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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And here's a Segers back there behind the glass. Five
six six nine zero is the text line. Did you
ever figure out if they had that place local, because
now I want to I want to.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Do your transfer.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
I'm looking for that. I forgot the name of it,
but they did have one in Arvada. I went to
the one at Sidona, which is a healing center. Anyway,
you have been to Sedona, I mean I've been there. Yeah,
a lot of vortex's there, these healing bortex is there.
So I went to Sedona, but I know they had
won it in Arvada at the time. They had like
a franchise around the country.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
The Now I'm curious. My curiosity's peach, so I want
to try to cool man, it's pretty cool. I'm getting
in a casket until it's my time, and then I
won't know.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Just say, I have no interest in jumping in the
casket like on my own and alive.
Speaker 4 (00:46):
Say.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Cast was like, somebody bite you on the neck before
they put you in.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Yeah, and they told me after they said, we didn't
want to tell you what it's going to be like,
because that's the experience. Whatever the experience is for you,
that's the healing process, and they said for you, what
are you trying to heal from pneumonia at the time? Actually, oh,
and he thought it would be good for me to
do that. I'm talking about Michael beckwith and so that's
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why I went, did you get out and not have pneumonia?
I felt a lot better, I really did. Like I
saw Jesus in there, Dave. Jesus was in this box
with me for real. Okay, no drugs. I took no drugs, David, this.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Is another one. He's not by it. I'm never I
never go Dave.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
I'm never gonna dispute Jesus ever ever.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
I'm just not didn't you say you sign? Damn it?
You sign? Yeah? The box wasn't big enough for two.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Otherwise I'd go in there with you and hold your hand. No, no, no,
but you ain't getting it.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Not big enough for the two of us, that's for sure.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Let's us for the hotline and bring on the cosmidor
from actual wondering what he into it?
Speaker 2 (01:55):
This boy, Nick? How you doing money?
Speaker 5 (01:57):
I'm doing great.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
You jumping in the casket before your time to for healing?
Speaker 4 (02:02):
You know, it's funny.
Speaker 5 (02:03):
I just I was just watching my.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
Kids six ers, all these in all these mister Beast
videos the other day and he's watching one where.
Speaker 5 (02:09):
The dude basically sits in a in.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
A air climate controlled coffin and gets buried alive for
for seven hours, for seven days. I think, yeah, I'm
not I'm not using that for seven minutes.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
I'm out. I'm out on all that. Yeah, involved with you?
Seven days? No? How much money?
Speaker 5 (02:26):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Seven?
Speaker 5 (02:29):
Well, yeah, twenty bucks?
Speaker 4 (02:31):
I think, Well it was it was the guy like
he's doing it just just to do it, which is
obviously insane.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Yeah, that's a let me think about No. Uh so, Nick,
Game one last night. You've covered the NBA for a
long time in the NFL. I know you're a hoops fan.
What what did you What did you think of how
Game one played out?
Speaker 4 (02:52):
You know, I just think that we we've had you know,
teams before that that thrives in the clutch and that
you just know in those moments you're gonna get, you know, poised,
you're gonna get like just just tenacity in terms of
not letting go of the rope. But the Pacers are
rewriting that to a degree that I've just never seen,
like the inevitability of a team being downed by fifteen
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or sixteen points. And I know this version of the NBA,
it's not as insurmountable as it once was. But just
that's the word I keep thinking about the Pacers is
they have this inevitability that they're in games they have
no business winning, and one way or another, they get
to a situation which Tyres Haliburton is giving you a
chance to win the game in the final seconds. Like
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it really is remarkable and to the point where you
just think maybe they really are some sort of you
talked about Jesus in the box, may maybe there's some
sort of destiny involved.
Speaker 5 (03:46):
In this team.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
But yeah, that was kind of what just kept going
through my mind. When they're down nine with a couple
of minutes to go, and you know that first three
goes in, You're just like, here we go again, because
they've just kept doing it.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Nick, as we look at where this thing could go
from here, I mean, it's it's one of those they
were Okay, so he was a have you favorite.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
A Day's pointed out several times going to this thing.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Do you believe in Indiana or is this just a
one off that they caught him looking on the first.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
Game, Well, it is interesting, like it really was sort
of almost like a carbon copy of Game one of
the Western Conference Finals, right the Nuggets were down, you know,
double digits for almost the entirety of that game, barely
ever led.
Speaker 5 (04:29):
And then low and behold the last couple of minutes.
Speaker 4 (04:32):
You know, you say, how did they get to that
point where they had a chance to win the game
in the final shot and Aaron Gordon of course made
that shot. And what did the Thunder turn around and
do the next game? They crushed the Nuggets by like
forty points. So I think that they are such a
good and well rounded basketball team that I really don't
doubt their response. Of course, being in the finals and
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having it happen on that stage is different, But I
just think we've so consistently seen the response from them,
and when you're a team that goes in and you
win game game one on the road, it's hard to
conjure that same to that or that that sort of
same urgency at home h to to be on the
road and try to make it two oh in your favor.
(05:14):
And obviously Haliburton, you heard them afterwards saying like we.
Speaker 5 (05:16):
Got to get greedy.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
Now, that's that's so so important. But but again, I
just think that that's going to be based on the
way we've seen the Thunder respond and their defensive.
Speaker 5 (05:25):
Length and all those kinds of things.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
I don't I.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
Don't really doubt that they're going to respond. But again,
I just think that with the Pacers, you are never
out of a game, so pushing them away is not
going to be easy for the Thunder.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Nick, that's just put a whole lot of pressure on
the Thunder loosing the first game at home, especially the
way they did it. And my question for you is
Cheed Holmgren, what happened? Six points?
Speaker 4 (05:48):
Yeah, yeah, Again, it's just you. You talk about guys
in this, in this, in this, I'm sorry, I mean
to catch you off. I I think it's just again,
you're having young players who are kind of getting into
this for the for the first time. And you know,
I think I saw some of that in the Nuggets run,
even though they won the finals obviously in five games,
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you're kind of in some of those early moments. You
saw it with a guy like Michael Porter Junior, who
was having a really good playoffs there in twenty twenty three.
Speaker 5 (06:16):
But then gets to the finals and at times.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
The stage is just a little bit a little bit bigger,
everything is magnified. I don't doubt that he'll kind of
respond to that and again with a thunder. They just
have so many different bodies that they can throw at
you defensively, where everybody's ultimately going to get there, going
to get their opportunity. So I think we're in for
a great series.
Speaker 5 (06:37):
I really do.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
And I love the way that Indiana thought back to
kind of make sure that you know, we had the
table set to have that kind of opportunity in this series.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
Next, speaking of the Nuggets, I'm on record as saying
I will be surprised if Michael Porter Junior is back. Now.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
I know that salaries have to match up.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
I understand that, and I'm quite certain the Nuggets are
not going to give him away, But I really think they're.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Going to make a move with him.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
I'm just not exactly certain as to who in return.
Do you think the core group of the Nuggets comes
back intact or do you think one or more of
that core group may in fact be elsewhere next year?
Speaker 4 (07:23):
Well, I'm I'm with you, Dave that I think they
are absolutely going to explore the opportunity to get something
in exchange for Michael Porter Junior and sort of reconstruct
the way that they view building a team around Nikola Jokicic, right,
whether that's whether that is you know, getting more draft
capital so that you can actually, you know, have an
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opportunity to take a couple more swings in the draft
on some guys with some serious subside, you know, whether
that's the route they go and say, hey, by a
couple of years from now, at the end of Nikola
Yokich's window, we have to make sure that we have
another bona fide star player next to him, you know,
because that's not.
Speaker 5 (08:02):
Who Porter is.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
He's a role player who obviously got paid like a
star player, and that is what it is at this point.
But I do think that they have to do something
to shake it up, and it's going to be interesting. Obviously,
do they stay in house to fill the general manager role?
Do they go outside? I think this organization from a
front office perspective, is in need of some fresh thinking,
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and so they got to get that done first, and
then we can maybe have a little bit of a
better idea of like what the philosophy is going to
be in terms of how you properly build a team
around Nikole Yokic. I mean, ideally Porter when he's on
is that guy because of the way that he spaces the.
Speaker 5 (08:39):
Floor, because of his ability to rebound the basketball.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
But again, the consistency of it has just not been there,
and I think you really do have to get inventive
when you're talking about this Thunder team's not going anywhere.
You have other teams in the West, like the Rockets, that.
Speaker 5 (08:52):
Are young and they're just going to I think have.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
To be a little bit creative in terms of how
they view the next phase of building into you know, the.
Speaker 5 (09:00):
Next part of Yokic's prime.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Nick, we appreciate time as always. Brother, all right, thank you,
thank you, Thanks Nick.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Blocks, Dave Logan, Rick Lewis, zach se Hears back there
producing five six six nine zero, uh is the text line.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
I see a bunch of these.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
I don't know if you guys see this stuff on
social media, but on Facebook lately there are all these
these Broncos fan groups that are posting all these just
ridiculous fake stories.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Have you guys seen this stuff?
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Aaron Rodgers signing with the Broncos Steve Atwater joining the
team as a coach. Uh, fake quotes knew I knew
that would fake fake quotes from Sean Payton on Pride
Month today like all this Like is this? I don't
know if you guy knew anything about this? Yes, Steve
had to actually Steve had to put a public statement
out to refute it.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Wow. But these it's it's something and is it AI
generated stuff? I don't know.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
It's some scam website fire byline dot net.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
But uh, it's some scam website.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
But it's posting it all all these Broncos groups, and
these groups have thousands and thousands of followers, and it's
coming across my Facebook feed and I see it and
I'm like and then people get ask me about it.
I get asked about this stuff all the time. And
they started, They're like, whoa, what is this? Why didn't
you report this? What is this happening?
Speaker 2 (10:13):
I thought Rogers Jordan the Steelers, and I'm like, yeah,
he is. But so keep your head on a swivel, man.
So not everything you read on the internet is true.
That's quote, that's what you're trying to say. Quote from
Abraham Lincoln.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
That's good to know, because I typically believe everything I
read on the Internet.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
I found it fascinating. How how prevalent this is not?
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Perhaps it is AI generated stuff, you know, to drive
something to a URL to boost the traffic and then
it gets better ranked in Google.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
That kind of stuff.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
I don't know, but I just did something cross my
mind that I wanted to see if you guys were
dealing with as much of it as I do.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
Steve that water thing, I did have to look twice
at him, like, wait a minute, I think I would
have First of all, I think I would have heard
that I had just seen Steve who was on the
Broncos Ring of Fame committee with me. But it did,
I mean it was it looked legit. Yeah, if you
were a second And then I said, there's no way.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
Well I texted him because I was like, dude, how
did you not you joined the team?
Speaker 2 (11:08):
You didn't let me break that, Like that's one of
those things like right, you.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
Know, you didn't even tell me let alone let me
break down or whatever, and uh and he's like, yeah, no.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
I'm putting out a statement. This is absolute. You know,
this is a joke. Somebody and Steve you know how
he is. He's good natured about it earlier. But there's
a lot of.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Stuff in here that it is attributing malicious quotes to people. Uh,
and people are believing it, Like they're they're in the
comments section, they're they're believing it. Somebody said that the
latest one is that Devon Vley and I'm quoting here
donated his five million dollars signing. And I'm like, Donald
Devon Vailey's entire four year contractors were four point one day.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
He's a seventh round draft. You can get a five
million dollars one hundred and four k. Like, I don't know,
I don't know what to do.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
And then it has quotes from Cooper Degene in there,
and I'm like, Cooper isn't a Bronco.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
How would you know? What would that? So it's I
don't know.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
I just I thought it was fascinating, And I didn't
know if you guys were dealing with as much as
I seem to be these days.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
For no reason.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
No, they and they all legit And there's so many
scams out there, and I think all of us get
a couple of week either via text or email, and
they look legit. I could see why people would get
fooled by it. And you know, they just throw somebody
out there. They're hoping one person will bite if they're
waiting for that one guy that's going to bite on it.
And you know the most vulnerable are you know, old
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people like my mom for instance, she calls me almost
every week.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
Does she online or one?
Speaker 3 (12:28):
No, but she's got a cell phone, and so they text,
they text her and then she'll call me and ask me,
you know, I just was, you know, told up my
insurance ran out and if I don't, if I don't
renew it right now, you know, I'm at risk for whatever.
And I just say, don't respond to any of that stuff.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Yeah. My mom gets the one of the I R
S ones.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Yeah, yeah, and she responded to one one time, like
and you know, and she's like, this is so weird,
the I R S one's Apple gift cards.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
And I'm like, mom, in real time right now, Mommy,
they see, Yeah, I don't know. Anyway, we got to
hit a break here. We come back. We'll get back
into Broncos Doctors's to k with Sports or Ryan at Whard's,
Dave Logan and Rick Lewis.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Here's gotta blame it on the Baso Nova name man
on the Bustle.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
No, which are you gonna is?
Speaker 1 (13:20):
The Rickolus Project gonna do that song when I'm When
I'm out there on Friday.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
We'll do a Girl from Me Panima and we'll we'll
sing it to you. Get after here. He's gonna cover
the Girl from.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
That.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
They can do it, Dave knows. Oh yeah, they've seen us. Okay,
Uh yeah, our singer is fantastic. You could you could
call that out, but we could jump right into that.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Don't You don't tell with a good time because you
know I would do something like that.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
But yeah, if you come out, we have a show
week from tonight.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
Yeah, Buffalo Rose June thirteenth, ticketed show. Rick Lewis Project
in uh Little Moses Jones Band. Now you know that's
gonna be good.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Really cool hip hop funk band.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
They do all the early two thousand like hip hop stuff,
Biggie and all that stuff.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Might shout some stuff at them.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
Get your tickets at Buffalosgolden dot com.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
We'll see you next Friday night, Buffalo Rosegolden dot com.
And you may be coming. You said as a guest.
I will be there. I will definitely be there. So
love to have you. I did.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
I missed. I was gonna go to your show down
there in Parker and I got sick. That was a
while back. That was a great No I heard it
was great, but I didn't get just to get on there,
so I felt bad. I tried to get to at
least one Riclose project person.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Appreciate it, appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
We were talking about Sergio Mendez and Brazil sixty six
during the break as we were talking about Girl from
Meepanima and and like you, I don't know why I
remember that guy, Sergio Mendez.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Yeah, in Brazil six they had huge hits. What songs
did they do? Oh?
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Man, uh Muscanada, Maga, Lena.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
I don't remember that, Margarine, No, Helena, The Fool on
the Hill? You remember that?
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Oh the Fool in the Hill was that was probably
their biggest, the biggest love.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
Never gonna let you go.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
I'm trying to remember I normally I'm fairly en psyclopedic
with this, but I'm struggling for you.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
If you played it, I would know it was there,
but I can't name one.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
The Fool in the hill was maybe their biggest's true?
Do you remember that?
Speaker 1 (15:22):
Yeah, I'm trying to remember. Some other said, Man, I'm
blanking right now. I feel bad. Normally, Rick, I'm normally
I can usually pretty good at that. Normally I could
string together a few here, But that's that's not really
my I think. Uh, you guys on Pro Football Focus
and you can tell that who wrote this one on
ranked Patzertan as the U league second best corner, trailing
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Sauce Gardener. Do we think that the argument for the
title of league's best corner is still up for debate?
Speaker 2 (15:52):
And is Sauce Gardener really the best corner in the leaf? No?
I do not believe he is.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
I think you you could look at the Defensive Player
of the Year voting last year if you wanted, I mean,
some some sort of confirmation. Sauce is a really talented player.
But I don't think he's a better player than Pat
and he I think Pat. I think Pat is better,
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a little bit better in every single important sort of
phase of what a what a corner or what a
great corner looks like, and how he plays. Pat's bigger,
if he's not faster, He's the same speed. Sauce can
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really run, so can Pat. I think Pat is a
much more physical corner. I think Sauce guesses. I mean
all great corners guests a little, but they but but
they are educated guests guesses.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
So I'm not I'm not.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
Throwing shade at Sauce because I think I think he's
a hell of a young player. I just think patzer
tan Is is better.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Do you have a better memory for this than I do?
Speaker 3 (17:10):
But when we played the Jets last year, I thought
Sauce didn't have a good game that day. I remember,
I wasn't all that impressed with him that day. He
might have got called on on a PI or two.
He's real gravvy. Yeah, you know when you watch he
is handsy, very hand for sure.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
And I think that.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
I mean, it was such a it was such a
defensive struggle.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
I mean both defense. You can look at it one
or two ways.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Either both defenses really played pretty well or both offenses
were just awful. But I mean, you remember the Broncos.
I mean that was the game the bow knicks three.
His first touchdown pass to Cortland sudden. But it was
a low scoring game, and it was a game that
was decided on some big plays in the defensive side.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
He allowed a ninety five point eight quarterback rating on
targets throone against him that that game, So that's a
pretty good quarterback rating. So he did not not his
best day. You are correcting your recollections there.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
I seem to remember I was interested in watching him
because of his reputation, and I didn't come away impressed.
But it was a really rainy day, rain the entire game,
and bon Nix didn't play well, and you neither did
Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
The kickers. What's the final seventeen fourteen You remember the
missed field goal? Traded missed field goals?
Speaker 5 (18:28):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (18:28):
Yeah, yeah at the end, by the way.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
Broncos had a chance, right, and then the Jets come
back and and miss Yeah. I want to say, I
want to say there was a forty something yarder, yeah,
for the win. I'd have to go back and look,
I don't remember the exact number. I just remember I
was watching it with a Ferg and I were doing
the Orange Blue brunch and were watching that.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
We're sitting there were like oh no, and then oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
You know the elation that happens after that By the way,
the forty times Sauces four four one certainably was four
four six.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Okay, so roughly the same, A little little fractional was
a little bigger like Dave is bigger, much sager, bigger body. Yeah,
a bigger stronger.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
May not be faster, but definitely bigger in uh uh
in stronger as far as that.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
Kind of stuff goes.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
But I mean, is there is there a reason to
rank Sauce like I other than a lot of the
voters being from New York or something like. I can't
figure out how statistically he wasn't even as accomplished. They
had roughly the same targets last year, and Sauce had
one interception.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
That's less I think. I think that, I mean, Sauce.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
Had a had a really good rookie season, right, But
if you think about the Jets came to Denver h
in his rookie season, and he got away late in
that game with two what I thought could have and should.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Have been called as as Pi's.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
In fact, right at the end of the game, he
got tangled up with with Courtland Sutton in the end
zone trying to remember there was a two point conversion
to tie it. Or was it the touchdown to win it?
Speaker 2 (19:52):
But to me, there was clearly.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
Pass interference on Sauce Gardener late in that game.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
So I think once you.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
Develop for reputation in the league, and I think I
think playing on the East Coast, playing in New York
helps you to tell you the truth with the exposure.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
But once you develop the reputation of being a really.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
Good player, and I think he is, I'm not I'm
not saying he's not, but you're going to get away
with with some things that other corners don't like.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
I think he's a great player, but I'm not sure.
I wouldn't write Stanley over him, much less Certan Singley's
got great hands.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Stanley at the balls in his area, He's going to
catch the ball.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
So I mean, I just I don't know. I mean,
I looking at that thing. I mean, I think there's
a couple of corners I'd put over Gardner, but much
less putting Gardner over Patsertan that just feels, uh, feels
good with it. Then you know, you get these these
weird voters out there that won't you don't want to
vote for Shay Gilda Alexander over to Kohliyokichen.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
You know whatever, I had to.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
I had to get that sauce garter like the shot,
because he does that, he's grabby. He gets away with
it the same way like uh, you know, like Shay Gilds.
Alexander is a bit of a foul merchant. You know,
he's out there foul grifting, which is part of the game,
I guess, yeah, but it's an annoying part.
Speaker 4 (21:02):
Of the game.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
I can't I would have voted for a joker, but
I can't. I can't slight Sga.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
He's great.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
I think he's a great young player. Missed a shot
last night though, that he needed. When you're a corner
and you have a reputation of being grabby, that probably
doesn't work out in the long run, right, They're going
to watch you more closely. And Gardner's that guy, and
he's been that guy since I think it's first year.
But they also they also give you grace if you've
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got a reputation, which is.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Because you're a great player.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
Okay, if you're grabby and you're not good, then you're okay.
I mean officials, officials, I mean they they know who's
rated who's not, and so when you have a great,
great player, I mean, he may get the benefit of
a doubt on any given call because it's it's Sauce
(21:56):
Gardner or it's pats Ertan, where as maybe some of
the other corners might not.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
Sometimes there are other aspects I think of the league
where you get away with things for a time while
you're a certain level of player, and then you don't.
And you can look at Vante's perfect or if you
want to bring it closer to home, Kareem Jackson. Jackson
was a hitter or his whole career, but the rules
and he started getting flagged for it there at the end,
you know, and.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
That was that was sort of the thing.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
I think there are almost that but I like and
I think Sga is a great player.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
I do loved him since he's been in the league.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
But that foul drifting portion of it, Like, it's so
frustrating to watch because you're like, Okay, everybody knows what's
happening here. How do we take this part out of
the game without taking away from the game.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
Yeah, I mean he's he's good at drawing fouls.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
I don't particularly care to watch it, but if you
go back and look at the numbers. The numbers in
terms of how many times he goes to the free
throw line with some of the other great scores in
the league, those numbers do not support the idea that
that you know, he's a free throw free throw merchant.
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He does have an ability, and so do most great
scores of creating contact, leaning in knowing when you try
to arm bar him from the basket, knowing how to
get underneath that and then draw the contact. He's really
crafty in that regard.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
And I.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
He didn't get a couple of calls last night that
he let him play he's known to get.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
But yeah, I have I would have voted for you.
I don't have a vote.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
But I also can't really find great fault that SGA
won it.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
And it's weird that I hate him doing that because
I'm show that guy when you know Rickley pick up
games like I'm foul grifting, like I am trying to
I'm trying to get to the line. There's no there's
no official though, right, you call your own, but I
mean I'm trying to. You know, I'm trying to get
a teammate to call it. You know, I'm trying to
flailing and flopping and do it. You know, let's say
I'm putting on Oscar worthy performance with you know, with
how hard I'm getting hit on that because I'm not flooring.
I'm I can't, don't. I'm not Rick Lewis here. I
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don't have those kinds.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Right, you mentioned Montez Verfect.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
That was gave me a little bit of a flashback,
and I was wondering, what is he doing?
Speaker 2 (24:08):
Now?
Speaker 3 (24:08):
What do you do with all of that anger and
aggression when you're no longer playing football?
Speaker 2 (24:14):
He's a sports talk show host in Phoenix? Is he really?
Is he really? Because I thought he was doing like
MMA or something. No, I don't know what he's doing.
That's what you do with the anger, become a sports Okay.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
I just looking at his wiki. Well here's what you
do with that anger. It looks like in twenty twenty
he was arrested for misdemeanor battery outside of a casino
in Vegas. So yeah, but that's an honest question I
have because you know those guys. We all know those guys,
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and all of a sudden that goes away. You don't
have an outlet for that type of aggression. I don't
know what you do with all that. I mean, do
you have to do they have to medicate you to
kind of get you to calm down.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
A little bit? What he what is monte perfect? Are
you talking about? What the post?
Speaker 3 (25:06):
Like the post NFL guys that were the angry aggressive kind.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Of that guy and he became it. You know, first
it was shown Nick was a bit of a hitter.
He flipped over a gamery table. He must have some therapy.
I bet you Nick went through something. He seems like
a pretty I mean he's always a calm and child now,
but he's really hitter. He's the nicest guy to play
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therapy that in the cave. Oh okay, let's let's ask
Dave here.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
I mean when you got out of the I mean
you were on the offensive side of the ball, But
when you got out of the league, I mean, what
did you do with that?
Speaker 2 (25:44):
What is that what you gravitated toward me? I didn't,
I mean the way Rick's describing it, I didn't have
any like temper.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
I have a temper, but I didn't have any temper problems. Now,
I mean, you live and learn. You don't get his
you know, you can't. There's things you could do back
then that you cannot do now right every now and
then it was it was just a good old fashioned
scrape or two that was that was Okay. Now you
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can't be you can't be fighting guys because there's weapons involved,
and you can literally, I mean really, you can get
yourself killed. I'd like, did you pick up another contact sport?
Are you boxed a little bit?
Speaker 4 (26:30):
Right? It?
Speaker 3 (26:30):
Box is a kid. I fought in golden golden gloves
as a kid. I mean, workout, workout hard. I've always
been a workout guy that kind of clears your head
a little bit. And I think just as you, uh
become a little more seasoned, you might lose a little
bit of the a little bit of the edge. I
think though, part of it is that that whole world
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is so uber competitive. It just I mean, it reads
that kind of like maniacal, like what are we going
to do to find a way to win this game?
Anything short of like we will kill you to do that.
And so you've got to I think once you get
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out of that, you've got to you've got to kind
of camp it down a little bit. But just Perfect
is only thirty four years old. He's got a long
life ahead of him. He probably he's outlet. He might
have made He might honestly, he might have made enough
money that he doesn't really have to do much if
he was Smart's money, right. Yeah, probably hasn't enough money.
But I have an outlet for him, Masha.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
I've got a heavy bag. Yeah, I got a heavy
bag in my basement.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
So give him sixteen outs like that and assault the
hell out of that heavy bag.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
I've done that. I do that periodically. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
He made thirty three million over the course of his career,
so he would hold money perfect made thirty three.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
Million dollars him. It was a Pro Bowl, yeah, a
couple of years.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
He finished as last year was twenty nineteen with the Raiders,
and he thought that he was going to continue his
career because I remember him giving interviews in twenty twenty
and stuff.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
But nobody ever, nobody ever picked him up after that
kind of stuff. Have you ever been in a mosh pit? Yeah?
Oh yeah. Do you ever get a big guy like
that in a mosh pit?
Speaker 1 (28:16):
I mean I've seen that. Yeah, there's plenty of those guys.
And then I'm sitting there like, well, buddy, I'm gonna
be honest with you, the physics aren't going to work here.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Yeah, yeah, I believe.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
I've got a friend who played in the NFL, and
Dave knows him, you know too, And he goes into
mosh pits and he's a three hundred pound dude.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Oh I know he's yeah, yeah, yeah, and that's his thing.
Good for me, that's his outlet, mosh pit, you know.
I mean, yeah, I you know, I like that. I listen.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
Sometimes I really believe this within within the confines of
not on the street, but sometimes guys like I mean,
when you've sort of lived in that environment, you have
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to engage in some sort of like hand to hand
combat absout, whether it's you know, hitting a heavy bag
or really I mean, you're working out hard. You know,
you have to have challenges. You got to have something
competitive that you can focus on and say, okay, I'm
going after that. And so, you know, I don't know
vontez perfect. It would be interesting to find out really
(29:29):
what he's doing. I'm curious. I'm gonna find out the show.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
Well, I'm I sent out a text, but we'll see
if I can get somebody to get back to what
he's doing right now, I'm genuinely curious. But yeah, yeah,
I like that too, because getting out of the military
was sort of I mean, not exactly the same way,
because the competition angle isn't isn't the same, But there
is sort of a mentality there that you're you know,
and you.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
Need something to fill that void, like you do.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
I needed something to fill that void, and it was
a combination of kickboxing and gambling, which probably not the
two healthiest habits, but you know, I mean it was
it was something I needed the I needed the adrenaline
aggression on the one hand, and then I needed the
that's the constant up on the other.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
I've dout a lot of that. I mean, we make
jokes about it. I doubt a lot of that back.
You know.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
I don't kickbox anymore, for sure, and I'm gambling. I
don't do it as much anymore, although I still do
it quite a bit, but I you know, I mean,
I'm not sitting there chasing live lines and betting horses
like I was, you know, all that kind of stuff,
But it's it's, you know, you do there is some
kind of Yeah, there's some sort of outlets that you
and I'm always curious about what that is for you know,
for athletes as well, because there's, like I said, there's
a competition aspect of it that you don't have that
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in the military. But it's free to core too. Like
that locker room you got to replace anti like where's
your locker room? Now, where's your your band of brothers,
where's your you know, whatever that is in that case,
and so you know, finding those things, I think it'd
be great.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
That's why I like what Sean Merriman has done.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
He started the m m A thing, the Lights Out
m m A for former former athletes to come in
and you can at whatever level you feel comfortable, you
can go in there and and if you want to
join the competitions and be part of the thing, whatever,
if you just want to practice, whatever. And I think
that's a great. A listener just texted Greg Hardy. Greg
Hardy's going to prison. He just kind of rescued from
like yesterday. Well you remember he hit his uh former
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girl out here in Colorado.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
I know what. The prosecutors couldn't get to her.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
He got into m m A and all that, and
I believe he just got arrested this week for something else,
some sort of violent.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
It was a domestic altercation. Yeah. Yeah, And he's finally,
I think.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
Gonna get what he deserves because he I know a
lot more about that original story with his girl that
was out here in Colorado, and I don't want to
talk about it on the air because you know whatever,
but he was.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
He deserves everything that's coming to him. I'll leave I'll
leave that at that.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
We got a lot more to get to here on
KOA Sports. Benjamin all Right, Rick Luis, Dave Logan, sax
Sigger's back there as well.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
We'll be back after this
And here's a Segers back there behind the glass. Five
six six nine zero is the text line. Did you
ever figure out if they had that place local, because
now I want to I want to.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Do your transfer.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
I'm looking for that. I forgot the name of it,
but they did have one in Arvada. I went to
the one at Sidona, which is a healing center. Anyway,
you have been to Sedona, I mean I've been there. Yeah,
a lot of vortex's there, these healing bortex is there.
So I went to Sedona, but I know they had
won it in Arvada at the time. They had like
a franchise around the country.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
The Now I'm curious. My curiosity's peach, so I want
to try to cool man, it's pretty cool. I'm getting
in a casket until it's my time, and then I
won't know.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Just say, I have no interest in jumping in the
casket like on my own and alive.
Speaker 4 (00:46):
Say.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Cast was like, somebody bite you on the neck before
they put you in.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Yeah, and they told me after they said, we didn't
want to tell you what it's going to be like,
because that's the experience. Whatever the experience is for you,
that's the healing process, and they said for you, what
are you trying to heal from pneumonia at the time? Actually, oh,
and he thought it would be good for me to
do that. I'm talking about Michael beckwith and so that's
(01:10):
why I went, did you get out and not have pneumonia?
I felt a lot better, I really did. Like I
saw Jesus in there, Dave. Jesus was in this box
with me for real. Okay, no drugs. I took no drugs, David, this.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Is another one. He's not by it. I'm never I
never go Dave.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
I'm never gonna dispute Jesus ever ever.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
I'm just not didn't you say you sign? Damn it?
You sign? Yeah? The box wasn't big enough for two.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Otherwise I'd go in there with you and hold your hand. No, no, no,
but you ain't getting it.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Not big enough for the two of us, that's for sure.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Let's us for the hotline and bring on the cosmidor
from actual wondering what he into it?
Speaker 2 (01:55):
This boy, Nick? How you doing money?
Speaker 5 (01:57):
I'm doing great.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
You jumping in the casket before your time to for healing?
Speaker 4 (02:02):
You know, it's funny.
Speaker 5 (02:03):
I just I was just watching my.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
Kids six ers, all these in all these mister Beast
videos the other day and he's watching one where.
Speaker 5 (02:09):
The dude basically sits in a in.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
A air climate controlled coffin and gets buried alive for
for seven hours, for seven days. I think, yeah, I'm
not I'm not using that for seven minutes.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
I'm out. I'm out on all that. Yeah, involved with you?
Seven days? No? How much money?
Speaker 5 (02:26):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Seven?
Speaker 5 (02:29):
Well, yeah, twenty bucks?
Speaker 4 (02:31):
I think, Well it was it was the guy like
he's doing it just just to do it, which is
obviously insane.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Yeah, that's a let me think about No. Uh so, Nick,
Game one last night. You've covered the NBA for a
long time in the NFL. I know you're a hoops fan.
What what did you What did you think of how
Game one played out?
Speaker 4 (02:52):
You know, I just think that we we've had you know,
teams before that that thrives in the clutch and that
you just know in those moments you're gonna get, you know, poised,
you're gonna get like just just tenacity in terms of
not letting go of the rope. But the Pacers are
rewriting that to a degree that I've just never seen,
like the inevitability of a team being downed by fifteen
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or sixteen points. And I know this version of the NBA,
it's not as insurmountable as it once was. But just
that's the word I keep thinking about the Pacers is
they have this inevitability that they're in games they have
no business winning, and one way or another, they get
to a situation which Tyres Haliburton is giving you a
chance to win the game in the final seconds. Like
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it really is remarkable and to the point where you
just think maybe they really are some sort of you
talked about Jesus in the box, may maybe there's some
sort of destiny involved.
Speaker 5 (03:46):
In this team.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
But yeah, that was kind of what just kept going
through my mind. When they're down nine with a couple
of minutes to go, and you know that first three
goes in, You're just like, here we go again, because
they've just kept doing it.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Nick, as we look at where this thing could go
from here, I mean, it's it's one of those they
were Okay, so he was a have you favorite.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
A Day's pointed out several times going to this thing.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Do you believe in Indiana or is this just a
one off that they caught him looking on the first.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
Game, Well, it is interesting, like it really was sort
of almost like a carbon copy of Game one of
the Western Conference Finals, right the Nuggets were down, you know,
double digits for almost the entirety of that game, barely
ever led.
Speaker 5 (04:29):
And then low and behold the last couple of minutes.
Speaker 4 (04:32):
You know, you say, how did they get to that
point where they had a chance to win the game
in the final shot and Aaron Gordon of course made
that shot. And what did the Thunder turn around and
do the next game? They crushed the Nuggets by like
forty points. So I think that they are such a
good and well rounded basketball team that I really don't
doubt their response. Of course, being in the finals and
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having it happen on that stage is different, But I
just think we've so consistently seen the response from them,
and when you're a team that goes in and you
win game game one on the road, it's hard to
conjure that same to that or that that sort of
same urgency at home h to to be on the
road and try to make it two oh in your favor.
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And obviously Haliburton, you heard them afterwards saying like we.
Speaker 5 (05:16):
Got to get greedy.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
Now, that's that's so so important. But but again, I
just think that that's going to be based on the
way we've seen the Thunder respond and their defensive.
Speaker 5 (05:25):
Length and all those kinds of things.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
I don't I.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
Don't really doubt that they're going to respond. But again,
I just think that with the Pacers, you are never
out of a game, so pushing them away is not
going to be easy for the Thunder.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
Nick, that's just put a whole lot of pressure on
the Thunder loosing the first game at home, especially the
way they did it. And my question for you is
Cheed Holmgren, what happened? Six points?
Speaker 4 (05:48):
Yeah, yeah, Again, it's just you. You talk about guys
in this, in this, in this, I'm sorry, I mean
to catch you off. I I think it's just again,
you're having young players who are kind of getting into
this for the for the first time. And you know,
I think I saw some of that in the Nuggets run,
even though they won the finals obviously in five games,
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you're kind of in some of those early moments. You
saw it with a guy like Michael Porter Junior, who
was having a really good playoffs there in twenty twenty three.
Speaker 5 (06:16):
But then gets to the finals and at times.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
The stage is just a little bit a little bit bigger,
everything is magnified. I don't doubt that he'll kind of
respond to that and again with a thunder. They just
have so many different bodies that they can throw at
you defensively, where everybody's ultimately going to get there, going
to get their opportunity. So I think we're in for
a great series.
Speaker 5 (06:37):
I really do.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
And I love the way that Indiana thought back to
kind of make sure that you know, we had the
table set to have that kind of opportunity in this series.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
Next, speaking of the Nuggets, I'm on record as saying
I will be surprised if Michael Porter Junior is back. Now.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
I know that salaries have to match up.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
I understand that, and I'm quite certain the Nuggets are
not going to give him away, But I really think they're.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Going to make a move with him.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
I'm just not exactly certain as to who in return.
Do you think the core group of the Nuggets comes
back intact or do you think one or more of
that core group may in fact be elsewhere next year?
Speaker 4 (07:23):
Well, I'm I'm with you, Dave that I think they
are absolutely going to explore the opportunity to get something
in exchange for Michael Porter Junior and sort of reconstruct
the way that they view building a team around Nikola Jokicic, right,
whether that's whether that is you know, getting more draft
capital so that you can actually, you know, have an
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opportunity to take a couple more swings in the draft
on some guys with some serious subside, you know, whether
that's the route they go and say, hey, by a
couple of years from now, at the end of Nikola
Yokich's window, we have to make sure that we have
another bona fide star player next to him, you know,
because that's not.
Speaker 5 (08:02):
Who Porter is.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
He's a role player who obviously got paid like a
star player, and that is what it is at this point.
But I do think that they have to do something
to shake it up, and it's going to be interesting. Obviously,
do they stay in house to fill the general manager role?
Do they go outside? I think this organization from a
front office perspective, is in need of some fresh thinking,
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and so they got to get that done first, and
then we can maybe have a little bit of a
better idea of like what the philosophy is going to
be in terms of how you properly build a team
around Nikole Yokic. I mean, ideally Porter when he's on
is that guy because of the way that he spaces the.
Speaker 5 (08:39):
Floor, because of his ability to rebound the basketball.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
But again, the consistency of it has just not been there,
and I think you really do have to get inventive
when you're talking about this Thunder team's not going anywhere.
You have other teams in the West, like the Rockets, that.
Speaker 5 (08:52):
Are young and they're just going to I think have.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
To be a little bit creative in terms of how
they view the next phase of building into you know, the.
Speaker 5 (09:00):
Next part of Yokic's prime.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Nick, we appreciate time as always. Brother, all right, thank you,
thank you, Thanks Nick.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Blocks, Dave Logan, Rick Lewis, zach se Hears back there
producing five six six nine zero, uh is the text line.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
I see a bunch of these.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
I don't know if you guys see this stuff on
social media, but on Facebook lately there are all these
these Broncos fan groups that are posting all these just
ridiculous fake stories.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Have you guys seen this stuff?
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Aaron Rodgers signing with the Broncos Steve Atwater joining the
team as a coach. Uh, fake quotes knew I knew
that would fake fake quotes from Sean Payton on Pride
Month today like all this Like is this? I don't
know if you guy knew anything about this? Yes, Steve
had to actually Steve had to put a public statement
out to refute it.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Wow. But these it's it's something and is it AI
generated stuff? I don't know.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
It's some scam website fire byline dot net.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
But uh, it's some scam website.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
But it's posting it all all these Broncos groups, and
these groups have thousands and thousands of followers, and it's
coming across my Facebook feed and I see it and
I'm like and then people get ask me about it.
I get asked about this stuff all the time. And
they started, They're like, whoa, what is this? Why didn't
you report this? What is this happening?
Speaker 2 (10:13):
I thought Rogers Jordan the Steelers, and I'm like, yeah,
he is. But so keep your head on a swivel, man.
So not everything you read on the internet is true.
That's quote, that's what you're trying to say. Quote from
Abraham Lincoln.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
That's good to know, because I typically believe everything I
read on the Internet.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
I found it fascinating. How how prevalent this is not?
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Perhaps it is AI generated stuff, you know, to drive
something to a URL to boost the traffic and then
it gets better ranked in Google.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
That kind of stuff.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
I don't know, but I just did something cross my
mind that I wanted to see if you guys were
dealing with as much of it as I do.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
Steve that water thing, I did have to look twice
at him, like, wait a minute, I think I would
have First of all, I think I would have heard
that I had just seen Steve who was on the
Broncos Ring of Fame committee with me. But it did,
I mean it was it looked legit. Yeah, if you
were a second And then I said, there's no way.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
Well I texted him because I was like, dude, how
did you not you joined the team?
Speaker 2 (11:08):
You didn't let me break that, Like that's one of
those things like right, you.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
Know, you didn't even tell me let alone let me
break down or whatever, and uh and he's like, yeah, no.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
I'm putting out a statement. This is absolute. You know,
this is a joke. Somebody and Steve you know how
he is. He's good natured about it earlier. But there's
a lot of.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Stuff in here that it is attributing malicious quotes to people. Uh,
and people are believing it, Like they're they're in the
comments section, they're they're believing it. Somebody said that the
latest one is that Devon Vley and I'm quoting here
donated his five million dollars signing. And I'm like, Donald
Devon Vailey's entire four year contractors were four point one day.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
He's a seventh round draft. You can get a five
million dollars one hundred and four k. Like, I don't know,
I don't know what to do.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
And then it has quotes from Cooper Degene in there,
and I'm like, Cooper isn't a Bronco.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
How would you know? What would that? So it's I
don't know.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
I just I thought it was fascinating, And I didn't
know if you guys were dealing with as much as
I seem to be these days.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
For no reason.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
No, they and they all legit And there's so many
scams out there, and I think all of us get
a couple of week either via text or email, and
they look legit. I could see why people would get
fooled by it. And you know, they just throw somebody
out there. They're hoping one person will bite if they're
waiting for that one guy that's going to bite on it.
And you know the most vulnerable are you know, old
(12:23):
people like my mom for instance, she calls me almost
every week.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
Does she online or one?
Speaker 3 (12:28):
No, but she's got a cell phone, and so they text,
they text her and then she'll call me and ask me,
you know, I just was, you know, told up my
insurance ran out and if I don't, if I don't
renew it right now, you know, I'm at risk for whatever.
And I just say, don't respond to any of that stuff.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Yeah. My mom gets the one of the I R
S ones.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Yeah, yeah, and she responded to one one time, like
and you know, and she's like, this is so weird,
the I R S one's Apple gift cards.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
And I'm like, mom, in real time right now, Mommy,
they see, Yeah, I don't know. Anyway, we got to
hit a break here. We come back. We'll get back
into Broncos Doctors's to k with Sports or Ryan at Whard's,
Dave Logan and Rick Lewis.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Here's gotta blame it on the Baso Nova name man
on the Bustle.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
No, which are you gonna is?
Speaker 1 (13:20):
The Rickolus Project gonna do that song when I'm When
I'm out there on Friday.
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We'll do a Girl from Me Panima and we'll we'll
sing it to you. Get after here. He's gonna cover
the Girl from.
Speaker 4 (13:33):
That.
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They can do it, Dave knows. Oh yeah, they've seen us. Okay,
Uh yeah, our singer is fantastic. You could you could
call that out, but we could jump right into that.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Don't You don't tell with a good time because you
know I would do something like that.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
But yeah, if you come out, we have a show
week from tonight.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
Yeah, Buffalo Rose June thirteenth, ticketed show. Rick Lewis Project
in uh Little Moses Jones Band. Now you know that's
gonna be good.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Really cool hip hop funk band.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
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Biggie and all that stuff.
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Speaker 2 (14:11):
We'll see you next Friday night, Buffalo Rosegolden dot com.
And you may be coming. You said as a guest.
I will be there. I will definitely be there. So
love to have you. I did.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
I missed. I was gonna go to your show down
there in Parker and I got sick. That was a
while back. That was a great No I heard it
was great, but I didn't get just to get on there,
so I felt bad. I tried to get to at
least one Riclose project person.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Appreciate it, appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
We were talking about Sergio Mendez and Brazil sixty six
during the break as we were talking about Girl from
Meepanima and and like you, I don't know why I
remember that guy, Sergio Mendez.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Yeah, in Brazil six they had huge hits. What songs
did they do? Oh?
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Man, uh Muscanada, Maga, Lena.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
I don't remember that, Margarine, No, Helena, The Fool on
the Hill? You remember that?
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Oh the Fool in the Hill was that was probably
their biggest, the biggest love.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
Never gonna let you go.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
I'm trying to remember I normally I'm fairly en psyclopedic
with this, but I'm struggling for you.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
If you played it, I would know it was there,
but I can't name one.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
The Fool in the hill was maybe their biggest's true?
Do you remember that?
Speaker 1 (15:22):
Yeah, I'm trying to remember. Some other said, Man, I'm
blanking right now. I feel bad. Normally, Rick, I'm normally
I can usually pretty good at that. Normally I could
string together a few here, But that's that's not really
my I think. Uh, you guys on Pro Football Focus
and you can tell that who wrote this one on
ranked Patzertan as the U league second best corner, trailing
(15:45):
Sauce Gardener. Do we think that the argument for the
title of league's best corner is still up for debate?
Speaker 2 (15:52):
And is Sauce Gardener really the best corner in the leaf? No?
I do not believe he is.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
I think you you could look at the Defensive Player
of the Year voting last year if you wanted, I mean,
some some sort of confirmation. Sauce is a really talented player.
But I don't think he's a better player than Pat
and he I think Pat. I think Pat is better,
(16:26):
a little bit better in every single important sort of
phase of what a what a corner or what a
great corner looks like, and how he plays. Pat's bigger,
if he's not faster, He's the same speed. Sauce can
(16:46):
really run, so can Pat. I think Pat is a
much more physical corner. I think Sauce guesses. I mean
all great corners guests a little, but they but but
they are educated guests guesses.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
So I'm not I'm not.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
Throwing shade at Sauce because I think I think he's
a hell of a young player. I just think patzer
tan Is is better.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Do you have a better memory for this than I do?
Speaker 3 (17:10):
But when we played the Jets last year, I thought
Sauce didn't have a good game that day. I remember,
I wasn't all that impressed with him that day. He
might have got called on on a PI or two.
He's real gravvy. Yeah, you know when you watch he
is handsy, very hand for sure.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
And I think that.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
I mean, it was such a it was such a
defensive struggle.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
I mean both defense. You can look at it one
or two ways.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Either both defenses really played pretty well or both offenses
were just awful. But I mean, you remember the Broncos.
I mean that was the game the bow knicks three.
His first touchdown pass to Cortland sudden. But it was
a low scoring game, and it was a game that
was decided on some big plays in the defensive side.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
He allowed a ninety five point eight quarterback rating on
targets throone against him that that game, So that's a
pretty good quarterback rating. So he did not not his
best day. You are correcting your recollections there.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
I seem to remember I was interested in watching him
because of his reputation, and I didn't come away impressed.
But it was a really rainy day, rain the entire game,
and bon Nix didn't play well, and you neither did
Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
The kickers. What's the final seventeen fourteen You remember the
missed field goal? Traded missed field goals?
Speaker 5 (18:28):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (18:28):
Yeah, yeah at the end, by the way.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
Broncos had a chance, right, and then the Jets come
back and and miss Yeah. I want to say, I
want to say there was a forty something yarder, yeah,
for the win. I'd have to go back and look,
I don't remember the exact number. I just remember I
was watching it with a Ferg and I were doing
the Orange Blue brunch and were watching that.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
We're sitting there were like oh no, and then oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
You know the elation that happens after that By the way,
the forty times Sauces four four one certainably was four
four six.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Okay, so roughly the same, A little little fractional was
a little bigger like Dave is bigger, much sager, bigger body. Yeah,
a bigger stronger.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
May not be faster, but definitely bigger in uh uh
in stronger as far as that.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
Kind of stuff goes.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
But I mean, is there is there a reason to
rank Sauce like I other than a lot of the
voters being from New York or something like. I can't
figure out how statistically he wasn't even as accomplished. They
had roughly the same targets last year, and Sauce had
one interception.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
That's less I think. I think that, I mean, Sauce.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
Had a had a really good rookie season, right, But
if you think about the Jets came to Denver h
in his rookie season, and he got away late in
that game with two what I thought could have and should.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Have been called as as Pi's.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
In fact, right at the end of the game, he
got tangled up with with Courtland Sutton in the end
zone trying to remember there was a two point conversion
to tie it. Or was it the touchdown to win it?
Speaker 2 (19:52):
But to me, there was clearly.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
Pass interference on Sauce Gardener late in that game.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
So I think once you.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
Develop for reputation in the league, and I think I
think playing on the East Coast, playing in New York
helps you to tell you the truth with the exposure.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
But once you develop the reputation of being a really.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
Good player, and I think he is, I'm not I'm
not saying he's not, but you're going to get away
with with some things that other corners don't like.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
I think he's a great player, but I'm not sure.
I wouldn't write Stanley over him, much less Certan Singley's
got great hands.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Stanley at the balls in his area, He's going to
catch the ball.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
So I mean, I just I don't know. I mean,
I looking at that thing. I mean, I think there's
a couple of corners I'd put over Gardner, but much
less putting Gardner over Patsertan that just feels, uh, feels
good with it. Then you know, you get these these
weird voters out there that won't you don't want to
vote for Shay Gilda Alexander over to Kohliyokichen.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
You know whatever, I had to.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
I had to get that sauce garter like the shot,
because he does that, he's grabby. He gets away with
it the same way like uh, you know, like Shay Gilds.
Alexander is a bit of a foul merchant. You know,
he's out there foul grifting, which is part of the game,
I guess, yeah, but it's an annoying part.
Speaker 4 (21:02):
Of the game.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
I can't I would have voted for a joker, but
I can't. I can't slight Sga.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
He's great.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
I think he's a great young player. Missed a shot
last night though, that he needed. When you're a corner
and you have a reputation of being grabby, that probably
doesn't work out in the long run, right, They're going
to watch you more closely. And Gardner's that guy, and
he's been that guy since I think it's first year.
But they also they also give you grace if you've
(21:32):
got a reputation, which is.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Because you're a great player.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
Okay, if you're grabby and you're not good, then you're okay.
I mean officials, officials, I mean they they know who's
rated who's not, and so when you have a great,
great player, I mean, he may get the benefit of
a doubt on any given call because it's it's Sauce
(21:56):
Gardner or it's pats Ertan, where as maybe some of
the other corners might not.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
Sometimes there are other aspects I think of the league
where you get away with things for a time while
you're a certain level of player, and then you don't.
And you can look at Vante's perfect or if you
want to bring it closer to home, Kareem Jackson. Jackson
was a hitter or his whole career, but the rules
and he started getting flagged for it there at the end,
you know, and.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
That was that was sort of the thing.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
I think there are almost that but I like and
I think Sga is a great player.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
I do loved him since he's been in the league.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
But that foul drifting portion of it, Like, it's so
frustrating to watch because you're like, Okay, everybody knows what's
happening here. How do we take this part out of
the game without taking away from the game.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
Yeah, I mean he's he's good at drawing fouls.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
I don't particularly care to watch it, but if you
go back and look at the numbers. The numbers in
terms of how many times he goes to the free
throw line with some of the other great scores in
the league, those numbers do not support the idea that
that you know, he's a free throw free throw merchant.
(23:05):
He does have an ability, and so do most great
scores of creating contact, leaning in knowing when you try
to arm bar him from the basket, knowing how to
get underneath that and then draw the contact. He's really
crafty in that regard.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
And I.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
He didn't get a couple of calls last night that
he let him play he's known to get.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
But yeah, I have I would have voted for you.
I don't have a vote.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
But I also can't really find great fault that SGA
won it.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
And it's weird that I hate him doing that because
I'm show that guy when you know Rickley pick up
games like I'm foul grifting, like I am trying to
I'm trying to get to the line. There's no there's
no official though, right, you call your own, but I
mean I'm trying to. You know, I'm trying to get
a teammate to call it. You know, I'm trying to
flailing and flopping and do it. You know, let's say
I'm putting on Oscar worthy performance with you know, with
how hard I'm getting hit on that because I'm not flooring.
I'm I can't, don't. I'm not Rick Lewis here. I
(23:59):
don't have those kinds.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Right, you mentioned Montez Verfect.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
That was gave me a little bit of a flashback,
and I was wondering, what is he doing?
Speaker 2 (24:08):
Now?
Speaker 3 (24:08):
What do you do with all of that anger and
aggression when you're no longer playing football?
Speaker 2 (24:14):
He's a sports talk show host in Phoenix? Is he really?
Is he really? Because I thought he was doing like
MMA or something. No, I don't know what he's doing.
That's what you do with the anger, become a sports Okay.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
I just looking at his wiki. Well here's what you
do with that anger. It looks like in twenty twenty
he was arrested for misdemeanor battery outside of a casino
in Vegas. So yeah, but that's an honest question I
have because you know those guys. We all know those guys,
(24:48):
and all of a sudden that goes away. You don't
have an outlet for that type of aggression. I don't
know what you do with all that. I mean, do
you have to do they have to medicate you to
kind of get you to calm down.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
A little bit? What he what is monte perfect? Are
you talking about? What the post?
Speaker 3 (25:06):
Like the post NFL guys that were the angry aggressive kind.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Of that guy and he became it. You know, first
it was shown Nick was a bit of a hitter.
He flipped over a gamery table. He must have some therapy.
I bet you Nick went through something. He seems like
a pretty I mean he's always a calm and child now,
but he's really hitter. He's the nicest guy to play
(25:34):
therapy that in the cave. Oh okay, let's let's ask
Dave here.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
I mean when you got out of the I mean
you were on the offensive side of the ball, But
when you got out of the league, I mean, what
did you do with that?
Speaker 2 (25:44):
What is that what you gravitated toward me? I didn't,
I mean the way Rick's describing it, I didn't have
any like temper.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
I have a temper, but I didn't have any temper problems. Now,
I mean, you live and learn. You don't get his
you know, you can't. There's things you could do back
then that you cannot do now right every now and
then it was it was just a good old fashioned
scrape or two that was that was Okay. Now you
(26:18):
can't be you can't be fighting guys because there's weapons involved,
and you can literally, I mean really, you can get
yourself killed. I'd like, did you pick up another contact sport?
Are you boxed a little bit?
Speaker 4 (26:30):
Right? It?
Speaker 3 (26:30):
Box is a kid. I fought in golden golden gloves
as a kid. I mean, workout, workout hard. I've always
been a workout guy that kind of clears your head
a little bit. And I think just as you, uh
become a little more seasoned, you might lose a little
bit of the a little bit of the edge. I
think though, part of it is that that whole world
(26:54):
is so uber competitive. It just I mean, it reads
that kind of like maniacal, like what are we going
to do to find a way to win this game?
Anything short of like we will kill you to do that.
And so you've got to I think once you get
(27:14):
out of that, you've got to you've got to kind
of camp it down a little bit. But just Perfect
is only thirty four years old. He's got a long
life ahead of him. He probably he's outlet. He might
have made He might honestly, he might have made enough
money that he doesn't really have to do much if
he was Smart's money, right. Yeah, probably hasn't enough money.
But I have an outlet for him, Masha.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
I've got a heavy bag. Yeah, I got a heavy
bag in my basement.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
So give him sixteen outs like that and assault the
hell out of that heavy bag.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
I've done that. I do that periodically. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
He made thirty three million over the course of his career,
so he would hold money perfect made thirty three.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
Million dollars him. It was a Pro Bowl, yeah, a
couple of years.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
He finished as last year was twenty nineteen with the Raiders,
and he thought that he was going to continue his
career because I remember him giving interviews in twenty twenty
and stuff.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
But nobody ever, nobody ever picked him up after that
kind of stuff. Have you ever been in a mosh pit? Yeah?
Oh yeah. Do you ever get a big guy like
that in a mosh pit?
Speaker 1 (28:16):
I mean I've seen that. Yeah, there's plenty of those guys.
And then I'm sitting there like, well, buddy, I'm gonna
be honest with you, the physics aren't going to work here.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Yeah, yeah, I believe.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
I've got a friend who played in the NFL, and
Dave knows him, you know too, And he goes into
mosh pits and he's a three hundred pound dude.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Oh I know he's yeah, yeah, yeah, and that's his thing.
Good for me, that's his outlet, mosh pit, you know.
I mean, yeah, I you know, I like that. I listen.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
Sometimes I really believe this within within the confines of
not on the street, but sometimes guys like I mean,
when you've sort of lived in that environment, you have
(29:06):
to engage in some sort of like hand to hand
combat absout, whether it's you know, hitting a heavy bag
or really I mean, you're working out hard. You know,
you have to have challenges. You got to have something
competitive that you can focus on and say, okay, I'm
going after that. And so, you know, I don't know
vontez perfect. It would be interesting to find out really
(29:29):
what he's doing. I'm curious. I'm gonna find out the show.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
Well, I'm I sent out a text, but we'll see
if I can get somebody to get back to what
he's doing right now, I'm genuinely curious. But yeah, yeah,
I like that too, because getting out of the military
was sort of I mean, not exactly the same way,
because the competition angle isn't isn't the same, But there
is sort of a mentality there that you're you know,
and you.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
Need something to fill that void, like you do.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
I needed something to fill that void, and it was
a combination of kickboxing and gambling, which probably not the
two healthiest habits, but you know, I mean it was
it was something I needed the I needed the adrenaline
aggression on the one hand, and then I needed the
that's the constant up on the other.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
I've dout a lot of that. I mean, we make
jokes about it. I doubt a lot of that back.
You know.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
I don't kickbox anymore, for sure, and I'm gambling. I
don't do it as much anymore, although I still do
it quite a bit, but I you know, I mean,
I'm not sitting there chasing live lines and betting horses
like I was, you know, all that kind of stuff,
But it's it's, you know, you do there is some
kind of Yeah, there's some sort of outlets that you
and I'm always curious about what that is for you know,
for athletes as well, because there's, like I said, there's
a competition aspect of it that you don't have that
(30:27):
in the military. But it's free to core too. Like
that locker room you got to replace anti like where's
your locker room? Now, where's your your band of brothers,
where's your you know, whatever that is in that case,
and so you know, finding those things, I think it'd
be great.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
That's why I like what Sean Merriman has done.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
He started the m m A thing, the Lights Out
m m A for former former athletes to come in
and you can at whatever level you feel comfortable, you
can go in there and and if you want to
join the competitions and be part of the thing, whatever,
if you just want to practice, whatever. And I think
that's a great. A listener just texted Greg Hardy. Greg
Hardy's going to prison. He just kind of rescued from
like yesterday. Well you remember he hit his uh former
(31:01):
girl out here in Colorado.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
I know what. The prosecutors couldn't get to her.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
He got into m m A and all that, and
I believe he just got arrested this week for something else,
some sort of violent.
Speaker 2 (31:12):
It was a domestic altercation. Yeah. Yeah, And he's finally,
I think.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
Gonna get what he deserves because he I know a
lot more about that original story with his girl that
was out here in Colorado, and I don't want to
talk about it on the air because you know whatever,
but he was.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
He deserves everything that's coming to him. I'll leave I'll
leave that at that.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
We got a lot more to get to here on
KOA Sports. Benjamin all Right, Rick Luis, Dave Logan, sax
Sigger's back there as well.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
We'll be back after this
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