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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Dave Logan, Ryan Edwards, Snick Ferguson and shootio, what up?
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Nick?
Speaker 3 (00:04):
What's going on?
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Man?
Speaker 4 (00:06):
I'm not it's good man. The other day of practice
got a lot to I got to see Jay Dobbins
in person.
Speaker 3 (00:11):
Which is yes, there was a lot of conversation about that.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
Again, a lot of conversation about that. Dave, my friend,
good to see you, see you guys too. Of course,
a little bit of a letdown as we see JK.
Dobbins out there stretching and the media of course swarming
around the stretching area waiting for him to do some
individual work and then he went over to the other
practice field and some conditioning.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
I really enjoyed that. Why did that take place?
Speaker 4 (00:35):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (00:35):
Man?
Speaker 4 (00:36):
We as media are watered up and down the side light.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Like wait, where's ky? Where'd you go?
Speaker 4 (00:39):
Where do you go? And then we all see him, okay,
all right, because everyone's try.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
At first, the conversation.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Was what number is he wearing? Twenty seven?
Speaker 5 (00:48):
Yes, twenty seven? There were two twenty seven's at practice.
I don't know if one defense one offense. Yes, So
the exchange I wonder what that conversation is going to
be like and what's it gonna take for Domins to
officially get that number?
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Well, JK said after practice to the media that he
quote unquote gave a little something to to Murray and
he is going to be twenty seven.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
He gave a little something m Cash. Well, yes, the
question is all the bills, y'all?
Speaker 4 (01:20):
How much?
Speaker 5 (01:21):
And I'll ask you the question, does it really matter
what number you are as a player that doesn't have
to carry with you every place that you go, you
down another number and just make that number a thing.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
I mean, obviously for some guys, right, I mean back
in the day, you sort of just took what number
was in your locker. But I think there's some guys
now that whether it's superstition or what have you. But
I wonder how much that I would say that was
probably a ten thousand dollars number. Only ten. You're a
(02:02):
greedy bastard. I'm just saying, that's only if I gave
you ten for twenty five. You wouldn't give me twenty five? No,
I was for twenty five. No, I wouldn't. I wouldn't
do it.
Speaker 5 (02:13):
What about twenty I'll consider it now? Now we see, Now,
now we're going back and forth. Now we don't just
go ahead and wear twenty five. Okay, well, I guess
you must. You must have ten thousand. I mean must
not a d ten thousands, couldn't use it. But you
need this number more than I need it.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
You are agreed. Is part of your identity. Hey, if
you've been on that, you're gonna be without ten thousands.
You'll be without it. I guess a lot of groceries
king super so so Zach.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
We got two drops there from Dave Dollar Bill's y'all
we gotta get that one and then you're a greedy bastard.
I think those two need to like get into rotation.
Speaker 5 (02:52):
Almost to me, why are you so ahead of the
greedy bastard one?
Speaker 4 (02:55):
That was pretty good. It was the way he said it.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
You just got you're a greedy pastard. I think we
can use that, especially when you're on the show.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
Wow, what's party? What's party side of you?
Speaker 2 (03:12):
You know?
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Greedy or the basket part?
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (03:14):
Who's one?
Speaker 5 (03:16):
Because I mean you are always you guys can't see
Ryan right now?
Speaker 2 (03:19):
You credit from ear to ear.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
He loved that greed basket might.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
Be the flannel there's really it's another hot day out
there cloud today. Yeah, cloud cover came in late, Yes
it did, but.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
We were out all morning. Uh it got a little toasty.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Little toasty, you're I mean, how'd your all right? You
got like a lot of water breaks on stuff like that,
or I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
I mean you you kids have to drink water. We
did have a couple, uh two or three throwing out,
but that I mean that happens. You just got to
make sure you don't get so overheated. You gotta be careful.
But part of you know, part of the beauty of
football is you got to you got to find a
way to get into shape, so you.
Speaker 5 (04:06):
Can never tell if someone throws up, that's did that
a magic of honor?
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Well, I never wore a badge out on him because
you never threw up because you were always a shape.
Speaker 5 (04:15):
So it's always someone else who threw up. You go, like,
we got us one right, that would so that we
are moving in the right direction.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
On the number thing, you know, superstition, I think some
of it, there's I've seen several examples. One is tied
to maybe a family member, right, Oh my dad wore
this number, that type of thing, or I wore this
number of high school and reminds me of a family
of those kinds of things. But yeah, superstition seems to
be a pretty significant one.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
I'm trying to think the JK. Diddams were twenty seven
at Ohio State. I think I think it might have
been a single digit like apply or something, you know what.
Speaker 5 (04:52):
I believe you're right, Yes, I think he didn't wear
twenty seven until like.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Ravens Ravens and maybe the Charges and did not you
were number two and then Ray Rice for twenty seven
with the Ravens. I believe so, yes, And it is crazing.
Speaker 5 (05:07):
Those are two similar body style type of guys and
they run the same.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
So Dobbins, I think it's a little bit like taller,
a little a little tallness.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
So yeah, and he's wore twenty seven with the Ravens,
with the Chargers, now with the Broncos. He uh, there's
some really good stuff with Sean today. Sean Sean was
Sean was on one very vocal at practice. I don't
know if you caught in onto that, but he was
both sides of the ball in a teaching way. It
wasn't it like a like I'm upset or anything. Like
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an animated coaching. Well, I know, but it's like there's
sometimes and this is just my perspective on this, And
I appreciate Sean for this because he does coach both
sides of the ball. But when you're a specialist on
one side of the ball, you you tend to be
a little more animated with that side of the ball
and the other one. It's like, yeah, you know, I
got defensive coaches to handle that stuff, but he was.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Co the defense. I mean, I think it's just the opposite. Really, OK.
I think I think you are more animated with one
side of the ball. But like I I go back
to Mike Shanahan, uh and Nick played for him. Mike
Mike was not that Mike couldn't be vocal with the offense,
but Mike Mike was vocal with the defense.
Speaker 5 (06:22):
Here's one thing I learned being around coach Shanahan posts
my professional career, and the idea is that to be
a great coach, you just can't be fixated on your
side of the ball. You have to know how to
coach every aspect of the game. And being as though
I refer back to my time coaching with San Francisco
(06:43):
Kyle learned that from his dad. Even though he's known
as being an offensive minded coach, he came into the
defensive meetings.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
He wanted to know how was being coached.
Speaker 5 (06:52):
So when he saw something that didn't go well on
the field, he knew exactly the type of questions to answer.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
And I can tell you those heads says will always
hot come game day.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Mike was all about what Nick just said. Mike was
all about knowing every aspect of the game, the defense,
what was going on a special teams, and then he
I mean I thought he was always really good at
coaching his coaches and occasionally you know, I remember, I
(07:23):
mean I didn't well, I did play for him early
in his career, but Nick played for him as a
head coach. I covered him as a head coach. He
could get very, very vocal from standing behind the defense,
watching what the defense was doing on a particular play,
coverage wise, alignment wise, running to the ball wise. I
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mean he was He coached the defense a lot. That's
because how he came up. That was his coaching through
Bill Walsh.
Speaker 5 (07:54):
You have to know everything about the game itself, and
when you pay a teno the game in that way,
like Dave is talking about, you know how to defend
certain things, because you only get better from an offensive
standpoint if you're getting the proper looks in practice. So
if a guy's supposed to be in man coverage, how
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you communicate kate that from one side to the other.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
If you can't really do that, that becomes problematic.
Speaker 5 (08:22):
So he wants to make sure not only players know
what they're doing, but the coaches as well.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Definitely got that sense, especially today. But here is Sean.
We'll get through some of these cuts. Here Sean talking
about the addition of JK.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Dobbins.
Speaker 6 (08:35):
Look, I said it before, right, I said, And it
was a week ago. Another good football player, another good
football player, and we're interested in those guys, and so
we'll see how it unfolds. No set roles, yet we
feel like we know who the player as.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Well, always loves.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
I absolutely love it is what he absolutely he has
to say. He has to say these.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Things because those kinds of words get interpreted through the
media and into the locker room.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
And then if he says, yeah, JK.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Dobbinson is our starter, Like if he just stood up
there and said, hey, you see how much we're paying
this guy. You know what he's done in the league.
He's got more experience than anybody else in this locker room.
Speaker 5 (09:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
JK.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Dobbinson is our starter, and boy, this is tough news
for Rodrick Estimate.
Speaker 5 (09:24):
You know what goes back to in the NFL, there's
this phrase that everyone knows we're gonna treat everyone fair
but not equal. It's like when the team signed John Lynch.
I'm back at Georgia Tech trying to finish up my degree.
I get a phone call while I'm in class from
a three h three area coach.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
So I gotta hands to the call. It is David Gibbs,
my dB coach.
Speaker 5 (09:45):
So he goes into the story of explaining to me
what's taking place. Well, we're bringing someone to lets you know,
we're bringing John in and you guys will have an
opportunity to compete for the starting position.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
And I said hold on, yeah, right, I said, hold
on for a second.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Bowl champion John Lynch.
Speaker 5 (10:01):
Right, thank you for calling me, but let's keep it
one hundred. We're not competing for anything, right. You know
you're going to insert him into the starting lineup, and
you're just telling me because I started the back half
of the games.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
And so you just want to let me know going
in what to anticipate.
Speaker 5 (10:17):
It's like, come on, come on, man, Even with coachhn
Is saying right there, I mean, you can read between
the lines of what's going to happen.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
I mean, you got RJ.
Speaker 5 (10:27):
Harvey who you drafted, You bring another guy who's RJ.
Harvey type. You already have guys on your roster who
you watched play last year. If they played well enough
to give you enough confidence, you would have made this move.
So at some point there's going to be a change
that happens. But I'm just letting you guys know for
right now you're on even ground. When we come back
from training camp.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Not so much.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Let me ask you some a Dave and I was
thinking about this after we talked to Ian on Monday,
because I asked him about the Nick Chubb deal with
the Texans and how it seemed like it came together
very fast, and he said that's not the case.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
They actually been working on this for months. Do you
feel the JK.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Dobbins signing was as a result of the Broncos taking
a look at the running back room today or yesterday
and saying we need more or was this maybe something
that was in the works. This wasn't a snap judge
judgment decision based.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
On Hey, RJ.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
Harvey is okay, we're not really happy with Audric and
so on and so forth. Do you think this was
more of a month several month long process, Yes, okay
to both.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
I think again, you and I have talked about this
several times since the end of the season. One of
the things that coaching staffs do is they go back
and they self scout their own team. I mean, there
are plenty of things that they're tasked to do during
the offseason, but they're still watching a lot of film.
(11:57):
And I think if you go back and look at
how this team played offensively last year, they and I
said this, I've said this for months. They left yardage
on the field with respect to the efficiency of their
running back room. So when your offensive line grades out
as high as they did, your running game should I mean,
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it should be commiserate with the kind of play you
get up front. And I don't necessarily think it was.
It's not a crack at the guys that were here
last year. It's just me being real in terms of
going back and looking at every single game and saying, man, man,
I mean there were plays to be made that just
didn't get made. So with that in mind, they've addressed
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it in two different ways. They've gone about it. In
the draft, drafted a real productive, young, talented back in
the second round that sort of fits the mold of
what Sean Payton likes. And then when JK. Dobbins became available,
they set up a meeting with him, and when they
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didn't get signed, right off the bat, we both said,
I wouldn't read that this thing is a dead deal
because he didn't get signed. I just think you have
upgraded the room now to where you've got a proven
veteran back and a really talented, albeit unproven rookie back.
(13:28):
Did you feel like you could go into the season
without a guy like JK Dobbins with RJ. Harvey and
everybody that was here last year? And I think the
answer to that was, we could, but we don't really
want to if there's an option, and I think the
option in this case was JK Dobbins.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
Who's RB one.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
I think that will be determined. I think if I
had to guess, it would be Dobbins. But I think
it'll be determined in camp. It'll be determined on you know,
even in camp, everybody's got to stay healthy. And then
I think there's different ways to grade your backs. Could
there be a first and second down back? Could there
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be a third down back? Is RJ. Harvey going to
take several steps forward in blizz pickup in pass protection
because he's going to have to. JK. Dobbins is a
proven commodity in this league. He's a guy that has
proven both with the Ravens and the Chargers. When he's healthy,
he can run between the tackles. He's got enough speed
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and quickness you get outside, he's got enough power and
agility to break tackles. He's a very good player. Twenty
six years old. He's not old either. So I think
the running back room took a couple of huge steps forward,
at least on paper going into training camp.
Speaker 5 (14:50):
This is a one A one V for me and
then there's everyone else. And the reason being is because
you go back to Dobbins being in Baltimore. This is
where I like to start because you think about those
Baltimore teams, physicality, those are the huge things about it,
not just in the game, with the practice itself. Bringing
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that type of physicality and mentality to the Denver Broncos
offense is something they truly need.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
Last year everyone.
Speaker 5 (15:19):
Was talking about, Okay, well the Broncos couldn't run the
ball because it was solely on the running backs. For me,
I don't see it totally like that. I mean, you
can rest that issue on the show does play calling
offensive line at time and some on the running backs.
You're not going to have that issue this year. And
then the style of running that each guy brings. That's
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the thing that is so important to me because it's
reminiscent to my time here with the Broncos having multiple
running backs, like I know some teams are used to
just one Bell Kyle running back and you just ride
that guy like the Emma Smith. The game has changed
because the season has been extended to where it is.
Physicality is change to where it is now. You need
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running backs who fit that particular mold. And once again
I go back to the body types. That was something
that was being talked about and whispered at practice. Well,
the Broncos running backs are not really big massive guys.
You're you're tallest guy is all you guessimate at five
to eleven, and I'm like, see, you're looking at it
the wrong way. As a guy who had to tackle
running backs, that guy who had that lower center of gravity,
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it's harder.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
To tackle that guy.
Speaker 5 (16:27):
And I don't know if you watch these guys thighs,
I mean these I said, yes, okay, well they are
thick low body right in the first.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Let me just interrupt you because today, I mean, we
had practice today. Ryan was at camp and then he
texted me about the thick law body. No, he didn't
say that, but it was specifically about RJ. Harvey's thighs. Interesting.
Once you're very attentive, like I told you at practice today.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
I said, thick with two c's.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
I know that'sh I see see hey, that's thick, thick
with it right. That tells me for Ryan, that's just
how he spells.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Just tell me that could run.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
Through tackle New Mexico education. Yes, we do the best
we can. The emphasis disease, Well, Dick, you know I
can't deny this. I really want to frack and just
be like, that's absolutely not true.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
But the more I track on it, the more it's
gonna have pretty pretty.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
Obviously just set into it. He just just live, live
in the moment.
Speaker 4 (17:32):
He has impressive quads and thighs.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Yes, and and and then just what a quad is exactly?
You can't have impressive quad and thighs.
Speaker 4 (17:44):
I was gonna run.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Like saying the man that dude has a big head
and saying, man, that dude has a big melon.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
Same thing.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
Yeah, yeah, so yes, and the uh, the contact balance
of the off these running backs is very impressive.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Now, don't get too carried away with that. I feel
like Sean Payton now scolding the media because nobody can
really hit out there now, so they're not They're not
a hell of a lot of contact. It's just a
little bit of thud, a little bit of there ain't
no contact going on. There's no pads. That's coming later.
Watching RJ.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
Harvey and College, you could tell here that is a
fact good contact.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
That is a fact f ACCT.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
This was a great answer from Sean on what Dobbins
adds to locker room.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
We're interested in what he can do on the field.
Speaker 6 (18:40):
One thing about the NFL locker room, it's hadn't changed
and it never will. All Right, come on in, if
you can help us win, we want you here and
if you can't, all right, we probably want you to leave.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
And I'm talking from a player's perspective. That's true, that's
that's a fact.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
Locker room is the same as always, always has been.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
I think that particular idea. I mean, guys in the
locker room looking guys and they're like, can this guy
play or not? Is he gonna help us or not?
And they see him practice, it's like, oh, okay, he's
gonna be one of those. They welcome those guys. I remember,
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even going back in the day, right, we had a
wide receiver that was drafted sort of later in my career,
high high draft choice, like the highest Washington training camp.
The other veteran wide receiver walked up to me. We're
standing there watching, you know, watching seven on seven or whatever,
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watching run routes, and about the fourth route, he looked
over at me and said, can't play.
Speaker 4 (19:56):
WHOA after four?
Speaker 2 (19:59):
And you know what, I knew. I knew he was
absolutely right. So you go out and do your thing,
but you you know what the league calls for, you
know what, and then you know what some guys you
look at him, are like, can't play. So I think Sean,
I think Sean's right.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
Usually you wait for training camp.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Well he was in training camp. Women. You get the
pats on. Yeah, I think the.
Speaker 5 (20:23):
Guys in catching passes across the middle and throwing their
hands up. But once you put the pads on, that
changes everything. And once you put your body on him
and you don't feel that that solid contact, then you
go back to the huddle and say, we got us
one in the opposite direction.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
He could hear a cat sip of milk from one
hundred yards go across the middle, and back in those
days that that could be a very dangerous place to
go in there. You had you had to want to
go in there and do your thing and let everything. Hey,
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whatever y'all bring, you gonna be right here. Because it's
stick up in the middle. D H I C C.
Speaker 4 (21:06):
We're off and only on Wednesday we got all sorts
of fun stuffs to get to the NBA Finals.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Is back.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
I can't believe. It feels like it's been one hundred years,
but it is back. Tonight's look forward to talking about
that coming up here in a little bit. Sean Payton's
love letter to Pat Bryant. You're not gonna miss this.
This is fantastic. We'll get to it.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Next bills, y'all. It's good.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
That's good. That's an old, old school R and B
dollar bills. Y'all, it's good.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
I like it.
Speaker 5 (21:42):
You are greedy best, all right, you can alul too
hard over there. I'm just it was funny snapping your
knee and rubbing your stomach. I mean it wasn't that funny.
Speaker 4 (21:57):
It was really funny.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
This this text, by the way, was all funny. How
are you fellas? Humpty got myself some poontine this morning?
All is right in the world.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
So what poutine?
Speaker 5 (22:06):
Okay, that's the Canadian thing with fries and mayo, and
your fries are gravy, right, Look at.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Why are you looking at me?
Speaker 5 (22:15):
I mean you're well travel guys. So I've never been
to Canada. Well, I mean you kind of close being
in Cleveland.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
True, yes, true, that's true, but I know I have
never been across the border. M M poutine. We did
have a texture three h three nine oh seven as
a sophomore to wrap home many years ago. We had
to run a mile before practice. We ran it around
the goal post. Well, I threw up captain crunch if
one of the goal posts. Found about lap six that
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made more than a couple of other players do the
same things. Yeah, Captain, crunch might not be the ideal
breakfast before you practice.
Speaker 5 (22:54):
No is, it's coming up both Captain and the crutch,
maybe even to Neil.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
Another one here Ryan for you seven four seven, Oh,
how are you? Fellas hump Day? Got myself some poontine
this morning. All that's right in the world. Good, you know,
just for me. Got the potatoes and the beef and
and the graty.
Speaker 4 (23:15):
Nothing like it, nothing like it.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
You look like a poutine type of guy.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Is that what it was like?
Speaker 4 (23:22):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Why?
Speaker 5 (23:23):
Why?
Speaker 4 (23:23):
Why do why would you say something like that?
Speaker 3 (23:27):
What you were a flannel?
Speaker 2 (23:28):
I mean.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
That says a lot.
Speaker 5 (23:32):
I mean it goes back to just being outdoors of
the type of Look, you got a beard, you drink
pumpkin spice lays. It's like it goes together.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
It's part of the meeting for I'm just sitting this
one out because because you know what, I'm enjoying.
Speaker 4 (23:47):
Jermaine Pride, by the way, just signed a one you're
deal with the Raiders.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
So were you hoping that he signed with the Broncos.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
No, not necessarily, but being in in division, Zach, if
you don't mind putting that down real quick, Nope, traffic,
there you go. I didn't want him in division if possible,
but you know, sort of is what it is. If
the Broncos were going to bring him in, just run
through his chest. I mean, if I had the choice
of the two, I take JK. Dobbs over Jermaine Pratt.
Then I think Jermain Protte we talked about a couple
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of days ago, is like, hey, the inside linebacker and
some concerns about injuries and so on and so forth.
I don't know, do you, Dave, do you feel like
we missed out on Jermaine Pratt?
Speaker 2 (24:24):
I honestly would have to go back and look at
a lot more of Jermaine Pratt. I could give you
the standard Bs answer of you know, he's a really
good player, but I haven't seen enough of Jermaine Pratt
on tape to have an opinion that would be valid.
So I do think. I do think Drew Sanders is
(24:46):
kind of the wald card for the Broncos at that position,
and I think they feel like they're very anxious to
see what this young guy can bring this year. Inside.
Speaker 5 (24:58):
I'm gonna say, Adam believe the Broncos missed out on
Pratt because of Standers, and that's based on his athleticism.
So now there's a lot that we have not seen
from Drew Sanders, but it is based on the projections.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Of what he could be.
Speaker 5 (25:15):
I mean when you watch me at practice, he moves
around very well for a guy in a man of.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
His sage, he's very ethletic.
Speaker 5 (25:21):
Now, if he can put that together and understanding what
it takes to be a middle linebacker here in this
particular defense, that changes so much for the Denver Broncos.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
There's this moment where in the first team period, Jermaine
Pratt was out there with the first team defense and we.
Speaker 4 (25:39):
All had a moment of like, what is going on?
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Not Dremae Pratt?
Speaker 4 (25:43):
Sorry, Drake Greenlaw, you got Pratt or the brain Huh?
Speaker 2 (25:46):
I just read it again.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
Drake Greenlaw was out there with the first team defense
and we all kind of wait, what is going on here?
Speaker 2 (25:54):
And then he you know, subbed out.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
And he was just in there for the call. But
there was a brief moment of like, dude, is he
wait wait, because he's got the quad what are we
even doing here? And by the way, JK. Dobbins, even
though he practiced or conditioned, he did his conditioning work
over the other field.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
He did hang out with the.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Offense during the team periods in the seven and seven
and all that, so he just didn't really he just
didn't take any reps. And I guess probably that's to
be expected. I And we do have practice tomorrow. Did
you hear Sean Payton talking about he was asked if
we're going to practice tomorrow?
Speaker 4 (26:29):
This was this was classic good good job by Cliss asking.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
Sean confirming you are practicing tomorrow?
Speaker 6 (26:34):
Right, Yeah, what's the confirmation? Well, no, there's no sugar days.
The sugar days went away in eleven twenty eleven.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Yeah, had a few.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
Uh, I got it.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
I got was a salt day, no sugar at water.
What's going on with this group? I mean, I'm telling
you one, uh.
Speaker 4 (27:04):
Steeve, like, what's wrong with your people?
Speaker 1 (27:07):
But historically the last day you Fanjio, Nathaniel Hacketts, I
think you even missed.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Joseph. Hey, listen, Mike. Mike used to go bowling from
time to time of that last day. Sure did, But it's.
Speaker 4 (27:21):
Not a sugar day. It's a salt day.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
I think it's only an hour practice though, so I
can send thirty to eleven thirty something like that.
Speaker 5 (27:28):
Who was to say that the salt practice cannot be
a sugar practice at the same time, you just said
it's it's a very short practice within itself, and you
grant players that based on how well they performed from
ota so mini camp. There's nothing wrong with doing that, David.
If you ever did that for your players, it would
(27:48):
I mean, in this case, using Sean Payton's were a
sugar day.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
Where you cut back a little bit.
Speaker 5 (27:58):
Yeah, are you taking them out to day like a
team activity day.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
Yeah we've done that. Yeah, We've absolutely done that.
Speaker 4 (28:06):
I listen. I don't have much of an issue with
the field day.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
There are some people in town that otherwise will kind
of bark at the Broncos for taking a day off
when they can actually be practicing. I don't think it's
really that much of a big deal, even for Sean
in this case, if he wants to sort of sort
of give it a hard time, I just think look
at his bonding like it's just bonding opportunities. But in
the end, and don't make fun of me this for this, Dave,
(28:31):
but too late in the end, it come out of
it healthy, like whatever whatever you do the last thing.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
I mean, there's only so many injuries that you can
sustain while bowling. Well, so it's not it's not like
their activity is going to be jumping out of an airplane, right,
or you know some like that, like water skiing.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
For example, Lucas Kroll went up and and high pointed
a catch and landed on his hip during practice, and
he got up and he was kind of hobbling and rubbing.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
On his hip about him practice. Yes, well, I mean
that's listen. I mean, you try to control everything Goodness knows,
and this will be the I mean, this will be
the old school NFL guy. But I mean they do
everything they possibly can these days to keep guys healthy, right,
I mean you do it at some point, have to
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get ready to play professional football. So yeah, I mean
I'm good with it.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
I'm perfectly fine.
Speaker 5 (29:35):
You're salt well, salt sugar, honey, where you want to
call it, I'm perfectly fine with it.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
Did you bring your own honey to the practice?
Speaker 6 (29:43):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (29:44):
Yes, he used to do that, sure did.
Speaker 4 (29:47):
But now I know what that means. I know what
a honey packet is?
Speaker 3 (29:50):
So what so what does it mean?
Speaker 2 (29:51):
Pleasing you don't?
Speaker 1 (29:55):
No?
Speaker 3 (29:57):
No, my ears up?
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Oh boy, please Rod Smiths, what.
Speaker 4 (30:02):
In some detail, group some detail, what.
Speaker 5 (30:07):
Rod explained to you what the honey pack is. That's
kind of Rod's day. This is something entirely different, right,
we're talking about in the team shuts you get married?
Speaker 2 (30:20):
Uh two thousand and seven? Okay, is there anything else
to that?
Speaker 4 (30:26):
Dave?
Speaker 2 (30:26):
Yeah, okay, I'm waiting. I mean I'll get back to you. Okay,
go ahead, go ahead, run right right right, hasn't nothing
he has? Do you think you know what the sugar
pack is?
Speaker 3 (30:38):
He thinks he knows what it is?
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Yes, what is it?
Speaker 1 (30:46):
Pat Brian, who had a fabulous day out there at
Broncos Minatory minie Ca, will get some other thoughts as well.
Speaker 4 (30:52):
On the defense, they had a really nice day too.
We have Rockies Baseball come up tonight six o'clock.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
Dave, I'm sure just me. Last night was so miserable.
Speaker 5 (31:04):
I mean.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
They had like three different opportunities to win that game.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
So well, yeah, you you added some runs in the eight,
you made it a five to two game. Put yourself
in a great spot. You brought in your closer. I
goes back. I mean, he's he's your closer in uh
four runs. It's just the season has been just so unbelievably.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
Awful. And then I mean something like this would happen
to you'd be like, oh, we're almost we're almost getting
used to it. It's almost become the norm to give
up like four in the ninth to lose the game.
So I don't know, man.
Speaker 5 (31:56):
You know, it becomes bad, and it starts to with
the fan base and even with players. When you think
about this game against the Giants, it personifies the Rocky
season up.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
To this point.
Speaker 5 (32:10):
There's a moment where you say there's a glimmer of hope,
only to watch it just fades away and you're right there,
you were kind of one inning away, you got the
game to guess, and then it just falls apart.
Speaker 4 (32:22):
They've done everything right. I mean, they done everything right.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
Pump Quish only went four innings, but then Bird came in,
he got five strikeouts.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
He was really good uns and then Halberston was great,
kind Lee.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
I mean, everybody did their job to get this first
win against the Giants, and then Agnos. It just it
felt like I think you said it right, Dave.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
I mean, in any other season, randomly losing a game
like this, that's going to happen. But because of who
they have been, this just becomes one more piece of
that kind of deal.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
They have twelve and fifties three or twelve and fifty. Okay.
Speaker 5 (33:01):
This is of stuff that breaks your back because you said, well, yeah,
you struggle earlier in the season against teams that you
shouldn't have won beaten, and now you're in this position
where you're playing another team that you're saying, well, listen,
we're playing great baseball when the pitching is great, the
hitting is great, starting to come into our own only
to watch it fall into your hand, like saying, you
(33:24):
have to wonder what's going through the minds.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
Of these players. Is they think can we actually dig
ourselves out.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
Of this hole?
Speaker 2 (33:31):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (33:31):
And the insurance runs there in the eighth, I thought
that that was a great sign, you know.
Speaker 4 (33:35):
I was like, hey, man, this is what you do.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
This is what you're not a good baseball team, but
this is what.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
A good baseball team would do. You'd add some insurance
runs and give yourself a little bit of runway, specially
at home, especially at home.
Speaker 4 (33:46):
You guys are six and twenty six at home now.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
Which tells you they've won three road games. Well, six
road game. I mean, so that by itself is also wild.
We talk about representing at home and winning your home
field matchups and opportunity. How many people they have? Was
it ever announced? Yeah, I was announced. It didn't look
I mean, Washington TV didn't look like was it more
(34:11):
than twenty four thousand? It didn't look like it. But
I'll bet, well I shouldn't bet. I don't know.
Speaker 4 (34:16):
Twenty four or five fifty three.
Speaker 3 (34:17):
Okay, doesn't that sound about average? Is it not?
Speaker 2 (34:22):
It's beautiful evening, it's it's no, they're averaging. Yeah, a
little more than that, I think. Yeah, they are a
little more than twenty fourth Outland. I think they're closer
to twenty six something on the season, maybe right at
twenty seven, maybe they are.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
Twenty eight five, twenty eight, okay, fifteenth their right smack
dab in the middle of the league. Twenty eight five
on the season. Well, once again, it's it's great ballpark,
sure is.
Speaker 4 (34:52):
Three times.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
Stop saying that. I mean, it's just fating it. What
you mean a lie. Yes, yeah, yes, it is a
great ballpark.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
Yes it is.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
We know that.
Speaker 4 (35:05):
You can tell him to stop saying it.
Speaker 3 (35:07):
Stop saying to Dave. Everyone, let's just stop saying it.
Speaker 5 (35:10):
It's a great ballpark, right, just a line to me,
tell me, tell me something else, because we know that's there.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
But can we cling to something else other than it's.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
A great bike. What do you got any ideas? Hanand
Goodman hrd. Goodman has had a really good years, a
really good year. I just there you go by the
way a lot there you go.
Speaker 4 (35:31):
Ryan d just called him up here. Yes it looks promising.
Speaker 5 (35:34):
Yes, so let's start talking about some of the promising
production from the player standpoint instead of the ballpark.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
The twelve fifty four.
Speaker 4 (35:42):
I know, Dave, I know, Dave.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
What in the actual hell? But try to.
Speaker 4 (35:47):
Find it's twenty eight twenty eight thousand people go down there.
Speaker 3 (35:51):
I'm trying to find a silverl liner here. Help me out,
because you gotta stop talking about the ballpark.
Speaker 4 (35:56):
I don't. I'm the ballpark is the silver lining. It's gorgeous.
Miss tonight's going to be lovely too.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
And the night after that, and so on and so forth.
Speaker 4 (36:07):
They gave tomorrow in case anybody wants to go check
it out.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
It's hot up there.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
All right, we'll come back. Paburi was great today. Sean
Payton talks all about it.
Dave Logan, Ryan Edwards, Snick Ferguson and shootio, what up?
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Nick?
Speaker 3 (00:04):
What's going on?
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Man?
Speaker 4 (00:06):
I'm not it's good man. The other day of practice
got a lot to I got to see Jay Dobbins
in person.
Speaker 3 (00:11):
Which is yes, there was a lot of conversation about that.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
Again, a lot of conversation about that. Dave, my friend,
good to see you, see you guys too. Of course,
a little bit of a letdown as we see JK.
Dobbins out there stretching and the media of course swarming
around the stretching area waiting for him to do some
individual work and then he went over to the other
practice field and some conditioning.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
I really enjoyed that. Why did that take place?
Speaker 4 (00:35):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (00:35):
Man?
Speaker 4 (00:36):
We as media are watered up and down the side light.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Like wait, where's ky? Where'd you go?
Speaker 4 (00:39):
Where do you go? And then we all see him, okay,
all right, because everyone's try.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
At first, the conversation.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Was what number is he wearing? Twenty seven?
Speaker 5 (00:48):
Yes, twenty seven? There were two twenty seven's at practice.
I don't know if one defense one offense. Yes, So
the exchange I wonder what that conversation is going to
be like and what's it gonna take for Domins to
officially get that number?
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Well, JK said after practice to the media that he
quote unquote gave a little something to to Murray and
he is going to be twenty seven.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
He gave a little something m Cash. Well, yes, the
question is all the bills, y'all?
Speaker 4 (01:20):
How much?
Speaker 5 (01:21):
And I'll ask you the question, does it really matter
what number you are as a player that doesn't have
to carry with you every place that you go, you
down another number and just make that number a thing.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
I mean, obviously for some guys, right, I mean back
in the day, you sort of just took what number
was in your locker. But I think there's some guys
now that whether it's superstition or what have you. But
I wonder how much that I would say that was
probably a ten thousand dollars number. Only ten. You're a
(02:02):
greedy bastard. I'm just saying, that's only if I gave
you ten for twenty five. You wouldn't give me twenty five? No,
I was for twenty five. No, I wouldn't. I wouldn't
do it.
Speaker 5 (02:13):
What about twenty I'll consider it now? Now we see, Now,
now we're going back and forth. Now we don't just
go ahead and wear twenty five. Okay, well, I guess
you must. You must have ten thousand. I mean must
not a d ten thousands, couldn't use it. But you
need this number more than I need it.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
You are agreed. Is part of your identity. Hey, if
you've been on that, you're gonna be without ten thousands.
You'll be without it. I guess a lot of groceries
king super so so Zach.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
We got two drops there from Dave Dollar Bill's y'all
we gotta get that one and then you're a greedy bastard.
I think those two need to like get into rotation.
Speaker 5 (02:52):
Almost to me, why are you so ahead of the
greedy bastard one?
Speaker 4 (02:55):
That was pretty good. It was the way he said it.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
You just got you're a greedy pastard. I think we
can use that, especially when you're on the show.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
Wow, what's party? What's party side of you?
Speaker 2 (03:12):
You know?
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Greedy or the basket part?
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (03:14):
Who's one?
Speaker 5 (03:16):
Because I mean you are always you guys can't see
Ryan right now?
Speaker 2 (03:19):
You credit from ear to ear.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
He loved that greed basket might.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
Be the flannel there's really it's another hot day out
there cloud today. Yeah, cloud cover came in late, Yes
it did, but.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
We were out all morning. Uh it got a little toasty.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Little toasty, you're I mean, how'd your all right? You
got like a lot of water breaks on stuff like that,
or I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
I mean you you kids have to drink water. We
did have a couple, uh two or three throwing out,
but that I mean that happens. You just got to
make sure you don't get so overheated. You gotta be careful.
But part of you know, part of the beauty of
football is you got to you got to find a
way to get into shape, so you.
Speaker 5 (04:06):
Can never tell if someone throws up, that's did that
a magic of honor?
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Well, I never wore a badge out on him because
you never threw up because you were always a shape.
Speaker 5 (04:15):
So it's always someone else who threw up. You go, like,
we got us one right, that would so that we
are moving in the right direction.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
On the number thing, you know, superstition, I think some
of it, there's I've seen several examples. One is tied
to maybe a family member, right, Oh my dad wore
this number, that type of thing, or I wore this
number of high school and reminds me of a family
of those kinds of things. But yeah, superstition seems to
be a pretty significant one.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
I'm trying to think the JK. Diddams were twenty seven
at Ohio State. I think I think it might have
been a single digit like apply or something, you know what.
Speaker 5 (04:52):
I believe you're right, Yes, I think he didn't wear
twenty seven until like.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
Ravens Ravens and maybe the Charges and did not you
were number two and then Ray Rice for twenty seven
with the Ravens. I believe so, yes, And it is crazing.
Speaker 5 (05:07):
Those are two similar body style type of guys and
they run the same.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
So Dobbins, I think it's a little bit like taller,
a little a little tallness.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
So yeah, and he's wore twenty seven with the Ravens,
with the Chargers, now with the Broncos. He uh, there's
some really good stuff with Sean today. Sean Sean was
Sean was on one very vocal at practice. I don't
know if you caught in onto that, but he was
both sides of the ball in a teaching way. It
wasn't it like a like I'm upset or anything. Like
(05:39):
an animated coaching. Well, I know, but it's like there's
sometimes and this is just my perspective on this, And
I appreciate Sean for this because he does coach both
sides of the ball. But when you're a specialist on
one side of the ball, you you tend to be
a little more animated with that side of the ball
and the other one. It's like, yeah, you know, I
got defensive coaches to handle that stuff, but he was.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Co the defense. I mean, I think it's just the opposite. Really, OK.
I think I think you are more animated with one
side of the ball. But like I I go back
to Mike Shanahan, uh and Nick played for him. Mike
Mike was not that Mike couldn't be vocal with the offense,
but Mike Mike was vocal with the defense.
Speaker 5 (06:22):
Here's one thing I learned being around coach Shanahan posts
my professional career, and the idea is that to be
a great coach, you just can't be fixated on your
side of the ball. You have to know how to
coach every aspect of the game. And being as though
I refer back to my time coaching with San Francisco
(06:43):
Kyle learned that from his dad. Even though he's known
as being an offensive minded coach, he came into the
defensive meetings.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
He wanted to know how was being coached.
Speaker 5 (06:52):
So when he saw something that didn't go well on
the field, he knew exactly the type of questions to answer.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
And I can tell you those heads says will always
hot come game day.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
Mike was all about what Nick just said. Mike was
all about knowing every aspect of the game, the defense,
what was going on a special teams, and then he
I mean I thought he was always really good at
coaching his coaches and occasionally you know, I remember, I
(07:23):
mean I didn't well, I did play for him early
in his career, but Nick played for him as a
head coach. I covered him as a head coach. He
could get very, very vocal from standing behind the defense,
watching what the defense was doing on a particular play,
coverage wise, alignment wise, running to the ball wise. I
(07:44):
mean he was He coached the defense a lot. That's
because how he came up. That was his coaching through
Bill Walsh.
Speaker 5 (07:54):
You have to know everything about the game itself, and
when you pay a teno the game in that way,
like Dave is talking about, you know how to defend
certain things, because you only get better from an offensive
standpoint if you're getting the proper looks in practice. So
if a guy's supposed to be in man coverage, how
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you communicate kate that from one side to the other.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
If you can't really do that, that becomes problematic.
Speaker 5 (08:22):
So he wants to make sure not only players know
what they're doing, but the coaches as well.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Definitely got that sense, especially today. But here is Sean.
We'll get through some of these cuts. Here Sean talking
about the addition of JK.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Dobbins.
Speaker 6 (08:35):
Look, I said it before, right, I said, And it
was a week ago. Another good football player, another good
football player, and we're interested in those guys, and so
we'll see how it unfolds. No set roles, yet we
feel like we know who the player as.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Well, always loves.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
I absolutely love it is what he absolutely he has
to say. He has to say these.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Things because those kinds of words get interpreted through the
media and into the locker room.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
And then if he says, yeah, JK.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Dobbinson is our starter, Like if he just stood up
there and said, hey, you see how much we're paying
this guy. You know what he's done in the league.
He's got more experience than anybody else in this locker room.
Speaker 5 (09:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
JK.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Dobbinson is our starter, and boy, this is tough news
for Rodrick Estimate.
Speaker 5 (09:24):
You know what goes back to in the NFL, there's
this phrase that everyone knows we're gonna treat everyone fair
but not equal. It's like when the team signed John Lynch.
I'm back at Georgia Tech trying to finish up my degree.
I get a phone call while I'm in class from
a three h three area coach.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
So I gotta hands to the call. It is David Gibbs,
my dB coach.
Speaker 5 (09:45):
So he goes into the story of explaining to me
what's taking place. Well, we're bringing someone to lets you know,
we're bringing John in and you guys will have an
opportunity to compete for the starting position.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
And I said hold on, yeah, right, I said, hold
on for a second.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Bowl champion John Lynch.
Speaker 5 (10:01):
Right, thank you for calling me, but let's keep it
one hundred. We're not competing for anything, right. You know
you're going to insert him into the starting lineup, and
you're just telling me because I started the back half
of the games.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
And so you just want to let me know going
in what to anticipate.
Speaker 5 (10:17):
It's like, come on, come on, man, Even with coachhn
Is saying right there, I mean, you can read between
the lines of what's going to happen.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
I mean, you got RJ.
Speaker 5 (10:27):
Harvey who you drafted, You bring another guy who's RJ.
Harvey type. You already have guys on your roster who
you watched play last year. If they played well enough
to give you enough confidence, you would have made this move.
So at some point there's going to be a change
that happens. But I'm just letting you guys know for
right now you're on even ground. When we come back
from training camp.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Not so much.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
Let me ask you some a Dave and I was
thinking about this after we talked to Ian on Monday,
because I asked him about the Nick Chubb deal with
the Texans and how it seemed like it came together
very fast, and he said that's not the case.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
They actually been working on this for months. Do you
feel the JK.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Dobbins signing was as a result of the Broncos taking
a look at the running back room today or yesterday
and saying we need more or was this maybe something
that was in the works. This wasn't a snap judge
judgment decision based.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
On Hey, RJ.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
Harvey is okay, we're not really happy with Audric and
so on and so forth. Do you think this was
more of a month several month long process, Yes, okay
to both.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
I think again, you and I have talked about this
several times since the end of the season. One of
the things that coaching staffs do is they go back
and they self scout their own team. I mean, there
are plenty of things that they're tasked to do during
the offseason, but they're still watching a lot of film.
(11:57):
And I think if you go back and look at
how this team played offensively last year, they and I
said this, I've said this for months. They left yardage
on the field with respect to the efficiency of their
running back room. So when your offensive line grades out
as high as they did, your running game should I mean,
(12:23):
it should be commiserate with the kind of play you
get up front. And I don't necessarily think it was.
It's not a crack at the guys that were here
last year. It's just me being real in terms of
going back and looking at every single game and saying, man, man,
I mean there were plays to be made that just
didn't get made. So with that in mind, they've addressed
(12:45):
it in two different ways. They've gone about it. In
the draft, drafted a real productive, young, talented back in
the second round that sort of fits the mold of
what Sean Payton likes. And then when JK. Dobbins became available,
they set up a meeting with him, and when they
(13:06):
didn't get signed, right off the bat, we both said,
I wouldn't read that this thing is a dead deal
because he didn't get signed. I just think you have
upgraded the room now to where you've got a proven
veteran back and a really talented, albeit unproven rookie back.
(13:28):
Did you feel like you could go into the season
without a guy like JK Dobbins with RJ. Harvey and
everybody that was here last year? And I think the
answer to that was, we could, but we don't really
want to if there's an option, and I think the
option in this case was JK Dobbins.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
Who's RB one.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
I think that will be determined. I think if I
had to guess, it would be Dobbins. But I think
it'll be determined in camp. It'll be determined on you know,
even in camp, everybody's got to stay healthy. And then
I think there's different ways to grade your backs. Could
there be a first and second down back? Could there
(14:08):
be a third down back? Is RJ. Harvey going to
take several steps forward in blizz pickup in pass protection
because he's going to have to. JK. Dobbins is a
proven commodity in this league. He's a guy that has
proven both with the Ravens and the Chargers. When he's healthy,
he can run between the tackles. He's got enough speed
(14:29):
and quickness you get outside, he's got enough power and
agility to break tackles. He's a very good player. Twenty
six years old. He's not old either. So I think
the running back room took a couple of huge steps forward,
at least on paper going into training camp.
Speaker 5 (14:50):
This is a one A one V for me and
then there's everyone else. And the reason being is because
you go back to Dobbins being in Baltimore. This is
where I like to start because you think about those
Baltimore teams, physicality, those are the huge things about it,
not just in the game, with the practice itself. Bringing
(15:11):
that type of physicality and mentality to the Denver Broncos
offense is something they truly need.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
Last year everyone.
Speaker 5 (15:19):
Was talking about, Okay, well the Broncos couldn't run the
ball because it was solely on the running backs. For me,
I don't see it totally like that. I mean, you
can rest that issue on the show does play calling
offensive line at time and some on the running backs.
You're not going to have that issue this year. And
then the style of running that each guy brings. That's
(15:40):
the thing that is so important to me because it's
reminiscent to my time here with the Broncos having multiple
running backs, like I know some teams are used to
just one Bell Kyle running back and you just ride
that guy like the Emma Smith. The game has changed
because the season has been extended to where it is.
Physicality is change to where it is now. You need
(16:02):
running backs who fit that particular mold. And once again
I go back to the body types. That was something
that was being talked about and whispered at practice. Well,
the Broncos running backs are not really big massive guys.
You're you're tallest guy is all you guessimate at five
to eleven, and I'm like, see, you're looking at it
the wrong way. As a guy who had to tackle
running backs, that guy who had that lower center of gravity,
(16:25):
it's harder.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
To tackle that guy.
Speaker 5 (16:27):
And I don't know if you watch these guys thighs,
I mean these I said, yes, okay, well they are
thick low body right in the first.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Let me just interrupt you because today, I mean, we
had practice today. Ryan was at camp and then he
texted me about the thick law body. No, he didn't
say that, but it was specifically about RJ. Harvey's thighs. Interesting.
Once you're very attentive, like I told you at practice today.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
I said, thick with two c's.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
I know that'sh I see see hey, that's thick, thick
with it right. That tells me for Ryan, that's just
how he spells.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Just tell me that could run.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
Through tackle New Mexico education. Yes, we do the best
we can. The emphasis disease, Well, Dick, you know I
can't deny this. I really want to frack and just
be like, that's absolutely not true.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
But the more I track on it, the more it's
gonna have pretty pretty.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
Obviously just set into it. He just just live, live
in the moment.
Speaker 4 (17:32):
He has impressive quads and thighs.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Yes, and and and then just what a quad is exactly?
You can't have impressive quad and thighs.
Speaker 4 (17:44):
I was gonna run.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Like saying the man that dude has a big head
and saying, man, that dude has a big melon.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
Same thing.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
Yeah, yeah, so yes, and the uh, the contact balance
of the off these running backs is very impressive.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Now, don't get too carried away with that. I feel
like Sean Payton now scolding the media because nobody can
really hit out there now, so they're not They're not
a hell of a lot of contact. It's just a
little bit of thud, a little bit of there ain't
no contact going on. There's no pads. That's coming later.
Watching RJ.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
Harvey and College, you could tell here that is a
fact good contact.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
That is a fact f ACCT.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
This was a great answer from Sean on what Dobbins
adds to locker room.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
We're interested in what he can do on the field.
Speaker 6 (18:40):
One thing about the NFL locker room, it's hadn't changed
and it never will. All Right, come on in, if
you can help us win, we want you here and
if you can't, all right, we probably want you to leave.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
And I'm talking from a player's perspective. That's true, that's
that's a fact.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
Locker room is the same as always, always has been.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
I think that particular idea. I mean, guys in the
locker room looking guys and they're like, can this guy
play or not? Is he gonna help us or not?
And they see him practice, it's like, oh, okay, he's
gonna be one of those. They welcome those guys. I remember,
(19:25):
even going back in the day, right, we had a
wide receiver that was drafted sort of later in my career,
high high draft choice, like the highest Washington training camp.
The other veteran wide receiver walked up to me. We're
standing there watching, you know, watching seven on seven or whatever,
(19:48):
watching run routes, and about the fourth route, he looked
over at me and said, can't play.
Speaker 4 (19:56):
WHOA after four?
Speaker 2 (19:59):
And you know what, I knew. I knew he was
absolutely right. So you go out and do your thing,
but you you know what the league calls for, you
know what, and then you know what some guys you
look at him, are like, can't play. So I think Sean,
I think Sean's right.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
Usually you wait for training camp.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Well he was in training camp. Women. You get the
pats on. Yeah, I think the.
Speaker 5 (20:23):
Guys in catching passes across the middle and throwing their
hands up. But once you put the pads on, that
changes everything. And once you put your body on him
and you don't feel that that solid contact, then you
go back to the huddle and say, we got us
one in the opposite direction.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
He could hear a cat sip of milk from one
hundred yards go across the middle, and back in those
days that that could be a very dangerous place to
go in there. You had you had to want to
go in there and do your thing and let everything. Hey,
(20:59):
whatever y'all bring, you gonna be right here. Because it's
stick up in the middle. D H I C C.
Speaker 4 (21:06):
We're off and only on Wednesday we got all sorts
of fun stuffs to get to the NBA Finals.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Is back.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
I can't believe. It feels like it's been one hundred years,
but it is back. Tonight's look forward to talking about
that coming up here in a little bit. Sean Payton's
love letter to Pat Bryant. You're not gonna miss this.
This is fantastic. We'll get to it.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Next bills, y'all. It's good.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
That's good. That's an old, old school R and B
dollar bills. Y'all, it's good.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
I like it.
Speaker 5 (21:42):
You are greedy best, all right, you can alul too
hard over there. I'm just it was funny snapping your
knee and rubbing your stomach. I mean it wasn't that funny.
Speaker 4 (21:57):
It was really funny.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
This this text, by the way, was all funny. How
are you fellas? Humpty got myself some poontine this morning?
All is right in the world.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
So what poutine?
Speaker 5 (22:06):
Okay, that's the Canadian thing with fries and mayo, and
your fries are gravy, right, Look at.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Why are you looking at me?
Speaker 5 (22:15):
I mean you're well travel guys. So I've never been
to Canada. Well, I mean you kind of close being
in Cleveland.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
True, yes, true, that's true, but I know I have
never been across the border. M M poutine. We did
have a texture three h three nine oh seven as
a sophomore to wrap home many years ago. We had
to run a mile before practice. We ran it around
the goal post. Well, I threw up captain crunch if
one of the goal posts. Found about lap six that
(22:45):
made more than a couple of other players do the
same things. Yeah, Captain, crunch might not be the ideal
breakfast before you practice.
Speaker 5 (22:54):
No is, it's coming up both Captain and the crutch,
maybe even to Neil.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
Another one here Ryan for you seven four seven, Oh,
how are you? Fellas hump Day? Got myself some poontine
this morning. All that's right in the world. Good, you know,
just for me. Got the potatoes and the beef and
and the graty.
Speaker 4 (23:15):
Nothing like it, nothing like it.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
You look like a poutine type of guy.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Is that what it was like?
Speaker 4 (23:22):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Why?
Speaker 5 (23:23):
Why?
Speaker 4 (23:23):
Why do why would you say something like that?
Speaker 3 (23:27):
What you were a flannel?
Speaker 2 (23:28):
I mean.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
That says a lot.
Speaker 5 (23:32):
I mean it goes back to just being outdoors of
the type of Look, you got a beard, you drink
pumpkin spice lays. It's like it goes together.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
It's part of the meeting for I'm just sitting this
one out because because you know what, I'm enjoying.
Speaker 4 (23:47):
Jermaine Pride, by the way, just signed a one you're
deal with the Raiders.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
So were you hoping that he signed with the Broncos.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
No, not necessarily, but being in in division, Zach, if
you don't mind putting that down real quick, Nope, traffic,
there you go. I didn't want him in division if possible,
but you know, sort of is what it is. If
the Broncos were going to bring him in, just run
through his chest. I mean, if I had the choice
of the two, I take JK. Dobbs over Jermaine Pratt.
Then I think Jermain Protte we talked about a couple
(24:14):
of days ago, is like, hey, the inside linebacker and
some concerns about injuries and so on and so forth.
I don't know, do you, Dave, do you feel like
we missed out on Jermaine Pratt?
Speaker 2 (24:24):
I honestly would have to go back and look at
a lot more of Jermaine Pratt. I could give you
the standard Bs answer of you know, he's a really
good player, but I haven't seen enough of Jermaine Pratt
on tape to have an opinion that would be valid.
So I do think. I do think Drew Sanders is
(24:46):
kind of the wald card for the Broncos at that position,
and I think they feel like they're very anxious to
see what this young guy can bring this year. Inside.
Speaker 5 (24:58):
I'm gonna say, Adam believe the Broncos missed out on
Pratt because of Standers, and that's based on his athleticism.
So now there's a lot that we have not seen
from Drew Sanders, but it is based on the projections.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
Of what he could be.
Speaker 5 (25:15):
I mean when you watch me at practice, he moves
around very well for a guy in a man of.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
His sage, he's very ethletic.
Speaker 5 (25:21):
Now, if he can put that together and understanding what
it takes to be a middle linebacker here in this
particular defense, that changes so much for the Denver Broncos.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
There's this moment where in the first team period, Jermaine
Pratt was out there with the first team defense and we.
Speaker 4 (25:39):
All had a moment of like, what is going on?
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Not Dremae Pratt?
Speaker 4 (25:43):
Sorry, Drake Greenlaw, you got Pratt or the brain Huh?
Speaker 2 (25:46):
I just read it again.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
Drake Greenlaw was out there with the first team defense
and we all kind of wait, what is going on here?
Speaker 2 (25:54):
And then he you know, subbed out.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
And he was just in there for the call. But
there was a brief moment of like, dude, is he
wait wait, because he's got the quad what are we
even doing here? And by the way, JK. Dobbins, even
though he practiced or conditioned, he did his conditioning work
over the other field.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
He did hang out with the.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Offense during the team periods in the seven and seven
and all that, so he just didn't really he just
didn't take any reps. And I guess probably that's to
be expected. I And we do have practice tomorrow. Did
you hear Sean Payton talking about he was asked if
we're going to practice tomorrow?
Speaker 4 (26:29):
This was this was classic good good job by Cliss asking.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
Sean confirming you are practicing tomorrow?
Speaker 6 (26:34):
Right, Yeah, what's the confirmation? Well, no, there's no sugar days.
The sugar days went away in eleven twenty eleven.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Yeah, had a few.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
Uh, I got it.
Speaker 2 (26:50):
I got was a salt day, no sugar at water.
What's going on with this group? I mean, I'm telling
you one, uh.
Speaker 4 (27:04):
Steeve, like, what's wrong with your people?
Speaker 1 (27:07):
But historically the last day you Fanjio, Nathaniel Hacketts, I
think you even missed.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Joseph. Hey, listen, Mike. Mike used to go bowling from
time to time of that last day. Sure did, But it's.
Speaker 4 (27:21):
Not a sugar day. It's a salt day.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
I think it's only an hour practice though, so I
can send thirty to eleven thirty something like that.
Speaker 5 (27:28):
Who was to say that the salt practice cannot be
a sugar practice at the same time, you just said
it's it's a very short practice within itself, and you
grant players that based on how well they performed from
ota so mini camp. There's nothing wrong with doing that, David.
If you ever did that for your players, it would
(27:48):
I mean, in this case, using Sean Payton's were a
sugar day.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
Where you cut back a little bit.
Speaker 5 (27:58):
Yeah, are you taking them out to day like a
team activity day.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
Yeah we've done that. Yeah, We've absolutely done that.
Speaker 4 (28:06):
I listen. I don't have much of an issue with
the field day.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
There are some people in town that otherwise will kind
of bark at the Broncos for taking a day off
when they can actually be practicing. I don't think it's
really that much of a big deal, even for Sean
in this case, if he wants to sort of sort
of give it a hard time, I just think look
at his bonding like it's just bonding opportunities. But in
the end, and don't make fun of me this for this, Dave,
(28:31):
but too late in the end, it come out of
it healthy, like whatever whatever you do the last thing.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
I mean, there's only so many injuries that you can
sustain while bowling. Well, so it's not it's not like
their activity is going to be jumping out of an airplane, right,
or you know some like that, like water skiing.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
For example, Lucas Kroll went up and and high pointed
a catch and landed on his hip during practice, and
he got up and he was kind of hobbling and rubbing.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
On his hip about him practice. Yes, well, I mean
that's listen. I mean, you try to control everything Goodness knows,
and this will be the I mean, this will be
the old school NFL guy. But I mean they do
everything they possibly can these days to keep guys healthy, right,
I mean you do it at some point, have to
(29:26):
get ready to play professional football. So yeah, I mean
I'm good with it.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
I'm perfectly fine.
Speaker 5 (29:35):
You're salt well, salt sugar, honey, where you want to
call it, I'm perfectly fine with it.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
Did you bring your own honey to the practice?
Speaker 6 (29:43):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (29:44):
Yes, he used to do that, sure did.
Speaker 4 (29:47):
But now I know what that means. I know what
a honey packet is?
Speaker 3 (29:50):
So what so what does it mean?
Speaker 2 (29:51):
Pleasing you don't?
Speaker 1 (29:55):
No?
Speaker 3 (29:57):
No, my ears up?
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Oh boy, please Rod Smiths, what.
Speaker 4 (30:02):
In some detail, group some detail, what.
Speaker 5 (30:07):
Rod explained to you what the honey pack is. That's
kind of Rod's day. This is something entirely different, right,
we're talking about in the team shuts you get married?
Speaker 2 (30:20):
Uh two thousand and seven? Okay, is there anything else
to that?
Speaker 4 (30:26):
Dave?
Speaker 2 (30:26):
Yeah, okay, I'm waiting. I mean I'll get back to you. Okay,
go ahead, go ahead, run right right right, hasn't nothing
he has? Do you think you know what the sugar
pack is?
Speaker 3 (30:38):
He thinks he knows what it is?
Speaker 2 (30:40):
Yes, what is it?
Speaker 1 (30:46):
Pat Brian, who had a fabulous day out there at
Broncos Minatory minie Ca, will get some other thoughts as well.
Speaker 4 (30:52):
On the defense, they had a really nice day too.
We have Rockies Baseball come up tonight six o'clock.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
Dave, I'm sure just me. Last night was so miserable.
Speaker 5 (31:04):
I mean.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
They had like three different opportunities to win that game.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
So well, yeah, you you added some runs in the eight,
you made it a five to two game. Put yourself
in a great spot. You brought in your closer. I
goes back. I mean, he's he's your closer in uh
four runs. It's just the season has been just so unbelievably.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
Awful. And then I mean something like this would happen
to you'd be like, oh, we're almost we're almost getting
used to it. It's almost become the norm to give
up like four in the ninth to lose the game.
So I don't know, man.
Speaker 5 (31:56):
You know, it becomes bad, and it starts to with
the fan base and even with players. When you think
about this game against the Giants, it personifies the Rocky
season up.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
To this point.
Speaker 5 (32:10):
There's a moment where you say there's a glimmer of hope,
only to watch it just fades away and you're right there,
you were kind of one inning away, you got the
game to guess, and then it just falls apart.
Speaker 4 (32:22):
They've done everything right. I mean, they done everything right.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
Pump Quish only went four innings, but then Bird came in,
he got five strikeouts.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
He was really good uns and then Halberston was great,
kind Lee.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
I mean, everybody did their job to get this first
win against the Giants, and then Agnos. It just it
felt like I think you said it right, Dave.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
I mean, in any other season, randomly losing a game
like this, that's going to happen. But because of who
they have been, this just becomes one more piece of
that kind of deal.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
They have twelve and fifties three or twelve and fifty. Okay.
Speaker 5 (33:01):
This is of stuff that breaks your back because you said, well, yeah,
you struggle earlier in the season against teams that you
shouldn't have won beaten, and now you're in this position
where you're playing another team that you're saying, well, listen,
we're playing great baseball when the pitching is great, the
hitting is great, starting to come into our own only
to watch it fall into your hand, like saying, you
(33:24):
have to wonder what's going through the minds.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
Of these players. Is they think can we actually dig
ourselves out.
Speaker 3 (33:30):
Of this hole?
Speaker 2 (33:31):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (33:31):
And the insurance runs there in the eighth, I thought
that that was a great sign, you know.
Speaker 4 (33:35):
I was like, hey, man, this is what you do.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
This is what you're not a good baseball team, but
this is what.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
A good baseball team would do. You'd add some insurance
runs and give yourself a little bit of runway, specially
at home, especially at home.
Speaker 4 (33:46):
You guys are six and twenty six at home now.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
Which tells you they've won three road games. Well, six
road game. I mean, so that by itself is also wild.
We talk about representing at home and winning your home
field matchups and opportunity. How many people they have? Was
it ever announced? Yeah, I was announced. It didn't look
I mean, Washington TV didn't look like was it more
(34:11):
than twenty four thousand? It didn't look like it. But
I'll bet, well I shouldn't bet. I don't know.
Speaker 4 (34:16):
Twenty four or five fifty three.
Speaker 3 (34:17):
Okay, doesn't that sound about average? Is it not?
Speaker 2 (34:22):
It's beautiful evening, it's it's no, they're averaging. Yeah, a
little more than that, I think. Yeah, they are a
little more than twenty fourth Outland. I think they're closer
to twenty six something on the season, maybe right at
twenty seven, maybe they are.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
Twenty eight five, twenty eight, okay, fifteenth their right smack
dab in the middle of the league. Twenty eight five
on the season. Well, once again, it's it's great ballpark,
sure is.
Speaker 4 (34:52):
Three times.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
Stop saying that. I mean, it's just fating it. What
you mean a lie. Yes, yeah, yes, it is a
great ballpark.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
Yes it is.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
We know that.
Speaker 4 (35:05):
You can tell him to stop saying it.
Speaker 3 (35:07):
Stop saying to Dave. Everyone, let's just stop saying it.
Speaker 5 (35:10):
It's a great ballpark, right, just a line to me,
tell me, tell me something else, because we know that's there.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
But can we cling to something else other than it's.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
A great bike. What do you got any ideas? Hanand
Goodman hrd. Goodman has had a really good years, a
really good year. I just there you go by the
way a lot there you go.
Speaker 4 (35:31):
Ryan d just called him up here. Yes it looks promising.
Speaker 5 (35:34):
Yes, so let's start talking about some of the promising
production from the player standpoint instead of the ballpark.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
The twelve fifty four.
Speaker 4 (35:42):
I know, Dave, I know, Dave.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
What in the actual hell? But try to.
Speaker 4 (35:47):
Find it's twenty eight twenty eight thousand people go down there.
Speaker 3 (35:51):
I'm trying to find a silverl liner here. Help me out,
because you gotta stop talking about the ballpark.
Speaker 4 (35:56):
I don't. I'm the ballpark is the silver lining. It's gorgeous.
Miss tonight's going to be lovely too.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
And the night after that, and so on and so forth.
Speaker 4 (36:07):
They gave tomorrow in case anybody wants to go check
it out.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
It's hot up there.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
All right, we'll come back. Paburi was great today. Sean
Payton talks all about it.
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I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!
Crime Junkie
Does hearing about a true crime case always leave you scouring the internet for the truth behind the story? Dive into your next mystery with Crime Junkie. Every Monday, join your host Ashley Flowers as she unravels all the details of infamous and underreported true crime cases with her best friend Brit Prawat. From cold cases to missing persons and heroes in our community who seek justice, Crime Junkie is your destination for theories and stories you won’t hear anywhere else. Whether you're a seasoned true crime enthusiast or new to the genre, you'll find yourself on the edge of your seat awaiting a new episode every Monday. If you can never get enough true crime... Congratulations, you’ve found your people. Follow to join a community of Crime Junkies! Crime Junkie is presented by audiochuck Media Company.
Ridiculous History
History is beautiful, brutal and, often, ridiculous. Join Ben Bowlin and Noel Brown as they dive into some of the weirdest stories from across the span of human civilization in Ridiculous History, a podcast by iHeartRadio.