Show Notes: In this power‑packed episode, Justin sits down with Karla Wagner of AxMITax.org to pull back the curtain on the petition that promises to wipe out every property tax in Michigan and replace them with a sales‑tax‑powered funding model. They tackle the big questions head‑on—how schools, cops, and roads would be funded, why backers say the plan would end tax‑driven foreclosures for good, and what a 60 % voter‑approval hurdle means for future tax hikes. Karla shares inside intel on the grassroots signature drive, the constitutional language, and the political firefight already brewing in Lansing, while Justin pushes for straight answers on potential revenue gaps and whether the amendment could survive a court challenge. If you’ve ever dreamed of owning your home without paying annual “rent” to the government, or you’re worried about the fallout for local services, this conversation delivers the clarity—and controversy—you need before signing on the dotted line.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Get ready to scrap in. It's going to be a
heck of a ride. It's like drinking from a fire hose.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Never a dull moment. But yes, we'll hear the stories
you won't hear anywhere else, and we appreciate you being here.
What us form today. I'm justin Barclay. Oh, welcome Inn.
We got Carlo with us today.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Carlo Agner an ax my text x A x A
x dot org and the movement is underway.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
They are collecting petitions.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
We want to get an update on that, where you
can sign if you haven't already signed yet, and what
you need to know because I've had some questions asked
about this at Evin and I was at last week
where folks were out we're collecting signatures for the petitions.
Plus Carlo, we got big stories that are breaking today
and I want to talk and walk through some of those.
It's the very same sort of scenario that we're seeing
play out with this story and as my tax wanted
(00:56):
to get rid of property taxes and more. The stories
continue to to to unfold. When we're going to get
those and get the latest now, there also some questions,
and some of these are coming from fair. I think
fair minded people that want details on how this is
all gonna work. So we're gonna get those as well. Hey,
I don't know who made this, but Cardinal Welcome In.
I saw this today and I thought, man, that's this
(01:17):
is a really good piece. Is this something you guys did?
Speaker 3 (01:20):
I think it probably is. Yes, we are welcome in.
We're getting very creative. We're getting very creative with all
of our a lot of graphics. We have some really
cool graphics, downloadable graphics on our website and uh, we've
got some you know what that and justin there's there's
(01:43):
one that we just put out there, and this one
breaks my heart. It's called lose your spouse, lose your house,
Oh man, because that's what's happening to our elderly people
when they because they're because they're elderly, they started working
a long time go. You know, their income wasn't great,
(02:03):
their pensions, their social security isn't great, not near as
much as what people are making now today. They've paid
off their house, but they can't afford the property taxes.
And when one of them passes away and they lose
that social security income or something right, they're toast they
have no options. They have no options. And look at
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what happens when we force people into nursing homes, you know,
nursing homes or assisted living. Those costs are so exorbitant
that these elderly people can't afford to pay them. They
end up having to sell their house or so Medicaid
and Medicare, whatever it is, kicks in that kind of stuff.
Their income from so long ago doesn't keep up with
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the inflationary cost of today, it really is.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
And you know, story after story like that that are
really you know, we're hearing more and more. In fact,
I just kind of talked about this off the end,
but there's a story that just broke with us the
other day. Eighty five year old Korean War disabled vet
here in Michigan, afraid he might lose his house because
and he's got a you know, he's got some acreage
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to but he's afraid he might lose it all, everything
he fought for because a drain commission came in and
decided they want to put a drain in. Five million
dollars later, he's got sixty thousand dollars bill. He says,
I'm eighty five. I don't wan't care about where I'm
going to come up with this.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Listen to Rudy and his own words describe how he's feeling.
Speaker 4 (03:32):
I'm disabled, veteran, I'm crowding ninety years sold and I
can't believe this is happening to me. I can I can't.
I'm scared. I can't afford it. I can't afford that
that kind of busted.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
I can't.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
I might have to sell my place. I don't know where,
and then where am I going to go?
Speaker 1 (03:56):
You know, I told him in this conversation, Carl, I said,
we're not First of all, we're not gonna it shouldn't
happen to anybody eighty five years old, but particularly not
someone who's served I think the worst courage. And I said,
in your situation, we're not going to take this line now,
and we're gonna stand with you and make sure that
he's got, you know, all the help and support that
(04:18):
he can through this. But it's stories like this where
the government you get a sense for what happens when
people fall through the cracks and the government comes in
and just takes everything, and.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
You know, justin what right do they have to do that?
The only right they have is what we're giving them.
By not standing up, by not standing together, by not
doing something about it, we're allowing it to happen. We're
doing it to ourselves. We only have ourselves to blame
for letting the government get to this point. You know,
these are township officials and county officials that we have elected.
(04:56):
What the heck where do they think they have the
right to come in take anyone's property that has especially
after it's been paid off. And you know, for us,
the income we're we're trying to eliminate property tax, which
unfortunately that drain Commission, those kind of things are still
going to need to be paid or addressed in some
(05:18):
other way because it's property tax that we're eliminating, right,
But I think.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
It he's got an exemption.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
I think there's some sort of an exemption that he's
because he's a disabled veteran. But this exemption wouldn't cover
the drain uh charge, which which is which is wild
on top of it all, but anytime there's an opportunity,
a chance at all, that someone would lose their home
in a situation like this, it's criminal.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
It is criminal. And even the four even the fact
that they would force him to you know that he
would have to sell it, right like I might have
to sell my house, is what he said. But then
think about this justin how do you say your house
when there's a sixty thousand dollars or whatever the drain
commissioner's assessing his house for. How do you sell your
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property or your home with that kind of an assessment
on it. You're not going to get the value for
it that it should be, right, I mean, it's just
that this government crap has got to stop. There's there's
a time and a place for certain things. We know
we need progress, we know we have to pay for things,
(06:28):
but certainly you don't take away one person's rights or
property to benefit another person. That's just wrongly, morally wrong.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Carlo Wagner and Acts my Tax, Absolutely, we're going to
walk through some of the questions that people have had
about Acts My Tax and the movement. In fact, right
now they're collecting signature. Is going to tell you they're
in dire need for you to come out in and
help them with signature collection, but also they're in dire
need of you to come out and actually sign the things.
(07:02):
So we're to tell you where you can do that
as well. There was an event I was at last
week with the West Michigan Patriots who had a whole
event on AI and there were folks there at the
back of the room signing Glad Gavin for those signatures.
So we're gonna give you the details on that. But also,
you know, this is on the website, and you and
I have talked about this before, and that's kind of
(07:24):
sort of the focus of what we want to discuss today.
I know you have questions and things that you want
to bring up as well, but there is a frequently
asked question section on the website at xaxm I tax
dot org, axmtax dot org where you can get the
answers about all these So let's walk through some of them.
One of the biggest is what happens to police and fires?
(07:45):
Are the schools going to shut down? You know there
are folks who say, look, I'm all about cutting the taxes,
but how is this going to work? And you've got
those answers inside there. I thought you had a great
way of addressing that. What do you say to some
of these questions.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
I want to talk about. I want to talk about
the police and fire first, because I I police and
fire are essential services, right, and they are there to
protect our rights and our property. So that is those
are two services the government is supposed to provide for us.
So our petition actually provides funding for essential services, meaning
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police and fire, and then it protects that funding so
it can only be used for essential services like don't
build me a pick a ball court if I need
a fire truck. Right, we need to keep the government,
the government needs to stop giving us all of these
fun fluffy things when when and then they threaten us
(08:44):
that if we don't pay pass the image, they'll cut
off our police and fire services. So what that does,
it's it's a little bit complicatedicated for the average you know,
for the average person that doesn't know a lot about
budgeting and budgeting and stuff like that. The state already,
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when all of the sales tax goes to the state,
the state is constitutionally mandated to share some of that
sales tax back to every township in the state of
Our petition requires will require the state to also share
constitutionally a portion of the state income tax, which is
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the largest revenue source for the state is income tax.
We want a chunk of that bucket as well, and
we're going to also take a portion of the alcohol, marijuana,
and tobacco taxes that the state collects, and we're going
to force the state to send money from each of
those buckets down to every township and county in the
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state of Michigan, and that will help cover those essential
services cost And then, like I said, we're going to
protect that money so it can only be used for
those essential services. So that that's an easy explanation in
(10:10):
a small nutshell, right, There's more to it than that,
but that's kind of like the easy basics first. Yeah, well, okay,
go ahead.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
You said you go ahead to get to the schools,
because that's a that's a good I don't think people
realize inside the wording and how how you get to
set up that you're making this because this is going
to be voted on, it's going to be constitutional, a
part of the income tax, it is going to be
taken uh and put aside for these services so that
it's guaranteed. Have you had any criticism on that?
Speaker 2 (10:41):
There little?
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Well that now this now it's going to be more centralized.
The state's going to be able to could control the
thousand sensors. Is that Has that been any issue at all.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
You know, Justine, Yes, yes. People go, well, you know,
now we're dependent upon this state, and I'm like, okay,
but the state, because it's constitutionally mandated, the state has
to do it. If it doesn't, every township and county
would have the right to sue the state because it
is constitutionally mandated. But the state has been sharing the
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portion of the sales tax. They've been sharing that for
a long time, many many years. So I don't see
why that would change because it has been working. What
our petition actually does, is it all of the money,
all of the taxes that we pay to the state.
The state gets so much money, you know, state income tax,
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corporate business tax, use tax, sales tax, lottery, real estate
transfer tax, all of those taxes that is a revenue
for the state. We find that the state is spending
that money foolishly, so we want to give them less
money to spend foolishly by saying you have to show
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share a portion of those tax revenues back down to
the townships in the counties. Stop pissing our money away
on stupid stuff and send it down to the townships
and the counties. So the townships in the counties can
tax us less at the local level, but our services
will still be there for us. That's what it's supposed
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to be. So what we're trying to do is save
our property number one, save our homes, save our farms,
save our businesses, and save our money, keep money back
in the pockets of the people. I'm a small business owner,
and I will tell you what justin you will see
for yourself. Restaurants and small businesses are closing across the
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state of Michigan. Why because the people of the state
of Michigan are taxed literally to death, and we don't
we're noticing it. We don't have we have nowhere near
the business that we've had before. Or why because people
have to cut out, They stop going They don't go
out to eat as much. Right, they can't go out
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to eat as much, they can't buy as many things
because they have to keep paying taxes. So it shuts
the whole economy down. I mean, we're paying so much
in taxes that people don't have the money to go
out and generate any other business. They can't keep businesses
in business. We're not generating enough sales tax. If you
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look at the state's budget from last year to last
year to this year, almost every single one of our
revenue buckets has decreased, except property tax revenue that's gone
up because they keep spending and they keep taxing us
more to pay for their spending, which means we have
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no money to spend the way we want to spend it.
We don't get a choice anymore. We can't go out
to eat because we have to pay property taxes. We
can't go out to eat because we have to pay
income tax. We can't go out to eat because we
have to pay another tax, and it's shutting down the
whole economy across the state of Michigan.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
Carlo Wagner ax my tax x AX m I tax
tax dot org for details on the initiative, where you
can find the petitions to sign and dig into it now.
We were asking because the frequently ask Questions portion of
the the website. It's a good place to get some
(14:34):
of these answers because you're going to be talking to
people who say, I like this or I don't know
about this because I got questions about this part of
one thing or the other. And some people are going
to be very prepared to answer some of these questions
about the frequently asked questions unless you get to a
place where maybe you can have a conversation with Carla
or whatnot.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
But this is a great place to get that. So
what about the schools?
Speaker 3 (14:53):
Is that cool? Yep? So justin thank you very much
for bringing up the schools. What again, we have become
a society, right. Most people pay their property taxes through escrow.
A lot of them don't even look at their property
tax bills. But we hear about these school millages that
come up all right, that we have to vote on.
We just voted on a bunch of them across the
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state of Michigan on May six. Local school millages do
not educate your kids. Local school millages are for building maintenance,
playground equipment, football fields. That's what past debt, past debt.
It's like, Okay, we're paying on past debt that somebody
else voted on. I didn't vote on past debt, right,
(15:39):
So local school millages that come up that we need
to vote on has nothing to do with the education
of the kids. The only part of your property tax
bill that educates your kids is called the state education tax.
That money goes to the state. It goes into the
(16:01):
state education tax bucket in Lancing, and then it flows
into the public school aid fund. The public school aid
fund is twenty billion dollars. The state only collects two
(16:21):
point seven billion dollars from our property taxes that goes
into that bucket. So it's a twenty billion dollar bucket.
And the state collects two point seven billion from our
property tax. Where does the other seventeen point three billion
come from? All of the other taxes we pay. So
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part of your state intem tax, part of corporate business tax,
part of the use tax, part of the beer and
wine tax, part of your sales tax, the lottery right,
real estate transfer tax, all of those their sources of
revenue for the state also fund the public schools. So
(17:07):
the attendance in the public schools has dropped by fifteen
percent and its continues to drop. Representative Jim Desana, House Rep.
Just wrote a bill to eliminate the state education tax
off homeowners property tax bills. Why why would a legislator
(17:30):
do that? Because they know that the public school bucket
is grossly overfunded, grossly overfunded. So he's trying to eliminate
the school the property taxes, the state education tax, off
our property taxes to save people some money because the
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schools don't need it. People are sending their kids, they're homeschooling,
or they're sending their kids to a private or a
Christian school, and yet they are still taxed to pay
for public schools. And we have the worst education quality
across the nation. How is this possible? It doesn't even
(18:17):
make sense. And they want to keep throwing more money
at our schools, but we just keep getting less worse results.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
We got Greta on the chat right now over the
Freedom Fam VIP and he said, Hey, ask Carl about
this path. Apparently there's a two million dollar path, a
county path on school property that folks are spending lots
of money on a sus Rockford is drowning and money.
But you know it's it's all the expensive folks who
(18:48):
are paying it that some of them can't afford it.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
That is so true, Justin and I think what he
is speaking about, dirty little devil. I think what he's
asking me about is there's a tiny section of a
county trail that runs through a little bit of Rockford
Public school property. And that's why we have a Parks
(19:12):
and Rex millage. That Rockford Public School has a parks
and Rex millage because they said, well, because we have
that little park, that little trail running through a piece
of our property, that's how they tried to sell it
to people. But it's really football fields and playground equipment
and a little piece of that county park. But the counties,
the county, you pay the county to maintain county parks,
(19:37):
so they're double dipping. I mean, there's so many of
these millages that are double dipping that we pay for
these things through all of the other taxes we pay
when we send the tax to the state, and then
we have to pay for them on our local property
tax bills as well. That tells me these schools, these
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community colleges, this ISD, they don't know how to budget.
We have to budget. People are having to budget. We
are doing without to pay taxes for people that don't
know how to budget. I'm telling you what if your
township officials, if you're county officials, if you're state legislators,
if they don't balance their own check book at home,
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how in the heck are they able to balance a
township county or a state budget. We got to start
electing better people, more educated people, and fiscally responsible people,
and people who give a rip about us losing our
homes and our properties instead of them worrying about losing
(20:41):
their parks or their splash pads, their pickleball courts, or
their jobs. Our property and our rights are more important.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Carlo Wagner with X my tax ax tax dot Org.
I know you're well in a way trying to get
these signatures. You got a deadline you got to hit.
You get hundred thousand, you gotta get so a lot
of work is in a way, but not just six
hundred thousand. They've got to be all the eyes dotted,
t's crossed. I mean, this stuff has got to be
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meticulous here. How are you doing that? And what do
you need right now? More than anything else.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
You know what, justin the circulators that we have are
so excited and so wanting to do this that sometimes
we don't pay attention to the details. And I'll tell
you what. We try and send out all the instructions.
We try to give people training as much as we can.
(21:38):
We have a lot of seasoned circulators out there, but
unfortunately I think it was in October of twenty twenty
three Border canvassers wrote or redid their forty three or
forty eight page manual. Things have changed, Things have changed
since some of these people have collected signatures be four. So,
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like you said, we have to make sure our t's
are crossed and our eyes are dotted, and everything has
to be done very specifically because we are taking money
away from three levels of government and they don't like it.
They don't like it, so they are going to scrub
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these petitions very thoroughly, very thoroughly. They're going to look
at them and we're going to kind of be at
their mercy. That's why we need to collect six hundred
thousand or more because our minimum is like four hundred
and seventy seven thousand good ones. So we have to
collect six hundred to six hundred and fifty thousand because
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we know that there's going to be an attrition rate
where they're going to throw a bunch of them out right,
So we do ask that circulators pay attention to the
pay attention to the instructions, ask questions. If they are
in doubt on how to fill these out, you have
to babysit the signers as they're signing them. But it
(23:05):
is easy once you figure it out how to do
it correctly, it's easy. I'm having people turn in fifteen
hundred petitions that they've collected. You know, people are reaching
their personal goals of a thought. They're like, I want
to get a thousand signatures, and they are reaching those
goals already two months into it. I had a young
lady the other day that picked petitions up. She goes,
(23:27):
I'll be back, Carla. My goal is six thousand signatures myself.
She wants to get one percent of our totals. She
wants to get herself. People are so excited about this.
They see the need to eliminate property tax. We just
need to make sure we're doing it right.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
Yeah, that's for sure.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
Where can folks, by the way, because I know that
you're going to be out and about. People are going
to want to sign this. They're going to want to
get out and find out where to go. I know
on the website there is some details about events to
your schedule to be at and where folks.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Can find you.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
Yeah. If they go to the website and look under events,
they will not only see where I will be doing presentations,
but they will also see where other people are going
to be just for signing opportunities. And we have captains
and probably seventy eight of the counties of the eighty
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three counties, and hopefully when I go up north, I'll
sign up those other counties. But you know, people are
on the Facebook page, so they say, hey, where do
I sign in Holland where do I sign in Ostiola?
Where do I sign? And we do try to address them.
It is very difficult to try to reach out and
find just a single signer. What we're trying to do
(24:49):
is put this information on the website so they can
find us. It's much easier for them to come out
and find us than for us to go around and
drive around try to find individual signers.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
There's one of Jimmy's roadhouse. It sounds delicious, by the way,
Yeah good. You could kill two birds with one stone.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
It sounds like you can see where it says presentation,
so you where on some of them it said presentation,
which will mean a whole full blown presentation. And a
lot of these other ones, like this one Alpina County
Courthouse that's just going to be a signing. That means
that there's gonna be people there just collecting signatures. There's
other ones that will say presentation in that in that thing,
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and those are like, here's one inn Ontonagan up in
the Up, presentation. I have some wonderful people up in
the UP. I feel like a rock star. Not a
good one, but I feel like a rock star because
I have people in the Up that are putting together
a up tour for me. I'm going from one end
of the Up to the other. They're booking me and
tons of tons of the counties up there. You know,
(25:55):
we need we need to let those people they don't
have They don't they don't count for a lot of
the Michigan's population or registered voters, but man, they want
this done as badly as the people here in the
Lower Peninsula. They need to have the opportunity to use
their signature and their voice and their vote to talk
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about this is just like everybody else does. That's why
I'm going to go up there and spend probably about
ten days, and on the way down, I'll be hitting
a couple on my way back. Everybody needs to use
their voice and their vote to get this done. We
need to stop the theft of It's not only the
theft of our property justin it's the theft of our equity,
(26:42):
our generational wealth, our liberty, our safety, our privacy, and
our dignity, which you just proved by having that elderly
gentleman on there who has done his service to our
state and to our country. And this is how we're
going to repay that, this by taking his property or
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forcing him to sell. Yeah, can you tell how frustrated
I am.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
Hey, it's simple, folks, stop paying rent to the government
for property you already own. That's essentially the call for
this ax my tax petition. You want to find out
maybe you have some more questions about it, Carlson, open books,
you'll answer your questions. You want to go through the
FAQ there. You can also find out where to sign
(27:31):
this and volunteer. Right now they need some help getting
people out to get these things circulated. You can volunteer,
you can donate your time or your treasure, but they're
open to both. If folks want to ask you questions,
maybe find you in person in the presentations.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
Or where else should they they check there?
Speaker 3 (27:49):
Carlin, you know the presentations are great. We do have
a one eight hundred number. It's usually the voicemail is full,
but I if they text me, I try to get
back to them there. They can always call my cell
number that gets full too, And I'll tell you. I'll
tell you why justin I let my voicemail box get full.
(28:12):
It's because there's a lot of not so nice people
out there that love to leave threatening messages on my voicemail,
Like if they don't get a hold of me, I
get yeah, I get threats, I get nasty messages. So
sometimes I just let my voicemail box get full so
I don't have to listen to them. But but I
(28:33):
do try. If people text me, I do try to
respond to those texts as much as I can. It's
it's hard, but because I'm busy. I have a life,
I have a family, I have a business, and then
I'm out here. If I'm not doing presentations, I'm answering,
I'm doing podcasts like this, I'm talking to other people.
(28:56):
So but we're doing the best we can. So it is.
It is truly a grassroots effort. No one is getting paid,
None of our volunteers are getting paid to do this.
They are all doing it because they believe in the cause,
and they believe that we should be free and that
our property should be ours once we buy, buy and
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pay for it. Correct x M I.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
Tax tax dot org and you'll find out how you
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please come back on if you have more updates and
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affects them. They vote on they vote yes on millages,
and then when their rent goes up, they move out
of town and they leave the rest of us to pay,
you know, to pay for the millages they just voted on.
This does affect you if you are renting, and when
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millages get passed, your landlord property taxes are going to
go up, and I will guarantee you he's going to
raise your rent. So you need to think about that.
Don't vote yes on these millages if you can't afford
your rent to go up. And once we eliminate property taxes,
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What us form today. I'm justin Barclay. Oh, welcome Inn.
We got Carlo with us today.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Carlo Agner an ax my text x A x A
x dot org and the movement is underway.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
They are collecting petitions.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
We want to get an update on that, where you
can sign if you haven't already signed yet, and what
you need to know because I've had some questions asked
about this at Evin and I was at last week
where folks were out we're collecting signatures for the petitions.
Plus Carlo, we got big stories that are breaking today
and I want to talk and walk through some of those.
It's the very same sort of scenario that we're seeing
play out with this story and as my tax wanted
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to get rid of property taxes and more. The stories
continue to to to unfold. When we're going to get
those and get the latest now, there also some questions,
and some of these are coming from fair. I think
fair minded people that want details on how this is
all gonna work. So we're gonna get those as well. Hey,
I don't know who made this, but Cardinal Welcome In.
I saw this today and I thought, man, that's this
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is a really good piece. Is this something you guys did?
Speaker 3 (01:20):
I think it probably is. Yes, we are welcome in.
We're getting very creative. We're getting very creative with all
of our a lot of graphics. We have some really
cool graphics, downloadable graphics on our website and uh, we've
got some you know what that and justin there's there's
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one that we just put out there, and this one
breaks my heart. It's called lose your spouse, lose your house,
Oh man, because that's what's happening to our elderly people
when they because they're because they're elderly, they started working
a long time go. You know, their income wasn't great,
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their pensions, their social security isn't great, not near as
much as what people are making now today. They've paid
off their house, but they can't afford the property taxes.
And when one of them passes away and they lose
that social security income or something right, they're toast they
have no options. They have no options. And look at
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what happens when we force people into nursing homes, you know,
nursing homes or assisted living. Those costs are so exorbitant
that these elderly people can't afford to pay them. They
end up having to sell their house or so Medicaid
and Medicare, whatever it is, kicks in that kind of stuff.
Their income from so long ago doesn't keep up with
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the inflationary cost of today, it really is.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
And you know, story after story like that that are
really you know, we're hearing more and more. In fact,
I just kind of talked about this off the end,
but there's a story that just broke with us the
other day. Eighty five year old Korean War disabled vet
here in Michigan, afraid he might lose his house because
and he's got a you know, he's got some acreage
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to but he's afraid he might lose it all, everything
he fought for because a drain commission came in and
decided they want to put a drain in. Five million
dollars later, he's got sixty thousand dollars bill. He says,
I'm eighty five. I don't wan't care about where I'm
going to come up with this.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Listen to Rudy and his own words describe how he's feeling.
Speaker 4 (03:32):
I'm disabled, veteran, I'm crowding ninety years sold and I
can't believe this is happening to me. I can I can't.
I'm scared. I can't afford it. I can't afford that
that kind of busted.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
I can't.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
I might have to sell my place. I don't know where,
and then where am I going to go?
Speaker 1 (03:56):
You know, I told him in this conversation, Carl, I said,
we're not First of all, we're not gonna it shouldn't
happen to anybody eighty five years old, but particularly not
someone who's served I think the worst courage. And I said,
in your situation, we're not going to take this line now,
and we're gonna stand with you and make sure that
he's got, you know, all the help and support that
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he can through this. But it's stories like this where
the government you get a sense for what happens when
people fall through the cracks and the government comes in
and just takes everything, and.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
You know, justin what right do they have to do that?
The only right they have is what we're giving them.
By not standing up, by not standing together, by not
doing something about it, we're allowing it to happen. We're
doing it to ourselves. We only have ourselves to blame
for letting the government get to this point. You know,
these are township officials and county officials that we have elected.
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What the heck where do they think they have the
right to come in take anyone's property that has especially
after it's been paid off. And you know, for us,
the income we're we're trying to eliminate property tax, which
unfortunately that drain Commission, those kind of things are still
going to need to be paid or addressed in some
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other way because it's property tax that we're eliminating, right,
But I think.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
It he's got an exemption.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
I think there's some sort of an exemption that he's
because he's a disabled veteran. But this exemption wouldn't cover
the drain uh charge, which which is which is wild
on top of it all, but anytime there's an opportunity,
a chance at all, that someone would lose their home
in a situation like this, it's criminal.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
It is criminal. And even the four even the fact
that they would force him to you know that he
would have to sell it, right like I might have
to sell my house, is what he said. But then
think about this justin how do you say your house
when there's a sixty thousand dollars or whatever the drain
commissioner's assessing his house for. How do you sell your
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property or your home with that kind of an assessment
on it. You're not going to get the value for
it that it should be, right, I mean, it's just
that this government crap has got to stop. There's there's
a time and a place for certain things. We know
we need progress, we know we have to pay for things,
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but certainly you don't take away one person's rights or
property to benefit another person. That's just wrongly, morally wrong.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Carlo Wagner and Acts my Tax, Absolutely, we're going to
walk through some of the questions that people have had
about Acts My Tax and the movement. In fact, right
now they're collecting signature. Is going to tell you they're
in dire need for you to come out in and
help them with signature collection, but also they're in dire
need of you to come out and actually sign the things.
(07:02):
So we're to tell you where you can do that
as well. There was an event I was at last
week with the West Michigan Patriots who had a whole
event on AI and there were folks there at the
back of the room signing Glad Gavin for those signatures.
So we're gonna give you the details on that. But also,
you know, this is on the website, and you and
I have talked about this before, and that's kind of
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sort of the focus of what we want to discuss today.
I know you have questions and things that you want
to bring up as well, but there is a frequently
asked question section on the website at xaxm I tax
dot org, axmtax dot org where you can get the
answers about all these So let's walk through some of them.
One of the biggest is what happens to police and fires?
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Are the schools going to shut down? You know there
are folks who say, look, I'm all about cutting the taxes,
but how is this going to work? And you've got
those answers inside there. I thought you had a great
way of addressing that. What do you say to some
of these questions.
Speaker 3 (08:00):
I want to talk about. I want to talk about
the police and fire first, because I I police and
fire are essential services, right, and they are there to
protect our rights and our property. So that is those
are two services the government is supposed to provide for us.
So our petition actually provides funding for essential services, meaning
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police and fire, and then it protects that funding so
it can only be used for essential services like don't
build me a pick a ball court if I need
a fire truck. Right, we need to keep the government,
the government needs to stop giving us all of these
fun fluffy things when when and then they threaten us
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that if we don't pay pass the image, they'll cut
off our police and fire services. So what that does,
it's it's a little bit complicatedicated for the average you know,
for the average person that doesn't know a lot about
budgeting and budgeting and stuff like that. The state already,
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when all of the sales tax goes to the state,
the state is constitutionally mandated to share some of that
sales tax back to every township in the state of
Our petition requires will require the state to also share
constitutionally a portion of the state income tax, which is
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the largest revenue source for the state is income tax.
We want a chunk of that bucket as well, and
we're going to also take a portion of the alcohol, marijuana,
and tobacco taxes that the state collects, and we're going
to force the state to send money from each of
those buckets down to every township and county in the
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state of Michigan, and that will help cover those essential
services cost And then, like I said, we're going to
protect that money so it can only be used for
those essential services. So that that's an easy explanation in
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a small nutshell, right, There's more to it than that,
but that's kind of like the easy basics first. Yeah, well, okay,
go ahead.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
You said you go ahead to get to the schools,
because that's a that's a good I don't think people
realize inside the wording and how how you get to
set up that you're making this because this is going
to be voted on, it's going to be constitutional, a
part of the income tax, it is going to be
taken uh and put aside for these services so that
it's guaranteed. Have you had any criticism on that?
Speaker 2 (10:41):
There little?
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Well that now this now it's going to be more centralized.
The state's going to be able to could control the
thousand sensors. Is that Has that been any issue at all.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
You know, Justine, Yes, yes. People go, well, you know,
now we're dependent upon this state, and I'm like, okay,
but the state, because it's constitutionally mandated, the state has
to do it. If it doesn't, every township and county
would have the right to sue the state because it
is constitutionally mandated. But the state has been sharing the
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portion of the sales tax. They've been sharing that for
a long time, many many years. So I don't see
why that would change because it has been working. What
our petition actually does, is it all of the money,
all of the taxes that we pay to the state.
The state gets so much money, you know, state income tax,
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corporate business tax, use tax, sales tax, lottery, real estate
transfer tax, all of those taxes that is a revenue
for the state. We find that the state is spending
that money foolishly, so we want to give them less
money to spend foolishly by saying you have to show
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share a portion of those tax revenues back down to
the townships in the counties. Stop pissing our money away
on stupid stuff and send it down to the townships
and the counties. So the townships in the counties can
tax us less at the local level, but our services
will still be there for us. That's what it's supposed
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to be. So what we're trying to do is save
our property number one, save our homes, save our farms,
save our businesses, and save our money, keep money back
in the pockets of the people. I'm a small business owner,
and I will tell you what justin you will see
for yourself. Restaurants and small businesses are closing across the
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state of Michigan. Why because the people of the state
of Michigan are taxed literally to death, and we don't
we're noticing it. We don't have we have nowhere near
the business that we've had before. Or why because people
have to cut out, They stop going They don't go
out to eat as much. Right, they can't go out
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to eat as much, they can't buy as many things
because they have to keep paying taxes. So it shuts
the whole economy down. I mean, we're paying so much
in taxes that people don't have the money to go
out and generate any other business. They can't keep businesses
in business. We're not generating enough sales tax. If you
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look at the state's budget from last year to last
year to this year, almost every single one of our
revenue buckets has decreased, except property tax revenue that's gone
up because they keep spending and they keep taxing us
more to pay for their spending, which means we have
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no money to spend the way we want to spend it.
We don't get a choice anymore. We can't go out
to eat because we have to pay property taxes. We
can't go out to eat because we have to pay
income tax. We can't go out to eat because we
have to pay another tax, and it's shutting down the
whole economy across the state of Michigan.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
Carlo Wagner ax my tax x AX m I tax
tax dot org for details on the initiative, where you
can find the petitions to sign and dig into it now.
We were asking because the frequently ask Questions portion of
the the website. It's a good place to get some
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of these answers because you're going to be talking to
people who say, I like this or I don't know
about this because I got questions about this part of
one thing or the other. And some people are going
to be very prepared to answer some of these questions
about the frequently asked questions unless you get to a
place where maybe you can have a conversation with Carla
or whatnot.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
But this is a great place to get that. So
what about the schools?
Speaker 3 (14:53):
Is that cool? Yep? So justin thank you very much
for bringing up the schools. What again, we have become
a society, right. Most people pay their property taxes through escrow.
A lot of them don't even look at their property
tax bills. But we hear about these school millages that
come up all right, that we have to vote on.
We just voted on a bunch of them across the
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state of Michigan on May six. Local school millages do
not educate your kids. Local school millages are for building maintenance,
playground equipment, football fields. That's what past debt, past debt.
It's like, Okay, we're paying on past debt that somebody
else voted on. I didn't vote on past debt, right,
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So local school millages that come up that we need
to vote on has nothing to do with the education
of the kids. The only part of your property tax
bill that educates your kids is called the state education tax.
That money goes to the state. It goes into the
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state education tax bucket in Lancing, and then it flows
into the public school aid fund. The public school aid
fund is twenty billion dollars. The state only collects two
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point seven billion dollars from our property taxes that goes
into that bucket. So it's a twenty billion dollar bucket.
And the state collects two point seven billion from our
property tax. Where does the other seventeen point three billion
come from? All of the other taxes we pay. So
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part of your state intem tax, part of corporate business tax,
part of the use tax, part of the beer and
wine tax, part of your sales tax, the lottery right,
real estate transfer tax, all of those their sources of
revenue for the state also fund the public schools. So
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the attendance in the public schools has dropped by fifteen
percent and its continues to drop. Representative Jim Desana, House Rep.
Just wrote a bill to eliminate the state education tax
off homeowners property tax bills. Why why would a legislator
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do that? Because they know that the public school bucket
is grossly overfunded, grossly overfunded. So he's trying to eliminate
the school the property taxes, the state education tax, off
our property taxes to save people some money because the
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schools don't need it. People are sending their kids, they're homeschooling,
or they're sending their kids to a private or a
Christian school, and yet they are still taxed to pay
for public schools. And we have the worst education quality
across the nation. How is this possible? It doesn't even
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make sense. And they want to keep throwing more money
at our schools, but we just keep getting less worse results.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
We got Greta on the chat right now over the
Freedom Fam VIP and he said, Hey, ask Carl about
this path. Apparently there's a two million dollar path, a
county path on school property that folks are spending lots
of money on a sus Rockford is drowning and money.
But you know it's it's all the expensive folks who
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are paying it that some of them can't afford it.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
That is so true, Justin and I think what he
is speaking about, dirty little devil. I think what he's
asking me about is there's a tiny section of a
county trail that runs through a little bit of Rockford
Public school property. And that's why we have a Parks
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and Rex millage. That Rockford Public School has a parks
and Rex millage because they said, well, because we have
that little park, that little trail running through a piece
of our property, that's how they tried to sell it
to people. But it's really football fields and playground equipment
and a little piece of that county park. But the counties,
the county, you pay the county to maintain county parks,
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so they're double dipping. I mean, there's so many of
these millages that are double dipping that we pay for
these things through all of the other taxes we pay
when we send the tax to the state, and then
we have to pay for them on our local property
tax bills as well. That tells me these schools, these
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community colleges, this ISD, they don't know how to budget.
We have to budget. People are having to budget. We
are doing without to pay taxes for people that don't
know how to budget. I'm telling you what if your
township officials, if you're county officials, if you're state legislators,
if they don't balance their own check book at home,
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how in the heck are they able to balance a
township county or a state budget. We got to start
electing better people, more educated people, and fiscally responsible people,
and people who give a rip about us losing our
homes and our properties instead of them worrying about losing
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their parks or their splash pads, their pickleball courts, or
their jobs. Our property and our rights are more important.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Carlo Wagner with X my tax ax tax dot Org.
I know you're well in a way trying to get
these signatures. You got a deadline you got to hit.
You get hundred thousand, you gotta get so a lot
of work is in a way, but not just six
hundred thousand. They've got to be all the eyes dotted,
t's crossed. I mean, this stuff has got to be
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meticulous here. How are you doing that? And what do
you need right now? More than anything else.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
You know what, justin the circulators that we have are
so excited and so wanting to do this that sometimes
we don't pay attention to the details. And I'll tell
you what. We try and send out all the instructions.
We try to give people training as much as we can.
(21:38):
We have a lot of seasoned circulators out there, but
unfortunately I think it was in October of twenty twenty
three Border canvassers wrote or redid their forty three or
forty eight page manual. Things have changed, Things have changed
since some of these people have collected signatures be four. So,
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like you said, we have to make sure our t's
are crossed and our eyes are dotted, and everything has
to be done very specifically because we are taking money
away from three levels of government and they don't like it.
They don't like it, so they are going to scrub
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these petitions very thoroughly, very thoroughly. They're going to look
at them and we're going to kind of be at
their mercy. That's why we need to collect six hundred
thousand or more because our minimum is like four hundred
and seventy seven thousand good ones. So we have to
collect six hundred to six hundred and fifty thousand because
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we know that there's going to be an attrition rate
where they're going to throw a bunch of them out right,
So we do ask that circulators pay attention to the
pay attention to the instructions, ask questions. If they are
in doubt on how to fill these out, you have
to babysit the signers as they're signing them. But it
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is easy once you figure it out how to do
it correctly, it's easy. I'm having people turn in fifteen
hundred petitions that they've collected. You know, people are reaching
their personal goals of a thought. They're like, I want
to get a thousand signatures, and they are reaching those
goals already two months into it. I had a young
lady the other day that picked petitions up. She goes,
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I'll be back, Carla. My goal is six thousand signatures myself.
She wants to get one percent of our totals. She
wants to get herself. People are so excited about this.
They see the need to eliminate property tax. We just
need to make sure we're doing it right.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
Yeah, that's for sure.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
Where can folks, by the way, because I know that
you're going to be out and about. People are going
to want to sign this. They're going to want to
get out and find out where to go. I know
on the website there is some details about events to
your schedule to be at and where folks.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Can find you.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
Yeah. If they go to the website and look under events,
they will not only see where I will be doing presentations,
but they will also see where other people are going
to be just for signing opportunities. And we have captains
and probably seventy eight of the counties of the eighty
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three counties, and hopefully when I go up north, I'll
sign up those other counties. But you know, people are
on the Facebook page, so they say, hey, where do
I sign in Holland where do I sign in Ostiola?
Where do I sign? And we do try to address them.
It is very difficult to try to reach out and
find just a single signer. What we're trying to do
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is put this information on the website so they can
find us. It's much easier for them to come out
and find us than for us to go around and
drive around try to find individual signers.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
There's one of Jimmy's roadhouse. It sounds delicious, by the way,
Yeah good. You could kill two birds with one stone.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
It sounds like you can see where it says presentation,
so you where on some of them it said presentation,
which will mean a whole full blown presentation. And a
lot of these other ones, like this one Alpina County
Courthouse that's just going to be a signing. That means
that there's gonna be people there just collecting signatures. There's
other ones that will say presentation in that in that thing,
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and those are like, here's one inn Ontonagan up in
the Up, presentation. I have some wonderful people up in
the UP. I feel like a rock star. Not a
good one, but I feel like a rock star because
I have people in the Up that are putting together
a up tour for me. I'm going from one end
of the Up to the other. They're booking me and
tons of tons of the counties up there. You know,
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we need we need to let those people they don't
have They don't they don't count for a lot of
the Michigan's population or registered voters, but man, they want
this done as badly as the people here in the
Lower Peninsula. They need to have the opportunity to use
their signature and their voice and their vote to talk
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about this is just like everybody else does. That's why
I'm going to go up there and spend probably about
ten days, and on the way down, I'll be hitting
a couple on my way back. Everybody needs to use
their voice and their vote to get this done. We
need to stop the theft of It's not only the
theft of our property justin it's the theft of our equity,
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our generational wealth, our liberty, our safety, our privacy, and
our dignity, which you just proved by having that elderly
gentleman on there who has done his service to our
state and to our country. And this is how we're
going to repay that, this by taking his property or
(27:03):
forcing him to sell. Yeah, can you tell how frustrated
I am.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
Hey, it's simple, folks, stop paying rent to the government
for property you already own. That's essentially the call for
this ax my tax petition. You want to find out
maybe you have some more questions about it, Carlson, open books,
you'll answer your questions. You want to go through the
FAQ there. You can also find out where to sign
(27:31):
this and volunteer. Right now they need some help getting
people out to get these things circulated. You can volunteer,
you can donate your time or your treasure, but they're
open to both. If folks want to ask you questions,
maybe find you in person in the presentations.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
Or where else should they they check there?
Speaker 3 (27:49):
Carlin, you know the presentations are great. We do have
a one eight hundred number. It's usually the voicemail is full,
but I if they text me, I try to get
back to them there. They can always call my cell
number that gets full too, And I'll tell you. I'll
tell you why justin I let my voicemail box get full.
(28:12):
It's because there's a lot of not so nice people
out there that love to leave threatening messages on my voicemail,
Like if they don't get a hold of me, I
get yeah, I get threats, I get nasty messages. So
sometimes I just let my voicemail box get full so
I don't have to listen to them. But but I
(28:33):
do try. If people text me, I do try to
respond to those texts as much as I can. It's
it's hard, but because I'm busy. I have a life,
I have a family, I have a business, and then
I'm out here. If I'm not doing presentations, I'm answering,
I'm doing podcasts like this, I'm talking to other people.
(28:56):
So but we're doing the best we can. So it is.
It is truly a grassroots effort. No one is getting paid,
None of our volunteers are getting paid to do this.
They are all doing it because they believe in the cause,
and they believe that we should be free and that
our property should be ours once we buy, buy and
(29:17):
pay for it. Correct x M I.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
Tax tax dot org and you'll find out how you
can get involved in any of these different ways. Carlo,
thank you for the ladies in the heads up and
please come back on if you have more updates and
O folks want to hear from you.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
Justin Can I just renters? Can I just say real
quick about renters. A lot of renters don't think this
affects them. They vote on they vote yes on millages,
and then when their rent goes up, they move out
of town and they leave the rest of us to pay,
you know, to pay for the millages they just voted on.
This does affect you if you are renting, and when
(29:57):
millages get passed, your landlord property taxes are going to
go up, and I will guarantee you he's going to
raise your rent. So you need to think about that.
Don't vote yes on these millages if you can't afford
your rent to go up. And once we eliminate property taxes,
rent will be more affordable, and more importantly, home ownership
(30:20):
will be more affordable. Thank you, Thank.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
You, you have it God blessed. Thank you so much
for taking the time. We appreciate you.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
Thank you, Justin. I appreciate you too as well.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
Thank you, Carlin Wagner X my tax AXMI tax dot or.
Speaker 5 (30:36):
I'm doctor Kirk Elliott, founder of Kirk Elliott Precious Metals.
After being in the industry for more than a decade,
I knew there was a better way. It's an exciting
time to invest in gold and silver with the most
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(30:58):
you sell. We would love to connect with you, so
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Speaker 2 (31:04):
Or go to gold with Justin dot com.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
I got good news and bad news. The good news
is it's a deal and a steal for you. The
bad news is I missed out.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
Well. I just bought a bunch of betting.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
I just bought a bunch of new pillows and sheets
and things from Mike Lindella at my Pillow and I
didn't get this good of a deal for a little
bit of time. Mike is selling his pillows, the classic
fourteen eighty eight. That's it, the my pillow, the thing
that started at all just fourteen eighty eight. He had
one of these big box stores that canceled on him.
You know how they do well. This is actually your win.
(31:40):
It's a win for everyone. Win for Mike because he
can unload the pillows at the great price. It's a
win for you because you get a good deal and
you can help support this program at the same time.
Get your pillows for fourteen eighty eight. When you go
to my pillow dot com slash justin, use code Justin
at checkout. That's my pillow dot com slash justin and
why you're there? Shot for all kinds of great things.
I love the towels, the best talents I've ever used
(32:02):
in my entire life.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
Good Mike's got all kinds of great goodies. And thank
you for being here today. Don't forget to share.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
Follow me everywhere at mister Justin Barkley on all the
platforms at Justin Barkley dot com.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
You get my good news letter.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
We can stay in touch no matter what happens with
big tech and social media. Let's continue to get the
stories out so that people can hear the truth.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
Why does that matter?
Speaker 1 (32:25):
Well, when you hear the truth and you can make
the best decision for you and your families, And that's important.
And no matter what happens, folks, my peace, my home
doesn't come from my circumstances. Certainly doesn't come from the
people that are in the White House or in Washington,
d C.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
My piece, my hope, my joy is from some place altogether.
Much better, keep your eyes focused on him. God is
still on the front. God bless
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