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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:10):
Good after noon, Ian, thank you so much for the time.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
Man.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
How are you?
Speaker 4 (00:13):
I'm good man, how are you?
Speaker 5 (00:15):
We're We're doing good, Ian, always great to talk with you.
And uh, we just we've got the news. Probably I
don't know, twenty thirty minutes ago, but the Ravens released
the releasing justin Tucker.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
No, I guess.
Speaker 5 (00:29):
I guess I would say no surprise there, or was
there a surprise at all for you?
Speaker 4 (00:35):
I would say not much of a surprise, but still
consequential and significant. Like once once a team the way
it kind of works, once the team drafts the kicker
in the sixth or seventh.
Speaker 6 (00:44):
Round or any round. Once the team drafts a kicker, usually.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
That means that whatever veteran on the roster, if there
even is a veteran on the roster, that that guy
is probably not going to be kicking for that team.
So once Tyler Luke got drafted by the Baltimore Ravens
and the sixth it was kind of like, maybe the
tenure of Justin Tucker really is ending. But you know,
one of the greatest kickers of a generation, one of
(01:09):
the greatest ravens ever, multi year pro bowler, All Pro,
owner of the longest kick in NFL history, one of
the biggest clutch performers we've ever seen, all those things,
and you add that together, Add that together with all
of the off the field stuff, which is, you know,
being accused of an appropriate behavior by sixteen Baltimore area
(01:30):
missage therapist, behavior that is sexual in nature, behavior that
he has denied. It is. It is a lot, and
it all leads to him being released, and you really
do wonder is this the last time we ever see
Justin Tucker in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
Yeah, that was going to be my follow up question.
And you know, what do you think that market looks
like for him? Because when you get released, you know,
other teams get a crack at you. And I'm sure
that there are some teams in need of kicking help
for the twenty twenty five season.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
Yeah, but he is clear, he is currently under investigation
by the NFL for these inappropriate acts. And if you
do this, first of all, you got to be it's
got to be worth it. You got to be willing
to take to be our hit. You got to be
willing to support someone who is involved in, you know,
these really significant situations, accused of not good things by
(02:22):
a lot of people, a fully vetted report in Baltimore,
and you know, you've got to be willing to deal
with all that and know that you're getting a performance
on the field that's worth it. He's coming off the
season where he struggled by his standards, and so you know,
my sense is that while this investigation is going on,
(02:43):
you know, I don't think anyone's gonna sign him, And
even if it gets wrapped up, I'm not sure anyone
signs the mend either.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Chack with ian a rap report, I want to get
your take on its kind of in a big discussion
today on Twitter about Abdul Carter requesting the number of
Lawrence Taylor, and then I guess Phil also was been
part of this conversation, but his family eventually talked him
out of it. So what's your take in general, because
this isn't the first time we've had rookie players coming
into the league asking for retired numbers.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
No, but I mean I would say it actually, I mean,
it doesn't happen that often, and usually what it does
is with the blessing of the player, or you know,
maybe a player kind of comes out there and says it.
When it's a rookie who is very talented, yes, but
hasn't done actually anything yet except for get drafting really highly.
You know, if he's going around asking for numbers of
(03:34):
you know, some great retired members of the organization, I
wonder if that sits very well with the organization or
with some of these greats. Right Like, if you're Lawrence Taylor,
you spent.
Speaker 6 (03:44):
Your whole life building your legacy.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
And you know this. Soone who comes in says maybe
I like your number, It's like, well, you haven't actually
done anything yet. I think same thing with Phil Simms,
you know, And really, you know, these numbers are sort
of they're sort of for your family and the people
who support you and recognize you as one of the greats.
(04:07):
You know, I don't I don't know that's fair to
them either. So you know, I think I do. A
card is going to be to find his own legacy,
and it's probably the right decision.
Speaker 5 (04:14):
So Ian last question for me is as the league
continues to maybe the word expand is not right, but
look at opportunities outside the US playing a number of
games this upcoming season.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
And I remember talking to you.
Speaker 5 (04:31):
It was it was back last year about the possibility
of London maybe be in the first city that would
actually have an NFL franchise located there. What what are
you hearing and is there a timeline on any of
the possibilities of maybe a team outside this country being
housed in another place.
Speaker 4 (04:53):
You know, I think it's something that everybody would like
to happen. I just don't know how logistically possible it is.
I mean, maybe maybe get the situation where the airfare,
you know, the airlines are fast enough where you could
make it work travel wise, and that would help. You
probably have to have an outpost somewhere Atlanta and New York,
somewhere on the coast where you could work out players.
(05:15):
Maybe you could do it virtually. I don't know if
that makes sense. How would you pay them, how would
you square the money if it's different currency? And then
would there be a tax on if you live in London?
Isn't more expensive? You know, It's like there's just a
lot of issues, and I don't know if any of
those issues would be worth it to try to solve.
Maybe it would if the game is global enough. But
(05:37):
you know, I think the NFL has wanted a season
full of games in Europe and overseas, and they're getting
it now. It's just different teams playing it. So that's
a pretty good place to be for the league. We'll
see if it changes or increases or anything like that,
but you know, I'd say to me, the probably the
(05:58):
good enough place now will stay where it is for
the time being.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
And we all watch the Super Bowl every single year
with your time comer in the NFL, I know, you
know it's a copycat league. What we saw Big Fangio's
defense do against Patrick Mahomes is that the new way
to beat Patrick Mahomes where you're just rushing for and
being able to drop seven. And how many teams do
(06:23):
you anticipate trying to implement that this year to get
over you know, a talented Kansas City team that seems
like every year or is in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
Yeah, I mean, I think it's a great question. We
actually saw a similar thing with you know, the Giants
and to beat the Patriots in the Super Bowl a
couple of times. It's like, you know, you get straight
in and talk.
Speaker 6 (06:43):
And OC and you let them loose and you go.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
After Tom Brady and sort of like, isn't this the method?
I think it is the method. Just do have those guys.
That's the problem is like the Eagles are so stacked
up front, you know, defensive tackles push the pockets so much.
Speaker 6 (06:58):
Edges are certainly good, and.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
U you know, can you do it with four? And
I think teams would love to. I just don't know
if they can. And you know, I mean we'll see.
I mean I think, you know, defensive tackles who can
rush from the interior a kind of a new currency
chief deal with Chris Joon the same thing. But we'll
see how many teams can effect that we do it
(07:21):
enough to limit you know, the best quarterback in the
game today.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Well that's what I have for you, Ian, And this
is more just to check in. I think we've been
asking you pretty relatively. It's not about Aaron Rodgers to promise.
This is about Nick Chubb and about JK.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Dobbins.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Do you think that this is something that they signed
maybe early here in the offseason or do you think
these are the kind of players that are going to
maybe wait as we get closer to training camp.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
Yeah, I mean, you know, the longer you wait, the
more likely it is they wait because they haven't signed yet.
There's no reason to sign now, you know, like if
you're the money isn't going up. And sometimes, you know,
you sign the beginning of training camp. During training camp,
maybe a team to the rookie, you expect him to
contribute and goes, Okay, that's not gonna happen and says
we need a veteran. So there are reasons why the
(08:06):
money would increase. But you got to see some more
football first, you know, I think that's that's part of
the problem. You got to see some more football. So
I'm I think, you know, the job as I talks
with the Browns, I could see that accelerating. I just
don't know when. And I you know, I know they
drafted two running backs, but I wouldn't rule out.
Speaker 6 (08:28):
Chub returning there.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
And then you know, I think for Dobbins, you know,
he's Chubb's months older. Dobbins is not that old and
it has been productive when he's been healthy. So the
team also the Chargers put the the UFA tender on him,
which means, you know, he still counts in their compensatory
pick formula, and if they retain him, it's for like
two million dollars, a really low salary. So I say
(08:51):
that increases the rights of them retaining him, but more
likely he signed somewhere else. Just don't know where that
market is have developed just yet.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Appreciate the time, my friend, and thank you.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
Okay, thank you.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:10):
Good after noon, Ian, thank you so much for the time.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
Man.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
How are you?
Speaker 4 (00:13):
I'm good man, how are you?
Speaker 5 (00:15):
We're We're doing good, Ian, always great to talk with you.
And uh, we just we've got the news. Probably I
don't know, twenty thirty minutes ago, but the Ravens released
the releasing justin Tucker.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
No, I guess.
Speaker 5 (00:29):
I guess I would say no surprise there, or was
there a surprise at all for you?
Speaker 4 (00:35):
I would say not much of a surprise, but still
consequential and significant. Like once once a team the way
it kind of works, once the team drafts the kicker
in the sixth or seventh.
Speaker 6 (00:44):
Round or any round. Once the team drafts a kicker, usually.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
That means that whatever veteran on the roster, if there
even is a veteran on the roster, that that guy
is probably not going to be kicking for that team.
So once Tyler Luke got drafted by the Baltimore Ravens
and the sixth it was kind of like, maybe the
tenure of Justin Tucker really is ending. But you know,
one of the greatest kickers of a generation, one of
(01:09):
the greatest ravens ever, multi year pro bowler, All Pro,
owner of the longest kick in NFL history, one of
the biggest clutch performers we've ever seen, all those things,
and you add that together, Add that together with all
of the off the field stuff, which is, you know,
being accused of an appropriate behavior by sixteen Baltimore area
(01:30):
missage therapist, behavior that is sexual in nature, behavior that
he has denied. It is. It is a lot, and
it all leads to him being released, and you really
do wonder is this the last time we ever see
Justin Tucker in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
Yeah, that was going to be my follow up question.
And you know, what do you think that market looks
like for him? Because when you get released, you know,
other teams get a crack at you. And I'm sure
that there are some teams in need of kicking help
for the twenty twenty five season.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
Yeah, but he is clear, he is currently under investigation
by the NFL for these inappropriate acts. And if you
do this, first of all, you got to be it's
got to be worth it. You got to be willing
to take to be our hit. You got to be
willing to support someone who is involved in, you know,
these really significant situations, accused of not good things by
(02:22):
a lot of people, a fully vetted report in Baltimore,
and you know, you've got to be willing to deal
with all that and know that you're getting a performance
on the field that's worth it. He's coming off the
season where he struggled by his standards, and so you know,
my sense is that while this investigation is going on,
(02:43):
you know, I don't think anyone's gonna sign him, And
even if it gets wrapped up, I'm not sure anyone
signs the mend either.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Chack with ian a rap report, I want to get
your take on its kind of in a big discussion
today on Twitter about Abdul Carter requesting the number of
Lawrence Taylor, and then I guess Phil also was been
part of this conversation, but his family eventually talked him
out of it. So what's your take in general, because
this isn't the first time we've had rookie players coming
into the league asking for retired numbers.
Speaker 4 (03:12):
No, but I mean I would say it actually, I mean,
it doesn't happen that often, and usually what it does
is with the blessing of the player, or you know,
maybe a player kind of comes out there and says it.
When it's a rookie who is very talented, yes, but
hasn't done actually anything yet except for get drafting really highly.
You know, if he's going around asking for numbers of
(03:34):
you know, some great retired members of the organization, I
wonder if that sits very well with the organization or
with some of these greats. Right Like, if you're Lawrence Taylor,
you spent.
Speaker 6 (03:44):
Your whole life building your legacy.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
And you know this. Soone who comes in says maybe
I like your number, It's like, well, you haven't actually
done anything yet. I think same thing with Phil Simms,
you know, And really, you know, these numbers are sort
of they're sort of for your family and the people
who support you and recognize you as one of the greats.
(04:07):
You know, I don't I don't know that's fair to
them either. So you know, I think I do. A
card is going to be to find his own legacy,
and it's probably the right decision.
Speaker 5 (04:14):
So Ian last question for me is as the league
continues to maybe the word expand is not right, but
look at opportunities outside the US playing a number of
games this upcoming season.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
And I remember talking to you.
Speaker 5 (04:31):
It was it was back last year about the possibility
of London maybe be in the first city that would
actually have an NFL franchise located there. What what are
you hearing and is there a timeline on any of
the possibilities of maybe a team outside this country being
housed in another place.
Speaker 4 (04:53):
You know, I think it's something that everybody would like
to happen. I just don't know how logistically possible it is.
I mean, maybe maybe get the situation where the airfare,
you know, the airlines are fast enough where you could
make it work travel wise, and that would help. You
probably have to have an outpost somewhere Atlanta and New York,
somewhere on the coast where you could work out players.
(05:15):
Maybe you could do it virtually. I don't know if
that makes sense. How would you pay them, how would
you square the money if it's different currency? And then
would there be a tax on if you live in London?
Isn't more expensive? You know, It's like there's just a
lot of issues, and I don't know if any of
those issues would be worth it to try to solve.
Maybe it would if the game is global enough. But
(05:37):
you know, I think the NFL has wanted a season
full of games in Europe and overseas, and they're getting
it now. It's just different teams playing it. So that's
a pretty good place to be for the league. We'll
see if it changes or increases or anything like that,
but you know, I'd say to me, the probably the
(05:58):
good enough place now will stay where it is for
the time being.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
And we all watch the Super Bowl every single year
with your time comer in the NFL, I know, you
know it's a copycat league. What we saw Big Fangio's
defense do against Patrick Mahomes is that the new way
to beat Patrick Mahomes where you're just rushing for and
being able to drop seven. And how many teams do
(06:23):
you anticipate trying to implement that this year to get
over you know, a talented Kansas City team that seems
like every year or is in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
Yeah, I mean, I think it's a great question. We
actually saw a similar thing with you know, the Giants
and to beat the Patriots in the Super Bowl a
couple of times. It's like, you know, you get straight
in and talk.
Speaker 6 (06:43):
And OC and you let them loose and you go.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
After Tom Brady and sort of like, isn't this the method?
I think it is the method. Just do have those guys.
That's the problem is like the Eagles are so stacked
up front, you know, defensive tackles push the pockets so much.
Speaker 6 (06:58):
Edges are certainly good, and.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
U you know, can you do it with four? And
I think teams would love to. I just don't know
if they can. And you know, I mean we'll see.
I mean I think, you know, defensive tackles who can
rush from the interior a kind of a new currency
chief deal with Chris Joon the same thing. But we'll
see how many teams can effect that we do it
(07:21):
enough to limit you know, the best quarterback in the
game today.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Well that's what I have for you, Ian, And this
is more just to check in. I think we've been
asking you pretty relatively. It's not about Aaron Rodgers to promise.
This is about Nick Chubb and about JK.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Dobbins.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Do you think that this is something that they signed
maybe early here in the offseason or do you think
these are the kind of players that are going to
maybe wait as we get closer to training camp.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
Yeah, I mean, you know, the longer you wait, the
more likely it is they wait because they haven't signed yet.
There's no reason to sign now, you know, like if
you're the money isn't going up. And sometimes, you know,
you sign the beginning of training camp. During training camp,
maybe a team to the rookie, you expect him to
contribute and goes, Okay, that's not gonna happen and says
we need a veteran. So there are reasons why the
(08:06):
money would increase. But you got to see some more
football first, you know, I think that's that's part of
the problem. You got to see some more football. So
I'm I think, you know, the job as I talks
with the Browns, I could see that accelerating. I just
don't know when. And I you know, I know they
drafted two running backs, but I wouldn't rule out.
Speaker 6 (08:28):
Chub returning there.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
And then you know, I think for Dobbins, you know,
he's Chubb's months older. Dobbins is not that old and
it has been productive when he's been healthy. So the
team also the Chargers put the the UFA tender on him,
which means, you know, he still counts in their compensatory
pick formula, and if they retain him, it's for like
two million dollars, a really low salary. So I say
(08:51):
that increases the rights of them retaining him, but more
likely he signed somewhere else. Just don't know where that
market is have developed just yet.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Appreciate the time, my friend, and thank you.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
Okay, thank you.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
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