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a great time with everybody, But today I wanted to
bring you the full conversation. It's over an hour between
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(02:33):
sense obviously spoken at links about it in how he
thinks things have gone too far. But you know doctor
Robert Malone, he's been a warrior out there the last
several years.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Got a brand new book that I think you need
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Speaker 2 (02:48):
He's going to talk about the book and a lot
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and talked about. Oh yes, measles, the bird flew and
all the other outrage that they're trying to the fear
they're trying to pump into our veins on a daily basis.
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So get ready.
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on all of it in today's show. So get ready,
here we go. Thanks for being here with us today.
God bless doctor Robert Malone. I welcome in. I gotta
(03:28):
say I just freshly watched a clip of Joe Rogan
and Woody Harrelson, which I'm sure you see.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
By not just talking about you and there this guy
got it right about everything, you know, and they just
went on.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
I'm sure you got to love But at the same time,
it's one of the scenarios when you are right about
things you just don't want to be right about.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Well, that's fair enough. It was.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
You know, what we're talking about is the COVID crisis
and the government lies and government and pharma and hospitals
and you know, just goes on and on in the
corruption of the medical system. And you know, my personal beef,
of course, was that through their manipulations and lives, they
(04:18):
were destroying the kind of the foundations of the career
that I built as a specialist in clinical research and
regulatory affairs and bioethics and just blowing through that in
a way that they just kind of didn't even think
about the consequences or care. They were just obsessively focused
on getting a needle in every arm for whatever reason.
(04:40):
That's a that's a whole separate thread of why this obsession,
but it was there, there's no question about it, and I.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Agree it was.
Speaker 4 (04:53):
One of the hardest things for me in my journey
over the last four years is somebody, you know, this
labeled as a misinformation spreading anti vaxxer.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
You can look at my wikipiety page.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
And all kinds of other ugly things, even uglier on
social media. I've been attacked by both sides as a
mass murder because I invented this technology when I was
twenty eight, and because I was speaking out against it
in the present and that was causing vaccine hesitancy, and
of course the assumption there being that coronavirus is highly
(05:28):
lethal and the vaccines were safe and effective. All lies.
But it certainly has been a quoting grateful dead. It
has been a long, strange trip, and you know, you
(05:50):
can't look back and say, oh, I wish it was otherwise,
you become who you are because you've been tried and tested.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
For both my wife.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
And I, we've grown quite a bit, and you know,
of course now we have international reputations or we're internationally infamous,
depending on which side of fence you're on. But at
least here in my local community, there's a lot of
folks that support me here in Red County in Virginia,
(06:23):
So there's that.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Well, listen, I know it's got to be tough, but
you know, when you do the right thing a lot
of times. It's not easy. But I am grateful for
people like you and for you know, a handful of
others that during the time. I just remember, a massive
shift happened for us in the program that I do
(06:46):
here during that time because so many people wanted the truth,
They wanted answers, they even wanted good news, something as
simple as good news about hospitalization numbers, or it could
have been anything, and they weren't getting it. It was
always is a constant drum beat of just bad news
and fear, and.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
Yeah, fear promoted fear.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
I call it psychological bioterrorism. Yes, it follows.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
You know. One of the things that I've had a
series of these epiphanies over the last four years that
kind of rocked my world. You know.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
One of them was grappling with whether or not we
are the good guys versus the narrative of American exceptionalism
and certainly the USA. I d disclosures from DOGE uh
make it a lot harder to make the case that
we're the good guys.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
Choosing my words there.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
But one of them was in the in the process
of writing this books I work, I had posted what
we do with our books is we serialize them on
substack because we make a lot more money on substack
than you ever do in a book, and there's no
way that we could sustain ourselves on a book advance
(07:59):
these days, but substack pays for the hay in our mortgage.
And as I was writing essays on substack, one of
our readers.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
We have a very active reader community.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
They like to read more than they want to watch videos,
so they're generally not young people, and one of them
posted that I should look at this interview from twenty
seventeen that was published in a New Zealand journal with
a former Russian KGB officer who had retired as a
(08:42):
Russian kg intelligence officer who had been one of the
lead specialists in Russia on bio warfare, and he laid
out in this interview what he described as standard spycraft
involving the exploitation of fear around infectious disease as a
(09:04):
tool for disrupting economies and a number of other issues.
That's in chapter four of the book, in the chapter
title of psychological Bioterrorism. I recently republished that article that
chapter on substack.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
If anybody wants to go find it.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
But if you step through the process and steps and
roles and responsibilities and different communities that get involved in
promotion of this fear of infectious disease, what you find
is that in this interview from twenty seventeen, so long
before the COVID crisis, what's laid out are a series
(09:45):
of steps that precisely mirror the propaganda and strategy that
is apparently deployed during COVID, and by the way, also
precisely mirror the current bird flu fear and the fear
of monkey pocks, et cetera, et cetera. This is all
(10:06):
intentionally weaponized. That's not a conspiracy theory. And you can
follow the steps of how the narrative gets you know,
it's a false narrative.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
It gets injected into.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
Media, typically lower level media, and then it gets built
basically using something akin to Nancy Pelosi's wrap up smear strategy.
It gets built into larger and larger media. It gets
amplified by academics that are cited that are you know,
friendly to whatever the narrative is because they have.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
That's what she called it merchandise. Nancy called it merchandised.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
That's that's a good way to put it. So, so
that's what we've been subjected to. You know, we're still Uh,
all we can do is is kind of sense the
shape in the general outline of who the but masters
are that are behind all this. And there's been a
(11:03):
lot of speculation. You know, people used to think it
was Tony Fauci, then they thought it was Klaus Schwab,
then they thought it was the Builderbergs and the Atlantic Council.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
And you know, we can go on and on and on.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
But absolutely the global promotion of these narratives involved U, S, A, I,
D and CIA.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Is can fear make you sick? I hear you talking
about this?
Speaker 3 (11:29):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (11:30):
And with suicide, it's associated with depression, it's it's associated
with excess all cause mortality. Uh, there's all kinds of
things that are derivatives of fear. It is absolutely, you know,
anathema to making America healthy again. This promoted fear narrative.
But still those engineers or agents that do this. Here's
(11:58):
my fear, frankly, justin is that the pharmaceutical industry has
assimilated this process of weaponization and fear of infectious disease
as part of their marketing and propaganda promotion campaigns. So
it's not just government, it's also Pharma that's a stakeholder,
(12:18):
and Pharma acts through it, and of course Bill Gates.
It acts through a number of nefarious mechanisms, such as
the Foundation for CDC, which they've created a slush fund.
It's congressionally approved that Gates and Pharma donate to and
then can get CDC to do their bidding, and then
CDC uses this slush fund to fund public good projects.
(12:42):
Public good projects funds, shots Heard around the World, Shots
Heard around the world funds these cyber stocking and gang
stocking operations against physicians and others that are saying things
that whoever it is that's the puppet master doesn't want
to be said, et cetera, et cetera. We have the
(13:02):
Global Alliance for Responsible Media, we have the Trusted News Initiative,
we have all these large kind of transnational organizations now
that are engaging in this. As Shallenberger and tay you,
we call it censorship industrial complex, but it's so much
more than just censorship.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
I want to ask about those those programs that you
just mentioned, and maybe what's happening with Doge and the
efforts within the Make America Healthy Again movement and how
things might change policy.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
Wise and whatnot here in a moment.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
But first let me go because you've got you just
said fear and so on the last few days we've
had massive and we've been talking about these stories. And
I just I'm not a you know, I'm not an expert,
but I'm just I can tell you that I've seen
enough media. I've seen enough stories that I see like
there's a there's something picking up here there there. It
(13:55):
feels like throwing things against the wall to see if
they can get something to stick.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Right now. I just say that that's my personal opinion.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
When I look at the the from a media perspective.
But here are some of these some of the headlines.
Let's talk about these stories here quickly. New coronavirus with
potential to cause pandemic discovered in China. This is a
this I think this was the bat lady, the Wuhan
bat lady. So she found the new new coronavirus. Is
(14:24):
this just a fear uh something that's that's kind of
drummed up with a fear tactic, or is this something
that that is concerning so.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
You have to look in the preceding narrative was a
human meta numa virus that was coming out of China.
You'll recall that that was a promoted narrative, bear narrative
that got a lot of parents worked up, because human
meta numavirus has been in the population for decades and
it has a very similar pathology and disease profile to
(14:57):
respiratory some social virus. A lot of stuff that's true
to RSV is actually human num of ours. So that
that's an example here. In reviewing these things, you will
see these promoted narratives that use a very alarming inflammatory language,
(15:18):
and yet you have to have the presence of mind
to dissect that. So here the key phrase in the
lead headline with potential to cause pandemic. So likewise, bird
flu is promoted as this great fear thing in the
current narrative. But the truth is that even the CDC
(15:41):
says that it's a low risk for humans, there's no
evidence of human to human transmission efficiently sustained, and it's
not putting a lot of people in the hospital or
in graves. So it's you know, and originally it was
promoted as fifty percent lethal bird flu was and you've
had Robbert Redfield reciting that statistic from the WHO, which
(16:03):
is basically a sampling artifact.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
It has to do with, you.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
Know, stuff that gets reported to the WHO is the
most severe cases. So when you see headlines like this,
if you're somebody who is alert to these promoted narratives,
you have to take the time, and most people won't.
These are designed to create an impression in your mind,
(16:27):
particularly when they're repeated. But if you do take the time,
and this is a big part of what we do
on Substack is we find things like this and then
we tear them apart. If you walk through this, you'll
find that the information doesn't really support the headline. But
(16:49):
people don't have the time and they don't have the background.
They're not molecular virologist, immunologists, vaccinologists, and they can't really
process any more than the fear narrative that's promoted in So,
for instance, if you're talking about bird flu, it's called
repeatedly in the press hypathogenic avian influenza, and so the
(17:12):
question comes, well, how lethal is it in chickens?
Speaker 3 (17:15):
For example?
Speaker 4 (17:17):
The answer is one hundred percent lethal because if your
flock gets infected, the us DA comes and kills them all. Yeah,
so it's one hundred percent lethal because of human intervention.
But if you didn't do that, what for action, the
chickens would die unknown because they haven't actually done the studies.
So you know, another example of a false promoted narrative.
(17:41):
And when you see these things pop up, and they'll
often come in I don't know what this the source
is here, but it looks like.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
Male I think, or yeah, daily mail.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
Daily mail?
Speaker 4 (17:53):
Okay, So is daily Mail major media that's credibly sourced
or is it a propagand outlet and in many ways
a propaganda outlet. So are many of the British publications
that come out with these spectacular headlines.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
To your pointbloids, Not to interrupt you, but to your point,
that was that was I think yesterday or the day before.
And then the follow up, the follow up to that
is now they've taken it and they've expanded. Here's a
Vanderbilt professor who says he's terrified about this thing.
Speaker 4 (18:29):
Yeah, so that that entirely tracks with what I'm calling
psychological bioterrorism. You'll have this uh storyline injected into a
lower level media. And then you'll have an academic who
has some financial stake in this and and they basically
the entire infectious disease community prouly, the academic research community,
uh makes hey while the sun shines with these outbreaks,
(18:52):
because what the ecosystem is that you stir up this
fear in the public. Public puts pressure on the politicians.
Politicians put pressure on the nih IH and BARTA initiate
these large programs like the half billion dollars to return
it to develop a new bird flu vaccine that was
(19:12):
pushed through at the last minute of the Biden administration.
So that this is a way to turn on the
tap if you're an academic that's in this space, and
you have to be aware of that these people are
not unbiased.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
It really is.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
And you know, it's very interesting because now along with
what Dog's done and the I'm sort of unvailing what's
happening at the USAID and these media companies that were
on the take they were getting money, we're starting to
see where that funding was going. Every bit of what
you just said, you can start to actually see the
dots connect. It's becoming I think all the things that
(19:53):
we had a gut feeling, a new somehow we're going on.
We're really starting to see that the real evidence of
it now.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
Thank you Elon and Doge.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
The Doge initiative is fascinating and it is potentially scalable
across the world by the way, either directly overtly through
partnerships with other nation states that may wish to kind
of disambiguate what's going on inside by their own deep
state organizations, and also by let's say, gently intelligence communities
(20:28):
that have toolkits, that have can openers metaphorically speaking, that
can gain access to databases in hostile or frenemy organizations, governments,
and basically take this kind of bought automated.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
Bought approach to.
Speaker 4 (20:55):
Grabbing and cataloging data and structuring relationships. The capabilities here
are profound and powerful, and if you allow me just
to illustrate it with an example that's not a direct analogy,
but very much eliminating. Blackrock became the monster that it
(21:19):
currently is, the global financial powerhouse consequent to its authorization
under the Obama administration to distribute the TARP funds. How
is that anything like Dog? So what Blackrock did is
they said, well, if you're going to receive this money
(21:40):
from us, we have to be able to provide accounting
and tracking for how you spend the funds. So therefore,
you have to let us into your books. You have
to let us use our algorithmic tools to search through
all of your transactional records and your financial records and
(22:00):
those of secondary recipients of the money. And as a consequence,
Blackrock built the largest global financial transaction database in the world.
And having this in hand, now they were able to
do algorithmic projections of future economic activity and use that
(22:25):
to guide their own investment decisions, just like Trump is
going to use the knowledge of the audit of Pentagon
and Treasury and let's hope the Federal Reserve and everything
else to discern what is really happening in those organizations
(22:46):
and then set policy and make proactive actions based on
that intelligence. Because that's what it is, financial intelligence, granular
financial intelligence. And it won't be very long until we're
grabbing and utilizing that information from friend and foe to
(23:06):
make predictions about what they're doing and what they're going
to do in the future. This is akin to what
Google and Amazon and everybody else does in Silicon Valley
to all of us by grabbing all the data they
can about us, audio and written, and then building behavioral
(23:27):
profiles or avatars of us based on all that information,
and then building what are essentially predictive algorithms behavioral futures
that they then sell for a variety of purposes, intelligence
(23:49):
and commercial to whoever wants to buy them, so that
people can people third parties can predict whether or not
you're ready to buy a car, or what your political
party affiliation is, or you know, a period of other things.
This is all going to be made possible, in part
by the kind of approach that Dog is taking to
(24:10):
the US government, and we can only hope that it's
that all that information is used for our benefit as
taxpayers and it won't be in some way weaponized against
us in the future.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
It really is interesting as you start to plug in
the AI connection on some of these things, and we
saw a story. I work with it, probably not to
the extent that most people do, but if you know
the little bit that I've noticed and how advanced it's
gotten this in the last few months, and how quick
it's moving, and you know, I use it with little
(24:45):
things to make my job quicker, easier, make me better
at certainly could be a good.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
It could be a good investigative tool. It's it's a
better search engine than Google is basically AIS, except for
the fact that the training of these AIS as bias.
So you can get access to information that you might
not otherwise readily access, say through Google or Brave, but
(25:11):
it comes it's spun just the same as Google and Brave.
The other day, Jill, my partner and wife you know
for forty six years, was researching an essay that she
was preparing for a substack, and she wanted to talk about,
(25:32):
you know, the same topic of propaganda and information manipulation,
and she chose to use the example of how Joe Rogan,
which is a hot topic now because of that clip
that you referred to earlier, how Joe Rogan had been
(25:53):
impacted by third parties to try to dissuade Spotify from
continuing to keep Joe Rogan on their platform, and there
was a concerted effort to basically deep platform Joe Rogan
off of Spotify, one of their major intellectual properties, and
a lot of people were aware because it's what the
(26:14):
press come covered about. Neil Young and Joni Mitchell UH
and and the kind of the Laurel Canyon hip crowd
of the sixties UH protesting this uh in in threatening
to withdraw their catalogs off of Spotify, which you know,
the young people were basically.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
Like, you know, who's who's uh, who's Neil Young? And
why should I care?
Speaker 4 (26:40):
But the truth is as revealed by I think it
was said at Judiciary House Judiciary that what transpired was
that Coca Cola Corporation used acted through GARM to get
GARM to threaten the Global Alliance Responsible Media, which was
(27:02):
set up by the World Economic Forum, to threaten Spotify
that if Spotify didn't do something about this notorious podcast
and this notorious podcaster, then Spotify would lose all of
their advertising revenue because GARM has a socket with, among
(27:24):
other things, AD Sense, which is what provides this kind
of global monopoly on advertising. This has to be broken up.
This is part of the antitrust actions that are ongoing
against Google right now. But that's the ecosystem. And so
Jill decided to search the various AIS Perplexity is where
(27:48):
she started to see if they would recognize that there
was this history of Coca Cola acting on Rogan consequent
to my.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
Interview, and none of them would acknowledge it.
Speaker 4 (28:06):
So then she would point out the judiciary report and
she would get the usual oh, I'm so sorry, I
overlooked that that the bots the AI send back to you.
And then she continued to persist and the AIS that
she was interacting with would acknowledge that Coca Cola had
(28:28):
some role in with garm should try to suppress Rogan
on Spotify, but they would never use my name. I've
apparently been blacklisted, as have others on a number of
these AIS. My name can't be used. I am he
who shall not be named in some of these and
that is the case with multiple of these algorithms and
(28:50):
other individuals that have been controversial from time to time.
That's what's happening right now as we turn to using
AI for these searches. What we're not aware of is
there are large blocks of information that are basically prohibited
from you knowing it. So they have basically algorithmically integrated
(29:12):
the Overton window. Things that Overton window of acceptable discourse
prohibits are engineered into the AI, so you can't even
get any answers for things that are outside of the
Overton window.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
It's fascinating.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
I've found and I mostly used chat GPT, I've used rock,
but when it tells me it can't do something, I
was just say why is that? And then nine times
out of ten I'll say, oh, sorry, I figured out
how to do it. So I don't know that it's lazy.
I don't want to say that, but I think that
there's some sort of conflict with rules happening.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
Yes, kind of what.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
You've described what you're doing.
Speaker 4 (29:55):
Then as you're smoking out those algorithmic fences that exist
within the these ais mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
It's it's fascinating because again we had a story today.
This is from the BBC AI cracks superbug problem in
two days. It took scientists years. They say, so I
not dig too far into this, but what is the
future when it comes to AI in any technology. I
(30:23):
kind of look at it and say, okay, we've got
good and bad. So there's there's it's like firearms or
you know fire Edison used to say electricity could cook
your meal or cook cook the man and cite like
the way that you use this in the hands that
it's in, I guess is going to determine it. And
as you mentioned, programming on this stuff too. But future
(30:44):
of AI and medicine do we have maybe some of
the good, the bad, and the ugly.
Speaker 4 (30:51):
So a great case study to illuminate this topic is
the press announcement that came out of the White House
on the day after the inauguration, in.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
Which we had Larry Ellison and his band of.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
You know people that Elon Musk hates because they have
taken Elon's money to build an AI that would be
open source, and then they've taken it private. And so
Larry pitched and it is a pitch. I mean, it's
an overt sales pitch that was made to a susceptible
(31:31):
and somewhat naive recipient that you could think of as
the ultimate federal acquisition officer, Donald Trump. And so Larry
and company pitched Donald Trump a solution to something that
is a pain point for Donald Trump. Now this is classical,
(31:51):
you know, as somebody trained in business development in a
Beltway bandit called task.
Speaker 3 (31:57):
It's now been bought.
Speaker 4 (31:59):
But this is what one is trained to do, is
you find the pain point for the government customer and
then you offer a solution that will resolve that pain
that will address that pain point, whatever it is. And
Donald Trump's among many Donald Trump's pain points is the
rise in the threat of communist China superiority in artificial intelligence.
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So it's a hot topic and it directly relates to
the issue of making America great again on shoring manufacturing
and other capabilities and enabling American innovation. The thesis is
that without advanced artificial intelligence, we're not going to be
able to adapt and innovate to the new world reality
(32:48):
commercial reality. So that's the promoted narrative that you must
have advanced AI. And when we say advanced AI, to
unpack that, the subtext there is a general autonomous artificial intelligence.
Right now, we have limited general AI, and so where
(33:09):
the current as you've noted, the current AIS are kind
of bot like and they don't represent true intelligence. They
represent the product of machine learning, where you've trained a
algorithmic on an algorithm on a data set, and then
once it's trained, then you let it loose on a
larger data set, trained and validated. So that's machine learning,
(33:34):
and most of what we call AI is really machine
learning algorithms. On the horizon is the general autonomous AI
that will be a supermined that will exceed human IQs
by ten hundred thousand fold.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
And in that.
Speaker 4 (33:58):
World that is part of the whole transhuman agenda. It's
anticipated that this general autonomous a I will take over
management of the world and management of a whole lot
of things, because it will be able to do so
with less bias, greater efficiency, no corruption, all kinds of
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things that are we're told will come with allowing the
machines to make our you know, decide how.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
To manage our world.
Speaker 4 (34:30):
So Larry is a transhumanist, and by the way, so
is Donald Trump. And this is a kind of a
new religion in Silicon Valley and among the hyperwealthy that
I find remarkably similar to another trend that existed when
I was a young man and and you know teen,
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which was the cryogenic preservation of heads.
Speaker 3 (34:56):
And the rich.
Speaker 4 (34:57):
People were all having those those that were out on
the edge, like Walt Disney, when they were dying, they
were having their heads cryogenetically preserved so that they could
at some point in the future be reawoken and attached
to a new head or whatever the idea was, a
machine or whatever.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
There's a that the movie Forever Frozen. There's a thought
out there that the movie Frozen was given its title,
and I don't know if it's true or not. That
so when people googled Disney frozen his head frozen, they
wouldn't get the story about his head being frozen.
Speaker 4 (35:32):
I won't put anything past Disney. Disney is increasingly evil
and woke, so you know they'll they'll do anything. But
so that's that's the world we're talking about. Is the
logic that as we move towards this machine hyperbrain, it
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is uh. You know, the movie The Matrix or series
of The Matrix is reckad depression about that individuals will
be able to upload their avatars, this kind of vector
sum of all that is known about them and all
that they've said and felt in their voice and everything else,
uploaded onto this new super computer reality, and they'll live forever.
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And by the way, that will enable space exploration and
colonization of Mars, because you'll no longer have to have
physical humans with all of their unsustainable environmental requirements. You
can just upload your consciousness, thank you Elon, into the
machine that gets uploaded into the spacecraft, and off you
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go to explore the world.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
Of Star Trek.
Speaker 4 (36:50):
And so that's where Larry Ellison at about eighty years old,
and I make the case in examining this pitch, it
was made that basically much of the impetus for this
transhuman world is coming from elderly tech bros that are
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now facing their mortality. And you know, or you could
say elderly godless tech bros if you wanted, but you
get the point. And so he makes this pitch to
Donald Trump about AI and we need to have this
new stargate interesting term that will provide this amazing new
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AI capability. Well, what he's not saying is that the
whole thing is really designed to enable general autonomous AI.
Speaker 3 (37:46):
And by the way, it will consume.
Speaker 4 (37:48):
Power again flashback to the matrix. It will consume power
at the level of all the natural gas utilization energy
utilization in the state of Exis on an annual basis. Okay,
so massive power requirements to create this huge thing. And
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so Larry apparently finds it necessary to come up with
some sort of a pitch strategy to get the dogs
to eat the dog food, to get people, the general
population to say, oh, yeah, absolutely, we need to have
a half trillion dollar program to enable general autonomous AI
because fill in the blank, what is what's you know,
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what is this going to do for you? Is the
question that has to be answered. And so Larry, I think,
without the authorization of Susie Wiles, interjects this narrative that
what they're going to use it for, among other things,
is customize personal cancer vaccines that can be made within
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forty eight hours robotically by Mr and a technology. Okay,
in that sentence, he's packed together four or five hot
buttons of the Trump administry. Mister Trump, you know, Joe
Biden has failed in his moonshot twice to cure cancer
despite all the money that's been spent. You know, there's
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we heard all about moonshot twice when he was VP
and then he was president, and yet there has been
no press about the amazing successes we've had on the
cancer front. Matter of fact, the big successes in the
cancer front have been things.
Speaker 3 (39:28):
Like ivermectin and n bendazol.
Speaker 4 (39:32):
And other alternative treatments that don't involve blasting your immune
system to shreds. So so then Larry pitches that we're
going to have this amazing capability. So then me and
like every other person that has any experience in cancer
vaccines looks at this and goes BS. But that that
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whole thesis that Larry pitched to the President and pitched
to all of us has been out there literally my
entire career. Okay, the idea of customized personal cancer vaccines
changes each time there's a new delivery system. And of
course now it's RNA in catonic lipids. But you know,
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before it goes all the way back, I had a
mentor who was the guy that founded the USC Cancer Center.
His name was Murray Gardner, and back in the sixties,
he had ties to the National Cancer Institute or whatever
it was back then, and he'd been shipped out to
the West Coast to kind of be the tip of
the spear from the East coast National Cancer institutent institutions,
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and he because he landed in LA he's a pathologist
working in cancer. He used to, he told the story,
he used to have these young male stars and starlet's
I guess whatever you call the male version of a
starlet come for assistance. Because now this is getting a
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little touchy for the general audience. Because they had anal
Warts innal Warts are infectious, and you don't have to
spend too much time with your imagination to figure out
what kind of cohort we're talking about here. Let's say
the same one with monkey pocks, and we'll just leave
it at that. And these folks, you know, this is
enormously painful and irritating and it will interfere with your
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movie career. So the studios are behind fix this. And
what Marie would do is he'd arranged with the surgeon
and they would cut out these lesions and they would
grind them up with standard adjuvants, which is to say,
preparations of fats and things that trigger inflammation, and reinject
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them back into these young men and the lesion would
disappear for some period of time.
Speaker 3 (41:51):
Usually we come back.
Speaker 4 (41:53):
But that was what was done then for personalized cancer vaccines,
and so what we've had is an evolution of a
series of things that are you know, increasingly refined technologically.
There was a period of time when there was all
kinds of excitement because there were veterinarians that were asserting
that they had come up with melanoma vaccines, and melanoma
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is kind of different in the dog and the horse
than it is in the humans. It's more easily treated,
it doesn't kill you in the same way. But you know,
there's all kinds of excitement about this. In a phase
one trial that looked really encouraging, we were going to
have customized melanoma vaccines. And then you got into phase
two where they just a little more rigorous and the
population size is larger and the.
Speaker 3 (42:35):
Air window of the balloon.
Speaker 4 (42:37):
And this has been the story of the whole cancer
vaccine field. There have been little fits and starts that
have been encouraging, but for the most part, and there
has been some advances in cancer immunology. But you know,
using artificial intelligence when the truth is that each of
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us have very unique immune systems. We have a lot
of diversity in what's called our major histic compatibility complex molecules.
It's the reason why infectious disease doesn't wipe out human
beings is because human beings are fairly diverse immunologically, and
that's a good thing. Just to further illustrate that, the
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extent that we all have Neanderthal DNA in our genomes,
a lot of that Neanderthal gna DNA comes from the
European Neanderthals that had evolved to resist a lot of
European infectious diseases, and they had certain genetic profiles in
their MHC molecules, their major histic compatibility complex molecules that
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made them more resistant to those just like I'm talking
about we should build chickens that are more resistant to
bird flu. And that legacy genetic legacy was so powerful
that we ended up with, say, the conquisodors. Just to
illustrate one of example, the European conquerors coming into North
in Latin America and decimating the indigenous populations because they
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didn't have those immune system legacy molecules, and so the
Europeans would bring their European diseases and there was no
genetic resistance, and we just wiped out huge amounts of
Native Americans as a consequence. You know, it was this
intentional bio warfare back in the day. Sometimes it was
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with things like infects, smallpox, infected blankets, but in other
cases it just kind of happened, and it illustrates the point.
So humans are really diverse genetically immunologically, and the idea
that AI is going to come in there and solve
what you know, genomics and all the other whiz bang
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techs have failed to do. Is just grossly naive and
it's an over cell and it was pitched to a
naive recipient who clearly is susceptible to this kind of
messaging around infectious disease. Case study being Operation Warp Speed
and the JEB. But it kind of illustrates this. You know,
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once again we're back in the world of propaganda in marketing.
And did Larry Ellison really come up with this because
he is passionately focused on developing customized vaccines. Hell no,
if he was, he would have done the diligence and
talk to people in the field. They would have told
him that what he's pitching is so yesterday's news as
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to be laughable. No, what he's really doing is trying
to justify a half billion, half trillion dollar investment in
a massive artificial intelligence infrastructure to get him too general
AI so that he can live forever.
Speaker 3 (45:55):
That's basically what's going on.
Speaker 2 (45:57):
Wow, you know, look at some of these things and
there's nothing new under the sun. Is kind of my
thought process, I.
Speaker 3 (46:05):
Mean, including drifting. Now, there are things that AI could
be useful for.
Speaker 4 (46:11):
In health so what AI is really good with is
crunching big data.
Speaker 3 (46:17):
And so just like.
Speaker 4 (46:19):
Doge is going through and crunching big data on financial transactions,
AI algorithms could be set loose on the various databases
like the one of our best in North in the
United States, one of our best health databases is the
one that's associated with the Military Services Health System, which
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by the way, isn't just soldiers, it's their wives as
their children and extends back up, you know, for the
older ones into the VA. So that database because it's
not controlled by HIPPA in the same way, and they
have all of these granular records that are all kept
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kind of in the same structure because it's all DoD
is more akin to the databases that exist for the
socialized medicine countries like Scandinavian UK. And so if you
were to set an AI tool loose on, for example,
the military database, you would find out all kinds of
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associations between behaviors, practices, environmental diet, et cetera. And frankly,
you would discover things that you didn't want to know,
like the CDC did when under congressional direction they came
up with a better version of the bears years ago,
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and suddenly when they beta tested it said, oh darn,
look at all these vaccine associated adverse events that we
didn't suspect were out there. Well, that's contrary to our
messaging about vaccines.
Speaker 3 (48:01):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (48:02):
And so what they do shot the messenger. They killed
the program and never implemented it, even though they were
congressionally mandated to and we were left with bears. But
that was by design and intention. That was not just
a random artifact.
Speaker 2 (48:19):
You know, the the questions we're getting about some of
these things. You know, I'll give you just a couple
and we'll make this quick here for you, but you know,
it is along the cancer treatment questions. It is questions
about ivermectin and some of the things that you just
mentioned are the truth and maybe the real answer for
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these these problems have been riding under our nose the
whole time.
Speaker 1 (48:45):
Is that?
Speaker 2 (48:46):
Is that what you're saying when you talk about some
of these questions about the you know, the these moonshot
ideas versus some things that are already working that we
see people have evidence on.
Speaker 4 (48:58):
So I'm sorry I was distracted during part of that
by reading something in the chat from one of your
commentators who is referring to doctor Artists asserting that I
didn't do what I did in all these patents behind me,
and in fact Curico and Weissman were the two.
Speaker 3 (49:17):
No, Kurico and Weisman did not get the.
Speaker 4 (49:19):
Nobel Prize for inventing mRNA delivery and mRNA vaccines. There's
no statement in their initial patents that have anything to
do with vaccines. They got the Nobel Prize explicitly for
their role in developing the COVID vaccine, nothing to do
with the base technology. And I'm sorry to burst your bubble,
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but Brian Artists is a chiropractor with no training in
this field. He shoots his mouth off. His big criticism
of me early on was I wasn't sufficiently Christian enough
and we've gone forth from that. So the snake venom story,
et cetera. Brian Artists is, in my opinion, somebody who
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is seeking attention and not a serious contributor to kind
of discerning truth in this space. But can you restate
your question?
Speaker 2 (50:13):
Yeah, the question is about cancer treatment, specifically an Ivermagdin
or some of the things that have come out.
Speaker 4 (50:23):
You America's covered in his new book that was censored
by Amazon and then put back up in which he's
he's become Merrick, who is arguably the most published intensive
care academic in the world in history, okay, and came
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up with this protocol that involves intravenous vitamin C intravascular
vitamin C for a treatment of doctor toxic shock that
can basically rescue people from death's door in when it's
used properly does And who was a supporter of hydracted
chloroquine I remact in an early treatment during COVID uh
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And of course he got defamed and deplatformed and censored
and blah blah blah, the same as me. So he
has become so disillusioned with academic medicine and peer review
quote unquote literature that he's concluded that he can't his
whole For him, it was truly kind of an existential crisis.
He realized that all of this information that he had
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built based his whole career on was biased and fraudulent,
and so he set about on a major undertaking largely
because he was so pissed off, uh in disillusioned in
looking at alternative medicine what we now call integrative medicine.
Chinese medicine. Uh and and uh you know, a botanical
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pharmacopeia and put together this volume focused on that, particularly
in the context of cancer, and he has become, together
with others, one of the proponents of the broad spectrum
activity of ibermactin, particularly together with ben bendissol, for a
variety of cancers, particularly glandular cancer's, breasts, prostate and others,
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not so much the lymphatic cancers like chronic myologist leukemia.
So for anybody that really wants to dive into this world,
I recommend that you look up Paul Merrick's book and
consider buying it, and don't treat it as the gospel truth.
Absolutely find a if you're if you're somebody who's questioning
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oncology current practice that is basically involves blasting your body
with highly toxic substances which also kill off your immune system,
which is what you need in or to overcome your cancer. Uh,
you know, think about looking at this and then finding
an integrated medicine specialists, somebody experienced oncology, but with alternative strategies.
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If you don't want to go down the currently accepted
ecology protocol pathway.
Speaker 2 (53:13):
So a couple other quick questions, and one I think
would be about the policy you talked about, make America
healthy again, make America great again. And these are great
ideas as slogans and whatnot, but when it comes to
policies and what we might see play out, particularly as
RFK takes the reins here and maybe some of the
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things that people are hoping to see come to pass.
Speaker 4 (53:41):
So I after Bobby managed to squeak by the hearings,
and I think he gave up too much because he
ended up fifty two forty eight. He could have tolerated
fifty one or even fifty to fifty and Vice President
breaking the tie. But he committed to various senators, including
the senator from Louisa Sienna who's an MD, that there
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were certain things that he wouldn't do in questioning the
Advisory Committee on Ammunization Practices, that the CDC was one
of them. He kind of got hogtied a little bit
on the whole vaccine story. And remember that Donald Trump
is still absolutely deeply embedded in the belief system that
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his Operation warp Speed and his mRNA vaccine saved millions
of lives. And so many people have told Donald Trump
that this is true, and it's something that he wants
to believe that the voices that are saying not so
much just get no traction with Donald Trump. Now, this
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may be changing, so I hear from the inside, but
that's the current status. So Bobby lands in a situation
that in many ways is kind of hostile territory all
up and down the food chain. And he's amazingly charismatic,
very persuasive, experienced in the nefarious ways of pharma and
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pharma backstabbing, but he is not experienced in the nefarious
ways of the deep state and the bureaucracy so much.
And while he was distracted with getting through confirmation, the
deep state managed to slip in some real not so
aligned people like Jerry Parker, dBm, PhD, Associate Dean for
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One Health, which is basically a World Health or I mean,
a United Nations program kind of akin to the Green Agenda,
et cetera, who is now, ostensibly, according to CBS News,
the White House Director for Pandemic Preparedness and Policy. And
I can tell you from personal communication that Bobby not
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only didn't know who Jerry Parker was after he was confirmed,
he didn't even know there was a White House Office
of Pandemic Planning and Policy, which is outside of AHHS.
So Bobby has got an issue with all kinds of
you know, surreptitious nefarious activity from the deep state and
bureaucracy in general. But on the positive side, he has
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a clear unequivocal mandate from Donald Trump for two main things.
One one, if you want to understand that mandate, I
recommend that you look at the executive order in the
creation of the MAHA Coalition, which is a pen governmental
organization includes top leadership from a variety of agencies across
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the government, including Treasury, and in that executive order, Trump
laid down certain directives I'll talk about moment in general,
Bobby and his colleagues.
Speaker 3 (57:07):
That broadly we could call the MAHA leadership in the government.
Speaker 4 (57:13):
People like Jay Boditaria have been given a mandate by
the President to show measurable improvements in the health of
American citizens within twelve to eighteen months.
Speaker 3 (57:24):
That is a huge lift.
Speaker 4 (57:26):
Nothing like that has ever existed before in terms of
a presidential directive, and he's going to need all our
help to get there. And the things that you can do,
particularly the listener is do your best to drop some weight.
I've dropped fifty pounds of the last two years. You
can do it too, and that will improve your health
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and your energy and all kinds of things, your risk
for heart disease and diabetes and so.
Speaker 3 (57:54):
Many other things.
Speaker 4 (57:56):
There's many things we can do to help Bobby. He's
going to need all helping get But if we kind
of dial back to the Executive Order, what it lays
out is a focus on chronic diseases, and explicitly it
directs MAHA in this MAHA Commission to focus on children's
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health and children's chronic disease, And explicitly within that is autism,
a topic that Donald Trump sincerely cares about, and other
chronic diseases, the epidemic of chronic disease and obesity in
children in particular, and also the over medication of children
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using a variety of agents that basically collectively act to
basically drive our particularly young men, young males, into a
state of uh, you know, uh, submissive haze where they
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will no longer be hyperactive, uh in in no longer
being questioning authority, and no longer be acting out. They'll
just be drugged and uh appliable in our public school
systems UH and and so I think we can expect
to see movement, particularly as it relates to children's health.
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And that is the authorization that is now allowing UH,
Robert F. Kennedy and and those aligned with him to
begin moving through UH these issues like the vaccine event
adverse Event Reporting System, the CDC, the f d A,
the ni H, and in particular, the mission that's that
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Bobby is laid out through MAHA is to refocus the
federal bureaucracy in federal R and D enterprise health related
are Indie enterprise towards health promotion as opposed to disease treatment.
That sounds like a small shift to some people, it's
a huge shift in terms of the bureaucracy because all
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of these organizations are the technical term is siloed. They
are all very much siloed around specific diseases. And so
there's basically thought leaders and administrators and a whole ecosystem
around each of these diseases, and they don't really coordinate.
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So if you have diseases like obesity that cut across
and explain a lot of underlying nuanced diseases, specific diseases
that are silos. Those silos don't cooperate very well with
each other, and the real problem is obesity in that example,
So I think you can expect to see Bobby focusing
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and the people surrounding him and his team and his
chief of staff, et cetera, focusing on reorienting the bureaucracy
towards health promotion by doing things like eliminating known toxins
in our food supply. The risk with Mahawk, which I remember,
Maha comes from the left. Bobby is a self professed
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Kennedy Democrat, which is to say, pre Carter, pre Reagan,
new deal Democrat of the sixties.
Speaker 3 (01:01:25):
And if you you.
Speaker 4 (01:01:26):
Know, as I was there in Boston when he did
his kickoff for his presidential campaign, he's all in on
a lot of those old Great Society programs still as
if Ronald Reagan never happened. So Ma comes from that angle,
kind of from the left. But as I laying out
on today's essay, he's kind of transitioned through a series
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of events. He's been rejected by the left, rejected by
the Democrat Party, and found a home in the.
Speaker 3 (01:01:55):
New center right.
Speaker 4 (01:01:57):
And I'm guilty of having kind of facilitated in some
way him finding that home, Like I was the one
that first got him on Seapack at a big donors
conference in Las Vegas that Matt Schlapp took all kinds
of grief for inviting Bobby to that. I enabled that,
But it turns out to have been prescient, and so
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Bobby has found a new home. But is you know,
you can't rewire somebody completely, and I think the risk
with MAHA is that it will. It can easily veer
into nanny state. And I illustrate this like I did
in my brief talk at Seapack last week. If you
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follow me on this and read between the lines, if
someone wants to eat McDonald's hamburgers and drink Coca Cola's,
it's their right.
Speaker 3 (01:02:54):
To do so.
Speaker 4 (01:02:56):
If somebody wants to smoke cigars, I think they should
be allowed to smoke cigars. We shouldn't have the federal
government telling them whether or not they can smoke cigars
or eat McDonald's hammers. Now, I think it's appropriate that
the federal government would yeah right, yeah, you get the point.
That would never come out of Bobby's mouth. He's way
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more astute.
Speaker 3 (01:03:18):
Than that actors an underlying truth, right, which is there.
Speaker 4 (01:03:26):
Is a risk that MAHA veers towards some kind of
health totalitarianism which we do not need. And if I
have a role in that world in the future, and
it's possible, I might. I don't mean to be coy,
but the truth is I don't know. People say things
and they usually don't come to pass.
Speaker 3 (01:03:50):
So I'm not counting any chickens.
Speaker 4 (01:03:51):
But if I was to have a role, I think
the role I could best play is to constantly remind
people of fundamental libertarian principles and the Constitution, and that
it's not the proper role of fellow government to tell
us how to cook our eggs and whether or not
we can use gas stoves. You get the point. Uh
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And and so I think that MAHA needs to rein
in some of that tendency. And and there's some real
fundamental tensions as you work through that, as there are
with with Mega uh and this tension between America centric
no longer being an imperial state and yet being expansionist
(01:04:34):
when talking about Canada and Greenland and eventually potentially Mexico. Uh.
Speaker 3 (01:04:40):
Right, there's the things that are don't live in the
same world.
Speaker 1 (01:04:44):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (01:04:44):
The Doge initiative, which is all about.
Speaker 4 (01:04:46):
Deregulation and uh financial Uh deregulation particular, Uh doesn't live
in the same space as MAHA, which has some intrinsic
drivers towards more regulation.
Speaker 3 (01:04:59):
You know. Uh.
Speaker 4 (01:05:00):
The operation Warp Speed was all about throwing out the
rule book for regulatory affairs and streamlining things and and
Bobby's world is all about, well, we actually needed that stuff.
And I'm with him on that there was a reason
to have regulatory oversight because Parma is you know, nefariously
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wicked not to not to pick anybody, but you know
you I'm capturing a broad set of general issues with
a short phrase, and so h there are these boundaries, like,
for instance, is it okay that virtually all of our
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grain and soybeans are contaminated with round up right now? Yeah,
because there's good data that round up is associated with
wait for it, obesity and autism, m round up exposure
in utero.
Speaker 3 (01:05:57):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (01:05:58):
So over the last ten years, there's been this practice
developed in which you use roundup as a desiccant to
kill off the stems of the crop whatever it is
that you're going to harvest, so that the seed product,
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whether it's wheat or corn, or barley or soybeans, so
the product dries out uniformly. Why is that important as
opposed to the old days where you're just kind of
waiting for the weather and the sun came out and
you you know, and you didn't get a lot of rain,
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and so the plant would dry out and then the
corn or the wheat or whatever would mature and you
would harvest it. The driver behind that is that the
cost of combines has gone through the roof. They now
use these mega combines, and of course we now have
mega farms, no longer have small farms that are all
owned by Wall Street usual players, Black Crock, State Street.
Speaker 3 (01:07:05):
And Bill Gates. What could go wrong?
Speaker 4 (01:07:08):
And so in that world of mega farms, in mega
expensive combines and harvesters, what's done is you basically have
specialty operations headed up by crews that moved from far
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large farm to large farm with their hyper expensive equipment and.
Speaker 3 (01:07:31):
Do the harvesting.
Speaker 4 (01:07:33):
Well, you can't schedule that unless you can say beforehand, yeah,
our crop will be mature and dry on August twenty eighth,
and you can come through.
Speaker 3 (01:07:43):
How are you going to do that?
Speaker 4 (01:07:44):
Well, you gotta use a dessiccond okay. So that kind
of the finances and everything else and Big Egg and
all that have conspired to put us in this position, which,
by the way, Europe bans glyco state contamination, Canada doesn't.
So we end up with roundup being sprayed on our
food crops kind of at the last minute, and then
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it all gets harvested.
Speaker 3 (01:08:09):
Well where does it end up.
Speaker 4 (01:08:10):
It ends up in your Quaker oats and in your
cereal shows and yeah, cheerios and your pasta and everything
else you know that you have for breakfast, your toast,
and that that's got to stop. So that's a proper role.
It seems for government to say no, no, that's not okay.
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But it's a slippery slope if that's not okay. And
driving around without seat belts isn't okay, and you smoking
cigarettes or of vaping is not okay because you're going
to be a burden on the healthcare system and therefore
you're going to be stealing money from your neighbor through
their tax dollars, et cetera.
Speaker 3 (01:08:54):
Et cetera.
Speaker 4 (01:08:55):
Then then we can quickly justify a nanny state. Maha
uh uh, heavy hand and so I think personally that
Maha and Mega along the lines of populist movements historically
have a real problem in the United States and worldwide
(01:09:18):
in translating their policy there. They're populist angst issues into
sustainable policy. I think we need to have a conversation
about where the boundaries are what you know, you know,
world that's more aligned with libertarian principles and uh anarcho
(01:09:43):
capitalism as hobby A Milia practices it, which is kind
of like now revolutionizing the world. Uh and you know
in Elon and with his chainsaw and everything else.
Speaker 3 (01:09:53):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (01:09:54):
And Donald Trump, I think Donald Trump very much looks
to hobby A Milier as a as a model for
what can be done in turning the government around. But
as you know, as we if we are now to
live in a world or within Mohan Mega to advance
a more libertarian, a small government frame of reference, I
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think we've got some real tough choices to make about
what is the proper role of government in maintaining an
imperial state globally and projecting soft power globally. I think
we've got some hard questions there, and we've got some
real hard questions about where the boundaries are in.
Speaker 3 (01:10:41):
Making Americans healthy.
Speaker 4 (01:10:42):
I think we have to do it through leadership, and
Bobby is the perfect choice to lead the bully pulpit
to advance healthcare. I wrote another essay about this in
which I was talking about methyl and blue, which Bobby uses,
and that people that are using methyline blue and all
kinds of other their stuff are functionally biohackers.
Speaker 3 (01:11:04):
And I love this little tagline.
Speaker 4 (01:11:07):
We have now for the first time a secretary of
HHS who both a bodybuilder and a biohacker. That that
is a whole new world. So many things are possible.
It's a new reality. I don't mean to be all
down in the mouth, but I do think we need
to take the time to think through where the boundaries are.
Speaker 1 (01:11:27):
Mm hm no.
Speaker 2 (01:11:28):
I agree, And it's a very good point because while
we want to see all of these things come to pass,
and we desperately really need folks to be healthy to
sustain what we're doing here in this country and where
we want to go, how we get there is equally
is important.
Speaker 4 (01:11:48):
Whether or not it's sustainable, we don't. So all these
executive orders are great. It's amazing time to be living.
Donald Trump is probably one of the most transformational sidens
in history, certainly at least since Teddy Roosevelt. But it
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could all be reversed if there's a backlash at the
midtime or in the next presidential election.
Speaker 2 (01:12:18):
Fascinating conversation. I just love it, and thank you for
giving us the time today.
Speaker 1 (01:12:22):
Doctor.
Speaker 2 (01:12:23):
I know you've got lots of things you've got to
get done as well, and we'll have you back and
we'll continue these conversations if you're still able to come back,
or if you who knows.
Speaker 5 (01:12:31):
What roll that's mixed, that would be a mixed blessingting
My freedom to speak, whether it's on substack or in podcasts,
is important.
Speaker 2 (01:12:44):
We've seen a lot of a lot of that lately,
as folks are giving up big businesses, salaries and even
that to to go and serve, and we just we're
glad to see that's that's happening. But if people want
to in the meantime, sub Stack great place you mentioned
a couple of times today, and the book that's out
as well, where can folks find them and make sure
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that they stay in touch.
Speaker 4 (01:13:07):
So the politically correct way I'm supposed to say about
the book is it's available at all booksellers, and you know,
and of course the subtext is there are almost no
booksellers left except for Amazon, so there's that and the
only place that you can get the audio book, which
many people like. And by the way, it's a little
(01:13:29):
more accurate because when I personally recorded the audiobook, I
caught the typos that we're in the text that are
in the in the printed version, and so the audiobook
is actually a little more precise and correct, and it's
easier to assimilate. You can just flip it on when
you're doing chores with your earbuds or commuting or whatever
your particular thing is, while you're.
Speaker 3 (01:13:49):
Fishing or whatever it is. So that's I work, and.
Speaker 4 (01:13:56):
It is at a discount I think, still in Amazon,
but it's less of a discous that it used to be.
Speaker 3 (01:14:03):
Substack.
Speaker 4 (01:14:04):
We now have renamed it Malone dot News, as opposed
to who is Robert Malone, which was a reference to
who is John Gold if any of you are in
rand fans, And so because I kind of live in
Galt Sculpture in this Red County, in this part of Virginia,
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so you could go who is Robert Malone on substack
or you could go Malone dot news and you'll pull
them up. Subscriptions are free, but if you want to
participate in the chat, you got to pay five bucks
a month. Sorry about that, but I do have to
make a living and we put these out daily, and frankly,
the ones that probably pay for horse feed and everything
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else in my life are the Friday Funnies and the
Sunday strip that are aggregates and memes that everybody loves.
Speaker 1 (01:15:00):
I love it. Well, keep up the great work.
Speaker 2 (01:15:01):
We appreciate you taking the time and good luck in
the future no matter.
Speaker 1 (01:15:05):
What it brings.
Speaker 3 (01:15:06):
Thanks thanks for having me on.
Speaker 1 (01:15:08):
You got it my pleasure, doctor, Doctor Robert Malone.
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me and doctor Robert Malone. The or the mRNA Jabanese
(02:33):
sense obviously spoken at links about it in how he
thinks things have gone too far. But you know doctor
Robert Malone, he's been a warrior out there the last
several years.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Got a brand new book that I think you need
to check out.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
He's going to talk about the book and a lot
of questions about the new bat coronavirus it's been discovered
and talked about. Oh yes, measles, the bird flew and
all the other outrage that they're trying to the fear
they're trying to pump into our veins on a daily basis.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
So get ready.
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Is it something we need to be concerned about or
is there more to it? He'll pull the curtain back
on all of it in today's show. So get ready,
here we go. Thanks for being here with us today.
God bless doctor Robert Malone. I welcome in. I gotta
(03:28):
say I just freshly watched a clip of Joe Rogan
and Woody Harrelson, which I'm sure you see.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
By not just talking about you and there this guy
got it right about everything, you know, and they just
went on.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
I'm sure you got to love But at the same time,
it's one of the scenarios when you are right about
things you just don't want to be right about.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
Well, that's fair enough. It was.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
You know, what we're talking about is the COVID crisis
and the government lies and government and pharma and hospitals
and you know, just goes on and on in the
corruption of the medical system. And you know, my personal beef,
of course, was that through their manipulations and lives, they
(04:18):
were destroying the kind of the foundations of the career
that I built as a specialist in clinical research and
regulatory affairs and bioethics and just blowing through that in
a way that they just kind of didn't even think
about the consequences or care. They were just obsessively focused
on getting a needle in every arm for whatever reason.
(04:40):
That's a that's a whole separate thread of why this obsession,
but it was there, there's no question about it, and I.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Agree it was.
Speaker 4 (04:53):
One of the hardest things for me in my journey
over the last four years is somebody, you know, this
labeled as a misinformation spreading anti vaxxer.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
You can look at my wikipiety page.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
And all kinds of other ugly things, even uglier on
social media. I've been attacked by both sides as a
mass murder because I invented this technology when I was
twenty eight, and because I was speaking out against it
in the present and that was causing vaccine hesitancy, and
of course the assumption there being that coronavirus is highly
(05:28):
lethal and the vaccines were safe and effective. All lies.
But it certainly has been a quoting grateful dead. It
has been a long, strange trip, and you know, you
(05:50):
can't look back and say, oh, I wish it was otherwise,
you become who you are because you've been tried and tested.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
For both my wife.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
And I, we've grown quite a bit, and you know,
of course now we have international reputations or we're internationally infamous,
depending on which side of fence you're on. But at
least here in my local community, there's a lot of
folks that support me here in Red County in Virginia,
(06:23):
So there's that.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Well, listen, I know it's got to be tough, but
you know, when you do the right thing a lot
of times. It's not easy. But I am grateful for
people like you and for you know, a handful of
others that during the time. I just remember, a massive
shift happened for us in the program that I do
(06:46):
here during that time because so many people wanted the truth,
They wanted answers, they even wanted good news, something as
simple as good news about hospitalization numbers, or it could
have been anything, and they weren't getting it. It was
always is a constant drum beat of just bad news
and fear, and.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
Yeah, fear promoted fear.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
I call it psychological bioterrorism. Yes, it follows.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
You know. One of the things that I've had a
series of these epiphanies over the last four years that
kind of rocked my world. You know.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
One of them was grappling with whether or not we
are the good guys versus the narrative of American exceptionalism
and certainly the USA. I d disclosures from DOGE uh
make it a lot harder to make the case that
we're the good guys.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
Choosing my words there.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
But one of them was in the in the process
of writing this books I work, I had posted what
we do with our books is we serialize them on
substack because we make a lot more money on substack
than you ever do in a book, and there's no
way that we could sustain ourselves on a book advance
(07:59):
these days, but substack pays for the hay in our mortgage.
And as I was writing essays on substack, one of
our readers.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
We have a very active reader community.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
They like to read more than they want to watch videos,
so they're generally not young people, and one of them
posted that I should look at this interview from twenty
seventeen that was published in a New Zealand journal with
a former Russian KGB officer who had retired as a
(08:42):
Russian kg intelligence officer who had been one of the
lead specialists in Russia on bio warfare, and he laid
out in this interview what he described as standard spycraft
involving the exploitation of fear around infectious disease as a
(09:04):
tool for disrupting economies and a number of other issues.
That's in chapter four of the book, in the chapter
title of psychological Bioterrorism. I recently republished that article that
chapter on substack.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
If anybody wants to go find it.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
But if you step through the process and steps and
roles and responsibilities and different communities that get involved in
promotion of this fear of infectious disease, what you find
is that in this interview from twenty seventeen, so long
before the COVID crisis, what's laid out are a series
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of steps that precisely mirror the propaganda and strategy that
is apparently deployed during COVID, and by the way, also
precisely mirror the current bird flu fear and the fear
of monkey pocks, et cetera, et cetera. This is all
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intentionally weaponized. That's not a conspiracy theory. And you can
follow the steps of how the narrative gets you know,
it's a false narrative.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
It gets injected into.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
Media, typically lower level media, and then it gets built
basically using something akin to Nancy Pelosi's wrap up smear strategy.
It gets built into larger and larger media. It gets
amplified by academics that are cited that are you know,
friendly to whatever the narrative is because they have.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
That's what she called it merchandise. Nancy called it merchandised.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
That's that's a good way to put it. So, so
that's what we've been subjected to. You know, we're still Uh,
all we can do is is kind of sense the
shape in the general outline of who the but masters
are that are behind all this. And there's been a
(11:03):
lot of speculation. You know, people used to think it
was Tony Fauci, then they thought it was Klaus Schwab,
then they thought it was the Builderbergs and the Atlantic Council.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
And you know, we can go on and on and on.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
But absolutely the global promotion of these narratives involved U, S, A, I,
D and CIA.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Is can fear make you sick? I hear you talking
about this?
Speaker 3 (11:29):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (11:30):
And with suicide, it's associated with depression, it's it's associated
with excess all cause mortality. Uh, there's all kinds of
things that are derivatives of fear. It is absolutely, you know,
anathema to making America healthy again. This promoted fear narrative.
But still those engineers or agents that do this. Here's
(11:58):
my fear, frankly, justin is that the pharmaceutical industry has
assimilated this process of weaponization and fear of infectious disease
as part of their marketing and propaganda promotion campaigns. So
it's not just government, it's also Pharma that's a stakeholder,
(12:18):
and Pharma acts through it, and of course Bill Gates.
It acts through a number of nefarious mechanisms, such as
the Foundation for CDC, which they've created a slush fund.
It's congressionally approved that Gates and Pharma donate to and
then can get CDC to do their bidding, and then
CDC uses this slush fund to fund public good projects.
(12:42):
Public good projects funds, shots Heard around the World, Shots
Heard around the world funds these cyber stocking and gang
stocking operations against physicians and others that are saying things
that whoever it is that's the puppet master doesn't want
to be said, et cetera, et cetera. We have the
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Global Alliance for Responsible Media, we have the Trusted News Initiative,
we have all these large kind of transnational organizations now
that are engaging in this. As Shallenberger and tay you,
we call it censorship industrial complex, but it's so much
more than just censorship.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
I want to ask about those those programs that you
just mentioned, and maybe what's happening with Doge and the
efforts within the Make America Healthy Again movement and how
things might change policy.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
Wise and whatnot here in a moment.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
But first let me go because you've got you just
said fear and so on the last few days we've
had massive and we've been talking about these stories. And
I just I'm not a you know, I'm not an expert,
but I'm just I can tell you that I've seen
enough media. I've seen enough stories that I see like
there's a there's something picking up here there there. It
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feels like throwing things against the wall to see if
they can get something to stick.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Right now. I just say that that's my personal opinion.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
When I look at the the from a media perspective.
But here are some of these some of the headlines.
Let's talk about these stories here quickly. New coronavirus with
potential to cause pandemic discovered in China. This is a
this I think this was the bat lady, the Wuhan
bat lady. So she found the new new coronavirus. Is
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this just a fear uh something that's that's kind of
drummed up with a fear tactic, or is this something
that that is concerning so.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
You have to look in the preceding narrative was a
human meta numa virus that was coming out of China.
You'll recall that that was a promoted narrative, bear narrative
that got a lot of parents worked up, because human
meta numavirus has been in the population for decades and
it has a very similar pathology and disease profile to
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respiratory some social virus. A lot of stuff that's true
to RSV is actually human num of ours. So that
that's an example here. In reviewing these things, you will
see these promoted narratives that use a very alarming inflammatory language,
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and yet you have to have the presence of mind
to dissect that. So here the key phrase in the
lead headline with potential to cause pandemic. So likewise, bird
flu is promoted as this great fear thing in the
current narrative. But the truth is that even the CDC
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says that it's a low risk for humans, there's no
evidence of human to human transmission efficiently sustained, and it's
not putting a lot of people in the hospital or
in graves. So it's you know, and originally it was
promoted as fifty percent lethal bird flu was and you've
had Robbert Redfield reciting that statistic from the WHO, which
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is basically a sampling artifact.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
It has to do with, you.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
Know, stuff that gets reported to the WHO is the
most severe cases. So when you see headlines like this,
if you're somebody who is alert to these promoted narratives,
you have to take the time, and most people won't.
These are designed to create an impression in your mind,
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particularly when they're repeated. But if you do take the time,
and this is a big part of what we do
on Substack is we find things like this and then
we tear them apart. If you walk through this, you'll
find that the information doesn't really support the headline. But
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people don't have the time and they don't have the background.
They're not molecular virologist, immunologists, vaccinologists, and they can't really
process any more than the fear narrative that's promoted in So,
for instance, if you're talking about bird flu, it's called
repeatedly in the press hypathogenic avian influenza, and so the
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question comes, well, how lethal is it in chickens?
Speaker 3 (17:15):
For example?
Speaker 4 (17:17):
The answer is one hundred percent lethal because if your
flock gets infected, the us DA comes and kills them all. Yeah,
so it's one hundred percent lethal because of human intervention.
But if you didn't do that, what for action, the
chickens would die unknown because they haven't actually done the studies.
So you know, another example of a false promoted narrative.
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And when you see these things pop up, and they'll
often come in I don't know what this the source
is here, but it looks like.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
Male I think, or yeah, daily mail.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
Daily mail?
Speaker 4 (17:53):
Okay, So is daily Mail major media that's credibly sourced
or is it a propagand outlet and in many ways
a propaganda outlet. So are many of the British publications
that come out with these spectacular headlines.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
To your pointbloids, Not to interrupt you, but to your point,
that was that was I think yesterday or the day before.
And then the follow up, the follow up to that
is now they've taken it and they've expanded. Here's a
Vanderbilt professor who says he's terrified about this thing.
Speaker 4 (18:29):
Yeah, so that that entirely tracks with what I'm calling
psychological bioterrorism. You'll have this uh storyline injected into a
lower level media. And then you'll have an academic who
has some financial stake in this and and they basically
the entire infectious disease community prouly, the academic research community,
uh makes hey while the sun shines with these outbreaks,
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because what the ecosystem is that you stir up this
fear in the public. Public puts pressure on the politicians.
Politicians put pressure on the nih IH and BARTA initiate
these large programs like the half billion dollars to return
it to develop a new bird flu vaccine that was
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pushed through at the last minute of the Biden administration.
So that this is a way to turn on the
tap if you're an academic that's in this space, and
you have to be aware of that these people are
not unbiased.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
It really is.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
And you know, it's very interesting because now along with
what Dog's done and the I'm sort of unvailing what's
happening at the USAID and these media companies that were
on the take they were getting money, we're starting to
see where that funding was going. Every bit of what
you just said, you can start to actually see the
dots connect. It's becoming I think all the things that
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we had a gut feeling, a new somehow we're going on.
We're really starting to see that the real evidence of
it now.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
Thank you Elon and Doge.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
The Doge initiative is fascinating and it is potentially scalable
across the world by the way, either directly overtly through
partnerships with other nation states that may wish to kind
of disambiguate what's going on inside by their own deep
state organizations, and also by let's say, gently intelligence communities
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that have toolkits, that have can openers metaphorically speaking, that
can gain access to databases in hostile or frenemy organizations, governments,
and basically take this kind of bought automated.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
Bought approach to.
Speaker 4 (20:55):
Grabbing and cataloging data and structuring relationships. The capabilities here
are profound and powerful, and if you allow me just
to illustrate it with an example that's not a direct analogy,
but very much eliminating. Blackrock became the monster that it
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currently is, the global financial powerhouse consequent to its authorization
under the Obama administration to distribute the TARP funds. How
is that anything like Dog? So what Blackrock did is
they said, well, if you're going to receive this money
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from us, we have to be able to provide accounting
and tracking for how you spend the funds. So therefore,
you have to let us into your books. You have
to let us use our algorithmic tools to search through
all of your transactional records and your financial records and
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those of secondary recipients of the money. And as a consequence,
Blackrock built the largest global financial transaction database in the world.
And having this in hand, now they were able to
do algorithmic projections of future economic activity and use that
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to guide their own investment decisions, just like Trump is
going to use the knowledge of the audit of Pentagon
and Treasury and let's hope the Federal Reserve and everything
else to discern what is really happening in those organizations
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and then set policy and make proactive actions based on
that intelligence. Because that's what it is, financial intelligence, granular
financial intelligence. And it won't be very long until we're
grabbing and utilizing that information from friend and foe to
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make predictions about what they're doing and what they're going
to do in the future. This is akin to what
Google and Amazon and everybody else does in Silicon Valley
to all of us by grabbing all the data they
can about us, audio and written, and then building behavioral
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profiles or avatars of us based on all that information,
and then building what are essentially predictive algorithms behavioral futures
that they then sell for a variety of purposes, intelligence
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and commercial to whoever wants to buy them, so that
people can people third parties can predict whether or not
you're ready to buy a car, or what your political
party affiliation is, or you know, a period of other things.
This is all going to be made possible, in part
by the kind of approach that Dog is taking to
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the US government, and we can only hope that it's
that all that information is used for our benefit as
taxpayers and it won't be in some way weaponized against
us in the future.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
It really is interesting as you start to plug in
the AI connection on some of these things, and we
saw a story. I work with it, probably not to
the extent that most people do, but if you know
the little bit that I've noticed and how advanced it's
gotten this in the last few months, and how quick
it's moving, and you know, I use it with little
(24:45):
things to make my job quicker, easier, make me better
at certainly could be a good.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
It could be a good investigative tool. It's it's a
better search engine than Google is basically AIS, except for
the fact that the training of these AIS as bias.
So you can get access to information that you might
not otherwise readily access, say through Google or Brave, but
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it comes it's spun just the same as Google and Brave.
The other day, Jill, my partner and wife you know
for forty six years, was researching an essay that she
was preparing for a substack, and she wanted to talk about,
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you know, the same topic of propaganda and information manipulation,
and she chose to use the example of how Joe Rogan,
which is a hot topic now because of that clip
that you referred to earlier, how Joe Rogan had been
(25:53):
impacted by third parties to try to dissuade Spotify from
continuing to keep Joe Rogan on their platform, and there
was a concerted effort to basically deep platform Joe Rogan
off of Spotify, one of their major intellectual properties, and
a lot of people were aware because it's what the
(26:14):
press come covered about. Neil Young and Joni Mitchell UH
and and the kind of the Laurel Canyon hip crowd
of the sixties UH protesting this uh in in threatening
to withdraw their catalogs off of Spotify, which you know,
the young people were basically.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
Like, you know, who's who's uh, who's Neil Young? And
why should I care?
Speaker 4 (26:40):
But the truth is as revealed by I think it
was said at Judiciary House Judiciary that what transpired was
that Coca Cola Corporation used acted through GARM to get
GARM to threaten the Global Alliance Responsible Media, which was
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set up by the World Economic Forum, to threaten Spotify
that if Spotify didn't do something about this notorious podcast
and this notorious podcaster, then Spotify would lose all of
their advertising revenue because GARM has a socket with, among
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other things, AD Sense, which is what provides this kind
of global monopoly on advertising. This has to be broken up.
This is part of the antitrust actions that are ongoing
against Google right now. But that's the ecosystem. And so
Jill decided to search the various AIS Perplexity is where
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she started to see if they would recognize that there
was this history of Coca Cola acting on Rogan consequent
to my.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
Interview, and none of them would acknowledge it.
Speaker 4 (28:06):
So then she would point out the judiciary report and
she would get the usual oh, I'm so sorry, I
overlooked that that the bots the AI send back to you.
And then she continued to persist and the AIS that
she was interacting with would acknowledge that Coca Cola had
(28:28):
some role in with garm should try to suppress Rogan
on Spotify, but they would never use my name. I've
apparently been blacklisted, as have others on a number of
these AIS. My name can't be used. I am he
who shall not be named in some of these and
that is the case with multiple of these algorithms and
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other individuals that have been controversial from time to time.
That's what's happening right now as we turn to using
AI for these searches. What we're not aware of is
there are large blocks of information that are basically prohibited
from you knowing it. So they have basically algorithmically integrated
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the Overton window. Things that Overton window of acceptable discourse
prohibits are engineered into the AI, so you can't even
get any answers for things that are outside of the
Overton window.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
It's fascinating.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
I've found and I mostly used chat GPT, I've used rock,
but when it tells me it can't do something, I
was just say why is that? And then nine times
out of ten I'll say, oh, sorry, I figured out
how to do it. So I don't know that it's lazy.
I don't want to say that, but I think that
there's some sort of conflict with rules happening.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
Yes, kind of what.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
You've described what you're doing.
Speaker 4 (29:55):
Then as you're smoking out those algorithmic fences that exist
within the these ais mm hmm.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
It's it's fascinating because again we had a story today.
This is from the BBC AI cracks superbug problem in
two days. It took scientists years. They say, so I
not dig too far into this, but what is the
future when it comes to AI in any technology. I
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kind of look at it and say, okay, we've got
good and bad. So there's there's it's like firearms or
you know fire Edison used to say electricity could cook
your meal or cook cook the man and cite like
the way that you use this in the hands that
it's in, I guess is going to determine it. And
as you mentioned, programming on this stuff too. But future
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of AI and medicine do we have maybe some of
the good, the bad, and the ugly.
Speaker 4 (30:51):
So a great case study to illuminate this topic is
the press announcement that came out of the White House
on the day after the inauguration, in.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
Which we had Larry Ellison and his band of.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
You know people that Elon Musk hates because they have
taken Elon's money to build an AI that would be
open source, and then they've taken it private. And so
Larry pitched and it is a pitch. I mean, it's
an overt sales pitch that was made to a susceptible
(31:31):
and somewhat naive recipient that you could think of as
the ultimate federal acquisition officer, Donald Trump. And so Larry
and company pitched Donald Trump a solution to something that
is a pain point for Donald Trump. Now this is classical,
(31:51):
you know, as somebody trained in business development in a
Beltway bandit called task.
Speaker 3 (31:57):
It's now been bought.
Speaker 4 (31:59):
But this is what one is trained to do, is
you find the pain point for the government customer and
then you offer a solution that will resolve that pain
that will address that pain point, whatever it is. And
Donald Trump's among many Donald Trump's pain points is the
rise in the threat of communist China superiority in artificial intelligence.
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So it's a hot topic and it directly relates to
the issue of making America great again on shoring manufacturing
and other capabilities and enabling American innovation. The thesis is
that without advanced artificial intelligence, we're not going to be
able to adapt and innovate to the new world reality
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commercial reality. So that's the promoted narrative that you must
have advanced AI. And when we say advanced AI, to
unpack that, the subtext there is a general autonomous artificial intelligence.
Right now, we have limited general AI, and so where
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the current as you've noted, the current AIS are kind
of bot like and they don't represent true intelligence. They
represent the product of machine learning, where you've trained a
algorithmic on an algorithm on a data set, and then
once it's trained, then you let it loose on a
larger data set, trained and validated. So that's machine learning,
(33:34):
and most of what we call AI is really machine
learning algorithms. On the horizon is the general autonomous AI
that will be a supermined that will exceed human IQs
by ten hundred thousand fold.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
And in that.
Speaker 4 (33:58):
World that is part of the whole transhuman agenda. It's
anticipated that this general autonomous a I will take over
management of the world and management of a whole lot
of things, because it will be able to do so
with less bias, greater efficiency, no corruption, all kinds of
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things that are we're told will come with allowing the
machines to make our you know, decide how.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
To manage our world.
Speaker 4 (34:30):
So Larry is a transhumanist, and by the way, so
is Donald Trump. And this is a kind of a
new religion in Silicon Valley and among the hyperwealthy that
I find remarkably similar to another trend that existed when
I was a young man and and you know teen,
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which was the cryogenic preservation of heads.
Speaker 3 (34:56):
And the rich.
Speaker 4 (34:57):
People were all having those those that were out on
the edge, like Walt Disney, when they were dying, they
were having their heads cryogenetically preserved so that they could
at some point in the future be reawoken and attached
to a new head or whatever the idea was, a
machine or whatever.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
There's a that the movie Forever Frozen. There's a thought
out there that the movie Frozen was given its title,
and I don't know if it's true or not. That
so when people googled Disney frozen his head frozen, they
wouldn't get the story about his head being frozen.
Speaker 4 (35:32):
I won't put anything past Disney. Disney is increasingly evil
and woke, so you know they'll they'll do anything. But
so that's that's the world we're talking about. Is the
logic that as we move towards this machine hyperbrain, it
(35:54):
is uh. You know, the movie The Matrix or series
of The Matrix is reckad depression about that individuals will
be able to upload their avatars, this kind of vector
sum of all that is known about them and all
that they've said and felt in their voice and everything else,
uploaded onto this new super computer reality, and they'll live forever.
(36:23):
And by the way, that will enable space exploration and
colonization of Mars, because you'll no longer have to have
physical humans with all of their unsustainable environmental requirements. You
can just upload your consciousness, thank you Elon, into the
machine that gets uploaded into the spacecraft, and off you
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go to explore the world.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
Of Star Trek.
Speaker 4 (36:50):
And so that's where Larry Ellison at about eighty years old,
and I make the case in examining this pitch, it
was made that basically much of the impetus for this
transhuman world is coming from elderly tech bros that are
(37:14):
now facing their mortality. And you know, or you could
say elderly godless tech bros if you wanted, but you
get the point. And so he makes this pitch to
Donald Trump about AI and we need to have this
new stargate interesting term that will provide this amazing new
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AI capability. Well, what he's not saying is that the
whole thing is really designed to enable general autonomous AI.
Speaker 3 (37:46):
And by the way, it will consume.
Speaker 4 (37:48):
Power again flashback to the matrix. It will consume power
at the level of all the natural gas utilization energy
utilization in the state of Exis on an annual basis. Okay,
so massive power requirements to create this huge thing. And
(38:09):
so Larry apparently finds it necessary to come up with
some sort of a pitch strategy to get the dogs
to eat the dog food, to get people, the general
population to say, oh, yeah, absolutely, we need to have
a half trillion dollar program to enable general autonomous AI
because fill in the blank, what is what's you know,
(38:32):
what is this going to do for you? Is the
question that has to be answered. And so Larry, I think,
without the authorization of Susie Wiles, interjects this narrative that
what they're going to use it for, among other things,
is customize personal cancer vaccines that can be made within
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forty eight hours robotically by Mr and a technology. Okay,
in that sentence, he's packed together four or five hot
buttons of the Trump administry. Mister Trump, you know, Joe
Biden has failed in his moonshot twice to cure cancer
despite all the money that's been spent. You know, there's
(39:13):
we heard all about moonshot twice when he was VP
and then he was president, and yet there has been
no press about the amazing successes we've had on the
cancer front. Matter of fact, the big successes in the
cancer front have been things.
Speaker 3 (39:28):
Like ivermectin and n bendazol.
Speaker 4 (39:32):
And other alternative treatments that don't involve blasting your immune
system to shreds. So so then Larry pitches that we're
going to have this amazing capability. So then me and
like every other person that has any experience in cancer
vaccines looks at this and goes BS. But that that
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whole thesis that Larry pitched to the President and pitched
to all of us has been out there literally my
entire career. Okay, the idea of customized personal cancer vaccines
changes each time there's a new delivery system. And of
course now it's RNA in catonic lipids. But you know,
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before it goes all the way back, I had a
mentor who was the guy that founded the USC Cancer Center.
His name was Murray Gardner, and back in the sixties,
he had ties to the National Cancer Institute or whatever
it was back then, and he'd been shipped out to
the West Coast to kind of be the tip of
the spear from the East coast National Cancer institutent institutions,
(40:38):
and he because he landed in LA he's a pathologist
working in cancer. He used to, he told the story,
he used to have these young male stars and starlet's
I guess whatever you call the male version of a
starlet come for assistance. Because now this is getting a
(41:00):
little touchy for the general audience. Because they had anal
Warts innal Warts are infectious, and you don't have to
spend too much time with your imagination to figure out
what kind of cohort we're talking about here. Let's say
the same one with monkey pocks, and we'll just leave
it at that. And these folks, you know, this is
enormously painful and irritating and it will interfere with your
(41:25):
movie career. So the studios are behind fix this. And
what Marie would do is he'd arranged with the surgeon
and they would cut out these lesions and they would
grind them up with standard adjuvants, which is to say,
preparations of fats and things that trigger inflammation, and reinject
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them back into these young men and the lesion would
disappear for some period of time.
Speaker 3 (41:51):
Usually we come back.
Speaker 4 (41:53):
But that was what was done then for personalized cancer vaccines,
and so what we've had is an evolution of a
series of things that are you know, increasingly refined technologically.
There was a period of time when there was all
kinds of excitement because there were veterinarians that were asserting
that they had come up with melanoma vaccines, and melanoma
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is kind of different in the dog and the horse
than it is in the humans. It's more easily treated,
it doesn't kill you in the same way. But you know,
there's all kinds of excitement about this. In a phase
one trial that looked really encouraging, we were going to
have customized melanoma vaccines. And then you got into phase
two where they just a little more rigorous and the
population size is larger and the.
Speaker 3 (42:35):
Air window of the balloon.
Speaker 4 (42:37):
And this has been the story of the whole cancer
vaccine field. There have been little fits and starts that
have been encouraging, but for the most part, and there
has been some advances in cancer immunology. But you know,
using artificial intelligence when the truth is that each of
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us have very unique immune systems. We have a lot
of diversity in what's called our major histic compatibility complex molecules.
It's the reason why infectious disease doesn't wipe out human
beings is because human beings are fairly diverse immunologically, and
that's a good thing. Just to further illustrate that, the
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extent that we all have Neanderthal DNA in our genomes,
a lot of that Neanderthal gna DNA comes from the
European Neanderthals that had evolved to resist a lot of
European infectious diseases, and they had certain genetic profiles in
their MHC molecules, their major histic compatibility complex molecules that
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made them more resistant to those just like I'm talking
about we should build chickens that are more resistant to
bird flu. And that legacy genetic legacy was so powerful
that we ended up with, say, the conquisodors. Just to
illustrate one of example, the European conquerors coming into North
in Latin America and decimating the indigenous populations because they
(44:10):
didn't have those immune system legacy molecules, and so the
Europeans would bring their European diseases and there was no
genetic resistance, and we just wiped out huge amounts of
Native Americans as a consequence. You know, it was this
intentional bio warfare back in the day. Sometimes it was
(44:31):
with things like infects, smallpox, infected blankets, but in other
cases it just kind of happened, and it illustrates the point.
So humans are really diverse genetically immunologically, and the idea
that AI is going to come in there and solve
what you know, genomics and all the other whiz bang
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techs have failed to do. Is just grossly naive and
it's an over cell and it was pitched to a
naive recipient who clearly is susceptible to this kind of
messaging around infectious disease. Case study being Operation Warp Speed
and the JEB. But it kind of illustrates this. You know,
(45:14):
once again we're back in the world of propaganda in marketing.
And did Larry Ellison really come up with this because
he is passionately focused on developing customized vaccines. Hell no,
if he was, he would have done the diligence and
talk to people in the field. They would have told
him that what he's pitching is so yesterday's news as
(45:38):
to be laughable. No, what he's really doing is trying
to justify a half billion, half trillion dollar investment in
a massive artificial intelligence infrastructure to get him too general
AI so that he can live forever.
Speaker 3 (45:55):
That's basically what's going on.
Speaker 2 (45:57):
Wow, you know, look at some of these things and
there's nothing new under the sun. Is kind of my
thought process, I.
Speaker 3 (46:05):
Mean, including drifting. Now, there are things that AI could
be useful for.
Speaker 4 (46:11):
In health so what AI is really good with is
crunching big data.
Speaker 3 (46:17):
And so just like.
Speaker 4 (46:19):
Doge is going through and crunching big data on financial transactions,
AI algorithms could be set loose on the various databases
like the one of our best in North in the
United States, one of our best health databases is the
one that's associated with the Military Services Health System, which
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by the way, isn't just soldiers, it's their wives as
their children and extends back up, you know, for the
older ones into the VA. So that database because it's
not controlled by HIPPA in the same way, and they
have all of these granular records that are all kept
(47:02):
kind of in the same structure because it's all DoD
is more akin to the databases that exist for the
socialized medicine countries like Scandinavian UK. And so if you
were to set an AI tool loose on, for example,
the military database, you would find out all kinds of
(47:25):
associations between behaviors, practices, environmental diet, et cetera. And frankly,
you would discover things that you didn't want to know,
like the CDC did when under congressional direction they came
up with a better version of the bears years ago,
(47:46):
and suddenly when they beta tested it said, oh darn,
look at all these vaccine associated adverse events that we
didn't suspect were out there. Well, that's contrary to our
messaging about vaccines.
Speaker 3 (48:01):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (48:02):
And so what they do shot the messenger. They killed
the program and never implemented it, even though they were
congressionally mandated to and we were left with bears. But
that was by design and intention. That was not just
a random artifact.
Speaker 2 (48:19):
You know, the the questions we're getting about some of
these things. You know, I'll give you just a couple
and we'll make this quick here for you, but you know,
it is along the cancer treatment questions. It is questions
about ivermectin and some of the things that you just
mentioned are the truth and maybe the real answer for
(48:42):
these these problems have been riding under our nose the
whole time.
Speaker 1 (48:45):
Is that?
Speaker 2 (48:46):
Is that what you're saying when you talk about some
of these questions about the you know, the these moonshot
ideas versus some things that are already working that we
see people have evidence on.
Speaker 4 (48:58):
So I'm sorry I was distracted during part of that
by reading something in the chat from one of your
commentators who is referring to doctor Artists asserting that I
didn't do what I did in all these patents behind me,
and in fact Curico and Weissman were the two.
Speaker 3 (49:17):
No, Kurico and Weisman did not get the.
Speaker 4 (49:19):
Nobel Prize for inventing mRNA delivery and mRNA vaccines. There's
no statement in their initial patents that have anything to
do with vaccines. They got the Nobel Prize explicitly for
their role in developing the COVID vaccine, nothing to do
with the base technology. And I'm sorry to burst your bubble,
(49:41):
but Brian Artists is a chiropractor with no training in
this field. He shoots his mouth off. His big criticism
of me early on was I wasn't sufficiently Christian enough
and we've gone forth from that. So the snake venom story,
et cetera. Brian Artists is, in my opinion, somebody who
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is seeking attention and not a serious contributor to kind
of discerning truth in this space. But can you restate
your question?
Speaker 2 (50:13):
Yeah, the question is about cancer treatment, specifically an Ivermagdin
or some of the things that have come out.
Speaker 4 (50:23):
You America's covered in his new book that was censored
by Amazon and then put back up in which he's
he's become Merrick, who is arguably the most published intensive
care academic in the world in history, okay, and came
(50:45):
up with this protocol that involves intravenous vitamin C intravascular
vitamin C for a treatment of doctor toxic shock that
can basically rescue people from death's door in when it's
used properly does And who was a supporter of hydracted
chloroquine I remact in an early treatment during COVID uh
(51:07):
And of course he got defamed and deplatformed and censored
and blah blah blah, the same as me. So he
has become so disillusioned with academic medicine and peer review
quote unquote literature that he's concluded that he can't his
whole For him, it was truly kind of an existential crisis.
He realized that all of this information that he had
(51:29):
built based his whole career on was biased and fraudulent,
and so he set about on a major undertaking largely
because he was so pissed off, uh in disillusioned in
looking at alternative medicine what we now call integrative medicine.
Chinese medicine. Uh and and uh you know, a botanical
(51:53):
pharmacopeia and put together this volume focused on that, particularly
in the context of cancer, and he has become, together
with others, one of the proponents of the broad spectrum
activity of ibermactin, particularly together with ben bendissol, for a
variety of cancers, particularly glandular cancer's, breasts, prostate and others,
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not so much the lymphatic cancers like chronic myologist leukemia.
So for anybody that really wants to dive into this world,
I recommend that you look up Paul Merrick's book and
consider buying it, and don't treat it as the gospel truth.
Absolutely find a if you're if you're somebody who's questioning
(52:41):
oncology current practice that is basically involves blasting your body
with highly toxic substances which also kill off your immune system,
which is what you need in or to overcome your cancer. Uh,
you know, think about looking at this and then finding
an integrated medicine specialists, somebody experienced oncology, but with alternative strategies.
(53:05):
If you don't want to go down the currently accepted
ecology protocol pathway.
Speaker 2 (53:13):
So a couple other quick questions, and one I think
would be about the policy you talked about, make America
healthy again, make America great again. And these are great
ideas as slogans and whatnot, but when it comes to
policies and what we might see play out, particularly as
RFK takes the reins here and maybe some of the
(53:36):
things that people are hoping to see come to pass.
Speaker 4 (53:41):
So I after Bobby managed to squeak by the hearings,
and I think he gave up too much because he
ended up fifty two forty eight. He could have tolerated
fifty one or even fifty to fifty and Vice President
breaking the tie. But he committed to various senators, including
the senator from Louisa Sienna who's an MD, that there
(54:03):
were certain things that he wouldn't do in questioning the
Advisory Committee on Ammunization Practices, that the CDC was one
of them. He kind of got hogtied a little bit
on the whole vaccine story. And remember that Donald Trump
is still absolutely deeply embedded in the belief system that
(54:29):
his Operation warp Speed and his mRNA vaccine saved millions
of lives. And so many people have told Donald Trump
that this is true, and it's something that he wants
to believe that the voices that are saying not so
much just get no traction with Donald Trump. Now, this
(54:51):
may be changing, so I hear from the inside, but
that's the current status. So Bobby lands in a situation
that in many ways is kind of hostile territory all
up and down the food chain. And he's amazingly charismatic,
very persuasive, experienced in the nefarious ways of pharma and
(55:13):
pharma backstabbing, but he is not experienced in the nefarious
ways of the deep state and the bureaucracy so much.
And while he was distracted with getting through confirmation, the
deep state managed to slip in some real not so
aligned people like Jerry Parker, dBm, PhD, Associate Dean for
(55:39):
One Health, which is basically a World Health or I mean,
a United Nations program kind of akin to the Green Agenda,
et cetera, who is now, ostensibly, according to CBS News,
the White House Director for Pandemic Preparedness and Policy. And
I can tell you from personal communication that Bobby not
(56:02):
only didn't know who Jerry Parker was after he was confirmed,
he didn't even know there was a White House Office
of Pandemic Planning and Policy, which is outside of AHHS.
So Bobby has got an issue with all kinds of
you know, surreptitious nefarious activity from the deep state and
bureaucracy in general. But on the positive side, he has
(56:28):
a clear unequivocal mandate from Donald Trump for two main things.
One one, if you want to understand that mandate, I
recommend that you look at the executive order in the
creation of the MAHA Coalition, which is a pen governmental
organization includes top leadership from a variety of agencies across
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the government, including Treasury, and in that executive order, Trump
laid down certain directives I'll talk about moment in general,
Bobby and his colleagues.
Speaker 3 (57:07):
That broadly we could call the MAHA leadership in the government.
Speaker 4 (57:13):
People like Jay Boditaria have been given a mandate by
the President to show measurable improvements in the health of
American citizens within twelve to eighteen months.
Speaker 3 (57:24):
That is a huge lift.
Speaker 4 (57:26):
Nothing like that has ever existed before in terms of
a presidential directive, and he's going to need all our
help to get there. And the things that you can do,
particularly the listener is do your best to drop some weight.
I've dropped fifty pounds of the last two years. You
can do it too, and that will improve your health
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and your energy and all kinds of things, your risk
for heart disease and diabetes and so.
Speaker 3 (57:54):
Many other things.
Speaker 4 (57:56):
There's many things we can do to help Bobby. He's
going to need all helping get But if we kind
of dial back to the Executive Order, what it lays
out is a focus on chronic diseases, and explicitly it
directs MAHA in this MAHA Commission to focus on children's
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health and children's chronic disease, And explicitly within that is autism,
a topic that Donald Trump sincerely cares about, and other
chronic diseases, the epidemic of chronic disease and obesity in
children in particular, and also the over medication of children
(58:43):
using a variety of agents that basically collectively act to
basically drive our particularly young men, young males, into a
state of uh, you know, uh, submissive haze where they
(59:07):
will no longer be hyperactive, uh in in no longer
being questioning authority, and no longer be acting out. They'll
just be drugged and uh appliable in our public school
systems UH and and so I think we can expect
to see movement, particularly as it relates to children's health.
(59:29):
And that is the authorization that is now allowing UH,
Robert F. Kennedy and and those aligned with him to
begin moving through UH these issues like the vaccine event
adverse Event Reporting System, the CDC, the f d A,
the ni H, and in particular, the mission that's that
(59:53):
Bobby is laid out through MAHA is to refocus the
federal bureaucracy in federal R and D enterprise health related
are Indie enterprise towards health promotion as opposed to disease treatment.
That sounds like a small shift to some people, it's
a huge shift in terms of the bureaucracy because all
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of these organizations are the technical term is siloed. They
are all very much siloed around specific diseases. And so
there's basically thought leaders and administrators and a whole ecosystem
around each of these diseases, and they don't really coordinate.
(01:00:34):
So if you have diseases like obesity that cut across
and explain a lot of underlying nuanced diseases, specific diseases
that are silos. Those silos don't cooperate very well with
each other, and the real problem is obesity in that example,
So I think you can expect to see Bobby focusing
(01:00:55):
and the people surrounding him and his team and his
chief of staff, et cetera, focusing on reorienting the bureaucracy
towards health promotion by doing things like eliminating known toxins
in our food supply. The risk with Mahawk, which I remember,
Maha comes from the left. Bobby is a self professed
(01:01:19):
Kennedy Democrat, which is to say, pre Carter, pre Reagan,
new deal Democrat of the sixties.
Speaker 3 (01:01:25):
And if you you.
Speaker 4 (01:01:26):
Know, as I was there in Boston when he did
his kickoff for his presidential campaign, he's all in on
a lot of those old Great Society programs still as
if Ronald Reagan never happened. So Ma comes from that angle,
kind of from the left. But as I laying out
on today's essay, he's kind of transitioned through a series
(01:01:47):
of events. He's been rejected by the left, rejected by
the Democrat Party, and found a home in the.
Speaker 3 (01:01:55):
New center right.
Speaker 4 (01:01:57):
And I'm guilty of having kind of facilitated in some
way him finding that home, Like I was the one
that first got him on Seapack at a big donors
conference in Las Vegas that Matt Schlapp took all kinds
of grief for inviting Bobby to that. I enabled that,
But it turns out to have been prescient, and so
(01:02:18):
Bobby has found a new home. But is you know,
you can't rewire somebody completely, and I think the risk
with MAHA is that it will. It can easily veer
into nanny state. And I illustrate this like I did
in my brief talk at Seapack last week. If you
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follow me on this and read between the lines, if
someone wants to eat McDonald's hamburgers and drink Coca Cola's,
it's their right.
Speaker 3 (01:02:54):
To do so.
Speaker 4 (01:02:56):
If somebody wants to smoke cigars, I think they should
be allowed to smoke cigars. We shouldn't have the federal
government telling them whether or not they can smoke cigars
or eat McDonald's hammers. Now, I think it's appropriate that
the federal government would yeah right, yeah, you get the point.
That would never come out of Bobby's mouth. He's way
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more astute.
Speaker 3 (01:03:18):
Than that actors an underlying truth, right, which is there.
Speaker 4 (01:03:26):
Is a risk that MAHA veers towards some kind of
health totalitarianism which we do not need. And if I
have a role in that world in the future, and
it's possible, I might. I don't mean to be coy,
but the truth is I don't know. People say things
and they usually don't come to pass.
Speaker 3 (01:03:50):
So I'm not counting any chickens.
Speaker 4 (01:03:51):
But if I was to have a role, I think
the role I could best play is to constantly remind
people of fundamental libertarian principles and the Constitution, and that
it's not the proper role of fellow government to tell
us how to cook our eggs and whether or not
we can use gas stoves. You get the point. Uh
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And and so I think that MAHA needs to rein
in some of that tendency. And and there's some real
fundamental tensions as you work through that, as there are
with with Mega uh and this tension between America centric
no longer being an imperial state and yet being expansionist
(01:04:34):
when talking about Canada and Greenland and eventually potentially Mexico. Uh.
Speaker 3 (01:04:40):
Right, there's the things that are don't live in the
same world.
Speaker 1 (01:04:44):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (01:04:44):
The Doge initiative, which is all about.
Speaker 4 (01:04:46):
Deregulation and uh financial Uh deregulation particular, Uh doesn't live
in the same space as MAHA, which has some intrinsic
drivers towards more regulation.
Speaker 3 (01:04:59):
You know. Uh.
Speaker 4 (01:05:00):
The operation Warp Speed was all about throwing out the
rule book for regulatory affairs and streamlining things and and
Bobby's world is all about, well, we actually needed that stuff.
And I'm with him on that there was a reason
to have regulatory oversight because Parma is you know, nefariously
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wicked not to not to pick anybody, but you know
you I'm capturing a broad set of general issues with
a short phrase, and so h there are these boundaries, like,
for instance, is it okay that virtually all of our
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grain and soybeans are contaminated with round up right now? Yeah,
because there's good data that round up is associated with
wait for it, obesity and autism, m round up exposure
in utero.
Speaker 3 (01:05:57):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (01:05:58):
So over the last ten years, there's been this practice
developed in which you use roundup as a desiccant to
kill off the stems of the crop whatever it is
that you're going to harvest, so that the seed product,
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whether it's wheat or corn, or barley or soybeans, so
the product dries out uniformly. Why is that important as
opposed to the old days where you're just kind of
waiting for the weather and the sun came out and
you you know, and you didn't get a lot of rain,
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and so the plant would dry out and then the
corn or the wheat or whatever would mature and you
would harvest it. The driver behind that is that the
cost of combines has gone through the roof. They now
use these mega combines, and of course we now have
mega farms, no longer have small farms that are all
owned by Wall Street usual players, Black Crock, State Street.
Speaker 3 (01:07:05):
And Bill Gates. What could go wrong?
Speaker 4 (01:07:08):
And so in that world of mega farms, in mega
expensive combines and harvesters, what's done is you basically have
specialty operations headed up by crews that moved from far
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large farm to large farm with their hyper expensive equipment and.
Speaker 3 (01:07:31):
Do the harvesting.
Speaker 4 (01:07:33):
Well, you can't schedule that unless you can say beforehand, yeah,
our crop will be mature and dry on August twenty eighth,
and you can come through.
Speaker 3 (01:07:43):
How are you going to do that?
Speaker 4 (01:07:44):
Well, you gotta use a dessiccond okay. So that kind
of the finances and everything else and Big Egg and
all that have conspired to put us in this position, which,
by the way, Europe bans glyco state contamination, Canada doesn't.
So we end up with roundup being sprayed on our
food crops kind of at the last minute, and then
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it all gets harvested.
Speaker 3 (01:08:09):
Well where does it end up.
Speaker 4 (01:08:10):
It ends up in your Quaker oats and in your
cereal shows and yeah, cheerios and your pasta and everything
else you know that you have for breakfast, your toast,
and that that's got to stop. So that's a proper role.
It seems for government to say no, no, that's not okay.
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But it's a slippery slope if that's not okay. And
driving around without seat belts isn't okay, and you smoking
cigarettes or of vaping is not okay because you're going
to be a burden on the healthcare system and therefore
you're going to be stealing money from your neighbor through
their tax dollars, et cetera.
Speaker 3 (01:08:54):
Et cetera.
Speaker 4 (01:08:55):
Then then we can quickly justify a nanny state. Maha
uh uh, heavy hand and so I think personally that
Maha and Mega along the lines of populist movements historically
have a real problem in the United States and worldwide
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in translating their policy there. They're populist angst issues into
sustainable policy. I think we need to have a conversation
about where the boundaries are what you know, you know,
world that's more aligned with libertarian principles and uh anarcho
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capitalism as hobby A Milia practices it, which is kind
of like now revolutionizing the world. Uh and you know
in Elon and with his chainsaw and everything else.
Speaker 3 (01:09:53):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (01:09:54):
And Donald Trump, I think Donald Trump very much looks
to hobby A Milier as a as a model for
what can be done in turning the government around. But
as you know, as we if we are now to
live in a world or within Mohan Mega to advance
a more libertarian, a small government frame of reference, I
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think we've got some real tough choices to make about
what is the proper role of government in maintaining an
imperial state globally and projecting soft power globally. I think
we've got some hard questions there, and we've got some
real hard questions about where the boundaries are in.
Speaker 3 (01:10:41):
Making Americans healthy.
Speaker 4 (01:10:42):
I think we have to do it through leadership, and
Bobby is the perfect choice to lead the bully pulpit
to advance healthcare. I wrote another essay about this in
which I was talking about methyl and blue, which Bobby uses,
and that people that are using methyline blue and all
kinds of other their stuff are functionally biohackers.
Speaker 3 (01:11:04):
And I love this little tagline.
Speaker 4 (01:11:07):
We have now for the first time a secretary of
HHS who both a bodybuilder and a biohacker. That that
is a whole new world. So many things are possible.
It's a new reality. I don't mean to be all
down in the mouth, but I do think we need
to take the time to think through where the boundaries are.
Speaker 1 (01:11:27):
Mm hm no.
Speaker 2 (01:11:28):
I agree, And it's a very good point because while
we want to see all of these things come to pass,
and we desperately really need folks to be healthy to
sustain what we're doing here in this country and where
we want to go, how we get there is equally
is important.
Speaker 4 (01:11:48):
Whether or not it's sustainable, we don't. So all these
executive orders are great. It's amazing time to be living.
Donald Trump is probably one of the most transformational sidens
in history, certainly at least since Teddy Roosevelt. But it
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could all be reversed if there's a backlash at the
midtime or in the next presidential election.
Speaker 2 (01:12:18):
Fascinating conversation. I just love it, and thank you for
giving us the time today.
Speaker 1 (01:12:22):
Doctor.
Speaker 2 (01:12:23):
I know you've got lots of things you've got to
get done as well, and we'll have you back and
we'll continue these conversations if you're still able to come back,
or if you who knows.
Speaker 5 (01:12:31):
What roll that's mixed, that would be a mixed blessingting
My freedom to speak, whether it's on substack or in podcasts,
is important.
Speaker 2 (01:12:44):
We've seen a lot of a lot of that lately,
as folks are giving up big businesses, salaries and even
that to to go and serve, and we just we're
glad to see that's that's happening. But if people want
to in the meantime, sub Stack great place you mentioned
a couple of times today, and the book that's out
as well, where can folks find them and make sure
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that they stay in touch.
Speaker 4 (01:13:07):
So the politically correct way I'm supposed to say about
the book is it's available at all booksellers, and you know,
and of course the subtext is there are almost no
booksellers left except for Amazon, so there's that and the
only place that you can get the audio book, which
many people like. And by the way, it's a little
(01:13:29):
more accurate because when I personally recorded the audiobook, I
caught the typos that we're in the text that are
in the in the printed version, and so the audiobook
is actually a little more precise and correct, and it's
easier to assimilate. You can just flip it on when
you're doing chores with your earbuds or commuting or whatever
your particular thing is, while you're.
Speaker 3 (01:13:49):
Fishing or whatever it is. So that's I work, and.
Speaker 4 (01:13:56):
It is at a discount I think, still in Amazon,
but it's less of a discous that it used to be.
Speaker 3 (01:14:03):
Substack.
Speaker 4 (01:14:04):
We now have renamed it Malone dot News, as opposed
to who is Robert Malone, which was a reference to
who is John Gold if any of you are in
rand fans, And so because I kind of live in
Galt Sculpture in this Red County, in this part of Virginia,
(01:14:26):
so you could go who is Robert Malone on substack
or you could go Malone dot news and you'll pull
them up. Subscriptions are free, but if you want to
participate in the chat, you got to pay five bucks
a month. Sorry about that, but I do have to
make a living and we put these out daily, and frankly,
the ones that probably pay for horse feed and everything
(01:14:50):
else in my life are the Friday Funnies and the
Sunday strip that are aggregates and memes that everybody loves.
Speaker 1 (01:15:00):
I love it. Well, keep up the great work.
Speaker 2 (01:15:01):
We appreciate you taking the time and good luck in
the future no matter.
Speaker 1 (01:15:05):
What it brings.
Speaker 3 (01:15:06):
Thanks thanks for having me on.
Speaker 1 (01:15:08):
You got it my pleasure, doctor, Doctor Robert Malone.
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