05-06-25 KOA Sports Hour 3 with Shelby Harris

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Shelby Harris, Dave Logan, Ryan Edwards, as we are on.

Speaker 2 (00:03):
Until six o'clock.

Speaker 1 (00:04):
No Rockies baseball, as that game was postponed and you
just to look outside to know why. And they'll play
a traditional double header on Thursday, tomorrow night's game. I
think it's gonna be just fine, traditional level header, double
header on Thursday, and that'll basically take up from I
think twelve thirty till probably seven, I would imagine something
like that. So, hey, good day of baseball, Good day

(00:25):
of baseball. How are your brews doing.

Speaker 3 (00:27):
We're pretty middle of the pack right now. We're starting
to get some of our guys back off the io.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
But you know, it's you're eighteen and eighteen. You're literally
literally we killed Freezer.

Speaker 3 (00:39):
The bruise a struggling right now because all their pitching
is on il still y. You know, Wildrif is still
on his way back.

Speaker 2 (00:45):
Nobody really cares. I just was asking.

Speaker 3 (00:47):
Sexy Legs and Sexy Nasty is on his way back soon.

Speaker 1 (00:50):
So yeah, yeah, well again, we would kill for eighteen
and eighteen at this point, you.

Speaker 2 (00:54):
Better hope you get eighteen this year. Stop. It's how
dare you? How dare you? Well, you've got four wins
and a month. Are you sure?

Speaker 3 (01:01):
Are you?

Speaker 2 (01:02):
Are you? Aren't you trying to get back into good
graces here? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:05):
But I want them to actually. I So here's my
thinking when it comes to Rockies. I've said this before Colorado,
and like Denver, myself is not the same. When the
Rockies are bad, I want them to be a better team.
They will be, I hope.

Speaker 1 (01:19):
So long enough timeline, the Rockies will be good again
in our lifetime.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
In our lifetime, I believe. I know they believe. I believe.
We believe. Yes, you believe.

Speaker 1 (01:31):
Long enough timeline, the Rockies are going to be just fine.

Speaker 4 (01:39):
I mean it's happened before. It's been a while. I
don't know, Man six and twenty eight.

Speaker 2 (01:47):
Yeah, that's tough.

Speaker 3 (01:49):
But just look at it as a fan that hurts,
like that hurts because I watch anytime the Brewers are
on TV, I watch it, and so I've only under
you know, imagine how Rockies fans are, like, You're watching
this team struggle this bad and there's really no hope
in sight.

Speaker 1 (02:10):
But if you sweep the Tigers coming up in this series,
if a cow jumped over the moon, I've read that
story to my kids. It's a good one, great story.
It's really good, a lot of detail, the hug. It's
a huge win. Last night, we haven't really talked in
depth about how great Aaron Gordon is. I know a
lot of the conversation tends to be around Nicole Joki, justifiably,

(02:33):
but I thought this was a great moment last night
with David Adelman as he was talking about what Aaron
Gordon means to this team.

Speaker 5 (02:39):
I told them there just their mentality. They was consistent throughout.
I really mean that, even in the timeouts. You know,
you get down ten, you get down twelve, you know
the swings in the game. I never felt any like
anybody waivers. And that doesn't mean you're gonna win the game.
But we all know in the NBA playoffs these games
are so long and you just try to get yourself

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a chance. And we did that, and we played out possessions.
I thought we were much more patient offensively those last
six minutes to get a good shot up each time down,
Like even Rust's shot in the corner.

Speaker 2 (03:11):
I know they were pre rotating. Nicola.

Speaker 5 (03:13):
You got to take the best shot possible, and he
took it. So and I thought our defensive intensity was
good in the fourth quarter, and Aaron's gonna be a
hero again. But I'm also looking at fourteen rebounds, so
I'm looking at twenty two points. I'm looking at ball
hand responsibilities, leadership. He is a Denver nugget man like
he is the soul of our team. So cool to

(03:35):
see him have two moments that no one'll ever forget.

Speaker 2 (03:38):
And he brought his nephews up to the podium. Yeah,
oh my.

Speaker 3 (03:41):
God, gat great, great. You can't help but root for
that man. You can't help but root for Aaron Gordon
after everything that he's been through this year and just
the way that he's handled it so professionally, and just
you know, you're hearing the stories about how he's stepping
up as and uncles because of his brother's death and
and really being that male figure for his nephews and

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and just you know, specifically as just as a black man.
It's just kudos to him because you know, there are
kids to have that void in their life and he's
out there really feeling it and showing them, you know,
what male love is. And I think that's something a
lot of people struggle with because you know, especially our
parents and our grandpa. You know, it was hard for
men to show show love, and so now it's like

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for those kids to be seeing that from their uncle.
It's special and so always you know, cool, like hats
off to the Aaron Gordon. But then it's just it's
just karma is karma. He's being a great person, he's
doing what he's supposed to do, and it's translating to
his professional life.

Speaker 1 (04:39):
Too perfectly said man, I'm glad you pointed that out. Yeah,
I'm glad you pointed that out. And the thing about
it is you have to have certain personality types as
well on a championship team. Nicola Jokic is a bit
of a different kind of elite player.

Speaker 2 (04:57):
Right.

Speaker 1 (04:57):
Most of the time in the NBA, if you're one
of those guys, you're a bit of a look at
me guy. But Nikola Jokich is the opposite of that
almost every single way. You almost seems shy with the spotlight,
even though as dominant as he is. And then you
have Jamal Murray, who I think does talk a little
bit of trash. Certainly, Russell Westbrook talks trash, but Eron
Gordon is just he's kind of like the engine and
he said the soul.

Speaker 2 (05:17):
Right. I thought that was so perfect.

Speaker 1 (05:19):
Here's the cool ocus byably talking about Aaron Gordon and
why he's his favorite teammate he's ever had.

Speaker 6 (05:24):
Joker, You've called Aaron one of your five favorite teammates
in your career before the best, you said the best fire,
your best.

Speaker 7 (05:31):
It was like making top five, top five of money,
career in life whatever his name.

Speaker 6 (05:36):
Sure, and now since that comment, you've seen him hit
two game winners in the playoffs. Is it awesome seeing
seeing that moment for what others have called the soul.

Speaker 5 (05:44):
Of the team.

Speaker 7 (05:45):
Yes, I mean, uh, he had a big frows before that,
so he made both of them. Uh, he had the
big box on the CARUSO I think was it. Uh.

Speaker 2 (05:57):
He made a.

Speaker 7 (06:01):
Really big shot for us and he deserves it. He's,
like I said, he's a soul of this team. He's
a glue guy. He's probably doesn't give them much respect
that he deserves, but I think he doesn't need attention,
so he knows what he's doing.

Speaker 2 (06:14):
So I'm happy for him. Yeah, we talked about it, Dave.

Speaker 1 (06:17):
When the sorry the Nuggets made the trade for Aaron Gordon,
he was used to being the star down there in Orlando.
He had to come here and reinvent himself in a
lot of ways, or to fit in with what Nikola
Yokich does and to fit in with the culture of
what this team is built around.

Speaker 4 (06:31):
Yeah, I think his story is really unusual and one
that is so worth pointing out with athletes today, especially
professional athletes, but even on the lower levels college, in
high school. He I mean, he has been a selfless,
hard working guy that doesn't care that he's not scoring

(06:56):
twenty seven points per game, doesn't care that he's maybe
not getting as many shots.

Speaker 2 (07:02):
He has found.

Speaker 4 (07:04):
What his role needs to be to best benefit this
edition of the Nuggets team. And he's done that ever
since he got here. I mean, as you said, Ryan,
he was and he was a big time scorer. I
mean had his hands on the ball all the time.
He was kind of the primary, one of the two
primary scorers for the Magic. And you know, in a

(07:24):
lot of instances, you have guys that are gonna mope
and bitch and body language you to death and just.

Speaker 2 (07:30):
Or asked to be traded.

Speaker 4 (07:32):
But that's that's not uh, that's not Aaron Gordon. So man,
I have a lot of respect for that guy and
uh and and just how he's gone about his craft.
And when you hear Jokic say what he did about him,
I think that's that's a that's a comment that comes
from the heart that there's a lot of love you.
You can just feel it when the Joker talks about
Aaron Gordon.

Speaker 3 (07:53):
The Thunder were missing Aaron. Aaron Gordon absolutely no guy
that you know went up there and who has immensely
and improved his free throw shooting and went up there,
like the Joker said, hit those two huge free throws
even get him in his position in the first place.
He's literally doing exactly what the Thunder couldn't do. And

(08:14):
the thing you love about Aaron Gordon is he doesn't
shy away from the big bowman. And but it's not
all about him though, and he even knows that. And
I just I just love the type of teammate that is, like,
you know, it seems like Aaron Gordon is because that's
the type of guy that you'd want to go to
war with every day. And it's it's it's nothing more
empowering than having that feeling in that locker room and

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and those guys are playing for each other because at
that point, after Michael Malunge got fired, all you have
is each other in a sport that can become so individualized.
The Nuggets actually banded together and have been going through
these trials together and that's why you see the results
of how you know, just like how they had it
in Game one.

Speaker 1 (08:54):
So certainly expectations for Aaron Gordon the rest of the series.
You just got to continue to do what he's doing
on right. A lot of hustle players, yet that off
you know, that defensive rebound where he was on the
ground holding onto the ball, got the time out and
was so clutch, huge, huge play obviously.

Speaker 2 (09:09):
The defensive side of the ball.

Speaker 1 (09:10):
You know, he does the one thing you look at
this series that it's gonna be fascinating. And we touched
on at the beginning of the show. Dave is Michael
Porter Jr. And I'm not trying to have a negative conversation.
It's just an understanding. You're eight deep right now, like
that's what you're running. Last night, pe Watt, Russell, Westbrook,
Julian Strather off the bench, Porter Junior played twenty four minutes.
He got two points, four rebounds, you know, stealing the

(09:32):
block in there, man. I mean, he's doing everything he can.
But can you sustain a certain amount of this with
maybe the same mentality you did last night, whereas, Hey,
the fourth quarter, that's gonna be rough time. We're just
gonna have Westbrook in there, and he's gonna play the
majority of that time.

Speaker 4 (09:46):
Well, you you'd like Himpja to to be able to
physically be anywhere close to what he's been in terms
of being able to knock down shots. I mean, I
get the guy credit because he's playing through I think
a significant shoulder injury again in the NBA, and so

(10:07):
I think that anything you sort of get from him
you consider gravy. But I think the bigger issue last
night was David Adelman's willingness to take him out of
the lineup in the fourth quarter. And I don't know
for sure if Michael Malone would have done that. I
looked at one time in the court, you got Watson
out there, you got Strawther. Watson hit a Watson hit

(10:30):
a big three porner from the corner. When the Nuggets
were down eight in the fourth, Strawther had a driving layup.

Speaker 2 (10:37):
I don't know if either one.

Speaker 4 (10:38):
Of those guys would have got significant time, right, And
I think Adamman is maybe a little more inclined to
play some of those guys sparingly, but just enough that
he can give some of those of the main dudes
the horses, just to give him a breather or two.
So you'd like MPG to return to even close to

(10:59):
what his ability is. I'm not sure we're going to
see that this season.

Speaker 3 (11:03):
Yeah, And I don't If I was the nuggetsman, I
would think about maybe even sending him a little bit
more because at this point, you know, you're putting it
on film and they're going and the other the thunder
are eventually going to start tacking him and forcing him
to actually have to play and forcing him to just
use more than one arm, and it doesn't seem like
he can't and it's not like and what you have
to respect, and I think what all athletes out you know,

(11:25):
everywhere will will respect is that he's fighting, he's trying,
he's doing everything he can to try to play. It's
his bodies is not you know, his bodies is not responding.

Speaker 1 (11:34):
Yeah, they're ripping it on the broadcast last night. I'm like,
you guys know, like what he's out there dealing with, right.

Speaker 3 (11:40):
He's trying, he's fighting and and and it's funny because
after all the crap, you know, people have been talking
and when you know the trade, Oh we should get
rid of him in all season this, and that he's
still going out there busting his butt trying. And so
I've all the respect in the world for Michael put
a junior because you know, you're a basketball player and
your shoulders messed up, you know what I mean, you

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your arms have to be above your head most of
the time. And he's trying to find a way. And
if they still feel like he's helping the teams and
didn't leave him out there. But for me, if I
was the opposing to your coach, I'm going right out
of them.

Speaker 1 (12:13):
So is it more minutes for Peyton Watson or Julius
Strather because I think Russ's Russ's role is kind of
defined at.

Speaker 3 (12:19):
This point, I would say Peyton, Yeah, Peyton wanted because
he's actually been playing some good basketball. He's hit a
bunch of big threes from the Plaper series and yesterday,
so he's hitting some shots.

Speaker 2 (12:31):
He had a couple of big blocks last night too,
and that's why.

Speaker 3 (12:33):
So you would like a young guy that he's who's hungry,
he's out there trying to put him so Judy Strather,
he went out there, he did good for the little bit.
He had his layup and you know he's giving you
a hustle minutes and everything. But I would just say,
I would say Peyton wants it. I think that's the
guys that would have to take some of those minutes
away from MPJ. But man, I just here's the here's

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where I guess the question is is when will he
be healthy?

Speaker 2 (13:00):
Well?

Speaker 3 (13:00):
Won't It won't be this, That's what I'm saying, because okay,
you're barely getting by this this series. You're still okay.
The next series is the Western Conference Finals, and then
the series that does is the NBA Finals. So when
would you ever find time to actually get healthy? Or
is this the literally the best you're going to be.

Speaker 1 (13:19):
That's it. I think it is the best you're going
to be. I mean, you're a big Pawatt fan, Peyton
Watson fan, their dave. I mean, would you lean on
to me? Played fifteen minutes last night? I think I
think you he can give you. He can give you
a good energy and defense.

Speaker 4 (13:34):
He's capable of knocking down a shot occasionally, what you
can't have him do. After he hit the three pointer
that I alluded to, the Nuggets get to stop on
the other end. They came down and he tried to
beat his defender off the dribble, wound up pulling up
for a contest at about thirteen foot jump shot. So

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the Nuggets were really good last night at the key
time of the game, in the fourth quarter when they
were down at moving the ball and forcing Oklahoma City
to the way they play defense, to play defense for
the shot clock. Right when you've got a team that
is explosive as Oklahoma City, it's okay if you want
to use some of the shot clock and make those

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jokers move their feet and play defense for a lot
of the twenty four second shot clock.

Speaker 2 (14:22):
So I think I think Peyton.

Speaker 4 (14:25):
Has an inclination at times to get a little bit,
you know, a little bit out of what he should
be doing. But he's an explosive athlete. He'll play good defense.
He can get a key block at the rim. He's
that guy you just have to You can't right now

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in this stage of his career, I don't think I
could play too much, but given where the roster is,
you've got to plaim enough.

Speaker 2 (14:53):
Again, you get some of your guys, some rest hundred percent.

Speaker 1 (14:56):
Well, looking forward to tomorrow Knight's game, I don't know
if I saw it earlier, but our guy Alex Singleton
said that he thinks the Broncos could be not only
the best defense in the league. Sorry, Shelby, I know
that Cleveland is still playing football, but he said that
these things that they could be as good, if not
better than the twenty fifteen defense.

Speaker 3 (15:17):
That's a bold claim right there.

Speaker 2 (15:18):
It's the bold claim. That's a bold class.

Speaker 1 (15:21):
So so for taking it out of that being one
of the all time Broncos defenses for just a second.

Speaker 2 (15:28):
Not all time Bronco, all time NFL defense defense?

Speaker 1 (15:33):
What is the in eur opinion, what's the makeup of
a defense like that?

Speaker 2 (15:37):
What? Like? What are the markers of it? That's more interesting?

Speaker 3 (15:39):
Well, it's funny because actually this different Bronco team actually
does have premium a lot of the same markers as
you know the twenty fifteen team does you know they
have great outside rushers, they have good inside rushers, and
you know that's literally what's the same from the same teams.
You know, you had a bond you got to wear
and you have Coop and you got and you have
but either I'm not saying unncessarily or on Vonn and

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d Ware's level, but you have production there and then
you have the inside guys. You have DJ Jones, you
have Zach Allen, you have Roach. You have guys that
go in there and play. It's like you had Wolf,
you have Bilie Jackson before and then at dB you
have you your dB. Now you have the first round
pick Baron coming in there. But then you also have

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uh chance to and then you have Brody Moss. You
have to have guys, yeah exactly, you have guys that
can go and so it's not far off saying it.
But that two thousand and fifteen team didn't say that
they went out there and improved it every week. And
it's easy to say that, you know, oh, we're gonna
go out there and repeat because look at us in
Cleveland two years ago. We had a top three defense.

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Last year bottom ten, and not many things to change.
You have to go out there. When it comes to defense,
you have to go out You have to go out
there every year, every game improve it. And I'm not
saying that Alex isn't saying that they're going to go
out to improve it. But you know, it's you know,
when you look at paper, everything everything looks great, but
when that when the when those boats start flying, you

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really find out.

Speaker 2 (17:04):
Who you really are. What do you think about that, Dave?

Speaker 1 (17:06):
I mean, on paper, this does look like a great
defense health permitting, certainly because you have a couple of
guys that you added in free agency that we're gonna
be betting on their health.

Speaker 2 (17:17):
How good can this defense be? I don't know.

Speaker 4 (17:19):
I uh, I think what Shelby said is true. I mean,
you you you, you know. On paper, is just that
it looks good. And I think it's also okay for
Alex to be excited about how it looks like it's
shaping up. I hope he's going to be healthy and
ready to go. It'll be a bout a year off

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that acl surgery, so they need him. I think I
think what Singleton has proven this he is he's a
playmaker inside, and this team has added a couple of
other playmakers, maybe three playmakers if.

Speaker 2 (17:52):
You talk about draft choices included.

Speaker 4 (17:54):
So yeah, I like how they look on paper, But
we're gonna have to wait and see it's you get
into it. It's a long season. How do you hold up?
I mean, does the locker room come together? And I
thought the twenty fifteen Broncos team, since we're talking about
the defensive side, and you had a whole bunch of

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playmakers on that defense, and guys that understood their roles,
accepted them, relished them, relished in them, and.

Speaker 2 (18:28):
You know, found ways to win games.

Speaker 1 (18:31):
The Timberwolves Warriors and I will talk about that game
here in just a little bit. I want to finish
off this conversation that we were talking about the Broncos
defense and sort of their expectations. I like what you said,
Shelby about the year and year out defense, and it's
how it's really kind of hard to carry over even
if you have returning players. It's hard to carry over
elite level of play every single year.

Speaker 3 (18:52):
Yeah, because people figure you out. That's a big part
of what these coaches jobs are are to try to
figure out, hey, how can we attack this defense. Hey
we might not have seen this when we played them,
but were watching their film. Okay, oh well, you know
when the tight end does a corner route, the linebacker
gets too wide and so it actually is open in
the middle of the field, you know what I mean.

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It's little things like that where teams are always and
just like the offenses and a defense always trying to
get better. Offenses are always trying to get better, and
so if you're not improving yourself ear in and year out,
then you're gonna fall behind. And that's why it's so
hard to be a consistently good defense gear in and
gear out. And that's why I always loved even when

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we did in Denver on those years when I was here,
we always were a top ten defense every year. But
we went out there and we worked for it every week,
every day at practice, they're in all throughout camp. We
worked on ours off for it, and so you know,
it's something extremely hard to do, and honestly, I believe
that the ones that can do it, it's more respect

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to them because that means they went in and they
put in the work, and they had the bulls on
their back and they still went out there and performed.

Speaker 1 (20:01):
The one thing I might offer is a reason why
to support Alex Singleton's hope is that they were going
to be in that same category as one of the
all time NFL defense are all time Broncos defense is
maybe the expectation of the offense. The Broncos offense this year,
coming year will be better. They averaged twenty five points
per game last year with Bonix and his rookie season.

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The twenty fifteen team averaged twenty two point two points
per game. By the way, the defense that year, the
twenty fifteen only gave up fourteen point one points per game.

Speaker 2 (20:34):
That's just the same.

Speaker 4 (20:36):
Yeah, And we were talking during a break it is.
I mean, it's it's ten years later, so the game
has evolved. There's more scoring I think nowadays than there
was back in twenty fifteen. That's not at all to
diminish what that defense accomplished because you're talking about that
was one.

Speaker 2 (20:55):
Of the great certainly that year.

Speaker 4 (20:57):
I mean, that was one of the great defenses in
the tree of this franchise that dates all the way
back to nineteen sixty, right, So I mean, can this
team can the defense of the Broncos in twenty twenty
five approach the level of success that the team in
twenty fifteen had.

Speaker 2 (21:18):
Two things.

Speaker 4 (21:18):
One, when you look at that season, in totality, and
it was it was glorious because they found a way
to you know, have home playoff games, win home playoff games,
go to the Super Bowl, go to Santa Clara, and
they played a team that they were five and a
half point underdog and they wind up winning the game.
So but you go back and look at those games.

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Of the of the regular season games they had twelve
of those, twelve of the wins were one score wins
for the Broncos, And so that team had a mindset
that no matter what happens, we're finding a way to win,
you know, and that is that's powerful even at the

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level of the NFL.

Speaker 2 (22:02):
That is powerful stuff.

Speaker 4 (22:04):
And it literally, I don't think it's sustainable like for
a four or five year period, but it literally can
carry you through a season where everybody in the locker
room is like, listen, we'll find a way. Somebody's gonna
make a play, and it just it just that's just
how it works.

Speaker 2 (22:24):
And it was that way for that team.

Speaker 1 (22:25):
So he has more than anything, it's that belief within
the culture of the team that more than whatever numbers
the defense, because they said a franchise record last year
in sacks like I mean, they were elite defense up front.
But more than anything you're saying, that's more the culture
concept of the team together, including.

Speaker 2 (22:45):
Especially in the game, has changed. Two, it has.

Speaker 3 (22:48):
The game has changed too, and that's why you're gonna
see it. You know, the next couple years, you're gonna
see every defense set to the record in sacks because
we're throwing the ball a lot more in the game,
you know what I mean. Like, like I said before,
we've changed from the game where first and second down,
you know it's gonna be run third downs the only
time between pass. Now it could they could literally throw
all four downs, you never know. Like, so the game

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has changed, but also offensive lines have gotten worse, and
I just think that's something that isn't you know, necessarily
talked about enough about how college old linemen are coming
into the NFL and they're not even close to being
ready yet, not even close to being being able to play.
And so that's why you've seen these older guys being
able to play for a little bit longer because the
young guys just already they're not teaching them real fundamentals.

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And also is it a product. I'm gonna go down
this little rabbit hole. Is this the product of, you know,
the transfer portal in I l well with people. If
I'm not playing this year, let me go transfer here,
your transfer, your transfer here. So you're getting four years
of different coaching and so then by the time you
get to the NFL, you're not as developed as somebody
that got consistently coached by this SEC, like a certain

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technique for four years.

Speaker 2 (23:54):
That's interesting and so it's it's a different game.

Speaker 3 (23:56):
And you know nowadays there is no competition, and you
know in the online is this a matter of am
I going to play?

Speaker 2 (24:05):
Nor transport of it? Is well for the longest time.

Speaker 1 (24:09):
And that's an interesting point because for the longest time
we talked about the deterioration of offensive line play due
to CBA restrictions. Right the newer cbas have less practice time,
So maybe there is something to that.

Speaker 2 (24:19):
Dave, what do you think?

Speaker 4 (24:21):
I think probably both of those things are true. I
think right now, if you look at the NFL, and
I think we've seen I think we've seen some of
the fundamentals of good football decline in the NFL over
the last two handfuls of years, or maybe even a
handful plus. Now you still have the best athletes in

(24:42):
the world, and so you're going to see a lot
of great football, for sure.

Speaker 2 (24:46):
But I think two things here.

Speaker 4 (24:50):
One, as you said, the CBA, you can have full
padded practices. I think it's fourteen times in the entire
regular season once the regular season starts and they're seventeen games,
so it's less than once a week you can put
guys in full pass.

Speaker 2 (25:06):
Most teams don't even go, that's right, they don't.

Speaker 4 (25:09):
The second thing is I think the league, and it's
been this way for a while, the league is full
of some really good coaches, but the league is not
set up for the majority of those coaches to be teachers.
They really don't want to work on the fundamentals of

(25:31):
that particular position. If they're a position coach, what they
work on is the concepts that you're trying to run right,
And so I think the really good and there's some
NFL coaches that are like just what I said, but
there are some also that are still teachers. They teach
the fundamentals, They work on the little things, the little
important things in terms of you know, and I played

(25:53):
wide receiver, your stance, how you get out of your stance,
if you've got press, how you use your hands, I mean,
how you set up routes, how you stack a defensive
back once you get a good release point, all those things.
I think NFL coaches have to be better at really

(26:14):
working on the fundamentals. And the reality of it is
those guys spend sixteen hours a day in the season
watching film and doing just that.

Speaker 2 (26:24):
So it's not like they don't want to.

Speaker 4 (26:26):
It's just you got to decide what's important to the
success of your team every single week moving forward.

Speaker 1 (26:33):
Is that what you're saying for you on the defensive line,
that's pretty consistent.

Speaker 3 (26:37):
Yeah, honestly, it's you know, it's tough for you just
really have to focus on what you can control and
go out there and perform based off of what you
can do. But I just think one thing that you know,
it's always a tough conversation though, just because it's really

(26:58):
up to your opinion, you know what I mean. It's
a tough place to really, you know, put your hat
because you've seen things go both ways. So I don't know,
it's it's more of something where I just feel that, well,
if we were to necessarily try to make a concrete
statement on it. It's not really then we're gonna get
proven wrong. It's something that's gonna get proved wrond next year.

(27:22):
But then it's just O line. This is such a
man because it's such a hard position to coach, because
I've seen crappy coaches in the NFL. I've seen great
coaches in I've literally seen I've seen them all and
and so. But then I see guys that come from
crappy organized like crappy college places and have great technique
and go out there and and do everything in the
right way. Or I see guys that come from Notre

(27:44):
Dame under you know it was it was they have
this one O line coach, Uh, He staying because actually
it's friend. I went to school with his son, and
his son ended up actually being my assistant D line
coach when I was here in Denver. Mike Hey's standing
now he's for the Chargers, but he always say all
his guys always came out great technique. Hes got to

(28:04):
coach Quentin Neilson. But I just think that when it
comes to O line, though, it's so up and down,
you never really can It's hard to try to pinpoint
one thing that's going to change to fix everything. But
I do believe that the majority of line coaches are
pretty bad.

Speaker 4 (28:22):
You know what, He's not alone with that belief there
with people that you know, have either been of the
league or cover the league or whatever. I think there's
a general feeling that offensive line teaching is not nearly
as good as it once was. And I've had former
NFL coaches now, you know, you sort of balance like, okay,

(28:47):
is this are you bitter about this? You're not in
the league now. A couple of these guys are retired.
Is that they get off my grass sort of syndrome.
But I've heard just what Shelby said more than just
a couple of time with respect to offensive line play.

Speaker 3 (29:02):
It's about it's a good old, good old boys league.
You know what I'm thinking about everybody's you know, just
say you become offensive coordinator, you're bringing all your friends
with you. That doesn't necessarily mean they're the best coaches.
Remember when Gary Kubiak and they will talk about bringing
Gary Kubiak back with Vic first signed here as a
as a head coach, and they were talking about bring
Gary Kubiak back into OC. But then he wanted to
bring back two of the guys that they had already fired,

(29:24):
and they're like, no, this is not gonna work.

Speaker 2 (29:26):
We fired him already.

Speaker 3 (29:27):
But that's that's the thing, is like people, you know,
people are loyal to their friends and they're going to
bring their friends wherever they need to go, and so
that doesn't necessarily And that's and when you understand that,
you're realized in general that you know, the idea that
you get to the NFL you're just gonna get the
best coaching, it's simply.

Speaker 2 (29:42):
Just not true. It's just a remarkables. I think for
a lot of fans.

Speaker 1 (29:46):
You you do think about it in terms of this
is the elite level, this is pro football when you
have the best of in everything. But yep, it's a
great point. I mean, I think that that gets overlooked
a lot. That's really fascinating stuff. How's it going, It's
going great? Man, how's uh make your Cavaliers looking pretty good?

Speaker 8 (30:05):
Well, I mean tonight my Cavaliers, Just for tonight Cavaliers.

Speaker 2 (30:10):
You know, it's so weird, so so far.

Speaker 1 (30:12):
And then this game obviously is this is Game two,
but the road teams, the Nuggets, the Pacers, and last
sight the Knicks. Yeah, road teams, all road teams, three
and zero.

Speaker 3 (30:23):
Well we didn't even get to talk about this, But
how the hell did you go into a playoff game
and mis's forty five three pointers? What do you think that?
Maybe stop shooting it? That's what I do credit to
the Nuggets for they said, you know what, this isn't working,
Let's go to the hoop. You know at bobos of
the Celtics never figured that out.

Speaker 4 (30:39):
They were fifteen for sixty, Like, but is what is this?

Speaker 2 (30:45):
Is this shoot or shoot? The math says keep shooting.

Speaker 3 (30:47):
But I guess the issue is is like is this
really what the NBA product has turned into?

Speaker 1 (30:52):
Ye?

Speaker 2 (30:52):
Yes, yes, upset, Yeah for sure.

Speaker 8 (30:54):
Dantoni switched the whole game up with pace and then
they once they started spacing it out, realized the three point.

Speaker 2 (30:58):
The math justay, keep shooting the three.

Speaker 3 (31:01):
This is an ugly, ugly product. Because I'm telling you
that's hout this game. It looked like it looked like
a red game when everyone's trying to like prove to
each other.

Speaker 2 (31:10):
I could hit you got guys, shout of names you
never heard of.

Speaker 4 (31:14):
There's three best players, right, I mean Brown was one
for ten Tatum wasn't a lot better? And who is
the third? Was it Derek White?

Speaker 2 (31:27):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (31:27):
Hey, but what about Jalen. I have not seen anyone
put Drew Holliday in a blender like that.

Speaker 2 (31:34):
Dude looks like Kyler Murray and then he looks like
Kyler Murray.

Speaker 3 (31:37):
Yeah, I have not seen you because you know, obviously
I'm a huge you know, Drew Holliday fan. Love the
way he plays defense. One of the only people to
actually give full effort on defense. But man, Jalen Brunson
was having him all the way turned around and.

Speaker 4 (31:53):
Bruston is so he's crafty, he can shoot it. But
I think one of the qualities of his game that
goes a bit underappreciated.

Speaker 2 (32:01):
He's strong. Body guys off him. So so it's kind
of like how s. G.

Speaker 3 (32:09):
A plays, But I feel like Jalen Brunson just does
it in a way that is it's just a little
I love the way Jayalen Brunson plays. It's fun to watch,
but it's just the way he uses his body to
get space because he's not the tallest guy, but he'll
get his body into and then bounce back out and
then literally have open shots, it's smooth.

Speaker 2 (32:31):
You like the Knicks in the series all of a sudden.

Speaker 3 (32:33):
I never said that. Someone said, hey, now the series
is going to go to five. But my biggest thing
is I just think the Boston's not the team necessarily
that we are.

Speaker 2 (32:47):
We can't crownd them already.

Speaker 3 (32:49):
I agree, this is not a team that we're just
going to be like, oh, they're going to just go
blow everybody up. No, But also this is what this
will be the last year we see this Boston Suzzics team.
The whey they are up, they got they have to.
They're they literally have five guys making over twenty million dollars.
That tax is going to be ridiculous, and they can't
do anything because they're obviously they're capped out right now.

Speaker 1 (33:11):
Yep, what do you think if you think Nicks give
them a chance in this one?

Speaker 4 (33:17):
I mean, I think Celtics will win that series. I
think the Knicks are going to have to win another
game in Boston in the Garden, because I do think
Boston will win a game at least one game at
Madison Square Gardens.

Speaker 2 (33:29):
So I just like the Knicks.

Speaker 4 (33:31):
I've liked them more since Thibodeau has been there, but
they've been more so last year than this year.

Speaker 2 (33:38):
A defensive minded team.

Speaker 4 (33:40):
I think they have some grit to them and toughness,
and they could have folded. I mean, I was driving
home last night and they were down seventy two fifty two,
and then by the time I got home at the
end of the third quarter, it's eighty two to seventy five.
I'm thinking, wait, my phone's got to be screwed up here.
So it was an exciting fourth quarter in ot to watch.
They were plus twenty eight hundred of the live line

(34:00):
and I was sitting there like that, I need to
hammer this, and then I didn't like an idiot, But.

Speaker 3 (34:03):
Then Michael Bridges taking over all the time. Yeah, but
then just the the the game ending snatch Brown like, man, like,
give me this.

Speaker 8 (34:13):
But you can't count on Boston being that cold every now,
like at the end of the day. I mean, I'm
just still gonna be Boston in six There's no way
you can count on Boston being that cold that often.

Speaker 3 (34:20):
That maybe you can know if they're just they're just
gonna sit there and keep shooting it like that, and
it's not like they're all open threes they're shooting contested
ones too.

Speaker 2 (34:29):
You know that's our gamett.

Speaker 3 (34:31):
Yeah, you gotta, you gotta assume. Though eventually they're gonna
have to change it up a little bit because if
you go down to oh, you're gonna have to you're
gonna be.

Speaker 2 (34:38):
A little worried. Hey we great job today, Grant always
appreciate you showby. This was fun man. Oh yeah, what
do you get tomorrow?

Speaker 1 (34:44):
Yes, so we'll be back at three o'clock tomorrow. What
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