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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
Get involved in the conversation.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
Shout out to Kathy Walker, thirty five years here at
KOA had her retirement shin dig this afternoon.
Speaker 4 (00:16):
She's been here same amount of time as Dave and
I've been here. Yeah, yeah, and congratulations she is retiring.
Speaker 5 (00:25):
Speak for yourself, Rick, she's been here a lot longer
than me. I don't know about you here.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
She got her she got her four days oh four out.
Speaker 4 (00:36):
Yeah, okay, all right, although I think in fairness we
better not call it retirement because she's not officially retiring.
Speaker 5 (00:43):
She's she's retiring from being the news director. But you
can hear Kathy still on the air, and uh that's
a good thing.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
She's great. Yeah, good person. Yeah, yeah, she got surprised.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
I renamed the the news studio actress thee Kathy Walker
News Studio.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
They just sign up front, Yeah, they just sign out front. Now,
that's cool. Studio a surprise or with that earlyer, this
nice little gesture. It was really cool, yeah, really cool.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
And I was like, you know, someday when I leave
this building, they're gonna renamed the exit sign the Benjamin.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
All right, get the bleep out of here. You just
don't want it to happen too soon. Well, it's you know,
for tomorrow, the next day. What do I mean, how long?
However long I can I can take her.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
If you've been to the third floor, there's a janitor's
cloud hit with my name on it.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
You've probably seen that, right, and that's legit real. Yeah. Yeah,
oh damn. I gotta tell you, man, I'm.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
Uh, you should feel pretty good about your del Frisco wagers.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Yeah, I didn't. I got to tell you. I didn't.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
I didn't see that coming last night. I I mean, they.
Speaker 5 (01:44):
They I didn't think Oak City played as well as
I've seen them playing. Yet they're fifteen early in the
fourth and then you know, and I kid Ryan a
lot about about oaklahom City being so, but what I
saw last night and how they played in the fourth
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quarter offensively was exactly what I was referring to in
terms of being soft. Because when things got a little
sticky and Indiana started hitting shots and the leads started
to dwindle, what you had was exactly what you had
in Game one against the Nuggets. He had four guys
stand around looking at Shay saying, hey, are you gonna
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You're gonna do something? And he had a good look.
You know, the ball just didn't go in. And the
ball did go in for Halliburton, and so we've got
ourselves up. I still think Oak City wins this and
I don't think it goes seven. But I think we
have ourselves obviously a better series than I thought, because
I thought I thought Oak City would win both home games.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
What I thought about through these two when when they
were matched up, is that Indiana has an advantage and
nobody else has. They've got eleven bodies that they can
actually put out there that can contribute.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
That is true and true.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
We've seen Oklahoma City pull away from teams in the
third quarter, right because they got that rotation and when
you start getting in the dead of the third quarter,
they start where they wear you out, and they've got
everybody that can shoot, and they just start to pull
away from And we just saw the Pacer. They did
pull away, but we saw the Pacers weather that and
they didn't look tired like other teams, like the Timberwolves,
like the Nuggets wakes when you.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Got to the end of that third quot.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
They looked tired, they looked energetic, and then you saw
them continue to run the fourth quarter.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
And as you guys remember last night, somebody in this
room took the Pacers and.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
The under you were, you were two l last night,
you were, well, yeah, the ender yet yeah under. Also
I thought the ender was two twenty one thirty one
thirty one. Yeah, yeah. I had to go back and
double check that too.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
Now that the d said, I did not think the
Pacers would win the game, but I did think they
would cover. And I thought it would be a lower
scoring game.
Speaker 6 (03:43):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
And the way the Pacers opened that game with all
those turnovers on the road against the best team in
the NBA, there's.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
No way you win that game on the rock.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
You got to quit the cross court passing against a
long team like Oklahoma City, they they they're too long.
They get in those lanes and cute across the court passing,
whipping the ball around stuff that.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
And he was doing seventeen first half turnovers. Yeah, five
in the second half.
Speaker 5 (04:07):
And so Indiana, I thought Indiana settled in and played well. Again,
I didn't think two things I thought in games. It
was so much like the Nuggets game, just in terms
of how the fourth quarter went. Also, the Nuggets started
to making a push and oak City started to get
hesitant with the ball offensively.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
That happened, for sure. I did not think Oklahoma City.
Speaker 5 (04:29):
Played with the fervor on defense that I have seen
them play with before. If you go back and look
at the especially the second half, I mean, the closeouts
were not like we've seen from Oklahoma City. They got
sloppy in terms of putting bodies on people underneath, and
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Siakum in particular, sneaks inside on a couple of occasions,
gets an easy rebound to put back. So I still
think Oklahoma City wins the series. But I think with Indiana,
I mean, you have to give him credit. That's the
fifth time this postseason that they have come from fifteen
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points or more down to win a game. That's the
first time that has happened in the last twenty seven
NBA seasons. So they're doing something that's pretty special.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
Another thing we talked about last night happened, and that
is Halliburton. You didn't even notice him for probably what
two thirds of the game, and then he hits the
dagger at the end of the game, which.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
He's now known for.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
He's an amazing player, but for some reason, he just
he doesn't do much.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
He kind of disappears, like we talked about.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
And I never thought they'd come back from that deficit
late in the game, because it just didn't look like
they had anything left against the best defensive team in
the league.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
And they, like I didn't.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
I'm gonna pretend like I knew the whole time, but
I was sitting in this I was sitting in that
chair that you're sitting again, mister Logan with a coach
Logan with a bad case of the tight cheeks, with
Thick ferguson over here last night as I'm like, oh man,
every time lou Dort sank one, I'm just sitting here
like we're celebrating somewhere right now is the human Dorts
continues to tear up the Pacers defense. But yeah, in
the fourth quarter, I had noted Pacers fan Tony Manus
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with his Pacers shirt on in here.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Celebrating, right it was. It was good with this.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
You mentioned the Haliburton the clutch gene thing there. I
don't know if we call that a thing, but it
kind of is. I mean, it reminds me guys like
Derek Fisher, big shot, Bob Robert, or guys who you
know can go stretches of the game without being a
huge contributor. But when when you need a shot, when
you need somebody to be nails, that guy's there.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Well more than those two.
Speaker 5 (06:53):
All you have to do is is appreciate this stat
In in the NBA playoffs, Tyrese Teliburton is five for
five taking game winning or game time shots in the
with under I believe, with under ten seconds to go
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in the game. In this postseason, five for five. The
rest of the NBA is four for twenty. So he's
I mean, he's a terrific shooter. You know, he had
fourteen points last night, which is I mean. Oak City's
done a nice job on him. They did a good
job on him in both regular season games, as I
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mentioned yesterday, average eleven a game. But the other guys,
I mean, in the in the fourth quarter, Indiana is six.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
For ten from three point range. They're shooting sixty percent.
Speaker 4 (07:54):
They're going to beat a lot of teams if they
shoot sixty percent in the fourth quarter from three point
range and they are three point shooting team.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
So I think.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
Oklahoma City has to go back and watch that tape
and say, hey, we we there are times where and
this is not how we play.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
We're kind of going through the motion. You got to
you got to.
Speaker 5 (08:13):
Close out like I've seen them close out before. And
I still think Oklahoma City wins this series.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
But you got to give Indiana credit for last night.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
You know what, the pressure is off the Pacers now.
I believe, in fact, they said last night we're playing
with house money now and sphincters are tightening in Oklahoma City.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
This one of Dave's favorite words. By Vegas. Yah.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
Right, So the pressure is building significantly on Okay.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
See, this is gonna be a fun series now. Yeah,
I'm you know, I'm looking forward to it. You know,
it kind of reminds me of the way they've been
able to come back. It sort of reminds me.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
I guess if I think it was that first run
that Kansas City had in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
You remember when they'd.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Get down every game, they'd be down, you know, a
couple of touchdowns in the first quarter and it was
like it was not even a Texans I think got
up on them.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
The playoffs right near the playoffs, got up on them
like twenty one points.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
It wasn't even a thing, Like, it wasn't even it
did not even register. They're like, oh, now they're done
playing with their food. That's what it sort of reminds me.
You have in basketball terms, Yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Think you you can't.
Speaker 5 (09:15):
You can't underestimate what confidence does I mean to have
a team infused with confidence where they believe, no matter
what happens, we're never out of it. And they've got yeah,
guys stepping up in not named Tyrese Haliburton knocking down
three point shots in the fourth quarter, So yeah, they're dangerous.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
They've got they've got guys that.
Speaker 5 (09:37):
Can score from the perimeter. And I think Oklahoma City
I didn't understand going with the small lineup. Mark Dagnell,
who's done a terrific job coaching, I don't know. Sometimes
I think as coaches you can outthink yourself. I mean,
there's a reason you've had the best record in the league.
And to me, I don't know that I want to
play small ball against Indiana just me. But again, I
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think it's gonna be I think it's gonna be a
fun series.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
Was that the soft side of Okay, see that you
talk about a lot at the end of I think
give it.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
The off side is they they.
Speaker 5 (10:15):
When they've got it going and running and getting lay
I mean.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
They blow you out.
Speaker 5 (10:21):
But if you can find a way to stay in
a game in the fourth quarter and the game starts
to tighten, they have a tendency and whether softness is
the right way to describe it to me, they have
a tendency to kind of start, you know, looking from
side to side without moving your head. Your eyes are
just kind of shifting like, Okay, who's we know we
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got Shay, so let's go. Let's go four out Unlet's
Shay create. I mean they did it the last three
times down the court last night. And he had a
good look. He had he had the bump fade that
he is known for. He creates the separation with the
bump fades. He's sixty six, got a great look from
you know, fifteen feet.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
He just shot it along just I mean, he missed
a shot. If he makes a shot, it's a three
point game. Now Indiana has to take a three pointer
to tie. But he didn't, and Tyrese Haliburton was able
to get to a nice spot for him, rise up
and hit about a seventeen foot jump shot for the win.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
With this, I mean obviously in Indiana winning which surprised you,
winning a series.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Which shocked me.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Still shock you, Okay, So if they, if they were
to win, where would it rank among the old time
finals upsets over you know, mass Heat. That would be
cas Warriors, Pistons, Lakers, Yeah, the Cavs.
Speaker 5 (11:40):
I'd have to go back and look from a Las
Vegas standpoint and see who was favored.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
You know, when this series started, before last.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
Night's game, Oklahoma City was was a seven hundred favorite,
meaning if you wanted to bet Oklahoma City he wanted
to win one hundred dollars, you had to risk seven.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Hundred to win one hundred.
Speaker 5 (12:00):
So they that's that's a prohibitive favorite in the finals.
So those two that you mentioned, Ben, I think I'd.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Like to go back and see what they were.
Speaker 5 (12:09):
I mean, Golden Steak, Cleveland, I mean, the Calves came
back from down three to one, and that one.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Dallas and the Heat. I was rooting for Dallas, but I.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
Don't remember, if you know, with No Whisky and Jason Kidd,
if they if Miami was just a huge Oh that was.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
The lebron That was the trio, that was Weed Bosh.
Speaker 5 (12:30):
With Navisky and and Jason Kidd and some of those dudes.
If it was a seven hundred, if they were a
seven hundred favorite.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
But it would be fun to go back and look, Yeah,
to go back and look.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
What if chet Holgram plays like this the rest of
the way, they probably don't win the series six points.
Last night, guys two for nine from the field, He
had six rebounds.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
How many minutes City played? No assists? Yeah, not enough?
Yeah that he disappeared, not enough.
Speaker 5 (12:58):
Well, they tinkered with the starting lineup, but in which
I don't understand, don't I don't know. At this point,
I would be inclined to make Indiana play how we play,
rather than trying to match what Indiana does.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
I understand it.
Speaker 4 (13:15):
Theoretically, you get you get get a little more speed
and a little little more defensive like perimeter defense in
but man oh man.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Yeah, I think my theory on that because I noticed
it last night. We're you know, we're watching as we're
doing the show, and I was talking to Nick and like,
I wonder if they think Heartenstein can't run at the
Pacers level, you know, and maybe that's why they're trying
to but that's playing into their hands.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
At the day. Yeah, I think so too.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
I've told that our million dollar crack research team, which
consists of our producer back to as X seekers, does
have the odds on those NBA Finals you got Zach
Yes pre series.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
In the Calves Warriors series, the Calves were plus one
point eighty to pull off the upset. Compare that to
plus five hundred with the Thunder Okay in twenty eleven,
the Map were only plus one sixty to pull off
the upset against the Heat. The ESPN actually has the
game by game odds listed for the Cavs Warrior series,
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the only time the Cavs San Antonio Cleveland.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Have to look into that one.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
But the only time the Calves have longer odds in
that twenty sixteen series or when they're down two to
oher or when they're down three to one. Only time
it dipped below plus found.
Speaker 5 (14:25):
So this would be and again, Oklahoma City was minus
seven hundred, and I think if you took Indiana before
last night's game, you could you could get plus five hundred.
So if you bet one hundred dollars on Pacers to
win and they win the series, You're gonna win five
hundred dollars. It's it's the It's the most decisive favorite
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that I can remember in the NBA. The only one
that pops to mind that maybe close is when Lebron,
very early in his career, played Tim Duncan, Manu Ginobili,
Tony Parker that crew, and I don't think I don't
think Cleveland won a game.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
I think the Spurs swept them.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
I thought, I remember the Raptors Golden State. I thought
that one was decent there. I can't remember what the
odds were on that one. I thought that was pretty
far spread though.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Well, the Raptors wound up winning. Yeah, yeah, but Golden
State was the favorite.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Raptors were at plus one seventy five. Okay, I directed,
I've got the historical data going back to twenty fourteen.
The only longer odds underdogs than Indiana entering this series
would be the Calves in twenty seventeen and twenty eighteen
going up against the fully healthy Katie Warriors.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Okay, now, what were the Calves.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
Plus eleven hundred and twenty eighteen plus one thousand and
twenty seventeen.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
So you could bet one hundred dollars when the Calves
to win the series and win one thousand and Speaking
of odds, according to DraftKings, ok C is now minus
three hundred to win the series, so there's still a
three to one favorite. Yeah, to win the series is
which honestly, I still think they're going to win the series.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
I put the Pacers before last night. We'll see. You
got two bets. We'll see what happens. It goes seven.
I put a monetary bet with the book, Oh win
the series, so.
Speaker 4 (16:15):
We'll see, we'll see. I've been wrong before, I'll be
wrong again. I just do buy you the stake and
have you win the money.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
I mean.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
In two thousand and six, the young Lebron James Cleveland
Cavaliers were plus three sixty to beat the Spurs, so
they were viewed as even more competitive than this pacer.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Okay, all right, yeah, I just I thought it was fascinating.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
I was as the final shot went that, I was like, Ohm,
I have fun with this tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Oh yeah, I was going to text you at the moment.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
I texted Ryan, I text her I was sure if
you could be upper dined with the time I got
around to I texted Ryde and it was like, you
were sure.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
I was going to be up watching the game. I
mean really not immediately.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
After the game by the time I got home and everything,
so I might have had myself a frost.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
I'm just saying.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
I texted like eleven thirty at night, so like, you know,
it's okay, all right, I should have texted you, But
I texted him.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
I was like, so, man, yeah, that's all right. I
enjoy enjoy your one win. Yeah, well I'm to tell
you back, but I was down for Stak dinners. We're
at two now, so this could boy, this could wipe
the books clean. Well wait a minute, how did you
already win too?
Speaker 1 (17:20):
I want to to go back and look, I wrote it.
I write all these downs so that we never it's
in my joel. Oh you you're down to going into this.
I'm down two to you this? Yes, and then you
did double or nothing better double.
Speaker 4 (17:32):
I could go back to four, or it could We've
got a steak dinner that the series goes seven, which
I still think I win.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
What's the other one on this series? Uh?
Speaker 1 (17:42):
Well, yeah, you said that it doesn't go seven, and
then I took the Pacers.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
To win the series. You took kay, Okay, see.
Speaker 5 (17:47):
So I'm gonna have four steak dinners when this is
done because with you. Yeah, Oak said he will win
this series now because of their.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Inability to hold a fifteen point lead.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
Now the series goes six. Where are these steak by
the way, like it's a winner's choice. I'm a dumpers man,
you know, Okay? Either way?
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Right?
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Either way? Rix Rix likes x t K likes the
DJ in background. Have you been down there? That's there
you go, I got a DJ play. It's like a
club where you're doing no one here town. I've been
down there for yeah, with my friend Mario. We did
anyway we got I think we got hit a break here,
but we come back. I want to get into some
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comments Sean Payton had on the young rookies got a baron.
He had some uh some comments on PS two little
bit of the secondary stuff. You just chance to hit
on all that stuff. Canay sports back up for this one.
It's not a good look for me. It's really not
a good look. You're right, that's not one of the people.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
I can't be.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
I can't be my frame when I if I put
on too many pounds, it looks bad.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
And then if I don't have hair, it looks really bad.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
It's like a column from Lord of the Rings, Precious,
you know, it's it's not a good look for me.
So yeah, if I ever go ball were he saw
on the turf, you know, as many times as we
can he I.
Speaker 4 (19:02):
Guess that procedures really improved, apparently, Minsky. Yeah, Rosses, Yeah,
well he just did it on his face. He didn't
do his head. He did it on his face for
a second too.
Speaker 5 (19:18):
He can It's seriously, it's and I've timed it thirty
seven minutes, yes, exactly. That dude can grow a beard
fast as anybody that I know.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
Meanwhile, I'm sitting right here with a month's worth of growth.
It looks like a two huge crustash on men. You know,
I look like I'm back in high school or something.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
I go, look at the mange. It comes in patches.
It's getting wider patches.
Speaker 4 (19:41):
You know, I told you before we started, do you
look healthier to me? I didn't know you lost thirty pound.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Yeah. I've been I've been doing the health kick thing. Man.
I had been working out and eating.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Well, basically a draconian died, which is me and Carbs
mutually parted ways.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
But I had one of those Kathy Walker retirement cupcases.
And let me tell you the makeup sex where they
do it.
Speaker 4 (19:57):
Rick, Rick brought me one of those. That's a red
velvet cupcake. I believe you gonna have one. Uh, that
was the last one. That's why I'm trying to eat
with you.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Deal.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
Okay, it's wealthy if you only have one right, right
half of it? Okay, basically healthy. Do you know what
else is healthy for the Broncos defense that's ending? Jade Baron.
Sean Payton praised shot A bar for his intelligence, instincts
and ability to handle so much of the defense already.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Uh, here's Sean Payton on that one.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Hey kind of playing the slot?
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Yeah, how was he kind of picked off learning about businessitions.
Speaker 6 (20:32):
It's extremely smart and he played both Texas.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
His instincts.
Speaker 6 (20:40):
Are real, real high, and so you could give him
more than maybe some other another player of.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
The same position. Some guys you might say.
Speaker 6 (20:53):
Let's just leave him in the left corner for the
right corner before we do it. I think he's one
of those players that kid can handle body.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Do you feel like he's like Malcolm Chickens almost where
he can potentially play safety as well.
Speaker 6 (21:09):
I don't have the same vision that I did for
Malcolm came in in nine, played nickel and then went
to safety.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
I see now, I'm not saying he couldn't in a.
Speaker 6 (21:21):
Pinch, but the vision for ends inside and outside.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
Sean Bayden's sounding like me after a night out in
Indianapolis up there at the Combine, having a few road
pops there with that voice.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
But his expectations, I mean he talks about and hypes
up Jade Barton.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
I think after one conversation you can certainly see the
kid is uh has got his life together, is very motivated.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
But what are our expectations? You're one for Jadda Baron, Yeah,
I think.
Speaker 4 (21:50):
I think he comes in as an extremely mature young guy.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Right.
Speaker 4 (21:56):
We interviewed him, but he had his initial press conference
out at the Broncos facility and I was just struck by,
you know, how grounded he was. It didn't seem too big.
It seemed like, I mean, he talked and his mannerisms
were like a guy who'd been in the league for
four or five years. And been to two or three
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Pro Bowls, and just like a veteran, he had sort
of an old soul, but a veteran presence.
Speaker 5 (22:24):
So now you go back and if you go back
and look at his tape at Texas, I think Shawn's
exactly right. I mean they played him inside and out.
I had a tight end down there. Gunner Helm and
talked to him a little bit, and Gunner's now with
the Titans, and he said that Jette Baron's a smart
at defensive players he's ever been around. And I think
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the coaches probably said the same thing to Sean Payton.
So when you have that kind of versatility that you
can play outside, you're stout enough that you can come
in and play the nickel because the nickel has to
be able to cover, but he also has to be
able to hold up in.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
The running game. I think they're going to be really
creative with him this year.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
You know what, He's also going to push Riley Moss.
Speaker 4 (23:13):
I feel like they'll probably play him more inside, but
just having him out there, it's competition's great, and Riley
Moss I think still has an upside to him. He
played pretty well the times last year. I thought he
kind of faded a bit down the stretch, but he's
going to get pushed. That's going to make him better.
(23:34):
It's going to make Baron better. And for me, it'll
be interesting to see where they play him.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Yeah, I tend to think he'll probably play on the
inside in the slot. And for j Qui mcmillion quite
a bit. But that I mean as we look at
this all of a sudden, as we step back and
look at this, the Broncos roster has more depth than it's.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Had in a while. Like this team is the floor.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
On this team in terms of the you know, the
rush we're talking about guys we have to cut, not
places we need to add when everybody else is cutting
the first time in years.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
Shout out to George Payton on that.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
But as we look at this, I mean, our guys
like Jaquon mcmillion, maybe the Murray mathis Luke Hays in trouble.
Speaker 4 (24:09):
Well, the competition's been I think substantially.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
Altered.
Speaker 5 (24:16):
Whenever you know, I think back to when I played,
I think I only had one season that there was
a first round wide receiver that was taken.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
But what it does for the guys that are already
in that room.
Speaker 5 (24:31):
It's like it gets your attention, it piques your interest.
It's like, Okay, he's not he's not getting my job.
I don't care how good he is.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
So if if I'm uh Ja Kwan, if I'm the
Murray mathis.
Speaker 5 (24:48):
If I'm Chris Abrams Drain. You know, if I'm Chris
Abrams Drain, I came in. I played pretty well when
give an opportunity last year and all of a sudden,
you got you pick a corner in the first round.
So I imagine he'll come in with a chip on
his shoulder. That's exactly what you want. You want those
dudes to be hyper competitive. And that's one position. I
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think if you if you said a one position on
the on the team that you got to have the
most guys the best depth in order to be a
playoff team. And I'm taking quarterback out of the mix,
I'd say defensive back.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
It's uh yeah, It's funny because and I say the
same thing.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
All the time. There's a dearth of corners around the league.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
Now there's more money in Travis Hunter playing wide receiver,
but there's a dearth of corners around the you know,
available to play corners around the league, and so that's
that's kind of thing. It's interesting though, because every year
at cutdown Day, what do we see. We see teams
cutting corners to keep offensive linemen around and then try
to add those corners back to the practice squad. There's
a scramble to kind of do that. I find that
(25:57):
fascinating for what is probably is your You're saying they're
the most valuable position.
Speaker 4 (26:01):
And I like the word dearth, I'm going to say plethora.
I broke out the yeah in there. It's a myriad
of corners. And the other good thing about having a
plethora of good defensive backs is your special teams are
going to be better.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Because those backups, the guys.
Speaker 4 (26:19):
That aren't aren't starting, will be on special teams and
so it just elevates the whole team.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
When do you have a situation like that?
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Yeah, Uh, And they brought uh because they lost Tremont Smith,
who was a special teams you know, sort of stand out,
and he got paid pretty well, I think going back
to Houston. Uh, they brought in Trent Sherfield, who's a
wide receiver to do some of that. Although watching him
out at to he had two just wide open drops,
just you know, bad case of bad case of bad
hands that day.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
You know, I don't know, maybe maybe that this helps.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
Uh, those guys get their act together on special teams
and maybe at Tomary Mathis and the Neighborhms train in
addition to being corner death, do you know, start showing
up on the on the special team side of things.
Speaker 4 (26:57):
That's that's one of the hardest things for guys to
understand and completely understand in the league because every single guy,
especially guys that are drafted first round, second round, third round,
even fourth round, they're starters in college, and now all
of a sudden you come into the league and the
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importance that coaching staffs place on special teams players is
astounding for people that might not have ever.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Thought about that.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
There's guys that stay and I told whole bunch of
kids this morning, there's guys that stay in the league
for ten years that are primarily special teams guys. But
sometimes it takes a minute because you're used to starting
in college, you used to being in the rotation.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
All of a sudden you're not in the rotation.
Speaker 4 (27:49):
You better find a way to get in the special
team's rotation and be a guy that is so productive
that when those coaches sit in the meetings they say,
I'm not sure I want to blame, but I can't
afford to take him off the field. Yeah, that's it.
That's an excellent point. Not only are those guys the third,
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fourth round, fifth round picks, they were stars in college
in a lot of them. They were superstars in high school.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
In a lot of cases. They didn't have to play
special teams their whole life. Big fish, little ponds. You know.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
As far as that goes, by the way, on the
text line, Dave and Rick, this one's for you. They
want to the audience wants you lady in the tramping
a red velvet muffin and to get video of that. Well,
we'll try to get on that for you guys. Yeah,
Dave was busting on me yesterday as we were swapping
out of the studio.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
My reasons for doing yoga, I'm be trying to get healthy,
I'm trying to try to work out to the proud
of you.
Speaker 4 (28:45):
I'm proud of you. No, I just said, I'll bet
I know one reason you you do is.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
It bigram.
Speaker 6 (28:56):
So?
Speaker 4 (28:56):
Is there is there somebody that that actually teaches the class,
leads the class yep is that right? Is it bim
himself that does no male broom?
Speaker 2 (29:06):
It's not a male. Not a male bickroom? Is a female?
Is a female? Okay? Do that have anything to do
with the email? Bigm.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
I mean, look, when you're at the museum, you appreciate art, right, Okay,
I'm just saying, all right, I get it, I get it.
It feels so good, like it's one of those things
that I feel I used to.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
Make fun of stuff like that. Oh yeah, fun of
that stuff.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
And I get out of there, I feel like my
ass got kicked, you know, like.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
From stretching, you know, in the in the heat.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
I mean it's hot, it's it's your swelter, there's a
puddle underneath you.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
But it's it's worth it. It feels good. And I've
been I've been doing better shape.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
They're doing that than the sensory deprivation tanks. You know,
we talked about that, doing the float tanks.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
I've never done that, but I would. I'd do that.
It's done it, Yeah, it's I mean, so what does
it do for you?
Speaker 1 (29:50):
I'm and you guys probably know that. You know me
long enough, Like my mind kind of races a little bit.
I tend to get I'll get spun up a little
bit sometimes.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
Yeah, I love this. While I never would have thought
that I get going a thousand miles.
Speaker 4 (30:03):
Fart in a hot skillet, I don't.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
Even know that, but I know I I do like
get going really fast sometimes and sometimes I need something
that'll slow me down. And that's something that slows me down,
getting the like when you get out of that, is
it's a pool, right, Yeah, it's like.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
A really salty water, high concentration of salt to keep
you afloat. No, no sound in there, it's sound broos.
There's no light in there. No, it's sensory deprivation.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
Oh you're laying You're laying in the dark. You're laying
in the dark in water or sound on nothing.
Speaker 4 (30:32):
I gotta be able to see something now, I think.
I think.
Speaker 5 (30:36):
So when you get out of there, are you just
completely like.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Like just I mean relax, like everything is. Are you
Are you tired? Are you fatigued? No, I'm not tired,
not fatigued. Just chill. Are you floating or are you
laying on something solid?
Speaker 4 (30:51):
No?
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Float? You floating? Floating? I don't know.
Speaker 4 (30:54):
If I could do the you can't see anything, I
might get a little anxious.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Well, you could leave the you could leave the hatch open.
I'm sure.
Speaker 5 (31:03):
I mean you're in a Yeah, it's a private booth.
I would I would be fearful. I'd start getting a
little vertigo on that deal. Yeah. I've got a hyperbak chamber. Yeah,
EISO does Dave actually, and I use it today. I
got in there today for like ninety minutes. You feel
there though.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
I actually fell asleep in there today for almost ninety minutes.
And you feel so much better when you get out.
You got all this oxygen saturation. Uh, it's great for recovery.
I'm not trying to recover from the morning show.
Speaker 6 (31:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (31:35):
I could not sleep last night. Yeah, I couldn't sleep
so excited about the Indiana wind. Not exactly, No, I
got I actually got up at like one o'clock in
the morning, all way to the office because I couldn't sleep,
and started doing stuff in the computer.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (31:51):
Yeah, play video games, don't I don't know. He does
other stuff in the I don't do video games. There's
another thing I did once. Michael Beck, who is was
Oprah's spiritual guru. And he's a friend of mine and
I had pneumonia once. This is probably gosh ten years ago,
and he told me, he goes, I'm going to set
(32:12):
up an appointment for you with and I can't remember
the name of this thing where you get into like
this kind of a vault, like a casket. Yeah, he goes,
I'm not going to tell you anything more than that. Wait, wait, wait,
hold on. You get into a casket. It's it's shaped
like a casket. You get in, you lay down on
it on your side.
Speaker 7 (32:31):
Your neck first, there's just a let me just tell you.
I want you to finish this story. But I am
like out, I'm getting in no cast get him till
I had to get in the casket.
Speaker 4 (32:41):
I trusted him because you know he's he's the guy,
right And but he said.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
I'm not going to tell you anything.
Speaker 4 (32:49):
Else because he said, your reaction is what's supposed to
happen in there. And so I booked a session in there,
and I didn't know you could get out of this thing.
So the first time I did it, I thought they
locked me in it. And so my first reaction in
there was panic. Oh, I had a panic attack.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
I was in there.
Speaker 4 (33:08):
I was supposed to be in there for an hour.
First five minutes I was almost ready to kick the
door open. And then and what it is. It's this
prism of light with a prism of sound. You're surrounded
by it and you go into a trance. So five
minutes of panic and then I had to surrender to that.
(33:28):
I went into this unbelievable trance the remainder of the hour,
and then they long, just stay in it. I stayed
in an hour and how long you stay in the
trance all the whole time. They knocked on the on
the thing to let me know it's time to get out,
and they said you can come out now. And I said, well,
you're gonna have to let me out and they said, oh,
you can get out, and ain't till me you want,
(33:49):
just push the thing open. I was like what they said, No,
we don't tell you that, because that panic attack you
had was part of the whatever you're supposed to get
from this.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Did they sit down and talk to you? They go,
what did you see in there?
Speaker 4 (34:02):
And I said, and seriously, I said, I saw everybody
I loved in my life, and Jesus was in there
with me there you go, I swear to God and
I and they said, well, what did you say to Jesus?
And I said, and I said, oh, hey, Jesus, how
you doing? I said, it was like he was like
we were buddies and he was in there with me.
I said, where that happened? And they said, and that
was the prison, not the LST.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
You imagine the future, the drug going in there. Man,
you were actually doing.
Speaker 4 (34:27):
Ayohwashia before Dave. It trips you out. You go into
this trains in the sound, you go into a massive trance.
I want to try this now, no drugs.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
We'll see if I could figure it out during the
break we had a break would back up for this
Frick Lewis Zack sings back there, producing five six six
nine zeros and textall on you guys want to.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Get involved in the conversation.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
Shout out to Kathy Walker, thirty five years here at
KOA had her retirement shin dig this afternoon.
Speaker 4 (00:16):
She's been here same amount of time as Dave and
I've been here. Yeah, yeah, and congratulations she is retiring.
Speaker 5 (00:25):
Speak for yourself, Rick, she's been here a lot longer
than me. I don't know about you here.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
She got her she got her four days oh four out.
Speaker 4 (00:36):
Yeah, okay, all right, although I think in fairness we
better not call it retirement because she's not officially retiring.
Speaker 5 (00:43):
She's she's retiring from being the news director. But you
can hear Kathy still on the air, and uh that's
a good thing.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
She's great. Yeah, good person. Yeah, yeah, she got surprised.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
I renamed the the news studio actress thee Kathy Walker
News Studio.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
They just sign up front, Yeah, they just sign out front. Now,
that's cool. Studio a surprise or with that earlyer, this
nice little gesture. It was really cool, yeah, really cool.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
And I was like, you know, someday when I leave
this building, they're gonna renamed the exit sign the Benjamin.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
All right, get the bleep out of here. You just
don't want it to happen too soon. Well, it's you know,
for tomorrow, the next day. What do I mean, how long?
However long I can I can take her.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
If you've been to the third floor, there's a janitor's
cloud hit with my name on it.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
You've probably seen that, right, and that's legit real. Yeah. Yeah,
oh damn. I gotta tell you, man, I'm.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
Uh, you should feel pretty good about your del Frisco wagers.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Yeah, I didn't. I got to tell you. I didn't.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
I didn't see that coming last night. I I mean, they.
Speaker 5 (01:44):
They I didn't think Oak City played as well as
I've seen them playing. Yet they're fifteen early in the
fourth and then you know, and I kid Ryan a
lot about about oaklahom City being so, but what I
saw last night and how they played in the fourth
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quarter offensively was exactly what I was referring to in
terms of being soft. Because when things got a little
sticky and Indiana started hitting shots and the leads started
to dwindle, what you had was exactly what you had
in Game one against the Nuggets. He had four guys
stand around looking at Shay saying, hey, are you gonna
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You're gonna do something? And he had a good look.
You know, the ball just didn't go in. And the
ball did go in for Halliburton, and so we've got
ourselves up. I still think Oak City wins this and
I don't think it goes seven. But I think we
have ourselves obviously a better series than I thought, because
I thought I thought Oak City would win both home games.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
What I thought about through these two when when they
were matched up, is that Indiana has an advantage and
nobody else has. They've got eleven bodies that they can
actually put out there that can contribute.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
That is true and true.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
We've seen Oklahoma City pull away from teams in the
third quarter, right because they got that rotation and when
you start getting in the dead of the third quarter,
they start where they wear you out, and they've got
everybody that can shoot, and they just start to pull
away from And we just saw the Pacer. They did
pull away, but we saw the Pacers weather that and
they didn't look tired like other teams, like the Timberwolves,
like the Nuggets wakes when you.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Got to the end of that third quot.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
They looked tired, they looked energetic, and then you saw
them continue to run the fourth quarter.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
And as you guys remember last night, somebody in this
room took the Pacers and.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
The under you were, you were two l last night,
you were, well, yeah, the ender yet yeah under. Also
I thought the ender was two twenty one thirty one
thirty one. Yeah, yeah. I had to go back and
double check that too.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
Now that the d said, I did not think the
Pacers would win the game, but I did think they
would cover. And I thought it would be a lower
scoring game.
Speaker 6 (03:43):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
And the way the Pacers opened that game with all
those turnovers on the road against the best team in
the NBA, there's.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
No way you win that game on the rock.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
You got to quit the cross court passing against a
long team like Oklahoma City, they they they're too long.
They get in those lanes and cute across the court passing,
whipping the ball around stuff that.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
And he was doing seventeen first half turnovers. Yeah, five
in the second half.
Speaker 5 (04:07):
And so Indiana, I thought Indiana settled in and played well. Again,
I didn't think two things I thought in games. It
was so much like the Nuggets game, just in terms
of how the fourth quarter went. Also, the Nuggets started
to making a push and oak City started to get
hesitant with the ball offensively.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
That happened, for sure. I did not think Oklahoma City.
Speaker 5 (04:29):
Played with the fervor on defense that I have seen
them play with before. If you go back and look
at the especially the second half, I mean, the closeouts
were not like we've seen from Oklahoma City. They got
sloppy in terms of putting bodies on people underneath, and
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Siakum in particular, sneaks inside on a couple of occasions,
gets an easy rebound to put back. So I still
think Oklahoma City wins the series. But I think with Indiana,
I mean, you have to give him credit. That's the
fifth time this postseason that they have come from fifteen
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points or more down to win a game. That's the
first time that has happened in the last twenty seven
NBA seasons. So they're doing something that's pretty special.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
Another thing we talked about last night happened, and that
is Halliburton. You didn't even notice him for probably what
two thirds of the game, and then he hits the
dagger at the end of the game, which.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
He's now known for.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
He's an amazing player, but for some reason, he just
he doesn't do much.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
He kind of disappears, like we talked about.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
And I never thought they'd come back from that deficit
late in the game, because it just didn't look like
they had anything left against the best defensive team in
the league.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
And they, like I didn't.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
I'm gonna pretend like I knew the whole time, but
I was sitting in this I was sitting in that
chair that you're sitting again, mister Logan with a coach
Logan with a bad case of the tight cheeks, with
Thick ferguson over here last night as I'm like, oh man,
every time lou Dort sank one, I'm just sitting here
like we're celebrating somewhere right now is the human Dorts
continues to tear up the Pacers defense. But yeah, in
the fourth quarter, I had noted Pacers fan Tony Manus
(06:23):
with his Pacers shirt on in here.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Celebrating, right it was. It was good with this.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
You mentioned the Haliburton the clutch gene thing there. I
don't know if we call that a thing, but it
kind of is. I mean, it reminds me guys like
Derek Fisher, big shot, Bob Robert, or guys who you
know can go stretches of the game without being a
huge contributor. But when when you need a shot, when
you need somebody to be nails, that guy's there.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Well more than those two.
Speaker 5 (06:53):
All you have to do is is appreciate this stat
In in the NBA playoffs, Tyrese Teliburton is five for
five taking game winning or game time shots in the
with under I believe, with under ten seconds to go
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in the game. In this postseason, five for five. The
rest of the NBA is four for twenty. So he's
I mean, he's a terrific shooter. You know, he had
fourteen points last night, which is I mean. Oak City's
done a nice job on him. They did a good
job on him in both regular season games, as I
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mentioned yesterday, average eleven a game. But the other guys,
I mean, in the in the fourth quarter, Indiana is six.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
For ten from three point range. They're shooting sixty percent.
Speaker 4 (07:54):
They're going to beat a lot of teams if they
shoot sixty percent in the fourth quarter from three point
range and they are three point shooting team.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
So I think.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
Oklahoma City has to go back and watch that tape
and say, hey, we we there are times where and
this is not how we play.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
We're kind of going through the motion. You got to
you got to.
Speaker 5 (08:13):
Close out like I've seen them close out before. And
I still think Oklahoma City wins this series.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
But you got to give Indiana credit for last night.
Speaker 4 (08:22):
You know what, the pressure is off the Pacers now.
I believe, in fact, they said last night we're playing
with house money now and sphincters are tightening in Oklahoma City.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
This one of Dave's favorite words. By Vegas. Yah.
Speaker 4 (08:36):
Right, So the pressure is building significantly on Okay.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
See, this is gonna be a fun series now. Yeah,
I'm you know, I'm looking forward to it. You know,
it kind of reminds me of the way they've been
able to come back. It sort of reminds me.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
I guess if I think it was that first run
that Kansas City had in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
You remember when they'd.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Get down every game, they'd be down, you know, a
couple of touchdowns in the first quarter and it was
like it was not even a Texans I think got
up on them.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
The playoffs right near the playoffs, got up on them
like twenty one points.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
It wasn't even a thing, Like, it wasn't even it
did not even register. They're like, oh, now they're done
playing with their food. That's what it sort of reminds me.
You have in basketball terms, Yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
Think you you can't.
Speaker 5 (09:15):
You can't underestimate what confidence does I mean to have
a team infused with confidence where they believe, no matter
what happens, we're never out of it. And they've got yeah,
guys stepping up in not named Tyrese Haliburton knocking down
three point shots in the fourth quarter, So yeah, they're dangerous.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
They've got they've got guys that.
Speaker 5 (09:37):
Can score from the perimeter. And I think Oklahoma City
I didn't understand going with the small lineup. Mark Dagnell,
who's done a terrific job coaching, I don't know. Sometimes
I think as coaches you can outthink yourself. I mean,
there's a reason you've had the best record in the league.
And to me, I don't know that I want to
play small ball against Indiana just me. But again, I
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think it's gonna be I think it's gonna be a
fun series.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
Was that the soft side of Okay, see that you
talk about a lot at the end of I think
give it.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
The off side is they they.
Speaker 5 (10:15):
When they've got it going and running and getting lay
I mean.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
They blow you out.
Speaker 5 (10:21):
But if you can find a way to stay in
a game in the fourth quarter and the game starts
to tighten, they have a tendency and whether softness is
the right way to describe it to me, they have
a tendency to kind of start, you know, looking from
side to side without moving your head. Your eyes are
just kind of shifting like, Okay, who's we know we
(10:44):
got Shay, so let's go. Let's go four out Unlet's
Shay create. I mean they did it the last three
times down the court last night. And he had a
good look. He had he had the bump fade that
he is known for. He creates the separation with the
bump fades. He's sixty six, got a great look from
you know, fifteen feet.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
He just shot it along just I mean, he missed
a shot. If he makes a shot, it's a three
point game. Now Indiana has to take a three pointer
to tie. But he didn't, and Tyrese Haliburton was able
to get to a nice spot for him, rise up
and hit about a seventeen foot jump shot for the win.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
With this, I mean obviously in Indiana winning which surprised you,
winning a series.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Which shocked me.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Still shock you, Okay, So if they, if they were
to win, where would it rank among the old time
finals upsets over you know, mass Heat. That would be
cas Warriors, Pistons, Lakers, Yeah, the Cavs.
Speaker 5 (11:40):
I'd have to go back and look from a Las
Vegas standpoint and see who was favored.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
You know, when this series started, before last.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
Night's game, Oklahoma City was was a seven hundred favorite,
meaning if you wanted to bet Oklahoma City he wanted
to win one hundred dollars, you had to risk seven.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Hundred to win one hundred.
Speaker 5 (12:00):
So they that's that's a prohibitive favorite in the finals.
So those two that you mentioned, Ben, I think I'd.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
Like to go back and see what they were.
Speaker 5 (12:09):
I mean, Golden Steak, Cleveland, I mean, the Calves came
back from down three to one, and that one.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Dallas and the Heat. I was rooting for Dallas, but I.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
Don't remember, if you know, with No Whisky and Jason Kidd,
if they if Miami was just a huge Oh that was.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
The lebron That was the trio, that was Weed Bosh.
Speaker 5 (12:30):
With Navisky and and Jason Kidd and some of those dudes.
If it was a seven hundred, if they were a
seven hundred favorite.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
But it would be fun to go back and look, Yeah,
to go back and look.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
What if chet Holgram plays like this the rest of
the way, they probably don't win the series six points.
Last night, guys two for nine from the field, He
had six rebounds.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
How many minutes City played? No assists? Yeah, not enough?
Yeah that he disappeared, not enough.
Speaker 5 (12:58):
Well, they tinkered with the starting lineup, but in which
I don't understand, don't I don't know. At this point,
I would be inclined to make Indiana play how we play,
rather than trying to match what Indiana does.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
I understand it.
Speaker 4 (13:15):
Theoretically, you get you get get a little more speed
and a little little more defensive like perimeter defense in
but man oh man.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Yeah, I think my theory on that because I noticed
it last night. We're you know, we're watching as we're
doing the show, and I was talking to Nick and like,
I wonder if they think Heartenstein can't run at the
Pacers level, you know, and maybe that's why they're trying
to but that's playing into their hands.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
At the day. Yeah, I think so too.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
I've told that our million dollar crack research team, which
consists of our producer back to as X seekers, does
have the odds on those NBA Finals you got Zach
Yes pre series.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
In the Calves Warriors series, the Calves were plus one
point eighty to pull off the upset. Compare that to
plus five hundred with the Thunder Okay in twenty eleven,
the Map were only plus one sixty to pull off
the upset against the Heat. The ESPN actually has the
game by game odds listed for the Cavs Warrior series,
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the only time the Cavs San Antonio Cleveland.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Have to look into that one.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
But the only time the Calves have longer odds in
that twenty sixteen series or when they're down two to
oher or when they're down three to one. Only time
it dipped below plus found.
Speaker 5 (14:25):
So this would be and again, Oklahoma City was minus
seven hundred, and I think if you took Indiana before
last night's game, you could you could get plus five hundred.
So if you bet one hundred dollars on Pacers to
win and they win the series, You're gonna win five
hundred dollars. It's it's the It's the most decisive favorite
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that I can remember in the NBA. The only one
that pops to mind that maybe close is when Lebron,
very early in his career, played Tim Duncan, Manu Ginobili,
Tony Parker that crew, and I don't think I don't
think Cleveland won a game.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
I think the Spurs swept them.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
I thought, I remember the Raptors Golden State. I thought
that one was decent there. I can't remember what the
odds were on that one. I thought that was pretty
far spread though.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Well, the Raptors wound up winning. Yeah, yeah, but Golden
State was the favorite.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Raptors were at plus one seventy five. Okay, I directed,
I've got the historical data going back to twenty fourteen.
The only longer odds underdogs than Indiana entering this series
would be the Calves in twenty seventeen and twenty eighteen
going up against the fully healthy Katie Warriors.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Okay, now, what were the Calves.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
Plus eleven hundred and twenty eighteen plus one thousand and
twenty seventeen.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
So you could bet one hundred dollars when the Calves
to win the series and win one thousand and Speaking
of odds, according to DraftKings, ok C is now minus
three hundred to win the series, so there's still a
three to one favorite. Yeah, to win the series is
which honestly, I still think they're going to win the series.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
I put the Pacers before last night. We'll see. You
got two bets. We'll see what happens. It goes seven.
I put a monetary bet with the book, Oh win
the series, so.
Speaker 4 (16:15):
We'll see, we'll see. I've been wrong before, I'll be
wrong again. I just do buy you the stake and
have you win the money.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
I mean.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
In two thousand and six, the young Lebron James Cleveland
Cavaliers were plus three sixty to beat the Spurs, so
they were viewed as even more competitive than this pacer.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Okay, all right, yeah, I just I thought it was fascinating.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
I was as the final shot went that, I was like, Ohm,
I have fun with this tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Oh yeah, I was going to text you at the moment.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
I texted Ryan, I text her I was sure if
you could be upper dined with the time I got
around to I texted Ryde and it was like, you
were sure.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
I was going to be up watching the game. I
mean really not immediately.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
After the game by the time I got home and everything,
so I might have had myself a frost.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
I'm just saying.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
I texted like eleven thirty at night, so like, you know,
it's okay, all right, I should have texted you, But
I texted him.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
I was like, so, man, yeah, that's all right. I
enjoy enjoy your one win. Yeah, well I'm to tell
you back, but I was down for Stak dinners. We're
at two now, so this could boy, this could wipe
the books clean. Well wait a minute, how did you
already win too?
Speaker 1 (17:20):
I want to to go back and look, I wrote it.
I write all these downs so that we never it's
in my joel. Oh you you're down to going into this.
I'm down two to you this? Yes, and then you
did double or nothing better double.
Speaker 4 (17:32):
I could go back to four, or it could We've
got a steak dinner that the series goes seven, which
I still think I win.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
What's the other one on this series? Uh?
Speaker 1 (17:42):
Well, yeah, you said that it doesn't go seven, and
then I took the Pacers.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
To win the series. You took kay, Okay, see.
Speaker 5 (17:47):
So I'm gonna have four steak dinners when this is
done because with you. Yeah, Oak said he will win
this series now because of their.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Inability to hold a fifteen point lead.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
Now the series goes six. Where are these steak by
the way, like it's a winner's choice. I'm a dumpers man,
you know, Okay? Either way?
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Right?
Speaker 1 (18:08):
Either way? Rix Rix likes x t K likes the
DJ in background. Have you been down there? That's there
you go, I got a DJ play. It's like a
club where you're doing no one here town. I've been
down there for yeah, with my friend Mario. We did
anyway we got I think we got hit a break here,
but we come back. I want to get into some
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comments Sean Payton had on the young rookies got a baron.
He had some uh some comments on PS two little
bit of the secondary stuff. You just chance to hit
on all that stuff. Canay sports back up for this one.
It's not a good look for me. It's really not
a good look. You're right, that's not one of the people.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
I can't be.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
I can't be my frame when I if I put
on too many pounds, it looks bad.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
And then if I don't have hair, it looks really bad.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
It's like a column from Lord of the Rings, Precious,
you know, it's it's not a good look for me.
So yeah, if I ever go ball were he saw
on the turf, you know, as many times as we
can he I.
Speaker 4 (19:02):
Guess that procedures really improved, apparently, Minsky. Yeah, Rosses, Yeah,
well he just did it on his face. He didn't
do his head. He did it on his face for
a second too.
Speaker 5 (19:18):
He can It's seriously, it's and I've timed it thirty
seven minutes, yes, exactly. That dude can grow a beard
fast as anybody that I know.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
Meanwhile, I'm sitting right here with a month's worth of growth.
It looks like a two huge crustash on men. You know,
I look like I'm back in high school or something.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
I go, look at the mange. It comes in patches.
It's getting wider patches.
Speaker 4 (19:41):
You know, I told you before we started, do you
look healthier to me? I didn't know you lost thirty pound.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Yeah. I've been I've been doing the health kick thing. Man.
I had been working out and eating.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Well, basically a draconian died, which is me and Carbs
mutually parted ways.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
But I had one of those Kathy Walker retirement cupcases.
And let me tell you the makeup sex where they
do it.
Speaker 4 (19:57):
Rick, Rick brought me one of those. That's a red
velvet cupcake. I believe you gonna have one. Uh, that
was the last one. That's why I'm trying to eat
with you.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Deal.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
Okay, it's wealthy if you only have one right, right
half of it? Okay, basically healthy. Do you know what
else is healthy for the Broncos defense that's ending? Jade Baron.
Sean Payton praised shot A bar for his intelligence, instincts
and ability to handle so much of the defense already.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Uh, here's Sean Payton on that one.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Hey kind of playing the slot?
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Yeah, how was he kind of picked off learning about businessitions.
Speaker 6 (20:32):
It's extremely smart and he played both Texas.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
His instincts.
Speaker 6 (20:40):
Are real, real high, and so you could give him
more than maybe some other another player of.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
The same position. Some guys you might say.
Speaker 6 (20:53):
Let's just leave him in the left corner for the
right corner before we do it. I think he's one
of those players that kid can handle body.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Do you feel like he's like Malcolm Chickens almost where
he can potentially play safety as well.
Speaker 6 (21:09):
I don't have the same vision that I did for
Malcolm came in in nine, played nickel and then went
to safety.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
I see now, I'm not saying he couldn't in a.
Speaker 6 (21:21):
Pinch, but the vision for ends inside and outside.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
Sean Bayden's sounding like me after a night out in
Indianapolis up there at the Combine, having a few road
pops there with that voice.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
But his expectations, I mean he talks about and hypes
up Jade Barton.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
I think after one conversation you can certainly see the
kid is uh has got his life together, is very motivated.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
But what are our expectations? You're one for Jadda Baron, Yeah,
I think.
Speaker 4 (21:50):
I think he comes in as an extremely mature young guy.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Right.
Speaker 4 (21:56):
We interviewed him, but he had his initial press conference
out at the Broncos facility and I was just struck by,
you know, how grounded he was. It didn't seem too big.
It seemed like, I mean, he talked and his mannerisms
were like a guy who'd been in the league for
four or five years. And been to two or three
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Pro Bowls, and just like a veteran, he had sort
of an old soul, but a veteran presence.
Speaker 5 (22:24):
So now you go back and if you go back
and look at his tape at Texas, I think Shawn's
exactly right. I mean they played him inside and out.
I had a tight end down there. Gunner Helm and
talked to him a little bit, and Gunner's now with
the Titans, and he said that Jette Baron's a smart
at defensive players he's ever been around. And I think
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the coaches probably said the same thing to Sean Payton.
So when you have that kind of versatility that you
can play outside, you're stout enough that you can come
in and play the nickel because the nickel has to
be able to cover, but he also has to be
able to hold up in.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
The running game. I think they're going to be really
creative with him this year.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
You know what, He's also going to push Riley Moss.
Speaker 4 (23:13):
I feel like they'll probably play him more inside, but
just having him out there, it's competition's great, and Riley
Moss I think still has an upside to him. He
played pretty well the times last year. I thought he
kind of faded a bit down the stretch, but he's
going to get pushed. That's going to make him better.
(23:34):
It's going to make Baron better. And for me, it'll
be interesting to see where they play him.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Yeah, I tend to think he'll probably play on the
inside in the slot. And for j Qui mcmillion quite
a bit. But that I mean as we look at
this all of a sudden, as we step back and
look at this, the Broncos roster has more depth than it's.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Had in a while. Like this team is the floor.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
On this team in terms of the you know, the
rush we're talking about guys we have to cut, not
places we need to add when everybody else is cutting
the first time in years.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
Shout out to George Payton on that.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
But as we look at this, I mean, our guys
like Jaquon mcmillion, maybe the Murray mathis Luke Hays in trouble.
Speaker 4 (24:09):
Well, the competition's been I think substantially.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
Altered.
Speaker 5 (24:16):
Whenever you know, I think back to when I played,
I think I only had one season that there was
a first round wide receiver that was taken.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
But what it does for the guys that are already
in that room.
Speaker 5 (24:31):
It's like it gets your attention, it piques your interest.
It's like, Okay, he's not he's not getting my job.
I don't care how good he is.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
So if if I'm uh Ja Kwan, if I'm the
Murray mathis.
Speaker 5 (24:48):
If I'm Chris Abrams Drain. You know, if I'm Chris
Abrams Drain, I came in. I played pretty well when
give an opportunity last year and all of a sudden,
you got you pick a corner in the first round.
So I imagine he'll come in with a chip on
his shoulder. That's exactly what you want. You want those
dudes to be hyper competitive. And that's one position. I
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think if you if you said a one position on
the on the team that you got to have the
most guys the best depth in order to be a
playoff team. And I'm taking quarterback out of the mix,
I'd say defensive back.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
It's uh yeah, It's funny because and I say the
same thing.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
All the time. There's a dearth of corners around the league.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
Now there's more money in Travis Hunter playing wide receiver,
but there's a dearth of corners around the you know,
available to play corners around the league, and so that's
that's kind of thing. It's interesting though, because every year
at cutdown Day, what do we see. We see teams
cutting corners to keep offensive linemen around and then try
to add those corners back to the practice squad. There's
a scramble to kind of do that. I find that
(25:57):
fascinating for what is probably is your You're saying they're
the most valuable position.
Speaker 4 (26:01):
And I like the word dearth, I'm going to say plethora.
I broke out the yeah in there. It's a myriad
of corners. And the other good thing about having a
plethora of good defensive backs is your special teams are
going to be better.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Because those backups, the guys.
Speaker 4 (26:19):
That aren't aren't starting, will be on special teams and
so it just elevates the whole team.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
When do you have a situation like that?
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Yeah, Uh, And they brought uh because they lost Tremont Smith,
who was a special teams you know, sort of stand out,
and he got paid pretty well, I think going back
to Houston. Uh, they brought in Trent Sherfield, who's a
wide receiver to do some of that. Although watching him
out at to he had two just wide open drops,
just you know, bad case of bad case of bad
hands that day.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
You know, I don't know, maybe maybe that this helps.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
Uh, those guys get their act together on special teams
and maybe at Tomary Mathis and the Neighborhms train in
addition to being corner death, do you know, start showing
up on the on the special team side of things.
Speaker 4 (26:57):
That's that's one of the hardest things for guys to
understand and completely understand in the league because every single guy,
especially guys that are drafted first round, second round, third round,
even fourth round, they're starters in college, and now all
of a sudden you come into the league and the
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importance that coaching staffs place on special teams players is
astounding for people that might not have ever.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Thought about that.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
There's guys that stay and I told whole bunch of
kids this morning, there's guys that stay in the league
for ten years that are primarily special teams guys. But
sometimes it takes a minute because you're used to starting
in college, you used to being in the rotation.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
All of a sudden you're not in the rotation.
Speaker 4 (27:49):
You better find a way to get in the special
team's rotation and be a guy that is so productive
that when those coaches sit in the meetings they say,
I'm not sure I want to blame, but I can't
afford to take him off the field. Yeah, that's it.
That's an excellent point. Not only are those guys the third,
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fourth round, fifth round picks, they were stars in college
in a lot of them. They were superstars in high school.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
In a lot of cases. They didn't have to play
special teams their whole life. Big fish, little ponds. You know.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
As far as that goes, by the way, on the
text line, Dave and Rick, this one's for you. They
want to the audience wants you lady in the tramping
a red velvet muffin and to get video of that. Well,
we'll try to get on that for you guys. Yeah,
Dave was busting on me yesterday as we were swapping
out of the studio.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
My reasons for doing yoga, I'm be trying to get healthy,
I'm trying to try to work out to the proud
of you.
Speaker 4 (28:45):
I'm proud of you. No, I just said, I'll bet
I know one reason you you do is.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
It bigram.
Speaker 6 (28:56):
So?
Speaker 4 (28:56):
Is there is there somebody that that actually teaches the class,
leads the class yep is that right? Is it bim
himself that does no male broom?
Speaker 2 (29:06):
It's not a male. Not a male bickroom? Is a female?
Is a female? Okay? Do that have anything to do
with the email? Bigm.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
I mean, look, when you're at the museum, you appreciate art, right, Okay,
I'm just saying, all right, I get it, I get it.
It feels so good, like it's one of those things
that I feel I used to.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
Make fun of stuff like that. Oh yeah, fun of
that stuff.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
And I get out of there, I feel like my
ass got kicked, you know, like.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
From stretching, you know, in the in the heat.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
I mean it's hot, it's it's your swelter, there's a
puddle underneath you.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
But it's it's worth it. It feels good. And I've
been I've been doing better shape.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
They're doing that than the sensory deprivation tanks. You know,
we talked about that, doing the float tanks.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
I've never done that, but I would. I'd do that.
It's done it, Yeah, it's I mean, so what does
it do for you?
Speaker 1 (29:50):
I'm and you guys probably know that. You know me
long enough, Like my mind kind of races a little bit.
I tend to get I'll get spun up a little
bit sometimes.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
Yeah, I love this. While I never would have thought
that I get going a thousand miles.
Speaker 4 (30:03):
Fart in a hot skillet, I don't.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
Even know that, but I know I I do like
get going really fast sometimes and sometimes I need something
that'll slow me down. And that's something that slows me down,
getting the like when you get out of that, is
it's a pool, right, Yeah, it's like.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
A really salty water, high concentration of salt to keep
you afloat. No, no sound in there, it's sound broos.
There's no light in there. No, it's sensory deprivation.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
Oh you're laying You're laying in the dark. You're laying
in the dark in water or sound on nothing.
Speaker 4 (30:32):
I gotta be able to see something now, I think.
I think.
Speaker 5 (30:36):
So when you get out of there, are you just
completely like.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Like just I mean relax, like everything is. Are you
Are you tired? Are you fatigued? No, I'm not tired,
not fatigued. Just chill. Are you floating or are you
laying on something solid?
Speaker 4 (30:51):
No?
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Float? You floating? Floating? I don't know.
Speaker 4 (30:54):
If I could do the you can't see anything, I
might get a little anxious.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Well, you could leave the you could leave the hatch open.
I'm sure.
Speaker 5 (31:03):
I mean you're in a Yeah, it's a private booth.
I would I would be fearful. I'd start getting a
little vertigo on that deal. Yeah. I've got a hyperbak chamber. Yeah,
EISO does Dave actually, and I use it today. I
got in there today for like ninety minutes. You feel
there though.
Speaker 4 (31:19):
I actually fell asleep in there today for almost ninety minutes.
And you feel so much better when you get out.
You got all this oxygen saturation. Uh, it's great for recovery.
I'm not trying to recover from the morning show.
Speaker 6 (31:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (31:35):
I could not sleep last night. Yeah, I couldn't sleep
so excited about the Indiana wind. Not exactly, No, I
got I actually got up at like one o'clock in
the morning, all way to the office because I couldn't sleep,
and started doing stuff in the computer.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (31:51):
Yeah, play video games, don't I don't know. He does
other stuff in the I don't do video games. There's
another thing I did once. Michael Beck, who is was
Oprah's spiritual guru. And he's a friend of mine and
I had pneumonia once. This is probably gosh ten years ago,
and he told me, he goes, I'm going to set
(32:12):
up an appointment for you with and I can't remember
the name of this thing where you get into like
this kind of a vault, like a casket. Yeah, he goes,
I'm not going to tell you anything more than that. Wait, wait, wait,
hold on. You get into a casket. It's it's shaped
like a casket. You get in, you lay down on
it on your side.
Speaker 7 (32:31):
Your neck first, there's just a let me just tell you.
I want you to finish this story. But I am
like out, I'm getting in no cast get him till
I had to get in the casket.
Speaker 4 (32:41):
I trusted him because you know he's he's the guy,
right And but he said.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
I'm not going to tell you anything.
Speaker 4 (32:49):
Else because he said, your reaction is what's supposed to
happen in there. And so I booked a session in there,
and I didn't know you could get out of this thing.
So the first time I did it, I thought they
locked me in it. And so my first reaction in
there was panic. Oh, I had a panic attack.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
I was in there.
Speaker 4 (33:08):
I was supposed to be in there for an hour.
First five minutes I was almost ready to kick the
door open. And then and what it is. It's this
prism of light with a prism of sound. You're surrounded
by it and you go into a trance. So five
minutes of panic and then I had to surrender to that.
(33:28):
I went into this unbelievable trance the remainder of the hour,
and then they long, just stay in it. I stayed
in an hour and how long you stay in the
trance all the whole time. They knocked on the on
the thing to let me know it's time to get out,
and they said you can come out now. And I said, well,
you're gonna have to let me out and they said, oh,
you can get out, and ain't till me you want,
(33:49):
just push the thing open. I was like what they said, No,
we don't tell you that, because that panic attack you
had was part of the whatever you're supposed to get
from this.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Did they sit down and talk to you? They go,
what did you see in there?
Speaker 4 (34:02):
And I said, and seriously, I said, I saw everybody
I loved in my life, and Jesus was in there
with me there you go, I swear to God and
I and they said, well, what did you say to Jesus?
And I said, and I said, oh, hey, Jesus, how
you doing? I said, it was like he was like
we were buddies and he was in there with me.
I said, where that happened? And they said, and that
was the prison, not the LST.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
You imagine the future, the drug going in there. Man,
you were actually doing.
Speaker 4 (34:27):
Ayohwashia before Dave. It trips you out. You go into
this trains in the sound, you go into a massive trance.
I want to try this now, no drugs.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
We'll see if I could figure it out during the
break we had a break would back up for this
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