06-10-25 KOA Sports Hour 3 with Orlando Franklin

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
And Ryan Edwards, Orlando Franklin five six six nine zeros
or Kawai Comas Spirit Health text line. Rockies baseball coming
up at the top of the hour. They're kicking off
a series against the Giants. Hopefully they can bounce back
after a rough series against the Mets JK.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
Dobbins.

Speaker 1 (00:15):
The Broncos sign a new running back today, and though
Sean Payton didn't want to talk about him, Brandon Jones,
Broncos safety, had something to say about it.

Speaker 3 (00:25):
Yeah, he's a.

Speaker 4 (00:26):
Good back, especially when healthy.

Speaker 5 (00:28):
We kind of go back a little bit and high
school and college, so I'm very familiar with him as
a person man.

Speaker 4 (00:33):
His game on the field, Yeah, he was a baller.

Speaker 5 (00:36):
He's one of the running backs that had, you know,
the better rushing.

Speaker 3 (00:39):
Games against this last year. So I'm super excited for
him to bear.

Speaker 1 (00:42):
He did wonder if the good games that he had,
and he had some good games, especially early on in
the season. The Broncos saw him run for ninety six
yards against them and a touchdown in the only meeting
he saw because he was on IR I think the
other time that they played at each other.

Speaker 6 (01:00):
Yeah, that was that was the game the Chargers got
ahead like twenty twenty one or twenty four to nothing.

Speaker 1 (01:07):
YEP, ended up well twenty three. Uh, they ended up
warning twenty three to sixteen.

Speaker 6 (01:10):
They said they got had twenty three nothing and Broncos
came back a little bit and obviously in the fourth quarter.
So yeah, I mean, I think I think Bronco fans
should be excited about JK. Dobbins now being here in Denver.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
What is because I know we're also very excited about RJ.

Speaker 3 (01:26):
Harvey?

Speaker 1 (01:27):
Is this just is this timeshare? Is that what we're
talking about here? Running back by committee is? I think
it's have your cake and eat it too, Okay. I
think that, you know, JK. Dobbins is brought in to
kind of help accelerate some things for RJ. And you know,
I believe Arjie is going to be a great back

(01:49):
for the Denver Broncos and and I think that they're
going to coach him up. But it's the off schedule
things that j K. Dobbins now will have the ability
to help them with, whether that's blitz pick up or hey,
when the pocket does pick up, break down, it's scrambled, Joe,
what's the thought process? Or hey, just kind of you know,

(02:10):
ride in that offensive line into the screen game or whatever,
some of the things that RJ hasn't done. You know,
he talked about wanting to be able to showcase his
hands after being drafted, and you know, you see didn't
really use them as that They used them as a
perid rusher. So for me, I think it's more about
being able to have your cake and eat it too.
Where we have this young back and we really really

(02:31):
believe in them, but now there's this other guy out
there that could be really really well, like really really
good for our whole entire football team and create a
nice little friendly competition in that room as well. How
does this elevate your expectations of the offense signing?

Speaker 3 (02:45):
JK.

Speaker 6 (02:46):
Dobbins, Oh, I think they're again everything on paper, sure,
but I think they're a lot better in the running
back room. They're better right now on the what is
today the tenth of June. Uh, they're better in the
running back room than they were in January or late January.

(03:07):
You've ad you've added a guy that has been a productive,
I mean really productive back.

Speaker 3 (03:15):
He's been a back that.

Speaker 6 (03:16):
Could run with power again when healthy, and he's explosive
enough that he can step out of tackles and he
can he can go. He's he's a I mean, he's
a rare combination.

Speaker 3 (03:29):
He's a power back.

Speaker 6 (03:30):
To me that that has the feet you look I
mean when I think when you judge backs, the first
thing you look at is their their footwork and their
ability when they get to the line of skirmage. Can
they make a quick decision, put their foot in the
ground and get positive yards? And then do they have
the ability sometimes because you're gonna you know, defenses are

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going to win from time to time, either they win
their individual matchup or they win from a schematic standpoint
where they get a free run. And can you're running back,
not every time, but can your running back occasionally make
a free runner in that designed run hole? Miss? Can

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he either making miss? Can he run through an arm tackle?
Can he turn a six yard gain into an eighteen
yard game? And I've seen JK. Dobbins do that and
I've seen RJ. Harvey do that on the collegiate level.
So my take would be that the running back room
has exponentially gotten better. And I think it's I mean,

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I think it's going to be an exciting training camp
to tell you the truth.

Speaker 4 (04:37):
You know, you look at last year for him, right,
I mean with the injury and with the style of
football that tough, you know, grit your tea, get downhill
and we're going to run in between the tackles. Average
four point six yards per carry last year and did
a heck of a job. You know, it got banged up,
but that was the most amount of carries he saw
in his whole entire career, one and ninety five attempts

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last year. Even before that, like with exception to the
twenty twenty three season where it gets hurting, it only
has eight carries that year, averaging two point eight yards.
You know, the year before that, it's five point seven.
It's six point oh the year before that. Right, So
you got a guy that comes in his rookie year
that has over one hundred attempts and averages six point oh.

(05:19):
So this is a guy that really kind of understands
it and has been getting better and better each and
every year. Now. I believe having RJ here gives him
the luxury now where you're not going to be relied
on as much, and hey, you know what it's going
to be who does have the hand in certain situations,
but he brings a certain skill set to the Broncos

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where I know Sean Payton's going to have you know,
eight to ten plays on that call sheet where hey,
I wish I knew what number he's going to be
went for the Broncos, but it's going to be a JK.
Dobbins has to be in the game for these plays.

Speaker 2 (05:56):
No, I completely agree with that.

Speaker 1 (05:58):
I wondered about the past stuff because I got thirty
two catches last year and it feels.

Speaker 2 (06:05):
Like based on some of his because he.

Speaker 1 (06:08):
Does have some short, airy quickness, I know that his
biggest thing is his physicality in running. Fifty two catches
went to Javonte Williams last year.

Speaker 2 (06:16):
Now that we have JK.

Speaker 1 (06:17):
Dobbins here in the fold, how do we re rack
that number those targets in the running back round?

Speaker 6 (06:22):
I wouldn't think, all due respect to Javante, I think
the number of opportunities and catches that he had last
year that if you put JK. Dobbins in a similar
situation that you would say, I don't think he makes

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that catch. I think you could count those on one hand.
So most every catch that Javonte Williams had last year
is a catch that JK. Dobbins can make. I mean,
whether it's a swing pass or check down or what
have you. There's a couple of catches that come to
mind where Javonte showed really good hands. I mean kind

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of over the shoulder catch. Not the backs aren't capable
of doing that, but it would you remind me more.

Speaker 3 (07:12):
Of like, Okay, that's a receiver.

Speaker 6 (07:14):
It's kind of a natural catch for a receiver. But
the thing that I think Bronco fans can hold onto
is when the ball is checked down to Dobbins, He's
got some ability not to try to run through the
middle of your forehead's He can make guys miss and
then run with power and that checkdown, which last year

(07:37):
maybe went for four or five yards, occasionally this fall
I think can go for fifteen to eighteen yards because
of JK.

Speaker 3 (07:46):
Dobbins's ability, no doubt.

Speaker 4 (07:47):
But I also do believe but that we have to
add in the factor of Evan Ingram because if Evan
Ingram's health beyond the Broncos in twenty twenty four, there's
no when held Javonte Williams catches fifty plus passes.

Speaker 3 (07:59):
That's a good point.

Speaker 4 (08:00):
It just doesn't happen, right, So you're not going to
the checkdown game as much, right. Evan Ingram brings a
dynamic where hey, bo three step drop, you're firing that thing,
You're getting the ball out of your hands, where last
year the Broncos would get in like that third and
you know, five to eight and you're hoping it goes

(08:20):
down the field. But now it ends up becoming a
checkdown situation. So I think just better tight end play
is going to really rewrack and the running back room
as far as catches and how we allocate those catches.
So I think that we're going to see kind of
like maybe even like a third of the passes that
we saw go to the running backs last year, they
just don't. They don't happen anymore.

Speaker 1 (08:42):
Yeah, today we got to see you having Ingram out there,
and he looks phenomenal. I think it's a really great
point you bring up. I think a lot of the
quote unquot checkdown or some of the design underneath route
stuff that's going to probably end up going more to
the tight end because you have that dynamic player out there.
It was kind of a weird day out there, because
the very first pass Bonix hit Corlan Sutten down the

(09:02):
left side line for a really big gain over Iley Moss,
and then it felt like they were trying out some
things and maybe that's just a mandatory mini camp thing.
I don't know, maybe you no, I know that, and
I'm not reading too much into it. I don't I
don't really subscribe to the Bonix had an off day,
even though Benjamin Albright' like to frame it that way

(09:25):
on Twitter today, I don't know if it's that case
because and maybe you guys can speak to it more.
When there's something like that, like an off day for
the offense, is that, Hey, we're trying some things out.
We're seeing how the receivers respond to this look, or
we're seeing how the quarterback responds, and like, how much
of that is real? How much of that is actually

(09:45):
stuff that we, as Meeta just don't even know is
going on.

Speaker 3 (09:48):
No way to know.

Speaker 6 (09:49):
I mean, everything you said could be true. I mean,
they might have wanted to try a few things out
just to take a look at them, especially in the
red zone. Might have just been on a particular play
or maybe a couple of plays that an individual defender
beat the offensive player, whether it's a corner come and

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a receiver or safety covering a tied end. I mean,
you know that that could happen. So there's there's no way,
no way to know.

Speaker 4 (10:20):
And usually defensive players are usually juiced up, you know, like, hey,
ota is mandatory mini camp. Whatever the like, it is
mandatory mini camp. So there's that extra of like that
they're bringing. But as an offense, you gotta find like
you're you're stuck between a rock and a hard place.
I know, offensive linemen, that's what I played my whole

(10:42):
entire career, and that was one of the things that
I hated about mandatory mini camp because you had the
other side of the ball that was going to go, go,
go and get after, where I can't really go, go,
go and get after until we put on the shoulder
pads and I know your shoulders are protected, right, And
like I'm not coming with you know this six hundred

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on three hundred with the double team, like I'm not
giving you everything I got, but you put another defender,
like another team, a guy with another jersey in front
of me, like I'm going to try to absolutely dominate you.
I'm going to try to demoralize you, but I'm not
going to do that to my teammates in certain situations.
But I also think that when you're trying out things
and you put in a new guy like that becomes

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really really hard for the quarterback and it could really
throw offense off just having one guy out there, but
especially when you're trying something new out as well.

Speaker 1 (11:33):
Well, I felt like some of the guys, like some
of the off target stuff were players that bo Nix
is not typically throwing too, right, I mean, he's he's
targeting some tryout players.

Speaker 2 (11:45):
I thought hat Brian had another really nice day.

Speaker 1 (11:47):
He kind of touchdown passing the red zone, which is
really great to see, went up and high pointed at
the back of the end zone. Lucas Croll got a
touchdown in the red zone as well. With first team offense,
they closed the day strong. The one constant though, and
I was thinking about you, Dave, no Devon vle today,
So the offense being a little disjointed, maybe like looking
a little bit out of sorts.

Speaker 3 (12:07):
No Devon.

Speaker 2 (12:08):
Maybe it's a coincidence, Maybe it's.

Speaker 3 (12:10):
No go figure that you Devon.

Speaker 6 (12:13):
You You've come a long way Ryan, there.

Speaker 2 (12:16):
You go again.

Speaker 1 (12:18):
You you could you could say it's a coincidence or
you just acknowledge what is happening in front of your eyes.

Speaker 2 (12:24):
And the offense looked.

Speaker 1 (12:26):
Like they didn't have the safety valve player, the player
that Bonix likes to look for. And you know, I
just we're in the room with a guy that played
the position maybe knows a thing or two about wide
receivers a little.

Speaker 6 (12:47):
I'm proud that you've come around a little bit on Devon.
I mean you've you've come around. I tried to help
you last year.

Speaker 3 (12:57):
But you know what, I was always a You have
quick learners and then you have others. Did you have me? Yeah?

Speaker 6 (13:03):
First to give you, you were not always a fan.
I'm not letting you get away with that. I was
always a fan.

Speaker 2 (13:09):
I was always a fan.

Speaker 6 (13:10):
I'm having a Kumbaya moment. But you were not always
a fan. You did not think that Devon Vley. You
poopooed the idea of the notion that Devon Vley could
develop into a number one receiver at things can be
true to your Dave, Oh they can't. You either believe
that he could or you don't believe that he can.

(13:30):
And you didn't believe that he could.

Speaker 1 (13:33):
Could you be a fan of a guy and say
that he's going to be a good player for you
and then yet not know if he's ever going to
be a wide receiver one?

Speaker 6 (13:39):
I think those are two different conversations of all. First
of all, you were not a fan of his last year.
They've got receipts.

Speaker 3 (13:44):
I'm not a fan of this. Well, you might have.
You might have got one of those recently, you know,
But no, man, I.

Speaker 6 (13:54):
Think that I'm when you look at the additions that
this has made in the offseason. From just from an
offensive standpoint, they've done some things on defense too. It's
a pretty exciting time. I realize it's on paper. I
don't get too hyped up about OTAs. I really don't
nice because you start from my standpoint, you start thinking

(14:16):
about football again, getting ready. I'm more of a training
camp guy. What do you see in training camp? What
do you see in the first preseason game? And then
who's playing with what group? Then you try to put
yourself in the mind of the coaching staff, like, Okay,
why are they playing that guy with that group? Maybe
there's something going on. I mean, all those little storylines

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that we can coct in our little pea brains.

Speaker 3 (14:40):
So I'm looking forward.

Speaker 6 (14:41):
But if you look at what they've added on offense,
I cannot think of the last time that I would
go into a camp. I mean since Peyton Manning, since
it was announced that Peyton Manning is signing, I'm like, whoa, what,
how exciting is.

Speaker 4 (14:59):
That you weren't excited for the fifty runs and throwing
the ball eight times?

Speaker 6 (15:04):
Well, I was excited for you because I knew that's
what you wanted to do. I had never met an
offensive lineman then want some passes. It's like bro lean forward,
rock Ford, put little white new knuckles and go short
in somebody's neck. But since Manning got here, I can't
think of another year that I would be more excited
on paper with what the Broncos have done on offense,

(15:25):
I think like.

Speaker 4 (15:26):
It's going to be so interesting to see how it
all unfolds, because like they really have found a way.
This is the first time I feel that the Broncos
truly have some real depth and they can make some
real noise. I agree, like absolutely, take the top off.
It's no longer this what are we Whether they're going

(15:47):
to be like, I think you're going to see the
identity of this football team in week one, where the
years before I'm waiting until like week five weeks ago,
I still have no idea exactly what the identity is.

Speaker 2 (15:59):
I mean, feeling bullish and very excited.

Speaker 1 (16:02):
I mean, could this be a season, as you mentioned, manning,
for the first time in over a decade, where we're
talking about the offense as a strength, as in, maybe
the identity of this team is not just the defense.

Speaker 6 (16:13):
Yeah, I think, or no, I think if you're going
to have I think they believe they're a competitive playoff team.

Speaker 3 (16:25):
Now there are goals to achieve.

Speaker 6 (16:28):
You want to have a home playoff game, you want
to beat the Chiefs when the AFC what, They're all
sorts of things that they want to do. But I
think if you're going to be a playoff caliber team
and that anything can happen, very few teams go into
that with like one side of the ball that is
basically horrific. The only one I can see recently is Cincinnati, right,

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I mean, and they've got a world class thrower, two
world class ball catchers in a really good running game.
But so yeah, I think I think the Broncos offense,
at least on paper, has closed the gap and should be.
I think they believe they should be considered on a
par with what their teammates are doing on the defensive side.

Speaker 4 (17:10):
Yeah, at the end of the year, who knows. And
I feel that about all three phases to be honest
with you guys, because they've created depth where guys are
going to have to look at that offense and say, man,
how do I make this team.

Speaker 3 (17:21):
I gotta go play all four special teams.

Speaker 4 (17:23):
I got him be a guy that coach says, we
have to have him on this team because of what
he does, not on offense, not on defense, but what
he does on special team. So and when you get
a football team like that, at the end of the year,
you could look at all three phases and see how
they kind of competed against each other. But they have

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certainly closed the gap on offense and on special teams,
being that the defense was the high point of this
football team last year.

Speaker 1 (17:50):
That was a cool moment earlier today with Brandon Jones
when he was speaking in the media because he was
talking about the difference from last year with Bonix to
this year, and he says they they even norse on
the defensive side of the ball. He's reading what they're
doing and reacting way more than just figuring things out.
And he said, you can tell on the defensive side
of the ball when a guy's just trying to figure
it out and trying to do what he do what

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he can to just not make a lot of mistakes
versus actually reading and watching what they're doing back there.

Speaker 2 (18:18):
And I thought that was sort of a fascinating point
that he brought up. I mean that we've noticed.

Speaker 4 (18:22):
Is that like Prena like, is he talking a little
bit more about prestap And he's like.

Speaker 2 (18:26):
He's like, they're reading. He's like, he's reading what we're doing.

Speaker 1 (18:29):
Nice.

Speaker 2 (18:29):
He's like he wasn't doing that last year. I was like,
hey man, that's yeah, that's pretty excited.

Speaker 3 (18:33):
That's what you want. I mean, that's what you want
from your quarterback.

Speaker 4 (18:36):
So I praise from a safety that's been in this
league for a long time and it's seen a lot
of quarterbacks.

Speaker 2 (18:40):
He had this really cool thing to say about John A. Baron.

Speaker 3 (18:42):
I like this, yeah, super smart.

Speaker 5 (18:44):
I would say that's the first thing, especially from the rookie,
you always ask a lot of questions as a rookie,
but he kind of asked the right questions, very eager
to learn. Super athletic obviously, you know, representing Texas well,
you know, you got to throw that in there. But
he's been a great day. I don't think like he's
a kind of like a Swiss army knife. He can
kind of play anywhere. So it gives a defense a

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lot of freedom.

Speaker 6 (19:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (19:07):
I dug that, man, this was army knife being able
to give the defense freedom.

Speaker 1 (19:11):
And you know what, when he said he asked the
right questions, and Dave, we've referenced this before. That was
what everybody was saying about pastor ten when he got here.
They said it, well, he asked the right questions.

Speaker 3 (19:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (19:22):
I mean, I think everybody's excited about Jade Dave barn
Where will the Broncos play him? Everybody talks about his versatility.
You know, he can do a lot of different things,
and I think you can be real creative when you
have guys like Baron, whether he's at the Nickel slot,
whether he's outside. Maybe Moss at times will be inside.

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But it gives you, it gives you an ability to
sort of mix and match who you want. I mean,
normally speaking, teams have their two corners and they have
the nickel nickel corner and he's the guy that's going
to play all the time.

Speaker 3 (19:57):
Well, offenses know that too.

Speaker 6 (19:59):
So if you want to get not that they don't
have a set lineup, who's your nickel receiver, because they
do the slot receiver. But if you want to get
a certain player on a different defensive back, well then
if the nickel corner is always the same guy, you
got a better chance to do that. Well, now with
a guy like Jade Baron, I mean he doesn't have

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to play inside, he can play outside. And guys like
that they can play both inside and outside and cover
wide receivers. And also is I mean at least a
Texas he was good in the running game. He was
not afraid to come up, whether he had to set
an edge or whether they had to come up, and
what I call plug and play the box. He's the
guy that would get you on the ground. Right when

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the Broncos go dime this year, it's gonna be scary.
You're gonna have no idea where it's coming from.

Speaker 1 (20:45):
It's gonna be a lot of fun, all right, We'll
come back with that conversation next.

Speaker 2 (20:53):
Five six, six nine.

Speaker 1 (20:54):
Zeros or Kawai cospreel text line A couple of texts.
Here your weekly. This show needs a live feed text
thank you for that. I also need the live feed
to see Ryan wear flannel in mid June and Dave
either wearing a night shirt or overalls shirtless.

Speaker 2 (21:08):
Of course, we'll see.

Speaker 3 (21:11):
What we can do. To see what we can do, You're.

Speaker 2 (21:14):
Gonna one of the overalls to the studio.

Speaker 3 (21:16):
We'll say that. Okay, just said see what we can do.

Speaker 2 (21:19):
Okay, sounds good. I thought this is an interesting text.
Is it just me?

Speaker 1 (21:23):
Or did the Broncos or do the Broncos have a
thing for previously injured players?

Speaker 3 (21:28):
Just you? That was one of the options.

Speaker 1 (21:33):
It's just one of the options. Like like who, well
you think about their off season signings. Drake Greenlaw, Telenoah
Hufanga and now JK. Dobbins all examples of guys that
have had that were very good players at times but
have dealt with injuries.

Speaker 3 (21:47):
Yeah, you know what, you know what I was right,
it's just you. Yeah, thought football was at sport.

Speaker 4 (21:54):
There was like like I remember going into seasons like
hoping like hey, Okay, like I could deal with like
a broken finger. I could deal with these location like
I don't want to get like an a c L.
I could deal with like a greade, you know to
MCL's brain because I get back on the field in
a couple of weeks.

Speaker 6 (22:09):
I mean, who would you say, in Broncos history, would
be the single biggest veteran free agent ever signed.

Speaker 3 (22:18):
The big right good free agent or bus You.

Speaker 6 (22:22):
Just said the same thing about him, Yeah, coming off
next surgery, and he.

Speaker 1 (22:26):
And the Broncos drafted broncost Well in the same year
as a bit of a hedge, didn't they.

Speaker 3 (22:33):
I'm trying to think, wait a minute, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (22:35):
That's the draft. That's the draft the same year.

Speaker 3 (22:39):
I oh, no, if it was a hedge, but I say,
I don't. I don't remember. Yeah in a hedge either. Second,
I know he was draft from the second round, the trade.

Speaker 1 (22:47):
Back twice to get Derek Wolfe, and then they use
one of those picks to go get Bronck oss Wower.

Speaker 6 (22:54):
Well, yeah, I would I would say that. No, I
don't think there's any I mean, they have signed three
veteran free agents that have had to battle their way
through injuries for sure. But normally, if you're a if
you're a free agent, you're a veteran who's proven you

(23:15):
can play in the league and you haven't had any injuries,
your team's not going to.

Speaker 3 (23:21):
Let you go anywhere.

Speaker 4 (23:23):
Yeah, I mean those guys are usually getting read up
in September October.

Speaker 3 (23:27):
Would you sign Joe Burrow if he were under stick
to free agent? Here? Feel pretty good about it that
way too. Yeah, an injury, well do you say, Okay,
what about same thing?

Speaker 2 (23:38):
Fair?

Speaker 3 (23:38):
All fair?

Speaker 1 (23:40):
There's there's an understanding what the NFL is and I
think it's your point, right, I mean, everybody gets hurt.

Speaker 2 (23:45):
Everybody does get hurt.

Speaker 1 (23:47):
There are players though, that it seems to happen more
often or have quote unquote injury history, and so to
the point of the texture, there's a reason probably that
these guys are available free agency.

Speaker 2 (24:00):
But it is a bit of a gamble.

Speaker 1 (24:01):
I mean, we've we've had that conversation before, whether it's
these players or otherwise. You go into free agency and
you're getting a player, and there's usually a reason why
the team is moving on, whether it's performance or because
they couldn't relatively stay healthy. But the Broncos, they view
that they have sort of figured some things out in
that department, have they, And they think, hey, we're worth
the gamble on these.

Speaker 2 (24:22):
Players because of the upside that they bring.

Speaker 4 (24:24):
And also I think the Broncos also bet On and
I could speak truly to this, they are a first
class organization when it comes to that training room as
far as how they prepare guys, how they get them
back from injury, and just working at it and elevating
it each and every day and not really rushing a

(24:45):
guy into something and working hand in hand with the
weight room staff. I think they do one of the
better jobs in the league. Like I know that we
don't hand out awards every year, but I've been to
other organizations where it's an absolute joke. As far as
being in the training room and Yurek banged up, and
and who's seeing you, and how they write up your

(25:07):
rehab program, the Broncos do a heck of a job
with just mapping it out and really knowing when to
push a player versus when to kind of ease back
and get a player to you know, hey, he needs
a little bit more rehab or a little bit more
white room work.

Speaker 1 (25:23):
Well, Okay, so that you're saying that's more of an
organizational thing. What I've always wondered this, why is that
not standardized? Why why you're you're scoffing? But I mean
that like I left the Broncos and.

Speaker 4 (25:35):
Went to the Chargers, and the guy that was at
the Chargers who was the head athletic trainer, learned from
the Bronco guy and did it completely the opposite of James.

Speaker 3 (25:45):
Yeah, and it was I couldn't believe it.

Speaker 1 (25:48):
Like I look about medicine like health and safety and
the things that you think you could standardize.

Speaker 2 (25:54):
I'll tell you that Ellion Dollar organizations.

Speaker 4 (25:56):
With the Broncos like Steve Antonopolis, and he was here
for what weren't decades, and I remember he had to
be in his late sixties, maybe even in his early
seventies when I got here in twenty eleven. And every
single person, whether it was the starting quarterback or the
backup punter, Like if you got hurt and you showed
up in the training room the next morning, Greek assessed you,

(26:19):
Greek talked to you before you started your rehab.

Speaker 6 (26:22):
Drake just texted and said, please tell Orlando that by
his math, I would be in my mid eighties. What
actual blank and hey old school Luigi.

Speaker 3 (26:34):
He looked, he looked a little older guy said, now,
I think I did a good job.

Speaker 6 (26:40):
Orlando's right, I mean, and I would want to make
sure I say this the right way. I think things
have changed since Sean Payton took over in the medical
way that the Broncos approach things.

Speaker 2 (27:03):
And so.

Speaker 6 (27:05):
I mean Bo Lowry is and Sean brought him in
after working with him in New Orleans.

Speaker 3 (27:11):
I mean Bo is in essence over.

Speaker 6 (27:15):
All of the training staff and the medical staff, I believe.
So I think to Orlando's point, I think it just depends.
I mean, there is all sorts of pressure from NFL
coaching staffs and at times front office, but coaching staffs

(27:37):
in particular, and I'm not saying it doesn't have to
be that way to a certain extent, but they're trying
to get their guys back in the field as fast
as they possibly can. And sometimes players don't think they're
quite ready to go, and a medical staff, with knowing

(27:58):
what they know and the pressure involved, staff is saying listen, man,
you're ready. And sometimes the medical staff is right. The
player just has to work through some hurdles in his
own mind. The medical staff is not always right. So
I think it just depends on the sort of the
mindset of the head coach and how much clout does

(28:21):
he have in the organization. Here's how I want things done,
and I think we've seen that change over the two
years of Sean Payton's been here. Look look at the numbers.
Look at the numbers. The Broncos are very proud of
the fact that they had I don't know if if
they had the fewest season Indian injuries, but their medical

(28:41):
numbers have improved the last couple of years.

Speaker 1 (28:46):
They absolutely have, and they to the point of pride
at the end of the year. Sean Payton goes out
of his way to make sure we point that out.

Speaker 2 (28:53):
I just and maybe that's.

Speaker 1 (28:55):
The answer, right, is more to do with the coaching
staffs than it is with the doctor in the trainers.

Speaker 3 (29:02):
I think they go. I think you're right. I think
they go hand in hand.

Speaker 6 (29:05):
I think the doctors and trainers I've never I've known
two handfuls of orthopedic doctors that work for a particular
NFL team, whether in Cleveland or here in Denver. I
know a couple that work outside of both of those markets,
and there is just an innate pressure felt.

Speaker 3 (29:28):
That we need to do what we need to do
to get that player back on the field.

Speaker 4 (29:33):
Everybody wants their players back, right, I mean, and there's
a reason why the second string is the second string
and the first string is the first string. But you
have to as an organization. I think Dave hit it
right on the head because it all has to come
together and the head coach kind of has to sign
off on these things and truly believe in the way

(29:55):
that you're going to approach it. And there are certain
situations where you do. The guy. Back when I was
here with the Broncos, I missed one game in four
years and I thought I was not ready to come back,
and we played Indianapolis and Broncos gave up. We gave
up seven tags and Chris Cooper was definitely not ready
to come back.

Speaker 3 (30:14):
At that point.

Speaker 4 (30:15):
And I remember walking off the field in Indye and
Steve Antonopolis coming up to me saying, Hey, like, you're
gonna go next week. I want you to show up
every day with a positive attitude and I promise you
will be ready. And I just believed them, like and
I was ready. I got it out there and I
was back and I thought this this injury was gonna

(30:37):
take me two or three weeks. So there is that
certain time that you have to push, but certain organization.
It's all about push, push, push, pust push because I
gotta get back on the field.

Speaker 1 (30:51):
To Jack Corgan, Jersey Shimmel, Carral, Rockies, they take it
on the Giants tonight's than of course Field had a
weird night though, because the NBA and the NHL are
both off. We're in the midst of the finals staves
and that's it.

Speaker 2 (31:07):
It's just this is nothing, nothing going on tonight.

Speaker 1 (31:09):
I mean, I don't want to sound like a spoiled
sports fan, but you go through the process of the
playoffs and when you have it seemed like every single
night we had NBA or NHL and sometimes both, and
now you got nothing.

Speaker 3 (31:23):
It's so you're not gonna watch the w NBA game
schedule to uh be on ESPN tonight, Ryan.

Speaker 2 (31:29):
Once again, there's really nothing on.

Speaker 3 (31:31):
Not fired up. I'm fired up.

Speaker 2 (31:33):
I mean I watched the Rockies.

Speaker 3 (31:34):
I don't want to see.

Speaker 2 (31:37):
Is an Angel Rees playing tonight too?

Speaker 1 (31:39):
Are you just really what is the CESPN? Are you
trying to sell every single thing they do these days,
like they're trying to sell me.

Speaker 3 (31:45):
That wouldn't be, That wouldn't be.

Speaker 6 (31:48):
They're working really hard on selling women's basket, Yes, they
really are.

Speaker 4 (31:52):
I'm gonna be watching Do You Ate You Hockey tonight?
That's what I'll be watching him come seven fifteen? Is
your son playing?

Speaker 3 (31:58):
Yeah? You guys practice tonight that night.

Speaker 4 (32:00):
So very interested in that more than anything that's on
the tube.

Speaker 2 (32:04):
Okay, fair enough, fair enough. You're you're a bit of
a hockey guy. What do you think, Dave? Are you Rockies?

Speaker 3 (32:11):
Are you going to be w n b A. I
will watch the Rockies. I don't think I'm gonna watch
the w n b A game. I'm watching Mobland. Oh
I've heard good things about that. It is.

Speaker 6 (32:27):
It's riveting, Yeah, mob Mobland, Tom Hardy one man, you
were talking about Tom Hardy?

Speaker 3 (32:33):
Oh yeah, yeah, Mobland is on. Yeah that's the one.
I thought it was a gay Yeah, that's the one
I was talking about that I was. I was saving
it right, I was a bunch of idish fellas.

Speaker 4 (32:45):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yep. I'm waiting for the whole thing.
Is it done yet?

Speaker 6 (32:49):
I don't think so. Because I'm gonna go on. They
we're still in like year number one. Yeah, I'm not
even sure how many how many years they have, but
I'm gonna I'm gonna finish all of them.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
Do you ever watch Peaky Blinders?

Speaker 3 (33:01):
Yes? So good?

Speaker 6 (33:03):
Yeah, that that had some moments that are similar to
what we see in Moblin.

Speaker 4 (33:06):
I think I'm gonna That's what I'm gonna do on Sunday,
Father's Day when I take my day, I'm gonna watch.

Speaker 3 (33:11):
Mobline on Helen Mirren. Isn't it.

Speaker 6 (33:14):
Who's the guy that used to be in the James
Bond Pierce Brosmen?

Speaker 3 (33:19):
Oh, isn't it. I mean they've got a good cast
for sure.

Speaker 1 (33:23):
All right, man, why again, I don't need to check
it out because you've you've recommended it, and you've been
pretty spot on.

Speaker 3 (33:29):
I mean, Devon Veley is an example of the thing
that nice. I've come around and you know what, Proud
of you, Proud of you.

Speaker 1 (33:35):
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Speaker 6 (33:44):
We all started to and out except me, except for
Dave Early, it's only Tuesday.

Speaker 2 (33:50):
It's time Giants and Rockies.

Speaker 1 (33:53):
Giants favored by two and a half over under eleven.
My goodness, gracious gott a of course, field Ben is
taking the Rockies in the under beyonder.

Speaker 2 (34:05):
Nick is taking San Francisco in the under the yonder.

Speaker 3 (34:09):
Oh give me san Francisco.

Speaker 1 (34:11):
Going under beyond, give me the Rockies and the under.

Speaker 3 (34:18):
Anybody taking the over?

Speaker 2 (34:19):
Nobody's taking the over eleven and a half.

Speaker 3 (34:22):
It's a pretty big although after one day I'm two
behind the lead.

Speaker 2 (34:28):
You chase, you to chase on a Tuesday.

Speaker 6 (34:30):
No, okay, I don't think it's gonna go over. I'm
gonna go under eleven and a half beyonder. I'm gonna
take the Gosh, two and a half runs is a lot.
I'm gonna take the Giants, oh minus the two and
a half.

Speaker 3 (34:46):
I hope you're wrong. Let's go because you picked the
Rocks that's trying to build that lead.

Speaker 2 (34:53):
Thank you, Zach Seegers. Appreciate your help today. Good job, Orlando.
There's a lot of fun as.

Speaker 4 (34:57):
Always as enjoyga Glass, appreciate it, Dave, my friend will
see tomorrow's round.

Speaker 2 (35:03):
Good Plentifordo.

Speaker 1 (35:04):
We got rockies and giants coming up next on Kobe
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