01-21-25 KOA Sports Hour 3 with Shelby Harris

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Ogan Shelby Harrison Studio with us Ryan Edwards will be
on till six o'clock and we have things off to.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
Broncos Country tonight.

Speaker 1 (00:06):
So we had a conversation in the last segment a
little bit about Bonnicks, and I did want to bring
some stats to the conversation that sort of back up
what you were talking about some of his efficiency and
some things he needs to work on here in the offseason.
And this is via Ni Cosmo ter with the athletic
Bonix versus the Blitz, and maybe these are things that
you guys is the Cleveland Browns you sort of figured
out when you watched him on tape.

Speaker 2 (00:27):
But he ranked twenty.

Speaker 1 (00:28):
Sixth out of thirty six qualified quarterbacks in dropbacks based
facing five or more rushers and was on third down
he was thirty first in efficiency, so obviously got to
be a little bit better against the Blitz. And the
other stat to sort of back up your point about
efficiency is against man coverage. He's a fifty three percent
completion rate against man coverage was twenty seventh in the NFL.

(00:52):
So again, and I don't think we had some fun
with that. Sound of what you said about bonis back
in December. Of course that was right after you lost
that game. But I think more than anything, I think
there's an acknowledgement here with Bonnicks that and when we
talk about rookie quarterbacks oftentimes it's say, what we're seeing
right now should be the baseline, should be the floor

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of what they're eventually going to be.

Speaker 3 (01:16):
Knicks is, it's his rookie year and you're playing against
these NFL defenses. And we've been seeing more and more
now that younger quarterbacks have been struggling coming into the NFL.
But both Knicks is, luckily he's played so many college
games and he's he's ahead of the curve and and
no one's saying bo Knicks is a bad quarterback or

(01:36):
this or that. But the thing is, well, yeah, I
know that, but he can be better. And when he
does get better, that's what you gotta look, that's what
you gotta be excited for, Like as as a fan,
as as you know as a football guy. You know you,
like you said, you gotta think this is the floor.
It's only going to get better. And when you see

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that out of out of a rookie quarterback, you've got
to be excited for thee. But I'm telling you this,
and I'm a big believer of this. If they if
they want bonus and success, they just keep ascending. You
got to keep cooling sudden around. You got to keep
quotling sudden around.

Speaker 2 (02:11):
They don't think they're gonna keep cuoling sudden.

Speaker 4 (02:16):
Chance that somebody offers Court more money than the Broncos
are willing to spend, I think.

Speaker 2 (02:24):
I mean, he's under contract for woman.

Speaker 3 (02:26):
Chance on somebody will offer him a Colon is a dog.
This is the way he plays. He like he's he's
a long strider, so he's the fastest one what a
lot of people give them credit for. But those fifty
to fifty balls, that that's what the league has really become.

Speaker 4 (02:42):
See Corland, though, has to has to make a decision.
When I say somebody will offer him more money, I
mean you think Carlin is going to come into camp
and be happy after this last year and play his
last year of a deal and not expect the Broncos
to give him a new deal.

Speaker 5 (02:57):
No way, I say, no way, I don't think he'll
be happy.

Speaker 4 (03:00):
And so I mean I think based on how he
played this year, you know the Broncos would would think
about sort of sweetening the pot as I played with
their money.

Speaker 5 (03:12):
But but I just don't know. I don't know.

Speaker 4 (03:15):
I think that'll be an interesting thing to sort of watch.
I would also add this to what Shelby was talking
about in terms of the quarterback play.

Speaker 5 (03:23):
And I've said this for years.

Speaker 4 (03:26):
And i've and I think I'm finally I'm finally starting
to see some light of being right. You know, I
think the NFL has been woefully slow to the party
in terms of two dimensional quarterbacks for years and years
and years and years, and I understand it. The NFL

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has wanted guys that can operate in the pocket.

Speaker 5 (03:51):
How many times have we heard and even.

Speaker 4 (03:52):
I've said it, you got to you gotta have a
guy that can win from the pocket. But now I
think the NFL has adopted what college football and even
to a lesser extent, what high school football has been
doing over the last like ten years. In the NFL
is now just coming around. And you're seeing Jane what
Jayde and Daniel's been able.

Speaker 5 (04:13):
To do this year.

Speaker 4 (04:14):
It's like, oh, okay, so you can still running a
little bit, and you can put rpo stuff in and
giving different reads and so that has slowed the defense
down in terms of them being able to dial stuff
up because you know you got a pocket passer. These
guys like Shelby and coaches that coach Shelby, they stay

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up late man all during the week, coming up with
exotic different looks like and you're trying to decipher like
okay now with sort of a spread thinking, you make them.
It's easier for a quarterback to identify because you have
less people in the box, because you have more people
outside that you have to account for. So I don't

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know that we're going to see your pocket passers being
guys that the NFL will value as much as they
have over the last twenty years.

Speaker 3 (05:08):
I think the best part about having a dual threat
quarterback is eventually you have to take somebody out of
coverage and put them as a spy, and that takes
one less person off your receiver, and that gives you
a lot more decisions to make, a lot easier decisions
to make when you don't have as many people out
in coverage. Like what a Jaydon Daniels think about it,

(05:30):
Like fifteen twenty years ago, they would have told him,
you don't fit you, you don't fit in the league.
We need a pocketback, a pocket passer. But you look
at it now, look at the pocket passers in the
league now, and look how they struggled the Kirk Cousins,
the Aaron Rodgers this year, you know what I mean,
Like those guys that can't move anymore. Like though, that's

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kind of the game's past that now.

Speaker 5 (05:53):
The defenses are too good and too athletic.

Speaker 4 (05:56):
You get better, you know, listen, you get in most positions.
You got better athletes playing defense than you do offense. Right,
you could say, hey, offensive wide receivers against corners, Okay,
that could be a wash, but you look at the
offensive line and if you get into a passing situation
where they know you have to throw it, the defensive

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people are more athletic.

Speaker 3 (06:20):
Yeah, and then you also when your quarterback can buy time.
These receivers are too fast now, too twitchy. They're going
to find a way to get open man or zone.
And so when you have a guy that can move
around the pocket, a guy you know, look at Moha
Mahomes does it. It's not even necessarily like being the
fastest guy on them. If you can move around the pocket,

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your offense will be successful. You got to give your
guys a little extra time. And Brady, Brady actually was
one of the best people I know, one of the
best players I knew that was able to move in
the pocket. And he wasn't fast, you know, at all.
But now Kirk Cousins this year coming off the Achillers,
he struggled. And then Aaron again coming off the Killers,

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he struggled with the movement too. So with these d
linemen are too athletic, too fast to just stay in
the pocket. You gotta be able to move, and then
you gotta be able to make something to happen on
your feet. We see these quarterbacks. The rushers go crazy
to getting all the field and the quarterbacks rush, run
for the first down, anything it takes to get the
first down, and there is no more. We just we

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need you to throw it there. We need to throw
your here, hey, get the first down, to tell them,
Jash and.

Speaker 5 (07:27):
All the time every day Jackson, he has to throw
the ball.

Speaker 4 (07:31):
No, Ryan, you don't have to throw the ball, just
get the first get the first down, you know.

Speaker 5 (07:36):
Starting to sink in a little yeah, but.

Speaker 1 (07:38):
Again head first dives. I see what it does to
other people, and it fearful.

Speaker 5 (07:43):
Not you're saying.

Speaker 1 (07:43):
I'm saying I would be more of the slide down,
but I would do it fair.

Speaker 5 (07:48):
I would be fair. No, you wouldn't.

Speaker 2 (07:50):
Don't.

Speaker 4 (07:50):
You'd be dancing on the sideline and seeing I'm gonna
get one more step and then I'm gonna stand.

Speaker 5 (07:54):
You'd be Patrick mahomes Hey.

Speaker 3 (07:56):
I tell you who does get out of bunds right
away to a gonna have care sliding on the ground
as quick as he can. I'm talking about He's but
you got to ad you got it. You gotta get down.
I got to make that business decision.

Speaker 1 (08:10):
Yeah, that's good. I can't believe you think that would
I would do that. I I've been railing against that
so long.

Speaker 5 (08:16):
That's me saying, you're just you're a tricky fellow.

Speaker 2 (08:20):
You know from you, that's a compliment. It is you're.

Speaker 4 (08:23):
You're you know what whatever means necessary to.

Speaker 1 (08:26):
The running backs For a second, I want to come
back to that conversation. You said what Dalvin said. One
of thirty two is running back in your opinion, the
most important add this offseason for the Broncos.

Speaker 3 (08:39):
I would say yes, because it'll just bring more. It's
just balance it'll bring more balance to the to the
Bractos offense. And I just think if you look it
back at U you know Sean Paygne's days in New Orleans,
he thrives off of a good running game and having
an act at the good efficient quarterback and Drew Brees,
And so if for him to be successful, for this

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team to be, for any football team to be successful,
I'm a big believer if any team wants to be successful,
you have to be able to run the ball more,
and you have to be able to run it efficiently.
And you got to get ahead of the sticks. And
so you got to find that guy who's one of
thirty two. But also you got to find a guy
that fits into your offense. Some guys, like you look
at the Miami Dolphins offense, they have speed everywhere, they

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don't have a bruiser at running back. But then you
look at you know, the Ravens, they have bruisers like
they're a power running it. So you got to figure
out what your identity is and then go from there,
like what type of offense do you really want to be?
Do you want to be a ground and pound or
do you want or you want to have the flash,
you know what I mean. But it's hard to have
both in the and to be good at both of them.

Speaker 4 (09:43):
They ask yourself this question in sort of a rhetorical way.
The Ravens second running back, Justice Yeah, if Justice Hill
were here, Oh man, where would he rank in terms
of the running back room?

Speaker 5 (10:00):
Currently?

Speaker 2 (10:01):
Number one?

Speaker 4 (10:03):
And he's he's the second sort of change of pace
running back for the Ravens.

Speaker 1 (10:10):
So I mean, you could do go down the line
even talk about the Eagles, right kennth Gainwell, who's the
backup there?

Speaker 3 (10:15):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (10:15):
I tell you Gate Gamewell is a beast. Yeah, let
me tell you he's quick. As he looked at he
looked great. What when say Kwi went out for that series?
But Gainwell, you can't sleep on him. Also, that's the
old line. That's that's the whole team in general. But
game one, man, you gotta think the defense.

Speaker 3 (10:33):
Oh Barkley's out, we could take it, you know, take
a breathere, it's not going to be as crazy. And
then he goes in there he runs it right in
your mouth. So you know it's just you can't. You
gotta respect everybody who play against, but also not everybody
say clon Barklay.

Speaker 2 (10:46):
Well, well, no, and not everybody's gonna be Dereck Henry either.

Speaker 1 (10:48):
But I think the point is in the common thread
for me watching the playoffs this weekend, Dave, is that
if you don't have one of those dudes, if you're
you're not if you don't have those one of thirty two,
as you pointed out, if you don't have one of
those dudes, that have to be priority one, and it's
gonna help Bonux too.

Speaker 4 (11:02):
Yeah, I think if it's not priority one, it's it's
priority really important.

Speaker 3 (11:08):
What about it? I keep your eyes on JK Dobbins.
You know, it's a way to get a cheaper option
to someone with injury history.

Speaker 5 (11:17):
So I like JK Dobbins. But is he is he?

Speaker 4 (11:20):
I mean he's a free agent. Yeah, I can't imagine
that Jim Harbaugh is gonna let JK. Dobbins go anywhere?

Speaker 3 (11:27):
Well, is It depends on how much money you're willing
to tie up into the running back position. But also
with prior injuries and stuff, that's all the thoughts be
that you got to think about. So that might be
a flyer that the Brons, but Broncos want to know. Look,
at it just because it would fit. You have that
you all you everyone in your old line, you know,
is a stud. And then and then you just throw
a stud running back back the that runs hard and

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plays hard. It seems like a perfect.

Speaker 5 (11:50):
Fit to me.

Speaker 2 (11:51):
Do you know what he signed for?

Speaker 5 (11:53):
I think it was like two million?

Speaker 1 (11:54):
Was it?

Speaker 5 (11:54):
One? Six? Wow?

Speaker 1 (11:57):
Productive? That the proactivity they got out of JK. Dobbins
this year.

Speaker 3 (12:01):
Well, it's what the It's what the Ravens knew he
could do when they drafted him. It's his injuries has
derailed his career. Tu you know what I mean, And
that's the unfortunate part. But hey, he was able to
come back this year prove and he still got some
juice in the tanks.

Speaker 4 (12:12):
So well he's a hammerhead too, now, Oh yeah, I
mean you gotta really want to tackle him.

Speaker 3 (12:16):
I remember him at Ohio, say though, he wasn't just
a hammer and he had to speed behind him. So
another year after the injuries and another year able to heal.
You know, I'm excited to see what JK. Dobbins really
can do when it comes to next year. But I'm
excited to see where where he would be. But the
charters would be crazy. I was Nick Chubb coming back
from his injury this year. Man, I say, Nick Chubb
is one of the most inspirational people you could you

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could you could be around, because when I signed the
Cleveland last year, uh, you know, I was around him.

Speaker 5 (12:45):
I signed laid.

Speaker 3 (12:46):
I signed August tenth because it's the date for my birthday.
I remember it. But then I come in and you know,
Nick Chubbs one of those guys for one of the
first ones, that one of the last ones to leave.
He's literally truly like one of the guys that you
want your team to be like. You know, that's a
that's that's leader, that's somebody you want want to show
up in front of your team. But then he then
he gets hurt Week two against the Steelers. You know,

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a horrific injury, Lily, the whole, the whole proud, you know,
Pittsburgh fan. Pittsburgh fans are a rowdy you know what
I mean. And they went quiet, like that's there quiet.
Have such a horrific injury, and not the first one,
the second time this has happened in your career, and
then you know you're out the whole the rest of
the year. But you're around and you're around the team
and they see you working, just working, working, working, and

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come back and then you know, we go to camp,
and the next year we come back, go to camp,
he's still working, and it's just like, allright, I feel
like something, you know, something big about that happens when
come back he's still working. Starts and then he comes
back late halfway from halfway through the season, and you
just you can't help but just be so happy for
the man because you see how hard he works.

Speaker 5 (13:50):
Everything.

Speaker 3 (13:51):
When you see someone that comes in there and works,
doesn't say much, just put them. It's like one of
those guys put the hard hat on, hard hat, lunch pail,
ready to go to work every day. That's Nick Chubb.
And if he doesn't complain, how can you complain? You know,
he's one of those guys and truly a great locker
room guyer, a great leader, a great player. You know,
I think this next year you're really going to see
him really get comfortable with the leg because even it's crazy,

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you know, you destroy your leg, you know, destroy your
knee and then you're still under piles, churning yard like
you know, and that and that's Nick Chubb and that's
a guy. Anybody would be lucky to have that guy
as a running back because he is one of thirty
two men.

Speaker 1 (14:28):
You guys had a great one two punch with Jerome
Ford too. I mean I was such a big fan
of his and you talk about like you put him
on a lot of other rosters. He operates as a
one sometimes when Nick Chubb was out, very very talented,
Yeah you.

Speaker 5 (14:41):
Know it's Jerome.

Speaker 3 (14:42):
He has that He reminds me of a Leveyon Bell.
The way he kind of runs is very patient, in no,
very patient, because I always remember playing Le'Veon He's just
sitting there, taving his feet behind the line and waiting,
waiting for something to happen. And so that Jerome's trying
to hurry to do anything. But then when he hits it,
you see that real speed. And so Jerome Drum's a
great bag.

Speaker 1 (15:02):
He did.

Speaker 3 (15:02):
He did a solid this year and and last year.
So I love the way Jerome plays. But there's there's
nobody that brings to you what Nick Chubb brings to you.
And then a healthy Nick Chubb that that you know,
that's scary that all you know, No, that could be
another option for the Broncos.

Speaker 5 (15:20):
What Nick Chubb?

Speaker 2 (15:22):
Well, dave O, No, no, you seem to be a fan.

Speaker 4 (15:26):
Uh No, I'm a huge, huge fan. I can't imagine
the Browns are ready to give up on him. It
was a free agent after this year, so not after
this coming year, right, No, this year, so he's free agent? Now, yeah,
that was okay? You know what, I didn't he realize that?
I don't know, I don't know. I mean, Nick Chubb
is the truth. If if and I didn't think he

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was the same this year. You know when I called
the game here when the Browns came to town, you know
he's playing and playing hard, but he just wasn't quite
the same.

Speaker 5 (15:59):
I agree, Shelby.

Speaker 4 (16:00):
I think now that he got out of the season,
didn't re injure anything. Now he can rehab even further.
But not the knee though. Yeah, right, so he can.
The further he gets away from what happened in Pittsburgh,
the better off. The mind is such a wonderful mechanism
that allows you almost to forget what you used to
be and you you now this is what you are.

Speaker 5 (16:22):
I think Nick Chubb will have a big year this year.
We listen.

Speaker 1 (16:26):
I'm a huge Nick Chubb fan as well, And I
do think that there's something too. A lot of times
for a lot of people like me that love the draft,
we sit there and go, oh, wouldn't it be great
to draft this guy or this guy? But then there's
something to have in some leadership in the room, right,
There's something to having some consistency there.

Speaker 5 (16:43):
So JK.

Speaker 1 (16:43):
Dobbins, who has a lot of experienced Nick Chubb, who
has a lot of experience, there might be something to that,
especially if they are going to move on from Davonte Right.
If that's the case, then it's gonna be Jalie. It's
gonna be a oddric two guys that are relatively young
in their career. And then if you just drop a
rookie in there, like you take Ashton Jandy or something
there at twenty or Marion Hampton, maybe there's something too.
You may want to have a little more experience in

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there to help out your young quarterback, your young wide
receiver corps. There's only so much youth you could ultimately
throw out there on the field. At all times, it
still expects to win consistently, and at this point, the
Broncos had that expectation, right, the fan base has an
expectation you've reached the playoffs.

Speaker 2 (17:19):
This next year, it's about more than just reaching the playoffs.

Speaker 5 (17:22):
Well, what do you think they're going to do it? Twain?

Speaker 3 (17:25):
You think you think Ashton gent is going to be
He's a pick because obviously we keep talking about running back.
Is running back is a need? But is it their
most pressing need and a pressing need where you have
to use the first round pick.

Speaker 4 (17:37):
No, I think I think it can be the most
pressing need, but I don't necessarily think it's a first
round pick.

Speaker 5 (17:43):
Now again, could be very very wrong.

Speaker 4 (17:46):
I mean, depends on how they look at Ashton Genty
and is he in their eyes?

Speaker 5 (17:51):
Is he that guy? Is he like, okay, that guy?

Speaker 4 (17:55):
I mean, if so, then maybe, But I think again,
I think this team has other needs to be as
good as you just said next year playoff team this year?
You want to next year be in the playoffs and
make some noise, right, And so there's other you know,

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there's other positions. I think the tight end position is
one of them. I think maybe safety. They take a
look at safety too. I think inside linebacker could possibly
be another one.

Speaker 5 (18:26):
But I'm not I'm not sure about the first round.

Speaker 3 (18:27):
Well, if Kyle Pits coming comes available, do you kick
the tires on Kyle Pitts? Because the depends are what
it costs me to kick the tires, you know, because
that's always athlete. That was an issue with the Broncos
is they really didn't have a legit, no number one
tight end and that right, you know, a tight end
is always a quarterback's best friend. And if you get
an athletic freak like Kyle Pitts, that changes the game.

Speaker 2 (18:49):
So if you're spending the Broncos money, you'd say, go
do that.

Speaker 3 (18:52):
You know, I love to spend other people's money. So
if I was the Broncos, I would do this. I
would obviously I'll figure out the position. But then you
got you gotta do something with the tight Like we're
talking about offense, you gotta do someone tight end, and
then you gotta go I don't know if you want
to draft another receiver, but you got to resign Courtland.
You've got a draft of another receiver. You get to
figure out what you're gonna do at the running back position,

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and then I'd say make a splash of tight end.
What if you Warren from Penn State.

Speaker 4 (19:20):
Oh Man, I think you got to get higher than
they are probably a little bit.

Speaker 1 (19:26):
You know, And I know that wide receiver feels like
it's a little bit further down in that conversation. I
think to answer your question, I'm looking at skill position
there at twenty that that's for me, So like whatever
the whatever idem is my best skill position, whether you're
a positioned to take Tyler Warren Colson Loveland out of Michigan,
uh or.

Speaker 2 (19:44):
Even a mecha BUCA.

Speaker 1 (19:45):
Last night playing wide receiver for league Ohio State Buckeyes,
I mean that that guy is a slot.

Speaker 2 (19:51):
He's sure handed.

Speaker 1 (19:52):
He's one of the all time receivers there at Ohio
State based on the numbers, And the fact is that's
become like wide receiver you Ohio stayed.

Speaker 3 (20:00):
Really Uh yeah, I think over the last couple of
years of Ohio State, what else does it better than them?

Speaker 5 (20:05):
Right now?

Speaker 4 (20:05):
Most catches ever, I mean two or two last night
so ridiculous, you know what. I the one play that
watching that game, I was like, oh, he's that was
the play fumbled? Great, right, fumbled, but on the little
flip they faked the counter and flip flipped the end
around I mean, he showed really good ability to make

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people miss. That that's you stop and think about it.
That's something that this team has, I think been looking
for in their receivers. It's one of the reasons that
Marvin Mims kind of surfaced, you know, midway through the season,
because you figured out, all right, he's a punt returner,
so he knows what to do when he gets his
hands in the ball. Let's just toss it to him.

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Let's throw quick stuff. But you need another guy that
can catch a hitch. And then he's a problem for
defenses trying to get on the ground with his suddenness
and his ability. He turned seven into like twenty four.
That's something I think the Broncos need well.

Speaker 1 (21:07):
One of the things that also is known about him,
he likes to block down field. As a wide receiver.
Sean Payton seems to be like those sorts of things.

Speaker 3 (21:15):
I wouldn't throw you the ball if you weren't blocking, right,
because the line that's how you hell you want to
get the ball? Hey, you know, and all I want
is the ball in my head. And that's why I said,
you got to be able to block. You gotta be
able to buy are we trying to win here? Because
if we all talk about money and everything, the players
that get paid are the ones that are on winning team.

Speaker 5 (21:34):
How's Jerry Judy as a blocker? You know he tries,
I don't even try. Shoot, it was in front, just Jerry,
but hell no.

Speaker 3 (21:47):
He's like, oh, well, you know anything Jerry tries, you
know what I mean. But we'll be doing Jerry Desservants.
They go out there and go, okay, go cass He's
d R touchdown fast.

Speaker 2 (21:56):
Yeah he did that against.

Speaker 3 (21:58):
I know Broncos Country was kind of mad about that,
but you know, sometimes you just need a change of scenery.
And I don't think people realize how important that is.

Speaker 4 (22:05):
I mean, you made the Pro Bowl. Yeah, basically in
one game. Yeah, he had a thousand dollars. He didn't
have the whole nine in that one game gets Denver
and I can nine hundred and fifteen or.

Speaker 1 (22:15):
Something, and the final score didn't really help this hour's
chance when one thousand dollars coming up the.

Speaker 2 (22:19):
Next five minutes too soon.

Speaker 1 (22:20):
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about this each row for first Japanese born player voted
into the National Baseball Hall.

Speaker 2 (22:56):
Of Fame and C. C.

Speaker 1 (22:57):
Sabbathia your guy, Mike, Michael grant you the real you
got the former.

Speaker 3 (23:05):
Brewer you already know he's about there. Epic I remember
the epic playoff run that he that he blessed us
with that year. But uh, you know, great, I've always
heard great stories. Is a great time and somebody that's
very deserving.

Speaker 2 (23:19):
It's probably known a little bit more. Is it even
here the picture they have as a Yankee?

Speaker 3 (23:23):
But uh that's the that's if you're like one of
most fickle fans.

Speaker 2 (23:28):
There we go.

Speaker 5 (23:28):
You know what I mean that the real So be careful.
I mean I was such a kid with the Brewers.

Speaker 3 (23:39):
Man he should if he was, you know, if he
was that guy. I would say, Cec, you should go
into Hall of Fame in a Brewer jersey and the
Brewer uniform Brewer had he might he might do that.
That's just such a that's his run. When we when
we when they got when he got traded to the
to the Brewers, it was probably the most electrifying, like

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the energy that the Brewers has had in a long time,
probably just as big as Christian yelledge when he got
there with the MVP and everything. Cec Sabatia. He came
there and we're like, all right, like we're going to win.
We're finally actually trying to win.

Speaker 1 (24:15):
You.

Speaker 3 (24:15):
As you see now with the base with baseball and
the small market teams and the big market teams.

Speaker 5 (24:20):
He's the rich.

Speaker 3 (24:21):
He's keep getting richer in baseball. But for a small
market team, when you when they make a trade like that,
you know more likely it's only for half the season.
He's only gonna be there half the season. But the
mark that he left on the Brewers is you know,
you still feel it to this day and it's still
what gives you hope every year that the Brewers would
be able to make something, or any small market team
would be able to make something happen. Is because most

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small market market teams have all the assets to make
a trade like that, so they might surprise you and
then end up with you know, one hundred one season
and and and make the playoffs and maybe win the Pennant.
But then the next year, you know, all those guys
are gone. It's like my Brewers. This year, Willie Damas
went to the Giants, and then you know Devin Williams

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of the Yankees, and it's just it's a tough year
for the small market team because the Dodgers are just
taking over free agency.

Speaker 5 (25:09):
Hey you're sitting here talking to guys who love the Rockies.

Speaker 4 (25:12):
Yeah, Soela, yeah, we know exactly what that pain looks like.

Speaker 1 (25:16):
Dodgers is the worst six foot six, three pounds dude.

Speaker 4 (25:23):
It could have been an edge pass rusher. He would
have been a great three four defensive end.

Speaker 1 (25:29):
Coli just yeah, you just see him on the mountain
and just like, how is this possible? Then?

Speaker 3 (25:34):
Also I think also, don't forget Billy Wagner is in
there too, all time Astros and Philly is great right there,
So there's another great cloth. Oh yeah, my baseball baby,
you know Billy Wagner baseball as a kid. No, no, no,
not because you know, being in the inner city of Milwaukee,
not many leagues you can go to. And they're also

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very expensive. And so the only reason I got to
play basketball and football is because they waived my my
entrance fee. Wow.

Speaker 5 (26:03):
Yeah, so ain't lucky lucky me?

Speaker 1 (26:05):
Right?

Speaker 2 (26:05):
What did you playing basketball?

Speaker 3 (26:06):
You know that was a three small forward and a
power forward. You know, it's crazy, crazy, fun fact. I
actually hold the record in my high school for the
most block shots, every block shot record.

Speaker 1 (26:15):
Well, that we watched you play football here a dead bro.

Speaker 2 (26:18):
We know that you could block shots. I mean, that's
not a thing.

Speaker 5 (26:20):
It's a natural crossover, natural.

Speaker 1 (26:25):
Bro. Hey, listen that that was when you were here,
and that we played that at the open of the show,
the one against the Raiders.

Speaker 2 (26:32):
Man, that that was cool. Man, it was great.

Speaker 1 (26:35):
It was great having you here, obviously playing for the Broncos,
but you just had a knack for it.

Speaker 3 (26:40):
Yeah. Man, it's it's part of rushing the passer. It
is realizing, you know, where the quarterback is in his progressions.
Is he about to throw the ball? It is he
about to pull it down and run? You have to
have eyes on the quarterback ball, so you have to
be rushing at the same time. And you know, I
hear a lot of people say when it comes to
batting balls, Oh, you're just getting stuck in the line
of scrimmage. That's actually not true. The way you bat

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balls is you have to get pressure. You have to
get deep into the backfield so that it's it's at
a lower at a lower rate when it's when he
throws it, it's lower and you can and you can
bat it down. And also, you know, I had my
D nine coach when I was here, Bill Collar. We
practiced that every day. Every day we did some type
of battitball drill and it worked out because we led
the We led the league every year in batter balls.

Speaker 1 (27:23):
Well. But then you also, and I remember after that
one specifically you were talking about in the locker room.
You said, actually that that was a little bit of
film study, like because that was the two point? Was
that of a field goal attempt? I think it was
a field goal attempt there for the Raiders two point.
That was a two point. But they sometimes put you
in on some field goal blocks too.

Speaker 3 (27:42):
Oh yeah, well, I'm in every field goal block. I'm
a big believer of. You know, the way you can
judge a team is watch the field goal block after
they give up a touchdown. That's how you can judge
the state of a team. Are they going are they
going hard? Are they trying to block it? That's how
you judge if a team is a real team because

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you can watch it even on Sunday, on Saturday, Satura
and Sunday, watch the field goal block teams. Are they
trying to make a difference in this game? Because every
point in the NFL matters. Any way you can make
it an impact in this game, no matter how little.
If you can make any impact in this game, it's
going to be felt. And so if you can block
a kick, Okay, so you blocked the kick, guess what

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did they run it back? That's seven points or it
can be two points. Or like my first game with
the Broncos was against the Chargers and we've blocked that
kick against Young Hoku to win the game. You can
have a game winner that way, you know what I mean.
It's so many ways to affect the game. I just
think that it's not just sacks and receiving yards or
you know, passing. It's ways to affect the game, and

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that's why special teams is so big, and that's why
you see teams win or lose based off of special teams.

Speaker 2 (28:52):
Yeah, it's probably not talked about enough.

Speaker 1 (28:54):
Dave with the Chiefs, right, I mean, we know that
the block with the Broncos, but they've told out there.

Speaker 2 (28:59):
It's told Tom.

Speaker 5 (29:00):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (29:01):
He does uch a great job coaching their special teams
and it's something that there is a big factor in
a lot of their success.

Speaker 4 (29:07):
Yeah, I think that. I think Shelby's right in terms
of watching the effort. There are some guys that don't
understand that on special teams. You can literally stay employed.
You can literally stay in the league by the amount
of effort and productivity you have on special teams. My

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rookie year, I didn't ask for it, but I'm the
gunner on the punt team. I'm like on the kickoff
coverage team. I'm on the kickoff return team. And then
you know, three or four years and I'm a starting
wide receiver. I was the holder for pats and field goals.
So you mean, you know what, the more you can do,

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the more chances you have of sticking around.

Speaker 3 (29:52):
And that's a big thing. I try to tell young
guys now, if you're not starting, the way you stick
on a roster is yeah. And a lot of young
players don't understand that. Matthew Slater had a ten plus
year career with the Patriots solely off of special teams.
Special teams players are more valued than they even realized.

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And these young a lot of these young guys gotta
get with it, because I get it. You didn't play
special teams in college. You know you're the starter, and
so you come into the league like I'm here to start. Well,
until you do, what are you going to do to
stick around? And that's the key. You gotta be able
to stick And I think that that's the lesson a
lot of these young players coming up, and even college
players calling into the draft. They got to realize, Hey,

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all right, until I figure out what I can do,
I'm going to go out there and I'm gonna be
a special teams guy. And you still, Hey, they get
paid the same amount of money as everybody else does.

Speaker 2 (30:44):
It's good advice.

Speaker 1 (30:45):
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Speaker 2 (30:50):
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Speaker 5 (31:00):
I'll go.

Speaker 1 (31:01):
It's going well for a great time today with Shelby.
Shelby's going back tomorrow as well as Thursday, looking forward
to that. The Nuggets are in action tonight against the
seventy six ers.

Speaker 2 (31:11):
Joel Embiid once again.

Speaker 1 (31:13):
Not not playing in Denver again.

Speaker 2 (31:20):
And it's been since was a twenty nineteen.

Speaker 1 (31:22):
Twenty nineteen was the last time Joel Embiid played in Denver.

Speaker 2 (31:26):
We've had two elections.

Speaker 1 (31:27):
Tom Brady was still the Patriots quarterback, Todd Gurley was
on the Rams. Tiger king and the Last Dance weren't
even out yet, and the United Kingdom was still part
of the European Union. COVID hadn't happened either. Yeah, a
lot of things, man.

Speaker 3 (31:43):
All I know is as an opposing somebody own an
opposing team, I don't want to play in Denver.

Speaker 6 (31:50):
Man a beautiful place. The altitude is truly, truthfully so,
you had been here before. When you came back last
year at the Browns, you could feel it all felt Oh,
even though you've been here before.

Speaker 3 (32:00):
I tried to be as lazy as possible and freaking
to keep my way out.

Speaker 2 (32:06):
I was like, I'm not.

Speaker 3 (32:06):
I kept trying to tell people. I'm like, don't work
too hard because once, once you lose your error, it's
hard to catch it back.

Speaker 5 (32:12):
And so I get it.

Speaker 3 (32:13):
And I can only imagine for basketball players, like you know,
people go, we see Lebron and everyone else come here,
and everyone always ends up dying in the fourth quarter,
like you have great you know, the people in the
best shape possible are are dead in the fourth quarter.
Even when I played here, every year we played, every
year we played somebody in the fourth and after the
game they come like, man, it's unfair. I always said

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that the Broncos. If I was a Broncos coach, I
would go no huddle.

Speaker 5 (32:38):
That was the thing. I will go no huddle.

Speaker 3 (32:41):
Bea would force you. I would force you to die
on the field.

Speaker 1 (32:45):
You had to do substitutions then exactly struggle on the field.

Speaker 3 (32:49):
And that's and that's the tough part of it, because
it's impossible to cutch your breath out here. And if
you notice, teams rotate like crazy when they come out here.
So I would go no huddle and now make sure
my team is the best the motion shaped team in
the league, and we'd run you out off the field.

Speaker 2 (33:05):
So is that why d you all and keeps ducking.

Speaker 3 (33:07):
I wouldn't be surprised. I wouldn't be surprised at all.

Speaker 1 (33:13):
It's like I can't do it. I can't do the conditioning.
She's not it's not working.

Speaker 5 (33:16):
That's a lung pomp. He ducks him because he's allowed to. Yeah,
I'm pretty simple.

Speaker 3 (33:21):
Well true, Well, I see Jiannis every time he comes here,
shows up. Yeah, Jna shows up. And that's one reason.
You know, I'm a little biased. I am a Bucks fan,
always always hear the deer. But I just one thing
I do respect, though, is how hard Giannis plays. In
the age where you have a lot of players who

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take games off and and really just like you know,
just are just there, not even really playing. Nis is
going to give you one hundred percent every time he
touches the floor, and so you got to respect it
as a basketball fan.