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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Six o'clock tonight five six six nine Zeros a kay
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Comma Spirit Health text line. So we're talking about Shamar
Stewart a moment ago, who's a holdout as a rookie
for the Bengals. Trey Hendrickson also a holdout. They're seen
up there on the screen. Terry McLaurin. I know JJ
or TJ. Watt is also a holdout the Broncos. Meanwhile,
today Mediatry Mini Camp, everybody's showing up. John Bailey wasn't
out there, but it sounds like it was excused, at
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least from the coaching staff side. I think John Franklin
Myers was out there. Are we Why do you think
that is, Dave? Why do you think the Broncos with
several guys as we've noted, Nick Benito, John Franklin Myers,
Zach Allen, Corland Sutton, you know, you know a lot
of guys that all want new contracts. Why do you
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think it is that the Broncos are not experiencing this
a holdout with these guys.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
I think they're smart, the players are smart, and I
think there's a way to negotiate a deal that you
are much more likely to get a deal done, and
that way is not necessarily holding out of camp because
when you do that, now, a guy like Trey Hendrickson,
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you know, he was trying to get a deal done
last year and depending on which side you believe, there
were some promises made a come back, have a year.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
Okay, he came back and had a year.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Seventeen and a half sacks, led the league in sacks,
and now here you sit again.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
So I think that deal will get done.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Who knows how much it's going to be, but I
think with respect to the Broncos, I think a since
Sean got here and George Peyton's been important too, and
I think the Pinner family ownership group has been really
good in this as well. Hey there's ways to do things.
Here's the way we're going to do things. Trying to
do things in a first class manner. And so from
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a player standpoint, you know what you do is if
you hold out of a mandatory mini camp, you you
basically go public with everything, and that's you put the.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Team behind the eight ball. And they hate that.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
They don't like it, and I've seen in instances where
they resent it and then it becomes very personal and
it becomes punitive and things are said and done and.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
It's harder to get a deal. Now.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
I don't know that all those guys you just mentioned
are going to get deals with the Broncos, but I
think I think the way they are going about it
gives them a better chance.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
Yeah, give me Sean Payton for a.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
Thousand guys, because I think that Sean Payton would put
these guys into doghouse. Oh you want to hold out
and you for all of the things that Dave was
talking about. Da Yeah, but I think at the end
of the day, it's like, you're going to do this
to our team. We're trying to get better. We have
like it's not a personal goal right now. Yes, we're
going to try to get you paid. But there's a
right way to do this. And you show up each
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and every day, you bring it, lunch pails of work,
and you take care of business. We will take care
of you. Look at the Broncos this past year, they've
already proved to the whole National Football League. We're going
to take care of our guys with how many guys
what was it eighty six? As far as returning guys
on the roster, so they're already doing such a great job.
For you to hold out, I think it just winds
you in Sean Payton's doghouse, and good luck trying to
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get out of that way.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Sometimes it's as simple as the head coach picking up
the phone and calling a player and just say, look,
we're aware of the fact you want a new deal.
We're hoping to get a new deal done. Here's what
I need from you. I need you to come to camp.
I need you to trust that we're going to do
I don't know if we can get to where you
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want to get to, but you're hearing me say I
want you to trust me that we're going to do
everything we can to get a deal done that is
a good enough deal for you that you like, and
a good enough deal for us we can swallow. And
so sometimes, you know, I've known, I've known head coaches
pick up the phone and you'd be shocked or maybe not.
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That works for players because they don't just like, oh said,
you don't want to be in Sean Payton's doghouse. That's
a big ass house, right, you don't want to be
in that?
Speaker 4 (04:20):
Yeah, I give you also one more right, I mean,
we kind of seen the Broncos transition right over the
last couple of years when when Peyton left you you
saw them have to overpay for guys. Hey, hey, juwan, James,
here you go right, and even a couple of years
ago with Mike mclinchy, like, hey, we're going to make
you the highest paid right tackle, not saying that he
doesn't deserve and not saying any of that, but I
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think that last year you now turn it into a
destination and now it's like, oh man, like we got
that taste of the playoffs and the postseason. I don't
want to hold out. I want to go win football games.
It's more important to win football games than to be
saying one, two, three can coon in the middle of December.
I think what both of you are saying is exactly right.
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First of all, day talking about the communication portion of it,
I do think that that's a big deal.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
And anytime Sean is asked about any of these players,
he almost immediately goes, oh, I've had plenty of conversations
with those players. I've talked to them individually about their situation.
I understand where they're coming from, and certainly his word
means a lot in this conversation, he's at the GM,
but in a lot of ways he functions with the GM,
so I think that the mindset is the same. And
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then to the point that Orlando said, they've shown the ability,
especially this last year, as an example of taking care
of their guys. They got Quinn Miners done, Patzertan done,
Jonathan Cooper for example, goals goals. That's right. They took
care of their guys, their core guys. So a lot
of these players who are viewed in the same fashion,
I imagine they come to camp with the anticipation that, hey,
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this is just an organization that does this thing. Where
you look at some of these other organizations. While you're
talking about the Bengals, maybe not historically the same.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Sitution as you mentioned, there were there was at least one,
and I'll say more than one that was convinced he
was not getting a deal done that had already come
to grips in his own mind that Sean didn't just
wasn't gonna it just wasn't gonna happen, right, gonna right, right, Yeah,
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And all those guys, as you said, got signed.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
I think I know who you're referencing.
Speaker 5 (06:32):
I doubt that oh, really, okay, maybe when we get
off of my doubts, I'll ask as.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
If I know.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
You're right, and and then there's a sense of maybe
you don't know really how the organization feels about you,
other than the fact that that they continue to give
you opportunities and they continue to put you out there,
and and know that that is part of the process.
I know we've gone around and round on on sort
of stacking these guys and who needs to get done
and so on and so forth. It was interesting. Our
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guy Alfred did an interview with Chris Thompson. He said
Nick Benito should hold out. He said Nick Benito should
not only get market rate, but if he doesn't get
up before training camp, he should hold out like that.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
He said, that's not a surprise because when he was
doing the show with this he pretty much said the
same thing.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
He is a huge, huge Nick Benito guy.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
In his organization to do that, and to his.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
Credit, to Alfred's credit, he had a right. He had
a right before a lot of people.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
I mean, there were people, I'm not saying necessarily within
the organization, but there were people who follow things closely
that were bit luke warm on Nick Benito's start here
as an edge pass rusher with the Broncos pretty one dimensional,
not very big.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
His rookie season.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
If you got him lined up to where you could
run at him, that was a problem for him and
the Broncos defense. To his credit, the next year he
came back. I don't know how much weight he gained,
but it was good weight. And so he's developed into
a really good young player. But it's an interesting it's interesting.
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I don't know whether Nick will will do that or not.
I just I don't have a feel for it.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
It just feels like the organization, the wrong organization do
that too, as we just have detailed like just I say,
trust the process because your money is not my money.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Baddo held out today who starts in the Tennessee game
on the edges.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Cooper and who Jonah maybe.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Coming off of pretty serious shoulder injury. I'm not not
completely sure he'll be one hundred percent in camp, but
a really good player.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
But I think everything that we've already talked about, guys,
those are the conversations that have already happened, right. I
think Sean Payton is very much in communication with Nick
Bedito about his contract and George Peyton and then advanced
Joseph like they're having these conversations. That's why you're seeing
the young man.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
Nay.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
I'm going to trust the process. I'm going to trust
what I've seen already this offseason. They'll get me done
at some point. I know I'm valuable to this organization,
and I know that I'm going to continue to get
better and better each and every day.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
We have a p Futach joining us coming for the
bottom of the hour here about ten minutes to give
us the latest on the NCAA versus House ruling and
what it's going to mean for college sports, more specifically
college football, which he covers. We'll get to that here
in just a little bit. I gotta say is we're
talking about edge rushers and it sounds hyperbolic. I understand that.
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But Ke Robinson might have had like five pressures today.
For what it's worth, No pads, get it plenty of
It's maybe second.
Speaker 5 (09:52):
Teams a period right after the word pad. I've tried
that pads period period. I tried to overhype too late,
but man, too late. It is fun to watch him play.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
I heard here you go.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Do you know listen, you know me, you to do this,
but I'm trying to instant.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
I'm trying to as my grandfather in Texas used to say,
I'm trying to hap you.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
Yeah, no, no, I wasn't.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
At practice today, so but I heard he had he
had some moments.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
So what what are you think? What are you thinking? What? What?
What conclusion do you have?
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Okay, what conclusion do you have on the player?
Speaker 1 (10:39):
What I'm trying to say is when he was drafted,
we talked about him as a core special team right
because a Nick Saban said one of the best special
teams players he's ever coached, and so we took a
quote we ran within. I think he's still going to
be a core special team and he's going to be
in that role. But it's really fascinating because there was
a lot of draft analysts out there that really liked him.
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They liked him as a Day three project at rusher
and you could see why. So only had five starts
last year, but he had seven TFLs and four sacks
in five starts at Alabama. Okay, that's not nothing.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
Yeah, I mean he's coming from a program absolutely where.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
There's some dogs there flashes there's just there's a there's
a smoothness, there's a speed element. I mean, he's got
to develop more in his arsenal. But he was just
running by these guys today and he got he got
pressure on bo Nix. He led one of his pressures.
They are very into practice, led to a Lavelle Bailey
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interception in the end zone off at Jared Stidham. There's
just something about his game. And he had a couple
of moses last week too. I didn't get a chance
to to really highlight it, but he had a couple
of pressures last week and I'd say even one that
wouldn't turn into a sack. But today it was like
every single rep in the red zone, Kew Robinson was
in the backfield, he was standing next to the quarterback
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multiple times. So again, day you call me, it's fine,
say it's a name to keep in mind.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
That's all.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Oh, I think that's fair if you just say it's
a guy to keep in mind, and Bronco fans when
they go to training camp would be aware of this guy.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
Damn'm all good. I listen.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
I hope he's everything you saw today and more and more.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
And my question to you is what were they wearing though?
What was the dress of the day, Ryan, without pad?
The shells and you're talking about the red area. You
know that was always the thing that really bothered me
the most. Well, they didn't really bother me. The more
it bothered me when a guy would flash so much,
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because I'm just saying, okay, well come August, I hope
that you flash just as much because right now, as
a offensive alignment, I'm going to take care of you.
I'm not coming down on a double team and put
in my face mask on your shoulder. I don't want
you to get an ac joint. I don't want you
to get hurt right now. So you know, I'm hoping
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that you can continue to keep it going and continue
to show those flashes. But I will tell you right now,
it's kind of tilted towards the defense, especially when guys
want to kind of just edd you, because now when
the pads come on, the expectation is that you're going
to try to run through me, and I'm trying to
run through you as well. So who is going to
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win that matchup and who's going to do it on
a consistent basis? Like you might look great, right now,
and I've seen guys that look that way, and I
hope that he does because there is a major part
of me that's always rooting for the Broncos and I
want to see them win, and I am happier when
they win. But right now in Spiders, you know, it's
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kind of as often the line you're brother in law
and you're not really hitting guys the way that you
would come July when you throw on the real big
boy pads.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Pretty significant ruling NCAA versus the House and THEAA is
now going to have to pay players. It's a pretty
pretty big deal. And we're going to see if our
guy p Futach, who's joining us right now in the
Kawai Thomas Burd Health Hotline. You can find them on
Twitter at petfutech and College Footballnews Dot Compete, really appreciate
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the time, hoping you can give us some insight. How
are you.
Speaker 6 (14:22):
I'm doing just fine. I'll start with I think I
got this right where you've kind of introduced it wrong.
The NCAA isn't paying the players. It's that they can,
or actually the schools can pay the players, and the
NCAA doesn't really have anything to do with it anymore.
Like there's no there's this new Collegiate Colleges Association or
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whatever thing that's going to kind of oversee it all
through the delays, counting, accounting stool and the NCAA is
going to kind of do the nuts and bolts, you know,
how to run Olympic sports and things like that going forward.
It's it's basically the big part of the pooling is
to saying that, Okay, if you're a college, you are
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allowed to play pay players, but only to a certain
extent because there's a salary cap. And I don't think
anybody's going to follow that, but that was basically the ruling.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
So pete in a nutshell if you can, let's just
say university A. Besides, yes, we're now allowed to pay
twenty point five million dollars to our to our athletes. Theoretically,
with with all of the sports involved, how how would
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you envision that working.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
It?
Speaker 6 (15:41):
This is where it's going to get tricky. Well, there's
also nil, so what you can also So basically that's
the UH cap that's being allowed to from these schools
to spend money on. On top of that, you can
still have your nil collectives and that's still the wild West.
You still can do basically whatever you want. Now, part
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of what's going forward is this this new formation of
this new uh ahead of the program, and this new
overseeing body is going to take those nil deals and
kind of make them a little more kosher, you know.
So for example, remember the Matthew Sluka thing of last
year where the UNLV quarterback says, uh, well, UNLV said
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that we're gonna they're gonna pay me one hundred thousand dollars.
UNLV doesn't remember saying that. And there's a whole big thing.
And now because a James Madison, well, uh, those things
aren't going to really happen anymore. It's gonna be a
little more of a clearinghouse for that. But in terms
of the salary cap, this is where it's gonna get
really tricky because it's how do you pay all the players?
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And how does Title nine get involved in this? Where
is that money coming from? And our Olympics were still
part of this, and well, we think of it as
a football thing. You need a lot of players they
have a good football team. You only need a couple
of basketball players. So some schools, you know, like a
Saint John's or something like that. I'm gonna be able
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to have a pretty awesome basketball team. Will just take
all that money and use.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
It for that.
Speaker 6 (17:13):
So we're going to care more about the women's sports
side of things. It'll be it'll be interesting to see
just how they kind of figure this one out, Pete.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
With everything that's going on, do we anticipate anything like
more rules and more structure when it comes to guys
just taking that kind of money and saying, hey, you
know what I'm going I'm out, like I'm going to
start training for the draft, because that bothers me the
most in December, where you start seeing guys dropping out
and saying they're not gonna play.
Speaker 6 (17:42):
Yeah, I'm a college football guy. I'm the opposite of that.
I'm like, if you're good, if you're gonna play in
the NFL, you shouldn't be playing it down to college
football more than you have to go. If college coaches
can switch before bowl games and you're a player and
you've got you know, look, right now, we're talking about
twenty million dollars salary cap. Justin Herbert's going to make
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fifty million dollars this year. You know, if you are
an FL player, What are you doing playing college? Unfortunately,
that's kind of where this is because we have this
dumb rule every three years out of high school. But
to your point, yeah, this is gonna get sticky because
on the one side, if you're signing up a player
and you're saying you are going We're going to pay
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you five million dollars in the next three years to
come here and play for XYD State, Well what happens if,
like you said, what happens if you you want to
pull a cam Ward and you quit on your team
at halftime? You know what happens if you don't play
those teams? Or if you have a quote unquote injury
that's a little bit questionable, or where if you're bad,
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what if you sign this deal and the school well
you're you know you're going to go to second or
third string? Now, well then what happens? You still have
to pay that money? Can you just cut them? There
is no players Union, so you have no breevance file too.
So it's really really a big time I mess that's
waiting to happen.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
The last one I have for you, I just wanted
to ask you, I guess your question A general idea
of what you think see you with Dean Sanders, No
Sure Sanders, no Travis Hunter there anymore? What are your
expectations for see.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
You this year?
Speaker 6 (19:15):
We're about to see the problem with the buffs is
that And I say this as a humongous on Sanders fan,
I don't know if there's any there there still. I mean,
I've always kind of called this the you know, you
did exactly what you're supposed to do with a program
that's been struggling, is you go get better players. The
problem is it's all frosting and no cake so far,
where there's just there's not enough recruiting infrastructure that's been
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built over the last few years. Now, if this wasn't
Dion Sanders and this was just some average coach and
you didn't have all the height and everything, you look
at Colorado said this is great. This is exactly what
you're supposed to do. You're supposed to build. Year afterier
and your tear and after reading from nothing in year three,
all of a sudden they keep getting better and better.
Now we're going to see if all of a sudden
that infrastructure is in place for the lines to build
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the thing up to make the defense even better if
you do have the right players in place. Without the
you know, the superstars those schedule are carrying the offensive times,
it is a little more of a running game. We'll
see how that's going to work out. And the other
big proft for Colorado is the big twelves nasty. You know,
remember last year at this time everyone said, well, the
top teams are Arizona, Oklahoma State, in Utah, and they
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none of them made a bowl. Again, they're all awful.
Those guys are good now, Kansas State's good. Texas Tech
go to the nil thing. No one spent more money
on players than Texas Tech. They are loaded. They bought
a great team almost in the system, and they're good now.
So Colorado it's every week is going to be a fight.
But yeah, go back to a bowl game and still
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be interesting. And you know, beyond that, hope coach Crime
fields better.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Yeah, no doubt about that.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
Pete.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Really appreciate the time, Appreciate the inside man, Thank.
Speaker 4 (20:49):
You, thanks apreciated guys.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
All right, PF you Tech College Footballnews dot Com. Yeah
I did say that wrong. Was actually the universities, the
colleges that can now pay players, which significant but he's
as a way, he friended they're nil. That stuff's all
going to be the same. And the Body College Sports
Commission is this new thing with Brian Seely as the
chief executive officer. He's been sort of put in place
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to try to bring some kind of order to all
of it.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
He's put in place to try to make certain and
I'm not sure how he's going to do this that
NIL deals are actually legitimate, that they're actually you, as
a player, have to do something other than a school
to saying, hey, we're going to give you two hundred
thousand dollars to come play for our school. There's got
to be some sort of deal. It's got to be
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with a business involved or or something. But I think,
I mean, honestly, stop and think about that job. I mean,
there's not enough hours in the day, not enough days
in the week, or weeks in the month or months
in the year for anybody, even with a fairly sizable
team at his disposal, to go out and figure out, hey,
is this deal with University A.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
Is that a legitimate deal they're paying him?
Speaker 2 (22:05):
On twitterred grand I mean, so here's what I would
say after our conversation with Pete.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
I still don't know.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
I really have no idea, and I'm starting to think
nobody else does either, in terms of how this is
going to work. How universities, if they decide to use
twenty point five million dollars per year, how do they
allocate the funds?
Speaker 3 (22:31):
I can see.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
If they're not careful, I could see Title nine lawsuits
out of the wazoo.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
It's like, wait a minute, So, I mean, how do
you how do you go about that?
Speaker 2 (22:45):
You know, revenue generating sports right now matter only to
the bottom line of the athletic department, but to the
other sports that generate zero revenue and in fact are
upset I down financially. They're still gonna want part of
this twenty point five million dollars. So if you're the
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athletic director or those in charge of allocating the funds,
what do you base those decisions on the programs.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
That are making you money?
Speaker 2 (23:17):
Well, you can't do that because you're gonna get You're
gonna get your ass sued off. I honestly, I have
no idea how this is gonna work, and I would
I don't think anybody I've talked to does either.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
It's nuts.
Speaker 4 (23:30):
You know, you look at a school like LSU, how
do you allocate those funds? You've got a great track team,
you got great You're good at basketball, You're good at
football every single year.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
I mean, this is not They're good at women's basketball too.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
So there's a few pro like Baylor's good at women's
at Yukon Tennessee LSU. So there's a handful of women's
basketball programs in the country that I believe are self
sustaining and probably make some money. But what about what
about the ones that don't?
Speaker 1 (24:00):
Hm, I mean, it's going to be to your point,
it feels damn near impossible. But I guess for them
in this ruling, and I know that the NCAA, which
by the way, is basically next to nothing at this point,
I don't want to know what power they actually have.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
That was going to be my first question with pe.
Speaker 4 (24:18):
What does that CAA actually do about this point?
Speaker 1 (24:21):
But yeah, I mean there's there's really I know, they
want Congress more involved, they want they want the government
to help dictate a lot of what the rules. You
think that is gonna happen? I do, Okay, yes I do.
I think I'm not saying I'm in favor of it.
But I do think Congress is going to get involved
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because there's enough powerful people that are asking for their
assistance and trying to figure out how do we you know,
how do we not only survive at this point, just
how how do we function? What's the proper there's no roadmap,
there's no there's nobody that's done it before. Like, so
you can't go back and talk you know, if you
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if you inherit a football pro you want to talk
to the previous head coach, you know, what'd you run?
Speaker 3 (25:07):
Who'd you?
Speaker 2 (25:07):
I mean, all these things. There's no game plan doing
it for this first time. Honestly, I don't I just
don't know how this can work.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
Well, good luck to Brian. Seely it's gonna somehow figure
it all out in the process. Or did you say
that you have a problem with players that decided to
sit out of bowl games?
Speaker 4 (25:27):
Did I hear that? Right? Yeah? It bothers me, especially
with Nil when I was in college, Like last game
meant something to me, you know, And I know that
college football is completely different, but you know, I walked
into the University of Miami back in two thousand and seven,
and they tell you you know, look to your right,
look to your left, and you got a class of
like twenty four kids, and like a third of you
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guys are going to make it through here. And I
just remember like getting ready for that last game or
even coming back for my junior year and for my
senior year. I have an opportunity to jump ship after
my junior year, Like I really really wanted to play
that game. And maybe it's the announcer part in me
that the calls games for ESPN, where now you you know,
you see these guys that had these great seasons and
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you're in a system and you know your team has
won because of a large part of what you've done,
and now you're just out. It bothers me a little bit,
especially when you're getting millions and millions of dollars to
go play for it one year.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
I get it, I you know what, I I can
understand if you're the top ten pick, first round pick.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
Okay, I get it. But I still feel the way
O does.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
And I think I think that's partially due to the
fact that we're involved in team sports forever. Yeah, it's
like you count on your teammates you've got I mean,
you know, you play injured, you whatever, you got to
be accountable to you too, So I get it, although
I also understand from the other side there's a lot
of money at stake and when some of these decisions
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were being made. This was before nil stuff, right, So
these kids had not made any money in college. Now
we're sure of being a top ten pick and we're
going to go play in the you know, Poulan weed
Eater Bowl. Okay, I mean I can understand that. Also,
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we had a texture that questioned three h three five
one seven. So David, the player gets paid two hundred
thousand dollars a year. Does the player pay for college
out of his salary or is that extra? How would
you see this playing out? Well, the way he set
up right now with the I'm air quoting nil stuff,
that player would get paid two hundred thousand dollars from
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the collective, which is separate from the nil simply to
come to school there He then, I guess, or she
then would have a full scholarship.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
You'd be a scholarship player, but you'd be paid.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
Whether it's monthly, I'm not sure how the payments are
set up, but paid two hundred thousand dollars a year.
We did have a question in Pete Ran I can't
remember if it was you or Pete talking about schools
cutting players.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
That's happening, that's happening as we speak.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
All right, Yeah, I've had players I don't like it,
but I've had players go on full scholarship that have
been cut.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
Prior to the start of their freshman year. Now stop
and thinking about that. Wow.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Now, in a couple of cases, the staff changed, the
new staff came in. They had because the player went
early trying to get ahead start to his freshman year,
so they had a chance to evaluate him. Right, But
the scholarship, really they pay for it, but your first
year of eligibility starts in the falls, so they have.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
A chance to evaluate and say, we don't think this
is going to work. So it has worked.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
In some cases in favor of players, but I've also
seen it work to the detriment of players.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
And that's been around since then.
Speaker 4 (29:10):
The time I remember when I got to the University
of Miami, Randy Shannon became the head coach and he
had to meet him with about fifteen guys and flat
out told him. And this is in the mid two thousands, like, hey, like,
this is not an io where you could go transfer
and play right now. And he's telling them, hey, you
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should look into transfer and you're not going to play
here this year, but he's never took their scholarship. Like, hey,
if you're going to stay here, you're just not going
to be on the football team. We're going to honor
your scholarship. But what Dave saying, like that's going on
this one I'm talking about West. Yeah, like kids are
getting cut and there's no scholarship.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
Yea, what do you do now?
Speaker 2 (29:51):
You got to go in the portal, Yeah, and go
find yourself another school that has an interest in you
and hope that there's still some sk llowship money available.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
It's it's I don't have an answer for it. I
wish I did. I just don't. I don't know how
this whole thing is going to play out.
Speaker 4 (30:10):
The game's going to suffer, though, like long term that
the NFL suffers in my opinion, form it because now,
what about a guy like Ryan Clady that played offensive
line and defensive line and went to Boise State as
a defensive end and gets moved to offensive tackle and
becomes now a first round pick right, a top fifteen pick.
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You don't get you don't give these guys the opportunity
really to develop. And you know, I know Pete called
the rule kind of bogus, like the three years removed
from high school. But once you get to the NFL,
I truly believe like these young men need like that
time to have their body develop and really get ready
for kind of what the NFL brings when you when
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you get to this level.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
But I mean, to his point, it's it's more about
adding restrictions. I think you're right. There is a long
time that I maybe argued the other side of it, saying, well,
there are exceptions to the three year rule. There are
exceptions of guys that seem to be ready that for
some reason, we're holding them to the standard of having
to stay into college football for longer than they really should.
(31:17):
But the longer I've been around football, the more I
actually kind of like that role. But I think, what
and maybe I don't want to speak for him, but
more I understand it as we're now entering this age
where we're having fewer and fewer restrictions on these players,
especially with the money that they can make, And so
why are we adding more restrictions on Well, this is
when you can decide to go to the NFL. You
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can make this decision after three years.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
I've got a real simple, quick answer to that, because
ninety nine percent of the players that would come out
of college after one year are not ready in any
way to play in the NFL. They're not ready physically,
they're not ready mentally, they're not ready emotionally. And what happens,
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And you see this a lot, and we've seen it
more of these days. These kids believe that they're ready
to go. I mean, the confidence level of kids in
football today has never been generally speaking, has never been
more delusional than it is right now. If we allowed
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players to come out of college after one year, I
would bet you'd have one hundred, two hundred hundreds of
players that would say I'm ready for the NFL draft.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
Then here's what happens.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
They don't get drafted, maybe they sign as free agents,
maybe they don't make the team.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
Then what do they have?
Speaker 2 (32:46):
Would they have been better served to stay at their university,
hone their craft a bit, grow into their body, maybe
get a little more experience in football as opposed to
trying to go make an NFL roster with a bunch
of grown ass men. You know, I would not be
in favor. I've seen some guys that I thought physically
could could do it, yeah, but just not many.
Speaker 4 (33:07):
Yeah. I mean that's like that percentage is so little, right,
And you look at that and it makes even with nil,
you got guys going into portal and there's no spots,
Like schools don't have scholarships for these guys, and it's like,
why did you go into portal?
Speaker 2 (33:21):
There's ten thousand as of today, ten thousand, seven hundred
and some odd college athletes in the port of transfer portal.
Speaker 3 (33:32):
Where are they all going?
Speaker 4 (33:34):
But I'll also tell you this, like take the sports
factor out of it, and just the game of football
stands for not for long. In the NFL three and
a half years average. So I'm a huge fan of
this three year rule. And we could just throw sports
completely out of it because it gets guys so much
closer to have them and that piece of paper having
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to their degree. And when it's all said and done,
I just got my degree a month ago, early May,
and it took me years to go back to finish it.
And I was only five classes short, but to have
a guy where you have to go now three years
and now you're going to summer school and all these
different things, you get really really close. And when the
NFL closes that door, which that door always closes, now
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you get that opportunity to go back to school. And
it's not that much like I feel bad for some
of these basketball players where you could go to school
for one year. It's like, hey, when I walked last month,
Bruce Brown was there. We were walking and I walked
up to me. I said, man, dude, proud of you, man,
because basketball is a completely different animal as far as
how long you got to stay in school, and you
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could be so far away from getting a college degree
once it's all said and done, and have the success
and be able to get into the NBA and go
win a championship, But it doesn't mean that you're going
to want to go back to school later on in life.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
Ron has been a significant signing today at running Back.
We'll talk about that as well as other observations from
day one. A Manastory Minichev coming up next
Six o'clock tonight five six six nine Zeros a kay
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Comma Spirit Health text line. So we're talking about Shamar
Stewart a moment ago, who's a holdout as a rookie
for the Bengals. Trey Hendrickson also a holdout. They're seen
up there on the screen. Terry McLaurin. I know JJ
or TJ. Watt is also a holdout the Broncos. Meanwhile,
today Mediatry Mini Camp, everybody's showing up. John Bailey wasn't
out there, but it sounds like it was excused, at
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least from the coaching staff side. I think John Franklin
Myers was out there. Are we Why do you think
that is, Dave? Why do you think the Broncos with
several guys as we've noted, Nick Benito, John Franklin Myers,
Zach Allen, Corland Sutton, you know, you know a lot
of guys that all want new contracts. Why do you
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think it is that the Broncos are not experiencing this
a holdout with these guys.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
I think they're smart, the players are smart, and I
think there's a way to negotiate a deal that you
are much more likely to get a deal done, and
that way is not necessarily holding out of camp because
when you do that, now, a guy like Trey Hendrickson,
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you know, he was trying to get a deal done
last year and depending on which side you believe, there
were some promises made a come back, have a year.
Speaker 3 (01:28):
Okay, he came back and had a year.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Seventeen and a half sacks, led the league in sacks,
and now here you sit again.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
So I think that deal will get done.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Who knows how much it's going to be, but I
think with respect to the Broncos, I think a since
Sean got here and George Peyton's been important too, and
I think the Pinner family ownership group has been really
good in this as well. Hey there's ways to do things.
Here's the way we're going to do things. Trying to
do things in a first class manner. And so from
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a player standpoint, you know what you do is if
you hold out of a mandatory mini camp, you you
basically go public with everything, and that's you put the.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Team behind the eight ball. And they hate that.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
They don't like it, and I've seen in instances where
they resent it and then it becomes very personal and
it becomes punitive and things are said and done and.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
It's harder to get a deal. Now.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
I don't know that all those guys you just mentioned
are going to get deals with the Broncos, but I
think I think the way they are going about it
gives them a better chance.
Speaker 3 (02:41):
Yeah, give me Sean Payton for a.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
Thousand guys, because I think that Sean Payton would put
these guys into doghouse. Oh you want to hold out
and you for all of the things that Dave was
talking about. Da Yeah, but I think at the end
of the day, it's like, you're going to do this
to our team. We're trying to get better. We have
like it's not a personal goal right now. Yes, we're
going to try to get you paid. But there's a
right way to do this. And you show up each
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and every day, you bring it, lunch pails of work,
and you take care of business. We will take care
of you. Look at the Broncos this past year, they've
already proved to the whole National Football League. We're going
to take care of our guys with how many guys
what was it eighty six? As far as returning guys
on the roster, so they're already doing such a great job.
For you to hold out, I think it just winds
you in Sean Payton's doghouse, and good luck trying to
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get out of that way.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Sometimes it's as simple as the head coach picking up
the phone and calling a player and just say, look,
we're aware of the fact you want a new deal.
We're hoping to get a new deal done. Here's what
I need from you. I need you to come to camp.
I need you to trust that we're going to do
I don't know if we can get to where you
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want to get to, but you're hearing me say I
want you to trust me that we're going to do
everything we can to get a deal done that is
a good enough deal for you that you like, and
a good enough deal for us we can swallow. And
so sometimes, you know, I've known, I've known head coaches
pick up the phone and you'd be shocked or maybe not.
(04:09):
That works for players because they don't just like, oh said,
you don't want to be in Sean Payton's doghouse. That's
a big ass house, right, you don't want to be
in that?
Speaker 4 (04:20):
Yeah, I give you also one more right, I mean,
we kind of seen the Broncos transition right over the
last couple of years when when Peyton left you you
saw them have to overpay for guys. Hey, hey, juwan, James,
here you go right, and even a couple of years
ago with Mike mclinchy, like, hey, we're going to make
you the highest paid right tackle, not saying that he
doesn't deserve and not saying any of that, but I
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think that last year you now turn it into a
destination and now it's like, oh man, like we got
that taste of the playoffs and the postseason. I don't
want to hold out. I want to go win football games.
It's more important to win football games than to be
saying one, two, three can coon in the middle of December.
I think what both of you are saying is exactly right.
(05:02):
First of all, day talking about the communication portion of it,
I do think that that's a big deal.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
And anytime Sean is asked about any of these players,
he almost immediately goes, oh, I've had plenty of conversations
with those players. I've talked to them individually about their situation.
I understand where they're coming from, and certainly his word
means a lot in this conversation, he's at the GM,
but in a lot of ways he functions with the GM,
so I think that the mindset is the same. And
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then to the point that Orlando said, they've shown the ability,
especially this last year, as an example of taking care
of their guys. They got Quinn Miners done, Patzertan done,
Jonathan Cooper for example, goals goals. That's right. They took
care of their guys, their core guys. So a lot
of these players who are viewed in the same fashion,
I imagine they come to camp with the anticipation that, hey,
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this is just an organization that does this thing. Where
you look at some of these other organizations. While you're
talking about the Bengals, maybe not historically the same.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Sitution as you mentioned, there were there was at least one,
and I'll say more than one that was convinced he
was not getting a deal done that had already come
to grips in his own mind that Sean didn't just
wasn't gonna it just wasn't gonna happen, right, gonna right, right, Yeah,
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And all those guys, as you said, got signed.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
I think I know who you're referencing.
Speaker 5 (06:32):
I doubt that oh, really, okay, maybe when we get
off of my doubts, I'll ask as.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
If I know.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
You're right, and and then there's a sense of maybe
you don't know really how the organization feels about you,
other than the fact that that they continue to give
you opportunities and they continue to put you out there,
and and know that that is part of the process.
I know we've gone around and round on on sort
of stacking these guys and who needs to get done
and so on and so forth. It was interesting. Our
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guy Alfred did an interview with Chris Thompson. He said
Nick Benito should hold out. He said Nick Benito should
not only get market rate, but if he doesn't get
up before training camp, he should hold out like that.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
He said, that's not a surprise because when he was
doing the show with this he pretty much said the
same thing.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
He is a huge, huge Nick Benito guy.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
In his organization to do that, and to his.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
Credit, to Alfred's credit, he had a right. He had
a right before a lot of people.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
I mean, there were people, I'm not saying necessarily within
the organization, but there were people who follow things closely
that were bit luke warm on Nick Benito's start here
as an edge pass rusher with the Broncos pretty one dimensional,
not very big.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
His rookie season.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
If you got him lined up to where you could
run at him, that was a problem for him and
the Broncos defense. To his credit, the next year he
came back. I don't know how much weight he gained,
but it was good weight. And so he's developed into
a really good young player. But it's an interesting it's interesting.
(08:10):
I don't know whether Nick will will do that or not.
I just I don't have a feel for it.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
It just feels like the organization, the wrong organization do
that too, as we just have detailed like just I say,
trust the process because your money is not my money.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Baddo held out today who starts in the Tennessee game
on the edges.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Cooper and who Jonah maybe.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Coming off of pretty serious shoulder injury. I'm not not
completely sure he'll be one hundred percent in camp, but
a really good player.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
But I think everything that we've already talked about, guys,
those are the conversations that have already happened, right. I
think Sean Payton is very much in communication with Nick
Bedito about his contract and George Peyton and then advanced
Joseph like they're having these conversations. That's why you're seeing
the young man.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
Nay.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
I'm going to trust the process. I'm going to trust
what I've seen already this offseason. They'll get me done
at some point. I know I'm valuable to this organization,
and I know that I'm going to continue to get
better and better each and every day.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
We have a p Futach joining us coming for the
bottom of the hour here about ten minutes to give
us the latest on the NCAA versus House ruling and
what it's going to mean for college sports, more specifically
college football, which he covers. We'll get to that here
in just a little bit. I gotta say is we're
talking about edge rushers and it sounds hyperbolic. I understand that.
(09:43):
But Ke Robinson might have had like five pressures today.
For what it's worth, No pads, get it plenty of
It's maybe second.
Speaker 5 (09:52):
Teams a period right after the word pad. I've tried
that pads period period. I tried to overhype too late,
but man, too late. It is fun to watch him play.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
I heard here you go.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Do you know listen, you know me, you to do this,
but I'm trying to instant.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
I'm trying to as my grandfather in Texas used to say,
I'm trying to hap you.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
Yeah, no, no, I wasn't.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
At practice today, so but I heard he had he
had some moments.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
So what what are you think? What are you thinking? What? What?
What conclusion do you have?
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Okay, what conclusion do you have on the player?
Speaker 1 (10:39):
What I'm trying to say is when he was drafted,
we talked about him as a core special team right
because a Nick Saban said one of the best special
teams players he's ever coached, and so we took a
quote we ran within. I think he's still going to
be a core special team and he's going to be
in that role. But it's really fascinating because there was
a lot of draft analysts out there that really liked him.
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They liked him as a Day three project at rusher
and you could see why. So only had five starts
last year, but he had seven TFLs and four sacks
in five starts at Alabama. Okay, that's not nothing.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
Yeah, I mean he's coming from a program absolutely where.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
There's some dogs there flashes there's just there's a there's
a smoothness, there's a speed element. I mean, he's got
to develop more in his arsenal. But he was just
running by these guys today and he got he got
pressure on bo Nix. He led one of his pressures.
They are very into practice, led to a Lavelle Bailey
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interception in the end zone off at Jared Stidham. There's
just something about his game. And he had a couple
of moses last week too. I didn't get a chance
to to really highlight it, but he had a couple
of pressures last week and I'd say even one that
wouldn't turn into a sack. But today it was like
every single rep in the red zone, Kew Robinson was
in the backfield, he was standing next to the quarterback
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multiple times. So again, day you call me, it's fine,
say it's a name to keep in mind.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
That's all.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Oh, I think that's fair if you just say it's
a guy to keep in mind, and Bronco fans when
they go to training camp would be aware of this guy.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
Damn'm all good. I listen.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
I hope he's everything you saw today and more and more.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
And my question to you is what were they wearing though?
What was the dress of the day, Ryan, without pad?
The shells and you're talking about the red area. You
know that was always the thing that really bothered me
the most. Well, they didn't really bother me. The more
it bothered me when a guy would flash so much,
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because I'm just saying, okay, well come August, I hope
that you flash just as much because right now, as
a offensive alignment, I'm going to take care of you.
I'm not coming down on a double team and put
in my face mask on your shoulder. I don't want
you to get an ac joint. I don't want you
to get hurt right now. So you know, I'm hoping
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that you can continue to keep it going and continue
to show those flashes. But I will tell you right now,
it's kind of tilted towards the defense, especially when guys
want to kind of just edd you, because now when
the pads come on, the expectation is that you're going
to try to run through me, and I'm trying to
run through you as well. So who is going to
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win that matchup and who's going to do it on
a consistent basis? Like you might look great, right now,
and I've seen guys that look that way, and I
hope that he does because there is a major part
of me that's always rooting for the Broncos and I
want to see them win, and I am happier when
they win. But right now in Spiders, you know, it's
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kind of as often the line you're brother in law
and you're not really hitting guys the way that you
would come July when you throw on the real big
boy pads.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Pretty significant ruling NCAA versus the House and THEAA is
now going to have to pay players. It's a pretty
pretty big deal. And we're going to see if our
guy p Futach, who's joining us right now in the
Kawai Thomas Burd Health Hotline. You can find them on
Twitter at petfutech and College Footballnews Dot Compete, really appreciate
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the time, hoping you can give us some insight. How
are you.
Speaker 6 (14:22):
I'm doing just fine. I'll start with I think I
got this right where you've kind of introduced it wrong.
The NCAA isn't paying the players. It's that they can,
or actually the schools can pay the players, and the
NCAA doesn't really have anything to do with it anymore.
Like there's no there's this new Collegiate Colleges Association or
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whatever thing that's going to kind of oversee it all
through the delays, counting, accounting stool and the NCAA is
going to kind of do the nuts and bolts, you know,
how to run Olympic sports and things like that going forward.
It's it's basically the big part of the pooling is
to saying that, Okay, if you're a college, you are
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allowed to play pay players, but only to a certain
extent because there's a salary cap. And I don't think
anybody's going to follow that, but that was basically the ruling.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
So pete in a nutshell if you can, let's just
say university A. Besides, yes, we're now allowed to pay
twenty point five million dollars to our to our athletes. Theoretically,
with with all of the sports involved, how how would
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you envision that working.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
It?
Speaker 6 (15:41):
This is where it's going to get tricky. Well, there's
also nil, so what you can also So basically that's
the UH cap that's being allowed to from these schools
to spend money on. On top of that, you can
still have your nil collectives and that's still the wild West.
You still can do basically whatever you want. Now, part
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of what's going forward is this this new formation of
this new uh ahead of the program, and this new
overseeing body is going to take those nil deals and
kind of make them a little more kosher, you know.
So for example, remember the Matthew Sluka thing of last
year where the UNLV quarterback says, uh, well, UNLV said
(16:25):
that we're gonna they're gonna pay me one hundred thousand dollars.
UNLV doesn't remember saying that. And there's a whole big thing.
And now because a James Madison, well, uh, those things
aren't going to really happen anymore. It's gonna be a
little more of a clearinghouse for that. But in terms
of the salary cap, this is where it's gonna get
really tricky because it's how do you pay all the players?
(16:48):
And how does Title nine get involved in this? Where
is that money coming from? And our Olympics were still
part of this, and well, we think of it as
a football thing. You need a lot of players they
have a good football team. You only need a couple
of basketball players. So some schools, you know, like a
Saint John's or something like that. I'm gonna be able
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to have a pretty awesome basketball team. Will just take
all that money and use.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
It for that.
Speaker 6 (17:13):
So we're going to care more about the women's sports
side of things. It'll be it'll be interesting to see
just how they kind of figure this one out, Pete.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
With everything that's going on, do we anticipate anything like
more rules and more structure when it comes to guys
just taking that kind of money and saying, hey, you
know what I'm going I'm out, like I'm going to
start training for the draft, because that bothers me the
most in December, where you start seeing guys dropping out
and saying they're not gonna play.
Speaker 6 (17:42):
Yeah, I'm a college football guy. I'm the opposite of that.
I'm like, if you're good, if you're gonna play in
the NFL, you shouldn't be playing it down to college
football more than you have to go. If college coaches
can switch before bowl games and you're a player and
you've got you know, look, right now, we're talking about
twenty million dollars salary cap. Justin Herbert's going to make
(18:02):
fifty million dollars this year. You know, if you are
an FL player, What are you doing playing college? Unfortunately,
that's kind of where this is because we have this
dumb rule every three years out of high school. But
to your point, yeah, this is gonna get sticky because
on the one side, if you're signing up a player
and you're saying you are going We're going to pay
(18:23):
you five million dollars in the next three years to
come here and play for XYD State, Well what happens if,
like you said, what happens if you you want to
pull a cam Ward and you quit on your team
at halftime? You know what happens if you don't play
those teams? Or if you have a quote unquote injury
that's a little bit questionable, or where if you're bad,
(18:43):
what if you sign this deal and the school well
you're you know you're going to go to second or
third string? Now, well then what happens? You still have
to pay that money? Can you just cut them? There
is no players Union, so you have no breevance file too.
So it's really really a big time I mess that's
waiting to happen.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
The last one I have for you, I just wanted
to ask you, I guess your question A general idea
of what you think see you with Dean Sanders, No
Sure Sanders, no Travis Hunter there anymore? What are your
expectations for see.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
You this year?
Speaker 6 (19:15):
We're about to see the problem with the buffs is
that And I say this as a humongous on Sanders fan,
I don't know if there's any there there still. I mean,
I've always kind of called this the you know, you
did exactly what you're supposed to do with a program
that's been struggling, is you go get better players. The
problem is it's all frosting and no cake so far,
where there's just there's not enough recruiting infrastructure that's been
(19:37):
built over the last few years. Now, if this wasn't
Dion Sanders and this was just some average coach and
you didn't have all the height and everything, you look
at Colorado said this is great. This is exactly what
you're supposed to do. You're supposed to build. Year afterier
and your tear and after reading from nothing in year three,
all of a sudden they keep getting better and better.
Now we're going to see if all of a sudden
that infrastructure is in place for the lines to build
(19:59):
the thing up to make the defense even better if
you do have the right players in place. Without the
you know, the superstars those schedule are carrying the offensive times,
it is a little more of a running game. We'll
see how that's going to work out. And the other
big proft for Colorado is the big twelves nasty. You know,
remember last year at this time everyone said, well, the
top teams are Arizona, Oklahoma State, in Utah, and they
(20:21):
none of them made a bowl. Again, they're all awful.
Those guys are good now, Kansas State's good. Texas Tech
go to the nil thing. No one spent more money
on players than Texas Tech. They are loaded. They bought
a great team almost in the system, and they're good now.
So Colorado it's every week is going to be a fight.
But yeah, go back to a bowl game and still
(20:42):
be interesting. And you know, beyond that, hope coach Crime
fields better.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Yeah, no doubt about that.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
Pete.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Really appreciate the time, Appreciate the inside man, Thank.
Speaker 4 (20:49):
You, thanks apreciated guys.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
All right, PF you Tech College Footballnews dot Com. Yeah
I did say that wrong. Was actually the universities, the
colleges that can now pay players, which significant but he's
as a way, he friended they're nil. That stuff's all
going to be the same. And the Body College Sports
Commission is this new thing with Brian Seely as the
chief executive officer. He's been sort of put in place
(21:14):
to try to bring some kind of order to all
of it.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
He's put in place to try to make certain and
I'm not sure how he's going to do this that
NIL deals are actually legitimate, that they're actually you, as
a player, have to do something other than a school
to saying, hey, we're going to give you two hundred
thousand dollars to come play for our school. There's got
to be some sort of deal. It's got to be
(21:41):
with a business involved or or something. But I think,
I mean, honestly, stop and think about that job. I mean,
there's not enough hours in the day, not enough days
in the week, or weeks in the month or months
in the year for anybody, even with a fairly sizable
team at his disposal, to go out and figure out, hey,
is this deal with University A.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
Is that a legitimate deal they're paying him?
Speaker 2 (22:05):
On twitterred grand I mean, so here's what I would
say after our conversation with Pete.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
I still don't know.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
I really have no idea, and I'm starting to think
nobody else does either, in terms of how this is
going to work. How universities, if they decide to use
twenty point five million dollars per year, how do they
allocate the funds?
Speaker 3 (22:31):
I can see.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
If they're not careful, I could see Title nine lawsuits
out of the wazoo.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
It's like, wait a minute, So, I mean, how do
you how do you go about that?
Speaker 2 (22:45):
You know, revenue generating sports right now matter only to
the bottom line of the athletic department, but to the
other sports that generate zero revenue and in fact are
upset I down financially. They're still gonna want part of
this twenty point five million dollars. So if you're the
(23:07):
athletic director or those in charge of allocating the funds,
what do you base those decisions on the programs.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
That are making you money?
Speaker 2 (23:17):
Well, you can't do that because you're gonna get You're
gonna get your ass sued off. I honestly, I have
no idea how this is gonna work, and I would
I don't think anybody I've talked to does either.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
It's nuts.
Speaker 4 (23:30):
You know, you look at a school like LSU, how
do you allocate those funds? You've got a great track team,
you got great You're good at basketball, You're good at
football every single year.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
I mean, this is not They're good at women's basketball too.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
So there's a few pro like Baylor's good at women's
at Yukon Tennessee LSU. So there's a handful of women's
basketball programs in the country that I believe are self
sustaining and probably make some money. But what about what
about the ones that don't?
Speaker 1 (24:00):
Hm, I mean, it's going to be to your point,
it feels damn near impossible. But I guess for them
in this ruling, and I know that the NCAA, which
by the way, is basically next to nothing at this point,
I don't want to know what power they actually have.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
That was going to be my first question with pe.
Speaker 4 (24:18):
What does that CAA actually do about this point?
Speaker 1 (24:21):
But yeah, I mean there's there's really I know, they
want Congress more involved, they want they want the government
to help dictate a lot of what the rules. You
think that is gonna happen? I do, Okay, yes I do.
I think I'm not saying I'm in favor of it.
But I do think Congress is going to get involved
(24:42):
because there's enough powerful people that are asking for their
assistance and trying to figure out how do we you know,
how do we not only survive at this point, just
how how do we function? What's the proper there's no roadmap,
there's no there's nobody that's done it before. Like, so
you can't go back and talk you know, if you
(25:02):
if you inherit a football pro you want to talk
to the previous head coach, you know, what'd you run?
Speaker 3 (25:07):
Who'd you?
Speaker 2 (25:07):
I mean, all these things. There's no game plan doing
it for this first time. Honestly, I don't I just
don't know how this can work.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
Well, good luck to Brian. Seely it's gonna somehow figure
it all out in the process. Or did you say
that you have a problem with players that decided to
sit out of bowl games?
Speaker 4 (25:27):
Did I hear that? Right? Yeah? It bothers me, especially
with Nil when I was in college, Like last game
meant something to me, you know, And I know that
college football is completely different, but you know, I walked
into the University of Miami back in two thousand and seven,
and they tell you you know, look to your right,
look to your left, and you got a class of
like twenty four kids, and like a third of you
(25:49):
guys are going to make it through here. And I
just remember like getting ready for that last game or
even coming back for my junior year and for my
senior year. I have an opportunity to jump ship after
my junior year, Like I really really wanted to play
that game. And maybe it's the announcer part in me
that the calls games for ESPN, where now you you know,
you see these guys that had these great seasons and
(26:12):
you're in a system and you know your team has
won because of a large part of what you've done,
and now you're just out. It bothers me a little bit,
especially when you're getting millions and millions of dollars to
go play for it one year.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
I get it, I you know what, I I can
understand if you're the top ten pick, first round pick.
Speaker 3 (26:33):
Okay, I get it. But I still feel the way
O does.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
And I think I think that's partially due to the
fact that we're involved in team sports forever. Yeah, it's
like you count on your teammates you've got I mean,
you know, you play injured, you whatever, you got to
be accountable to you too, So I get it, although
I also understand from the other side there's a lot
of money at stake and when some of these decisions
(26:59):
were being made. This was before nil stuff, right, So
these kids had not made any money in college. Now
we're sure of being a top ten pick and we're
going to go play in the you know, Poulan weed
Eater Bowl. Okay, I mean I can understand that. Also,
(27:19):
we had a texture that questioned three h three five
one seven. So David, the player gets paid two hundred
thousand dollars a year. Does the player pay for college
out of his salary or is that extra? How would
you see this playing out? Well, the way he set
up right now with the I'm air quoting nil stuff,
that player would get paid two hundred thousand dollars from
(27:41):
the collective, which is separate from the nil simply to
come to school there He then, I guess, or she
then would have a full scholarship.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
You'd be a scholarship player, but you'd be paid.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
Whether it's monthly, I'm not sure how the payments are
set up, but paid two hundred thousand dollars a year.
We did have a question in Pete Ran I can't
remember if it was you or Pete talking about schools
cutting players.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
That's happening, that's happening as we speak.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
All right, Yeah, I've had players I don't like it,
but I've had players go on full scholarship that have
been cut.
Speaker 3 (28:26):
Prior to the start of their freshman year. Now stop
and thinking about that. Wow.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Now, in a couple of cases, the staff changed, the
new staff came in. They had because the player went
early trying to get ahead start to his freshman year,
so they had a chance to evaluate him. Right, But
the scholarship, really they pay for it, but your first
year of eligibility starts in the falls, so they have.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
A chance to evaluate and say, we don't think this
is going to work. So it has worked.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
In some cases in favor of players, but I've also
seen it work to the detriment of players.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
And that's been around since then.
Speaker 4 (29:10):
The time I remember when I got to the University
of Miami, Randy Shannon became the head coach and he
had to meet him with about fifteen guys and flat
out told him. And this is in the mid two thousands, like, hey, like,
this is not an io where you could go transfer
and play right now. And he's telling them, hey, you
(29:30):
should look into transfer and you're not going to play
here this year, but he's never took their scholarship. Like, hey,
if you're going to stay here, you're just not going
to be on the football team. We're going to honor
your scholarship. But what Dave saying, like that's going on
this one I'm talking about West. Yeah, like kids are
getting cut and there's no scholarship.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
Yea, what do you do now?
Speaker 2 (29:51):
You got to go in the portal, Yeah, and go
find yourself another school that has an interest in you
and hope that there's still some sk llowship money available.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
It's it's I don't have an answer for it. I
wish I did. I just don't. I don't know how
this whole thing is going to play out.
Speaker 4 (30:10):
The game's going to suffer, though, like long term that
the NFL suffers in my opinion, form it because now,
what about a guy like Ryan Clady that played offensive
line and defensive line and went to Boise State as
a defensive end and gets moved to offensive tackle and
becomes now a first round pick right, a top fifteen pick.
(30:32):
You don't get you don't give these guys the opportunity
really to develop. And you know, I know Pete called
the rule kind of bogus, like the three years removed
from high school. But once you get to the NFL,
I truly believe like these young men need like that
time to have their body develop and really get ready
for kind of what the NFL brings when you when
(30:54):
you get to this level.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
But I mean, to his point, it's it's more about
adding restrictions. I think you're right. There is a long
time that I maybe argued the other side of it, saying, well,
there are exceptions to the three year rule. There are
exceptions of guys that seem to be ready that for
some reason, we're holding them to the standard of having
to stay into college football for longer than they really should.
(31:17):
But the longer I've been around football, the more I
actually kind of like that role. But I think, what
and maybe I don't want to speak for him, but
more I understand it as we're now entering this age
where we're having fewer and fewer restrictions on these players,
especially with the money that they can make, And so
why are we adding more restrictions on Well, this is
when you can decide to go to the NFL. You
(31:37):
can make this decision after three years.
Speaker 2 (31:39):
I've got a real simple, quick answer to that, because
ninety nine percent of the players that would come out
of college after one year are not ready in any
way to play in the NFL. They're not ready physically,
they're not ready mentally, they're not ready emotionally. And what happens,
(32:02):
And you see this a lot, and we've seen it
more of these days. These kids believe that they're ready
to go. I mean, the confidence level of kids in
football today has never been generally speaking, has never been
more delusional than it is right now. If we allowed
(32:22):
players to come out of college after one year, I
would bet you'd have one hundred, two hundred hundreds of
players that would say I'm ready for the NFL draft.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
Then here's what happens.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
They don't get drafted, maybe they sign as free agents,
maybe they don't make the team.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
Then what do they have?
Speaker 2 (32:46):
Would they have been better served to stay at their university,
hone their craft a bit, grow into their body, maybe
get a little more experience in football as opposed to
trying to go make an NFL roster with a bunch
of grown ass men. You know, I would not be
in favor. I've seen some guys that I thought physically
could could do it, yeah, but just not many.
Speaker 4 (33:07):
Yeah. I mean that's like that percentage is so little, right,
And you look at that and it makes even with nil,
you got guys going into portal and there's no spots,
Like schools don't have scholarships for these guys, and it's like,
why did you go into portal?
Speaker 2 (33:21):
There's ten thousand as of today, ten thousand, seven hundred
and some odd college athletes in the port of transfer portal.
Speaker 3 (33:32):
Where are they all going?
Speaker 4 (33:34):
But I'll also tell you this, like take the sports
factor out of it, and just the game of football
stands for not for long. In the NFL three and
a half years average. So I'm a huge fan of
this three year rule. And we could just throw sports
completely out of it because it gets guys so much
closer to have them and that piece of paper having
(33:55):
to their degree. And when it's all said and done,
I just got my degree a month ago, early May,
and it took me years to go back to finish it.
And I was only five classes short, but to have
a guy where you have to go now three years
and now you're going to summer school and all these
different things, you get really really close. And when the
NFL closes that door, which that door always closes, now
(34:17):
you get that opportunity to go back to school. And
it's not that much like I feel bad for some
of these basketball players where you could go to school
for one year. It's like, hey, when I walked last month,
Bruce Brown was there. We were walking and I walked
up to me. I said, man, dude, proud of you, man,
because basketball is a completely different animal as far as
how long you got to stay in school, and you
(34:37):
could be so far away from getting a college degree
once it's all said and done, and have the success
and be able to get into the NBA and go
win a championship, But it doesn't mean that you're going
to want to go back to school later on in life.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
Ron has been a significant signing today at running Back.
We'll talk about that as well as other observations from
day one. A Manastory Minichev coming up next
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