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Speaker 1 (00:00):
On the phone with us right now. Is our good
friend James Dixon down I seventy five over on Twitter
x and the Michigan Enjoyer podcast that you probably enjoy
if you haven't had a chance to check out yet.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Welcome in. I saw you made it into the Fray
James on this this week, which I thought was kind
of interesting. Dana Nessels speaking out on this and in
mentioning you absolutely.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
You know, we were talking about the Christopher surecase, and
I noted on Twitter that the only reason this thing
happened in the first place is because Dana Nussel, our
attorney General, wanted her own George Floyd moment. She wanted
to be able to prosecute such a case. And you
know that the pressure, the times, everything in combination and
(00:48):
the prosecutor being a guy with his own political future
led to charges in the case. Dana Messel came at
me with the argument, well, I didn't charge him a Republican, did,
our boy j Murray At the Enjoyer, Jay z Delorian,
I call this guy rookie of the year in Michigan
journalism justin I mean, I've never I've been in this
(01:09):
field since two thousand and seven on the paid side.
I've never had something. I've never seen someone come in
and dominate in their first year like I have Jay
z Delorian, and it's just incredible to watch. And so
he goes back through the news record and all the
public statements. Stan Essa was absolutely angling for this case,
and her pressure played a role in the charge of
(01:32):
being filed, as I claim.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
You know, it's interesting. I remember that conversation. I had
to go back last week. We were looking at this
and as the trial started again, you know, James, I
thought the same.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
I was saying, Oh, why did this?
Speaker 3 (01:46):
God?
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Why did this?
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Even God can't remember why? There was something about the prosecution.
Why did he charge it? I thought, wait a minute,
was this because there were theories about that, and one
of the theories that that acknowledged Decker charging this case
was was because the theory was is that if he didn't,
Nessel would, and so to make sure it didn't become
(02:08):
a circus and a political nightmare, not just not just
for you know, politics and elections, but also for the city.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Remember we had Grand Rapids, you know, burned in.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
It's twenty the wake of George Floyd, and and we've
got all of that tension and what not built up,
and so one of the ideas was, well, maybe he'll
take it and then we can sort of work through
this reasonably. And whether you agree with that or not,
I think that did play. I think the political climate
at the time and the radical sort of ideology and
(02:45):
circus at Dana Nessels, the Attorney General of the State
of Michigan, would have brought to this would have been
a whole other level.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
And could you imagine if had lost the case, that
would be just another failure. And when you look at
her record as Attorney general, the whole thing has been
a record of failure. The I was just talking on
the Enjoyer podcast with Rep. Angelo Rigas from Out your Way,
(03:13):
and you know she chairs the Weaponization Committee. They've demanded documents.
It's been you know, it's going to be eight weeks
by the time the documents arrived. They've demanded a detailed
accounting of exactly what Dana and Nessels spent on the
Flint Water Crisis prosecution to deliver us a goose egg,
to deliver us a zero no justice. No one ever
(03:34):
spent a day in jail, and so this would have
been just another failure. There is no record of success.
Dana Nessel's entire career in politics owes solely to Gretchen
went first.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Coattails down I seventy five over on Twitter X.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
By the way, down I showed fine, if those are
not cotails, you want to be tied to today, by
the way, So we're watching some of the really bad
news come out of of Lansing. In fact, she's experiencing
I think one of the fourth worst maybe of unemployment
results here in the nation right now, Michigan having some
(04:13):
dismal numbers popping up. She spent over two hundred and
four thousand dollars on a spring trip to Europe. As
we now have decided to file out, the numbers are in. Yeah,
unemployment claims jumped one hundred and twenty eight point three
four percent last week. GO one pays for the highest
rate in the nation. Whitmer pushes business tax increases, state
grows increasingly unfriendly to job creators. And again this ties
(04:36):
in to what we were talking about this morning with
Dana Essel as well. Business does not want to come
into a state where the kids are running though the
inmates are running the aside.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
They want the adults in the room.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
They want an environment set and as President Trump has
set the table with the terrace and the trade talk
and all of these things that are happening, We're starting
to see reinvestment here in the United States, and Michigan's
going to miss out if we continue to let these
clowns run the circus.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Justin it makes me so sad, you know, normally, like
like when when Jim Blanchard, you know, rans for governor
and won it in the eighties, he had Reagan in
the White House. It is rare that you have Whitmer.
You know, with Trump, it is rare that you have
a friend in the White House in Michigan who would
connect with the governor. And you know, if a Republican
were to win next year, that could be the situation
(05:28):
for those last years. But right now we are so
out of position to take advantage. This is the first
time since I've been alive that we've had a president
talking about wanting to reindustrialize America, which in any other
circumstance you would think, oh man, Michigan's going to clean up,
but not necessarily. In those last thirty years, the southern
(05:51):
US have gotten a lot more industrial.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
One, companies are extremely comfortable going there and they have
the right to work there. You don't necessarily have to
deal with the UAW or a guy like Sean Fain
their president, Whereas in Michigan we tied our workers to
the neck of Seawan Fain, and so we will rise
and fall with the guy who wants to plan a
global general strike in twenty twenty eight. This is not serious,
(06:17):
but the consequences that are coming couldn't be more serious.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
That's absolutely right, and that's a problem here at Michigan
because we have a short amount of time, and obviously
I think that underscores how important the twenty twenty four
election was, but how important things will be in twenty
six and beyond to get to stay back on track,
which we've shown that it's possible. You see that we
can do it. The question is will we? And obviously,
(06:43):
as timing is of the essence here, what do you
I just got to I know this is not really
something we plan on talking about, but how about this
tariff's working so well? Even the new pope is made
in America.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
I'm not.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
I'm not a Catholic chance, but I do I think
it's I find you know, I love I love the
fact that this is this show's I think it's kind
prophetic really if you think about the resurgence of America
on the world stage and the good that it can do.
Now the pope has an opportunity and now there's a
(07:17):
lot of back and forth. In fact, we'll probably go
through some of this during the after show about what
his past comments are. Who he is a guy from Chicago,
spent a lot of time here in Michigan, in fact,
in West Michigan in seminary and high school and and
whatnot before he got out into the world stage as
a cardinal and beyond.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
So there's some interesting things there. We don't really know
what he's going to do yet.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
There are some traditional pieces, but there are some also
political things that make us wonder and scratch our head.
But at the end of the day, what's your reaction
to this? And you know, I mean, is there something
about having an American pope out there?
Speaker 3 (07:58):
Yeah, it's incredible. I mean, we all thought Trump was
going to bring jobs back. I don't think anyone ever
expected him to create new jobs that had never existed before.
Of the first ever American pope, I mean, when you
have a position that's been around two thousand years, We've
been around two hundred and fifty years, two hundred and
forty nine right now, and to be here to witness history. Now. Unfortunately,
(08:22):
this guy grew up in the you know, came up
in the Chicago diaces at a time of Barack Obama.
So he's probably not what you're gonna want. He's probably
not a guy you would share a ballot with. But
I think a lot of people, even yesterday before it happened,
would have said, couldn't imagine the American pope? Just not
(08:45):
something that's never going to happen in our lifetime.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Yeah, it's really cool.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
We got to witness this history.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
It really is interesting.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
And again I'm going to reserve judgment to see what
he actually does. I think it's hard to know one
way or the other, how exact actly he's going to
come out. We do have a lot of pieces from
the past, but I'll break that down a little bit
later because there are some interesting and I saw this
report the other day and I thought, well, okay, this
is this is kind of fascinating because if you go
(09:14):
back now, everybody is scrubbing the internet to figure out
who he is, what he's done. And there were some
things that he tweeted, there were some things that he'd said,
you know, and all of that should be scrutinized, all
of that should be brought up. Those are those are
important pieces, right, we want to know, we want to
know who this guy is and what he's all about.
But I found it really kind of interesting. One of
(09:35):
the guys that did some research on this had a
pretty good detailed list of some of those things and
what exactly they were, and I found them to be
very very interesting. Some of the things he'd said about,
you know, immigration, for one thing, leads you believe he
might be a little woke. But there were some things
that he said about, you know, homosexuality or women and
(09:57):
the being involved there was kind of lived him a
little bit more of a traditionalist.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
So who knows.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
Time will tell, And at the end of the day,
we have an American pope. The only other thing that
that I'm just very excited about. It didn't work this time.
Judge Bozburg was unable to issue a temporary restraining order
against the Vatican, prohibiting.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Him from naming a new pop Now, he tried he tried,
but it did.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
I think I think the judge is learning how little
power he has these days.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
James Dixon always a pleasure, my friend. Of course, the
conversation continues over on ax Down Ice seventy five in
a podcast you'll want to check out this week.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
It sounds like a doozy.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
Oh we had two bangers, John Engler and then Angela
Reguez talking about weaponizations. Can't mess either.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Got to go check him out. Always a pleasure, my friend.
Thank you for taking the time to be.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Here with us. As always, you got it, my pleasure.
On the phone with us right now. Is our good
friend James Dixon down I seventy five over on Twitter
x and the Michigan Enjoyer podcast that you probably enjoy
if you haven't had a chance to check out yet.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Welcome in. I saw you made it into the Fray
James on this this week, which I thought was kind
of interesting. Dana Nessels speaking out on this and in
mentioning you absolutely.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
You know, we were talking about the Christopher surecase, and
I noted on Twitter that the only reason this thing
happened in the first place is because Dana Nussel, our
attorney General, wanted her own George Floyd moment. She wanted
to be able to prosecute such a case. And you
know that the pressure, the times, everything in combination and
(00:48):
the prosecutor being a guy with his own political future
led to charges in the case. Dana Messel came at
me with the argument, well, I didn't charge him a Republican, did,
our boy j Murray At the Enjoyer, Jay z Delorian,
I call this guy rookie of the year in Michigan
journalism justin I mean, I've never I've been in this
(01:09):
field since two thousand and seven on the paid side.
I've never had something. I've never seen someone come in
and dominate in their first year like I have Jay
z Delorian, and it's just incredible to watch. And so
he goes back through the news record and all the
public statements. Stan Essa was absolutely angling for this case,
and her pressure played a role in the charge of
(01:32):
being filed, as I claim.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
You know, it's interesting. I remember that conversation. I had
to go back last week. We were looking at this
and as the trial started again, you know, James, I
thought the same.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
I was saying, Oh, why did this?
Speaker 3 (01:46):
God?
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Why did this?
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Even God can't remember why? There was something about the prosecution.
Why did he charge it? I thought, wait a minute,
was this because there were theories about that, and one
of the theories that that acknowledged Decker charging this case
was was because the theory was is that if he didn't,
Nessel would, and so to make sure it didn't become
(02:08):
a circus and a political nightmare, not just not just
for you know, politics and elections, but also for the city.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Remember we had Grand Rapids, you know, burned in.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
It's twenty the wake of George Floyd, and and we've
got all of that tension and what not built up,
and so one of the ideas was, well, maybe he'll
take it and then we can sort of work through
this reasonably. And whether you agree with that or not,
I think that did play. I think the political climate
at the time and the radical sort of ideology and
(02:45):
circus at Dana Nessels, the Attorney General of the State
of Michigan, would have brought to this would have been
a whole other level.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
And could you imagine if had lost the case, that
would be just another failure. And when you look at
her record as Attorney general, the whole thing has been
a record of failure. The I was just talking on
the Enjoyer podcast with Rep. Angelo Rigas from Out your Way,
(03:13):
and you know she chairs the Weaponization Committee. They've demanded documents.
It's been you know, it's going to be eight weeks
by the time the documents arrived. They've demanded a detailed
accounting of exactly what Dana and Nessels spent on the
Flint Water Crisis prosecution to deliver us a goose egg,
to deliver us a zero no justice. No one ever
(03:34):
spent a day in jail, and so this would have
been just another failure. There is no record of success.
Dana Nessel's entire career in politics owes solely to Gretchen
went first.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Coattails down I seventy five over on Twitter X.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
By the way, down I showed fine, if those are
not cotails, you want to be tied to today, by
the way, So we're watching some of the really bad
news come out of of Lansing. In fact, she's experiencing
I think one of the fourth worst maybe of unemployment
results here in the nation right now, Michigan having some
(04:13):
dismal numbers popping up. She spent over two hundred and
four thousand dollars on a spring trip to Europe. As
we now have decided to file out, the numbers are in. Yeah,
unemployment claims jumped one hundred and twenty eight point three
four percent last week. GO one pays for the highest
rate in the nation. Whitmer pushes business tax increases, state
grows increasingly unfriendly to job creators. And again this ties
(04:36):
in to what we were talking about this morning with
Dana Essel as well. Business does not want to come
into a state where the kids are running though the
inmates are running the aside.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
They want the adults in the room.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
They want an environment set and as President Trump has
set the table with the terrace and the trade talk
and all of these things that are happening, We're starting
to see reinvestment here in the United States, and Michigan's
going to miss out if we continue to let these
clowns run the circus.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Justin it makes me so sad, you know, normally, like
like when when Jim Blanchard, you know, rans for governor
and won it in the eighties, he had Reagan in
the White House. It is rare that you have Whitmer.
You know, with Trump, it is rare that you have
a friend in the White House in Michigan who would
connect with the governor. And you know, if a Republican
were to win next year, that could be the situation
(05:28):
for those last years. But right now we are so
out of position to take advantage. This is the first
time since I've been alive that we've had a president
talking about wanting to reindustrialize America, which in any other
circumstance you would think, oh man, Michigan's going to clean up,
but not necessarily. In those last thirty years, the southern
(05:51):
US have gotten a lot more industrial.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
One, companies are extremely comfortable going there and they have
the right to work there. You don't necessarily have to
deal with the UAW or a guy like Sean Fain
their president, Whereas in Michigan we tied our workers to
the neck of Seawan Fain, and so we will rise
and fall with the guy who wants to plan a
global general strike in twenty twenty eight. This is not serious,
(06:17):
but the consequences that are coming couldn't be more serious.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
That's absolutely right, and that's a problem here at Michigan
because we have a short amount of time, and obviously
I think that underscores how important the twenty twenty four
election was, but how important things will be in twenty
six and beyond to get to stay back on track,
which we've shown that it's possible. You see that we
can do it. The question is will we? And obviously,
(06:43):
as timing is of the essence here, what do you
I just got to I know this is not really
something we plan on talking about, but how about this
tariff's working so well? Even the new pope is made
in America.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
I'm not.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
I'm not a Catholic chance, but I do I think
it's I find you know, I love I love the
fact that this is this show's I think it's kind
prophetic really if you think about the resurgence of America
on the world stage and the good that it can do.
Now the pope has an opportunity and now there's a
(07:17):
lot of back and forth. In fact, we'll probably go
through some of this during the after show about what
his past comments are. Who he is a guy from Chicago,
spent a lot of time here in Michigan, in fact,
in West Michigan in seminary and high school and and
whatnot before he got out into the world stage as
a cardinal and beyond.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
So there's some interesting things there. We don't really know
what he's going to do yet.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
There are some traditional pieces, but there are some also
political things that make us wonder and scratch our head.
But at the end of the day, what's your reaction
to this? And you know, I mean, is there something
about having an American pope out there?
Speaker 3 (07:58):
Yeah, it's incredible. I mean, we all thought Trump was
going to bring jobs back. I don't think anyone ever
expected him to create new jobs that had never existed before.
Of the first ever American pope, I mean, when you
have a position that's been around two thousand years, We've
been around two hundred and fifty years, two hundred and
forty nine right now, and to be here to witness history. Now. Unfortunately,
(08:22):
this guy grew up in the you know, came up
in the Chicago diaces at a time of Barack Obama.
So he's probably not what you're gonna want. He's probably
not a guy you would share a ballot with. But
I think a lot of people, even yesterday before it happened,
would have said, couldn't imagine the American pope? Just not
(08:45):
something that's never going to happen in our lifetime.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Yeah, it's really cool.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
We got to witness this history.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
It really is interesting.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
And again I'm going to reserve judgment to see what
he actually does. I think it's hard to know one
way or the other, how exact actly he's going to
come out. We do have a lot of pieces from
the past, but I'll break that down a little bit
later because there are some interesting and I saw this
report the other day and I thought, well, okay, this
is this is kind of fascinating because if you go
(09:14):
back now, everybody is scrubbing the internet to figure out
who he is, what he's done. And there were some
things that he tweeted, there were some things that he'd said,
you know, and all of that should be scrutinized, all
of that should be brought up. Those are those are
important pieces, right, we want to know, we want to
know who this guy is and what he's all about.
But I found it really kind of interesting. One of
(09:35):
the guys that did some research on this had a
pretty good detailed list of some of those things and
what exactly they were, and I found them to be
very very interesting. Some of the things he'd said about,
you know, immigration, for one thing, leads you believe he
might be a little woke. But there were some things
that he said about, you know, homosexuality or women and
(09:57):
the being involved there was kind of lived him a
little bit more of a traditionalist.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
So who knows.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
Time will tell, And at the end of the day,
we have an American pope. The only other thing that
that I'm just very excited about. It didn't work this time.
Judge Bozburg was unable to issue a temporary restraining order
against the Vatican, prohibiting.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Him from naming a new pop Now, he tried he tried,
but it did.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
I think I think the judge is learning how little
power he has these days.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
James Dixon always a pleasure, my friend. Of course, the
conversation continues over on ax Down Ice seventy five in
a podcast you'll want to check out this week.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
It sounds like a doozy.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
Oh we had two bangers, John Engler and then Angela
Reguez talking about weaponizations. Can't mess either.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Got to go check him out. Always a pleasure, my friend.
Thank you for taking the time to be.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Here with us. As always, you got it, my pleasure.
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