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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Logan, Ryan that works, Shelby Harris getting fired up for
Nuggets and Thunder tonight.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
It's gonna be a lot of fun. I think it's
gonna say a lot about.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
Both of these teams the way they end up competing
in this game. I think that when we get into
some matchups, specifically we're talking about the big men down
below the like for me, the Kolokitch versus.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Well, you brought him up.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Cheded Holmgren is an example of a guy I want
to see kind of how they do that. Isaiah Harkins Hartenstein.
I thought this was interesting from Kendrick Perkins who was
talking about he said that the Nuggets stole the soul
from the Oklahoma City Thunder and his breakdown yesterday on
Get Up. But then he talked about how the matchup
down low really is gonna be sort of what defines
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the rest of this series.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
I saw the Nuggets snatch their souls, That's what I saw.
I saw Jokis get a technical foul and I saw
him get pissed off, and after that it was a
wrap and Gordon and Jokic was punishing Isaeah Hartenstein and
chet holk Grid.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
They had sixty four.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Points out of one hundred and twenty one points. They
were punishing them in and out. Don't listen, they gotta
wake up. You bring in Isaea Hortenstein this off season
to secure that spot.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
They fill that boy at the center position.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Che Hoolk, red you supposed to be that guy to
cancel out Aaron Gordon. Aaron Gordon is so crucial for
the Nuggets for its his physicality, his size. If they
don't correct this, it's gonna be a probable. Okay, see,
they're gonna be in trouble. And here's the thing, another one,
chet Holk red lighting the ass. You gotta use your land,
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you gotta use your ball pressure, you gotta use your athleticism.
I just thought it last night. They let yokicen their Gordon.
They were so comfortable. If I was there, I would
go back and I will watch a lot of film
on how the Clippers guarding Jokic, especially Big Zuba, because
I've never seen the individual odd team got Jokish the
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way that the Clippers did last series.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
I I hate to agree with Keatrick Perkins because he
can be so obnoxious, but man, he nailed that.
Speaker 5 (02:14):
Light in the ass. And he's not wrong, and that
that's that's whole problem. Here's here's not coming out though.
Here's where he is wrong.
Speaker 6 (02:23):
For the thunder his suggested, I agree with everything he
said until he said I think they have to go
back and look at film of how the Clippers played Jokic.
The Clippers played Jokic pretty much straight up with Zubach
all right, he's one of the strongest.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
Players in the league.
Speaker 7 (02:44):
Who on Oak City is that guy?
Speaker 6 (02:52):
And he never has been. He's never been ever considered
a defensive presence. He's a guy that is active. He hustles,
he gets on the floor. He's got a nice little
left handed push shot. He can give you, you know,
ten points to twelve to fourteen. He he does that,
he'll rebound. He's a good athlete, but he's never been.
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He's not even close to the defensive player the Zubaches.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
I don't think he is. But he's seven and fifty pounds.
It's not too much to expect the well, I mean.
Speaker 5 (03:22):
Because it's only for two fifty doesn't mean you built
like Zubaki.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
Because I mean, listen, you're abandon with him for the
whole series.
Speaker 6 (03:29):
You're the same size, as Isaiah Thomas doesn't mean you
can be the point guard for the Pistons.
Speaker 4 (03:32):
I hit that right right. I mean, what are we
talking about here? Are you fair?
Speaker 5 (03:37):
But we'll say this is what hartstart though, this is
like his most this is the most I feel like
that he's actually had the like contribute and his whole
career and now is at the biggest moment and he
has to try to stop Ki and it's bullyball. And
that's why I loved about what Kendrick Perkins said though,
because Lily Ann Gordon and Nicola Jokic all like, I
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just remember right there with as Ruso's dribbling the ball
now getting a shot because everybody can shoot. But the
issue with Asus the Nuggets have that advantage on the
inside and no matter what, you pretty much can give
that to give the ball to the jo every play
and he.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
Was plus he's got plus.
Speaker 6 (04:20):
Kendrick Perkins is calling out Chet Holmgren for not being
able to check Aaron Gordon.
Speaker 7 (04:27):
Good luck on that is anybody ever looked at Eric
Gordon and then looked at Chet Holger and said, hey,
I think down in the blocks that's going to be
a favorable matchup.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
For Oklahoma City.
Speaker 6 (04:42):
No, nobody's ever said that, you know why, because it's
not true. Holmgren's got to take Holmgren is a perimeter
player disguised as a four and five. Yeah, but his
his game is he's got a really nice touch for
a big man. But he's just you know, in the
first game. And that's one of the reasons I like
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the Nuggets in this series, because I said they don't
have any good answers for Jokic, and apparently they don't
have any good answers for Aaron Gordon either. Now again, tonight,
we'll see I expect them if they're really that team,
if they're the team that had the best.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
Record in the league, and they're really.
Speaker 6 (05:19):
That team, they're gonna come out tonight and it's gonna
be like early and often and let's see what's up time.
Speaker 5 (05:27):
There's a difference between winning regular season games and playoff
games because in playoff games, teams will literally just keep
attacking your weaknesses, and regular season games you really don't.
We won't necessarily see that as much. But in these
playoff games, you're going to see the Nuggets just keep
attacking them inside because they have no one that can
stop it. But and this is with Yogas getting in
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foul trouble last.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Game, right, it's played like a quarter and a half
with five pounds.
Speaker 5 (05:51):
Yeah, noth thing. This is with him getting playing in
foul trouble. So obviously he's gonna be a little bit smarter,
a little bit more cautious this game. But man, you
just got to be worried. If you have a thunder,
you have to be worried because you have no answer
on your roster that can account for the Nuggets big men.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Well, that's it, and you saw it, and the Nuggets,
I would say, to a certain extent, they figured that
part out relatively early on. And maybe it's because they
listened to Dave say that the thunderbor soft. I think
that's where you were getting that.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
But by the.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Way, very quick, Zubats and Hartenstein are basically the same size.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
In fact, muscle means a lot of hart is.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Ten pounds heavier. They're both seven.
Speaker 6 (06:31):
Again, you are the same size as Isaiah Thomas. Are
there any other similarities other than that? Zubats is one
of the strongest players in the league, Okay, Isaac, I
mean Hardenstein is more of an offensive guy. Now he's
I mean, he's willing, he's nobody's punk.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
He'll play hard tonight.
Speaker 6 (06:55):
But if the Thunder are banking on Isaiah Harden's nine
being the difference and shutting down Nicole, good luck to them.
Speaker 5 (07:07):
I would just also say this, You know, Anthony Edwards
and Donald Trump are the same size too.
Speaker 7 (07:12):
Oh boy, wait wise literally Trump something amag is like
six five six four.
Speaker 5 (07:20):
Trump sixty three. And I think there are a pound difference.
And I'm just telling you the difference of like get
the hell up out of Dodge. There are a pound difference.
What you're talking about physical.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Back to back, So listen. I I think the magic
down Loow is going to be significant. Foul trouble is
going to be significant, as you mentioned. But the Nuggets
they don't really it doesn't really matter to them because
if the does have foul five foulsand he is getting
into trouble. Now they have to play him. They won't
really have a choice. They just have to say, hey,
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be careful out there, which maybe is an advantage there
for Oklahoma City because they're gonna be able to drive
a little bit more than they were. I also, you know,
we think about things that are there going to be
different from this game because I know that we all
have the expectations as Shay is just going to keep
doing what he does. Right, he's seeing thirty three points
in the game. He over twenty six. Maybe he was
a little more efficient. But the guy that I'm wondering
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about is Jalen Williams. It was five for twenty in
this game.
Speaker 5 (08:28):
Struggled at three points, struggled at the three point line
the whole game.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
He's a much better player than that he is.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
So they've got they listen, They've got a lot of weapons.
Speaker 5 (08:36):
So Jamal Murray, Michael Porter Jr.
Speaker 6 (08:39):
Right, we can sit here though and talk about I mean,
Goldens at Golden State, Oklahoma City has shown an ability
in the regular season to spread the ball and a
lot of guys can hurt you. So but I but
I thought the Nuggets were pretty good on defense.
Speaker 4 (08:54):
I really did.
Speaker 6 (08:55):
And to Shelby's point, I didn't think they the Nuggets played,
you know, any where close to their best. On offense,
We've seen a much more efficient I mean, we've seen
Jamal all of a sudden, any given night go for
like forty if he has one of those nights where
it's just like, hey, it's going in and nothing you
can do about it. Man, oh man, this is gonna
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be fun to watch.
Speaker 5 (09:17):
And the catcher I always look at, uh, I look at
Nicola Jokis's assists, you know stats, and what that showed
me is that, you know, his teammates just weren't hitting shots,
and that's not going to happen over and over and
over again, because I feel like the Nuggets actually a
decent catcher shoot team, and when you have Yokis, who
who's able to get the ball really to anybody in
any place. I think obviously we we talk about, you
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know how the Nuggets haven't really played you know that good,
and they still got to win. And that's why I
just say, point to those systembers. They weren't making shots.
Yeah he only has six exactly. They weren't making shots
and so you know, the usual triple double king. These
guys weren't making the normal shots. So right there, and
the Nuggets will have a little bit of an advantage
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because they didn't play as good as they were supposed to.
But once again, you know, I think we'll see give it.
The first five minutes of the game you're gonna feel
the tempo out and you're gonna see how this game
is gonna go.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
I have one more thing I wanted to add for
this than I want to talk to you as about
something with the Broncos.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
So the Nuggets had eighteen turnovers.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
They've doubled up Oklahoma City, and of course Oklahoma City
found a lot of success on some fast break points
in that game. That's gonna be another thing to sort
of watch tonight. Yeah, Oklahoma City forces it. Not even
just to say that it was all on the Nuggets,
but there are some errant passes in that game.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
I agree.
Speaker 6 (10:39):
I thought I thought Denver was sloppy with the ball,
and Oklahoma City is really athletic, And what you don't
want is to turn it over and they get out
in transition and then they get you in foul trouble
or they get easy, easy looks. You want that team
to play against a set half court defense.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
How do you do that?
Speaker 6 (11:01):
You shoot well and you make them take the ball
out of the net and then bring the ball up.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
Not that they can't play with a little bit of pace,
but you.
Speaker 6 (11:11):
Know, in the fourth quarter, the Nuggets started to get
things going offensively starting to start. They started to score
at a pretty good clip and you saw, you saw
what the fourth quarter look like. So hang in the
game early, just stay in touch, like be in the
same area code as the thunder are when the fourth
quarter starts, and then you start. If that's the case,
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you love, you love the Nuggets to be ahead, but
if you're in the same area code, you start to
put some pressure on them at the eight or nine
minute mark, see how they see how they react, jack Hammer,
Come on, here's.
Speaker 5 (11:49):
The one stat I just want to make sure I'll
point out here and a big reason why the Nuggets
won twenty seven second chance points they out rebounded okay,
twenty This is another area where you know, the big
men of Oklahoma City got bullied and they literally they
got sent home with a note from the nurse and
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they they haven't come back yet. So we got to
see exactly what's really going to happen. But if Denver
keeps this advantage inside, there's no chance for Okay.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
See, so I.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
Wanted to point this out and I didn't realize this,
but I guess as we were doing the draft a
couple of weeks ago, Dave and we're talking about the
players that the Broncos are selecting a lot of captains,
guys that have been in the NFL for or sorry,
he had been in college football for several years. Did
you realize the Broncos had the oldest draft of all teams,
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all thirty two teams, like on average age average age
was around twenty three and a half.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
Years old on average for the Broncos.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
And I mean buying large. The Dolphins were the youngest.
They were like about twenty one and a half. So
that was a pretty big jump there is now that's
being discussed and argued as a plus or minus.
Speaker 6 (13:03):
What do you look at this, Well, you'd always I
mean you'd always want younger players because conceptually you'd.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
Be able to have them stay longer and play longer.
Speaker 6 (13:15):
But I think in the NFL now, especially in the
salary cap era, and I you know, to me, I
would change if I were running a draft. I would
change in free agency too. Sort of how we look
at things the conventional way, the old school way of
looking stuff is, hey, you don't want to if a
guy was in school for you know, four or five years,
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especially a quarterback, and he came out like bow Nicks
last year, he's going to be twenty four.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
And then all of a sudden, you start, you know.
Speaker 6 (13:44):
Extrapolating, and you say, well, he's first contract, he's going
to be twenty nine. You do all that to me,
You focus on we're taking the guys that we think
give us the best chance and can play for the
next four or five years. You'll have some little play
a little bit longer. You'll have some that won't play
as long. I'm trying to find guys as many guys
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as I can in free agency and in the draft
that play can play, and I mean be players for
four or five years. I think I think the team
sometimes talks themselves out of the best player and onto
a younger player is three years younger, but you know what,
he might not be better than the guy who's three
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years older. And so you think you're gonna get the
guy who's younger, and then he's going to have more
of an upside and play longer. He might not be
nearly as good a player, and you're talking yourself out
of a guy.
Speaker 4 (14:37):
Since when did twenty four become too old?
Speaker 7 (14:40):
Quarterbacks in this league, I don't know somebody somebody played
until their forties.
Speaker 4 (14:44):
So if bo Nix is twenty.
Speaker 6 (14:45):
Four, so what so what So that's that's I mean,
that's how I'd like to see the league change. And
if I were involved, I mean, just you know, hypothetically,
I that's those are the guys i'd be a well
as an older player in the league. You know, I
can one like understand exactly what Dave's talking about, because
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you know, you know an NFL, once you hit thirty,
they instantly try to say you're old and your players
want to start declining, so let's go replace you. But
just because they replace you with somebody younger doesn't mean
they're as good as you. And if the age really
people get so caught up in age and NFL and
we got to be looking at skill because obviously I
get it that you know, you wanted to plan for
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the future, you want to do that. But then okay,
let's say let's just say the Broncos for like you said,
like like Dave said, they said it was I just
look at a younger quarterback. Well, yeah he's younger, but
he's he is good.
Speaker 5 (15:40):
No, And we instantly throw away talent based off in age,
and when in some of these teams ruin their whole
dynamic because they're trying to get younger in certain positions
that are still producing.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
I feel like this was by design, to be honest,
the Broncos drafting the kinds of players and even the age.
I don't it's not like they ignored those kinds of things.
I think this is by design.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
I think.
Speaker 6 (16:04):
I don't know if if them having the oldest draft
is by design, but I agree with you that the
type of player and the character of the player, and
the background of the player, all of those things. Really
since Sean Payton got here with George Peyton, that has
been a point of emphasis. I want the right kind
of guys in the locker room, being captains, team captain's
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guys that you know, love ball.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
Yeah, I think I think all of that is by design.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
I mean it would it makes some sense.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
I do think as we move forward in all this process,
like with college football and nil and the fact that
we're in transfer portal all those reasons, we might start
seeing older and older drafts like that. This might be
a thing where teams, to a certain extent just accept that, hey,
I'm gonna be getting guys twenty three, twenty four years
old because he stayed in the league. He's stayed in
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college football for so long because he kept making money.
And you know that this isn't gonna be a big deal.
I think it's a big deal here because we haven't
quite tilted our imagination to it just yet, and teams
are still drafting. Hey, I'm gonna draft a twenty one
year old I'm gonna I'm gonna aim for that because
then I have more years on the backside of his
career instead of just saying I'm gonna ge I'm gonna
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got good players. They may have been in college football,
but there's a reason for it.
Speaker 5 (17:24):
Yeah, you know, teams can think like that, but do
you even have the infrastructure to develop these players and
to the player you think he's gonna be a lot
of teams, don't. You know. We talked about yesterday about
crappy coaches and and that's a real thing.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
Though.
Speaker 5 (17:36):
So when you get an older guy that's you know,
there's been in college a little bit longer, he's had
a little bit more coaching and and he has more
games under his belt, and he will come in more seasoned.
And there's nothing wrong with that. But like I look
at a you know, a guy like Quinny yours.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
Yeah, made no sense for.
Speaker 5 (17:52):
Him to stay in the draft, you know what I mean,
Like he could have transferred somewhere and got three three
four million to go play.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Supposed to get to like eight millions, you know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (18:00):
So that's why you will see more guys stay longer
because it's just financially, you know, it's safer. It doesn't
it doesn't make anything, like why go take a chance
if you're not going to be a bona fide first
round pick, why not go back and try to make
yourself another first round pick and make some money on
the side. So it's not a bad it's not a
bad idea.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
And today's point, I think it's a really good one.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
Focus in on the immediate future of the next four years, right,
Don't you don't have to draft for the next ten.
Speaker 5 (18:29):
Because more likely, like yeah, like you gotta imagine that
if you're going to get something out of a player,
it's going to be more like right away you're going
to see if somebody that you want to keep around.
Not every player you draft is going to be around
for ten years. You's got to understand that You also
have to understand the fact that you know, not any
player you draft it's going to be good. It's a
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toss up everywhere. So instead of tossing and putting this
toss up on age, do it on skill and just
go from there.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
You know, and days to your point also, and I
think kind of just driving him home.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Before we hit the break at the bottom of the hour.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
I wouldn't say it's a universal opinion about an older
player being this, but maybe there's a bit of a
higher floor, at least for the Broncos with a I
have more tape on this guy, I have more years
to watch what he has become, and I could have
an expectation versus a guy that you know, played a
couple of years. Maybe he didn't get he got a
handful of starts here and there. You saw some upside swings, certainly,
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and there's a reason he's being drafted where he's at.
But for the Broncos taking a guy that's been because
Johnny Barronick did a good example.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
He went back to college. He could have come.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Out last year, but their expectation was he wasn't maybe
not going to be a first rounder, but he went
back to college. He had a phenomenal year in Texas,
won the award for Best Cornerback in the Jim Thorpe
Award as a result of it. So I don't know,
maybe there's something to that, a higher floor for some
of these older players.
Speaker 6 (19:51):
Yeah, I think it's a combination of all the things
that we talked about. I think coaches they they want
a locker room.
Speaker 4 (20:01):
They want as many guys in.
Speaker 6 (20:02):
The locker room that are high character guys that love football.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
Now, listen, you can't have a.
Speaker 6 (20:08):
Whole locker room full of high character guys that love
football that can't play.
Speaker 4 (20:12):
That you're gonna get fired. You're gonna lose a lot
of games.
Speaker 6 (20:15):
But if you can find high character guys that love
football that can also play. It's harder to find those
guys with all three traits than somebody who can really
play and might not have the highest of character, we might.
Speaker 4 (20:32):
Not even love football. So the pool is smaller, you know.
Speaker 6 (20:37):
But I think that's why teams like the Broncos spend
a lot of time.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
Researching and other teams do too.
Speaker 6 (20:45):
I don't mean it's just the Broncos trying to research
those type players. Who are they and once they find one,
once they identify it, they're willing to, you know, invest
significant draft capital into trying to get to come to Denver.
Speaker 5 (21:01):
The backbones of these programs, you know what I mean.
But then not just the backbones are the programs, but
actually real players that come in here. And you know,
we always talk about, you know, how players could be
a distraction. But like let's remember about c. J. Stroud
when he went to Houston. They said he changed the
he changed the organization the minute he got there. And
that's the type of guys that the Broncos are looking for,
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and those are the type of guys that they're going
to always keep around.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
Celtics are up nineteen to nine in the first quarter.
They've already attempted seven to three pointers and they've made
two of them.
Speaker 4 (21:30):
So what do you think, what's right now? What's the total?
Speaker 1 (21:34):
Well, they're gonna shoot fifty tonight, they're gonna shoot fifty three.
Speaker 4 (21:38):
I'm going to say over fifty over.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
I mean they're trying to Yeah, I mean, what was
there again? Math, It feels like they need to catch
catch up a little bit. They've only attempted seven.
Speaker 4 (21:49):
I'm gonna take over right now.
Speaker 7 (21:51):
Over.
Speaker 4 (21:51):
It is over.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
It is under under. You gotta do to state that
on that No.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
Rockies Tigers, And then they got a doubleheader tomorrow because
last night's game was postponed. That's an interesting text here, fellas.
As we were talking about the Nuggets a moment ago,
five six, six ninety zero, I'll take okay c in
the series.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
Not sure the Nuggets will win another game?
Speaker 4 (22:18):
Wow? Did you write that? Ryan? Come on? Yeah, I'm
just saying, who is you right? That right? Make sure
let me check the cell number.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
It is not none of my cell number.
Speaker 6 (22:29):
I would I would wager steak dinner that the Nuggets
win at least one more game.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
I think it's gonna get to six. I mean that's
my I said.
Speaker 5 (22:37):
I said seven, but I think it will go seven,
and we'll see. That's if okay See needs like, if
okay See actually wins a couple more games, then it
goes seven. I think the Nuggets can.
Speaker 4 (22:47):
Win in six. There we go.
Speaker 5 (22:51):
Yeah, I said it. I believe it. I'll tell you this.
After watching that game, you know, the Thunder actually really
weren't playing that bad until there and then, and the
Nuggets weren't playing good.
Speaker 6 (23:02):
A Thunder based on what I saw during the whole
course of the game, the Thunder had to win that game.
The Nuggets did not play their best. I thought, just
like Shelby, I thought, you know what Okama City is
getting out there, running, spreading the ball around. They've got
they got a lot of guys that can shoot the
ball until the fourth till the fourth quarter, so absolutely
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crunch time.
Speaker 5 (23:29):
It's it's thankspering. I'm gonna keep I'm gonnakeep bringing it
up over and over and over again until the Thunder
drove me wrong. That experience is gonna be what loses
them this series.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
I'm sort of fascinated for tonight, just just for a
moment here.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
I'm fascinated about how our thoughts about this series could
really shift, right, because I wouldn't surprise any of us
in Voklahoma City come out and dominated tonight, right, I.
Speaker 4 (23:52):
Mean, what surprised me?
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (23:54):
Really if they came out and just I.
Speaker 6 (23:56):
Mean she lacked the Nuggets, very surprised, would be more surprise, Yes,
I would.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
I guess I guess I wouldn't because you picked ok City.
Speaker 5 (24:06):
I'm tellin is gonna slap. I think Denver's gonna go
out there and they're gonna come out snapping the first
that first quarter just on fire. I think Jamal Murray
had something to prove this game. It's you know, it's
he's gonna rise up to the occasion. There's no way
that the Nuggets shoot like how they did in the
first three quarters.
Speaker 6 (24:24):
How about how about Jamal in the post game on
T n T when Ernie had the first question somebody
it was a long it was, and it wasn't even
posed as a question, and it was it was eternally long.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
And so the camera's on.
Speaker 6 (24:42):
Jamal and he's just nodding, and he's looking away and
he looks.
Speaker 4 (24:46):
Back and finally I thought it was actually pretty good.
Speaker 6 (24:48):
He said, so to me, was was there a question
in there? Or you want me just to want me
just to comment? To Ernie's credit, he made fun of himself,
you know, at the end. But uh, I I think
I think Jamal could come out and be pretty lively tonight.
Speaker 4 (25:03):
That's what's such a great moment. It was.
Speaker 5 (25:06):
That's what's like the amazing part about the Nuggets are
really about Jamal Murray. Is like one game you can
have again like that.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
The next he drops fifty somebody said, I paid that
texture to text that in.
Speaker 5 (25:16):
You probably did.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
You guys get this all wrong.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
Same thing with the Wolves thing, like, for whatever reason,
I'm getting painted as a Thunder and Wolves fan.
Speaker 7 (25:23):
Well you definitely are you definitely say here you ain't
getting off the hook that that easy.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
For some reason, I'm being painted. I mean, are you serious?
Speaker 5 (25:35):
Like you can admit I'm a Bucks fan.
Speaker 7 (25:38):
You have been cracking on like how great Oak City was,
and I don't like the matchup and the Timberwolves.
Speaker 4 (25:47):
You've been on their jock for a while.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Whoa, whoa, Yo, Well, I.
Speaker 4 (25:52):
Mean that's just a phrase.
Speaker 7 (25:56):
It's Wolves and Thunder you have. You showed up in
the studio and it Bucks Jersey the.
Speaker 5 (26:06):
Game right after showed up here to the game, right
after you show up in flannel. That's that shows me
that you had Oklahoma City.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
That's pretty much your Jersey.
Speaker 4 (26:18):
Jersey. People actually listen listen to the show.
Speaker 6 (26:21):
You know, when you're talking to this mic, it goes
out there and people listen to what you say because
you definitely.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
Love you.
Speaker 5 (26:28):
For some reason, people with the Timber holder for some reason,
like you have to been like pounding the table for
the Timberwolves, Like, you know, we don't want to play
the timber Wolves.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
I did get four or five texts last night and
a tweet asking me like, hey.
Speaker 7 (26:42):
Your wolves, man, this is real, and you see they
saying your wolves, now your wolves here.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
Just at the record straight, that is not my wolves.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
The wolves of the Ryan you crying about.
Speaker 7 (26:55):
I don't want the Nuggets to have to play the
timble Wolves.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
I still, well, then just say then just admittels makes
me acknowledge that they are a very good team and
it's a bad matchup for the Nuns.
Speaker 7 (27:09):
Okay, so no, the Timberwolves hold the better part of it.
Speaker 4 (27:14):
Lately.
Speaker 6 (27:15):
It would be like saying Golden State, if Steph is back,
would be fearful of playing the Nuggets in the Western
Conference Finals because the Nuggets, no right.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
Nobody fears anybody.
Speaker 7 (27:31):
Nuggets don't fear the Timberwolves, and the Warriors don't fear
the next.
Speaker 5 (27:35):
Well, Ryan fears the thunder, and Ryan's sort of a fearful.
Speaker 7 (27:39):
Sword that in fairness to me, in fairness, you can't say,
in fairness to what would you get to decide what's
fair to you?
Speaker 1 (27:52):
In fairness to me, actually everything you said was pretty
much everything he said, We're pretty much sure. But the
thing about it is is, as I do, I did
pick the Thunder to win this series. I will be
very very happy if they do not. I will be
very happy that the Nuggets inded. But but this is
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the thing tonight. I I think the Thunder are gonna
be good. I love your point about the fourth quarter.
I think that's very it's a very good frame to
put this game in.
Speaker 7 (28:22):
Real love is my my comment about the pooter holes
with the JACKAMI want to laugh.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
I'm gonna be driving away from here and I'm gonna
randomly start cracking up in the.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
Car because the visual. I'm just gonna start laughing.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
That's where. Wow, I'm just saying. I'm just saying, that's where.
That's that's that's a jack, right.
Speaker 5 (28:46):
So let me ask you this question if the Nuggets
when when the Nuggets here we go, when the Nuggets
win today, are you gonna have are your feelings going
to change on the series with the Nuggets beat up to.
Speaker 4 (28:59):
Oh, that's such a good question. I think it is too.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
That's a really good question.
Speaker 4 (29:03):
What's the answer. How much time to I have? You're
not able to all out you know, you can't just
keep saying that's a big question much time. You're gonna
be saying that for the next twelve minutes.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
You know, if the Nuggets win tonight's win.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
The Nuggets win tonight, yes, I will have to amend
my feelings and predictions of the series because.
Speaker 5 (29:26):
You know how tough it is to play in Denver.
I know how tough it is to play. That's like, hey,
and and that's where I also believe the Nuggets has
the advantage because it just has a natural conditioning to
have these long battles. Or Oklahoma City, because you know,
they're based in the altitude. So when you go down
to a place like Oklahoma City, you feel great, feel
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like you can run a whole maritime And so we'll
be there. And that's one thing you did see. Oklahoma
City did look a little tired of you. And so
we'll we'll see how this kind of all plays out.
Speaker 4 (29:58):
I hope it win tonight.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Wrong even to be wrong, I hope they win tonight.
Speaker 4 (30:03):
The Nuggets.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
Yeah, but because Boyd and Dave will never let me
hear the end of it.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
But it'll be worth it. It'll still be worth it.
Speaker 4 (30:12):
It's gonna be great.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
The Celtics are up thirty seven to twenty seven.
Speaker 4 (30:21):
About the score, yeah, thirty four to twenty seven, right.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Yeah, the box scores ahead, oh a little bit.
Speaker 4 (30:26):
You where where really like way ahead?
Speaker 5 (30:30):
No, I would notice if you if you look at
the ESPN app and you're looking.
Speaker 4 (30:35):
The game, it's always ahead of what is on TV.
Speaker 5 (30:40):
And so I can't look at that like basketball games
on the ESPN app because if you're watching it, it's
never going to be what you need. And you know
he makes it. So oh it didn't make that. So
you know the Knicks miss on this possession or turn
it over.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
Yeah, the box score here, there you go, that's going
to go in. No, oh my gosh. In the offensive rebound,
check your.
Speaker 5 (30:57):
Back out, Jalen Brown from the corner up and good?
All right, yeah he was finally right right, that's way
about behind.
Speaker 4 (31:05):
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Well, I have thirty with four to thirty four remains
the next get a three pointer here, a three point
right here?
Speaker 4 (31:13):
Wow, look at us O Kanobi. You know what tell
in the future.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
The Celtics are four of eighteen.
Speaker 4 (31:20):
From me, I said more than fifteen four.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
It's not great, not great, and I think what you
said earlier was great. It's not good basketball, it's not
fun to watch, but it's.
Speaker 4 (31:32):
What they've done all year.
Speaker 6 (31:33):
That's I agree with you completely, but it's it's what
they've done all year.
Speaker 4 (31:38):
So you know they're not going to change now.
Speaker 5 (31:40):
This is not a good product for the fans, although
I think in this game, as we sit here and
watch it, Jaln Brown's taking the ball to the basket
a lot more.
Speaker 4 (31:49):
Got sixteen points already.
Speaker 5 (31:52):
That's a guy that's going to have to really step
his game up as because what he went one for
ten last game from three, So for him, you know,
obviously you know what you're gonna gotta take them. Dynen
Brown's was so up and down. He can explode for
almost forty and then random and just dropped ten. So
he's really going to be the X factor. Well, actually no,
Derek White's really the X factor for them. But Coloradi Kid,
(32:13):
Oh yeah, Parker hey, Parker Legend.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
Hey, we didn't spend a lot of time in the
first hour.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
We're gonna ready to have things off the Rockies and
we're new or picks for the Youuggus game. But we
didn't discuss how much Tyree's Haliburton actually screwed up the
final plays there, they get to steal, they're down by three,
it's less than twenty four seconds.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
He drives the lake.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
He gets bailed out by getting found, but they're down
way three. He's got to be taking a shot there,
right am I the only one that thinks that.
Speaker 4 (32:41):
He's the most over ready to play in the league.
Speaker 5 (32:43):
Now there's that, you know what, the most over I
bet all those dudes feel stupid as well right now,
because you know, Tyas Haliburton, he's that hit. I know,
I know, at least it's two at least in the
last two seasons, had two game winners and really has
been their team. And that's from a paces to that
was down the whole game and then claws their way
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back and he was able to get into rebound and
then we would talk about it during the break. You know,
the minute he started got the rebound, he's like, oh,
he's shooting this and it's gonna be from three. Yeah,
it's gonna be from three. And you know, obviously it
didn't work out for the cast, but man, you gotta
be worried for you're the Cavaliers right now because you're
you're banged up and you're down two oh at and
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you got to go to Indiana for two games.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
PACER's gonna go to the Eastern Conference Finals. Who's going
to represent on the East between these two teams?
Speaker 4 (33:32):
Dave?
Speaker 2 (33:32):
What do you think in Boston?
Speaker 5 (33:35):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (33:35):
Yeah, I think. I think. I think the Celtics.
Speaker 6 (33:38):
I like the knicks grit, and I love Jalen Brunston's game,
but I think the Celtics have too much for him.
Speaker 4 (33:47):
I think this at most is a six game series.
Speaker 5 (33:50):
Yeah, but think about it. This man, Indiana. I'm not
gonna lie to you. You know, it's the time where
the hot team wins.
Speaker 4 (33:59):
They had to watch one of the ball.
Speaker 5 (34:00):
They can't score naked shoot, so you got to watch
out for him.
Logan, Ryan that works, Shelby Harris getting fired up for
Nuggets and Thunder tonight.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
It's gonna be a lot of fun. I think it's
gonna say a lot about.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
Both of these teams the way they end up competing
in this game. I think that when we get into
some matchups, specifically we're talking about the big men down
below the like for me, the Kolokitch versus.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Well, you brought him up.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Cheded Holmgren is an example of a guy I want
to see kind of how they do that. Isaiah Harkins Hartenstein.
I thought this was interesting from Kendrick Perkins who was
talking about he said that the Nuggets stole the soul
from the Oklahoma City Thunder and his breakdown yesterday on
Get Up. But then he talked about how the matchup
down low really is gonna be sort of what defines
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the rest of this series.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
I saw the Nuggets snatch their souls, That's what I saw.
I saw Jokis get a technical foul and I saw
him get pissed off, and after that it was a
wrap and Gordon and Jokic was punishing Isaeah Hartenstein and
chet holk Grid.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
They had sixty four.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Points out of one hundred and twenty one points. They
were punishing them in and out. Don't listen, they gotta
wake up. You bring in Isaea Hortenstein this off season
to secure that spot.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
They fill that boy at the center position.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Che Hoolk, red you supposed to be that guy to
cancel out Aaron Gordon. Aaron Gordon is so crucial for
the Nuggets for its his physicality, his size. If they
don't correct this, it's gonna be a probable. Okay, see,
they're gonna be in trouble. And here's the thing, another one,
chet Holk red lighting the ass. You gotta use your land,
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you gotta use your ball pressure, you gotta use your athleticism.
I just thought it last night. They let yokicen their Gordon.
They were so comfortable. If I was there, I would
go back and I will watch a lot of film
on how the Clippers guarding Jokic, especially Big Zuba, because
I've never seen the individual odd team got Jokish the
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way that the Clippers did last series.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
I I hate to agree with Keatrick Perkins because he
can be so obnoxious, but man, he nailed that.
Speaker 5 (02:14):
Light in the ass. And he's not wrong, and that
that's that's whole problem. Here's here's not coming out though.
Here's where he is wrong.
Speaker 6 (02:23):
For the thunder his suggested, I agree with everything he
said until he said I think they have to go
back and look at film of how the Clippers played Jokic.
The Clippers played Jokic pretty much straight up with Zubach
all right, he's one of the strongest.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
Players in the league.
Speaker 7 (02:44):
Who on Oak City is that guy?
Speaker 6 (02:52):
And he never has been. He's never been ever considered
a defensive presence. He's a guy that is active. He hustles,
he gets on the floor. He's got a nice little
left handed push shot. He can give you, you know,
ten points to twelve to fourteen. He he does that,
he'll rebound. He's a good athlete, but he's never been.
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He's not even close to the defensive player the Zubaches.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
I don't think he is. But he's seven and fifty pounds.
It's not too much to expect the well, I mean.
Speaker 5 (03:22):
Because it's only for two fifty doesn't mean you built
like Zubaki.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
Because I mean, listen, you're abandon with him for the
whole series.
Speaker 6 (03:29):
You're the same size, as Isaiah Thomas doesn't mean you
can be the point guard for the Pistons.
Speaker 4 (03:32):
I hit that right right. I mean, what are we
talking about here? Are you fair?
Speaker 5 (03:37):
But we'll say this is what hartstart though, this is
like his most this is the most I feel like
that he's actually had the like contribute and his whole
career and now is at the biggest moment and he
has to try to stop Ki and it's bullyball. And
that's why I loved about what Kendrick Perkins said though,
because Lily Ann Gordon and Nicola Jokic all like, I
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just remember right there with as Ruso's dribbling the ball
now getting a shot because everybody can shoot. But the
issue with Asus the Nuggets have that advantage on the
inside and no matter what, you pretty much can give
that to give the ball to the jo every play
and he.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
Was plus he's got plus.
Speaker 6 (04:20):
Kendrick Perkins is calling out Chet Holmgren for not being
able to check Aaron Gordon.
Speaker 7 (04:27):
Good luck on that is anybody ever looked at Eric
Gordon and then looked at Chet Holger and said, hey,
I think down in the blocks that's going to be
a favorable matchup.
Speaker 4 (04:41):
For Oklahoma City.
Speaker 6 (04:42):
No, nobody's ever said that, you know why, because it's
not true. Holmgren's got to take Holmgren is a perimeter
player disguised as a four and five. Yeah, but his
his game is he's got a really nice touch for
a big man. But he's just you know, in the
first game. And that's one of the reasons I like
(05:03):
the Nuggets in this series, because I said they don't
have any good answers for Jokic, and apparently they don't
have any good answers for Aaron Gordon either. Now again, tonight,
we'll see I expect them if they're really that team,
if they're the team that had the best.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
Record in the league, and they're really.
Speaker 6 (05:19):
That team, they're gonna come out tonight and it's gonna
be like early and often and let's see what's up time.
Speaker 5 (05:27):
There's a difference between winning regular season games and playoff
games because in playoff games, teams will literally just keep
attacking your weaknesses, and regular season games you really don't.
We won't necessarily see that as much. But in these
playoff games, you're going to see the Nuggets just keep
attacking them inside because they have no one that can
stop it. But and this is with Yogas getting in
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foul trouble last.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Game, right, it's played like a quarter and a half
with five pounds.
Speaker 5 (05:51):
Yeah, noth thing. This is with him getting playing in
foul trouble. So obviously he's gonna be a little bit smarter,
a little bit more cautious this game. But man, you
just got to be worried. If you have a thunder,
you have to be worried because you have no answer
on your roster that can account for the Nuggets big men.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Well, that's it, and you saw it, and the Nuggets,
I would say, to a certain extent, they figured that
part out relatively early on. And maybe it's because they
listened to Dave say that the thunderbor soft. I think
that's where you were getting that.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
But by the.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
Way, very quick, Zubats and Hartenstein are basically the same size.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
In fact, muscle means a lot of hart is.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Ten pounds heavier. They're both seven.
Speaker 6 (06:31):
Again, you are the same size as Isaiah Thomas. Are
there any other similarities other than that? Zubats is one
of the strongest players in the league, Okay, Isaac, I
mean Hardenstein is more of an offensive guy. Now he's
I mean, he's willing, he's nobody's punk.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
He'll play hard tonight.
Speaker 6 (06:55):
But if the Thunder are banking on Isaiah Harden's nine
being the difference and shutting down Nicole, good luck to them.
Speaker 5 (07:07):
I would just also say this, You know, Anthony Edwards
and Donald Trump are the same size too.
Speaker 7 (07:12):
Oh boy, wait wise literally Trump something amag is like
six five six four.
Speaker 5 (07:20):
Trump sixty three. And I think there are a pound difference.
And I'm just telling you the difference of like get
the hell up out of Dodge. There are a pound difference.
What you're talking about physical.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Back to back, So listen. I I think the magic
down Loow is going to be significant. Foul trouble is
going to be significant, as you mentioned. But the Nuggets
they don't really it doesn't really matter to them because
if the does have foul five foulsand he is getting
into trouble. Now they have to play him. They won't
really have a choice. They just have to say, hey,
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be careful out there, which maybe is an advantage there
for Oklahoma City because they're gonna be able to drive
a little bit more than they were. I also, you know,
we think about things that are there going to be
different from this game because I know that we all
have the expectations as Shay is just going to keep
doing what he does. Right, he's seeing thirty three points
in the game. He over twenty six. Maybe he was
a little more efficient. But the guy that I'm wondering
(08:24):
about is Jalen Williams. It was five for twenty in
this game.
Speaker 5 (08:28):
Struggled at three points, struggled at the three point line
the whole game.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
He's a much better player than that he is.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
So they've got they listen, They've got a lot of weapons.
Speaker 5 (08:36):
So Jamal Murray, Michael Porter Jr.
Speaker 6 (08:39):
Right, we can sit here though and talk about I mean,
Goldens at Golden State, Oklahoma City has shown an ability
in the regular season to spread the ball and a
lot of guys can hurt you. So but I but
I thought the Nuggets were pretty good on defense.
Speaker 4 (08:54):
I really did.
Speaker 6 (08:55):
And to Shelby's point, I didn't think they the Nuggets played,
you know, any where close to their best. On offense,
We've seen a much more efficient I mean, we've seen
Jamal all of a sudden, any given night go for
like forty if he has one of those nights where
it's just like, hey, it's going in and nothing you
can do about it. Man, oh man, this is gonna
(09:16):
be fun to watch.
Speaker 5 (09:17):
And the catcher I always look at, uh, I look at
Nicola Jokis's assists, you know stats, and what that showed
me is that, you know, his teammates just weren't hitting shots,
and that's not going to happen over and over and
over again, because I feel like the Nuggets actually a
decent catcher shoot team, and when you have Yokis, who
who's able to get the ball really to anybody in
any place. I think obviously we we talk about, you
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know how the Nuggets haven't really played you know that good,
and they still got to win. And that's why I
just say, point to those systembers. They weren't making shots.
Yeah he only has six exactly. They weren't making shots
and so you know, the usual triple double king. These
guys weren't making the normal shots. So right there, and
the Nuggets will have a little bit of an advantage
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because they didn't play as good as they were supposed to.
But once again, you know, I think we'll see give it.
The first five minutes of the game you're gonna feel
the tempo out and you're gonna see how this game
is gonna go.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
I have one more thing I wanted to add for
this than I want to talk to you as about
something with the Broncos.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
So the Nuggets had eighteen turnovers.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
They've doubled up Oklahoma City, and of course Oklahoma City
found a lot of success on some fast break points
in that game. That's gonna be another thing to sort
of watch tonight. Yeah, Oklahoma City forces it. Not even
just to say that it was all on the Nuggets,
but there are some errant passes in that game.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
I agree.
Speaker 6 (10:39):
I thought I thought Denver was sloppy with the ball,
and Oklahoma City is really athletic, And what you don't
want is to turn it over and they get out
in transition and then they get you in foul trouble
or they get easy, easy looks. You want that team
to play against a set half court defense.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
How do you do that?
Speaker 6 (11:01):
You shoot well and you make them take the ball
out of the net and then bring the ball up.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
Not that they can't play with a little bit of pace,
but you.
Speaker 6 (11:11):
Know, in the fourth quarter, the Nuggets started to get
things going offensively starting to start. They started to score
at a pretty good clip and you saw, you saw
what the fourth quarter look like. So hang in the
game early, just stay in touch, like be in the
same area code as the thunder are when the fourth
quarter starts, and then you start. If that's the case,
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you love, you love the Nuggets to be ahead, but
if you're in the same area code, you start to
put some pressure on them at the eight or nine
minute mark, see how they see how they react, jack Hammer,
Come on, here's.
Speaker 5 (11:49):
The one stat I just want to make sure I'll
point out here and a big reason why the Nuggets
won twenty seven second chance points they out rebounded okay,
twenty This is another area where you know, the big
men of Oklahoma City got bullied and they literally they
got sent home with a note from the nurse and
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they they haven't come back yet. So we got to
see exactly what's really going to happen. But if Denver
keeps this advantage inside, there's no chance for Okay.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
See, so I.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
Wanted to point this out and I didn't realize this,
but I guess as we were doing the draft a
couple of weeks ago, Dave and we're talking about the
players that the Broncos are selecting a lot of captains,
guys that have been in the NFL for or sorry,
he had been in college football for several years. Did
you realize the Broncos had the oldest draft of all teams,
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all thirty two teams, like on average age average age
was around twenty three and a half.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
Years old on average for the Broncos.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
And I mean buying large. The Dolphins were the youngest.
They were like about twenty one and a half. So
that was a pretty big jump there is now that's
being discussed and argued as a plus or minus.
Speaker 6 (13:03):
What do you look at this, Well, you'd always I
mean you'd always want younger players because conceptually you'd.
Speaker 4 (13:10):
Be able to have them stay longer and play longer.
Speaker 6 (13:15):
But I think in the NFL now, especially in the
salary cap era, and I you know, to me, I
would change if I were running a draft. I would
change in free agency too. Sort of how we look
at things the conventional way, the old school way of
looking stuff is, hey, you don't want to if a
guy was in school for you know, four or five years,
(13:38):
especially a quarterback, and he came out like bow Nicks
last year, he's going to be twenty four.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
And then all of a sudden, you start, you know.
Speaker 6 (13:44):
Extrapolating, and you say, well, he's first contract, he's going
to be twenty nine. You do all that to me,
You focus on we're taking the guys that we think
give us the best chance and can play for the
next four or five years. You'll have some little play
a little bit longer. You'll have some that won't play
as long. I'm trying to find guys as many guys
(14:04):
as I can in free agency and in the draft
that play can play, and I mean be players for
four or five years. I think I think the team
sometimes talks themselves out of the best player and onto
a younger player is three years younger, but you know what,
he might not be better than the guy who's three
(14:25):
years older. And so you think you're gonna get the
guy who's younger, and then he's going to have more
of an upside and play longer. He might not be
nearly as good a player, and you're talking yourself out
of a guy.
Speaker 4 (14:37):
Since when did twenty four become too old?
Speaker 7 (14:40):
Quarterbacks in this league, I don't know somebody somebody played
until their forties.
Speaker 4 (14:44):
So if bo Nix is twenty.
Speaker 6 (14:45):
Four, so what so what So that's that's I mean,
that's how I'd like to see the league change. And
if I were involved, I mean, just you know, hypothetically,
I that's those are the guys i'd be a well
as an older player in the league. You know, I
can one like understand exactly what Dave's talking about, because
(15:08):
you know, you know an NFL, once you hit thirty,
they instantly try to say you're old and your players
want to start declining, so let's go replace you. But
just because they replace you with somebody younger doesn't mean
they're as good as you. And if the age really
people get so caught up in age and NFL and
we got to be looking at skill because obviously I
get it that you know, you wanted to plan for
(15:28):
the future, you want to do that. But then okay,
let's say let's just say the Broncos for like you said,
like like Dave said, they said it was I just
look at a younger quarterback. Well, yeah he's younger, but
he's he is good.
Speaker 5 (15:40):
No, And we instantly throw away talent based off in age,
and when in some of these teams ruin their whole
dynamic because they're trying to get younger in certain positions
that are still producing.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
I feel like this was by design, to be honest,
the Broncos drafting the kinds of players and even the age.
I don't it's not like they ignored those kinds of things.
I think this is by design.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
I think.
Speaker 6 (16:04):
I don't know if if them having the oldest draft
is by design, but I agree with you that the
type of player and the character of the player, and
the background of the player, all of those things. Really
since Sean Payton got here with George Peyton, that has
been a point of emphasis. I want the right kind
of guys in the locker room, being captains, team captain's
(16:29):
guys that you know, love ball.
Speaker 4 (16:33):
Yeah, I think I think all of that is by design.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
I mean it would it makes some sense.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
I do think as we move forward in all this process,
like with college football and nil and the fact that
we're in transfer portal all those reasons, we might start
seeing older and older drafts like that. This might be
a thing where teams, to a certain extent just accept that, hey,
I'm gonna be getting guys twenty three, twenty four years
old because he stayed in the league. He's stayed in
(16:58):
college football for so long because he kept making money.
And you know that this isn't gonna be a big deal.
I think it's a big deal here because we haven't
quite tilted our imagination to it just yet, and teams
are still drafting. Hey, I'm gonna draft a twenty one
year old I'm gonna I'm gonna aim for that because
then I have more years on the backside of his
career instead of just saying I'm gonna ge I'm gonna
(17:19):
got good players. They may have been in college football,
but there's a reason for it.
Speaker 5 (17:24):
Yeah, you know, teams can think like that, but do
you even have the infrastructure to develop these players and
to the player you think he's gonna be a lot
of teams, don't. You know. We talked about yesterday about
crappy coaches and and that's a real thing.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
Though.
Speaker 5 (17:36):
So when you get an older guy that's you know,
there's been in college a little bit longer, he's had
a little bit more coaching and and he has more
games under his belt, and he will come in more seasoned.
And there's nothing wrong with that. But like I look
at a you know, a guy like Quinny yours.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
Yeah, made no sense for.
Speaker 5 (17:52):
Him to stay in the draft, you know what I mean,
Like he could have transferred somewhere and got three three
four million to go play.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Supposed to get to like eight millions, you know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 5 (18:00):
So that's why you will see more guys stay longer
because it's just financially, you know, it's safer. It doesn't
it doesn't make anything, like why go take a chance
if you're not going to be a bona fide first
round pick, why not go back and try to make
yourself another first round pick and make some money on
the side. So it's not a bad it's not a
bad idea.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
And today's point, I think it's a really good one.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
Focus in on the immediate future of the next four years, right,
Don't you don't have to draft for the next ten.
Speaker 5 (18:29):
Because more likely, like yeah, like you gotta imagine that
if you're going to get something out of a player,
it's going to be more like right away you're going
to see if somebody that you want to keep around.
Not every player you draft is going to be around
for ten years. You's got to understand that You also
have to understand the fact that you know, not any
player you draft it's going to be good. It's a
(18:51):
toss up everywhere. So instead of tossing and putting this
toss up on age, do it on skill and just
go from there.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
You know, and days to your point also, and I
think kind of just driving him home.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Before we hit the break at the bottom of the hour.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
I wouldn't say it's a universal opinion about an older
player being this, but maybe there's a bit of a
higher floor, at least for the Broncos with a I
have more tape on this guy, I have more years
to watch what he has become, and I could have
an expectation versus a guy that you know, played a
couple of years. Maybe he didn't get he got a
handful of starts here and there. You saw some upside swings, certainly,
(19:25):
and there's a reason he's being drafted where he's at.
But for the Broncos taking a guy that's been because
Johnny Barronick did a good example.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
He went back to college. He could have come.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Out last year, but their expectation was he wasn't maybe
not going to be a first rounder, but he went
back to college. He had a phenomenal year in Texas,
won the award for Best Cornerback in the Jim Thorpe
Award as a result of it. So I don't know,
maybe there's something to that, a higher floor for some
of these older players.
Speaker 6 (19:51):
Yeah, I think it's a combination of all the things
that we talked about. I think coaches they they want
a locker room.
Speaker 4 (20:01):
They want as many guys in.
Speaker 6 (20:02):
The locker room that are high character guys that love football.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
Now, listen, you can't have a.
Speaker 6 (20:08):
Whole locker room full of high character guys that love
football that can't play.
Speaker 4 (20:12):
That you're gonna get fired. You're gonna lose a lot
of games.
Speaker 6 (20:15):
But if you can find high character guys that love
football that can also play. It's harder to find those
guys with all three traits than somebody who can really
play and might not have the highest of character, we might.
Speaker 4 (20:32):
Not even love football. So the pool is smaller, you know.
Speaker 6 (20:37):
But I think that's why teams like the Broncos spend
a lot of time.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
Researching and other teams do too.
Speaker 6 (20:45):
I don't mean it's just the Broncos trying to research
those type players. Who are they and once they find one,
once they identify it, they're willing to, you know, invest
significant draft capital into trying to get to come to Denver.
Speaker 5 (21:01):
The backbones of these programs, you know what I mean.
But then not just the backbones are the programs, but
actually real players that come in here. And you know,
we always talk about, you know, how players could be
a distraction. But like let's remember about c. J. Stroud
when he went to Houston. They said he changed the
he changed the organization the minute he got there. And
that's the type of guys that the Broncos are looking for,
(21:21):
and those are the type of guys that they're going
to always keep around.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
Celtics are up nineteen to nine in the first quarter.
They've already attempted seven to three pointers and they've made
two of them.
Speaker 4 (21:30):
So what do you think, what's right now? What's the total?
Speaker 1 (21:34):
Well, they're gonna shoot fifty tonight, they're gonna shoot fifty three.
Speaker 4 (21:38):
I'm going to say over fifty over.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
I mean they're trying to Yeah, I mean, what was
there again? Math, It feels like they need to catch
catch up a little bit. They've only attempted seven.
Speaker 4 (21:49):
I'm gonna take over right now.
Speaker 7 (21:51):
Over.
Speaker 4 (21:51):
It is over.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
It is under under. You gotta do to state that
on that No.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
Rockies Tigers, And then they got a doubleheader tomorrow because
last night's game was postponed. That's an interesting text here, fellas.
As we were talking about the Nuggets a moment ago,
five six, six ninety zero, I'll take okay c in
the series.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
Not sure the Nuggets will win another game?
Speaker 4 (22:18):
Wow? Did you write that? Ryan? Come on? Yeah, I'm
just saying, who is you right? That right? Make sure
let me check the cell number.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
It is not none of my cell number.
Speaker 6 (22:29):
I would I would wager steak dinner that the Nuggets
win at least one more game.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
I think it's gonna get to six. I mean that's
my I said.
Speaker 5 (22:37):
I said seven, but I think it will go seven,
and we'll see. That's if okay See needs like, if
okay See actually wins a couple more games, then it
goes seven. I think the Nuggets can.
Speaker 4 (22:47):
Win in six. There we go.
Speaker 5 (22:51):
Yeah, I said it. I believe it. I'll tell you this.
After watching that game, you know, the Thunder actually really
weren't playing that bad until there and then, and the
Nuggets weren't playing good.
Speaker 6 (23:02):
A Thunder based on what I saw during the whole
course of the game, the Thunder had to win that game.
The Nuggets did not play their best. I thought, just
like Shelby, I thought, you know what Okama City is
getting out there, running, spreading the ball around. They've got
they got a lot of guys that can shoot the
ball until the fourth till the fourth quarter, so absolutely
(23:27):
crunch time.
Speaker 5 (23:29):
It's it's thankspering. I'm gonna keep I'm gonnakeep bringing it
up over and over and over again until the Thunder
drove me wrong. That experience is gonna be what loses
them this series.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
I'm sort of fascinated for tonight, just just for a
moment here.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
I'm fascinated about how our thoughts about this series could
really shift, right, because I wouldn't surprise any of us
in Voklahoma City come out and dominated tonight, right, I.
Speaker 4 (23:52):
Mean, what surprised me?
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (23:54):
Really if they came out and just I.
Speaker 6 (23:56):
Mean she lacked the Nuggets, very surprised, would be more surprise, Yes,
I would.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
I guess I guess I wouldn't because you picked ok City.
Speaker 5 (24:06):
I'm tellin is gonna slap. I think Denver's gonna go
out there and they're gonna come out snapping the first
that first quarter just on fire. I think Jamal Murray
had something to prove this game. It's you know, it's
he's gonna rise up to the occasion. There's no way
that the Nuggets shoot like how they did in the
first three quarters.
Speaker 6 (24:24):
How about how about Jamal in the post game on
T n T when Ernie had the first question somebody
it was a long it was, and it wasn't even
posed as a question, and it was it was eternally long.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
And so the camera's on.
Speaker 6 (24:42):
Jamal and he's just nodding, and he's looking away and
he looks.
Speaker 4 (24:46):
Back and finally I thought it was actually pretty good.
Speaker 6 (24:48):
He said, so to me, was was there a question
in there? Or you want me just to want me
just to comment? To Ernie's credit, he made fun of himself,
you know, at the end. But uh, I I think
I think Jamal could come out and be pretty lively tonight.
Speaker 4 (25:03):
That's what's such a great moment. It was.
Speaker 5 (25:06):
That's what's like the amazing part about the Nuggets are
really about Jamal Murray. Is like one game you can
have again like that.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
The next he drops fifty somebody said, I paid that
texture to text that in.
Speaker 5 (25:16):
You probably did.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
You guys get this all wrong.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
Same thing with the Wolves thing, like, for whatever reason,
I'm getting painted as a Thunder and Wolves fan.
Speaker 7 (25:23):
Well you definitely are you definitely say here you ain't
getting off the hook that that easy.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
For some reason, I'm being painted. I mean, are you serious?
Speaker 5 (25:35):
Like you can admit I'm a Bucks fan.
Speaker 7 (25:38):
You have been cracking on like how great Oak City was,
and I don't like the matchup and the Timberwolves.
Speaker 4 (25:47):
You've been on their jock for a while.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Whoa, whoa, Yo, Well, I.
Speaker 4 (25:52):
Mean that's just a phrase.
Speaker 7 (25:56):
It's Wolves and Thunder you have. You showed up in
the studio and it Bucks Jersey the.
Speaker 5 (26:06):
Game right after showed up here to the game, right
after you show up in flannel. That's that shows me
that you had Oklahoma City.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
That's pretty much your Jersey.
Speaker 4 (26:18):
Jersey. People actually listen listen to the show.
Speaker 6 (26:21):
You know, when you're talking to this mic, it goes
out there and people listen to what you say because
you definitely.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
Love you.
Speaker 5 (26:28):
For some reason, people with the Timber holder for some reason,
like you have to been like pounding the table for
the Timberwolves, Like, you know, we don't want to play
the timber Wolves.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
I did get four or five texts last night and
a tweet asking me like, hey.
Speaker 7 (26:42):
Your wolves, man, this is real, and you see they
saying your wolves, now your wolves here.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
Just at the record straight, that is not my wolves.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
The wolves of the Ryan you crying about.
Speaker 7 (26:55):
I don't want the Nuggets to have to play the
timble Wolves.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
I still, well, then just say then just admittels makes
me acknowledge that they are a very good team and
it's a bad matchup for the Nuns.
Speaker 7 (27:09):
Okay, so no, the Timberwolves hold the better part of it.
Speaker 4 (27:14):
Lately.
Speaker 6 (27:15):
It would be like saying Golden State, if Steph is back,
would be fearful of playing the Nuggets in the Western
Conference Finals because the Nuggets, no right.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
Nobody fears anybody.
Speaker 7 (27:31):
Nuggets don't fear the Timberwolves, and the Warriors don't fear
the next.
Speaker 5 (27:35):
Well, Ryan fears the thunder, and Ryan's sort of a fearful.
Speaker 7 (27:39):
Sword that in fairness to me, in fairness, you can't say,
in fairness to what would you get to decide what's
fair to you?
Speaker 1 (27:52):
In fairness to me, actually everything you said was pretty
much everything he said, We're pretty much sure. But the
thing about it is is, as I do, I did
pick the Thunder to win this series. I will be
very very happy if they do not. I will be
very happy that the Nuggets inded. But but this is
(28:12):
the thing tonight. I I think the Thunder are gonna
be good. I love your point about the fourth quarter.
I think that's very it's a very good frame to
put this game in.
Speaker 7 (28:22):
Real love is my my comment about the pooter holes
with the JACKAMI want to laugh.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
I'm gonna be driving away from here and I'm gonna
randomly start cracking up in the.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
Car because the visual. I'm just gonna start laughing.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
That's where. Wow, I'm just saying. I'm just saying, that's where.
That's that's that's a jack, right.
Speaker 5 (28:46):
So let me ask you this question if the Nuggets
when when the Nuggets here we go, when the Nuggets
win today, are you gonna have are your feelings going
to change on the series with the Nuggets beat up to.
Speaker 4 (28:59):
Oh, that's such a good question. I think it is too.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
That's a really good question.
Speaker 4 (29:03):
What's the answer. How much time to I have? You're
not able to all out you know, you can't just
keep saying that's a big question much time. You're gonna
be saying that for the next twelve minutes.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
You know, if the Nuggets win tonight's win.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
The Nuggets win tonight, yes, I will have to amend
my feelings and predictions of the series because.
Speaker 5 (29:26):
You know how tough it is to play in Denver.
I know how tough it is to play. That's like, hey,
and and that's where I also believe the Nuggets has
the advantage because it just has a natural conditioning to
have these long battles. Or Oklahoma City, because you know,
they're based in the altitude. So when you go down
to a place like Oklahoma City, you feel great, feel
(29:49):
like you can run a whole maritime And so we'll
be there. And that's one thing you did see. Oklahoma
City did look a little tired of you. And so
we'll we'll see how this kind of all plays out.
Speaker 4 (29:58):
I hope it win tonight.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Wrong even to be wrong, I hope they win tonight.
Speaker 4 (30:03):
The Nuggets.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
Yeah, but because Boyd and Dave will never let me
hear the end of it.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
But it'll be worth it. It'll still be worth it.
Speaker 4 (30:12):
It's gonna be great.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
The Celtics are up thirty seven to twenty seven.
Speaker 4 (30:21):
About the score, yeah, thirty four to twenty seven, right.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Yeah, the box scores ahead, oh a little bit.
Speaker 4 (30:26):
You where where really like way ahead?
Speaker 5 (30:30):
No, I would notice if you if you look at
the ESPN app and you're looking.
Speaker 4 (30:35):
The game, it's always ahead of what is on TV.
Speaker 5 (30:40):
And so I can't look at that like basketball games
on the ESPN app because if you're watching it, it's
never going to be what you need. And you know
he makes it. So oh it didn't make that. So
you know the Knicks miss on this possession or turn
it over.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
Yeah, the box score here, there you go, that's going
to go in. No, oh my gosh. In the offensive rebound,
check your.
Speaker 5 (30:57):
Back out, Jalen Brown from the corner up and good?
All right, yeah he was finally right right, that's way
about behind.
Speaker 4 (31:05):
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Well, I have thirty with four to thirty four remains
the next get a three pointer here, a three point
right here?
Speaker 4 (31:13):
Wow, look at us O Kanobi. You know what tell
in the future.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
The Celtics are four of eighteen.
Speaker 4 (31:20):
From me, I said more than fifteen four.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
It's not great, not great, and I think what you
said earlier was great. It's not good basketball, it's not
fun to watch, but it's.
Speaker 4 (31:32):
What they've done all year.
Speaker 6 (31:33):
That's I agree with you completely, but it's it's what
they've done all year.
Speaker 4 (31:38):
So you know they're not going to change now.
Speaker 5 (31:40):
This is not a good product for the fans, although
I think in this game, as we sit here and
watch it, Jaln Brown's taking the ball to the basket
a lot more.
Speaker 4 (31:49):
Got sixteen points already.
Speaker 5 (31:52):
That's a guy that's going to have to really step
his game up as because what he went one for
ten last game from three, So for him, you know,
obviously you know what you're gonna gotta take them. Dynen
Brown's was so up and down. He can explode for
almost forty and then random and just dropped ten. So
he's really going to be the X factor. Well, actually no,
Derek White's really the X factor for them. But Coloradi Kid,
(32:13):
Oh yeah, Parker hey, Parker Legend.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
Hey, we didn't spend a lot of time in the
first hour.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
We're gonna ready to have things off the Rockies and
we're new or picks for the Youuggus game. But we
didn't discuss how much Tyree's Haliburton actually screwed up the
final plays there, they get to steal, they're down by three,
it's less than twenty four seconds.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
He drives the lake.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
He gets bailed out by getting found, but they're down
way three. He's got to be taking a shot there,
right am I the only one that thinks that.
Speaker 4 (32:41):
He's the most over ready to play in the league.
Speaker 5 (32:43):
Now there's that, you know what, the most over I
bet all those dudes feel stupid as well right now,
because you know, Tyas Haliburton, he's that hit. I know,
I know, at least it's two at least in the
last two seasons, had two game winners and really has
been their team. And that's from a paces to that
was down the whole game and then claws their way
(33:04):
back and he was able to get into rebound and
then we would talk about it during the break. You know,
the minute he started got the rebound, he's like, oh,
he's shooting this and it's gonna be from three. Yeah,
it's gonna be from three. And you know, obviously it
didn't work out for the cast, but man, you gotta
be worried for you're the Cavaliers right now because you're
you're banged up and you're down two oh at and
(33:26):
you got to go to Indiana for two games.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
PACER's gonna go to the Eastern Conference Finals. Who's going
to represent on the East between these two teams?
Speaker 4 (33:32):
Dave?
Speaker 2 (33:32):
What do you think in Boston?
Speaker 5 (33:35):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (33:35):
Yeah, I think. I think. I think the Celtics.
Speaker 6 (33:38):
I like the knicks grit, and I love Jalen Brunston's game,
but I think the Celtics have too much for him.
Speaker 4 (33:47):
I think this at most is a six game series.
Speaker 5 (33:50):
Yeah, but think about it. This man, Indiana. I'm not
gonna lie to you. You know, it's the time where
the hot team wins.
Speaker 4 (33:59):
They had to watch one of the ball.
Speaker 5 (34:00):
They can't score naked shoot, so you got to watch
out for him.
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