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Speaker 1 (00:00):
By them was Rick Lewis and Studio. We're ontil six
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o'clock this evening. We'll have things off to the Rockies
and Padres. Is it a tough tough couple of days
for the Rockies?
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Man? I don't even know what to say. Do you
say days? The year of the season? Months?
Speaker 3 (00:15):
It's tough.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
You didn't see this coming sixth No, I did not.
Nobody did.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
I bet the over and I I mean, who could
have predicted they'd be six and thirty one, six.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
And thirty one, seven, eighteen and a half back.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
We're watching history. They could break the all time record.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Long season though, Rick, that's the problem. It's a long season. Really, Yeah,
it's a good point. On other side of that coin
is can you imagine being on that team? Well, you're
making a fortune playing a game. But you know what
I think of, Dave is the broadcasters Jack and j Yeah,
one hundred and sixty two games and you're six and
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thirty one.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Talk about a grind. Those two guys though, if you
if you listen to him, I honestly, goodness, just because
we carry the games here, but they they they really
make it entertaining. If you didn't know the record of
the team before the game and you just listen to them.
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I mean you could say, hey, the Rockies are twenty
and seventeen, right because they I mean, and that there's
a there's an art I think in that ability, and
I think I think Jack and Jerry both.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Have itous but I agree where it could be like,
oh a lot of games, my god, and you're on
the road for a long time, it stretches.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
And obviously they love what they do so that factors
into it, and they're they're well paid as well.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
But man, that would be brutal.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
And you're right, because I do listen on occasion, you'd
think they were playing the most important game.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Of the year, well for them, but it probably is
in a lot of ways.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
I'll suggest the night to win the seventh, it's pretty
damn important, A pretty big.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Deal, pretty big deal.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
I mean, you guys have had some pretty lean years
for the Broncos over the last decade.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
I certainly have, yeah, seven straight losing seasons.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
But Dave was never counting you know that.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
I mean, Dave let me know every week. Well because
people were blaming you. People thought I was delayed on
I mean a curse. So last year you had never
been part of a season as a color analyst for
the Broncos. Right that Denver had a winning record. It's
hard to believe, isn't it. And it's it gets hard.
It wears. It was wearing on me. I don't know
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if it wore on you like it wre on me,
because you obviously had just such a great run your
first two years is the play by play guy. They
went super Bowls, which is incredible. Hey, the year before
ninety six, I did all the I did road games
and they were thirteen and three. Yeah, you know, I
had a great, great run. But it really really wore
on me, you know. And I love it and I
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loved every week. I look forward to every week. But
losing gets really old. It sucks. Even as a broadcaster,
I feel like it gets old. Maybe I take it
too personally.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Well, I mean, it is more fun to talk about
winning teams, and we do this for a living and
is certainly more fun. But then there's a certain amount
of I guess, compartmentalizing. I mean, you to tell me
what better I'm saying from this side of things when
we talk about it as far as the post game
and talk about it on this show. You just say, hey,
we cover what we know, we talk about what we know,
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and this is what they are and listen.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
Think. I think I think the city. You can tell
when the Broncos win and are playing well and fans
are excited. There's just a different energy I think with
the city. But I think, given now, last year certainly
was pretty good because they got things going in the
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right direction, They got back in the playoffs, they won
ten games, they found their quarterback. There are so many
positives about that. The preceding years there were glimpses of hope,
and I think as long as you can, as long
as you can tell the truth. You got to say
it in a professional way because you know the team's
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games are carried here. But you still have to be
able when they don't play well. You got to be able.
You can't say, well, man, they're playing pretty good and
just there was only like ten or eleven plays. Had
those plays been different, you can't say stuff like that.
You got to be able to be honest with your
listeners and say, hey, you know what, they're not playing
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very well right now.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Now.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
You probably don't want to come out and see, you know,
they suck beyond compare, but you're essentially being honest and
saying they're not playing very well. So it's it's been
bad football lately. Yeah, And you're really good at that.
And I learned a lot from you along that seven
year stretch on how to do it the right way.
And and for me, every week was the biggest game
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of the year. That's how I treated it, and that's
how I prepared for it. The one thing I didn't
like is when they lost, you couldn't play the next day,
which you can do in baseball. You know, I don't
like to lose, even as a broadcaster, and I know
you're exactly the same day, So that was the thing.
Now you got to wait a week before you get
a chance to play the game again. And it took
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me like twenty four hours to shake it off every
single time. And after twenty four hours now I'm diving
into the next game prep that all goes away. But
it would be nice to be able to play right
away when you lose a game. Football doesn't work out way.
Let's get out of the story of the day. North
Carolina has refuted the report from Pablo Torres that Bill
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Belichick's girlfriend Jordan Hudson was going to be banned from
any of the football activities, practice, anything else considered to
be a football uh activity. In fact, North Carolina has
gone so far as to say she is welcome at
the facility from this point out. And Pablo Torres said
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he had eleven sources, including family members, that said that
they're really worried about Bill Belichick. Well, they might, I
mean they might be. I think what happened here is
Belichick went in and go said you got to back
me up here. You have to put something out. Do
you think it's any good. He's whipped to the extent
you can't do that himself. I think he absolutely said
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you got to back the heat.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Off of her.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
You got to think he could have said, hey, Jordan, listen,
you gotta you got to back up a little bit
on this. I don't think he wants to let me
let me rephrase that. He wouldn't say, he wouldn't say anything.
He would say, you've got to let me answer when
a question is posed to me. I don't know, manet,
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I don't need you at least let me. You don't
think he could say that. I think he's too whipped, right, now, okay,
then it's that I really do Okay.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Well, it's not too surprised in my opinion, after the
Pablo Touris report this morning, it's not too surprising that
you and see whether it's Bell Belichick's direction or not,
came out and pushed back against this story because it's
not a good look for them either, Like this story
being out there, the way it's framed, it looks like
they feel threatened by the situation.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
They don't like the situation.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
It definitely doesn't make Bill Belichick not look in the
best light.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
So I wasn't too surprised.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
I think this can ultimately be a multiple things can
be true conversation, as in, maybe this was something that
they wanted to do, and then when they saw the
backlash about it, or they saw the way it was
being framed out there, they panicked and they sit out a.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
No, no, no, everything's good, everything's fine, she's awesome, we love her.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
So that's what it feels like to me, is the
PR backlash of it is a controlled spin.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
That's my fee.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
I don't know if there's an a PR backlash. I think
when I saw that story, I'm thinking, Okay, what that
car ride from their assuming they live in a nice
residential area, on their way to the football office with
Coach Belichick and Jordan Hudson. What's that conversation like this
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morning after the Pablo Torres story breaks? So I think
if what Rick said is true, and Belichick went to
the athletic director or somebody else in the football department,
said hey, could you do me a solid because you
know I'm right now, I'm caught in a very delicate situation.
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Could you just maybe say that she's not going to
be allowed? Okay, appreciate it. Then the story breaks, She
reads story and whatever her nickname for Coach Belichick is.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Bunny, I mean.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
Whatever she says, she says, look at this, Yeah, what
do you think about this? At that point, the next
thing out of Coach Belichick's mouth is essential, like to
how the rest of his life is going to go
for the foreseeable future, how he handles that absolutely and
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it put him in a really tough spot. And you
know he's probably sleeping on the couch for a couple
of nights. You don't think, get the hell out of here.
What are you talking about? You don't think those couch?
Is it? Well? It's his couch. But you know, she's
running the show. She's telling him what to do, Dave.
She is calling the shots. I know you hate to
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look at them, but I believe right now she's calling
the shot. I believe the family when they say, and
this was part of the part of the report that
they were worried about absolutely, you know whatever they said,
but they were worried about the legacy. I think that
is legitimate concern. Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Illi check. He's got three he has three.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
Children, and I, you know, with based on what's going
on and the look of how this whole thing is
is taking place, if I were a child, I'd be like,
wait a minute, this this is not going well. I
said that last week on my show, that it's not
going well. They should do an intervention with him. The family,
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the three kids, they're all coaches, one of them coaches
with him. Do an intervention. Dad, what are you doing.
You are ruining your legacy, You could be ruining your life.
You need to back off. You need to back out
of this somehow. But I don't see that. How to
be celibate for the next six months. He might be
celibate now I told you he was sleeping on the couch.
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So anonymous sources tell Rick for Sunday, I'm going to
head this year. I'm gonna go visit my mom. Okay,
this weekend, that'd be good. Yeah, ninety two years old.
Very cool, Yeah, very cool. Got to take care of your.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Mom, Yeah, no doubt. I worked ahead.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
I got flowers for my mom, we got flowers for
my mother in law, and then I've already got everything
together for my wife.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
This is the first year in my entire adulthood. I'm
like ahead of the game. So rare.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
I didn't get my mom anything yet, but I am.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Flying down there.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Your presence is the presence, that's what she said.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
Yeah. Now my wife's going to be here. It's Mother's
Day for her too.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
But so you're flying down to see your mom tomorrow morning.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
In abandoning your wife.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
Yeah, but she's cool with it. Okay, Yeah, she's got
other plans. Okay, Yeah, that's a great you know, I
know deal.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
I love deal. Hey, so we do have a little
bit of Broncos news.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
They cut punter Matt Hak today as well as long
snappers act Tryn and Tryiner. Sorry, So that that's to
get the roster down to But as we were having
the conversation about the rookies that were intrigued with or
most excited to see, maybe we should have said Jeremy Crosshaw,
who's the rookie AUSSI punter that the Broncos drafted out of.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Florida, who's now in line to be the starter?
Speaker 3 (12:14):
Dave?
Speaker 2 (12:15):
I don't know. We don't.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
We don't spend a lot of time breaking down punters
and I'm not about to start now.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
You sure, But at the same time, I'll just say.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
It sounds like start a little bit.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
I'll just say that if that is an issue this year,
I mean, you drafted punter, You're gonna play the punter, right.
I mean that we just know that if it's an
issue there, then there's gonna be people that are gonna
be calling into the show afterwards and be like, ah,
we believed in a rookie at punter and he was
terrible this year. And anyways, that's me looking into the future.
I'm excited about it. He was fun to talk to you,
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by the way on draft night. It's good, good kid.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
Here's my comment on the should get it?
Speaker 2 (12:54):
I got it? I heard crickets loud and clear.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Oh the kid Carey was about to play that sound
from justin Step.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
Yeah, I's gonna do that again. Perfect timing right there.
Oh man, you know that he had his forehead when
that one ripped. I mean you know that he side.
You think everything's going to be nice until you hear
it and you're like, oh god, yeah, I hope they
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didn't hear that on the radio. Is that the.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Actual well, yeah, that's the actual sound. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
Okay, and this concludes our player talk for Friday.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Oh my gosh, all right, we'll come back.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
I do want to get back into the Nuggets big
game coming up tonight.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Rick Lewis, Dave Logan, Ryan Evers will be to that next.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Big Aids Nights Game three, Nuggets and Thunder. The Nuggets
currently five and a half point underdogs. I wonder if
that line actually is shifted it all.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Let me look at it. Four and a half. Wait, nope,
five and a half. Still four and a half for Cleveland.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
Cleveland's now four and a half point favorites on the
road against the Pacers.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
The Nuggets are five and a half point.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Favorites are underdogs against the Thunder coming up at eight
o'clock tonight, which will probably be more like eight point
fifteen when all said and done. All right, just for fun,
and we'll check in with Roweye Bean from CBS down
there to ball Arena coming up at five thirty. She's
gonna give us the lay of the land how people
are feeling down there.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
But I don't know.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Dave will start with you, like, how are you feeling
checking in with you from an hour ago, how are
you feeling about tonight's game?
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Who's got to show up big?
Speaker 3 (14:39):
And I showed the thunder number has moved to six.
Speaker 4 (14:44):
Okay, I got a ESPN here. That's that's that's not good. No,
that's not good. In terms of who has to show
up for the game. I think the the entire mind.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Said of the Nuggets defensively has to show for the game.
You know, Oklahoma City is one of the best defensive
teams in the NBA, and that for the most part,
that's been their identity. That an SGA, but that's been
their identity. They've got a whole bunch of athletes. They've
got guys that are not afraid to take three point shots.
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They've got a great player in Shay and they lock
you up on defense. So I think the Nuggets have
to come out with the mindset that we're home, this
is our home court, and we are going to turn
this into to use the phrase that I heard the
other day, a rock fight. There's going to be a
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rock fight here at Ball Arena. You guys, you punked
us in a big way in game two. Congratulations. Now
this is going to be different, and so I'm anxious
to see and I think you can see it with
in the first probably six minutes in the first quarter,
right so half half the first quarter. The second thing
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I would say is I think Joki comes out is
much more, much more aggressive. You still have to get
I thought the defense against Jamal in Game two was unbelievable.
I mean they're checking him, They're fighting over the top
of screens, screens that are thirty feet away from the basket.
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They're still fighting over the top of that thing. I
mean that you got to have. I mean you have
to have a dedication to the defensive end and guys
that are willing to put that kind of effort into it,
and the thunder in that game did. So you got
to find ways to free up Jamal and get him
some easier looks that he's had, and then it's just
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a matter of, you know, playing hard and finding a
way to win a game.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
What are you doing about MPJ Obviously he's struggling.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
Yeah, And back to Jamal, I think he's the biggest
key to the game for the Nuggets tonight.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Jamal has to have a big game.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
And regarding MPG, I don't you know, it's hard for
me to count on him. He's playing hurt. He doesn't
play defense at all.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Anyway.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
He can get hot, that's one thing he brings. He
can shoot threes if he has a game and occasionally
he does where he's hitting a lot of his shots.
And Murray plays his game, they win tonight. You know
what you're going to get from Joker and that's a given.
So to me, it's Murray and MPGA and more especially Murray.
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If Murray has scores twenty five to thirty points, Joker
plays his normal game, I think they win the game tonight.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
You know, one story that we talked about on Wednesday,
Dave was the team that controls the turnovers?
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Do you realize?
Speaker 1 (17:58):
And I saw this on ESPN and I think it
was one hundred and sixteen something like that.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
But the Nuggets have had one hundred and.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
Sixteen turnovers so far in the postseason, which is more
than any other team in the NBA.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
Yeah, and some of them, to interject into your point,
some of them are just sloppy turnovers. Yeah, I mean
on forced airs, sloppy bounce passes into traffic that are intercepted.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
No, it's I mean, it's just something that when you're
taking on a team that is as deep as the
Oklahoma City Thunder, as talented on defense, you just can't
give them extra you can't give them extra possessions. And
that was I think where the slide started, because this
started very early. They are all score forty five to
twenty one in the first quarter of the game. But
a lot of that stemmed from extra opportunities for Oklahoma City.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
They don't need extra help. They just don't.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
And so if you're going to give them those extra
that extra work, that extra tick, as you would say, Dave,
over the next two games, then this series is going
to be over pretty quick.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
Forty five points in the first quarter, eighty seven in
the first half, And some of that is and over related.
Some of that is the lack of force that the
Nuggets played with on defense. They look like a satisfied team.
Oklahoma City look like a desperate team. So tonight Denver
has to play within themselves, but they've got to play
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with much more force and desperation. You know, it's not
a win or go home game, but it's hey, it's
at least for the moment, we are seizing control of
this series game. If the Nuggets can find a way
to win tonight, can you imagine how desperate Oklahoma City
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will be to win Game four? And they got to
win it here in Denver, right Otherwise they're down three
to one. Now, we've seen teams come back from three
to one, but it doesn't happen a lot. So Tonight's game,
and if I'm David Adelman, you just try to impress
upon these players the importance of tonight's game. It's going
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to be when it's all said and done, the winner
of tonight's game, honestly, I think, will win the series.
I want to ask you about him, Dave, the interim coach,
and how you think he's done as far as his substitutions,
how he's handling the team. They certainly weren't ready to
play in that last game. How you look at him now,
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I think he's I think he's been really good. I mean,
I think he's been really good. You know they I
thought in the first game of the series they had
two or three like different sets on offense that I
hadn't seen. And it seems like, and you listen to
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some of his exchanges with the players, you know he's
making his point. He's honest about it. I mean, they're
used to him, he's been he's been the top assistant
for a number of years here. But I think by
and large, given the fact that going into the playoff
series he didn't have hardly any production off the bench,
I think he's coaxed a couple of those guys into
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valuable positions. You've seen at times guys come in the game.
I mean, you know, Westbrook, Westbrook was your best player
in Game two. I just wonder if Westbrook is going
to find himself in the starting lineup because of the
injury to MPJ.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
And if that's the case, okay.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
But somebody has to come off the bench, as Estrawther
is that Watson. Somebody has to come off the bench
and give them You know eight to ten points and
play good, solid defense. So I want to follow up
to that, say, the Nuggets lose in six or even seven,
do you think they give him the job. I don't
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know if they lose the series, right, and I talked
about that. We've talked about it a couple of times.
My guess, I don't think there's been any decision made.
If the Nuggets lose a toughies in six or seven,
does he have a chance. Yeah, I would it be
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a great chance. I think it depends on what Josh
Kronk feels like. Is the relationship between the key players,
Jokic maybe maybe Jamal to a lesser degree, but Yoki's
for sure. And then I I, you know, you got
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to hire a GM. Usually the GM wants to bring
his own guy in. So I think it's I think
I think it would be up in the air. Honestly, no,
I said, sorry, Brian, But to me, even if he
doesn't get the job, I think he's proved he can
be an NBA head coach. I think he's a winner
either way, whether the Nuggets give him the job or
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he goes somewhere else, because I think he's shown he's
capable of doing that. So I feel pretty good about him.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
He's here to push the right buttons.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
I think to your point, David's, it's kind of going
to start with if Nikola Jokic sees a path forward
with this guy is the leading this.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Team as the head coach, then he'll probably be the guy.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
And I'll tell you something that I think has really
helped him, like really helped him outside of Denver. Has
nothing to do with the Nuggets. It's what happened in
San Antonio. Greg Popovich steps away, is going to be
the director of Basketball Operations whatever his title is going
to be his lead assistant for the last six years,
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is now the new head coach and was the interim
coach when when they weren't sure whether Pop was going
to come back or not. So I think that kind
of move probably helps David adamans a little.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Blueprint, YEP kind of deal. Yeah, I think that's a
really good point. I want to go back to MPJA
for a second. You'd start Russ instead of Peyton Watson
like you cause I know I'm.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Not saying that.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
I just what I said was, I just wonder if
if Russell will be in the starting lineup, So was
your best player in Game two? What the Nuggets don't
want to have to do is not get off to
a good start and dig themselves out of a sizeable hole.
You know you want I mean, this is obvious. You
want to give your fans who are going to be
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really excited to be there. You want to give them
something to cheer about and really make it a home
court advantage. So I think I think a good start
is really much more important for the for the Nuggets
than it would be for the Thunder.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
I'm completely agree with you, especially when you want to
keep the home crowd kind of into it. You want
to keep them all fired up, and I think that
a lot of Nuggets fans are going to be nervous
early on in this game, Rick, I mean, honestly, when
you're thinking about it in terms of what just happened
a couple of nights ago in Oklahoma City. If for
some reason Oklahoma City comes out and they're just guns
blazing and it's they get forty points, they hang forty
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points on this team again in the first quarter, that
crowd is going to sort of take a step back
and say, oh boy, this is this team is way outmatched,
even though we all know they don't.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Necessarily have to be.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
And you still have Nicola Jokic and you still have
Jamal Murray, guys that can play catch up.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
In a hurry.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
But it's just the waves that way at how Oklahoma
City comes at you.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
It makes it very difficult.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
And the adjustment to the adjustment, that's always the fascinating
part of any series, Right, what Mark Dagnolt did to
adjust to nicolea Jokic's physicality, right, Because Dave, you and
I talked about it on Wednesday that they had chet
Holmgren on him a lot. That was a bad match
up for Cheded Holmgren. He is not there to cover
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nicolea Jokic. But in the next game, they they not
only did went with Hartenstein, but they they brought in
was I think it was Jalen Williams. Office was, yeah,
they had him in their kind of I mean.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
Jalen Williams gave a shot to Nicole Jokic and that
that was the play that Russell Westbrook came running in.
But it was just a two handed of Jokic from
Jalen Williams. So I thought the Nuggets were too passive
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with some of that some of that stuff. I don't
view Oklahoma City as like a team that is overly tough.
I think they're really skilled, but I don't view them,
you know, like a team that you got to make
sure you're careful here otherwise you're going to get up
ended under the basket. But I thought I thought they
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took liberties. And this is probably old school way of
looking at maybe back in the eighties and nineties, uh
in the NBA, I thought they took liberties that like, Okay,
So to me, the Nuggets have to come out with
a with a more of a ferocity defensively, a mindset
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that this is going to be different. Right, you might
beat us because you're really talented, but I promise you this,
you're gonna feel us the entire game we had And
they did not come out that way in Game two
at all. But that you that you had a push,
I was like, okay, big boy, all right. Do you
feel like the Nuggets are more vulnerable when the other
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teams are really physical? Like can they match that physicality? Well,
I'm not sure. I'm not sure that I think the
Nuggets have I mean, I think Aaron Gordon can match
any kind of physical play. I don't think gives up
anything physically, and I liked it. Like in game one.
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In Game one, they tried to be a little physical
with Hartenstein and others in the post and they wound
up catching an elbow in the back of the head.
I mean inadvertently, of course. But yeah, I think Jokich
he understands the game. If you want to, you know,
do some of the stuff you're gonna catch, You're gonna
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catch one of the ear and I'm gonna say I'm sorry.
So ag. I think Christian Brown can be physical. I
didn't think he was in Game two. Westbrook as as
Westbrook's Westbrook is not really afraid of anything nothing, So
I think they've got their guy. I mean, I think
they've got some dudes, for sure. I just think, you, man,
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you've got to bring your stuff tonight. You have to
pack it in the suitcase, put it in the car,
and drive it to ball Arena and then use it
for the entire game.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
Completely agree. Yeah, that's a good question about the physicality.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
And people on the text line, by the way, five
six six nine zero are saying that this Robin Brush
says nuggets have to be more physical against Oklahoma City
and play defense. Yes, yeah, the defense, some of the breakdowns.
Especially you mentioned Christian Brown in the first hour. That
might be legitimately the worst game I've ever seen him play.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
I saw, I saw, and I don't know that I've
ever seen this from him standard I mean, ball the ball,
I mean rebounded the ball. I just didn't. I thought
they played like a satisfied team. And that's you know
what that that can that can sort of permeate your
locker room. And if you're not careful after you win
game one, you think we're gonna go out and yep,
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we think we can get game two, but you don't
bring that desperation and and that hunger certainly that Oklahoma City, right,
So the Nuggets have to bring that tonight as they're
back home.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
And you know what, I really think they will.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
I think I think fans will see a much much
different Nuggets team.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
No, I completely agree on that.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
So we'll get back into that here in just a
little bit very quickly before we hit the top of
the hour. This was a pretty funny story that Rick
sent me earlier. Let's need on the Rich Eisen Show.
Do you want to set this up.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
I'm trying to remember what I sent you. Now it
was that was real early this morning.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
Well, let's seed was talking about how Pete Carroll, Oh yeah, yeah,
put the Rams in hotel.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
Now see, I didn't know this is a thing you
could do.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
But apparently Lessened was telling rich Eisen that Pete Carroll,
when he was with the Seahawks would set the Rams
up in hotels in Seattle that had furry conventions.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
That is funny if he was doing that, And you know,
I didn't know that you could book the hotel visiting team.
Dave would know that probably more than anybody. What about
furry conventions? Well, no can can the does the home
team choose the hotel the visiting team is going to
stay in? I don't think so. No, Well, he's saying
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that Pete Carroll would on purpose book the Rams into
a fury convention hotel the weekend they were having a
furry convention.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
A couple of times. Here's the sound. It's pretty fair, actually,
but yeah, it's really good.
Speaker 5 (30:53):
You know this, Not only have we shared a hotel
in Seattle with a furry convention.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
I think we've done it out twice.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
I think it's been twice.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
I might be wrong, but I can't see.
Speaker 6 (31:08):
You're in Seattle and this is the scene.
Speaker 5 (31:11):
Let me tell you this. Soon you think about a football,
it's September, it's oct it's there's a you get to
December football and you really need a lift.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
I just think you've been.
Speaker 5 (31:20):
Traveling to the same whole taste kind of. You know,
it's getting a little there's some doldrums going on. Then
you show up in the lobby there and all of
a sudden, you know, you know what, he got.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
A second win to finish scene to sing out.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
I mean there's actually people.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
These are actually.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Human beings that showed up in dress like so it's
it's and I can't say this.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
If you talk about people.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Who are passionate, they're passionate. That's costume party.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
I mean that's not just hey, I.
Speaker 5 (31:47):
Had to go to this costume party and get something
out of the closet. That's well thought out, no well intentionality.
Speaker 6 (31:55):
I've heard of teams trying to get the road team
off their game by pulling a fire alarm at four
in the morning in the hotel. This is next level
because if it's twice, now the Seattle Seahawks are doing
this to you Less.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
I got to be honest with you straight up.
Speaker 5 (32:07):
You know that's you know that was back in the
peak Carrol Eraso. You know, this seems like something Pete
might do.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
Lsmanship. You know, there's there's always.
Speaker 5 (32:17):
Some gray area in the game theory.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
I just try to again to your point.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
The first thing, when I first saw that, I was like, wait,
do the Rams are relying on the Seahawks to book
their hotel?
Speaker 2 (32:28):
No?
Speaker 3 (32:28):
But you can? You can you know ahead of time,
like the Broncos know right now what hotels they're going
to stay in on the road, right and they already
have reservations, So not too hard for a home team
to find that out. And then maybe, I mean, Rick,
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I don't I don't know if you've explained this or not.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
I'm out there.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
You did the one furry convention, but well, wait, what
my thought was In Seattle almost every hotel has a
furry convention every weekend. That's Seattle for you. So I'm
not surprised you're diverting.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
Yes, you are nice side stuff.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
I've never been to a furry convention, but I have
seen that. I had a group of furries. What did
you tell me about Okay, on my lawn? Once you
played the group? What did you tell me?
Speaker 2 (33:17):
What?
Speaker 3 (33:18):
What didn't you engage? So, I mean airic quotes with
with it. Didn't you meet a bunch of furry people
one time at a hotel? No, but I had a
group that was camped out.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
On my lawn.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
Okay, maybe that's real, and maybe I told you that. Yeah,
I didn't know what they were at the time. It's
like four or five years ago, on your lawn. Yeah.
I looked out the window and there were they were
in a circle, all hollowed up in a circle, you know,
with cat ears on and all this, And I thought
I was having a dream. And then I got my wife.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
I said, look at what what is this ayahuasca?
Speaker 3 (33:52):
And she knew it was She goes, oh, they're furries,
that's what I mean. And I'm like, furries, Yeah, she's
your lawn. The fact that they came to year lawn
on my lawn, you think that was coincidental? And I said, well,
you wonder you think they're going to be here for
a while? And wait what And they were kids? They
look like high school kids. Okay, So I kept an
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eye on them, and they ended up leaving. They probably
saw this this dude looking out the window at him
the whole time. They're like, let's get the hell out
of here. Give them a thought, this guy, look at
this guy giving us the stink guy out the window,
the sprinklers or something. But I didn't know.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
I didn't know. I didn't know what suries.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
Were at that time. So no, I know you do.
That's my experience with the furries. They weren't doing anything wrong.
They're just expressing themselves. Is that how you look at it? Yeah,
they identify as a certain animal, so's it's wrong with that? Dave?
Come on, Dave, it's twenty twenty five. Why on your
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Why on my lawn is a good question.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
I don't know. Was it like an attraction?
Speaker 3 (34:58):
Was there like a no? No, I didn't put any
like cat food out or anything like that, like catman
to put a litter box out, you know, just in
case you've done him a solid where the guys would
do it. Yeah, you're right, Yeah, he's like, but that's
funny that if he did do that on purpose. And
I think Dave knows what he's talking about. I don't
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think the visiting team is going to stay at a
hotel that the home team.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
Said, Hey, you need to stay here.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
Okay, so you're saying, Dave that you think this is
more of Pete Carroll knew where the Rams were staying
and maybe suggest they.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
Had had had a furry contact hookups.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
More likely, that is more likely. That's a great story.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
That's and then again, as Lesson, he said, it actually
put a little wind in theirselves.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
I'd be wondering.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
I'd be interested to see how the Rams fared in
those games, because the Rams have really had the Seahawks number.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
Yeah, and the Rams have been really good for a while.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
Yeah, so maybe you backfired and Pete Carroll And now
Pete Carroll in our division, so we'll see if he.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
Plays some dans biship stuff with the Broncos.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
And I know we're up against a break, but people
are texting what the heck's up? Furry convention boy. A
lot of people probably don't even know what a furry is.
I didn't until four or five years ago. It's people
that identify as an animal and they dress up like
that animal. And from what I hear and Dave, you're
in the high school a lot I'm here, and there's
a lot of furries in these schools. They're allowed to
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go to school dressed like that.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
Dave? Is that true? What did you want to comment
on what?
Speaker 3 (36:29):
Dave? Yeah, I spent a lot of time there, you know,
but I spent a lot of time in my office,
so I don't I don't run in with that too
many furries. But you see, from what I hear, you're
allowed to dress. Never had a furry or furries on
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my lawn. Never never looked out my window and seen
a bunch of furries. What would you have done? You've
been alarmed? Would you been like, cut off my lawn?
You phraz No, it's another drop we have. But I
would have I would have walked out and said, hey,
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what y'all doing? You would have walked out? Well, I
mean for sure you didn't.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
I didn't.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
I was watching them. They seemed harmless to me. But
but I was a little suspicious, like what the heck
is there? Because when you don't know what it is,
so so the furries on your lawn seemed harmless. So
if you'd have looked out and seen, I don't know,
like a group of Hell's angels with their choppers on
your lawn. Would you have walked out? Then I would
(37:40):
have called nine to one one at that point that
would have been the smart place.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
Problem.
Speaker 3 (37:49):
Yeahs, you just let them, Let it be right, cut
off my lawn, you phrazed O. Great, you got another one,
all right,
By them was Rick Lewis and Studio. We're ontil six
(00:02):
o'clock this evening. We'll have things off to the Rockies
and Padres. Is it a tough tough couple of days
for the Rockies?
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Man? I don't even know what to say. Do you
say days? The year of the season? Months?
Speaker 3 (00:15):
It's tough.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
You didn't see this coming sixth No, I did not.
Nobody did.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
I bet the over and I I mean, who could
have predicted they'd be six and thirty one, six.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
And thirty one, seven, eighteen and a half back.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
We're watching history. They could break the all time record.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Long season though, Rick, that's the problem. It's a long season. Really, Yeah,
it's a good point. On other side of that coin
is can you imagine being on that team? Well, you're
making a fortune playing a game. But you know what
I think of, Dave is the broadcasters Jack and j Yeah,
one hundred and sixty two games and you're six and
(00:52):
thirty one.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Talk about a grind. Those two guys though, if you
if you listen to him, I honestly, goodness, just because
we carry the games here, but they they they really
make it entertaining. If you didn't know the record of
the team before the game and you just listen to them.
(01:15):
I mean you could say, hey, the Rockies are twenty
and seventeen, right because they I mean, and that there's
a there's an art I think in that ability, and
I think I think Jack and Jerry both.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Have itous but I agree where it could be like,
oh a lot of games, my god, and you're on
the road for a long time, it stretches.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
And obviously they love what they do so that factors
into it, and they're they're well paid as well.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
But man, that would be brutal.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
And you're right, because I do listen on occasion, you'd
think they were playing the most important game.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Of the year, well for them, but it probably is
in a lot of ways.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
I'll suggest the night to win the seventh, it's pretty
damn important, A pretty big.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Deal, pretty big deal.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
I mean, you guys have had some pretty lean years
for the Broncos over the last decade.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
I certainly have, yeah, seven straight losing seasons.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
But Dave was never counting you know that.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
I mean, Dave let me know every week. Well because
people were blaming you. People thought I was delayed on
I mean a curse. So last year you had never
been part of a season as a color analyst for
the Broncos. Right that Denver had a winning record. It's
hard to believe, isn't it. And it's it gets hard.
It wears. It was wearing on me. I don't know
(02:36):
if it wore on you like it wre on me,
because you obviously had just such a great run your
first two years is the play by play guy. They
went super Bowls, which is incredible. Hey, the year before
ninety six, I did all the I did road games
and they were thirteen and three. Yeah, you know, I
had a great, great run. But it really really wore
on me, you know. And I love it and I
(02:58):
loved every week. I look forward to every week. But
losing gets really old. It sucks. Even as a broadcaster,
I feel like it gets old. Maybe I take it
too personally.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Well, I mean, it is more fun to talk about
winning teams, and we do this for a living and
is certainly more fun. But then there's a certain amount
of I guess, compartmentalizing. I mean, you to tell me
what better I'm saying from this side of things when
we talk about it as far as the post game
and talk about it on this show. You just say, hey,
we cover what we know, we talk about what we know,
(03:29):
and this is what they are and listen.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
Think. I think I think the city. You can tell
when the Broncos win and are playing well and fans
are excited. There's just a different energy I think with
the city. But I think, given now, last year certainly
was pretty good because they got things going in the
(03:54):
right direction, They got back in the playoffs, they won
ten games, they found their quarterback. There are so many
positives about that. The preceding years there were glimpses of hope,
and I think as long as you can, as long
as you can tell the truth. You got to say
it in a professional way because you know the team's
(04:16):
games are carried here. But you still have to be
able when they don't play well. You got to be able.
You can't say, well, man, they're playing pretty good and
just there was only like ten or eleven plays. Had
those plays been different, you can't say stuff like that.
You got to be able to be honest with your
listeners and say, hey, you know what, they're not playing
(04:37):
very well right now.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Now.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
You probably don't want to come out and see, you know,
they suck beyond compare, but you're essentially being honest and
saying they're not playing very well. So it's it's been
bad football lately. Yeah, And you're really good at that.
And I learned a lot from you along that seven
year stretch on how to do it the right way.
And and for me, every week was the biggest game
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of the year. That's how I treated it, and that's
how I prepared for it. The one thing I didn't
like is when they lost, you couldn't play the next day,
which you can do in baseball. You know, I don't
like to lose, even as a broadcaster, and I know
you're exactly the same day, So that was the thing.
Now you got to wait a week before you get
a chance to play the game again. And it took
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me like twenty four hours to shake it off every
single time. And after twenty four hours now I'm diving
into the next game prep that all goes away. But
it would be nice to be able to play right
away when you lose a game. Football doesn't work out way.
Let's get out of the story of the day. North
Carolina has refuted the report from Pablo Torres that Bill
(05:49):
Belichick's girlfriend Jordan Hudson was going to be banned from
any of the football activities, practice, anything else considered to
be a football uh activity. In fact, North Carolina has
gone so far as to say she is welcome at
the facility from this point out. And Pablo Torres said
(06:12):
he had eleven sources, including family members, that said that
they're really worried about Bill Belichick. Well, they might, I
mean they might be. I think what happened here is
Belichick went in and go said you got to back
me up here. You have to put something out. Do
you think it's any good. He's whipped to the extent
you can't do that himself. I think he absolutely said
(06:35):
you got to back the heat.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Off of her.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
You got to think he could have said, hey, Jordan, listen,
you gotta you got to back up a little bit
on this. I don't think he wants to let me
let me rephrase that. He wouldn't say, he wouldn't say anything.
He would say, you've got to let me answer when
a question is posed to me. I don't know, manet,
(06:58):
I don't need you at least let me. You don't
think he could say that. I think he's too whipped, right, now, okay,
then it's that I really do Okay.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Well, it's not too surprised in my opinion, after the
Pablo Touris report this morning, it's not too surprising that
you and see whether it's Bell Belichick's direction or not,
came out and pushed back against this story because it's
not a good look for them either, Like this story
being out there, the way it's framed, it looks like
they feel threatened by the situation.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
They don't like the situation.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
It definitely doesn't make Bill Belichick not look in the
best light.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
So I wasn't too surprised.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
I think this can ultimately be a multiple things can
be true conversation, as in, maybe this was something that
they wanted to do, and then when they saw the
backlash about it, or they saw the way it was
being framed out there, they panicked and they sit out a.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
No, no, no, everything's good, everything's fine, she's awesome, we love her.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
So that's what it feels like to me, is the
PR backlash of it is a controlled spin.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
That's my fee.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
I don't know if there's an a PR backlash. I think
when I saw that story, I'm thinking, Okay, what that
car ride from their assuming they live in a nice
residential area, on their way to the football office with
Coach Belichick and Jordan Hudson. What's that conversation like this
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morning after the Pablo Torres story breaks? So I think
if what Rick said is true, and Belichick went to
the athletic director or somebody else in the football department,
said hey, could you do me a solid because you
know I'm right now, I'm caught in a very delicate situation.
(08:38):
Could you just maybe say that she's not going to
be allowed? Okay, appreciate it. Then the story breaks, She
reads story and whatever her nickname for Coach Belichick is.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Bunny, I mean.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
Whatever she says, she says, look at this, Yeah, what
do you think about this? At that point, the next
thing out of Coach Belichick's mouth is essential, like to
how the rest of his life is going to go
for the foreseeable future, how he handles that absolutely and
(09:18):
it put him in a really tough spot. And you
know he's probably sleeping on the couch for a couple
of nights. You don't think, get the hell out of here.
What are you talking about? You don't think those couch?
Is it? Well? It's his couch. But you know, she's
running the show. She's telling him what to do, Dave.
She is calling the shots. I know you hate to
(09:39):
look at them, but I believe right now she's calling
the shot. I believe the family when they say, and
this was part of the part of the report that
they were worried about absolutely, you know whatever they said,
but they were worried about the legacy. I think that
is legitimate concern. Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Illi check. He's got three he has three.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
Children, and I, you know, with based on what's going
on and the look of how this whole thing is
is taking place, if I were a child, I'd be like,
wait a minute, this this is not going well. I
said that last week on my show, that it's not
going well. They should do an intervention with him. The family,
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the three kids, they're all coaches, one of them coaches
with him. Do an intervention. Dad, what are you doing.
You are ruining your legacy, You could be ruining your life.
You need to back off. You need to back out
of this somehow. But I don't see that. How to
be celibate for the next six months. He might be
celibate now I told you he was sleeping on the couch.
(10:40):
So anonymous sources tell Rick for Sunday, I'm going to
head this year. I'm gonna go visit my mom. Okay,
this weekend, that'd be good. Yeah, ninety two years old.
Very cool, Yeah, very cool. Got to take care of your.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Mom, Yeah, no doubt. I worked ahead.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
I got flowers for my mom, we got flowers for
my mother in law, and then I've already got everything
together for my wife.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
This is the first year in my entire adulthood. I'm
like ahead of the game. So rare.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
I didn't get my mom anything yet, but I am.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Flying down there.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Your presence is the presence, that's what she said.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
Yeah. Now my wife's going to be here. It's Mother's
Day for her too.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
But so you're flying down to see your mom tomorrow morning.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
In abandoning your wife.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
Yeah, but she's cool with it. Okay, Yeah, she's got
other plans. Okay, Yeah, that's a great you know, I
know deal.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
I love deal. Hey, so we do have a little
bit of Broncos news.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
They cut punter Matt Hak today as well as long
snappers act Tryn and Tryiner. Sorry, So that that's to
get the roster down to But as we were having
the conversation about the rookies that were intrigued with or
most excited to see, maybe we should have said Jeremy Crosshaw,
who's the rookie AUSSI punter that the Broncos drafted out of.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Florida, who's now in line to be the starter?
Speaker 3 (12:14):
Dave?
Speaker 2 (12:15):
I don't know. We don't.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
We don't spend a lot of time breaking down punters
and I'm not about to start now.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
You sure, But at the same time, I'll just say.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
It sounds like start a little bit.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
I'll just say that if that is an issue this year,
I mean, you drafted punter, You're gonna play the punter, right.
I mean that we just know that if it's an
issue there, then there's gonna be people that are gonna
be calling into the show afterwards and be like, ah,
we believed in a rookie at punter and he was
terrible this year. And anyways, that's me looking into the future.
I'm excited about it. He was fun to talk to you,
(12:46):
by the way on draft night. It's good, good kid.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
Here's my comment on the should get it?
Speaker 2 (12:54):
I got it? I heard crickets loud and clear.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Oh the kid Carey was about to play that sound
from justin Step.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
Yeah, I's gonna do that again. Perfect timing right there.
Oh man, you know that he had his forehead when
that one ripped. I mean you know that he side.
You think everything's going to be nice until you hear
it and you're like, oh god, yeah, I hope they
(13:25):
didn't hear that on the radio. Is that the.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Actual well, yeah, that's the actual sound. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
Okay, and this concludes our player talk for Friday.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Oh my gosh, all right, we'll come back.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
I do want to get back into the Nuggets big
game coming up tonight.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Rick Lewis, Dave Logan, Ryan Evers will be to that next.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
Big Aids Nights Game three, Nuggets and Thunder. The Nuggets
currently five and a half point underdogs. I wonder if
that line actually is shifted it all.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Let me look at it. Four and a half. Wait, nope,
five and a half. Still four and a half for Cleveland.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
Cleveland's now four and a half point favorites on the
road against the Pacers.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
The Nuggets are five and a half point.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Favorites are underdogs against the Thunder coming up at eight
o'clock tonight, which will probably be more like eight point
fifteen when all said and done. All right, just for fun,
and we'll check in with Roweye Bean from CBS down
there to ball Arena coming up at five thirty. She's
gonna give us the lay of the land how people
are feeling down there.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
But I don't know.
Speaker 1 (14:29):
Dave will start with you, like, how are you feeling
checking in with you from an hour ago, how are
you feeling about tonight's game?
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Who's got to show up big?
Speaker 3 (14:39):
And I showed the thunder number has moved to six.
Speaker 4 (14:44):
Okay, I got a ESPN here. That's that's that's not good. No,
that's not good. In terms of who has to show
up for the game. I think the the entire mind.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Said of the Nuggets defensively has to show for the game.
You know, Oklahoma City is one of the best defensive
teams in the NBA, and that for the most part,
that's been their identity. That an SGA, but that's been
their identity. They've got a whole bunch of athletes. They've
got guys that are not afraid to take three point shots.
(15:24):
They've got a great player in Shay and they lock
you up on defense. So I think the Nuggets have
to come out with the mindset that we're home, this
is our home court, and we are going to turn
this into to use the phrase that I heard the
other day, a rock fight. There's going to be a
(15:45):
rock fight here at Ball Arena. You guys, you punked
us in a big way in game two. Congratulations. Now
this is going to be different, and so I'm anxious
to see and I think you can see it with
in the first probably six minutes in the first quarter,
right so half half the first quarter. The second thing
(16:09):
I would say is I think Joki comes out is
much more, much more aggressive. You still have to get
I thought the defense against Jamal in Game two was unbelievable.
I mean they're checking him, They're fighting over the top
of screens, screens that are thirty feet away from the basket.
(16:31):
They're still fighting over the top of that thing. I
mean that you got to have. I mean you have
to have a dedication to the defensive end and guys
that are willing to put that kind of effort into it,
and the thunder in that game did. So you got
to find ways to free up Jamal and get him
some easier looks that he's had, and then it's just
(16:52):
a matter of, you know, playing hard and finding a
way to win a game.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
What are you doing about MPJ Obviously he's struggling.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
Yeah, And back to Jamal, I think he's the biggest
key to the game for the Nuggets tonight.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Jamal has to have a big game.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
And regarding MPG, I don't you know, it's hard for
me to count on him. He's playing hurt. He doesn't
play defense at all.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Anyway.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
He can get hot, that's one thing he brings. He
can shoot threes if he has a game and occasionally
he does where he's hitting a lot of his shots.
And Murray plays his game, they win tonight. You know
what you're going to get from Joker and that's a given.
So to me, it's Murray and MPGA and more especially Murray.
(17:45):
If Murray has scores twenty five to thirty points, Joker
plays his normal game, I think they win the game tonight.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
You know, one story that we talked about on Wednesday,
Dave was the team that controls the turnovers?
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Do you realize?
Speaker 1 (17:58):
And I saw this on ESPN and I think it
was one hundred and sixteen something like that.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
But the Nuggets have had one hundred and.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
Sixteen turnovers so far in the postseason, which is more
than any other team in the NBA.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
Yeah, and some of them, to interject into your point,
some of them are just sloppy turnovers. Yeah, I mean
on forced airs, sloppy bounce passes into traffic that are intercepted.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
No, it's I mean, it's just something that when you're
taking on a team that is as deep as the
Oklahoma City Thunder, as talented on defense, you just can't
give them extra you can't give them extra possessions. And
that was I think where the slide started, because this
started very early. They are all score forty five to
twenty one in the first quarter of the game. But
a lot of that stemmed from extra opportunities for Oklahoma City.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
They don't need extra help. They just don't.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
And so if you're going to give them those extra
that extra work, that extra tick, as you would say, Dave,
over the next two games, then this series is going
to be over pretty quick.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
Forty five points in the first quarter, eighty seven in
the first half, And some of that is and over related.
Some of that is the lack of force that the
Nuggets played with on defense. They look like a satisfied team.
Oklahoma City look like a desperate team. So tonight Denver
has to play within themselves, but they've got to play
(19:16):
with much more force and desperation. You know, it's not
a win or go home game, but it's hey, it's
at least for the moment, we are seizing control of
this series game. If the Nuggets can find a way
to win tonight, can you imagine how desperate Oklahoma City
(19:38):
will be to win Game four? And they got to
win it here in Denver, right Otherwise they're down three
to one. Now, we've seen teams come back from three
to one, but it doesn't happen a lot. So Tonight's game,
and if I'm David Adelman, you just try to impress
upon these players the importance of tonight's game. It's going
(19:59):
to be when it's all said and done, the winner
of tonight's game, honestly, I think, will win the series.
I want to ask you about him, Dave, the interim coach,
and how you think he's done as far as his substitutions,
how he's handling the team. They certainly weren't ready to
play in that last game. How you look at him now,
(20:20):
I think he's I think he's been really good. I mean,
I think he's been really good. You know they I
thought in the first game of the series they had
two or three like different sets on offense that I
hadn't seen. And it seems like, and you listen to
(20:42):
some of his exchanges with the players, you know he's
making his point. He's honest about it. I mean, they're
used to him, he's been he's been the top assistant
for a number of years here. But I think by
and large, given the fact that going into the playoff
series he didn't have hardly any production off the bench,
I think he's coaxed a couple of those guys into
(21:07):
valuable positions. You've seen at times guys come in the game.
I mean, you know, Westbrook, Westbrook was your best player
in Game two. I just wonder if Westbrook is going
to find himself in the starting lineup because of the
injury to MPJ.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
And if that's the case, okay.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
But somebody has to come off the bench, as Estrawther
is that Watson. Somebody has to come off the bench
and give them You know eight to ten points and
play good, solid defense. So I want to follow up
to that, say, the Nuggets lose in six or even seven,
do you think they give him the job. I don't
(21:45):
know if they lose the series, right, and I talked
about that. We've talked about it a couple of times.
My guess, I don't think there's been any decision made.
If the Nuggets lose a toughies in six or seven,
does he have a chance. Yeah, I would it be
(22:07):
a great chance. I think it depends on what Josh
Kronk feels like. Is the relationship between the key players,
Jokic maybe maybe Jamal to a lesser degree, but Yoki's
for sure. And then I I, you know, you got
(22:27):
to hire a GM. Usually the GM wants to bring
his own guy in. So I think it's I think
I think it would be up in the air. Honestly, no,
I said, sorry, Brian, But to me, even if he
doesn't get the job, I think he's proved he can
be an NBA head coach. I think he's a winner
either way, whether the Nuggets give him the job or
(22:48):
he goes somewhere else, because I think he's shown he's
capable of doing that. So I feel pretty good about him.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
He's here to push the right buttons.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
I think to your point, David's, it's kind of going
to start with if Nikola Jokic sees a path forward
with this guy is the leading this.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Team as the head coach, then he'll probably be the guy.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
And I'll tell you something that I think has really
helped him, like really helped him outside of Denver. Has
nothing to do with the Nuggets. It's what happened in
San Antonio. Greg Popovich steps away, is going to be
the director of Basketball Operations whatever his title is going
to be his lead assistant for the last six years,
(23:29):
is now the new head coach and was the interim
coach when when they weren't sure whether Pop was going
to come back or not. So I think that kind
of move probably helps David adamans a little.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Blueprint, YEP kind of deal. Yeah, I think that's a
really good point. I want to go back to MPJA
for a second. You'd start Russ instead of Peyton Watson
like you cause I know I'm.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Not saying that.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
I just what I said was, I just wonder if
if Russell will be in the starting lineup, So was
your best player in Game two? What the Nuggets don't
want to have to do is not get off to
a good start and dig themselves out of a sizeable hole.
You know you want I mean, this is obvious. You
want to give your fans who are going to be
(24:15):
really excited to be there. You want to give them
something to cheer about and really make it a home
court advantage. So I think I think a good start
is really much more important for the for the Nuggets
than it would be for the Thunder.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
I'm completely agree with you, especially when you want to
keep the home crowd kind of into it. You want
to keep them all fired up, and I think that
a lot of Nuggets fans are going to be nervous
early on in this game, Rick, I mean, honestly, when
you're thinking about it in terms of what just happened
a couple of nights ago in Oklahoma City. If for
some reason Oklahoma City comes out and they're just guns
blazing and it's they get forty points, they hang forty
(24:51):
points on this team again in the first quarter, that
crowd is going to sort of take a step back
and say, oh boy, this is this team is way outmatched,
even though we all know they don't.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Necessarily have to be.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
And you still have Nicola Jokic and you still have
Jamal Murray, guys that can play catch up.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
In a hurry.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
But it's just the waves that way at how Oklahoma
City comes at you.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
It makes it very difficult.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
And the adjustment to the adjustment, that's always the fascinating
part of any series, Right, what Mark Dagnolt did to
adjust to nicolea Jokic's physicality, right, Because Dave, you and
I talked about it on Wednesday that they had chet
Holmgren on him a lot. That was a bad match
up for Cheded Holmgren. He is not there to cover
(25:35):
nicolea Jokic. But in the next game, they they not
only did went with Hartenstein, but they they brought in
was I think it was Jalen Williams. Office was, yeah,
they had him in their kind of I mean.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
Jalen Williams gave a shot to Nicole Jokic and that
that was the play that Russell Westbrook came running in.
But it was just a two handed of Jokic from
Jalen Williams. So I thought the Nuggets were too passive
(26:08):
with some of that some of that stuff. I don't
view Oklahoma City as like a team that is overly tough.
I think they're really skilled, but I don't view them,
you know, like a team that you got to make
sure you're careful here otherwise you're going to get up
ended under the basket. But I thought I thought they
(26:30):
took liberties. And this is probably old school way of
looking at maybe back in the eighties and nineties, uh
in the NBA, I thought they took liberties that like, Okay,
So to me, the Nuggets have to come out with
a with a more of a ferocity defensively, a mindset
(26:52):
that this is going to be different. Right, you might
beat us because you're really talented, but I promise you this,
you're gonna feel us the entire game we had And
they did not come out that way in Game two
at all. But that you that you had a push,
I was like, okay, big boy, all right. Do you
feel like the Nuggets are more vulnerable when the other
(27:17):
teams are really physical? Like can they match that physicality? Well,
I'm not sure. I'm not sure that I think the
Nuggets have I mean, I think Aaron Gordon can match
any kind of physical play. I don't think gives up
anything physically, and I liked it. Like in game one.
(27:38):
In Game one, they tried to be a little physical
with Hartenstein and others in the post and they wound
up catching an elbow in the back of the head.
I mean inadvertently, of course. But yeah, I think Jokich
he understands the game. If you want to, you know,
do some of the stuff you're gonna catch, You're gonna
(27:59):
catch one of the ear and I'm gonna say I'm sorry.
So ag. I think Christian Brown can be physical. I
didn't think he was in Game two. Westbrook as as
Westbrook's Westbrook is not really afraid of anything nothing, So
I think they've got their guy. I mean, I think
they've got some dudes, for sure. I just think, you, man,
(28:19):
you've got to bring your stuff tonight. You have to
pack it in the suitcase, put it in the car,
and drive it to ball Arena and then use it
for the entire game.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
Completely agree. Yeah, that's a good question about the physicality.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
And people on the text line, by the way, five
six six nine zero are saying that this Robin Brush
says nuggets have to be more physical against Oklahoma City
and play defense. Yes, yeah, the defense, some of the breakdowns.
Especially you mentioned Christian Brown in the first hour. That
might be legitimately the worst game I've ever seen him play.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
I saw, I saw, and I don't know that I've
ever seen this from him standard I mean, ball the ball,
I mean rebounded the ball. I just didn't. I thought
they played like a satisfied team. And that's you know
what that that can that can sort of permeate your
locker room. And if you're not careful after you win
game one, you think we're gonna go out and yep,
(29:16):
we think we can get game two, but you don't
bring that desperation and and that hunger certainly that Oklahoma City, right,
So the Nuggets have to bring that tonight as they're
back home.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
And you know what, I really think they will.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
I think I think fans will see a much much
different Nuggets team.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
No, I completely agree on that.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
So we'll get back into that here in just a
little bit very quickly before we hit the top of
the hour. This was a pretty funny story that Rick
sent me earlier. Let's need on the Rich Eisen Show.
Do you want to set this up.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
I'm trying to remember what I sent you. Now it
was that was real early this morning.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
Well, let's seed was talking about how Pete Carroll, Oh yeah, yeah,
put the Rams in hotel.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
Now see, I didn't know this is a thing you
could do.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
But apparently Lessened was telling rich Eisen that Pete Carroll,
when he was with the Seahawks would set the Rams
up in hotels in Seattle that had furry conventions.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
That is funny if he was doing that, And you know,
I didn't know that you could book the hotel visiting team.
Dave would know that probably more than anybody. What about
furry conventions? Well, no can can the does the home
team choose the hotel the visiting team is going to
stay in? I don't think so. No, Well, he's saying
(30:38):
that Pete Carroll would on purpose book the Rams into
a fury convention hotel the weekend they were having a
furry convention.
Speaker 2 (30:48):
A couple of times. Here's the sound. It's pretty fair, actually,
but yeah, it's really good.
Speaker 5 (30:53):
You know this, Not only have we shared a hotel
in Seattle with a furry convention.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
I think we've done it out twice.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
I think it's been twice.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
I might be wrong, but I can't see.
Speaker 6 (31:08):
You're in Seattle and this is the scene.
Speaker 5 (31:11):
Let me tell you this. Soon you think about a football,
it's September, it's oct it's there's a you get to
December football and you really need a lift.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
I just think you've been.
Speaker 5 (31:20):
Traveling to the same whole taste kind of. You know,
it's getting a little there's some doldrums going on. Then
you show up in the lobby there and all of
a sudden, you know, you know what, he got.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
A second win to finish scene to sing out.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
I mean there's actually people.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
These are actually.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Human beings that showed up in dress like so it's
it's and I can't say this.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
If you talk about people.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Who are passionate, they're passionate. That's costume party.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
I mean that's not just hey, I.
Speaker 5 (31:47):
Had to go to this costume party and get something
out of the closet. That's well thought out, no well intentionality.
Speaker 6 (31:55):
I've heard of teams trying to get the road team
off their game by pulling a fire alarm at four
in the morning in the hotel. This is next level
because if it's twice, now the Seattle Seahawks are doing
this to you Less.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
I got to be honest with you straight up.
Speaker 5 (32:07):
You know that's you know that was back in the
peak Carrol Eraso. You know, this seems like something Pete
might do.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
Lsmanship. You know, there's there's always.
Speaker 5 (32:17):
Some gray area in the game theory.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
I just try to again to your point.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
The first thing, when I first saw that, I was like, wait,
do the Rams are relying on the Seahawks to book
their hotel?
Speaker 2 (32:28):
No?
Speaker 3 (32:28):
But you can? You can you know ahead of time,
like the Broncos know right now what hotels they're going
to stay in on the road, right and they already
have reservations, So not too hard for a home team
to find that out. And then maybe, I mean, Rick,
(32:49):
I don't I don't know if you've explained this or not.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
I'm out there.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
You did the one furry convention, but well, wait, what
my thought was In Seattle almost every hotel has a
furry convention every weekend. That's Seattle for you. So I'm
not surprised you're diverting.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
Yes, you are nice side stuff.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
I've never been to a furry convention, but I have
seen that. I had a group of furries. What did
you tell me about Okay, on my lawn? Once you
played the group? What did you tell me?
Speaker 2 (33:17):
What?
Speaker 3 (33:18):
What didn't you engage? So, I mean airic quotes with
with it. Didn't you meet a bunch of furry people
one time at a hotel? No, but I had a
group that was camped out.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
On my lawn.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
Okay, maybe that's real, and maybe I told you that. Yeah,
I didn't know what they were at the time. It's
like four or five years ago, on your lawn. Yeah.
I looked out the window and there were they were
in a circle, all hollowed up in a circle, you know,
with cat ears on and all this, And I thought
I was having a dream. And then I got my wife.
Speaker 2 (33:49):
I said, look at what what is this ayahuasca?
Speaker 3 (33:52):
And she knew it was She goes, oh, they're furries,
that's what I mean. And I'm like, furries, Yeah, she's
your lawn. The fact that they came to year lawn
on my lawn, you think that was coincidental? And I said, well,
you wonder you think they're going to be here for
a while? And wait what And they were kids? They
look like high school kids. Okay, So I kept an
(34:13):
eye on them, and they ended up leaving. They probably
saw this this dude looking out the window at him
the whole time. They're like, let's get the hell out
of here. Give them a thought, this guy, look at
this guy giving us the stink guy out the window,
the sprinklers or something. But I didn't know.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
I didn't know. I didn't know what suries.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
Were at that time. So no, I know you do.
That's my experience with the furries. They weren't doing anything wrong.
They're just expressing themselves. Is that how you look at it? Yeah,
they identify as a certain animal, so's it's wrong with that? Dave?
Come on, Dave, it's twenty twenty five. Why on your
(34:52):
Why on my lawn is a good question.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
I don't know. Was it like an attraction?
Speaker 3 (34:58):
Was there like a no? No, I didn't put any
like cat food out or anything like that, like catman
to put a litter box out, you know, just in
case you've done him a solid where the guys would
do it. Yeah, you're right, Yeah, he's like, but that's
funny that if he did do that on purpose. And
I think Dave knows what he's talking about. I don't
(35:19):
think the visiting team is going to stay at a
hotel that the home team.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
Said, Hey, you need to stay here.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
Okay, so you're saying, Dave that you think this is
more of Pete Carroll knew where the Rams were staying
and maybe suggest they.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
Had had had a furry contact hookups.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
More likely, that is more likely. That's a great story.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
That's and then again, as Lesson, he said, it actually
put a little wind in theirselves.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
I'd be wondering.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
I'd be interested to see how the Rams fared in
those games, because the Rams have really had the Seahawks number.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
Yeah, and the Rams have been really good for a while.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
Yeah, so maybe you backfired and Pete Carroll And now
Pete Carroll in our division, so we'll see if he.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
Plays some dans biship stuff with the Broncos.
Speaker 3 (36:01):
And I know we're up against a break, but people
are texting what the heck's up? Furry convention boy. A
lot of people probably don't even know what a furry is.
I didn't until four or five years ago. It's people
that identify as an animal and they dress up like
that animal. And from what I hear and Dave, you're
in the high school a lot I'm here, and there's
a lot of furries in these schools. They're allowed to
(36:23):
go to school dressed like that.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
Dave? Is that true? What did you want to comment
on what?
Speaker 3 (36:29):
Dave? Yeah, I spent a lot of time there, you know,
but I spent a lot of time in my office,
so I don't I don't run in with that too
many furries. But you see, from what I hear, you're
allowed to dress. Never had a furry or furries on
(36:50):
my lawn. Never never looked out my window and seen
a bunch of furries. What would you have done? You've
been alarmed? Would you been like, cut off my lawn?
You phraz No, it's another drop we have. But I
would have I would have walked out and said, hey,
(37:13):
what y'all doing? You would have walked out? Well, I
mean for sure you didn't.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
I didn't.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
I was watching them. They seemed harmless to me. But
but I was a little suspicious, like what the heck
is there? Because when you don't know what it is,
so so the furries on your lawn seemed harmless. So
if you'd have looked out and seen, I don't know,
like a group of Hell's angels with their choppers on
your lawn. Would you have walked out? Then I would
(37:40):
have called nine to one one at that point that
would have been the smart place.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
Problem.
Speaker 3 (37:49):
Yeahs, you just let them, Let it be right, cut
off my lawn, you phrazed O. Great, you got another one,
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