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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Five six six nine zeros o kaa common spirit healths
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A lot of reaction here to the Rockies. We'll probably
get back to the Rockies here in a little bit
as we're walking up to Rockies and Giants tonight. The
Rockies looking to get back into the wind calumn once again.
Look forward to that. We're gonna hear from Sean Payton
on Pat Bryant. Also, we gotta talk about the Knicks.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
The Knicks, what a joke.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
They continue to try to interview other teams head coaches.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
The Nuggets block the Knicks.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
F I'm just saying, every other team seemingly has blocked
New York from talking to their current coach. How about
I mean, how about this, how about the hire a
guy who's not a current head coach. I don't know,
just blowing my mind.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
Okay, they could do this once again.
Speaker 5 (00:51):
They want to show the fan base that we are
so headstrong about finding the right person. We're even going
after coaches. We have contracts with other teams. That's how
hard we're trying to bring in another coach.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Here's what they're showing the fans. They've asked to speak
with not one, not two. I saw the cabron, not three,
not four, excuse me four current head coaches. They've been
denied four times. So done this in the messages of
the fan base, like, hey man, nobody really wants to.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Nobody wants to.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (01:30):
It does definitely send that particular message as well. But
from an organization's standpoint, you want to make sure that
you were saying to your players and your fan base
that listen, no.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
Stone we're gonna leave unturned. Well, were ere.
Speaker 5 (01:43):
Gonna try the guys who already have jobs, then the
second wave the job the guys who don't have.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
You can't possibly believe this.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
I'm not saying that that's this is my philosophy, the
way that I would do it. I mean, we'll talk
about the Knicks.
Speaker 5 (01:57):
I mean, they've never done a logicod thing in their
time here, especially on the dose.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Why would a veteran coach who is currently employed want
to go to a place that just fired the most
successful coach in franchise history since probably Red Holtzman.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Yeah, it's about right, at least a couple of decades. Yeah,
I mean.
Speaker 5 (02:27):
There's an idea that hey, this is the Knicks. It's
New York City.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
He looks like a giant right there on that picture,
Yes he does, Danny, sorry about that.
Speaker 5 (02:37):
Yeah, but they're selling new York. They're pitching New York.
It's the Madison Square guard. It's the mecca of basketball.
That's what they're trying to say.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
But why would you if you're one of these other
teams we're talking about, The Mavericks, the Timberwolves, the Rockets,
and now the.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Hawks Atlanta Falcons.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
The Hawks all declining to let their current head coach interview.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
For the time.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
I think the first three it would indicate that they
have better situations and are much close to winning at
a real high level than the Knicks are. And the
next got to the Eastern Conference. But that sort of
theory falls by the wayside now when you can't even
get the Atlanta Hawks coach Quinn Quinn Snyder. I mean,
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the Hawks were a I think they were a playing team,
right correct, So.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
But it's it strikes me as we don't really have
a plan other than we're just going to sort of
hope that this swing for the fences. Maybe one of
these current head coaches is willing to leave their current
situation because.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
We are the Knicks, we are New York. That doesn't
feel like that doesn't feel like a plan. That's not
a plan.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
No, no, it's not.
Speaker 5 (03:54):
It's not a well thought out It is a plan,
But is it not as well thought out plan to
me hire Michael Maloon?
Speaker 4 (04:03):
Right?
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Good do that, Michael Malone.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
But I think you said to Dave that Michael Malone
and Tom Thibdeau might be cut from the same quath.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Well, I think I think the perception is that that
would be really close to Tom Thibodeau in terms of
just the style of Mike Malone. And reports are now
surfacing that they met with players the GM did and
the owner James Dolan did.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
After the season.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
They met with Jalen Bronson, they met with other Knicks players,
and there were some concerns brought to the forefront in
terms of how Tom Thibodeau substitutes and in game adjustments
during the playoff run. Well, he really, I mean, he's
been the same his entire career. I think he's been
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a really good coach. But he doesn't he doesn't go
deep in the bench.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
He just doesn't.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
He plays five six guys period. In terms of adjustments,
I don't. I don't know. How about you? How about
you act like you care about playing a little bit
of defense? Is that a Is that a coaching adjustment?
Or is that an attitude adjustment? With like Cat, who's
about as soft as anybody in the NBA currently.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
There you go with that word again, soft? You know,
Kad is soft? You know? Do you not agree that
Cad is soft?
Speaker 3 (05:29):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Mm hm oh, listen, I'll say like this, I don't
often want to use that for me as a person
that looks like I do, that doesn't play professional sports.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
I don't feel like.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
I tried to ask you.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
First of all, you look fine, and the fact that
you didn't play professional sports would have nothing to do
with you having an opinion because you cover sports. This
is most times a sports talk show, So I mean
you watch basketball.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Yeah, you're probably right.
Speaker 5 (05:56):
So my question to you, Ryan, what other word would
you choose to describe someone who may act like Big Cat?
What adjective? I mean, there's a number of them.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
I'd say that he doesn't plan to his full potential
as often as he should.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
Translation candy soft as hell? Yeah, soft. Yes.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
He probably even admitted that he's they had a hitters
or too.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
I mean, he'd probably say, yeah, you know, I am,
but you know what, I'm making fifty million a year.
How much you making, David. That's what he say to me,
and I'd say not nearly that.
Speaker 5 (06:30):
Yes, But that's kind of the problem with today's NBA
players being soft, and not just from a playing standpoint,
but a mental standpoint.
Speaker 6 (06:42):
Right.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
Guys can't push through that adversity.
Speaker 5 (06:45):
The moment you say something to them that they feel
is out of context, they get upset, they go into
an emotional show. Hey, what's the first thing they do?
They gotta go run. Tell that they got to go run,
Tell someone that, you know what, I didn't like how
Ryan spoke to me today and shoot around. So now
you ste Drosnicen like, no, man, go on and do
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your damn job. I need you to play in the
low post. Yeah, could you get a little banged up?
Speaker 4 (07:11):
That's her job?
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Is the next job an attractive one? Dave?
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Well, I mean I think it depends on on who
they're asking for. Most most assistant coaches, Yes, because it's
an opportunity to be the head coach. And as Nick said,
you are coaching in New York. You're coaching in Madison
Square Garden and you've got you've got the bones of
a pretty good team. I think they, you know, they
need to have a couple of adjustments, but I don't
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know that. It's like when they when they talked about
it first, asking for permission to Dallas to speak to
Jason Kidd.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
I'm thinking, why would Jason Kidd.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
Leave Kyrie Irving and that crew and he's going to
draft Cooper flag Why would he leave Dallas to go
to New York. He's got a better roster in Dallas, right,
I mean, I think you could say the same thing
for Minnesota Chris Finch, Yeah, Chris Finch, Why would he
leave that roster to go to New York?
Speaker 5 (08:14):
Because the idea that everyone has a price, We're gonna
throw enough money at you to possibly get you to
change your mind.
Speaker 4 (08:21):
And we all know that everyone has a price.
Speaker 5 (08:25):
So Dolan is probably thinking, I'll be able to buy
these guys out of the contract, give a couple of
draft choices away to acquire these guys, and all of
a sudden, it makes the fan base happy because you're
getting someone from Minnesota and Finch, who's got that Minnesota
team playing well, and then you think about what kid
was able to do in Dallas, even though they didn't
get to a finals. But you're looking to bring something in,
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something you can sell to your fan base to give
them some hope.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
Do you think these organizations are even asking these coaches
if they want to interview for the next job or
are they just saying now we're good?
Speaker 3 (09:00):
I would think that would that would be a conversation, Okay, yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Because I think you would want to know.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
I mean, if you're Dallas, I think you would want
confirmation from Jason Kidd that you good here?
Speaker 2 (09:13):
I mean, are we good? Now?
Speaker 3 (09:14):
There was some speculation because they did get to the
NBA Finals the year before. Then all of a sudden, Luca,
you know, is traded, and there was speculation. In fact,
I think it was stated that Jason Kidd didn't didn't
know about that trade. So if I mean, if you're
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Nico Harris person, maybe you want to talk to Jason
Kidd at this point because maybe if he didn't really
know or didn't buy into the Luca trade, maybe you
want to know, like, you, are we good? Are we
good going forward with this? Because I'm good with you
but do you want to talk to them. If you do,
we'll grant your permission. My guess is that Jason Kidds said,
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I'm good.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
So speaking of the wordsoft, Dave, the Oklahoma City Thunder
back at action tonight.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
YEP in Indiana taking on the Pacers. You already know
how I feel about this?
Speaker 1 (10:15):
Well, no, I don't. I don't know how you feel
about to night's game.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
I mean don't, don't don't.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
Well, don't give give me your pick yet, because we
need to show me the money.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
I think I told you after game two, might have
said it before game one, Okay, I would not. I
mean I kind of hope I'm wrong, but I wouldn't
be surprised if Oak City wins both games in Indiana.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Yeah, they're favored by five and a half, still still
holding there around five and a half.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
I mean Indiana, I mean they the Indiana's been good
at home. I think they're eight and two. I think
they're eight and two at home. Haven't lost.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
I haven't lost back to back since March tenth, Indiana.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
Okay, well, you might want to take the Pacers plus
five and a half.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
Ryan, See, I'm trying to bait you.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
He's casting that trying to move you in s that
did not work out his movie. It was one of
those movement always when I said it out loud, like
David said to me, He's like, I got.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
You do it.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
And I almost said to you, you never want to bait.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Like if you if you were an.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
Excellent chess player, yes, which you would be known as
a what.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
Master?
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Thank you?
Speaker 3 (11:38):
So now we get back into what was going through
my mind, and thankfully I stopped. I said, you never
want to bait uh master, you know? And then I said, no,
I'm not. That won't work. So we'll see.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Yeah, well I'm looking forward to you are chasing a
little bit tonight.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
I'm two games. I'm three games off the pace the
three after two nights. Yeah, you're not very good. You're
gonna make up some ground, very good.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
We gonna go back to the rockies here and I
don't know if that. Yeah you went one and one
last night. Yeah, got that going for me?
Speaker 1 (12:12):
What do you that's right? Because you you had oh
you had the under. Yeah we had the under barely
scraped out there.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
Why are you looking at me like, but I can't
try what you picked. I think you took the Under
as well.
Speaker 4 (12:27):
Right, I took the Giants and under that's where you
took the Giants, the Giants.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
You don't believe in the Rockies at all.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
I'm not saying that I don't believe in them, but
twelve and fifty four I need remind both of the
part of the predictions yesterday. That was my choice. I
took the Rockies, didn't I you took No, you took
the Giants the Giants.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Yeah, okay, something on the text line.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
I don't see the Rockies ever with the Capital E
turning the corner and becoming a winning team.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Well, they they've They've had winning seasons they have.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
Right, the fine winning went to the World Series in
two thousands.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
That's like so many ages ago.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
When did you play in the NFL?
Speaker 4 (13:05):
I played, Well, were you NFL?
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Were you in the NFL in two thousand and seven?
Speaker 4 (13:10):
Yes? I was.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
Okay, So you played in the NFL so many ages ago?
Speaker 5 (13:14):
Well, yes, exactly right. I would look at it in
that particular way.
Speaker 4 (13:18):
It was so many ages ago.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
So when you look look at you as a modern
day player.
Speaker 5 (13:24):
That's probably because the way I'm physically built now, right, that's.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
That's the only thing you like. You some you you
have no kidding hold.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
On, you like getting the full length mirror with your
little tott and shorts on and say look at this.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
Wait, wait, see see, I see what Dave is doing.
Speaker 5 (13:41):
What you're doing, Dave is projecting a little what he does.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
Listen, though you look a little ashy, You need you
need to get some movie.
Speaker 5 (13:50):
What you know what that might be the case, which
therefore is not. But you know black doesn't crack so good.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
It does unless you put some millions on trust me
on that use as a baby oil millions. It's my
own words. Well, how would you define such a word?
How would I define it to?
Speaker 4 (14:11):
Yes, because I have no idea what that is?
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Jullion. It can be, uh, it can be.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
It can be a number of things like if you like,
if you want if if Friday night you were home
and you did a long week and you wanted just
a nice mullion a cocktail, you say I need a
little bit of that million, Or if you were ashy
as you are, then after you get out of the
shower on that Friday night and stand in front of
the mirror with him cotton shorts on, you put some
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lather on you. You put some million some million, and
I spell it, even though I don't think it's a word.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
M U L L I E n T.
Speaker 5 (14:50):
I think I'm gonna go back to what Ryan said earlier.
I really use poutine.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
Oh we've all used poutine from top to shide. I
mean I have. It's I like the potatoes and the gravy.
I'm not a big gravy guy. But there's beef in
there in gray. There's no beef in poutine. Yes there
is where I mean, maybe not in the Canadian poutine
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that I've had a Canadian.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
I know, I said I was Canadian.
Speaker 5 (15:22):
I say in the Canadian poutine that I've had, I've.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Had no Canadian poontein.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
What's that like a lot of gravy.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
Whezer, kai common spur, health text line, a lot of
funny text coming in here. I've never heard a group
of guys get so close to the line and not
get caught. Well, thank you actually should be the byeline
of the show.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
It should. Hell, I was entertained.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
French fries, broad gravy, and cheese curds. Yeah, that's that's
that's that's yeah definition. I don't think any other show
in Denver talks about poutine as much.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
As we do.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
Well, maybe they need to get some pootine in their life.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Apparently, standing in front of a mirror with my cotton
shorts on, I stand in front of the mirror with
my night shirt on. Than what I'm supposed to do, Dave, Yeah,
I don't. I don't know a nice shirt anyway as
a night shirt. You know when the shirt he wears
a shirt to bed.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Let's it. I think that's all of this is. And
I think I don't know if it goes down to
his knees or what.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
Wait wait, he's got like on a grandma's shirt.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
I don't know what the night shirt is. This is
this is predates me. But I know that Dave wears
a shirt to bed.
Speaker 4 (16:36):
I thought everyone wears shirts to bed.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
I don't wear a shirt to bed.
Speaker 4 (16:40):
Thank you don't wear a shirt to bed.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
I want to wear a shirt to bed. It's hot,
what do you?
Speaker 4 (16:45):
I'm sorry? Is there like some kind of a strain
in order on using an a seed during the summer?
Speaker 2 (16:49):
Well, I use the aces just there's no reason to
wear a shirt to bed.
Speaker 4 (16:54):
Hey man, you know what I'm not here to judge.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
I just thought it's more like a T shirt, like
a long T shirt's not called is well by a
couple of listeners, it got it got referred to as
a nice shirt.
Speaker 4 (17:07):
How long is this shirt? Is it standard?
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Like we're talking like I'm in standard, like below my knees.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
That's like that's a Grandmace T shirt like you're.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Seeing Peter Pan with the kids, like flot out the window.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
I'm just calling, I'm just teasing. It's not below my knees. Okay,
it's it's long enough. Okay, you know I'm gonna leave
you there. You sleep, so you sleep in no shirt,
no shirt, you sleep in your drawers. What I don't know, man,
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can't see you sleeping like nugget.
Speaker 5 (17:49):
Well, first of all, Dave, let's correct that no one
wants to see that.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Yeah, no, no, give me that visual.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
I don't want it. No, what's that?
Speaker 2 (17:59):
I don't know what you have?
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Well, not that I did before, but but like with kids,
that that would be I think extremely awkward.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
You sleep with them too, No no, no, no, no,
no awkward? Another room? Yeah they see another room, but
they like come.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
In in the morning and like you're liking your shorts. Yeah,
I'm just my shorts is fine. I mean, that's like, dad,
what's up? That's right, it's not a big deal. If
they laugh hysterically, that's a problem.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Would be a problem. Yes, the same thing the winter.
But I have a weighted blanket that I'm a big
fan of.
Speaker 4 (18:30):
Oh excuse me, a weighted blanket.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Those are good.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
Life changing might be a white dude thing. Might be
because I've never heard about it. I never I never heard.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
Well Ryan had never heard ashy or a brother.
Speaker 4 (18:45):
Well, man, it happens sometimes.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
What was that term that you invented, the ashy.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
No no, no sort with an m uh.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Ulliant mullion. I like some of that brilliant. I tried
googling it.
Speaker 4 (18:59):
It didn't come out there.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
That's my own words, your word.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
Yeah, like like I've used it with yogurt man, what
kind of moon it's said, strawberry.
Speaker 4 (19:08):
Give me some of that so you can use this
and for anything in life.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
Yeah, but the way to blanket legitimately, I might have
to check this out. Life changing, big fan.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
You get cold, like real cold in the winter.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
You're from Miami and most of the places I played
have been cold weather places.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
So it's an easy question. I don't have any get
cold in the winter. No, I don't you like cold weather?
Speaker 4 (19:34):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (19:34):
I do?
Speaker 2 (19:35):
So you were you are an uncommon brother.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
I told you.
Speaker 4 (19:39):
I'm just saying I'm not sure average black guy. I
told you that before.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
That's why we get along.
Speaker 4 (19:43):
So well there you go.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Yes, So Sean Payton talking about pap rant today, We've
been we've been teasing this for for a little while.
I do want to get to it. I do too,
I could tell I do too. Pap Ryant is, for
what it's worth, making the most of his opportunities. Devine
Veley has not been available for whatever reason for Manatoury
Mini camp. So we've seen a lot of Pap Brian,
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especially with the first team. And he was asked today
about Pat and well he can't he just can't help
but tell us how much he loves him.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
Do you like what you see?
Speaker 4 (20:17):
I like what I see.
Speaker 5 (20:18):
And so.
Speaker 6 (20:20):
He's tough and look there's things you know where he's
catching one like this.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
You know, there's there's things that.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
You're you're you're immediately.
Speaker 6 (20:32):
On these guys and that's good to great like that's
that's that's coaching. But interview him, be around him. It's
so important to him. And I would say that's probably
the case with so many of these young guys. I mean,
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it's not like an accident. There there's a profile we're
looking for.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Yeah, and he continued on about the pro file and
you kind of get it right. I mean, although he
did say today something that disurprised me. He said he
wasn't aware that his first three picks of the Broncos'
first three picks in the draft for all captains. He
said he wasn't aware of that. I mean, I gotta
imagine George Peyton and the rest of the front office
staff was, but he said, I wasn't aware that they
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were all captains. He's like, it was a personality that
we are looking for. He's like, doesn't surprise me that
you could tell me that he's like but that that
isn't something that I knew.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Yeah, I could see that that'd being true. There's a
lot of things. I think.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
When he talks about there's a personality trait, there are
traits that were looking for and I think we we
sort of were made aware of some of those traits
when Sean first took over because We talked to former
players that had played for and we talked to guys
that had coached with him, and I mean they said
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a variety of things, but they all said two or three,
three or four exactly the same things. He's going to
find out how much you love football. He wants smart players,
tough players, and guys who love ball. He doesn't want
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to deal with guys, even if they're good at ball,
that it might not be a priority in their life.
And you know he inherited I think. I mean, if
you look at the guys that were here when he
got here that are no longer here, I think I
think it's pretty easy to say that over a two
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year season, two years of season play, Sean is putting
stamp on this roster in terms of the guys he wants.
Speaker 5 (22:43):
That's how you determine the dedication of a particular player.
Speaker 4 (22:47):
Do you love it?
Speaker 5 (22:48):
And in every single year during the combine, we always
hear these interviews and guys are constantly talking about how
they love the game. And as a coach, you get
a chance to really see it, because when you hit
that wall, that first moment of adversity, how do you
handle it? Can you bounce back from that because we
know that this game is tough, both physically but more
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importantly mentally. So when Sean Payton said that to me,
that's what I was thinking about. You want mentally tough guys,
because we've seen coach on game days, right, and he's
a lot different than he is at the podium at practice.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
He's a more intense guy. He's been around intense coaches.
Speaker 5 (23:31):
Anyone who spent any time around Bill Parcells from a
player or coaching standpoint, you understand what that means. I
need you to love this sport because I need you
to show up on game day and exhaust yourself both
physically and mentally. And this is where the culture has
somewhat changed around here. I believe we all can.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Agree on that.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
And maybe I didn't give enough credence once a June
eleventh conversation, but Pat Brian might have a bigger role
this year than I think I originally projected. I thought
there'd be more like a figure it out kind of season.
Once again, they're not wearing pads.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
I don't know. I don't want to.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
You tease me about this a lot, Dave that I
go too far with conclusions in mid June. Well, man,
he looks great. I mean he looks really really good
out there.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
Well, and I think you add to that that obviously
the head coach loves him, right, head coach drafting him,
He was drafting in the third round when there were
some that followed the draft closely that said he was
a fourth or fifth round pick. And so I think,
I mean, Sewan's like other coaches in this regard, other
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guys that we know that are head coaches in the league,
they like to be right and then they like to
point out to you. I told you, I tried to
tell you, so you just don't listen very well. So yeah,
I mean I could I could see a world that.
I mean, he's listed all the things that he loves
about this kid. Football is really important to him.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
He's tough.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
You know, he makes cat's described him today, he makes
catches here, then he makes catches over here. Okay to me,
the guys that should be listening to those comments are
the other wide receivers. Because the head coach is telling
you where his mindset is going into training camp.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
Well, in that moment, that first moment right when, because
I think it was Eric Delalla that asked the question, and.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
He's like, you like what you see kind of a smile.
It's like, I like what I see?
Speaker 7 (25:40):
That That right there was so unbelievably telling. But then
we get the same vibe last year with Devon Bailey. Right,
those are some of the same comments that were made
by Devon Veyle.
Speaker 5 (25:53):
So for me, it's like, when you look at the
wide receiver room in a way it's made of now
with Saun praising last year and this year it is Bryant,
what does that mean for the other guys?
Speaker 4 (26:05):
Who's a man out? So you got to be looking
around the room saying and I know.
Speaker 5 (26:09):
Sean Payne talked about this maybe maybe maybe yesterday that
the media should not get into the fact of trying
to determine who's gonna make the team and who's not.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
We shouldn't count, So don't start counting counting, but you
can't help but do it, especially if you're a guy
on that roster.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
No offense to Sean, but the count's pretty obvious at
this point.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
At least we're six deep, like the wide receiver room,
someone's got to go. I mean, I I'd say you're set.
You're set at six Sometimes some teams will do five.
But again, if we're doing the counts, sorry, Sean, if
we're doing the counts, six is the number. Maybe if
you're only keeping two quarterbacks, if you.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
Counted today, Let's let's just engage.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Engage in this game a bit.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
If you were counting Ryan today, and let's just say
we agree the th wide receiver room. More times than not,
it's going to have six. I've seen it work with five,
depending on a back, but let's just say six.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Name your six, so Court, Marvin Mims, Devon Veley, have
no particular order right here, Troy Franklin, Treyserfield, and Pat Bryant.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
Okay, that's six. I think it's I think it's hard
to argue with those six.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
And it's not to say that because he doesn't want
to do that exercise because he wants the guys to
continue to compete. Yeah, totally respect that. The same thing
when he was asked about JK. Dobbins, He's like, no
roles have been defined, even though we can all watch R. J.
Harvey running with the ones out there, not with the
third team. Different conversation, I guess, But yeah, I mean,
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if you're going with six, maybe you get to seven,
but there's no way you're going to go to five, right,
I mean, like, who's who's that group is not making it?
Turn on your mic?
Speaker 4 (28:01):
Excuse me? Did you in your account mention Sheffield? Okay?
Speaker 2 (28:06):
And he got two touchdowns today?
Speaker 4 (28:07):
Well, you know what?
Speaker 5 (28:07):
You know? Who else has been impressive so far? And
I know it's just OTA's mini camp? Bandy is Michael Bandya?
Speaker 4 (28:16):
Why do you look like that you're discounting? I mean
there's something there. What do you what do you want
to say?
Speaker 2 (28:25):
I I don't listen, I like Michael Bandy.
Speaker 4 (28:28):
It doesn't sound like you do. So like there's something else.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
You qualify your like I like Michael Bandy, but he's
not gonna make the team. Is that what you're saying? Yeah,
that's that's what it is.
Speaker 5 (28:41):
You know what, Listen, he has the potential to make
things tough if he goes out there and he plays well.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
He plays well every training camp.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
He's played well in training camp, he plays well in
preseason games.
Speaker 4 (28:52):
So what's what's what's the issue?
Speaker 3 (28:53):
Then?
Speaker 4 (28:54):
If he's been playing this well, is it is it
him or is it those making a decision?
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Do you think Josh Reynolds will get really least midway
through the season at the start of training camp, not
start training him now.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
So that would be an illustration of crazy things happen
during the year. Right, if they kept five instead of
six and they liked an extra tight end who they
thought was a red zone threat, that you know, I'm
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not saying that it's going to happen. I say that
that's how numbers all of a sudden. I mean they
may look at they may look at the tight end.
They just no the tight end. They just the free
agent Evan Ingram. They may look at him and say,
I mean, he's going to play tight end, but plenty
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of times he can play outside too. Right, So they
start mixing and matching, especially coaches in training camp. They
get fatigued because they're up all all hours. They're up early,
they stay up late. They get fatigued, and then they
sit and I think, honestly they start to go a
little stir crazy looking at film and all that, and
they come up with these ideas that they might not
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even have had going into camp. And Evan Ingram is
sort of a wild card to me because his body,
he's gonna play tight end. But he runs, he moves
like a wide receiver, big wide receiver.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
So I don't know. I think it's gonna be really
interesting way.
Speaker 5 (30:29):
But here's the part that I hate from a defensive standpoint,
because everyone always leans towards the offense. You need more
wide receivers, you need more offensive lineman. So usually that
means is that you're gonna cancel out a skill guy,
and that skill guy is normally the guy in the secondary.
Speaker 4 (30:46):
You lose the safety, you lose a corner.
Speaker 5 (30:49):
And if it sounds that way, then it should be
because you get offensive lineman who you have to say, well,
we need this offensive lineman up for game day.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
Well he's not only any special teams, he can't cover
damn soul.
Speaker 5 (31:03):
But you take away from the secondary to provide another
offensive lineman who's not contributed.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
Because it's easier, all due respect to a guy who
played ten years in the league or Haverman, you played
a long time, it's a lot easier to find a safety,
not necessarily a great player, but a safety as opposed
to like an offensive lineman that can play.
Speaker 5 (31:28):
I know that is typically the philosophy, but that offensive lineman,
he's not giving you anything on Putt team kickoff. Only
thing he's helped giving you something all from a production standpoints,
being an extra lineman on Pat two, we go.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
Well, you can't find fault because he's three hundred and
thirty pounds.
Speaker 4 (31:46):
Can't move.
Speaker 5 (31:48):
I want guys who can move, who are physical, who
I can count on. But we always get shafted in
this situation.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
I mean, if you at two hundred pound, would you
play two or five?
Speaker 4 (31:57):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (31:58):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
So if they just said, Nick, we love the way
you move, and this week against the Bears, we're gonna
play you guard. You're gonna pull you a lot, but
you're gonna play guard.
Speaker 5 (32:11):
Hey, Alex Gibbs, just show me where I need to go.
What's blocking your little lass in their guards? Oh my gosh,
that would.
Speaker 4 (32:22):
Have been hilarious.
Speaker 5 (32:24):
But what happens on every single team, all thirty two teams,
when it comes down to cut down town and they're
trying to figure out how to piece the team.
Speaker 4 (32:32):
Together, they always look at the dbs.
Speaker 5 (32:34):
Based on what you just said, we can always go
find another one of these guys. And this is how
good talent kind of finding themselves out of the lead.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
That's why you're sitting here with us. Hey, very true,
because they tried to lend you up a guard.
Speaker 4 (32:47):
Well, no, not. I would cut on every single play.
Speaker 5 (32:53):
Ain't no cutting. We're gonna pull you around the corner.
That's right, and I'm cut those guys out there on edge.
I'm gona throw. That's what you teach your losses alignment.
You gotta throw.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
Let me ask you this, Dave.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
So, if they keep five wide receivers, who would be
the odd man out?
Speaker 3 (33:07):
Well, I don't know that they're going to keep five
because six has kind of been the magical number. I'm
just saying. Coaches, they do crazy things. You know, the
back the rhyne back room is crazy because is you know,
four and five in that room have to.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
Be special teams guys. But is one of them really elite?
Speaker 3 (33:28):
I mean Blake Watson, who's an undrafted was he undrafted?
Speaker 2 (33:32):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (33:33):
Yeah, undrafted college free agent last year made the team.
I thought, had some moments. He's an excellent, excellent pass receiver.
Speaker 5 (33:42):
You know.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
Jaliel what I mean? Jaliel can help in special teams.
But when you when you think about that, Jialiel helping
the special teams has to be in the return game.
You're not gonna lie up Julian mcgloughlin as a punt gunner.
Ain't gonna happened. So he's he has to win the
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job in terms of being the return guy. If he
let's say he doesn't. Okay, Now is he the third
back or is it oddric Estimate? How does Adric Estimate
make the team? What sort of special team contribution that
big young guy. You would think he could probably help
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you on special teams, But I don't know special teams
is going to be key to anybody.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
That is not a rotational slash starter in the league.
Speaker 5 (34:35):
Estimate strikes me as being a knollback on the plant team, right,
That's a place where you can actually play him to
use his size, his speed and his athleticism. Now you say,
well putting jolt at gunner, I would try him there
just to see if it works, because we know he
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has the speed. The CV has a quick to kind
of be elusive to get away from that that double vice.
Speaker 3 (35:02):
But I would put him there. I mean, this is
a great time, Trey Moon Smith. I'm trying to think
on punt teams, Traymon Smith.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
I thought Skinner was down there. It was definitely on
the punt team. I'm not sure he was the gunner.
Speaker 4 (35:15):
No, No, I think he was like a guard o.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
Yeah, I mean that's that's a position.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
I mean, I wasn't a starter my rookie year, but
so I was on every special team, including I was
the gunner on the punt team.
Speaker 4 (35:33):
A grown that's a grown ass man job.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
Now, back then they could they could cut you. Also,
they can't cut you.
Speaker 4 (35:40):
Now they cut you.
Speaker 3 (35:41):
They could cut you. Wow, yes, sir, So it was
I mean it was it was like hand to hand combat.
And I'm thinking I never I didn't play special teams one.
I mean I was a punt returner and a punter
in college, but I didn't cover any kicks ever in college. Well,
you you better learn your rookie year. Hey, you're on
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your you'r L two on kickoff on kickoff coverage and
you're the gunner on punt coverage.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
Had a way to make it work.
Speaker 5 (36:11):
Yeah, if you get a chance, Ryan, and you started
watching games this season on pont team, just watch that
position versus the double jam.
Speaker 4 (36:20):
The rules of change. Like, I didn't know they got
a chance to cut them when they played.
Speaker 5 (36:24):
Ahole thing is, how can we get the How quickly
can we get the guy to the gatorade on the
side out.
Speaker 3 (36:29):
Of bounds and he's got to come directly back in bounds. Yes,
if he runs like you know, I think it's subjective.
But if you run like four or five steps out
of bounds, flag like you got to come back.
Speaker 4 (36:41):
In and which is it waiting for you?
Speaker 2 (36:44):
I bet you are
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A lot of reaction here to the Rockies. We'll probably
get back to the Rockies here in a little bit
as we're walking up to Rockies and Giants tonight. The
Rockies looking to get back into the wind calumn once again.
Look forward to that. We're gonna hear from Sean Payton
on Pat Bryant. Also, we gotta talk about the Knicks.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
The Knicks, what a joke.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
They continue to try to interview other teams head coaches.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
The Nuggets block the Knicks.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
F I'm just saying, every other team seemingly has blocked
New York from talking to their current coach. How about
I mean, how about this, how about the hire a
guy who's not a current head coach. I don't know,
just blowing my mind.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
Okay, they could do this once again.
Speaker 5 (00:51):
They want to show the fan base that we are
so headstrong about finding the right person. We're even going
after coaches. We have contracts with other teams. That's how
hard we're trying to bring in another coach.
Speaker 3 (01:06):
Here's what they're showing the fans. They've asked to speak
with not one, not two. I saw the cabron, not three,
not four, excuse me four current head coaches. They've been
denied four times. So done this in the messages of
the fan base, like, hey man, nobody really wants to.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Nobody wants to.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (01:30):
It does definitely send that particular message as well. But
from an organization's standpoint, you want to make sure that
you were saying to your players and your fan base
that listen, no.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
Stone we're gonna leave unturned. Well, were ere.
Speaker 5 (01:43):
Gonna try the guys who already have jobs, then the
second wave the job the guys who don't have.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
You can't possibly believe this.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
I'm not saying that that's this is my philosophy, the
way that I would do it. I mean, we'll talk
about the Knicks.
Speaker 5 (01:57):
I mean, they've never done a logicod thing in their
time here, especially on the dose.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Why would a veteran coach who is currently employed want
to go to a place that just fired the most
successful coach in franchise history since probably Red Holtzman.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
Yeah, it's about right, at least a couple of decades. Yeah,
I mean.
Speaker 5 (02:27):
There's an idea that hey, this is the Knicks. It's
New York City.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
He looks like a giant right there on that picture,
Yes he does, Danny, sorry about that.
Speaker 5 (02:37):
Yeah, but they're selling new York. They're pitching New York.
It's the Madison Square guard. It's the mecca of basketball.
That's what they're trying to say.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
But why would you if you're one of these other
teams we're talking about, The Mavericks, the Timberwolves, the Rockets,
and now the.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Hawks Atlanta Falcons.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
The Hawks all declining to let their current head coach interview.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
For the time.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
I think the first three it would indicate that they
have better situations and are much close to winning at
a real high level than the Knicks are. And the
next got to the Eastern Conference. But that sort of
theory falls by the wayside now when you can't even
get the Atlanta Hawks coach Quinn Quinn Snyder. I mean,
(03:27):
the Hawks were a I think they were a playing team,
right correct, So.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
But it's it strikes me as we don't really have
a plan other than we're just going to sort of
hope that this swing for the fences. Maybe one of
these current head coaches is willing to leave their current
situation because.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
We are the Knicks, we are New York. That doesn't
feel like that doesn't feel like a plan. That's not
a plan.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
No, no, it's not.
Speaker 5 (03:54):
It's not a well thought out It is a plan,
But is it not as well thought out plan to
me hire Michael Maloon?
Speaker 4 (04:03):
Right?
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Good do that, Michael Malone.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
But I think you said to Dave that Michael Malone
and Tom Thibdeau might be cut from the same quath.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Well, I think I think the perception is that that
would be really close to Tom Thibodeau in terms of
just the style of Mike Malone. And reports are now
surfacing that they met with players the GM did and
the owner James Dolan did.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
After the season.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
They met with Jalen Bronson, they met with other Knicks players,
and there were some concerns brought to the forefront in
terms of how Tom Thibodeau substitutes and in game adjustments
during the playoff run. Well, he really, I mean, he's
been the same his entire career. I think he's been
(04:52):
a really good coach. But he doesn't he doesn't go
deep in the bench.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
He just doesn't.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
He plays five six guys period. In terms of adjustments,
I don't. I don't know. How about you? How about
you act like you care about playing a little bit
of defense? Is that a Is that a coaching adjustment?
Or is that an attitude adjustment? With like Cat, who's
about as soft as anybody in the NBA currently.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
There you go with that word again, soft? You know,
Kad is soft? You know? Do you not agree that
Cad is soft?
Speaker 3 (05:29):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Mm hm oh, listen, I'll say like this, I don't
often want to use that for me as a person
that looks like I do, that doesn't play professional sports.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
I don't feel like.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
I tried to ask you.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
First of all, you look fine, and the fact that
you didn't play professional sports would have nothing to do
with you having an opinion because you cover sports. This
is most times a sports talk show, So I mean
you watch basketball.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Yeah, you're probably right.
Speaker 5 (05:56):
So my question to you, Ryan, what other word would
you choose to describe someone who may act like Big Cat?
What adjective? I mean, there's a number of them.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
I'd say that he doesn't plan to his full potential
as often as he should.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
Translation candy soft as hell? Yeah, soft. Yes.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
He probably even admitted that he's they had a hitters
or too.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
I mean, he'd probably say, yeah, you know, I am,
but you know what, I'm making fifty million a year.
How much you making, David. That's what he say to me,
and I'd say not nearly that.
Speaker 5 (06:30):
Yes, But that's kind of the problem with today's NBA
players being soft, and not just from a playing standpoint,
but a mental standpoint.
Speaker 6 (06:42):
Right.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
Guys can't push through that adversity.
Speaker 5 (06:45):
The moment you say something to them that they feel
is out of context, they get upset, they go into
an emotional show. Hey, what's the first thing they do?
They gotta go run. Tell that they got to go run,
Tell someone that, you know what, I didn't like how
Ryan spoke to me today and shoot around. So now
you ste Drosnicen like, no, man, go on and do
(07:05):
your damn job. I need you to play in the
low post. Yeah, could you get a little banged up?
Speaker 4 (07:11):
That's her job?
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Is the next job an attractive one? Dave?
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Well, I mean I think it depends on on who
they're asking for. Most most assistant coaches, Yes, because it's
an opportunity to be the head coach. And as Nick said,
you are coaching in New York. You're coaching in Madison
Square Garden and you've got you've got the bones of
a pretty good team. I think they, you know, they
need to have a couple of adjustments, but I don't
(07:41):
know that. It's like when they when they talked about
it first, asking for permission to Dallas to speak to
Jason Kidd.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
I'm thinking, why would Jason Kidd.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
Leave Kyrie Irving and that crew and he's going to
draft Cooper flag Why would he leave Dallas to go
to New York. He's got a better roster in Dallas, right,
I mean, I think you could say the same thing
for Minnesota Chris Finch, Yeah, Chris Finch, Why would he
leave that roster to go to New York?
Speaker 5 (08:14):
Because the idea that everyone has a price, We're gonna
throw enough money at you to possibly get you to
change your mind.
Speaker 4 (08:21):
And we all know that everyone has a price.
Speaker 5 (08:25):
So Dolan is probably thinking, I'll be able to buy
these guys out of the contract, give a couple of
draft choices away to acquire these guys, and all of
a sudden, it makes the fan base happy because you're
getting someone from Minnesota and Finch, who's got that Minnesota
team playing well, and then you think about what kid
was able to do in Dallas, even though they didn't
get to a finals. But you're looking to bring something in,
(08:49):
something you can sell to your fan base to give
them some hope.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
Do you think these organizations are even asking these coaches
if they want to interview for the next job or
are they just saying now we're good?
Speaker 3 (09:00):
I would think that would that would be a conversation, Okay, yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Because I think you would want to know.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
I mean, if you're Dallas, I think you would want
confirmation from Jason Kidd that you good here?
Speaker 2 (09:13):
I mean, are we good? Now?
Speaker 3 (09:14):
There was some speculation because they did get to the
NBA Finals the year before. Then all of a sudden, Luca,
you know, is traded, and there was speculation. In fact,
I think it was stated that Jason Kidd didn't didn't
know about that trade. So if I mean, if you're
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Nico Harris person, maybe you want to talk to Jason
Kidd at this point because maybe if he didn't really
know or didn't buy into the Luca trade, maybe you
want to know, like, you, are we good? Are we
good going forward with this? Because I'm good with you
but do you want to talk to them. If you do,
we'll grant your permission. My guess is that Jason Kidds said,
(09:58):
I'm good.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
So speaking of the wordsoft, Dave, the Oklahoma City Thunder
back at action tonight.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
YEP in Indiana taking on the Pacers. You already know
how I feel about this?
Speaker 1 (10:15):
Well, no, I don't. I don't know how you feel
about to night's game.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
I mean don't, don't don't.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
Well, don't give give me your pick yet, because we
need to show me the money.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
I think I told you after game two, might have
said it before game one, Okay, I would not. I
mean I kind of hope I'm wrong, but I wouldn't
be surprised if Oak City wins both games in Indiana.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Yeah, they're favored by five and a half, still still
holding there around five and a half.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
I mean Indiana, I mean they the Indiana's been good
at home. I think they're eight and two. I think
they're eight and two at home. Haven't lost.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
I haven't lost back to back since March tenth, Indiana.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
Okay, well, you might want to take the Pacers plus
five and a half.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
Ryan, See, I'm trying to bait you.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
He's casting that trying to move you in s that
did not work out his movie. It was one of
those movement always when I said it out loud, like
David said to me, He's like, I got.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
You do it.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
And I almost said to you, you never want to bait.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Like if you if you were an.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
Excellent chess player, yes, which you would be known as
a what.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
Master?
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Thank you?
Speaker 3 (11:38):
So now we get back into what was going through
my mind, and thankfully I stopped. I said, you never
want to bait uh master, you know? And then I said, no,
I'm not. That won't work. So we'll see.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Yeah, well I'm looking forward to you are chasing a
little bit tonight.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
I'm two games. I'm three games off the pace the
three after two nights. Yeah, you're not very good. You're
gonna make up some ground, very good.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
We gonna go back to the rockies here and I
don't know if that. Yeah you went one and one
last night. Yeah, got that going for me?
Speaker 1 (12:12):
What do you that's right? Because you you had oh
you had the under. Yeah we had the under barely
scraped out there.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
Why are you looking at me like, but I can't
try what you picked. I think you took the Under
as well.
Speaker 4 (12:27):
Right, I took the Giants and under that's where you
took the Giants, the Giants.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
You don't believe in the Rockies at all.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
I'm not saying that I don't believe in them, but
twelve and fifty four I need remind both of the
part of the predictions yesterday. That was my choice. I
took the Rockies, didn't I you took No, you took
the Giants the Giants.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Yeah, okay, something on the text line.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
I don't see the Rockies ever with the Capital E
turning the corner and becoming a winning team.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Well, they they've They've had winning seasons they have.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
Right, the fine winning went to the World Series in
two thousands.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
That's like so many ages ago.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
When did you play in the NFL?
Speaker 4 (13:05):
I played, Well, were you NFL?
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Were you in the NFL in two thousand and seven?
Speaker 4 (13:10):
Yes? I was.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
Okay, So you played in the NFL so many ages ago?
Speaker 5 (13:14):
Well, yes, exactly right. I would look at it in
that particular way.
Speaker 4 (13:18):
It was so many ages ago.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
So when you look look at you as a modern
day player.
Speaker 5 (13:24):
That's probably because the way I'm physically built now, right, that's.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
That's the only thing you like. You some you you
have no kidding hold.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
On, you like getting the full length mirror with your
little tott and shorts on and say look at this.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
Wait, wait, see see, I see what Dave is doing.
Speaker 5 (13:41):
What you're doing, Dave is projecting a little what he does.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
Listen, though you look a little ashy, You need you
need to get some movie.
Speaker 5 (13:50):
What you know what that might be the case, which
therefore is not. But you know black doesn't crack so good.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
It does unless you put some millions on trust me
on that use as a baby oil millions. It's my
own words. Well, how would you define such a word?
How would I define it to?
Speaker 4 (14:11):
Yes, because I have no idea what that is?
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Jullion. It can be, uh, it can be.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
It can be a number of things like if you like,
if you want if if Friday night you were home
and you did a long week and you wanted just
a nice mullion a cocktail, you say I need a
little bit of that million, Or if you were ashy
as you are, then after you get out of the
shower on that Friday night and stand in front of
the mirror with him cotton shorts on, you put some
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lather on you. You put some million some million, and
I spell it, even though I don't think it's a word.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
M U L L I E n T.
Speaker 5 (14:50):
I think I'm gonna go back to what Ryan said earlier.
I really use poutine.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
Oh we've all used poutine from top to shide. I
mean I have. It's I like the potatoes and the gravy.
I'm not a big gravy guy. But there's beef in
there in gray. There's no beef in poutine. Yes there
is where I mean, maybe not in the Canadian poutine
(15:19):
that I've had a Canadian.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
I know, I said I was Canadian.
Speaker 5 (15:22):
I say in the Canadian poutine that I've had, I've.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Had no Canadian poontein.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
What's that like a lot of gravy.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
Whezer, kai common spur, health text line, a lot of
funny text coming in here. I've never heard a group
of guys get so close to the line and not
get caught. Well, thank you actually should be the byeline
of the show.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
It should. Hell, I was entertained.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
French fries, broad gravy, and cheese curds. Yeah, that's that's
that's that's yeah definition. I don't think any other show
in Denver talks about poutine as much.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
As we do.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
Well, maybe they need to get some pootine in their life.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Apparently, standing in front of a mirror with my cotton
shorts on, I stand in front of the mirror with
my night shirt on. Than what I'm supposed to do, Dave, Yeah,
I don't. I don't know a nice shirt anyway as
a night shirt. You know when the shirt he wears
a shirt to bed.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
Let's it. I think that's all of this is. And
I think I don't know if it goes down to
his knees or what.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
Wait wait, he's got like on a grandma's shirt.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
I don't know what the night shirt is. This is
this is predates me. But I know that Dave wears
a shirt to bed.
Speaker 4 (16:36):
I thought everyone wears shirts to bed.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
I don't wear a shirt to bed.
Speaker 4 (16:40):
Thank you don't wear a shirt to bed.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
I want to wear a shirt to bed. It's hot,
what do you?
Speaker 4 (16:45):
I'm sorry? Is there like some kind of a strain
in order on using an a seed during the summer?
Speaker 2 (16:49):
Well, I use the aces just there's no reason to
wear a shirt to bed.
Speaker 4 (16:54):
Hey man, you know what I'm not here to judge.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
I just thought it's more like a T shirt, like
a long T shirt's not called is well by a
couple of listeners, it got it got referred to as
a nice shirt.
Speaker 4 (17:07):
How long is this shirt? Is it standard?
Speaker 2 (17:10):
Like we're talking like I'm in standard, like below my knees.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
That's like that's a Grandmace T shirt like you're.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Seeing Peter Pan with the kids, like flot out the window.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
I'm just calling, I'm just teasing. It's not below my knees. Okay,
it's it's long enough. Okay, you know I'm gonna leave
you there. You sleep, so you sleep in no shirt,
no shirt, you sleep in your drawers. What I don't know, man,
(17:46):
can't see you sleeping like nugget.
Speaker 5 (17:49):
Well, first of all, Dave, let's correct that no one
wants to see that.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Yeah, no, no, give me that visual.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
I don't want it. No, what's that?
Speaker 2 (17:59):
I don't know what you have?
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Well, not that I did before, but but like with kids,
that that would be I think extremely awkward.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
You sleep with them too, No no, no, no, no,
no awkward? Another room? Yeah they see another room, but
they like come.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
In in the morning and like you're liking your shorts. Yeah,
I'm just my shorts is fine. I mean, that's like, dad,
what's up? That's right, it's not a big deal. If
they laugh hysterically, that's a problem.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Would be a problem. Yes, the same thing the winter.
But I have a weighted blanket that I'm a big
fan of.
Speaker 4 (18:30):
Oh excuse me, a weighted blanket.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Those are good.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
Life changing might be a white dude thing. Might be
because I've never heard about it. I never I never heard.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
Well Ryan had never heard ashy or a brother.
Speaker 4 (18:45):
Well, man, it happens sometimes.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
What was that term that you invented, the ashy.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
No no, no sort with an m uh.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Ulliant mullion. I like some of that brilliant. I tried
googling it.
Speaker 4 (18:59):
It didn't come out there.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
That's my own words, your word.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
Yeah, like like I've used it with yogurt man, what
kind of moon it's said, strawberry.
Speaker 4 (19:08):
Give me some of that so you can use this
and for anything in life.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
Yeah, but the way to blanket legitimately, I might have
to check this out. Life changing, big fan.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
You get cold, like real cold in the winter.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
You're from Miami and most of the places I played
have been cold weather places.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
So it's an easy question. I don't have any get
cold in the winter. No, I don't you like cold weather?
Speaker 4 (19:34):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (19:34):
I do?
Speaker 2 (19:35):
So you were you are an uncommon brother.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
I told you.
Speaker 4 (19:39):
I'm just saying I'm not sure average black guy. I
told you that before.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
That's why we get along.
Speaker 4 (19:43):
So well there you go.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Yes, So Sean Payton talking about pap rant today, We've
been we've been teasing this for for a little while.
I do want to get to it. I do too,
I could tell I do too. Pap Ryant is, for
what it's worth, making the most of his opportunities. Devine
Veley has not been available for whatever reason for Manatoury
Mini camp. So we've seen a lot of Pap Brian,
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especially with the first team. And he was asked today
about Pat and well he can't he just can't help
but tell us how much he loves him.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
Do you like what you see?
Speaker 4 (20:17):
I like what I see.
Speaker 5 (20:18):
And so.
Speaker 6 (20:20):
He's tough and look there's things you know where he's
catching one like this.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
You know, there's there's things that.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
You're you're you're immediately.
Speaker 6 (20:32):
On these guys and that's good to great like that's
that's that's coaching. But interview him, be around him. It's
so important to him. And I would say that's probably
the case with so many of these young guys. I mean,
(20:54):
it's not like an accident. There there's a profile we're
looking for.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Yeah, and he continued on about the pro file and
you kind of get it right. I mean, although he
did say today something that disurprised me. He said he
wasn't aware that his first three picks of the Broncos'
first three picks in the draft for all captains. He
said he wasn't aware of that. I mean, I gotta
imagine George Peyton and the rest of the front office
staff was, but he said, I wasn't aware that they
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were all captains. He's like, it was a personality that
we are looking for. He's like, doesn't surprise me that
you could tell me that he's like but that that
isn't something that I knew.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Yeah, I could see that that'd being true. There's a
lot of things. I think.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
When he talks about there's a personality trait, there are
traits that were looking for and I think we we
sort of were made aware of some of those traits
when Sean first took over because We talked to former
players that had played for and we talked to guys
that had coached with him, and I mean they said
(21:53):
a variety of things, but they all said two or three,
three or four exactly the same things. He's going to
find out how much you love football. He wants smart players,
tough players, and guys who love ball. He doesn't want
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to deal with guys, even if they're good at ball,
that it might not be a priority in their life.
And you know he inherited I think. I mean, if
you look at the guys that were here when he
got here that are no longer here, I think I
think it's pretty easy to say that over a two
(22:34):
year season, two years of season play, Sean is putting
stamp on this roster in terms of the guys he wants.
Speaker 5 (22:43):
That's how you determine the dedication of a particular player.
Speaker 4 (22:47):
Do you love it?
Speaker 5 (22:48):
And in every single year during the combine, we always
hear these interviews and guys are constantly talking about how
they love the game. And as a coach, you get
a chance to really see it, because when you hit
that wall, that first moment of adversity, how do you
handle it? Can you bounce back from that because we
know that this game is tough, both physically but more
(23:11):
importantly mentally. So when Sean Payton said that to me,
that's what I was thinking about. You want mentally tough guys,
because we've seen coach on game days, right, and he's
a lot different than he is at the podium at practice.
Speaker 4 (23:28):
He's a more intense guy. He's been around intense coaches.
Speaker 5 (23:31):
Anyone who spent any time around Bill Parcells from a
player or coaching standpoint, you understand what that means. I
need you to love this sport because I need you
to show up on game day and exhaust yourself both
physically and mentally. And this is where the culture has
somewhat changed around here. I believe we all can.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Agree on that.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
And maybe I didn't give enough credence once a June
eleventh conversation, but Pat Brian might have a bigger role
this year than I think I originally projected. I thought
there'd be more like a figure it out kind of season.
Once again, they're not wearing pads.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
I don't know. I don't want to.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
You tease me about this a lot, Dave that I
go too far with conclusions in mid June. Well, man,
he looks great. I mean he looks really really good
out there.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
Well, and I think you add to that that obviously
the head coach loves him, right, head coach drafting him,
He was drafting in the third round when there were
some that followed the draft closely that said he was
a fourth or fifth round pick. And so I think,
I mean, Sewan's like other coaches in this regard, other
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guys that we know that are head coaches in the league,
they like to be right and then they like to
point out to you. I told you, I tried to
tell you, so you just don't listen very well. So yeah,
I mean I could I could see a world that.
I mean, he's listed all the things that he loves
about this kid. Football is really important to him.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
He's tough.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
You know, he makes cat's described him today, he makes
catches here, then he makes catches over here. Okay to me,
the guys that should be listening to those comments are
the other wide receivers. Because the head coach is telling
you where his mindset is going into training camp.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
Well, in that moment, that first moment right when, because
I think it was Eric Delalla that asked the question, and.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
He's like, you like what you see kind of a smile.
It's like, I like what I see?
Speaker 7 (25:40):
That That right there was so unbelievably telling. But then
we get the same vibe last year with Devon Bailey. Right,
those are some of the same comments that were made
by Devon Veyle.
Speaker 5 (25:53):
So for me, it's like, when you look at the
wide receiver room in a way it's made of now
with Saun praising last year and this year it is Bryant,
what does that mean for the other guys?
Speaker 4 (26:05):
Who's a man out? So you got to be looking
around the room saying and I know.
Speaker 5 (26:09):
Sean Payne talked about this maybe maybe maybe yesterday that
the media should not get into the fact of trying
to determine who's gonna make the team and who's not.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
We shouldn't count, So don't start counting counting, but you
can't help but do it, especially if you're a guy
on that roster.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
No offense to Sean, but the count's pretty obvious at
this point.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
At least we're six deep, like the wide receiver room,
someone's got to go. I mean, I I'd say you're set.
You're set at six Sometimes some teams will do five.
But again, if we're doing the counts, sorry, Sean, if
we're doing the counts, six is the number. Maybe if
you're only keeping two quarterbacks, if you.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
Counted today, Let's let's just engage.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
Engage in this game a bit.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
If you were counting Ryan today, and let's just say
we agree the th wide receiver room. More times than not,
it's going to have six. I've seen it work with five,
depending on a back, but let's just say six.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Name your six, so Court, Marvin Mims, Devon Veley, have
no particular order right here, Troy Franklin, Treyserfield, and Pat Bryant.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
Okay, that's six. I think it's I think it's hard
to argue with those six.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
And it's not to say that because he doesn't want
to do that exercise because he wants the guys to
continue to compete. Yeah, totally respect that. The same thing
when he was asked about JK. Dobbins, He's like, no
roles have been defined, even though we can all watch R. J.
Harvey running with the ones out there, not with the
third team. Different conversation, I guess, But yeah, I mean,
(27:52):
if you're going with six, maybe you get to seven,
but there's no way you're going to go to five, right,
I mean, like, who's who's that group is not making it?
Turn on your mic?
Speaker 4 (28:01):
Excuse me? Did you in your account mention Sheffield? Okay?
Speaker 2 (28:06):
And he got two touchdowns today?
Speaker 4 (28:07):
Well, you know what?
Speaker 5 (28:07):
You know? Who else has been impressive so far? And
I know it's just OTA's mini camp? Bandy is Michael Bandya?
Speaker 4 (28:16):
Why do you look like that you're discounting? I mean
there's something there. What do you what do you want
to say?
Speaker 2 (28:25):
I I don't listen, I like Michael Bandy.
Speaker 4 (28:28):
It doesn't sound like you do. So like there's something else.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
You qualify your like I like Michael Bandy, but he's
not gonna make the team. Is that what you're saying? Yeah,
that's that's what it is.
Speaker 5 (28:41):
You know what, Listen, he has the potential to make
things tough if he goes out there and he plays well.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
He plays well every training camp.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
He's played well in training camp, he plays well in
preseason games.
Speaker 4 (28:52):
So what's what's what's the issue?
Speaker 3 (28:53):
Then?
Speaker 4 (28:54):
If he's been playing this well, is it is it
him or is it those making a decision?
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Do you think Josh Reynolds will get really least midway
through the season at the start of training camp, not
start training him now.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
So that would be an illustration of crazy things happen
during the year. Right, if they kept five instead of
six and they liked an extra tight end who they
thought was a red zone threat, that you know, I'm
(29:28):
not saying that it's going to happen. I say that
that's how numbers all of a sudden. I mean they
may look at they may look at the tight end.
They just no the tight end. They just the free
agent Evan Ingram. They may look at him and say,
I mean, he's going to play tight end, but plenty
(29:51):
of times he can play outside too. Right, So they
start mixing and matching, especially coaches in training camp. They
get fatigued because they're up all all hours. They're up early,
they stay up late. They get fatigued, and then they
sit and I think, honestly they start to go a
little stir crazy looking at film and all that, and
they come up with these ideas that they might not
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even have had going into camp. And Evan Ingram is
sort of a wild card to me because his body,
he's gonna play tight end. But he runs, he moves
like a wide receiver, big wide receiver.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
So I don't know. I think it's gonna be really
interesting way.
Speaker 5 (30:29):
But here's the part that I hate from a defensive standpoint,
because everyone always leans towards the offense. You need more
wide receivers, you need more offensive lineman. So usually that
means is that you're gonna cancel out a skill guy,
and that skill guy is normally the guy in the secondary.
Speaker 4 (30:46):
You lose the safety, you lose a corner.
Speaker 5 (30:49):
And if it sounds that way, then it should be
because you get offensive lineman who you have to say, well,
we need this offensive lineman up for game day.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
Well he's not only any special teams, he can't cover
damn soul.
Speaker 5 (31:03):
But you take away from the secondary to provide another
offensive lineman who's not contributed.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
Because it's easier, all due respect to a guy who
played ten years in the league or Haverman, you played
a long time, it's a lot easier to find a safety,
not necessarily a great player, but a safety as opposed
to like an offensive lineman that can play.
Speaker 5 (31:28):
I know that is typically the philosophy, but that offensive lineman,
he's not giving you anything on Putt team kickoff. Only
thing he's helped giving you something all from a production standpoints,
being an extra lineman on Pat two, we go.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
Well, you can't find fault because he's three hundred and
thirty pounds.
Speaker 4 (31:46):
Can't move.
Speaker 5 (31:48):
I want guys who can move, who are physical, who
I can count on. But we always get shafted in
this situation.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
I mean, if you at two hundred pound, would you
play two or five?
Speaker 4 (31:57):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (31:58):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
So if they just said, Nick, we love the way
you move, and this week against the Bears, we're gonna
play you guard. You're gonna pull you a lot, but
you're gonna play guard.
Speaker 5 (32:11):
Hey, Alex Gibbs, just show me where I need to go.
What's blocking your little lass in their guards? Oh my gosh,
that would.
Speaker 4 (32:22):
Have been hilarious.
Speaker 5 (32:24):
But what happens on every single team, all thirty two teams,
when it comes down to cut down town and they're
trying to figure out how to piece the team.
Speaker 4 (32:32):
Together, they always look at the dbs.
Speaker 5 (32:34):
Based on what you just said, we can always go
find another one of these guys. And this is how
good talent kind of finding themselves out of the lead.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
That's why you're sitting here with us. Hey, very true,
because they tried to lend you up a guard.
Speaker 4 (32:47):
Well, no, not. I would cut on every single play.
Speaker 5 (32:53):
Ain't no cutting. We're gonna pull you around the corner.
That's right, and I'm cut those guys out there on edge.
I'm gona throw. That's what you teach your losses alignment.
You gotta throw.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
Let me ask you this, Dave.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
So, if they keep five wide receivers, who would be
the odd man out?
Speaker 3 (33:07):
Well, I don't know that they're going to keep five
because six has kind of been the magical number. I'm
just saying. Coaches, they do crazy things. You know, the
back the rhyne back room is crazy because is you know,
four and five in that room have to.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
Be special teams guys. But is one of them really elite?
Speaker 3 (33:28):
I mean Blake Watson, who's an undrafted was he undrafted?
Speaker 2 (33:32):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (33:33):
Yeah, undrafted college free agent last year made the team.
I thought, had some moments. He's an excellent, excellent pass receiver.
Speaker 5 (33:42):
You know.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
Jaliel what I mean? Jaliel can help in special teams.
But when you when you think about that, Jialiel helping
the special teams has to be in the return game.
You're not gonna lie up Julian mcgloughlin as a punt gunner.
Ain't gonna happened. So he's he has to win the
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job in terms of being the return guy. If he
let's say he doesn't. Okay, Now is he the third
back or is it oddric Estimate? How does Adric Estimate
make the team? What sort of special team contribution that
big young guy. You would think he could probably help
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you on special teams, But I don't know special teams
is going to be key to anybody.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
That is not a rotational slash starter in the league.
Speaker 5 (34:35):
Estimate strikes me as being a knollback on the plant team, right,
That's a place where you can actually play him to
use his size, his speed and his athleticism. Now you say,
well putting jolt at gunner, I would try him there
just to see if it works, because we know he
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has the speed. The CV has a quick to kind
of be elusive to get away from that that double vice.
Speaker 3 (35:02):
But I would put him there. I mean, this is
a great time, Trey Moon Smith. I'm trying to think
on punt teams, Traymon Smith.
Speaker 2 (35:12):
I thought Skinner was down there. It was definitely on
the punt team. I'm not sure he was the gunner.
Speaker 4 (35:15):
No, No, I think he was like a guard o.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
Yeah, I mean that's that's a position.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
I mean, I wasn't a starter my rookie year, but
so I was on every special team, including I was
the gunner on the punt team.
Speaker 4 (35:33):
A grown that's a grown ass man job.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
Now, back then they could they could cut you. Also,
they can't cut you.
Speaker 4 (35:40):
Now they cut you.
Speaker 3 (35:41):
They could cut you. Wow, yes, sir, So it was
I mean it was it was like hand to hand combat.
And I'm thinking I never I didn't play special teams one.
I mean I was a punt returner and a punter
in college, but I didn't cover any kicks ever in college. Well,
you you better learn your rookie year. Hey, you're on
(36:03):
your you'r L two on kickoff on kickoff coverage and
you're the gunner on punt coverage.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
Had a way to make it work.
Speaker 5 (36:11):
Yeah, if you get a chance, Ryan, and you started
watching games this season on pont team, just watch that
position versus the double jam.
Speaker 4 (36:20):
The rules of change. Like, I didn't know they got
a chance to cut them when they played.
Speaker 5 (36:24):
Ahole thing is, how can we get the How quickly
can we get the guy to the gatorade on the
side out.
Speaker 3 (36:29):
Of bounds and he's got to come directly back in bounds. Yes,
if he runs like you know, I think it's subjective.
But if you run like four or five steps out
of bounds, flag like you got to come back.
Speaker 4 (36:41):
In and which is it waiting for you?
Speaker 2 (36:44):
I bet you are
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