05-06-25 KOA Sports Hour 1 with Shelby Harris

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Seven seconds left Westbrook. Five seconds they're talking about one.
Gordon got it.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
Aaron Jordan with a dig shock Williams three quarter. No, God,
the Nuggets steal game one. That's a winner for Aaron
Gordon won twenty one till one nineteen.

Speaker 1 (00:21):
What game that was?

Speaker 3 (00:26):
That was something now percy of TNT Aaron Gordon once
again being the hero for the Nuggets. That is two
games now that he has helped him get to a win,
one against the Clippers and of course this game last
night against the Oklahoma City Thunder. In a lot of ways,
they had really no business winning that game, but they did.
They found a way to win, and now they are
one to zero in the best of seven. Welcome to

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the show, Dave, Logan, Ryan and were Shelby Harris in
studio Shelby High.

Speaker 1 (00:52):
Good to see you.

Speaker 4 (00:53):
Good to see you, guys, except for this awfully ugly
day outside.

Speaker 1 (00:58):
Is Cleveland day? It's up there.

Speaker 4 (01:00):
I swear to you a Cleveland Seattle day. Yeah I
say it like that, but there's definitely is that Cleveland
in August or October or September or February.

Speaker 1 (01:11):
Yeah, any time one. Dave, my friend, get you guys too.

Speaker 3 (01:14):
Yep, yep, absolutely, man, what a what a night's What
a knight for the Nuggets.

Speaker 1 (01:17):
What a way to win?

Speaker 3 (01:19):
What a way to persevere or sort of stay well,
we got a bunch of sound which were the cool
stats to get to.

Speaker 1 (01:23):
But just your general thoughts from last night's game, Dave.

Speaker 5 (01:26):
I, I mean, I didn't you know, as that game
played on, they are they are thirteen points down with
like five minutes and change left. But I had liked
the way they had played for most of the game.
I thought Oklahoma City shot the ball. Not even sure

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what their numbers were at the end, but they I mean,
they they were hitting threes.

Speaker 1 (01:50):
That's sort of what they do.

Speaker 5 (01:52):
But I think, I mean, as you said, I think
Denver clearly stole that game, but it counts as a win.
And I like the fact that they hung in there,
I thought, And we we had talked about this. We
had we had talked about two or three factors, even
right after the first of the year with respect to
your thunder. You you know, I just I just want

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to make sure we get this right, so you sure
we're gonna get round. I just whether it's not, whether
it's your thunder or your timbrels. I can't remember which
which one. I mean, I really can't. I just know
it's one of the two.

Speaker 3 (02:29):
But again, for some reason, your Golden State Warriors move
advanced to listen.

Speaker 1 (02:34):
I'll tell you right now.

Speaker 5 (02:35):
I think Golden State wins that series something for sure,
anything you can afford to lose.

Speaker 1 (02:43):
Whatever. So So back to Oklahoma City.

Speaker 5 (02:48):
So I think, I think, and I said this like
a long time ago, I think Oklahoma City is really talented.
Long play hard on defense, good individual defenders, have size,
have length. But I thought they were soft. And I
said so back in frigging in January. All right, now,

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maybe they win the series, maybe they don't. I thought
the Nuggets were the tougher of the two teams last night,
for sure. I also said a long time ago, I
thought one of the keys was I didn't see anybody
in Oklahoma City that matched up very well with the Joker.
So forty two and twenty two later, here we are

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and the Nuggets have the lead. And I just like
the way that the Nuggets have found some grit to
how they play on defense. I thought they played hard
on defense. They still at times are challenged, some of
them in terms of shooting, perimeter shooting, whatsoever. But I

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just thought they were the tougher team physically, the tougher
team mentally. And I still have questions about Oak City,
the same questions I had back in January. Do they
have enough toughness they can anybody other than Shae score
in the clutch. There was a lot of standing around
as as Shay down the stretch. Everybody wanted him to

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have the ball, which I would too, but a lot
of guys standing around.

Speaker 1 (04:20):
It's easy to shoot threes in the.

Speaker 5 (04:22):
First quarter, second quarter, early third quarter, but as the
game tightens up down the stretch, those threes are the
basket doesn't look quite as big, and we had some
of that. And so just I mean, just a great
win for the Nuggets, and I'm excited to see game
two tomorrow night.

Speaker 4 (04:38):
That was just an amazing game to watch, like just
as really well fans just watching just watching them, especially
after that Boston New York game, like a fan, just
watching them, you know, fall behind and keep clawing back.
And that's the one thing I can always say, though,
you saw no quit in the Nuggets, even when the
thunder thought it was old like they thought it was
you could just tell they had this look on this

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space where they thought, oh, yeah, we got him. You know,
they have this look and and the and the Nuggets.
And I always say this, the rebounding advantage that the
Nuggets had was I played played a huge, huge part
of the game, but not even just the last shot.
I was watching this yesterday and I was like, Aaron
Gordon is a championship player, absolutely diving on the floor

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for balls, literally throwing his body around, just playing as
hard as he can for the team.

Speaker 1 (05:26):
You know.

Speaker 4 (05:27):
The thing is nobody is at this time of the year,
but just to have a guy like that that really
fights and does all the extra things. And then after
especially after the you know, the year that he had
with his brother passing and and just the you know,
the life, how life is hurt sometimes for him to
respond like this, and really this playoff run has been remarkable.

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It's it's a beautiful thing to see. And the Nuggets, man,
if I'm if, I'm okay, See I'm worried because you
weren't supposed to lose that game. You almost were up
a you know, I wasn't almost twenty fifty. You know,
you're up by that much, and you still somehow lose
in your house.

Speaker 5 (06:05):
I thought I thought their their booty holes got a
little tight down the stretch. I really you can almost
feel them, Blake, who here, these guys are putting a
rush on us, and we're not exactly sure how to
handle it.

Speaker 4 (06:19):
But then also to think about, like all the hate
that Russell Westbrook was getting and everyone kept, you know,
all throughout the last couple of years since he left
Oklahoma City. You know, everyone's like, you can't win with
Russ He's not he's not a winner. But all he
does is make winning plays. You know. Obviously Aaron Gorgon
said it, but you know, there was an opportunity rus
could have drove to the basket. I was screaming, but

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that was a championship play. It really was, you know
what I mean, Like because everybody wants, you know, the
cameras to be on them after you make a shot,
but don't you say, hey, when you make that.

Speaker 1 (06:52):
Pass, I set somebody up. Hey.

Speaker 5 (06:54):
There's a couple of times in the fourth quarter that
Russell Westbrook at sixty three is in the paint battling
his ass off for a rebound. I mean, that's the
kind of effort that you have to have. That's the
kind of effort he's displayed. He's been a great all
around player. He's never been a great shooter. But this

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is a guy's thirty seven years of age that is
in their battling and so I just thought it was
a terrific win. And I'm so anxious to see from
this point on, because I mean, Oak City has to
have Game two a home, they have to have it

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which and you know, I'm sure they'll come out and
probably be ahead, maybe get a sizable lead. The key
will be if the Nuggets are in a position in
Game two in the fourth quarter to tighten that thing up,
and how will Oklahoma City respond? And who wants to
shoot the ball other than SGA.

Speaker 4 (07:55):
If you look at Joker stats, you know, we all
love the forty two to twenty And I was looking
at it when they were losing at the end of
the game, and I was like, the reason they're going
to lose this game is because the other guys who
are not hitting shots. Joker only had like I think
he had like four assists at the time, and I
was just like, that's his shows like he's he's still
distributing the ball like he always does this, guys aren't
hitting shots. They went ten for thirty two from three.

Speaker 1 (08:17):
I thought he got mauled.

Speaker 5 (08:18):
Two yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah. He definitely was not
sure he got a favorable whistle.

Speaker 4 (08:22):
But then that's also why I'm like, all right, like
he's he knows he's getting attacked and he's getting that
ball out and guys just started hitting shots. And so
the Nuggets won this game even without their best shot
making ability. And I know we could keep talking about
how okay, see let this one go. The Nuggets didn't
play good.

Speaker 1 (08:40):
No, they didn't play their best ball either. Six for sixteen.

Speaker 4 (08:44):
That's you know, two shots from thirty three percent, you
know what I mean. So that's that's a tough game.
So this you have both you have a lot of
reasons to be a lot more confident if you're a
Nuggets fand because he's shown that once again, this is
also why people get on Oklahoma City so much as
you've shown that championship pedigree is going to come into
play and playoff time.

Speaker 1 (09:04):
And it's still room of the bandwagon, Bryan, I've never
been off the Nuggets bandwagon.

Speaker 3 (09:09):
See, this is where we get sideways on this because
I was I was acknowledging that the Thunder and the
Timberwolves are good teams.

Speaker 1 (09:15):
It doesn't mean that I'm not pulling for the Nuggets.

Speaker 5 (09:17):
Time you said number, you said you were scared to
play the Timberwolve, I did say that, and you thought,
what how did you categorize characterize? Excuse me, the potential
we didn't even know they were gonna play. But the
potential postseason matchup with the Nuggets and the Thunder not.

Speaker 1 (09:35):
A favorable one. I mean, it is what it is.
I mean, I I stand by that. I still don't
think it's a favorite getting bullied.

Speaker 3 (09:45):
It's off between Harketsteign and whole. I mean, listen, Chuck Holdgrin.
He is not a good matchup for the college.

Speaker 1 (09:52):
He just got his chest caved in.

Speaker 4 (09:55):
Also his his pride entire throws two free throws at
the end of the game.

Speaker 1 (10:00):
You should even even push it to a seventy.

Speaker 5 (10:03):
Five percent free It's not like you got a fifty
percent free throw shooter or the miss two. I mean,
he's he's he's a three out of every four guy.
Really great touch for a big man. Both of those
free throws were about an inch short, both of them.
After the first one was short, I thought, okay, he'll
make this or to be long. The second one was

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short as well. But I mean, just just a great,
a great, great job of the Nuggets.

Speaker 1 (10:29):
You mentioned the rebounds.

Speaker 3 (10:30):
They out rebounded this thunder by twenty in the game,
like twenty.

Speaker 1 (10:34):
That joke, give out the situation.

Speaker 5 (10:36):
And Christma Brown, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (10:41):
Christmaer Brown had thirteen. How many rebounds? How many rebounds
did did Russ? Half? Russ had two two rebounds, Yeah,
but two big rebounds at late end of the game.
They were They were big.

Speaker 4 (10:55):
And I think so you don't be worried, especially if
Oklahoma City, your highest rebounder was was shaved. You know
what I mean, Like your big guys are getting bullied inside.
I got an area where you know everyone loves like
Chuck Holmgren's game. How you know he's one of those
guys that gonna be at the three point line and
go inside. But yeah, just you've seen that frail frame

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kind of just struggle against a guy like Joeber who
has no problems with putting that shoulder down and going
to the hoop.

Speaker 1 (11:23):
Brian and I talked yesterday about this.

Speaker 5 (11:24):
Oak City was like a seven to one favorite betting
line over the Nuggets in the series, and I think,
listen and I kid Ryan about this. The reality is
Oakham City is really good. They've got the best record
in basketball, number one seed two consecutive years. But it's
just there's something about that team that until they do it,

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then I'm gonna sit back and say, hmmm. I mean,
they play a pretty brand of basketball, lots of athletes
up and down, and they've got some grit to them
on defense. I think they play hard on defense, and
this is going to be a long, arduous, tough series
for sure, But as I said yesterday, I think the

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Nuggets have more than a puncher's chance in this series.
And getting last night's win was a huge, huge start.

Speaker 4 (12:14):
And I feel awful because it looks like Michael Porter
Junior is really hurting out there. He's really he's trying.
But what does that say necessarily for the rest of
the roster that they'd rather have him out there with
one arm step in the fourth quarter?

Speaker 5 (12:29):
Though, I mean, David Adaman and I think it's worth
talking about if Michael Malone, who I was a fan of,
I guess he's not dead.

Speaker 1 (12:37):
I still would be a fan of him.

Speaker 5 (12:40):
Would Michael Malone have played in PJ in the fourth
quarter because he didn't play very much. Adaman took him
out and that was the end of it.

Speaker 4 (12:49):
Well, because it was after he went up for that
one rebound with one arm and it got.

Speaker 1 (12:52):
Taken from him. Yes, and so it's like, well, if
you can't even.

Speaker 4 (12:55):
Go get rebounds for us right now, you just hurt
You're hurting us right now, So you got to go
sit down.

Speaker 3 (12:58):
Yeah, the reports that he needs help getting his jersey
off after the game because he didn't even lift his
arm over his shot.

Speaker 5 (13:04):
I mean, I think he's tougher than a lot of
people think. Yes, you know, I know a lot of
Nuggets fans are frustrated with him, but I think I
think he is playing through what is a significant shoulder
injury by NBA standards.

Speaker 3 (13:16):
So I thought this was interesting after the game, And
you mentioned Jokichi had eighteen points in the fourth quarter
of his forty two, which is amazing, but this was
from hardwood Paroxysm says. Denver was outscored in points off
turnovers twenty three to five. Outscored off the bench thirty
two to twenty three, gave up five more made threes
than they made, and only shot thirty one percent from three,

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but they still won the game.

Speaker 5 (13:37):
See that that all those facts together. If I'm Mark
Dagnall the head coach, first of.

Speaker 1 (13:43):
All, what are you doing at the end? Well, what
are you doing at the end of the game? But
they folded.

Speaker 5 (13:48):
And but if I'm Mark Dangell and I look at
those stats, I'm I'm not going to tell the team,
but I'm a little concerned.

Speaker 1 (13:55):
Ye, Nuggets didn't shoot well.

Speaker 5 (13:56):
I thought Oak City's offense was pretty good for most
of the game. I mean, Caruso was a big, big
plus for them, and I'm sure they're going to come
out in a very frenzied kind of way in game two.
But yeah, at the end of the game, I'm thinking,
how does this make? What am I missing here?

Speaker 3 (14:14):
Well, it's it's that sort of advanced analytics conversation about
getting the foul in on a player.

Speaker 1 (14:20):
So we can't attempt to three, right, So I think
I can agree with that, But why not let him
bring the ball up the corner?

Speaker 4 (14:25):
That waste a little bit of time.

Speaker 3 (14:28):
The first one fell early, the second one Jokic was
out of the game. He was trying to check back in,
and they fouled Gordon as he got the inbound with
eleven seconds remaining. They didn't burn any time whatsoever. No,
And that was a perfect example right there, you're up
by three.

Speaker 5 (14:43):
I don't think any he defended it after the game,
but I don't think anybody that has any basketball acumen
could look at the sequence of plays and and say, yeah,
I think Oklahoma City did the right thing there. At
least I don't let him get past half court, let
him take some time off the clock.

Speaker 4 (14:58):
Exactly like all you did was you're helping them. You
gave him the time out. You gave him a way
to recuperate and really figure out how how to attack you.

Speaker 1 (15:05):
And you gave it. You gave them the ability to
cut the score without the clock moving and to get
Yolkach back into the game.

Speaker 3 (15:12):
Because they didn't have a time out at that point
of eleven seconds left when they fouled Aaron Gordon when
he got the inbound, there's no timeouts.

Speaker 1 (15:18):
They couldn't have gotten Yolkaic back in the game.

Speaker 3 (15:20):
They might have been forced to take a desperation shot,
and again worst case scenario, and he defended it today
because he was peppered questions specifically about this worst case scenario.
You still got one more chance, like say they make
the three, you get another chance.

Speaker 1 (15:34):
Yeah, you have the ball, You have the ball.

Speaker 3 (15:36):
And again worst after that is you just go to
overtime when you were at home and you feel like
you're the better team.

Speaker 5 (15:41):
The logic of fouling when you're three ahead, I think
is not new, and I think it does. It does
make sense if sort of you're of that mindset. But
fouling immediately after the ball is inbounded, you know, ninety
or almost ninety feet away from your opponent's goal and

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not having them dribble the ball.

Speaker 1 (16:04):
You could have them dribble the ball up, use four.

Speaker 5 (16:07):
Or five seconds and fallum as soon as they crossed
mid court, right you have, I mean the clock.

Speaker 1 (16:13):
You want that clock to run.

Speaker 5 (16:15):
I mean, it was fortunate for the Nuggets that that's
what the Thunder chose to do.

Speaker 1 (16:19):
This was a really cool stat that came out after
last night. One.

Speaker 3 (16:22):
I mean, we have ulcers, really fun ones as a
result of this game. But this one I saw earlier today.
Most playoff wins when trailing by fourteen or more points
in the second half in the last seven years, So
again we're talking about they were down by fifteen, So
down by more than fourteen in the second half of
a game in the last seven years. Nuggets lead the
way with eight comeback wins from those situations.

Speaker 1 (16:43):
The next closest is Miami at five.

Speaker 3 (16:45):
Golden State has four, Oklomacy is three, Milwaukee does have one.

Speaker 4 (16:50):
I did see that earlier, but going down, Oh, I
thought you just remember the game. Oh, I thought to
be worried about you. Eight that's a lot, but don't blink.
That's the craziest part is it's like Oklahoma City just
didn't help themselves. Yes, and you're the number one team.
And this is why people don't think you're going to
make that step until you finally do, because that's just

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a dumb decision, because that's going behind the thought of
you know, if you want to file right away, that's
going to be on the thought of you. You're hoping
your guys going to make their free those two and
that's exactly what didn't happen, and that's why you lost
the game.

Speaker 3 (17:23):
I thought Dan, as you mentioned, I thought he let
him down honestly, Like in the end, they controlled that
game for the majority of it, and they didn't they
just shoot on the first quarter, they kind of came
on and out. You mentioned El's crew, so kind of
got hot. Lou Dorts, Lou looked pretty good. They all
look good. That's a good looking roster man from top
to bottom.

Speaker 5 (17:43):
And they kept like bringing guys off the bench, and
I'm thinking, God, they're so deep. Yes, they're deep and young,
and they've got and they play a pretty brand of
basketball and three point centric sort of offense.

Speaker 1 (17:56):
You've got a great player in SGA.

Speaker 5 (17:59):
You've got side Hartenstein's a smart player inside. He brings
to some size and a little bit of toughness. But
the bottom line is when that thing started set, they
don't have an answer for the big fella, for the joker.
They don't have an answer for They have less.

Speaker 1 (18:15):
Nobody else does either.

Speaker 5 (18:17):
They have less of an answer than most of the
NBA teams currently in the play said.

Speaker 3 (18:22):
To you, you said that as part of your reason.
You said Softs is right, they will not be able
to match up with him.

Speaker 1 (18:27):
Yeah, and I just I just think this. I think, until.

Speaker 5 (18:29):
You, until you prove in a in a playoff situation,
like I remember thinking about last year and Luca was
great with the Mavericks, but I'm thinking Oak City's got
a better roster here. But I thought they they sort
of shrunk a little bit at big times against the Mavericks,
and that's where the the my mind started thinking like, Okay,

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I mean, you had home court advantage again, then you
didn't play like you didn't play like you really believed
you were that that team. Now this year, they get
the best record, and I like the way they play,
but I just have to see them, I would say
right now, if they are fortunate enough to beat the Nuggets,
which I don't think.

Speaker 1 (19:12):
I like the Nuggets in this series.

Speaker 5 (19:15):
I don't think they're going to beat either Minnesota or
Golden State, and I think they're as.

Speaker 1 (19:21):
Talented as either. I just I haven't seen it.

Speaker 5 (19:26):
They've got to win some tough, close games and show
some toughness and grit and resiliency. The Nuggets have done
all of that over the last whatever three or four years.

Speaker 3 (19:37):
You mentioned the depth, So the Nuggets had three players
with forty or more minutes and Aaron Gordon played thirty nine,
so basically had four players around forty minutes plus. The
only player they had to even stretch to forty with Shay.
Everybody else was was sub I mean Jaylen Williams got
to thirty eight, but thirty for lou dort Chet. Holmgren
played twenty eight.

Speaker 1 (19:56):
He was in foul trouble and his chess caved in.
Alex Cruzho had off the bench. I'd play him more.

Speaker 3 (20:02):
Jason Wallace had twenty one. Yeah, But I mean that's
to your point. I mean you can go they went
ten deep and go that really any nights and that
that's something to monitor. And it's not to me say
that that the Nuggets won't win the series. That's something
to monitor as the series goes along, because the Nuggets
just go off a seven game they played four, and they.

Speaker 1 (20:22):
Have more depth.

Speaker 3 (20:23):
So you'd think that the longer this series goes, that
would favor the deeper team.

Speaker 1 (20:27):
When you say, uh, it should, it should, Yeah, I
think again.

Speaker 5 (20:35):
I think the series will come down to as long
as the Nuggets are close.

Speaker 1 (20:41):
At the end of the game.

Speaker 5 (20:42):
In the last five minutes, when everything tightens up, including
what you sit on, Nuggets know exactly where they're going
with the ball. It's going to be a two man
game with Jamal and the Joker, or it's going to be.
And I thought it was a little bit different. They
isolated the Joker at the at the free throw line
extended and went out and he's you know, you've got
a rotation where you've got Caruso, who's my size, trying

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to cover the joker.

Speaker 1 (21:06):
Good good luck on that.

Speaker 5 (21:08):
But they know what they're They know exactly what the
end of the game situations are going to look like.
And I don't get the feeling that Oklahoma City does just.

Speaker 4 (21:17):
Yet they've been there before and that's that's where that
experience and when you know, we always hear people talk
about that all the time, but that's what experience comes
into play.

Speaker 1 (21:26):
Absolutely.

Speaker 3 (21:26):
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you want to interact, we'll hear from some sound from
last night's game, also to reaction even today.

Speaker 1 (21:35):
We'll get off to it next.

Speaker 3 (21:37):
On KOA, an anonymous Colorado fan is suing the NFL
for over one hundred million dollars due to quote unquote
emotional distress that he went through. It's he so it's anonymous,
but you know it's a he that he went through
while watching Shore Sanders slide all the way to the
fifth round of the draft.

Speaker 5 (21:56):
Figured that dumb ass and be one of us. Seriously, Yeah,
you know why he's anonymous.

Speaker 1 (22:06):
So here check this out. This is fun.

Speaker 3 (22:08):
He's seeking a retract a a retraction of the slanderous
statements made about Shador Sanders, along with an apology for
any harm caused to his reputation, implementation of fairer practices
in drafting process to ensure the talented players are recognized
and given opportunities based on merit, punitive damages and the

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amount of one hundred million dollars for harm caused to
the plaintiff and the impact of the NFL's actions on
his emotional well being, and finally, any additional remedies the
court deems appropriate, including compensatory damages.

Speaker 1 (22:41):
What a idiot, Oh what a loser. I was dying man.

Speaker 3 (22:46):
I was like, well, mel Kiper, you're not all that anonymous,
so you're not really from Colorado either, But.

Speaker 1 (22:59):
Ryan, it's certainly not Ryan Edwards. I have better things
to do with my time.

Speaker 3 (23:03):
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didn't do anything.

Speaker 1 (23:09):
Flannel did everything.

Speaker 3 (23:10):
Maybe he's more comfortable he's riding up this lawsuit, but
that's not it.

Speaker 5 (23:14):
How about how about the lawyer who actually filed it,
decided to file this and and I'm assuming took money
from this yokel uh to write this up. So you know,
my answer to this would be tongue in cheek completely.
So don't don't text us on the text line, well
texas on the text line, but just don't text. It's

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about this five six six nine zero. This guy, first
of all, he got to go to jail for like
three months. That's stop all this frivolous lawsuit stuff.

Speaker 1 (23:52):
Right to go to jail. I got to go to jail.
Waste of time. And the lawyer, uh, you know, can't can't.
I mean I have to think about what to do.

Speaker 5 (24:00):
Was disbarred for the final Really seriously, I mean you
can see you can sue anybody over anything.

Speaker 1 (24:05):
Isn't that right? Right?

Speaker 5 (24:05):
But I mean this, this does rank in the top ten,
maybe the top five, of the dumbest lawsuits I've ever heard.

Speaker 3 (24:13):
Even thought the I spilled hot coffee on me had
more merit, like McDonald's.

Speaker 1 (24:19):
Remember the McDonald's coffee was and they actually settled, didn't they.
I think they did. I think I think got paid, Yeah,
I think so. And then they had to put the
thing on the coffee.

Speaker 5 (24:28):
Lord, I mean, seriously, you know, seriously, after selection will happen.

Speaker 3 (24:32):
It wasn't there the Oreo lawsuits where the person gained
a lot of weight and said they sued Oreo because.

Speaker 1 (24:38):
I missed that one. Oh yeah, I'm kind of glad
I did. But because no accountability obviously, Yeah, they didn't.

Speaker 3 (24:44):
They didn't know orioles would make them fat, and so
they sued Oreo.

Speaker 5 (24:49):
Wow, what's the nutrition on the side of the bag.
What happened to that lawsuit?

Speaker 1 (24:53):
Probably settled, I'm not I'm not exactly sure on that,
but I just remember that being ahead of somebody.

Speaker 5 (24:57):
Oriole because they too many Oreos and got fat.

Speaker 1 (25:00):
They and they wont I'm gonna I'll look it up.
I'll look up at the outcome of that is. But
this you're on, this isn't in the top.

Speaker 3 (25:06):
I mean, I just love the a retraction, like is
it the NFL is gonna come out a retraction of
the slanderous statements made about you.

Speaker 1 (25:14):
You've got to come out. You have to. You have
to step to the light. You have to.

Speaker 5 (25:19):
Jump out of the anonymity box, announce who you are,
proudly say it with your chest, probably a KOA listener. Yeah,
and we'll put you on here, put you on and
and try to give you some sort of help.

Speaker 4 (25:36):
It was dismissed. Yeah, I'm okay, yeah, I said.

Speaker 3 (25:41):
Plaintiff's in one lawsuit, argued that the always made with
real Coco statement on the Oriel label was misleading because
the coco was refined through an alkalizing process. The court
dismissed the claims, taking that the plaintiffs did not allege
the label misrepresented the quantity or proportion of coco.

Speaker 1 (25:58):
Kelly Man, I mean serious.

Speaker 4 (26:00):
I mean, well, you know, it's just like there's a
group of lawyers in California that go around and they
just look for things to sue.

Speaker 1 (26:06):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (26:07):
You know. It was just one place I know in
the Bay Area that got sued for a Ladies Night
because they said it's discriminatory against you know, everybody else.
So it's looks like a group of lawyers that go
around and try to suit Colvin whatever that one they
won and it had and this place had to shut
down because they couldn't afford the legal fees.

Speaker 1 (26:25):
Wow, this is.

Speaker 4 (26:26):
Like, that's why these lawyers are kind of getting out
of hand with these lawsuits when it comes to that,
because now you're just intentionally going around looking for people
to suit, and that's how you're making your money.

Speaker 3 (26:36):
I just love to be a fly on the wall
for the conversation with the plaintiff. Came to the lawyer says,
you know what, I've been wronged. We have to fight
the system here. The NFL has broken me, and now
I seek retribution.

Speaker 1 (26:53):
I don't know what do you think I.

Speaker 5 (26:55):
Need the tape, a trunk and a car ride across
the border and listen, you spend a little bit of
time in a border town and drink a little tequila,
touch the grass, rethink your position, and then we come
back and get you in a week and see if
you've changed your mind.

Speaker 1 (27:12):
Imagine the lawyer said, that sounds like one hundred million
dollars to me. Oh my gosh, a hundred million dollars.

Speaker 4 (27:18):
The man, the man, No, I'm okay, come more, man.
We got a little bit more sense to that over here.

Speaker 1 (27:25):
Anyways, I thought that was hysterical.

Speaker 3 (27:27):
Twitter was having a lot of fun with that, trying
to guess who, and they were tagging all sorts of
CU fans throughout the whole thing. So now it kind
of reopened the wound of see you fans feelings though
he was and there were a lot of the men there.

Speaker 1 (27:39):
You don't think it was somebody in the staff, do you? Oh? Boy? Well? Also, okay,
that's crazy talk. I'm just asking to the classic.

Speaker 5 (27:50):
No, I know, I know, I don't know anything about
this lawsuit. I was just asking, do you think it
was somebody on the staff?

Speaker 1 (27:58):
Well?

Speaker 4 (27:58):
Not as Jersey retirement things kind of just looks all
goofy because he's not the first round pick you thought.

Speaker 1 (28:03):
He was gonna be. He's gonna be number twelve, by
the way, for you guys, good fair, not number two.
Oh he is gonna war number telve. Number twelve. Well,
good for him. That's your teammates.

Speaker 4 (28:13):
I know that's a good family. He got his number,
got the number he wanted.

Speaker 5 (28:15):
How about my man asking for Lawrence Taylor's number with
the Giants.

Speaker 4 (28:20):
Don't you want to build your own legacy? You want
to step back?

Speaker 1 (28:22):
Rook?

Speaker 5 (28:23):
I mean, seriously, he may be a great player. I mean,
stop and think about this. It is Lawrence Taylor not
the greatest player ever in New York Giants football history,
sober or not?

Speaker 1 (28:35):
If not?

Speaker 5 (28:36):
Yeah, I mean, hey, he was a great player.

Speaker 1 (28:41):
Well that that really.

Speaker 4 (28:42):
I was actually talking to Ryan about this before you
came in, before we started. It comes as like build
your own legacy. Absolutely, like Bill Jones, just because you're
the number three overall pick does not mean that you're
automatically a Hall of Famer. And you know, obviously he
has the tools to be a really good player. But
I don't think there was a single player here that like, oh,
this guy is a Hall of Famer, right, No, because

(29:04):
you have to go out there and put the work in.
So why don't you go actually start with a number
of your own and make it yours, Like why totally exactly?
But then you go to Phil Simmons and go like,
just pick a number and let's ball. We will be
worried about numbers. You need to be worried about football.

Speaker 3 (29:22):
I'm glad you guys weren't here yesterday because I actually
argued in favor of Abdulka.

Speaker 1 (29:26):
Please tell me you did what I really did I argued,
you really, Yeah, I really did. I really. I was
actually pretty proud of my argument, even though I think
this works, Like you, there's time to rethink your position,
what you're like about it. We got to get traffic here.
I apologize. Guy's course is to healing a rainy day.
A good thing. Is that like a good rainy dish,

(29:47):
So it's a good thing.

Speaker 5 (29:48):
Explain the two of us sitting here looking at you,
dead in your mug, why you think it's a good
idea for mister Carter coming out of Penn State. You
think it's okay to ask for the greatest player of
all time in franchise history. And he hasn't played a
single down and he's asking Lawrence Taylor to take his

(30:09):
fifty six out of retirement. So make a case. I
want to hear it. That's a good idea. Thank you
for bringing us back up. We have to address this.
I think we can drink in the second. Okay, great,
and we might need it. We might need it now.

Speaker 1 (30:24):
I made the argument yesterday.

Speaker 3 (30:25):
First of all, I think that retiring numbers is a
bit overrated. I'd say I like a little bit more
of what they do in college, where you earn to
wear those numbers are ye, well, this is.

Speaker 1 (30:37):
I mean I do a recent example.

Speaker 3 (30:39):
However, whoever, you know, like he's coming from Penn State,
you're going to earn the right to wear number eleven. Right,
If you're going to be that guy that Ed Rusher,
like Michael Parsons more number eleven he had, we get
to wear number eleven.

Speaker 1 (30:53):
You've got to earn the right.

Speaker 3 (30:54):
Dallas Cowboys with number eighty eight and wide receiver, right,
it's not a retired number. They've had greats wear that
number several years, I mean several decades now.

Speaker 1 (31:03):
None of those guys are the greatest player in franchise history.

Speaker 3 (31:05):
No, not necessarily, And so maybe there is a discussion
point about I brought it back to the Broncos, like
number seven, right, it would be very hard forty four
two probably, it'd be very hard to imagine somebody wearing
those numbers.

Speaker 5 (31:18):
Can you imagine if bo Knicks would have come in
last year and said, hey, I really want to wear
number seven mm.

Speaker 1 (31:27):
Was what would your reaction to been? Then, Oh no,
you can't do that.

Speaker 4 (31:32):
Do that.

Speaker 3 (31:33):
But I come back to my original point that I
think the retiring numbers in general is overrated. So if
I think it's the difference of we allow some or
we allow none, I would allow all.

Speaker 5 (31:42):
So if bo Knicks, Since you didn't answer, I'll rephrase.
If bo Nix had come in last year twelve overall pick,
first round quarterback, you know he's going to be the
guy he hasked to wear number seven, what would your
reaction have been? And what do you think Broncos country
reaction would have been?

Speaker 1 (31:57):
Broncos Country would have lost their minds? How about you? Deservedly?

Speaker 4 (32:00):
No, he says, it's now we don't.

Speaker 1 (32:05):
Have My concept is not a real one. It's a
hypothetical one. Hell are you talking about it?

Speaker 3 (32:13):
Because if the system is in place where they do
have retired numbers.

Speaker 5 (32:17):
I'm asking you, not a hypothetic said you don't care
about retired numbers.

Speaker 4 (32:20):
I guess this would bow Knicks came up and when
his first year said I wanted my name is Joel.

Speaker 1 (32:26):
Would your reaction have been? I said, it's going to
ruffle some feathers.

Speaker 3 (32:30):
But you know what, if you believe you reaction been
I would have said it's going to ruffle some feathers.

Speaker 1 (32:35):
But if you believe in him.

Speaker 5 (32:36):
No, No, I don't care about if you meaning me
or anybody else, what would your Ryan Edwards reaction have
been if Bonnicks had asked for number seven last year.

Speaker 1 (32:48):
I'd say, that's a bold decision, that's a that's a
bold request, okay, and you granted or not. I would
have granted it.

Speaker 4 (32:55):
But I understand argument about about there's so many like
you know, it's right now. I feel like we are
at a time where we have to figure out how
to properly honor players of the past, and there's only
so many numbers. And that's why I'm like, all right, Like,

(33:17):
as the game keeps growing, there's going to be a
lot of numbers that end up getting retired. So in
order for really what you wanta do, it's going to
start going one O one, one O two and start
going all around. But that doesn't take away from the
fact that, you know, the people that got their numbers retired,
they earned that, and that's that they earned. They truly
earned that.

Speaker 5 (33:36):
There's only certain guys that earn what Shelby's talking about
Elway did, Floyd Little Dish, Lawrence Taylor did. Now I'm
talking about in the NFL, we'll wait and retire show.
College is different college. Different college.

Speaker 4 (33:51):
The college is different nowadays because now it's all about
clout and and you know, trying to look good for
everybody else and being like, oh, come here with a
retired number. College different.

Speaker 5 (34:00):
So you got I mean you were talking during the break,
you got asked when you went to the Raiders, you
got to ask to worse seventy five.

Speaker 4 (34:06):
Yeah, and they didn't let me change it. I was like,
I don't want to wear Holly long'snmber because I want
to be my own player. Like that's just how I
think about it. Like, if I have an opportunity, I
want to make a number my home, you know what
I mean? And that and that's that's always kid. Because
when I'm walking around looking at like this, if I'm
walking around the stadium, if I see a seventy five jersey,

(34:28):
is that a Holly Long jersey? Is that Shelby Hairs jersey?
But if I go to ninety three or ninety six,
like how it was in Denver, I'd be like, all right, well,
if I see in ninety six, I I know that's
a Shelby, Like you know that that was a Shelby
Hair jersey back thenth yes, and I think that's the
most important thing. I think, you know, a lot of
these kids. Now I'm not saying I do Carter.

Speaker 1 (34:45):
Is this.

Speaker 4 (34:45):
I'm saying all these kids today they don't have any identity.
They are whatever. They are so ambiguous with their identity
that they're just be whoever they want to, whatever they
see on social media. And I don't believe in that.
I believe be your own person, so you know, blaze
your own path and go out to and make that
number yours.

Speaker 3 (35:02):
But I guess the ultimate point for me was that
there's a legacy with these numbers for each franchise, right,
for each organization. Even when Philip Lindsay were number thirty
as a running back, there was a legacy to that
number with TD right.

Speaker 1 (35:14):
So for me, it would be.

Speaker 3 (35:17):
Getting the next crop of great players that understand and
we get to celebrate that legacy of those great players
in the past.

Speaker 1 (35:24):
That's that's what my argument was.

Speaker 5 (35:26):
I can, okay, I can agree with that, but I
think and Terrell was a great, great player, but there
with every franchise, there is one or two, maybe three
players that are even on.

Speaker 1 (35:43):
The level above your great players. Right.

Speaker 5 (35:47):
Lawrence Taylor's on that level. Phil Simms is not. Lawrence
Taylor is. John Elway for the Broncos is on that level.
And I think growing up here, Floyd's on that level too.
I don't know if there's anybody else. I mean, we
worked with Steve Atwater, one of the greatest players in
franchise history. He's on the great level. He's not He's
not on that level with l Way and Steve would.

(36:08):
I think Steve would agree with Elway and with Floyd.
So I think every franchise, probably to me at least,
would have one or two, maybe three numbers that are untouchable.
We're not those Those numbers are retired and they ain't
coming back.

Speaker 3 (36:21):
And with that, I actually am fine with that conversation.
Like I I said, I even said in the moment yesterday,
it's like I I know that I this won't be
a popular opinion, but I will also say that I
could see where you say Elway Floyd little like that
that is an untouchable.

Speaker 1 (36:39):
Well, a few minutes ago you said bo Nix could
have John's jersey.

Speaker 3 (36:44):
I said that if it was the difference of we're
doing it or not doing it, then I would side
on the same we're not doing it well.

Speaker 1 (36:50):
I just feel like.

Speaker 4 (36:51):
If it's out of respect that you don't even try
to get that number out of that's the respect part, Yes,
that's the worst part. Respect is like, all right, this
guy is an all time great. Let me just act
like I'm just go get this numbership.

Speaker 1 (37:04):
Do we know he's not trying to honor LT, We're
trying to honor him or not? It doesn't it's like
that all I mean most respect.

Speaker 4 (37:10):
And respect to respect of you know, this team, you know,
respect of what your career was before, respect of what
you meant to his team, or what you meant to
this community, and just what you you know for now
even the LT thing really what he meant to the game,
you know what I mean, everyone knows, like you know,
it's the only way he can he really would have
been able to wear fifty six for the Giants.

Speaker 1 (37:31):
Is if LT came up with the idea and said.

Speaker 5 (37:34):
Hey man, I'd be honored if you'd wear my jersey,
then it's like absolutely, then it's a great deal and
Giants fans probably love it.

Speaker 1 (37:42):
But in reverse, it doesn't work