05-06-25 KOA Sports Hour 2 with Shelby Harris

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Five, six, six million zeros or kay Commas spirit health
text line. Needless to say, the textures do not agree
with my sentiments about retired numbers. As fint we get
a chance to debate these things and discuss these things.
The flannel mentality again once again, I don't know why
you guys had to bring flannel into this. Flannel did
nothing wrong to you.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
You know why they brought Yeah, And I know why why?

Speaker 1 (00:18):
Yeah, I didn't. I'm just saying flannel. And I'm not
even wearing flannel today, but flannel.

Speaker 2 (00:21):
They're surprising.

Speaker 3 (00:22):
Actually it's really cold, especially today, it's really cold. We
had a texture from the seven one to nine that says, so,
would you consider to Puka's number eighteen in that category
same as lways seven and Littles fourteen?

Speaker 2 (00:34):
I would not. I would not, But I mean no, yeah.

Speaker 1 (00:39):
I mean would would based on just our conversation for
a second. Do you agree with me in the sense
that echelon of seven and forty four that's kind of
the top of the heap there?

Speaker 2 (00:50):
Yeah, I think so.

Speaker 3 (00:52):
I mean, Randy Gratisar just made the Pro Football Hall
of Fame, and it was about time, about time, Randy,
I mean, Randy was a great player. Steve Attwater is
in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Steve was a
great player. There have been, I mean Terrell Davis, Hall
of Fame player, great player.

Speaker 2 (01:10):
So they're they're they're way, way way up the chart.

Speaker 3 (01:15):
But to me, the retired numbers and they're not coming
back with Londale Way and Little.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
Okay, So we're on the same page about that. I
love that, well, I don't much care for that. How
do you how do you figure we're on the same page.

Speaker 4 (01:29):
What do you do you think a von Miller retirement
will be coming soon? Or are you just specifically Lway
and Floyd Little.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
That's a good, that's a good in terms of retiring
to Jersey.

Speaker 4 (01:41):
Because he did you know, and was it a Super
Bowl MVP?

Speaker 2 (01:45):
Yes? Did he get a dp O? No, he never won.

Speaker 3 (01:48):
He was second that year. Was Yeah, he's got where
where is he in the sack list all the time?
He's got over one hundred. I mean, he's would bet
he's in the top ten to twelve all time.

Speaker 2 (02:04):
All right, So Bruce one twenty nine, Bruce is rusus
two hundred. Uh yeah, he's sixteen.

Speaker 4 (02:11):
Sixteenth behind Leslie O'Neill and.

Speaker 2 (02:14):
LT and LT yep.

Speaker 1 (02:16):
Okay, yeah, we brought up him and Champ Bailey yesterday
as like the examples of maybe some numbers you'd consider
in that conversation.

Speaker 3 (02:22):
I mean, Champs one of my all time favorite guys
and players. He's he's in the I mean to me,
he's in He's in the Hall of Fame. He's in
the Gratis jar that that group of elite Bronco players.
Now is he in the We're not going to let
anybody have number twenty four ever? Again, I don't know

(02:44):
if he's in that category, then what about twenty seven?
What about fifty three?

Speaker 2 (02:52):
Right?

Speaker 3 (02:52):
What about I think as soon as Vaughan retires, what
about fifty eight? Now, all of a sudden, you're going
to start retiring. You got ten numbers is retired, So
I would say, no.

Speaker 4 (03:02):
That's what the issue kind of becomes is once your
team's old enough, you're going to have a lot of
legends on a team, and as I was saying, you're
gonna run out of.

Speaker 3 (03:09):
Numbers, welcome you just have you just have to really
define the difference between greatness with the franchise and.

Speaker 2 (03:23):
Elite play to.

Speaker 3 (03:25):
The point maybe franchise defining type player. I mean, Lawrence
Taylor to me would be like John Elway in terms
of what those two fan bases think of those players. Right,
franchise defining players. Coaches come out and say Lawrence Taylor

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is the best player not only to ever play for
the Giants, but he may be.

Speaker 2 (03:49):
I mean, I think.

Speaker 3 (03:50):
Bill Belichick said he's he's the best player that I've
ever seen in the NFL. Now, I know Bill's seeing
different things nowadays, but he's seen some pretty good players
over the years. Well, do I look at him right now?

Speaker 4 (04:07):
Mon's at one twenty nine and a half and if
you get ten sacks this year, he'll be tied for seven.

Speaker 2 (04:13):
Play you think Vonn's gonna get ten? Where?

Speaker 4 (04:16):
Hey, I honestly still I when I watched this film,
because obviously I had to watch it a little bit
last year. I still see some of the von Miller.
I still see it, and it's since the game has
changed a little bit where they just do different things
that help out their tackles now. And so you know,
I still believe that Vin could still go out there

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and pump out ten sacks, and I think he will.
I think I would love to see Vin be a
top ten you know, sack artists of all time. It's like,
I would love to see Miles Garrett because I'm selfish
and I want to say I played with two guys
that that got the top top ten sacks, and I
want to be like, yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:51):
I helped them.

Speaker 1 (04:52):
Oh, Miles is fifty eighth right now, one hundred and
two sacks and he's fifty eighth, so what's crazy?

Speaker 4 (04:59):
He said one hundred and two, So he's literally eleven
sacks from twenty fifth, and so that's you know, so
about the end of this season, you got to assume
he's top twenty five. And then already he's so close
to jj y jj Wader had one hundred and fourteen
and a half and multiple times dpoy they had them,
what two twenty SAX seasons, and so you have a

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guy that had the production and so I think, you know,
this is a great company. But yeah, I believe. I
believe in von Still, and you know, obviously I ride
with Miles.

Speaker 1 (05:28):
So ten SAX season seems like, I don't know, maybe
a bit of a reach, but I can see him
playing this year.

Speaker 4 (05:34):
Sucks as a reach, do you know? The one thing
I will say about the NFL now is just like
sacks are one of the easier things to come upon now.
It not like that back in the day before, where
you know, they're running the ball first and second down
and the only time you had to rush the passers
third down. Nowadays, ten sacks as an inside player isn't
even you know, unheard of, you know what I mean.
So I'm thinking of a guy of von like like

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a guy like von Miller that can actually go out
there and you know, still move and still and still
do what he does. Ten sacks is not as crazy
as it.

Speaker 1 (06:03):
Sounds, especially if you get to play Caleb Williams or
something like that.

Speaker 4 (06:06):
Right, yeah, you know, play where's he playing? You know,
he's gonna take his time. That's one thing. He's going
to take his time. He's not in the rush.

Speaker 1 (06:20):
I don't know, man, I mean, listen, I'm always gonna
reof for Vaughn von Is. He's not like all time Bronco.
Not only that, he still talks about the Broncos week.

Speaker 3 (06:28):
An all time Bronco, no doubt about that.

Speaker 1 (06:30):
He says, we yeah to this day because.

Speaker 4 (06:33):
Vonn loved Vonn loved it here He appreciates the city
and he he knows how important Denver was to his career.
So you know, you got to think he got his
he got his super Bowl. It's like you don't got
his first ring there, super Bowl NDP, Like this city
means the world to him. All of these, all this
his philanthroplete events are still in Denver. They're never any
well was he makes sure that he always comes back

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to Denver, and that's that's love.

Speaker 1 (06:57):
A really cool article on Pat Bryan's talk to the
receivers coach out there in Illinois, and I got me
pretty fired up about Pat Bryant. There was an interesting
point in here, Dave. He talked about how he had
the option because he remember he ran at four to
six one or whatever at the Combine, second worst wide
receiver time. He had a chance to run it again
at his pro day and he opted not to. Do

(07:20):
we read into that as it could have been worse,
or do we read it because because the way that
he framed in the article was he just didn't think
it mattered, because I thought, you turn on the tape,
you see me run. That's not I don't even care
that to put a bad number there you'll see what
I'm about.

Speaker 3 (07:34):
Yeah, I think I think that's interesting. I think that
is an interesting way to approach it. I think I
think I know this. The team believes he's faster than
what he ran.

Speaker 2 (07:52):
The team believes and I believe they have.

Speaker 3 (07:57):
Metrics to back this up that he was faster in
games than the actual time he ran. So you know,
you're getting, I think from from the fans perspective, you're
getting you're getting a bigger receiver. You're getting a guy
that is an excellent, by all accounts, excellent ball catcher.

(08:18):
He had three catches last year that were walkoffs on
the last play of the game. So he's he's he's
used to, you know, having big moments. He understands based
on what he said, and then you go back and
look at his tape. Uh, he is what I would
call an active blocker, right, Guys like that. You know,

(08:39):
defensive backs used to say they they look at tape
and they would they would single out a guy like
that and say, we we got to keep our heads
in a swivel for him, because he's one of those
guys that will ear hole you in a minute and
then really enjoy it and let you hear about it. Yeah, yeah, no,

(08:59):
Usually it goes when you get one of those shots
in the defense to back will get up and I
can't say exactly what he says, but but the message is, oh, okay,
so it's gonna be like that.

Speaker 2 (09:10):
It's really pretty much like dance. I got your next
playing to be like that. Okay, there is there.

Speaker 3 (09:16):
I mean, there are so many moments and Shelby still playing,
but there's so many moments in the game where you have,
like just an interaction with a guy. Maybe you've had
to battle for forty or fifty plays and maybe you
got the better of him, and but there there there
are more times than not a verbal interaction between players
like that, and they're funny as hell a lot of times.

Speaker 4 (09:36):
I have this one specific one when I was we
were playing the Rams in LA two years ago, when
I was with the Browns and I'm I'm hitting the
b gap, I'm going up the field and Kyrin Williams
comes and like hits me in my ribs, takes me out.
I get up my damn and I try to find them.
I try to go find them. I can push them
over because like I got something fut I'll get you.

(09:58):
But see there you go, and that's what it is.
You got get your geod batch you ever getting back? Yeah,
I did. And it's funny because it was actually it
was all my micd up because I was miked up.
So I was like, it shows me like chasing for him.
But I think, you know, it's actually very interesting. He
didn't run his forty again, Pat Brian didn't run his
forty again because when you're not doing the electronic forty,
you actually run faster because obviously when it's electronic, that's

(10:19):
it's on point, you know, when you have people, you know,
you have human error when it comes to you know,
the stopwatches, and so usually a lot of people run
faster at their pro days and they do it their
you know, at the combine. So it was actually a
very interesting decision. Obviously he was happy with his time
and wasn't really complaining and it really didn't hurt that
much because he got picked pretty high. And now he's

(10:39):
in a good position here because you think about you
you're in a great position with the with the Broncos,
it's a good team. You have another good tall receiver
Qrling that can kind of help you out and you know,
learn more about the offense, and now you're going to
a team that was in the playoffs last year.

Speaker 2 (10:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (10:54):
The quote here says it's why Bryant never sweated his
lackluster forty time in Indianapolis. He passed up a chance
to improve it as a pro day. Everything teams needed
to know about his speed, Bryant reasoned, could be found
on this film. It was interesting, by the way, one
of the walkoffs. I'm glad Nick did the whole breakdown
because I didn't realize it. I saw the highlight the
forty yard touchdown wreckers. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that one. So

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they actually lined up for a field goal Illinois did,
and then Rutgers called time out.

Speaker 2 (11:23):
I saw this play actually I used to kicker.

Speaker 1 (11:25):
They called time as a fifty eight yard field goal, right,
and so they were like, all right, well maybe we
should go for it kind of deal is fourth and thirteen,
and so he caught the pass and I guess Brett Bulama,
who we might actually have on later on this week.

Speaker 4 (11:40):
Actually that's who recruited me in that Wisconsin was Brett Bielaman.

Speaker 2 (11:42):
No, no kidding, literally.

Speaker 4 (11:43):
That's yeah. That was my freshman year. Head coach at Wisconsin,
Brett Blama. And it's funny because the decoy in now
is Aaron Henry, who was a dB when I was
at Wisconsin. And then he has Terence Jamison, who's a
D lineman when I was at Wisconsin too. And so
one thing I always do say about Brett Beulaman I
think it's cool is he usually does have a lot
of four players of his former players on his staff.

Speaker 1 (12:03):
So he caught the ball at the twenty two yard
line with nine seconds left.

Speaker 2 (12:06):
He caught it. He caught it basically in the middle
of the field.

Speaker 3 (12:10):
That's right, it's all if you're Rutgers, if you're great,
you have getting just somebody tackling.

Speaker 2 (12:17):
The game's over, right, And he takes it inside. He
doesn't run to the boundary.

Speaker 1 (12:21):
He takes it back across across the field field and
then outruns everybody to the end zone.

Speaker 4 (12:27):
So is that four to six speed or is that
actually real speed? And that's why I always say that, like,
you know, look at the film, because when you're just
running for no reason, are you actually really running that fast?
But then Pat Brian in that case is running for
the end zone and nobody can catch up.

Speaker 2 (12:44):
I think that's I think that's a good point.

Speaker 3 (12:46):
And also in the NFL, I mean it's you know,
would you rather have for for too something?

Speaker 2 (12:53):
Speed? For sure, you really would.

Speaker 3 (12:56):
But the majority of plays, and I said this before,
or there's probably sixty percent of the starting receivers in
this league, the first three guys, so one hundred players, right,
thirty two teams their top three receivers. I've at sixty
percent of those one hundred guys, sixty probably run.

Speaker 2 (13:17):
Four or five five ish to four six five. They
all live in that category.

Speaker 3 (13:25):
Here's what they do because in the league, you can
be really really fast, and the windows are about this
big and I'm holding my two hands apart about a
foot that's how big the windows are. So you you
the majority of your catches, for the majority of guys
that play receiver in the NFL, are contested catches. They're

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going to be either fifty to fifty balls or you're
going to catch them with bodies all over you. You're
going to catch them in traffic. You're going to catch
them and immediately get like launched on the I mean
that's just so this guy, which I didn't know.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
A lot about before, the draft.

Speaker 3 (14:02):
But this guy looks like on film, he's he's got
the goods. And when you're head coach before you get
a snap as a pro says, he reminds me of
Michael Thomas. I think that's pretty high praise.

Speaker 4 (14:15):
And that's why teed nic Billan went number eight because
that separation speed, only a few people are gonna have it.
Not everybody's gonna be Tyreek Hill, and so you need
the guys have strong hands to have no problem going
up and get the ball, and no problem runn across
the middle to go get that first down for you.
It doesn't all have his doesn't always have to be
a big play, you know, just move the chains, and
that's what guys like that can do.

Speaker 2 (14:35):
This is our chance.

Speaker 1 (14:35):
And when one thousand dollars coming up the next five
minutes thanks to Maverick, it reminds me. By the way
narrow windows catching passes of this play.

Speaker 3 (14:43):
Takes a shotgun, snap drops three yards into the end zone,
loads it up deep, all down middle of Phillies, got
men's there.

Speaker 5 (14:48):
Grims Is Gone forty thirty twenty fifteen, ten high stepping
into the south end zone, touchdown, Denver, ninety three yards,
perfect strike, Oh Nicks to Marvin Mems.

Speaker 2 (15:07):
Small window, the way that you would think that Ryan
the ball.

Speaker 1 (15:17):
Bring on Nick Cosmider with the athletic Nick is always
great to catch up with you, Dave Logan, Ryan there
was to Shelby Harris, how are you man?

Speaker 6 (15:24):
I'm great? How are you guys doing great? Man?

Speaker 1 (15:27):
Uh So, let's let's start with the Nuggets. I mean,
what a win last night. I mean, certainly a little improbable,
if you will. Is there some sustainable things that they
did though, that you feel they can recreate in the
rest of the series.

Speaker 6 (15:41):
I think the most sustainable thing about this team is
just in a it's maybe hard to quantify and in
a really succinct way, but it's just this kind of
grit and championship mentality that they that they have that
you can you can really kind of tangibly see in
moments like last night. You know you're watching it, and

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you you just keep saying, man, like they it gets
to eleven or thirteen point deficit in the fourth quarter,
and it's just so easy to kind of say, you know,
it's it's it's not our nights. It's too too hot,
tough of a hill to climb from that point and
and they just never never give into that, They never

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let go of the rope. And I just think that
is going to be part that gives them the best
chance in this series, right because Oklahoma City is fast,
they have depths, Sga is a phenomenal player, they're well coached.
But but I just think that that that is something
that has been a little bit discounted. When you have
a team that just really has that championship kind of

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mindset and knowing what it takes, I think that's going
to be huge for them in this series.

Speaker 3 (16:46):
Yeah, Nick, you've you've covered the Nuggets and the Broncos,
but I want to ask you about the article in
particular the third round draft choice out of Illinois, Pat Bryant.
For those that haven't had a chance to read it,
it's in the Athletic and certainly a good good read.

Speaker 2 (17:00):
But what what.

Speaker 3 (17:01):
Couple of things did you find out about him that
maybe that not not too many people knew prior to
that article.

Speaker 6 (17:09):
Yeah, you know, it's interesting. He was coached at Illinois
last year by.

Speaker 7 (17:13):
Justin Stepp, who was Courtland Sutton's.

Speaker 6 (17:16):
Wide receivers coach at SMU for three years. They have
a really tight relationship, so much so that that Justin
named his son Courtland when he was born seven years ago.
That that's how close that they were. So for him,
you know, he said that he sees a lot of
similarities in the intangibles between Pat and Courtland, just kind
of guys who by their very nature, you know, really

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have kind of a humble way that they approached that
position and yet carry themselves with with a lot of confidence.
And you know, a lot of the things that Pat
Brian he gets looked at was was the speed right
the forty four point six to one at the combine.
That was part of the reason why he had, you know,
a fourth, fifth round projection, whatever it might have been.
But as Justin said, every time we like I have

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to have a moment, a clutch moment, like he's playing
faster than everybody at those times. And you see it
in this game winning touchdown against Rutgers where it's fourth
and thirteen. He gets over the middle, catches the ball
in the middle of the field with five defenders in
the frame, and kind of outruns everybody into the end zone.
Those were the kind of plays that he consistently made
during a really special year at Illinois a year ago,

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and so I think a lot of that the intangibles
is what the Broncos were able to kind of pull
out from their their kind of process into Pat Bryant
figuring out what he would be, and then just some
of the specific traits going to be more physical on
the edge, I think in this whether it's operating as
a big slot receiver or out in the perimeter, you know,
kind of a better blocker than the than they've had

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that they've needed to kind of add to that room.
So those are kind of just some of the things
that they saw in him that that gave them, you know,
kind of the confidence that is a third round pick,
top seventy five guy that he could make a pretty
big impact for this team, not only now but certainly
in the future.

Speaker 4 (18:59):
Here just you know, I was reading you know, actually
I saw your articles the other day about Denver Broncos
on drafted rookies and who has the best shot of
the twenty twenty five roster. I guess my question is,
I'm not necessarily who has the best shot at the roster,
who has the best shot of actually getting some playing
time of all the guys that have come in. Who
has the best shot of actually going out there on
Sundays and making the impact.

Speaker 6 (19:22):
That's a great question, is you know, like Shelby, it's
always like this this roster meth right, you've been in
that position, you're coming in, You're you're counting the numbers.
And I think a guy like Xavier Trust out of
Georgia just based on where the Broncos are built right now,
interior offensive line in my view is an area where
they could they could have upgrades. They certainly is an

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area where they have opportunity for somebody like him or
Clay Webb, a former five star recruiter, had originally committed
to Alabama, you know, then ended up at Jacksonville State
just because of Denver's needs in the interior, right Likeuke
Luke Wattenberg had a solid season at center, but I
think that want to continue to push him, and then
they've been really lucky with injuries. Ben Powers and Quinn

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Minors have both been really healthy. But I think they
want to continue to really evaluate the depth that they
have on the interior of the offensive line. And that's
why I look at a couple of those guys, you
know that they've signed, you know, could have been drafted players, right,
had those kind of grades that really probably have a
chance going in to potentially make this team. And in

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the event of any kind of injury, then could could
see could see the field this.

Speaker 2 (20:28):
Year, Cosmo, go ahead.

Speaker 4 (20:30):
So just we're real put the one off what you
just said, though obviously you're saying they want to you know,
shore up the inside on line. So then who would
be the man out? Because obviously they have two paid
guys right there and Quid and been Powers, and they
have Ottenburg at center and you just mentioned two guys
and and from what I've read, uh, you know zaber
trust has never played center before. So who do you

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who would be the man out?

Speaker 6 (20:55):
Well, I don't I don't see. I don't see either
of them is like competing to get one of those
starting spots necessarily, I because look, I think Alex Forsyth
continues to sort of be your your backup center, right,
you know, he played that position a little bit last year.
I think he's still in that backup role. But if
you're looking at then you know, beyond that, like a
guy like Nick Gardulo, who they drafted, you know, in

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the seventh round. I just think Shelby they want to
continue to evaluate the depth that they have behind those
starters on the offensive line, just continuing to build that pipeline.
I think they like what they're what they have in
the starting five and really throughout the board, right, left, tackle,
the right, all across the board. They have a chance
to bring back the exact same offensive line that they

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had a year ago, and I think they want to
do that. I just think that.

Speaker 1 (21:41):
You know, you you look at the depth.

Speaker 6 (21:43):
Behind them, and it's it's not even that these guys
will go win that spot. I just think that's kind
of the area where you say, all right, there's other
young players in the interior of the offensive line from
a reserve standpoint, that that those guys can be challenged
as they continue to try to upgrade the overall roster.

Speaker 1 (21:58):
N cosmoder from the Athletic Nick Cosmider on Twitter last
couple before he man always appreciate the time. I'll stay
with the Broncos for a second. How do you feel
like they did this offseason and surrounding bo Nix with
more talent?

Speaker 6 (22:11):
Yeah, I think obviously when you looked at it when
they went into free agency, the clear need and Sean
Payton said this over and over again, like helping bo
is helping helping the entire team right, helping a defense
get off on third down more frequently. And you know,
guys like Drake Greenlaw and tell Know Whufonga are proven
players at an elite championship type level. They've had those.

Speaker 7 (22:33):
Kind of credentials, and those were.

Speaker 6 (22:35):
Areas where you clearly said, look, Cody Barton, Justin Surnad
did a really nice job. They stilled in for Alex
Singleton's injury last year. But I think adding a guy
like green Law was a significant upgrade to that defense.
Of course, he's got to stay healthy, We've got to
see him on the field. And then Hufonga the same way. PJ. Locke,
I think was did a serviceable job.

Speaker 7 (22:54):
But they again, when you're trying to chase.

Speaker 6 (22:56):
Teams like the Buffalo Bills and the Kansas City Chiefs,
you have to keep adding, you know, to to to
every area of your team upgrade where you have the chance,
and so I think that was huge. And then obviously
Evan Ingram being the kind of security blanket on third down.

Speaker 7 (23:10):
Especially if they can stay a little.

Speaker 6 (23:12):
Bit more ahead of schedule in terms of the run
game this year, which that's going to remain to be seen.

Speaker 7 (23:17):
How much does our R. J.

Speaker 6 (23:19):
Harvey help that? Then I think they're gonna be in
more manageable third down situations where Evan Ingram will really
have a chance to create those mismatches and give bo
Nicks another outlet on third down. So I think on paper,
they certainly have you know, kind of fixed a couple
of questionable areas that will that will in turn help
bo Nix. But he's got to take a big step too.

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I think that's going to be really the ceiling of
the team hinges on how much of a step forward
he can he take. I do think what they've done
to help him will certainly ease that, you know, kind
of trying to combat that sophomore slump as teams gain
more film on him, have more counters for him. But
but I think they've done so far, you know, about

(23:59):
what you could have expected them to try to go
out and do in terms of helping him.

Speaker 1 (24:03):
Just very quickly, Nick, what do you think do you
think the Nuggets can survive this series? What's the ceiling
of this team right now?

Speaker 6 (24:11):
I just think they're playing They have a feel to
me of one of those teams that just is kind
of playing with this this belief, this edge that they
just really are going to be a very tough out
every night. Like it's just one of those teams that
you look at and you say, you know, how are
you going to be able to beat them? Four times?
And Nikole Jokis, man, he had forty something points and

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twenty two rebounds last night and didn't like, didn't even
look like he necessarily had his A plus game. This
is some shocks. He normally makes this a couple.

Speaker 7 (24:39):
Of free throws, but just still plays.

Speaker 6 (24:42):
At such a high level even when it's not like
necessarily his A plus game. And I think as they
continue to build around that, that they've just got this
belief that I'm it's hard to bet against them at
this point. I really think they have a chance in
this series.

Speaker 2 (24:56):
All I appreciate you, Nick, thanks so much.

Speaker 6 (24:58):
Man.

Speaker 1 (24:59):
All Right, so I thank what thanks in the cosmior
from the Athletic. I don't know, I certainly be more
optimistic after winning Game one about this series. Right, You
agree with everything you said there though, as far as
their mentality being sort of the shifting difference between the
depth of Oklahoma City.

Speaker 3 (25:15):
I've been trying to tell you this for months. You
just don't listen to me. I've been trying to hip you,
all right, there's no l in that right. Well, they're
trying to hip.

Speaker 1 (25:28):
You, but there's a there's a mentality. I mean, okay, fine,
I can't argue that.

Speaker 2 (25:32):
Did I not say?

Speaker 3 (25:33):
Now, listen, I'm having fun really, you know, I'm just
I'm having fun with you. But but Oklahoma City is
a really good team.

Speaker 2 (25:44):
Do they have a chance to win the series? They do?
They were.

Speaker 3 (25:48):
They were seven hundred, right seven, seven hundred to one
hundred favorite to win the series.

Speaker 2 (25:54):
Now it's down now to.

Speaker 3 (25:55):
Three hundred, but there's still a three to one favorite
to win the series. I just think, and I have thought,
and I've said it in the first hour.

Speaker 2 (26:02):
They've got it.

Speaker 3 (26:03):
They've got to prove to me that they've got the toughness,
the requisite toughness you have to have in the NBA,
the NFL, whatever.

Speaker 2 (26:12):
When the stuff.

Speaker 3 (26:14):
Gets a little thick, you got to have guys that
can kind of just you know what, they just sort
of crack their neck and say, I'm.

Speaker 2 (26:24):
Here for it. Right, whatever you got, let's let's see it.

Speaker 3 (26:28):
The Nuggets, to me, have exhibited that thing that Nick
talked about the last part of the regular season, and
so I think this is going to be. As I
said yesterday before Game one, I think it's going to
be a knockdown.

Speaker 2 (26:43):
Drag out, long, tough series.

Speaker 3 (26:46):
That I do think the Nuggets can find a way
to win it. The Nuggets will win. I'm telling you that.
I Oh, wait a minute, we didn't even talk about
James Harden.

Speaker 4 (27:00):
Right, well, no, see that's nothing gonna be bad before
but twenty and a half and then decide he did
didn't one score anymore?

Speaker 3 (27:07):
But oh, how about Game Seven's a guy?

Speaker 2 (27:12):
Whoa, whoa? How are you attaching him to me?

Speaker 6 (27:14):
Now?

Speaker 3 (27:15):
Same way I attached the Thunder and the Timberwolves situational?

Speaker 2 (27:19):
No, James.

Speaker 4 (27:20):
You know it's funny because obviously, like because I went
to Game seven, and that's Qui's team. Well one, that's
Kwi's team. That is his team. He runs the show,
he does what he needs to do. That's Kawi's team.
But talk about this Nuggets team though they I think
what everyone needs to realize is they played pretty They
actually really didn't play good basketball, and they still won

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that game.

Speaker 2 (27:42):
They can play a lot better.

Speaker 4 (27:43):
They can play, and that's the thing for how they
do play. They can play a lot better, and they
still won that game. And honestly, at points, I felt
like Oklahoma City.

Speaker 3 (27:49):
Was given their best and you know what, I'm right
there with you, and I thought it was interesting because
there was a camera in the locker room afterwards and
David Adaman was talking to his players.

Speaker 2 (27:58):
He pointed that out.

Speaker 3 (28:00):
They basically said that verbatim you said, it is a
great win. We know we can we know we can
play better, and that's comforting when you go play the
I mean, the best team in basketball record wise, they're
the top team. They'll have home court advantage if they
win this series, the next series, and then if they
win that one in the NBA Finals, they got.

Speaker 2 (28:21):
Home best team in basketball.

Speaker 3 (28:23):
When you can play and you know you didn't play
your best and yet you found a way to win
a game, that is huge.

Speaker 4 (28:31):
That's why right after the game was over, I'm like, oh,
you got to be worried. If you're a Thunder fan,
if you're a Thunder player, you gotta be worried because
that that ending, that ending, It just showed people that
you weren't ready for this stage. Honestly, you just weren't
ready for this stage. You didn't understand like this, the
analytics that cannot help you here. You got to go

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out there and play basketball. And you know, they just
didn't make good decisions and that's why they lost. And
the Nuggets have to be feeling like, all right, yeah,
you know we we we should have.

Speaker 2 (29:02):
We could have.

Speaker 4 (29:02):
If we would have played how we would have played,
we would have blown them out by twenty.

Speaker 1 (29:05):
There was that David Adelman sound in the locker room
is really good, actually real quick.

Speaker 6 (29:09):
I mean this.

Speaker 8 (29:10):
You don't always play your best in your way, but
we could play better than us.

Speaker 4 (29:13):
Rue.

Speaker 8 (29:13):
What I love about Man today the mentality of how
you play. Every time I sat down, I knew that
you knew for games atto we have a chance or
a situation, something that can happen here turn the top
and a lot of guys stepped up, Man, a lot
of guys, and you played for each other. And when
you do that, you give yourself a chance. Crazy happens
in the playoffs when you.

Speaker 5 (29:34):
Just stick to it.

Speaker 8 (29:35):
Stay together, right, news flash, play one game one day,
we come back in two days. With a chance to
go up to that's what we're gonna prepare the rest
of our bodies your writer want for Game two?

Speaker 3 (29:50):
Man inexperienced head coach. That's that's high level stuff. Sounds
like he's been there before. I was just gonna say
it sounds like he's definitely been there before. That he
has that.

Speaker 4 (30:01):
Man, it's that killer mentality of hey, we didn't really
do what we were supposed to do. We still got
to win, but hey, just wait till we start doing
what we're gonna do.

Speaker 1 (30:09):
He sounds like a head coach. He sounds like it.
I mean we were talking about before the series started,
before the playoffs started, Dave about what would David Adelman
and the Nuggets have to do for him to be
in the running for this.

Speaker 4 (30:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (30:22):
I remember the conversation we had.

Speaker 3 (30:25):
And I said, even if they win the series against
the Clippers, I don't necessarily think that assures that David
Adaman will be the regular coach or the head coach
moving forward. Now they got that series, now now they've
got Oak City. I think a large part of this

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will be determined based on who Josh Cronkey hires as
the GM and I think that that hire has to
happen first before you decide who your head coach is
going to be.

Speaker 2 (31:00):
I don't.

Speaker 3 (31:00):
I don't think you can hire a head coach or
tell David Adam and hey, we're going to give you
a four year deal as the head coach and then
go hire a new GM.

Speaker 2 (31:10):
I just think it has to work in reverse. And
depending on.

Speaker 3 (31:13):
Who that guy is, I think that will play a
huge role in who's the next head coach.

Speaker 4 (31:17):
I think if they win this series, he's going to
get the job, and what they're going to do is
they're gonna go to him and be like, who do
you think would be a good pairing?

Speaker 2 (31:25):
So you say would go the opposite way.

Speaker 4 (31:26):
Well, no, it's a matter of it's a mix of
boths because also you obviously you you don't want to
repeat of what happened before with Booth and Malone. That's
obviously created point. He created too much tension. So the
idea behind it is, especially if you win this series,
I don't. I think there's no question. I think he
gets the job because nobody you know, he's been they
were counted out before the series even started.

Speaker 2 (31:48):
That's a fantastic point.

Speaker 1 (31:49):
I mean it wouldn't even take if that, because that's
Western Conference Finals and whatever happens from there is is
gravy to a certain extent, right, And I mean maybe
we could even say, before Michael Malone was fired, like,
what was our expectation, Like I'm trying to put myself
in the mindset of the three or four games before
the postseason started, what was what was our expectation of
this team before Mike was fired?

Speaker 2 (32:11):
Well, you always said they were gonna lose first round.

Speaker 1 (32:14):
I did not say that. No, I did not say that.
I said they were gonna they were gonna bet the
Clippers in seven.

Speaker 6 (32:19):
That was my.

Speaker 1 (32:19):
Official Fisher prediction was was was Nuggets and seven. But
I did have them loseing to Oklahoma City.

Speaker 2 (32:27):
Well a lot of people did. Yeah, yeah, that's that's understandable.

Speaker 1 (32:31):
I think it's gonna be Oklahoma City in six? Now
is that is that better?

Speaker 4 (32:34):
So it was supposed to be okay, see them five before?

Speaker 6 (32:36):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (32:36):
Wait?

Speaker 2 (32:37):
Wait?

Speaker 3 (32:37):
Wait, so you think you think you think Nuggets win
only one more games and state dinner and fries.

Speaker 2 (32:45):
Do you like Brussels brass No?

Speaker 1 (32:48):
I actually hasty both orders feet.

Speaker 4 (32:53):
My wife loves brussels sprouts every time she orders them
with disgust.

Speaker 2 (32:57):
It's the smell, right.

Speaker 4 (32:58):
Yeah, it sounds like feet, That's really the main And
I'm a big smells person when I eat. That's why
I really don't like that much fish or I'm a
big smells person, and Brussels just don't do it.

Speaker 3 (33:08):
Okay, So you take all the brusselspruce, take all you
straight brussels.

Speaker 2 (33:12):
Do you do like the bacon or or just a
straight brussel like raw? He's not wrong, I'm saying, like
I've had raw.

Speaker 3 (33:19):
Yeah, I hated Brussels sprous as a kid, almost killed.
I mean, I didn't mean to, but I had to
sit until I ate all my Brussels sprouts. So I
reached up, took one down, put it down underneath, gave
it to the dog. Man That dog had a hard
time with that Brussels sprout. Dogs do not love Brussels
sprouse bro. They do not shoot it up and then

(33:42):
spit it out all over it. Man, I that was
not a good night for your friend me. Like, but
he threw off all over that under the table, and
then his parents are like, wait, what the hell, what's
going on here?

Speaker 1 (33:57):
Right in the middle of it must be sick, you say, Bambi.

Speaker 2 (34:02):
That was my that was my first dog, first dog.
My first dog was mister Jingles. Mister Jingles dog was
German shepherd.

Speaker 4 (34:11):
No, well yeah, German shep next for pitt. Do you
remember the Green.

Speaker 2 (34:15):
Mile the rat. Yeah, mister Ingles. Okay, mister Jingles.

Speaker 3 (34:20):
You can't have a dog named mister Jingles, and it
can't be a beagle. That's why. That's why I guess
German shepherd. And I didn't know that German mixed with
nice nice on the way.

Speaker 1 (34:31):
Moments ago, we did find out that Desmond Ritter is
going to be taking part in rookie Minicamp as a
vet tryout for the Broncos. So Desmond Ritter is going
to be here this weekend, and what a turn his
career is, right, I mean, there was a conversation and
again he didn't go in the first round. But I remember,
as we oftentimes talk about quarterbacks being pushed up on

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the board, he went to go second round, third round.

Speaker 2 (34:57):
Around.

Speaker 3 (34:58):
I think he I don't think he went round. I
think he may have gone third.

Speaker 4 (35:03):
Round picks seventy fourth pick, but man like he was
in a we thought a good situation in Atlanta where
he would eventually be able to go and play, and
it just never materialized really anything. And so it's just
like the Trey Lance situation where you hope that eventually
they can kind of get their careers going, even though
I bet Desmond Riders had more games than NFL than

(35:25):
Trade Lance at this point. And that's the thing, and
that's true. I know I've talked about this before, but
it blows my mind the lack of accountability of the
forty nine ers of GOFFA never trying to develop Trey
Lance because when he got drafted, the whole knock was
that he needed time. He needed the time to play.
They never gave it to him. And then they never
really got any slacked for trading what whether two or

(35:46):
three first round picks to move up to get them
because it worked out because they had Brock Purty. But
you know, Trey Lance really never gotten a real shot.

Speaker 2 (35:55):
In the league.

Speaker 1 (35:56):
They he's playing in Canada now.

Speaker 4 (35:58):
No, he signed to the Charges back a charge He's.

Speaker 2 (36:00):
A charger charg Yeah, okay, Well, Trey.

Speaker 4 (36:03):
Lanso is a guy that we all know has a
cannon for an arm, can run and can do a
lot of so so this needs time to time to develop.
But in the day and age of the NFL now,
he's just not going to get that. And you know
how quick we are to move off of first round
picks the second round pick. Now, he doesn't have any
of those politics on his side, and that's why we're
even seeing these people talk about him going to Canada

(36:24):
doing this. But you know, hopefully everything can work out
for him.

Speaker 1 (36:28):
I am according to this texture of the Brussels Sprouts
of sports talk radio.

Speaker 2 (36:32):
Well, so according to day, that's a good thing. I
like Brussels Spruss. We got that as a drop forever.
I like that. Yeah, we can, we come back.

Speaker 1 (36:40):
We're gonnae some more sound from last night's big Nuggets win.

Speaker 2 (36:43):
Don't go anywhere.