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Speaker 1 (00:00):
President, Ryan Edwards, Shelby Harris is study was Shelby, what
what how you doing? It's good to see you, man,
Good to see you too.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
It's a rare occasion to see you in like normal clothes.
Speaker 3 (00:11):
Man.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
I mean it just you just kind of roll in here.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
You're not head to toe in some kind of weird
Milwaukee gard.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
Was normal clothes. Mean, it's just he's.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Not wearing a jersey of a random team that nobody
rand nobody cares about here in Denver.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
You know that those kinds of you hear.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Mister flannel over here trying to tell me.
Speaker 4 (00:28):
About I'm just sitting back and joining. Oh god, yo,
go right ahead.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
I just I didn't know you own other clothes, that's all.
It's nice to say.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
You know. I wanted to be comfortable for today with
my guys.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
You know, yeah, I dig it. Sweatpants. Oh yeah, always
you go to bed all Bright collection.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Oh no, no, no, they lose.
Speaker 4 (00:46):
You got him?
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Oh they probably go down to your feet actually my
ankles of course.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Caprice.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Oh yeah, I didn't know men wear wore caprice. But
you know, good for them, they don't.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Has lost anything on this fastball. No, that's what I've
gotten a little tired. Man. You were on some rants yesterday. Bro,
that was that was awesome. No, I'm uh, I'm good.
You good? Yeah good. I had a couple calls this
morning from Boulder. I bet you did. I did, and.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
A it's like I said yesterday in the air, I'm
I'm the easiest guy in Denver to find.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Well, yes, but also there's a little bit of like,
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
I thought what you said yesterday was extremely fair and
represented a large group of CU fans and alumni, like,
you weren't saying anything out there that was for a sensationalist.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
You know, you weren't trying to just hate.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
I'm gonna throw a bunch of hot takes, and I
don't care who this lands are.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
I'm not that guy.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
You know that anybody's listening to me over the years,
I'm not that guy.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
And I felt I said.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
Yesterday I was going to keep in one hundred and
felt strongly about that.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
I don't feel any differently today.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
And I told one friend in Boulder that called, hey, man,
I spoke from the heart.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
I spoke what my truth is.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
And if I've offended or HaVeset people up there, They've
They've got my number, AD's got my number. They've all
got my number. So you know, I'm looking for a
Donnie Brook.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
But you know, if if one comes.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
If one comes, one comes, I I honestly I wouldn't
take one thing. I said back, and let me let
me ask, let me ask both you on this. I
was thinking about this today. If Dan Hawkins had retired
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Cody Hawkins Jersey after four years, we would have lost
our mind.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Now.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
I think Shoulder is a better player than Cody Hawkins,
so he's got that going for him. But Cody Hawkins
threw for more yards I believe at cu than Shoulder did.
The point of it is, and I don't you know,
we spend so much time on this yesterday that like
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my head nearly blew off. But the point of it is,
there has to be some sort of system that makes sense,
and whether or not this current Stafford administration wants to
include like former buffs that they may want to just
at least inquire like hey, what are you guys thinking,
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which I think would be the smart thing to do.
There has to be some sort of like how do
Joel come to this conclusion?
Speaker 3 (04:02):
Yeah, that's the big that's the that's the biggest thing
is how did you come to this conclusion that he
should be included in this prestigious group? And what records
does he have a see you?
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Well, it does have a lot of those, Like he
does have some records as he you like, it's as
far as completion percentage and touchdowns.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
I mean, he does have those things.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
So it's always that. So that's what I'm asking is,
so are we going to say if you have like
seasonal records that see you, you are eligible to have
your jersey retired?
Speaker 2 (04:36):
But you and I both know this is not a
precedent setting situation, and that's probably the frustration.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
I believe it totally is precedents. I think it kind
of is though, because it's it.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
How is this precedent setting?
Speaker 3 (04:49):
I think that the question is really of is he
only getting in because of his dad or did he
actually earn the the place of being like, no one's
questioning the tribes hundred thing because obviously he won the Heisman.
The issue is including Schuduran just based off of his
college play at CEU. I think you know, Dave has
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a point.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
I mean, how would you say what or why would
you say this is not precedent setting.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Because we'll never see this situation ever again. I mean,
you just said that it is precedent setting, right.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
What what I'm trying to say is that you won't
be able to follow this line of logic for the
next candidate.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Okay, Okay. That's the point I'm trying to make, is
like this line of logic or.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Any other candidate or the other candidate, this exists literally
in this specific paradigm with this coach and this quarterbacks.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Okay, well, then that that I mean, and I think
that's true. And so that.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
To a lot of CU former CEU players and maybe fans,
that's that's a bogus explanation, even though I think it's true.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Philippinsa isn't there yet, he's not, so you know, like that,
that's I guess where you're going to get some of
the vitrol from the fans is because there's former players
from former years that have been waiting through the due
process of you know, everything else to get to get
their rightful place of you know, the Ring of Fame,
hall of fame, you know, whatever it is. And it
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kind of it seems like certain people get to skip
the line, and it's like you're forgetting about the history,
the past people who are still waiting to get in.
And like I said, no one's questioning the Travis Hunter thing.
But then when you ask your door in there and
there's still guys like Philip lindsay that aren't I think,
you know, it's a valid you know argument, you know,
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and no matter what you decide, he's in, so like
it doesn't really matter. I guess what we all think.
But I think the the the backlash about it is
warranted though it's you know, you allowed to question it,
and I think that is a valid question of is
this really a place well, and especially like that he
hasn't gotten drafted yet, so automatic are we just going
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to give it to him right after they're done playing well?
Speaker 2 (07:03):
And again we talked about the time of yesterday and
how weird it was you announced it on a Monday
for a Saturday spring game. Right to do something so
prestigious for a Saturday spring game.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
It is naturally televised.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
I still contend that this is a recruiting thing, like
the design of this also ego, there's a lot of egos.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
It's a recruiting thing.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
You're kind of making a mockery of the Hall of
Fame because if you're just doing this for recruiting and
trying to be like, look what I do for you know,
my my players, my team, they're gonna make the all offen.
That's kind of making a mockery of what it kind
of stands for, because.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
You know, maybe we need amend how what it stands.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
For exactly then and then there's no problem. But also,
like it's supposed being in a hall of fame, being
in a schools Hall of Fame, it means you went
out there and you did something that mostly no one
else has really done over over your career. You know,
I think Joe Burrow might be the only one that
can go out there and really late claim that like
I did two years here, and I deserve to be
in a you know, the Ring of Fame for LSU
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because of what he did at LSU. You know, Colorado
hasn't They're on their way up, but they're not dead yet.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
I love your Cody Hawkins comp man. That's such a
I hadn't thought about that. Today's passing yards in Shador.
But but again, but if ony ever would.
Speaker 4 (08:18):
Consider listen, if Dan Hawkins. That's so good, though, said
after Cody's senior year. Uh huh, listen, we're going to
retire Cody Hawkins Jersey.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
I'm telling you, did he have more than thirteen wins?
Speaker 4 (08:35):
People's heads would would blow off their shoulders, and mine
would have been right with them.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Would you have said that right after he thinks pasta
Jay's there would have been before.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
Well that, you know, that was kind of a that
was kind of a misstep in a press conference, if
I recall. Yeah, I mean seriously, man, it's uh, here's
here's the bottom line. There's not a damn thing we
can do about it. They don't When I when I
said yesterday they don't care and Boulder, I wasn't referring
to anybody other than those involved in football right now,
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not basketball, not any other sport.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
But the reality of it is that they they don't care.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
Maybe they have to now in today's world sort of
insulate themselves, and I mean whatever, uh, but they do
not care what any of us think.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
That's pretty clear.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
And I think this is just gonna They're gonna have
their their spring game on Saturday, and they're gonna, you.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Know, retire both those jerseys.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
To me, you get a kid that wins the Heisman Trophy,
I'd want to retire it in front of a full
stadium of the biggest game that I could do it
next year and make a huge he won the Heisman Trophy.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Really, bro, So what do we? What do we? What
are we doing here Saturday at a spring game?
Speaker 3 (09:57):
But I believe if you look at were like, I
think he would have eventually made it. I think that
the controversy is just because it just he just finished playing.
Because if you look at, you know, a lot of
the stats of CU quarterbacks, he's really up there for
almost every single one of them. Like even if you
look in career like passing touchdowns, you know, in a
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single season in a career, like he's really like he is.
But I think it's just.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
That's because they threw the ball every I'm not again
not bashing should or but damn in today's game, they're
throwing the ball everything.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
They couldn't run it for media, Well, automatically we know that.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
We know that, like if you have the records, you're
going to make it to the Hall of Fame. No,
I no, I just think it's the timing and trying
to pair him with Travis when Travis did win the Heisman.
I think we're trying to compare them as college players.
But obviously, like whin the Heisman is such a prestigious
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deal in an award, Like yes, like automatically he will
you know he should have. You know that he should
have that immortality that at Colorado.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
I heard, I heard. I heard a friend at a
former with this give it away you know what whatever.
Friend and a former buff today say that Shadur is
a better quarterback than Darien Hagen.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
Now listen, listen.
Speaker 4 (11:23):
When I see this friend and he is a friend,
I mean, are you you must have lost your mind? Yeah,
he throws the ball better than Darien? Was he a
better He's not a better quarterback than Darien? Hey, Darry Hagen?
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To me, he and or Cordell Stewart the two best
quarterbacks to ever play at the University of Colorado?
Speaker 1 (11:52):
What are we? What are we talking about here? But
see again?
Speaker 4 (11:56):
And then I'm then I'm gonna shut the hell up
at least on this topic. And I'm like, listen, I
was talking to myself last night. I got home still
talking about this nonsense. But I mean here's the thing.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
It's it's it's it's not hate.
Speaker 4 (12:15):
When you have a different opinion on a decision of
this magnitude, it's it's not hate has nothing. And I
said yesterday has nothing to do with race. I mean,
some people want to turn every single thing into If
you criticize someone, well then it has to come from
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a place of hate, or it has to come from
a place of race. And there are those folks out there.
There are those folks. We should point them out on
a regular basis. That's not what this is. This comes
from a place from a former player's heart that looks
at what is transpired in the last week.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
And by the way, since coach Prime.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
Got here, I have said, how much as a former player,
I appreciate the job he's done. He's done it differently,
but that's okay. He still made see you relevant again
and I'm anxious to see what they do this year.
That said, I don't have to like every decision that
they make. And when I differ with a decision, then
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all of a sudden, it comes from a.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Place of hate.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
Hate or a bitter o man or whatever all that
nonsense is. It just comes from a place like you know,
there was a history of SeeU football before you all
got to town two years ago, and you ought to
honor some of that before you just arbitrarily decide that
you're going to retire your son's jersey.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
That's all I agree. Also, if you look at dry Hagen,
he won a championship, like he won the big Game.
You cannot compare to that unless you win the game,
because that's that that period of Colorado. You know, everyone
around these parts, oh, like that was legendary Colorado football.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
It got him to back to back national championship games.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
But I just believe that. I obviously, you know, if
you're going to retire jersey, you're going to retire a
number or anything like that, it has to be a
one of one, like a guy that's the top of
you know, the best quarterback you've had.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
And so again Travis Hunter, Yes, Heisman Trophy. So we're
gonna unretire Wizard whites jersey. And again, not not to
you know, take too much time on this, but way, way, way,
way way back then led the country, and rushing led
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the country, and touchdowns went.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
To the NFL.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
Led the NFL, and rushing then went on to sit
on the Supreme Court for thirty years.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
But it's okay to unretire his jersey.
Speaker 4 (14:55):
It's okay to unretire Bobby Anderson who played in the
late sixties. It was a tremendous player. We can unretire
his jersey, right. We can unretire Joe Romig who played
in the early sixties, was a great, great player, was
a Rhodes scholar. It's okay to unretire their jerseys. But
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we're gonna retire Chadure after two years. Sorry, And again,
just for any of you knit wits out there that
didn't hear me yesterday, this is nothing personal towards Shadoor
as a kid. I hope he plays great in the NFL.
I hope he goes to a really good spot for him,
and I think he I do think he's a hell
of a good player. So it's not anything personal about him.
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And I'm quite certain I said yesterday he didn't go.
It wasn't his idea to go in and say, hey, dad,
what do you think about retiring. I'm pretty sure that
didn't happen. So it's the adults involved in this that
I take issue with.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
You know, is this not doing the I wouldn't say
the right way, but I'm saying respectfully of the people
that laid the ground work before you came. You know.
I think the issue is that there's so many former
players that, like I said, I've always been I will
hype up to lib Lindsay every chance I get because
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one of my favorite teammates and one of my favorite
running backs I've ever played with, and his number is
not retired, you know what I mean. And he was
at CU when they really weren't even good, and he
was the team, like he was their.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
Team, no doubt, man, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
So in that aspect, it's like you're skipping the line.
But we've seen you know, we've seen this all over life,
you know what I mean. People get to skipped the
line all the line. Nepotism is all over the all
of the world, and you know it's only certain incidents
where we're against it. But I just think that you
just can't skip over some of the former players that
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deserve their time to well.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
I'm just excited about in a couple of years when
Julian Lewis is going to be up for you know,
being in the Ring of Faming.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
There up and see you. That's gonna be really fun.
But then again, he's not related to I'll tell.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
You what I'm excited for. I'm excited at some point
because this happened to Byron Wizard White, happened to Joe
rom it happened to Bobby Anderson. At some point, somebody's
gonna have to unretire Chadur's number. Evidently that's that's okay
to do because they've done it to three of the
previous four numbers that have been retired. And and it
wasn't just Prime that did this, right, Mel Tucker did that.
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Carl Durell, who followed I think Midnight Mel. He then
re retired the numbers, and now the numbers.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
Have been unrich.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
Yeah, and well, you know, I think in a day
and age in il like we're in il age, and
some of these kids are gonna be like, I want
that number, and these teams are going and these college
is going to go and give it to them. And
it's completely disrespectful to the players of the past if
they earn that right to be have their number retired,
leave it retired.
Speaker 4 (18:09):
I just say, hey, you know what, you drive your
little ass, take your little Lamborghini and go right down.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
To wherever you're going to go.
Speaker 4 (18:15):
If if that's gonna make the difference, if you can't
have this number, well then you know what we'll miss you.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
Like high school kids demanding numbers, I think that. I
think I think they are, like, no, I'm just saying
like that. That's that's where we're at right now. I
think they are, like it's it's literally like you're you're
coming like we have high school kids and depending on
where you recruited, coming in acting like they're Tom Brady. Yeah,
coming in, act like they're in round. I'm not necessarily
talking about uarterbacks. I'm talking about in general of like you,
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the man that respect as already of a of an
All pro, a Hall of Fame quarterback, and you haven't
thrown a single damn pass in college, you know what
I mean. And so it's just a once again it's
like n I O has and I always I'm gonna
always say this, n IO has made these kids act
like pros in college and happen. And that's why you're
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going to see a lot of these kids struggle if
they do make it to the league, because the league
doesn't care they don't care at all about you're looking
at Pima don and stuff. If you're not gonna go
out there and perform, you're out of there. If you're
more worried about your brand and all that crap, and
you get to the league, which I've seen, I see
teammates that come in Richie here have a you know,
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have a logo, Well you have even you haven't even
played one step in NFL. And that's what for me,
that's what you need to be worried about it first.
Worry about making an impact on the field first, before
you actually sit here and try to talk about your
name and your logo and all this other stuff. And
I think it trickles down to college.
Speaker 4 (19:42):
So what happens? Serious question? They just thought of this too.
What happens if the don't even know who this would
be greatest quarterback coming out of high school this fall,
coming out of high school, getting ready would be in
college this fall, wants to come to the University of Colorado.
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But damn, I mean, I've worn number two since I
was in third grade. Coach, I mean, I'm I'm ready
to ready to sign, but I got to have number two.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
What happens then?
Speaker 2 (20:16):
I would imagine for prime who was related to the
person that has number two retired, that might be a
little bit of wiggle room because he goes name up
there like that.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
And then again, you think he.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
Would unretire his son's jersey after it just got retired.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Do you think he's gonna turn down to recruit the
best I'm asking, arguably the best recruit in the country.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
Yeah, the best quarterback in the country. No, I don't.
So you think he'd unretire? Should do as Jersey thunk.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
One hundred kids on your roster as it is anyways,
there's only so many numbers.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
What's the point of retiring then if you're not, if
you're automatically being like, all right, we're going on retire
the whole time. What I'm thinking is when you retire
a number, oh you retired, like nobody ever will get
that again. That's the respect when my high when my
high school football coach told me, as long as you
know he's the coach, and as long as nobody will
ever wear I wore eighty nine in high school and
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nobody will ever wear eighty nine again. But then if
I come back in two years and somebody's wearing eighty nine.
That's not retiring my number. That's just putting it on
the shelf for a couple of years.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
They laid it out. We have press that is precedent.
We have president here at the university.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
There was that bank robbery. We don't talk about that enough.
That's just you.
Speaker 4 (21:38):
Know, sometimes that does get your jersey unretired.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Sometimes sometimes.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
So speaking of all the nil stuff, we have some
breaking news here on nico Ia Maliava.
Speaker 4 (21:50):
Nicely done, Colorado, Ryan, Yeah, nicely done.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Practice in the mirror all morning. So we have the
breaking news on him. We'll get to that coming up
here a little bit. I guess some more stuff on
Travis Hunter that I want to ask you about as well.
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Speaker 1 (22:26):
So we do some breaking news here.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Nico im Liava, the former Tennessee quarterback who held out,
is scheduled to make two point two million in nil money,
held out Josh Hipel.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
The head coach.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
He decided to just out and out release their quarterback.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
And it was funny today.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
Earlier today, there's a big discussion point on how maybe
college football is just not as strong on this guy
as he thought his mark would because he was looking
for four million reportedly. Now there's some layers to this.
Moments ago found out per Colin Coward of all people,
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that he's going to UCLA. So he's being he's transferring
to ucl Yeah, it's good. Good to be forgot. And
his family is saying it's not about the money. It
was never about the money. It was just about his
role in the offense and so on and so forth.
But it's a fascinating thing, right because Tennessee said, Okay,
we're just we're not gonna get there. You know, you're
a quarterback. We understand that we're just not gonna get there.
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And then you thought for a moment, maybe maybe in
the Anile era, maybe the rest of college football was like,
we're not gonna We're not gonna meet this demand.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
Four million is a lot.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
In fact, there were reports earlier today from Pete Tamel
that he might not only he might get less than
he was getting a Tennessee's.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
It was a wild situation.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
But in the end, I guess if he's gonna sign whatever,
we don't know the money he's gonna get with UCLA
he signed with similar money. I guess it all kind
of works out. One thing you brought up, though, that
I wanted to come back to Shelby was about the
he was getting, because that's the thing that keeps coming
back for him. His dad, the people in his camp,
they were telling him he should be holding out for more.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
And that's tough. This Nil era, You're going to have
a lot of bad advice. You're going to have people
telling people, oh, why way, why two and a half?
Why not fours? And always tell people you know, the
minute you start pocket watching is the minute you're screwed.
The minute you try to sit there and compare, you
know what other people have and say, well I deserve that,
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you're screwed. What did Jay Cole say? Love yours, be
happy with what you have and then focus on being
a better quarterback. The issue I think I feel like
with Nils, everyone's worried about everything but football football is
on the back burner about everything when it comes to ils,
there's all about the money, money, money, and it's it's
actually astronomical. It's hilarious to me that Tennessee screws themselves.
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I released him, and I think this.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
Is where they screw themselves. What else?
Speaker 3 (24:58):
Who else they have? They have two other quarterbacks that
haven't played. You were just in a college football playoffs.
You just screwed yourself.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
But like.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
We're to age right now where and I has no rules,
So I'm not surprised by any of this. There's no
This is the wild, wild West right now, and so
I'm not surprised by people trying to hold out, like
you know, trying to demand more money after you already
signed a contract. Like I'm not surprised because everything we're
seeing right now.
Speaker 4 (25:28):
For the first time, I would say that Tennessee will
be just fine, and I would bet they will have
a really good quarterback when fall practice starts in Knoxville.
I think Josh Heipel, the head coach, had no no
way out, and I think the young quarterback forced his hand.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
I mean, when you want to have.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
Your deal that you agree to renegotiated, making two point
three million in college in college, and the answer you
get from Tennessee, which is paying you, is we're not
going to be able to do that. And then you
decide not to show up for practice and you don't
show up for the spring game.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
Brother, you got to go.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
That's the biggest issue, not showing the practice, not showing up.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
Yeah, yeah, that's the issue. You got to have.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
What it is this you're not the pro You're just
not the pros. This is not well, you can't hold
out from like this is this is not you can't
just stop show up the camp, you know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (26:33):
Like, this is not assuredly he is not going to
get two point four million dollars to play at UC
think so because now I mean the market, it's like
any of Now we're talking strictly from a business decision.
All right, you walked away from two point four your markets.
I mean you've already had Georgia say no. See you
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said no. There's other schools that have said no. Now
your market is tu Lane in U c l A.
Why It's like, why would U c l A offer
more than Tennessee was pain? Why bid against yourself? Yeah
you're not wrong, but you said it's.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Anthing interesting though, that you said that you think Tennessee
screwed themselves. I just don't think they're should they have
gone before?
Speaker 3 (27:18):
No, I just I just think they I'm just kidding. No,
I'm not. I'm not saying that. I'm just saying, just
let them enter the transferportal. Then Paulus bluff. No, they
did what I'm saying. But like, I know, I get it,
but just saying like, all right, like we don't have it.
If you want to go in transporportal going to transport,
don't be like we're going to force you to transferportal.
Speaker 4 (27:41):
I think you got to send a message to your team.
I mean, I really really do. Even in the end
the day in era and it's different now within I
L I get it. Coaches hands are tied and you know,
players can walk, and if they don't, you know, you
coach them hard and they get butt hurt and they
want to go to the portal. They so something has
to be figured out. But I think in this case,
you're starting quarterback. I mean, you don't think that the
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rest of the Tennessee team is looking at this to
see like I wonder how coach hypel's gonna handle this.
Here's how I'm going to handle it. You're not playing
for us. Moving forward, We'll find somebody wants to play
in Tennessee.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
But it's not even just Tennessee. It's like the ice
of the world.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Like this was very public, right we found out he
was holding out, and so you're thinking about all the
other colleges, not only the SEC, but the Big ten,
the Mige twelve.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
You're again you said it's the wild West.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
We don't really have a path paved for us on
what this is all going to look like. On the
other side, we know eventually there will be a correction
to the market.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
We just don't know what it looks like.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
But in the moment there, if Tennessee did say, you
know what, golly, we don't want it to start over
a quarterback, okay, four million whatever, who says this not's.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
You've been get ready to go to the bank about
thirty times? Yes, fall right.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
I think it says it reminds me of when the
Ravens and it's completely different, complete different situation, but the
reaction to it when the Ravens uh uh did the
restricted franchise tag or whatever? On the restrictive, restrictive tag
on Lamar Jackson, and all these teams instantly came out
and said, we don't want them. We don't want them.
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All teams that needed a quarterback. I remember the Falcons,
they wanted to give up to first turn, you know,
you know, But then now these teams that need a
quarterback in college, it's like the same thing. We don't
want them. So is it a collective of like, well,
you know, kind of get him like a collective get
him out of there? Is if there are things behind
the scenes that we don't know. No, I would I
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would the money for see you in Oregon.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
If he was willing to walk away in that fashion
from Tennessee. As Shelby said, Tennessee was a was a
playoff team last year and he was unhappy at two
point four. Why would you think if you're another school,
all right, we could, we could give him three. What
stops you from doing exactly the same thing to us,
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holding us basically hostage. I'm a good player. We agreed
to three, but I want four point two. I mean
sooner or later. I mean, especially coaches in college, they're
tired of dealing with this. And even though that kid's
are really I mean, he's a good player. I mean,
I've seen film. He can run, he's tall, he's got
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a good arm. But sooner or later, you got to
take a stand on principal alone. So you can stand
in front of the rest of your team and say, hey,
we're just not going to operate that way, and we'll
find somebody who wants to play at Tennessee, wants to
be your guys's teammates, and I promise you that player
will be good and we're gonna go compete like hell
in the fall.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
In that same instance, though, coaches leave over more money too,
and I think, and this is where the argument kind
of just gets sloppy, is because you have coaches be like,
we're tired of that, you don't tie that stuff. But
then you'll do it if you feel like you've been Hey,
I want more money and they don't give to you.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
Becaus right, I'm out. But there's there's a penalty though
for it.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
Yeah, but then the coaches don't pay it. But that's
what I'm saying that it's no there's the coaches when
they want to do it, and so the players are
doing the same thing, and so it's just a matter
of you know, what is going to be okay, Because
if if a coach can just get up and leave
and then you know, and right before you you're preparing
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for bold season and just dip out on you, then
how can you sit there and demand a player have
more loyalty to a school than you do. It's to see,
I don't think this is It's not like during the
season day, you know what I mean, Like, this isn't
all this is the off season. I'll get it into
spring ball, but it's not a during the scene. The
coaches leave their team during that's fine the scene, you
know what. The coach leaves and they have to move
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on and have somebody else come in and coach. So
the player leaves and they got to find a quarterback
to come in and play quarterback at Tennessee. Yeah, well,
I'm just talking about you said a couple people had
to make a stand, had to take a stand for
the rest of his team.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
Yeah, but.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
If Alabama comes calling him, or if another job comes
calling him offers him more money, where's that stand for
the team at then? Because it's it's you know, it's all,
it's a market. It's a frequent and so obviously the
issue is he played his hand wrong.
Speaker 4 (32:18):
The stand would be the ad if that happened, would
get rid of the coach and go find another coach.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
Yeah, just it's it's a tough situation. But obviously what.
Speaker 4 (32:29):
It is I see played his hand wrong, fall you
fall in love, and his dad's his agent. Evidently two
point four million dollars is not as much money as
I thought it was, right because now you you wanted
four million, Okay, we all want that kind of raise,
but now you right now you have.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
Zero, which is a lot. But that's what he was asking,
I know.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
But like it had to be somebody that got four
million for him to just pull that number.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
Carson Beck got a massive pay raise going to Miami.
I can't see that either, But I'm not allowed to
you I would be asking for.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
Because I don't look at Carson Beck as necessarily like
a quarterbacks are.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
I understand it's okay to ask.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
Yeah, but like that, Yeah, it's okay to ask.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
But but you know what, we're shaking hands and good luck.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Yeah, targets for the Broncos coming up. We are about
a week and a day away from the draft day
to day the Broncos hosted Trayvon Henderson, talented running back
out of Ohio State, is the final This is like
the final day that they can host anybody. I believe it.
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A week out is like the deadlineline to bring anybody
in for your top thirty visits. When you when you
look at those two running backs just for fun, Quinn
Shawn Judkins and Trayvon Hinters. We saw him the National Championship.
We saw a lot of Ohio State last year because
they're one the biggest programs.
Speaker 4 (33:54):
What did you think about them? What do you think
about those two guys? I thought they were really good players.
Trying to remember one is a little bit faster, that's
that's okay, that's Travion. One is more of a power back,
but but a power back with really good feet.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
That'ss So.
Speaker 4 (34:16):
I mean I think both guys, both guys have the
ability and it shows.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
You how good or how State was right.
Speaker 4 (34:23):
I mean, both guys have the ability I think to
be you know, above average, solid, maybe even really good
running backs in the league. You saw on the first
series of the third quarter in the National Championship game
against Notre Dame the long run. I think that. I
think that was Judkins. It was so good speed.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
For a back that size. But yeah, I think you
know both those guys.
Speaker 4 (34:54):
I mean I I don't think either one of those
guys is going to be a first round pick because
the depth of the running back spot. I think the
only two, at least based on what we hear, the
only two first round picks at running back would be
Ashton Genty and Omarion the kid from roth Colhahampton.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
Right.
Speaker 4 (35:11):
So, but a really deep I mean, you're gonna there
will be NFL teams that find starting running backs, guys
that eventually become a starter in this league. There's gonna
be teams that find those guys in rounds two, three,
maybe even four and beyond. This year because of the
depth of that talent.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
Ohio State had their own version of smash and dash.
She remember our old Panthers back in the day with
Johnson Stewart and Dangel Williams. Yeah, and then that's that's
why they won the championship. We can talk about will
Howard do we want to, But we know it was
the offensive line and those running backs that really won't
in the championship. But like Dave said, though, this This
draft is probably one of the deepest running backs drafts
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we've seen in a very.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
Long long time, a very long time.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
And so if it's not the top two guys that
we're talking about, do you spend the first round pick
on him, or do you go for your biggest Like
I guess for the Bromos that is one of the
biggest needs. It's running back. But you know, there's always
his stats and talks about how you shouldn't drivet running
backs in the first round. But do you go a
different position there and then try to pick up a
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running back later on or like for me, it's this
it's a tough situation because there is so much talent,
but you would hate to be kicking yourself if you
happen to pick the one guy just like the old
like when the Vikings picked Rager. Yah, yeah, you know,
like you know, like when in a receiver heavy draft.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
Yeah, the Eagles took him.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
Yeah, the Eagles took him, and then the Vikings took
and then chick Justin Jefferson. So it's the same situation here.
It's like, I don't want to be the one that
takes the wrong running back, especially as high as the
first round. But you know, he's a he's a he's
a great talent and I see him as he starting
running back in his league at some point. So you know,
it's it's a matter of where you know you value
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him and hopefully it's not off the board when it
comes when your pick comes up.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
Well, honestly, David, and you said that you didn't think
that you'd go in the first round. I wouldn't be
stunned at all if he went the first round. I
think he's that kind of running back. But if he
did bring up something that I want to No, Henderson,
I think Hittererson is that kind of town. Now, he's
got some injury stuff that I know that needs to
be checked out more than anything though, And this one
I want to ask you when we come back.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
Because of his size, five two pounds.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
Two hundred and two pounds, is that a guy that
you could really make into an RB one like That's
That's that's kind of my wonder there is if you're
drafting him that high, is that really the role for.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
Him to be a five time running back?
Speaker 3 (37:47):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (37:47):
No, I think it depends on the skill set. I mean,
how big is James Cook well, I'll look at about
two or five. Yeah, it's about right. So I think
it depends. James Cook is clearly a starting running back
and a great one in this league. So I think
it just depends on the skill set that each individual
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player has.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
All right, So we'll come back, we'll talk a little
bit more of that on gaweh
President, Ryan Edwards, Shelby Harris is study was Shelby, what
what how you doing? It's good to see you, man,
Good to see you too.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
It's a rare occasion to see you in like normal clothes.
Speaker 3 (00:11):
Man.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
I mean it just you just kind of roll in here.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
You're not head to toe in some kind of weird
Milwaukee gard.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
Was normal clothes. Mean, it's just he's.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Not wearing a jersey of a random team that nobody
rand nobody cares about here in Denver.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
You know that those kinds of you hear.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Mister flannel over here trying to tell me.
Speaker 4 (00:28):
About I'm just sitting back and joining. Oh god, yo,
go right ahead.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
I just I didn't know you own other clothes, that's all.
It's nice to say.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
You know. I wanted to be comfortable for today with
my guys.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
You know, yeah, I dig it. Sweatpants. Oh yeah, always
you go to bed all Bright collection.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Oh no, no, no, they lose.
Speaker 4 (00:46):
You got him?
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Oh they probably go down to your feet actually my
ankles of course.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Caprice.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Oh yeah, I didn't know men wear wore caprice. But
you know, good for them, they don't.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Has lost anything on this fastball. No, that's what I've
gotten a little tired. Man. You were on some rants yesterday. Bro,
that was that was awesome. No, I'm uh, I'm good.
You good? Yeah good. I had a couple calls this
morning from Boulder. I bet you did. I did, and.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
A it's like I said yesterday in the air, I'm
I'm the easiest guy in Denver to find.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Well, yes, but also there's a little bit of like,
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
I thought what you said yesterday was extremely fair and
represented a large group of CU fans and alumni, like,
you weren't saying anything out there that was for a sensationalist.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
You know, you weren't trying to just hate.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
I'm gonna throw a bunch of hot takes, and I
don't care who this lands are.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
I'm not that guy.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
You know that anybody's listening to me over the years,
I'm not that guy.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
And I felt I said.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
Yesterday I was going to keep in one hundred and
felt strongly about that.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
I don't feel any differently today.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
And I told one friend in Boulder that called, hey, man,
I spoke from the heart.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
I spoke what my truth is.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
And if I've offended or HaVeset people up there, They've
They've got my number, AD's got my number. They've all
got my number. So you know, I'm looking for a
Donnie Brook.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
But you know, if if one comes.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
If one comes, one comes, I I honestly I wouldn't
take one thing. I said back, and let me let
me ask, let me ask both you on this. I
was thinking about this today. If Dan Hawkins had retired
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Cody Hawkins Jersey after four years, we would have lost
our mind.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Now.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
I think Shoulder is a better player than Cody Hawkins,
so he's got that going for him. But Cody Hawkins
threw for more yards I believe at cu than Shoulder did.
The point of it is, and I don't you know,
we spend so much time on this yesterday that like
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my head nearly blew off. But the point of it is,
there has to be some sort of system that makes sense,
and whether or not this current Stafford administration wants to
include like former buffs that they may want to just
at least inquire like hey, what are you guys thinking,
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which I think would be the smart thing to do.
There has to be some sort of like how do
Joel come to this conclusion?
Speaker 3 (04:02):
Yeah, that's the big that's the that's the biggest thing
is how did you come to this conclusion that he
should be included in this prestigious group? And what records
does he have a see you?
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Well, it does have a lot of those, Like he
does have some records as he you like, it's as
far as completion percentage and touchdowns.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
I mean, he does have those things.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
So it's always that. So that's what I'm asking is,
so are we going to say if you have like
seasonal records that see you, you are eligible to have
your jersey retired?
Speaker 2 (04:36):
But you and I both know this is not a
precedent setting situation, and that's probably the frustration.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
I believe it totally is precedents. I think it kind
of is though, because it's it.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
How is this precedent setting?
Speaker 3 (04:49):
I think that the question is really of is he
only getting in because of his dad or did he
actually earn the the place of being like, no one's
questioning the tribes hundred thing because obviously he won the Heisman.
The issue is including Schuduran just based off of his
college play at CEU. I think you know, Dave has
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a point.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
I mean, how would you say what or why would
you say this is not precedent setting.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Because we'll never see this situation ever again. I mean,
you just said that it is precedent setting, right.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
What what I'm trying to say is that you won't
be able to follow this line of logic for the
next candidate.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Okay, Okay. That's the point I'm trying to make, is
like this line of logic or.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Any other candidate or the other candidate, this exists literally
in this specific paradigm with this coach and this quarterbacks.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Okay, well, then that that I mean, and I think
that's true. And so that.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
To a lot of CU former CEU players and maybe fans,
that's that's a bogus explanation, even though I think it's true.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Philippinsa isn't there yet, he's not, so you know, like that,
that's I guess where you're going to get some of
the vitrol from the fans is because there's former players
from former years that have been waiting through the due
process of you know, everything else to get to get
their rightful place of you know, the Ring of Fame,
hall of fame, you know, whatever it is. And it
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kind of it seems like certain people get to skip
the line, and it's like you're forgetting about the history,
the past people who are still waiting to get in.
And like I said, no one's questioning the Travis Hunter thing.
But then when you ask your door in there and
there's still guys like Philip lindsay that aren't I think,
you know, it's a valid you know argument, you know,
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and no matter what you decide, he's in, so like
it doesn't really matter. I guess what we all think.
But I think the the the backlash about it is
warranted though it's you know, you allowed to question it,
and I think that is a valid question of is
this really a place well, and especially like that he
hasn't gotten drafted yet, so automatic are we just going
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to give it to him right after they're done playing well?
Speaker 2 (07:03):
And again we talked about the time of yesterday and
how weird it was you announced it on a Monday
for a Saturday spring game. Right to do something so
prestigious for a Saturday spring game.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
It is naturally televised.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
I still contend that this is a recruiting thing, like
the design of this also ego, there's a lot of egos.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
It's a recruiting thing.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
You're kind of making a mockery of the Hall of
Fame because if you're just doing this for recruiting and
trying to be like, look what I do for you know,
my my players, my team, they're gonna make the all offen.
That's kind of making a mockery of what it kind
of stands for, because.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
You know, maybe we need amend how what it stands.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
For exactly then and then there's no problem. But also,
like it's supposed being in a hall of fame, being
in a schools Hall of Fame, it means you went
out there and you did something that mostly no one
else has really done over over your career. You know,
I think Joe Burrow might be the only one that
can go out there and really late claim that like
I did two years here, and I deserve to be
in a you know, the Ring of Fame for LSU
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because of what he did at LSU. You know, Colorado
hasn't They're on their way up, but they're not dead yet.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
I love your Cody Hawkins comp man. That's such a
I hadn't thought about that. Today's passing yards in Shador.
But but again, but if ony ever would.
Speaker 4 (08:18):
Consider listen, if Dan Hawkins. That's so good, though, said
after Cody's senior year. Uh huh, listen, we're going to
retire Cody Hawkins Jersey.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
I'm telling you, did he have more than thirteen wins?
Speaker 4 (08:35):
People's heads would would blow off their shoulders, and mine
would have been right with them.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Would you have said that right after he thinks pasta
Jay's there would have been before.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
Well that, you know, that was kind of a that
was kind of a misstep in a press conference, if
I recall. Yeah, I mean seriously, man, it's uh, here's
here's the bottom line. There's not a damn thing we
can do about it. They don't When I when I
said yesterday they don't care and Boulder, I wasn't referring
to anybody other than those involved in football right now,
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not basketball, not any other sport.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
But the reality of it is that they they don't care.
Speaker 4 (09:14):
Maybe they have to now in today's world sort of
insulate themselves, and I mean whatever, uh, but they do
not care what any of us think.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
That's pretty clear.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
And I think this is just gonna They're gonna have
their their spring game on Saturday, and they're gonna, you.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Know, retire both those jerseys.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
To me, you get a kid that wins the Heisman Trophy,
I'd want to retire it in front of a full
stadium of the biggest game that I could do it
next year and make a huge he won the Heisman Trophy.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Really, bro, So what do we? What do we? What
are we doing here Saturday at a spring game?
Speaker 3 (09:57):
But I believe if you look at were like, I
think he would have eventually made it. I think that
the controversy is just because it just he just finished playing.
Because if you look at, you know, a lot of
the stats of CU quarterbacks, he's really up there for
almost every single one of them. Like even if you
look in career like passing touchdowns, you know, in a
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single season in a career, like he's really like he is.
But I think it's just.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
That's because they threw the ball every I'm not again
not bashing should or but damn in today's game, they're
throwing the ball everything.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
They couldn't run it for media, Well, automatically we know that.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
We know that, like if you have the records, you're
going to make it to the Hall of Fame. No,
I no, I just think it's the timing and trying
to pair him with Travis when Travis did win the Heisman.
I think we're trying to compare them as college players.
But obviously, like whin the Heisman is such a prestigious
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deal in an award, Like yes, like automatically he will
you know he should have. You know that he should
have that immortality that at Colorado.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
I heard, I heard. I heard a friend at a
former with this give it away you know what whatever.
Friend and a former buff today say that Shadur is
a better quarterback than Darien Hagen.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
Now listen, listen.
Speaker 4 (11:23):
When I see this friend and he is a friend,
I mean, are you you must have lost your mind? Yeah,
he throws the ball better than Darien? Was he a
better He's not a better quarterback than Darien? Hey, Darry Hagen?
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To me, he and or Cordell Stewart the two best
quarterbacks to ever play at the University of Colorado?
Speaker 1 (11:52):
What are we? What are we talking about here? But
see again?
Speaker 4 (11:56):
And then I'm then I'm gonna shut the hell up
at least on this topic. And I'm like, listen, I
was talking to myself last night. I got home still
talking about this nonsense. But I mean here's the thing.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
It's it's it's it's not hate.
Speaker 4 (12:15):
When you have a different opinion on a decision of
this magnitude, it's it's not hate has nothing. And I
said yesterday has nothing to do with race. I mean,
some people want to turn every single thing into If
you criticize someone, well then it has to come from
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a place of hate, or it has to come from
a place of race. And there are those folks out there.
There are those folks. We should point them out on
a regular basis. That's not what this is. This comes
from a place from a former player's heart that looks
at what is transpired in the last week.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
And by the way, since coach Prime.
Speaker 4 (12:58):
Got here, I have said, how much as a former player,
I appreciate the job he's done. He's done it differently,
but that's okay. He still made see you relevant again
and I'm anxious to see what they do this year.
That said, I don't have to like every decision that
they make. And when I differ with a decision, then
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all of a sudden, it comes from a.
Speaker 1 (13:20):
Place of hate.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
Hate or a bitter o man or whatever all that
nonsense is. It just comes from a place like you know,
there was a history of SeeU football before you all
got to town two years ago, and you ought to
honor some of that before you just arbitrarily decide that
you're going to retire your son's jersey.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
That's all I agree. Also, if you look at dry Hagen,
he won a championship, like he won the big Game.
You cannot compare to that unless you win the game,
because that's that that period of Colorado. You know, everyone
around these parts, oh, like that was legendary Colorado football.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
It got him to back to back national championship games.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
But I just believe that. I obviously, you know, if
you're going to retire jersey, you're going to retire a
number or anything like that, it has to be a
one of one, like a guy that's the top of
you know, the best quarterback you've had.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
And so again Travis Hunter, Yes, Heisman Trophy. So we're
gonna unretire Wizard whites jersey. And again, not not to
you know, take too much time on this, but way, way, way,
way way back then led the country, and rushing led
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the country, and touchdowns went.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
To the NFL.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
Led the NFL, and rushing then went on to sit
on the Supreme Court for thirty years.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
But it's okay to unretire his jersey.
Speaker 4 (14:55):
It's okay to unretire Bobby Anderson who played in the
late sixties. It was a tremendous player. We can unretire
his jersey, right. We can unretire Joe Romig who played
in the early sixties, was a great, great player, was
a Rhodes scholar. It's okay to unretire their jerseys. But
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we're gonna retire Chadure after two years. Sorry, And again,
just for any of you knit wits out there that
didn't hear me yesterday, this is nothing personal towards Shadoor
as a kid. I hope he plays great in the NFL.
I hope he goes to a really good spot for him,
and I think he I do think he's a hell
of a good player. So it's not anything personal about him.
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And I'm quite certain I said yesterday he didn't go.
It wasn't his idea to go in and say, hey, dad,
what do you think about retiring. I'm pretty sure that
didn't happen. So it's the adults involved in this that
I take issue with.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
You know, is this not doing the I wouldn't say
the right way, but I'm saying respectfully of the people
that laid the ground work before you came. You know.
I think the issue is that there's so many former
players that, like I said, I've always been I will
hype up to lib Lindsay every chance I get because
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one of my favorite teammates and one of my favorite
running backs I've ever played with, and his number is
not retired, you know what I mean. And he was
at CU when they really weren't even good, and he
was the team, like he was their.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
Team, no doubt, man, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
So in that aspect, it's like you're skipping the line.
But we've seen you know, we've seen this all over life,
you know what I mean. People get to skipped the
line all the line. Nepotism is all over the all
of the world, and you know it's only certain incidents
where we're against it. But I just think that you
just can't skip over some of the former players that
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deserve their time to well.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
I'm just excited about in a couple of years when
Julian Lewis is going to be up for you know,
being in the Ring of Faming.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
There up and see you. That's gonna be really fun.
But then again, he's not related to I'll tell.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
You what I'm excited for. I'm excited at some point
because this happened to Byron Wizard White, happened to Joe
rom it happened to Bobby Anderson. At some point, somebody's
gonna have to unretire Chadur's number. Evidently that's that's okay
to do because they've done it to three of the
previous four numbers that have been retired. And and it
wasn't just Prime that did this, right, Mel Tucker did that.
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Carl Durell, who followed I think Midnight Mel. He then
re retired the numbers, and now the numbers.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
Have been unrich.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
Yeah, and well, you know, I think in a day
and age in il like we're in il age, and
some of these kids are gonna be like, I want
that number, and these teams are going and these college
is going to go and give it to them. And
it's completely disrespectful to the players of the past if
they earn that right to be have their number retired,
leave it retired.
Speaker 4 (18:09):
I just say, hey, you know what, you drive your
little ass, take your little Lamborghini and go right down.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
To wherever you're going to go.
Speaker 4 (18:15):
If if that's gonna make the difference, if you can't
have this number, well then you know what we'll miss you.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
Like high school kids demanding numbers, I think that. I
think I think they are, like, no, I'm just saying
like that. That's that's where we're at right now. I
think they are, like it's it's literally like you're you're
coming like we have high school kids and depending on
where you recruited, coming in acting like they're Tom Brady. Yeah,
coming in, act like they're in round. I'm not necessarily
talking about uarterbacks. I'm talking about in general of like you,
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the man that respect as already of a of an
All pro, a Hall of Fame quarterback, and you haven't
thrown a single damn pass in college, you know what
I mean. And so it's just a once again it's
like n I O has and I always I'm gonna
always say this, n IO has made these kids act
like pros in college and happen. And that's why you're
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going to see a lot of these kids struggle if
they do make it to the league, because the league
doesn't care they don't care at all about you're looking
at Pima don and stuff. If you're not gonna go
out there and perform, you're out of there. If you're
more worried about your brand and all that crap, and
you get to the league, which I've seen, I see
teammates that come in Richie here have a you know,
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have a logo, Well you have even you haven't even
played one step in NFL. And that's what for me,
that's what you need to be worried about it first.
Worry about making an impact on the field first, before
you actually sit here and try to talk about your
name and your logo and all this other stuff. And
I think it trickles down to college.
Speaker 4 (19:42):
So what happens? Serious question? They just thought of this too.
What happens if the don't even know who this would
be greatest quarterback coming out of high school this fall,
coming out of high school, getting ready would be in
college this fall, wants to come to the University of Colorado.
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But damn, I mean, I've worn number two since I
was in third grade. Coach, I mean, I'm I'm ready
to ready to sign, but I got to have number two.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
What happens then?
Speaker 2 (20:16):
I would imagine for prime who was related to the
person that has number two retired, that might be a
little bit of wiggle room because he goes name up
there like that.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
And then again, you think he.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
Would unretire his son's jersey after it just got retired.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Do you think he's gonna turn down to recruit the
best I'm asking, arguably the best recruit in the country.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
Yeah, the best quarterback in the country. No, I don't.
So you think he'd unretire? Should do as Jersey thunk.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
One hundred kids on your roster as it is anyways,
there's only so many numbers.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
What's the point of retiring then if you're not, if
you're automatically being like, all right, we're going on retire
the whole time. What I'm thinking is when you retire
a number, oh you retired, like nobody ever will get
that again. That's the respect when my high when my
high school football coach told me, as long as you
know he's the coach, and as long as nobody will
ever wear I wore eighty nine in high school and
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nobody will ever wear eighty nine again. But then if
I come back in two years and somebody's wearing eighty nine.
That's not retiring my number. That's just putting it on
the shelf for a couple of years.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
They laid it out. We have press that is precedent.
We have president here at the university.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
There was that bank robbery. We don't talk about that enough.
That's just you.
Speaker 4 (21:38):
Know, sometimes that does get your jersey unretired.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Sometimes sometimes.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
So speaking of all the nil stuff, we have some
breaking news here on nico Ia Maliava.
Speaker 4 (21:50):
Nicely done, Colorado, Ryan, Yeah, nicely done.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Practice in the mirror all morning. So we have the
breaking news on him. We'll get to that coming up
here a little bit. I guess some more stuff on
Travis Hunter that I want to ask you about as well.
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Speaker 1 (22:26):
So we do some breaking news here.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Nico im Liava, the former Tennessee quarterback who held out,
is scheduled to make two point two million in nil money,
held out Josh Hipel.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
The head coach.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
He decided to just out and out release their quarterback.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
And it was funny today.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
Earlier today, there's a big discussion point on how maybe
college football is just not as strong on this guy
as he thought his mark would because he was looking
for four million reportedly. Now there's some layers to this.
Moments ago found out per Colin Coward of all people,
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that he's going to UCLA. So he's being he's transferring
to ucl Yeah, it's good. Good to be forgot. And
his family is saying it's not about the money. It
was never about the money. It was just about his
role in the offense and so on and so forth.
But it's a fascinating thing, right because Tennessee said, Okay,
we're just we're not gonna get there. You know, you're
a quarterback. We understand that we're just not gonna get there.
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And then you thought for a moment, maybe maybe in
the Anile era, maybe the rest of college football was like,
we're not gonna We're not gonna meet this demand.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
Four million is a lot.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
In fact, there were reports earlier today from Pete Tamel
that he might not only he might get less than
he was getting a Tennessee's.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
It was a wild situation.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
But in the end, I guess if he's gonna sign whatever,
we don't know the money he's gonna get with UCLA
he signed with similar money. I guess it all kind
of works out. One thing you brought up, though, that
I wanted to come back to Shelby was about the
he was getting, because that's the thing that keeps coming
back for him. His dad, the people in his camp,
they were telling him he should be holding out for more.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
And that's tough. This Nil era, You're going to have
a lot of bad advice. You're going to have people
telling people, oh, why way, why two and a half?
Why not fours? And always tell people you know, the
minute you start pocket watching is the minute you're screwed.
The minute you try to sit there and compare, you
know what other people have and say, well I deserve that,
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you're screwed. What did Jay Cole say? Love yours, be
happy with what you have and then focus on being
a better quarterback. The issue I think I feel like
with Nils, everyone's worried about everything but football football is
on the back burner about everything when it comes to ils,
there's all about the money, money, money, and it's it's
actually astronomical. It's hilarious to me that Tennessee screws themselves.
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I released him, and I think this.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
Is where they screw themselves. What else?
Speaker 3 (24:58):
Who else they have? They have two other quarterbacks that
haven't played. You were just in a college football playoffs.
You just screwed yourself.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
But like.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
We're to age right now where and I has no rules,
So I'm not surprised by any of this. There's no
This is the wild, wild West right now, and so
I'm not surprised by people trying to hold out, like
you know, trying to demand more money after you already
signed a contract. Like I'm not surprised because everything we're
seeing right now.
Speaker 4 (25:28):
For the first time, I would say that Tennessee will
be just fine, and I would bet they will have
a really good quarterback when fall practice starts in Knoxville.
I think Josh Heipel, the head coach, had no no
way out, and I think the young quarterback forced his hand.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
I mean, when you want to have.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
Your deal that you agree to renegotiated, making two point
three million in college in college, and the answer you
get from Tennessee, which is paying you, is we're not
going to be able to do that. And then you
decide not to show up for practice and you don't
show up for the spring game.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
Brother, you got to go.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
That's the biggest issue, not showing the practice, not showing up.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
Yeah, yeah, that's the issue. You got to have.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
What it is this you're not the pro You're just
not the pros. This is not well, you can't hold
out from like this is this is not you can't
just stop show up the camp, you know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (26:33):
Like, this is not assuredly he is not going to
get two point four million dollars to play at UC
think so because now I mean the market, it's like
any of Now we're talking strictly from a business decision.
All right, you walked away from two point four your markets.
I mean you've already had Georgia say no. See you
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said no. There's other schools that have said no. Now
your market is tu Lane in U c l A.
Why It's like, why would U c l A offer
more than Tennessee was pain? Why bid against yourself? Yeah
you're not wrong, but you said it's.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Anthing interesting though, that you said that you think Tennessee
screwed themselves. I just don't think they're should they have
gone before?
Speaker 3 (27:18):
No, I just I just think they I'm just kidding. No,
I'm not. I'm not saying that. I'm just saying, just
let them enter the transferportal. Then Paulus bluff. No, they
did what I'm saying. But like, I know, I get it,
but just saying like, all right, like we don't have it.
If you want to go in transporportal going to transport,
don't be like we're going to force you to transferportal.
Speaker 4 (27:41):
I think you got to send a message to your team.
I mean, I really really do. Even in the end
the day in era and it's different now within I
L I get it. Coaches hands are tied and you know,
players can walk, and if they don't, you know, you
coach them hard and they get butt hurt and they
want to go to the portal. They so something has
to be figured out. But I think in this case,
you're starting quarterback. I mean, you don't think that the
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rest of the Tennessee team is looking at this to
see like I wonder how coach hypel's gonna handle this.
Here's how I'm going to handle it. You're not playing
for us. Moving forward, We'll find somebody wants to play
in Tennessee.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
But it's not even just Tennessee. It's like the ice
of the world.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Like this was very public, right we found out he
was holding out, and so you're thinking about all the
other colleges, not only the SEC, but the Big ten,
the Mige twelve.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
You're again you said it's the wild West.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
We don't really have a path paved for us on
what this is all going to look like. On the
other side, we know eventually there will be a correction
to the market.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
We just don't know what it looks like.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
But in the moment there, if Tennessee did say, you
know what, golly, we don't want it to start over
a quarterback, okay, four million whatever, who says this not's.
Speaker 1 (28:48):
You've been get ready to go to the bank about
thirty times? Yes, fall right.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
I think it says it reminds me of when the
Ravens and it's completely different, complete different situation, but the
reaction to it when the Ravens uh uh did the
restricted franchise tag or whatever? On the restrictive, restrictive tag
on Lamar Jackson, and all these teams instantly came out
and said, we don't want them. We don't want them.
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All teams that needed a quarterback. I remember the Falcons,
they wanted to give up to first turn, you know,
you know, But then now these teams that need a
quarterback in college, it's like the same thing. We don't
want them. So is it a collective of like, well,
you know, kind of get him like a collective get
him out of there? Is if there are things behind
the scenes that we don't know. No, I would I
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would the money for see you in Oregon.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
If he was willing to walk away in that fashion
from Tennessee. As Shelby said, Tennessee was a was a
playoff team last year and he was unhappy at two
point four. Why would you think if you're another school,
all right, we could, we could give him three. What
stops you from doing exactly the same thing to us,
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holding us basically hostage. I'm a good player. We agreed
to three, but I want four point two. I mean
sooner or later. I mean, especially coaches in college, they're
tired of dealing with this. And even though that kid's
are really I mean, he's a good player. I mean,
I've seen film. He can run, he's tall, he's got
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a good arm. But sooner or later, you got to
take a stand on principal alone. So you can stand
in front of the rest of your team and say, hey,
we're just not going to operate that way, and we'll
find somebody who wants to play at Tennessee, wants to
be your guys's teammates, and I promise you that player
will be good and we're gonna go compete like hell
in the fall.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
In that same instance, though, coaches leave over more money too,
and I think, and this is where the argument kind
of just gets sloppy, is because you have coaches be like,
we're tired of that, you don't tie that stuff. But
then you'll do it if you feel like you've been Hey,
I want more money and they don't give to you.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
Becaus right, I'm out. But there's there's a penalty though
for it.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
Yeah, but then the coaches don't pay it. But that's
what I'm saying that it's no there's the coaches when
they want to do it, and so the players are
doing the same thing, and so it's just a matter
of you know, what is going to be okay, Because
if if a coach can just get up and leave
and then you know, and right before you you're preparing
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for bold season and just dip out on you, then
how can you sit there and demand a player have
more loyalty to a school than you do. It's to see,
I don't think this is It's not like during the
season day, you know what I mean, Like, this isn't
all this is the off season. I'll get it into
spring ball, but it's not a during the scene. The
coaches leave their team during that's fine the scene, you
know what. The coach leaves and they have to move
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on and have somebody else come in and coach. So
the player leaves and they got to find a quarterback
to come in and play quarterback at Tennessee. Yeah, well,
I'm just talking about you said a couple people had
to make a stand, had to take a stand for
the rest of his team.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
Yeah, but.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
If Alabama comes calling him, or if another job comes
calling him offers him more money, where's that stand for
the team at then? Because it's it's you know, it's all,
it's a market. It's a frequent and so obviously the
issue is he played his hand wrong.
Speaker 4 (32:18):
The stand would be the ad if that happened, would
get rid of the coach and go find another coach.
Speaker 3 (32:25):
Yeah, just it's it's a tough situation. But obviously what.
Speaker 4 (32:29):
It is I see played his hand wrong, fall you
fall in love, and his dad's his agent. Evidently two
point four million dollars is not as much money as
I thought it was, right because now you you wanted
four million, Okay, we all want that kind of raise,
but now you right now you have.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
Zero, which is a lot. But that's what he was asking,
I know.
Speaker 3 (32:51):
But like it had to be somebody that got four
million for him to just pull that number.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
Carson Beck got a massive pay raise going to Miami.
I can't see that either, But I'm not allowed to
you I would be asking for.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
Because I don't look at Carson Beck as necessarily like
a quarterbacks are.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
I understand it's okay to ask.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
Yeah, but like that, Yeah, it's okay to ask.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
But but you know what, we're shaking hands and good luck.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Yeah, targets for the Broncos coming up. We are about
a week and a day away from the draft day
to day the Broncos hosted Trayvon Henderson, talented running back
out of Ohio State, is the final This is like
the final day that they can host anybody. I believe it.
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A week out is like the deadlineline to bring anybody
in for your top thirty visits. When you when you
look at those two running backs just for fun, Quinn
Shawn Judkins and Trayvon Hinters. We saw him the National Championship.
We saw a lot of Ohio State last year because
they're one the biggest programs.
Speaker 4 (33:54):
What did you think about them? What do you think
about those two guys? I thought they were really good players.
Trying to remember one is a little bit faster, that's
that's okay, that's Travion. One is more of a power back,
but but a power back with really good feet.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
That'ss So.
Speaker 4 (34:16):
I mean I think both guys, both guys have the
ability and it shows.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
You how good or how State was right.
Speaker 4 (34:23):
I mean, both guys have the ability I think to
be you know, above average, solid, maybe even really good
running backs in the league. You saw on the first
series of the third quarter in the National Championship game
against Notre Dame the long run. I think that. I
think that was Judkins. It was so good speed.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
For a back that size. But yeah, I think you
know both those guys.
Speaker 4 (34:54):
I mean I I don't think either one of those
guys is going to be a first round pick because
the depth of the running back spot. I think the
only two, at least based on what we hear, the
only two first round picks at running back would be
Ashton Genty and Omarion the kid from roth Colhahampton.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
Right.
Speaker 4 (35:11):
So, but a really deep I mean, you're gonna there
will be NFL teams that find starting running backs, guys
that eventually become a starter in this league. There's gonna
be teams that find those guys in rounds two, three,
maybe even four and beyond. This year because of the
depth of that talent.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
Ohio State had their own version of smash and dash.
She remember our old Panthers back in the day with
Johnson Stewart and Dangel Williams. Yeah, and then that's that's
why they won the championship. We can talk about will
Howard do we want to, But we know it was
the offensive line and those running backs that really won't
in the championship. But like Dave said, though, this This
draft is probably one of the deepest running backs drafts
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we've seen in a very.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
Long long time, a very long time.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
And so if it's not the top two guys that
we're talking about, do you spend the first round pick
on him, or do you go for your biggest Like
I guess for the Bromos that is one of the
biggest needs. It's running back. But you know, there's always
his stats and talks about how you shouldn't drivet running
backs in the first round. But do you go a
different position there and then try to pick up a
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running back later on or like for me, it's this
it's a tough situation because there is so much talent,
but you would hate to be kicking yourself if you
happen to pick the one guy just like the old
like when the Vikings picked Rager. Yah, yeah, you know,
like you know, like when in a receiver heavy draft.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
Yeah, the Eagles took him.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
Yeah, the Eagles took him, and then the Vikings took
and then chick Justin Jefferson. So it's the same situation here.
It's like, I don't want to be the one that
takes the wrong running back, especially as high as the
first round. But you know, he's a he's a he's
a great talent and I see him as he starting
running back in his league at some point. So you know,
it's it's a matter of where you know you value
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him and hopefully it's not off the board when it
comes when your pick comes up.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
Well, honestly, David, and you said that you didn't think
that you'd go in the first round. I wouldn't be
stunned at all if he went the first round. I
think he's that kind of running back. But if he
did bring up something that I want to No, Henderson,
I think Hittererson is that kind of town. Now, he's
got some injury stuff that I know that needs to
be checked out more than anything though, And this one
I want to ask you when we come back.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
Because of his size, five two pounds.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
Two hundred and two pounds, is that a guy that
you could really make into an RB one like That's
That's that's kind of my wonder there is if you're
drafting him that high, is that really the role for.
Speaker 1 (37:45):
Him to be a five time running back?
Speaker 3 (37:47):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (37:47):
No, I think it depends on the skill set. I mean,
how big is James Cook well, I'll look at about
two or five. Yeah, it's about right. So I think
it depends. James Cook is clearly a starting running back
and a great one in this league. So I think
it just depends on the skill set that each individual
(38:07):
player has.
Speaker 1 (38:08):
All right, So we'll come back, we'll talk a little
bit more of that on gaweh
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