video security, all of it.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
And we thank him as always always a pleasure, my friend.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
Thanks Justin, have a great day.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Hey you too, God bless Yeah, we've got more in
fact on a way of video that you're not
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For more than 30 years The River Cafe in London, has been the home-from-home of artists, architects, designers, actors, collectors, writers, activists, and politicians. Michael Caine, Glenn Close, JJ Abrams, Steve McQueen, Victoria and David Beckham, and Lily Allen, are just some of the people who love to call The River Cafe home. On River Cafe Table 4, Rogers sits down with her customers—who have become friends—to talk about food memories. Table 4 explores how food impacts every aspect of our lives. “Foods is politics, food is cultural, food is how you express love, food is about your heritage, it defines who you and who you want to be,” says Rogers. Each week, Rogers invites her guest to reminisce about family suppers and first dates, what they cook, how they eat when performing, the restaurants they choose, and what food they seek when they need comfort. And to punctuate each episode of Table 4, guests such as Ralph Fiennes, Emily Blunt, and Alfonso Cuarón, read their favourite recipe from one of the best-selling River Cafe cookbooks. Table 4 itself, is situated near The River Cafe’s open kitchen, close to the bright pink wood-fired oven and next to the glossy yellow pass, where Ruthie oversees the restaurant. You are invited to take a seat at this intimate table and join the conversation. For more information, recipes, and ingredients, go to https://shoptherivercafe.co.uk/ Web: https://rivercafe.co.uk/ Instagram: www.instagram.com/therivercafelondon/ Facebook: https://en-gb.facebook.com/therivercafelondon/ For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iheartradio app, apple podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.com
Dateline NBC
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