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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Nick ferguson walking up to six o'clock when we have
Rockies baseball.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
The Rockies are once again hosting the Giants.
Speaker 1 (00:06):
The weather it's a little dark out there, right out
the clouds, but I haven't heard anything as far as
reasons why that it will not happen on time.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
But hopefully the Rockies can.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
Get a win tonight, day two of mandatory mini camps.
In the book, the Broncos will practice tomorrow. The big
news today was JK. Dobbins was out there. In fact,
he even spoke with the media afterwards, and here's what
he said about why he chose Denver.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
I felt like it was the best pit for me.
The defense is really.
Speaker 4 (00:35):
Good, like super good quarterbacks amazing. I like the RV
room online is amazing as well, so it was a
no brainer. And coach Sean Payton and all the other
coaches on the staff too, so I know I'll get
coach well here. And I also heard that it's a
good fan base, so that's why.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
I'm here more than a fan, I guess with the
Chargers right, good fan base compared to fluting near mind,
I was trying to make a joke about it.
Speaker 5 (01:06):
They've got a few more fans and so far they did.
What was the name of the soccer stadium?
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Yeah, what was that?
Speaker 3 (01:13):
That's a good question.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
I can google that here.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
It held about it was about fourteen, something like.
Speaker 5 (01:20):
Seventeen or yeah something, my dad not many. No, it
was I'm thinking the first time I walked in and
I'm like, I think it's kind of a cool looking stadium.
But I can't believe we're going to broadcast an NFL game.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
For the Health Sports Park?
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Is that it really? No? I think it was? Is
Carson something? Right?
Speaker 1 (01:36):
No?
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Was it?
Speaker 3 (01:38):
It was?
Speaker 1 (01:38):
It was a very small intimate so seen thirty thousand
and it was, and it was the temporary home.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Okay, that's right.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Anyways, you know, he also said something else that was
kind of interesting. He said, I've been to the playoffs.
I'm tired of just going to the playoffs. I want
to win a championship. He's like, so that that's my goal.
I'm coming here to win championships, And I mean I
dig that. Yeah, I mean that's a great mindset. But
it also kind of goes to a little bit of
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what a lot of the free agents that did choose Denver.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Right, we heard it from Tellanoa Hufanga. We've heard it, well.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
I think we haven't heard Drake Greenlaw talk yet, but
I imagine it's similar mindset for him.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
We heard it from Evan Ingram.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
They chose Denver in part because of what they're building here,
and they do believe this is a championship team, or
at least they have the makings of that, including the quarterback.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
So do you do you not like that? I love it. No,
I love it too.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
I mean you just talk about a juxtaposition from what
we've been, what this team has been over the last decade.
Speaker 5 (02:37):
I think you know, I mean last year, we all
know they got to the playoffs first time since twenty fifteen,
rookie quarterback. I mean, the story's been chronicled, and a
lot of those.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Guys are back.
Speaker 5 (02:54):
The quarterback is going into a second year, and they
added some really significant pieces again on paper.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
So yeah, I think.
Speaker 5 (03:02):
I mean, I think if you polled national writers about
and I've seen a couple of things like this, Hey,
is there a team or two that you think could
sort of fly under the radar but be a Super
Bowl contending kind of team. And I've seen Denver mentioned
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a couple of times when talked like that happens.
Speaker 6 (03:26):
You know, one thing about Dobbins coming here is the
level of motivation. You're staying within the same division. You're
facing off against the Chargers, they know you, you know them,
but also coming to this team. Yeah, you're coming to
this organization because Sean Payton, George Peyton, everything you've seen,
and you've heard about bo Nicks, but also too looking
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at things from a true football standpoint, think about the defense.
If you're running back and you want to score touchdowns,
you can only do that if the offense has the ball.
And with green Law and Fala being added to a
defense that had a historic sixty three sacks last season,
you have to figure you're going to get your touches.
And I wasn't previous to the meeting. I don't know
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who was there, what was said, but you have to
feel as though that was something that was told to him.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
Dude, last year you had nine touchdowns.
Speaker 6 (04:20):
You can have more red zone touchdowns this year, which
could possibly not possibly will eat until the eight touchdowns
that Courtland Sudden had last year. So to me, this
is a great problem to have to say. Well, when
you get inside the red zone. Who's going to get
the ball? Are you going to hand it to RJ?
Are you going to give it to JK? Or are
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you going to give it to Courland Or are you
going to give it to Evan Ingram. That's a problem
that you definitely want to happen. Hey man, sign me
up for it.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
You realize that JK Dobbins, other than twenty twenty three,
when he played in only one game and an eight carries,
he's averaged he had just four point six yards per
carry last year, five point seven in twenty twenty two,
and six yards per carry in his rookie season of
twenty twenty.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Six yards per carry on one hundred and thirty four carries.
Speaker 6 (05:10):
It's like every time he touches the ball that is
close to a first down, that puts your ahead.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
Of the change. Remarkable. So now, Sean Payton, you can
call almost anything.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
I mean, imagine this for a second. The Broncos, I'll see.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
What their running backs. I got it right here.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
So Javonte averaged three point seven, jillil actually averaged four
point four.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Bonix led the team with four point seven.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
Imagine if you had a starting running back last year
that averaged four point six yards per carry, Like, what
does that do for the running back room? If you've
got a running back that's above average there and there's
been a minute since we have I.
Speaker 5 (05:51):
Think the word that I've used countless times is efficient.
The Broncos were not as efficient in the right back
room last year as a playoff team has to be right.
They left your I believe they left yardage on the field,
so they've upgraded the position. That's that's how the league works,
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and I think they were I think I think they
love R. J. Harvey, they love his potential, and I
think obviously when you bring a guy like JK. Dobbins in,
I mean that that tells you. I mean, the league
is about getting better. They go out, the teams try
to get better. And even if you've had a good
year and you think, man, I did pretty well last year,
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I mean I really did.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
It depends on what the club you play.
Speaker 5 (06:39):
For things, and they're trying to improve that position that
you happen to play in every single way they can.
And then if you start to make too much money
and you start to get a little bit older, they
try to find younger guys that can come in it
might not be quite as good as you, but they're
pretty damn good and they make a lot less money
and then all of a sudden you become a air quote
cap casualty. That's just how the whole thing in the
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league works. So not surprising in terms of running backs
at it.
Speaker 6 (07:06):
Let me throw this into the conversation because I know
last season there was a huge issue with the Broncos
being able to run the ball. In efficiency like you described,
was a huge part of it.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
So seeing that the team had RJ. Harvey and JK.
Speaker 6 (07:20):
Dobbs ideas that, oh, Chempagnon's going to run the ball
more this year than he ran it last year. Yes,
the Broncos are going to run the ball. But I
still see it a little different because what's the skill
set that both of these guys are bringing to the table.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
They can catch the ball out of the backfield.
Speaker 6 (07:38):
And I said, well, let me go back and watch
some of games that Champagnon call with the New Orleans Saints.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
The screen game was so huge and we didn't really
see a lot of that last season.
Speaker 6 (07:49):
We saw a lot of it with Marvin Mims, but
you want to see it with the running back because
I'm thinking Abacamara, Duce McCallister, right, Pierre Thomas. Those guys
they got those handoffs, but they caught the ball out
of the back trip. That's how you make your offense
more dynamics. So I'm expecting to see a more spread,
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dynamic offense than we've seen in years past.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Sean Payton had a really kind of fun back and
forth on RJ.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Harvey today. Here's what it was sounding. That was RJ.
Harvey doing insurance of his receiving skills. Good. Yeah, has
it surprised you at all?
Speaker 6 (08:25):
Or no?
Speaker 3 (08:26):
He's doing well. He's doing well.
Speaker 7 (08:29):
We haven't given him a joker wings or any of
that yet, but he's doing well.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
He used to being playful with the media. Today I see.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
I I like the playful Sean.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
He's in a good mood and I think we all had.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
Lost the game. He's unbeaten.
Speaker 6 (08:47):
I told you there's a difference between Sean Payne at
the podium now. I'm sure to the guy Sean Payton
after the games, that's a different guy.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
But but I can I appreciate a little bit of
a snarky kind of back and forth, little sparring kind
of deal.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Like he knows that.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
He knows that the media, and he's smart about this,
are trying to frame things in a way that they
can get a specific kind of quote so they can
write their stories, or they can do the shows and
all those kinds of things, and he likes to play
with it a little bit. So he's like, Okay, well,
you guys are trying to write an article about R. J.
Harvey as a receiver out of the backfield, and you
want to, you know, kind of frame this thing is.
Is he that kind of guy? Oh, you want to
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go into the joker thing. And by the way, you're
the one introduced the joker stuff to us, Sean. We're
the only reason this joker gets talked about as much
as it does is because you talked to Kay Adams
out of the Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
Come on, man, save with the chest? Wow? Whoa.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
But anyway, so he's how he.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
I actually enjoy it though, because he takes those moments
and he kind of puts it right back on us
and say, all right, well, I know what you're going for,
so I'm gonna go ahead.
Speaker 5 (09:48):
And I don't know, Sam, that gives a lot of
credit to us. You think you're giving a lot of
credit to us. I think sometimes you're just asking the
question because you legitimately, in this case, want to know
how's your rookie out of Central Florida doing. I mean,
that was pretty much. So you think that question and
I think that was Chris.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
No, that was Bruce. I think Bruce Brucetle.
Speaker 5 (10:12):
Yeah, all right, So you think that question was asked
because Bruce wants to write a story about R. J.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
Harvey's receiving ability.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Not that one specifically, but there are times when certain
media members will ask the same. Oh.
Speaker 5 (10:26):
I'm not saying that that that what you just described
doesn't happen, but I think in this case, I mean,
I think there are guys like like when I go
to his press conference or whatever, I'm not ever going
to ask question because he's not going to tell you
too much, and I get a chance to interview him
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so he'll I can ask him sort of off the
mic things that I need to know. But I think
I think that at times, as a member of the media,
you're just trying to figure, Okay, is there a way
for me to get in here.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
I want to ask a question.
Speaker 5 (11:03):
I sure don't want to piss him off, and I
don't want to ask him something. He's going to look
those laser eyes of me and act like I'm stupid.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
So there's a lot of pressure.
Speaker 5 (11:12):
I mean, I think there's a lot of pressure from
members of the media in terms of I want to
ask a question, but damn I wanted to be received
the way I intended it.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
I think that's fair. And then that that is fair.
And as somebody that does ask questions.
Speaker 5 (11:26):
He's never has he ever lasered you, No, he's laser
He will this year probably.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
I'm just telling it. It's good. Has coming.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Yeah, I'll ask something that'll.
Speaker 5 (11:36):
He will refer to at some point this year. The
flannel shirt, I'm just telling you. Have you won a
flannel shirt at every single practice?
Speaker 3 (11:46):
No?
Speaker 2 (11:46):
No, In fact, this isn't even really flannel. It looks flannel.
Speaker 5 (11:49):
It's not flanning two times, two times a week, eighteen weeks,
thirty six opportunities.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
Last year I went back and checked eight times, twenty
eight times, right, not every time. So so you stand out.
Speaker 6 (12:06):
So so when coach looks amongst the crowd, right, he
sees you, whether you answer or me asking you a
question or not, he sees you, I'm.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
A bit of a beacon. Yes, it's an appropriate level
of flannel. Though as far as I'm concerned.
Speaker 6 (12:22):
Well, then you were to see the key is are
you wearing the flannel for that particular reasons?
Speaker 3 (12:27):
Flannel today and it was degrees.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
This is not This is like T shirt materials.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
That's flannel.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
This is not flannel.
Speaker 6 (12:34):
This is what Dave right and I had a moment
at practice today and I told Ryan I was standing
at a point in practice so I can see the
team better.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
Ryan chose not to join.
Speaker 6 (12:46):
Me because he said he doesn't want to stand in
the sun.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
Yes, it was. It was. It was a little too
hot for that. It does.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Yes, yeah, he was like, I'm going to go over
here so I get a better angle.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
I was like, I got the shame.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
I'm good.
Speaker 6 (13:01):
Wow, yeah exactly. I'm like, I thought you were here
for a reason. Come join me so we can we
can talk about saying in fairness.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
In fairness, okay, the team portion hadn't started yet. We
were still doing No, it wasn't even seven on seven yet,
not yet. You went over there early for quarterbacks thrown
to wide receivers and tight ends in.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
The red zone. So I can see, right, but not
even against Defferense happened.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
You don't really need that.
Speaker 6 (13:34):
I want to see how guys position themselves, how they
set up a bunch two man two man stags, how
they cleared routes.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
That's what I wanted to see.
Speaker 6 (13:42):
And we were having a great conversation before it went over,
and I thought it would continue, but you were like, no,
I'm too good.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
I'm standing in the shade.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
I said, okay, yes, got plenty of work though, watching
team and seven to seven later.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
Good for you, Good for you.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
I just didn't under stand in the sun.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
I did not want to get sunburned this early in
the process.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
Oh do you gonna get sunburned?
Speaker 2 (14:04):
I did actually get sunburn.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
On my arm little Oh my god. You at your watch?
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Well, that's right, that's right, because I missed this. I'm
a sunscreen right here.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
You see it is Ryan's an SP fifty. I am.
Speaker 6 (14:14):
Well see, I'd say the SP fifty to mean something
else other than some protection.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
So h maybe that's just me, that's just you. Okay.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
Sean did give a really cool answer on what makes
for an explosive running back.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
I think I think, Zach asked this question that.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
We try to reframe the same questions over and over
again about JK.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Dobbins.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
So this was a good question about explosive running backs,
and Sean give us a very good answer.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
You want to.
Speaker 7 (14:41):
See want a place block? Do you want to see
that yardage? And some you know, the good runners, they
have a little spaghetti sauce to the recipe that that's important.
And I don't want to make comparisons to him because
I haven't been with him long enough. But when you
see the consistency, it's not an accident. And so it's
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another and I say this, it's another good football player.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
We're adding to our team.
Speaker 7 (15:12):
And then we'll see how training camp goes, see how
all the carries goes, and you know what, when that
time comes to you, guys are going to.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
Know, just like I'm gonna know, you're gonna see.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
It reminded me last year a little bit when he
with Bo and he's like, yeah, you'll know what I know.
You'll know who our starting quarterback is what I know.
And I guess it's the same with a running back.
But it doesn't feel like that. It feels like JK. Dobbins. R. J.
Harvey it's going to be a two headed monster. Whether
you want a one A or one be it, that's
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gonna be. That's gonna be our.
Speaker 5 (15:45):
If it's anything else, it will be either due to injury,
which we all hope that doesn't happen, or a really
big upset of some sort. If if if it's not
Dobbins and Harvey, you know, most people, and I would
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be one of them, would be very surprised.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
Is the Broncos could average four and a half five
yards per carry.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
With that group?
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Yeah, I mean I think.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
I mean they're starting running back average three point six.
It feels like that's like as low as you could
possibly go.
Speaker 5 (16:22):
Well, I mean, all due respect, and that's that's why
he's in Dallas, you know. I mean they're just there.
There were additional yards to be had if you go
back and look at even go back and look at
the first six games, I mean, there were additional yards
to be made.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
And it's hard enough to make yards in this team.
Speaker 5 (16:44):
But when you when you set it up and you
call it right and you block it right, you've got
to you've got to make those yards at at a
high clip, right, And and Sean was talking about it,
a little bit, and he said, you know when it's blocked,
and then he sort of which he does, he changes
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thoughts right in the middle of the stream, and he said,
you know, the really good backs have a little special
spaghetti sauce. And I'm thinking, metaphorically speaking, I don't even
know you know where you're going here with this, but
they just didn't get what they needed last year out
of the running back room, and there's two new running
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backs because of it.
Speaker 6 (17:30):
The idea is that you want to maximize what you
are putting on a field with these running backs, and
what I mean by that is that utilize their skill set.
These two backs definitely compliment one another and they are small,
compact guys and for me, being a former defensive players
like those guys have the potential to lower their pads
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and you heard this phrase, run behind your pads.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
They can do this.
Speaker 6 (17:58):
As we look at explosiveness is a question you know,
getting or determining the level of explosiveness out of a
player that lower body strength.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
To me, Kenny, can you move the pile?
Speaker 6 (18:09):
And your question, Ryan was can the Broncos average four
point four yards to carry? They can, But now there
has to be a dedication and commitment to it from
the play calling standpoint, the running back taking that on
as a goal, but more importantly, the offensive line in
those situations go back last season, the Broncos had an
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option to run it or throw it, or more or
less to stream it down a little, those short yardage plays,
picking up those fourth and ones, those third and two's
for me, if you're an offensive lineman and you truly
believe that, you tell the coach man, don't call it
pass and play put it on us. We're gonna pick
it up. We're going to create the hole so the
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running back can just fall forward. And with the two
running backs they have in RJ and JK, so guys
abbreviated their first names, but.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
They have the ability to fall forward.
Speaker 6 (19:02):
So yes, don't be surprised if the Broncos average anywhere
from four point four to four point six.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Man ability of imagining what this offense will be. If
you have that like that, that right there would be
just because because you're right, there are moments. Then we
heard yesterday from Sean when he was talking about the
red zone. I think about how different and how dynamic
the red zone and how effective you can be if
you do have a running game that can do those
kinds of.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Things when you can lean on that.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Do you think that he put I won't say he
put too much on on Bonix's plate last year, but
do you think there were times where he felt I
just don't I don't even know what my running game is.
I'm just gonna have bo go out there and handle it.
Or am I oversimplifying that.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
I yeah, I don't. I don't know. I mean, I think.
Speaker 5 (19:51):
I think they more than likely a guy like Sean
Payton goes into every single I think I think they're
really good coaches in the NFL.
Speaker 8 (20:00):
Well especially head coaches. Play designers are guys that have
the ability to process what happened in a game on Sunday,
whether you do it on Sunday night, most guys do.
And you're processing what happened on Monday, but you're also
working on the next game plan. And then by Tuesday,
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actually by Monday like afternoon, you've completely wiped that slate clean.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
You know what you did well, you're aware of what
you didn't do well.
Speaker 5 (20:32):
And in last year's case, running the ball was not
really what they did well. But you go into the
next week and I don't know that it plays a big,
big part. Maybe later in the season it does, but
a big part in terms of like next week's game plan.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
Man, we haven't been able to run ball well the last.
Speaker 5 (20:49):
Two games, so I'm gonna get away from the run
that Most coaches don't I mean the head coaches in
the league, they don't think that. What they think is
I'm I'm gonna come up with or we're gonna come
up with two or three little wrinkles that will help us.
We're gonna be better this week against this team down there.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
Now.
Speaker 5 (21:10):
Don't always work out, and then they go back to
the drawing board and have the same process for the
next week.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
Here's what I there this season yards at the contact.
Speaker 6 (21:21):
That's why we're going to measure for me how well
this running game is getting on track.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
That's that's a big one for sure.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Yeah, that John even talked about. I mean that was
literally like it's blocked a certain way. I want to
see my guys do something more with it. All right,
we'll come back. We'll finish this conversation coming up next.
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Speaker 3 (21:48):
You know what I know. I was not a huge
Beach Boys fan.
Speaker 5 (21:52):
I liked the Beach Boys, uh and some of their stuff,
but I mean they were you know, they were sort
of at I won't say the forefront, but they I
mean they had some really popular music for a long
period of time, ten, twelve, fifteen years back in the day,
how about you.
Speaker 6 (22:11):
Nick, Not a huge Beach Boys fan, but I did
appreciate some of their music.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
I'm gonna date myself on this one.
Speaker 6 (22:21):
But God only knows, Oh, I used to, like God
only knows, you still get used to because I haven't
heard it for like three three decades.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
Okay, you know.
Speaker 5 (22:32):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
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I have it on my phone. Did you really yes?
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Speaker 6 (22:40):
Growing up and there was a scene I guess it
was like the season finale or series finale in Wonder
Years and they were playing this song when I guess
Winnie Cooper was on the bus or something like that.
And then again when I met my wife and we
were dating, I heard the song again, I think in
the movie Love Actually. So it's one of those songs
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that I mean, you like you said, you know where
you were when you heard.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
That particular song.
Speaker 5 (23:05):
Yeah, music, music is a times stamp on our lives.
When you look back, you can remember, just like Nick said,
where you were when when you first heard that song,
or who you're with when you heard that song, and it's, uh,
it's it's really good in that regard.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
I think for me with Brian Wilson was more of
the respect as a songwriter, like you know against when
I kind of got into it and you sort of
the structure of how his brain worked. And of course,
you know the later years was was always you know,
tough because he dealt with some ailments and you kind
of become more reclusive from the spotlight, right, and the
Beach Boys had allus stuff, and they did a bunch
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of movies about the Beach Boys and some of their
history there. But yeah, that that album I I probably
listened to at least a dozen times front to back.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
I mean just just.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Marveled at at the you know, word innovation maybe gets
thrown around a little bit too much, but that's the
way that you'd have to kind of describe that album
because all the different things he kind of brought to it.
You know, and but still catchy songs, right, I mean,
like all the unique ways that he used sound throughout
and not only a lot of different he did musicians
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he did absolutely, But yeah, eighty two years old, and
that was that was tough when I saw that earlier
today because and I know Rick Lewis came on K
Way to talk about it earlier today too, so I'm
sure that was a that was interesting for him. We
did find out by the Way moments ago from Denver
Post something we speculated on earlier.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
The Broncos did reach out to JK.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
Dobbins at the beginning of free agency in March and
had been keeping in touch with him throughout the subsequent
months before finally getting the deal done yesterday.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
So credit to you. I asked you if you thought
that was the case, and you said, yes, yeah.
Speaker 5 (24:47):
I think again, when he when he got here and
then he got out of town and no deal was done,
I think a lot of people said, gosh, I mean,
that's disappointing.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
Now somebody else is gonna have a chance to sign him.
Speaker 5 (24:58):
But I didn't feel like it's signaled that that was
the end of the.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
Courtship, so to speak.
Speaker 5 (25:07):
So I mean I think it's I think it's great,
and I think he's going to be a big plus
for this team.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
You know, it struck me today as I was watching
the final team period, they did a little bit of
a move the ball, which was one of my favorite
drills that they always do is and they they'll do
it to different points during training camp, which is really
gonna be fun interesting training camp this year with the fans.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
I don't think we're gonna see as mini out there
because of the construction.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
Yeah, not enough room, No, I know.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
I think they're doing some bleachers and stuff, a lot
more details in that we get closer, but they're doing
move the ball and Bonix found some completions underneath. But boy,
that's secondary good luck. I mean, there aren't a lot
of weak spots. You know, maybe you're gonna target Riley
Moss because of a matchup, but it's he's had good coverage.
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He's had great coverage and you know, Courtland Sutton has
been trying to to win. He won yesterday, Cortland won
in a one on one with Riley Moss down the
left sideline. That's yes, that's exactly right. But then today
move the ball Bonick's trying to go back to the
well with that, and it was not there. So and
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this is without even Johnny Barron on the field at
that time, who's looked really, really good as well. So
I was sort of struck by that. Like you know,
oftentimes they come away from practice like how did the
offense look? How did the defense look? And so so
much of it obviously is like, well.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
The defense is very very good.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
So if the offense gets wins, that that's credit to
them because the defense is not going to give up
a lot.
Speaker 6 (26:34):
This is what you look for in a team. And
this is why I coined the phrase mcgiver. Even though
you you will never say it on air. Here we go, well,
once again, is that not what you aren't actually describing?
And when we look at this, well, even when we
get the training camp, there's gonna be some days that
the office is going to be spot on, the defense
is going to be spot on. What you want to
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see is a competitive environment that if you have a
bad day one day, you bounce back.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
Like you were talking.
Speaker 6 (27:04):
About Patrick Byen, like there was a period it wasn't
it might have been moved the ball or whatever he
dropped somewhat of a shallow route and next thing you know,
two plays later he called a slat faith for a touchdown.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
To me, that's what you want to see.
Speaker 6 (27:18):
What some of your young players are they bouncing back
And you know this for sure, with the additions of
the Broncos and George Payton has made defensively, it has
no choice but to impact the offense in a positive way. Now,
what we haven't really seen a lot of, and maybe
this is just for OTA's in mini caamp, but I
would love to see more one's versus once.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
I want to see one's.
Speaker 6 (27:42):
Versus ones because you're gonna have your best against your best,
and you get the chance to see Bow elevate his
level play because guess what's gonna happen on game day.
He's not gonna be playing against the twos. He's gonna
be playing against the starters on the other team. And
that's what you want to get in prepared for it.
Speaker 5 (27:57):
I think you also have to keep in mind that
when when especially in OTAs, even in training camp, when
when when you're watching seven on seven, the offense should win.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
When you're watching nine on seven, the defense.
Speaker 5 (28:16):
Should have more than their fair share of moments, right,
I mean there are in seven on seven the single
biggest thing that affects quarterbacks is not there there's no
pass rush. There's a clock, there's there's guys standing back there,
you know, saying ball's got to be gone.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
I mean you can't stand back there forever.
Speaker 5 (28:38):
But there's no pass rush, so you never have to
slide in the pocket or take your eyes off that
concept downfield and just for a second see where guys
are coming. So I mean the offense should win most
of those battles in seven on seven.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
Well, we get to team and this is where I
just it's a little different. It's a little different, yeah, right,
but that's.
Speaker 5 (29:00):
Still can't I think it's more. I think it's more
balanced to your point, but you still can't hit that quarterback.
In fact, you can't even don't even get in the
area code of the quarterback on any sort of play
pass or straight drawback or whatever go by. Don't try
to reach up and knock the ball out of his hand.
And there's just things you do not do. Is it
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limits the defense now? And team, I think you have
the advantage where you've got you know, not that you
can on seven on seven. As I think about this,
but defensive backs can get their hands, get their hands
on those receivers, and they can do that in seven
on seven as well, But no pass rush.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Jonathan Cooper, by the way, he looks good.
Speaker 5 (29:41):
He looks so good.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
I mean, we talked about it a big yesterday, like,
can can he go to another level? I'm thinking so,
I'm thinking there's some more to him.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
He's not gonna have a choice.
Speaker 6 (29:51):
I mean to get this defense back to where they
were even better than twenty twenty four, he has no choice.
And oh, by the way, he has Nick Benito opposite him.
And I like to think Jonathan Cooper is a competitor.
And you don't want your guy across from you. That's
your teammate. You want him to do well, you wish
him well, make all the money you want, but.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
You don't want him to outplay you.
Speaker 6 (30:14):
It's no different than when I played in the secondary
with guys who are Hall of famers, guys who were drafted.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
I don't want to be the weak link.
Speaker 6 (30:21):
I'm not gonna let you out play me because you
chann't Bailey or John Lynch. No, I'm gonna elevate my
level of play, and if that is John Van Cooper's mentality,
which I think it is, it's only going to make
both he and Nick Benito play much better this season.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
There's a really kind of light moment, funny moment during
Move the Ball when Zach Allen absolutely blew up the
play right, we just like had no chance. And he
comes comes right back to the line. He's sort of
strutting a little bit and he's like, I can't repeat
all the expletives, but there were a few, and it
was along the lines of I am so damn good,
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and I tell you what, man, that defense. The defense
feel they look like they they're going to be really
like unbelievable because they don't know how they're they're starting
inside linebackers out there, and and they were feeling it.
Speaker 5 (31:12):
Did did you did it strike you as interesting yesterday
when Sean was asked about the defense? Uh, did do
you remember Sean's.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
Response, I think I have it here.
Speaker 5 (31:26):
If you do, I think it would be I got
it good for audience to hear it.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
Yeah, this is really good.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
Here we go, we'll we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll see, we'll see.
Speaker 7 (31:35):
We're sitting here and tune talking about the best, and
we have a chance to be a real good defense.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
And time will tell.
Speaker 7 (31:46):
Lucky, lucky enough, I've been a part of some really
good defenses, but we just got to keep improving, and
uh and and and really all of this is in
preparation for training can.
Speaker 5 (32:02):
So when I heard when I heard that comment, I
think it's not it's not an unusual comment from an
NFL head coach talking about one side.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
Of the ball or the other.
Speaker 5 (32:14):
But I think it is interesting sort of when you
hear Sean talk about at a at an excited at
an excited sort of level, about.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
Pat Bryant and at times.
Speaker 5 (32:27):
Bo Nicks, and then what he's asked about now, in
fairness to Sean, the question was posed, you think this
defense has a chance to be an all time great defense. Now,
I think, in fairness, no NFL coach is going to say, well, yeah,
I think I think we have a I mean, I
think we'll be an.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
All time great NFL defense.
Speaker 5 (32:47):
But I think just he sort of stopped in its
tracks any notion about that, and he basically said, we'll
see this.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
We're getting ready for training camp.
Speaker 5 (33:00):
And so offensive head coaches, offensive minded head coaches want
their defense to be uber hungry, and I think that
was sort of reflected in that comment.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
Completely agree, yeah that the no, no hold on, we'll see.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
I completely agree.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
It was in his body language when he answered it
was like, come on, yeah, you know they're probably gonna
be pretty good, but I can't say.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
That right now.
Speaker 6 (33:28):
Let's see. That goes back to being a coach and
not want to say it because you don't want those guys.
Speaker 3 (33:32):
To lose their edge.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
To the final moments here, Rockies Baseball con up at
the top of the hour. We got Game three of
the NBA Finals tonight
Nick ferguson walking up to six o'clock when we have
Rockies baseball.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
The Rockies are once again hosting the Giants.
Speaker 1 (00:06):
The weather it's a little dark out there, right out
the clouds, but I haven't heard anything as far as
reasons why that it will not happen on time.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
But hopefully the Rockies can.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
Get a win tonight, day two of mandatory mini camps.
In the book, the Broncos will practice tomorrow. The big
news today was JK. Dobbins was out there. In fact,
he even spoke with the media afterwards, and here's what
he said about why he chose Denver.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
I felt like it was the best pit for me.
The defense is really.
Speaker 4 (00:35):
Good, like super good quarterbacks amazing. I like the RV
room online is amazing as well, so it was a
no brainer. And coach Sean Payton and all the other
coaches on the staff too, so I know I'll get
coach well here. And I also heard that it's a
good fan base, so that's why.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
I'm here more than a fan, I guess with the
Chargers right, good fan base compared to fluting near mind,
I was trying to make a joke about it.
Speaker 5 (01:06):
They've got a few more fans and so far they did.
What was the name of the soccer stadium?
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Yeah, what was that?
Speaker 3 (01:13):
That's a good question.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
I can google that here.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
It held about it was about fourteen, something like.
Speaker 5 (01:20):
Seventeen or yeah something, my dad not many. No, it
was I'm thinking the first time I walked in and
I'm like, I think it's kind of a cool looking stadium.
But I can't believe we're going to broadcast an NFL game.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
For the Health Sports Park?
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Is that it really? No? I think it was? Is
Carson something? Right?
Speaker 1 (01:36):
No?
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Was it?
Speaker 3 (01:38):
It was?
Speaker 1 (01:38):
It was a very small intimate so seen thirty thousand
and it was, and it was the temporary home.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Okay, that's right.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Anyways, you know, he also said something else that was
kind of interesting. He said, I've been to the playoffs.
I'm tired of just going to the playoffs. I want
to win a championship. He's like, so that that's my goal.
I'm coming here to win championships, And I mean I
dig that. Yeah, I mean that's a great mindset. But
it also kind of goes to a little bit of
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what a lot of the free agents that did choose Denver.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Right, we heard it from Tellanoa Hufanga. We've heard it, well.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
I think we haven't heard Drake Greenlaw talk yet, but
I imagine it's similar mindset for him.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
We heard it from Evan Ingram.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
They chose Denver in part because of what they're building here,
and they do believe this is a championship team, or
at least they have the makings of that, including the quarterback.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
So do you do you not like that? I love it. No,
I love it too.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
I mean you just talk about a juxtaposition from what
we've been, what this team has been over the last decade.
Speaker 5 (02:37):
I think you know, I mean last year, we all
know they got to the playoffs first time since twenty fifteen,
rookie quarterback. I mean, the story's been chronicled, and a
lot of those.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Guys are back.
Speaker 5 (02:54):
The quarterback is going into a second year, and they
added some really significant pieces again on paper.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
So yeah, I think.
Speaker 5 (03:02):
I mean, I think if you polled national writers about
and I've seen a couple of things like this, Hey,
is there a team or two that you think could
sort of fly under the radar but be a Super
Bowl contending kind of team. And I've seen Denver mentioned
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a couple of times when talked like that happens.
Speaker 6 (03:26):
You know, one thing about Dobbins coming here is the
level of motivation. You're staying within the same division. You're
facing off against the Chargers, they know you, you know them,
but also coming to this team. Yeah, you're coming to
this organization because Sean Payton, George Peyton, everything you've seen,
and you've heard about bo Nicks, but also too looking
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at things from a true football standpoint, think about the defense.
If you're running back and you want to score touchdowns,
you can only do that if the offense has the ball.
And with green Law and Fala being added to a
defense that had a historic sixty three sacks last season,
you have to figure you're going to get your touches.
And I wasn't previous to the meeting. I don't know
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who was there, what was said, but you have to
feel as though that was something that was told to him.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
Dude, last year you had nine touchdowns.
Speaker 6 (04:20):
You can have more red zone touchdowns this year, which
could possibly not possibly will eat until the eight touchdowns
that Courtland Sudden had last year. So to me, this
is a great problem to have to say. Well, when
you get inside the red zone. Who's going to get
the ball? Are you going to hand it to RJ?
Are you going to give it to JK? Or are
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you going to give it to Courland Or are you
going to give it to Evan Ingram. That's a problem
that you definitely want to happen. Hey man, sign me
up for it.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
You realize that JK Dobbins, other than twenty twenty three,
when he played in only one game and an eight carries,
he's averaged he had just four point six yards per
carry last year, five point seven in twenty twenty two,
and six yards per carry in his rookie season of
twenty twenty.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Six yards per carry on one hundred and thirty four carries.
Speaker 6 (05:10):
It's like every time he touches the ball that is
close to a first down, that puts your ahead.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
Of the change. Remarkable. So now, Sean Payton, you can
call almost anything.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
I mean, imagine this for a second. The Broncos, I'll see.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
What their running backs. I got it right here.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
So Javonte averaged three point seven, jillil actually averaged four
point four.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Bonix led the team with four point seven.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
Imagine if you had a starting running back last year
that averaged four point six yards per carry, Like, what
does that do for the running back room? If you've
got a running back that's above average there and there's
been a minute since we have I.
Speaker 5 (05:51):
Think the word that I've used countless times is efficient.
The Broncos were not as efficient in the right back
room last year as a playoff team has to be right.
They left your I believe they left yardage on the field,
so they've upgraded the position. That's that's how the league works,
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and I think they were I think I think they
love R. J. Harvey, they love his potential, and I
think obviously when you bring a guy like JK. Dobbins in,
I mean that that tells you. I mean, the league
is about getting better. They go out, the teams try
to get better. And even if you've had a good
year and you think, man, I did pretty well last year,
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I mean I really did.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
It depends on what the club you play.
Speaker 5 (06:39):
For things, and they're trying to improve that position that
you happen to play in every single way they can.
And then if you start to make too much money
and you start to get a little bit older, they
try to find younger guys that can come in it
might not be quite as good as you, but they're
pretty damn good and they make a lot less money
and then all of a sudden you become a air quote
cap casualty. That's just how the whole thing in the
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league works. So not surprising in terms of running backs
at it.
Speaker 6 (07:06):
Let me throw this into the conversation because I know
last season there was a huge issue with the Broncos
being able to run the ball. In efficiency like you described,
was a huge part of it.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
So seeing that the team had RJ. Harvey and JK.
Speaker 6 (07:20):
Dobbs ideas that, oh, Chempagnon's going to run the ball
more this year than he ran it last year. Yes,
the Broncos are going to run the ball. But I
still see it a little different because what's the skill
set that both of these guys are bringing to the table.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
They can catch the ball out of the backfield.
Speaker 6 (07:38):
And I said, well, let me go back and watch
some of games that Champagnon call with the New Orleans Saints.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
The screen game was so huge and we didn't really
see a lot of that last season.
Speaker 6 (07:49):
We saw a lot of it with Marvin Mims, but
you want to see it with the running back because
I'm thinking Abacamara, Duce McCallister, right, Pierre Thomas. Those guys
they got those handoffs, but they caught the ball out
of the back trip. That's how you make your offense
more dynamics. So I'm expecting to see a more spread,
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dynamic offense than we've seen in years past.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Sean Payton had a really kind of fun back and
forth on RJ.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Harvey today. Here's what it was sounding. That was RJ.
Harvey doing insurance of his receiving skills. Good. Yeah, has
it surprised you at all?
Speaker 6 (08:25):
Or no?
Speaker 3 (08:26):
He's doing well. He's doing well.
Speaker 7 (08:29):
We haven't given him a joker wings or any of
that yet, but he's doing well.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
He used to being playful with the media. Today I see.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
I I like the playful Sean.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
He's in a good mood and I think we all had.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
Lost the game. He's unbeaten.
Speaker 6 (08:47):
I told you there's a difference between Sean Payne at
the podium now. I'm sure to the guy Sean Payton
after the games, that's a different guy.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
But but I can I appreciate a little bit of
a snarky kind of back and forth, little sparring kind
of deal.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Like he knows that.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
He knows that the media, and he's smart about this,
are trying to frame things in a way that they
can get a specific kind of quote so they can
write their stories, or they can do the shows and
all those kinds of things, and he likes to play
with it a little bit. So he's like, Okay, well,
you guys are trying to write an article about R. J.
Harvey as a receiver out of the backfield, and you
want to, you know, kind of frame this thing is.
Is he that kind of guy? Oh, you want to
(09:23):
go into the joker thing. And by the way, you're
the one introduced the joker stuff to us, Sean. We're
the only reason this joker gets talked about as much
as it does is because you talked to Kay Adams
out of the Super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
Come on, man, save with the chest? Wow? Whoa.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
But anyway, so he's how he.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
I actually enjoy it though, because he takes those moments
and he kind of puts it right back on us
and say, all right, well, I know what you're going for,
so I'm gonna go ahead.
Speaker 5 (09:48):
And I don't know, Sam, that gives a lot of
credit to us. You think you're giving a lot of
credit to us. I think sometimes you're just asking the
question because you legitimately, in this case, want to know
how's your rookie out of Central Florida doing. I mean,
that was pretty much. So you think that question and
I think that was Chris.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
No, that was Bruce. I think Bruce Brucetle.
Speaker 5 (10:12):
Yeah, all right, So you think that question was asked
because Bruce wants to write a story about R. J.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
Harvey's receiving ability.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Not that one specifically, but there are times when certain
media members will ask the same. Oh.
Speaker 5 (10:26):
I'm not saying that that that what you just described
doesn't happen, but I think in this case, I mean,
I think there are guys like like when I go
to his press conference or whatever, I'm not ever going
to ask question because he's not going to tell you
too much, and I get a chance to interview him
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so he'll I can ask him sort of off the
mic things that I need to know. But I think
I think that at times, as a member of the media,
you're just trying to figure, Okay, is there a way
for me to get in here.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
I want to ask a question.
Speaker 5 (11:03):
I sure don't want to piss him off, and I
don't want to ask him something. He's going to look
those laser eyes of me and act like I'm stupid.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
So there's a lot of pressure.
Speaker 5 (11:12):
I mean, I think there's a lot of pressure from
members of the media in terms of I want to
ask a question, but damn I wanted to be received
the way I intended it.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
I think that's fair. And then that that is fair.
And as somebody that does ask questions.
Speaker 5 (11:26):
He's never has he ever lasered you, No, he's laser
He will this year probably.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
I'm just telling it. It's good. Has coming.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Yeah, I'll ask something that'll.
Speaker 5 (11:36):
He will refer to at some point this year. The
flannel shirt, I'm just telling you. Have you won a
flannel shirt at every single practice?
Speaker 3 (11:46):
No?
Speaker 2 (11:46):
No, In fact, this isn't even really flannel. It looks flannel.
Speaker 5 (11:49):
It's not flanning two times, two times a week, eighteen weeks,
thirty six opportunities.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
Last year I went back and checked eight times, twenty
eight times, right, not every time. So so you stand out.
Speaker 6 (12:06):
So so when coach looks amongst the crowd, right, he
sees you, whether you answer or me asking you a
question or not, he sees you, I'm.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
A bit of a beacon. Yes, it's an appropriate level
of flannel. Though as far as I'm concerned.
Speaker 6 (12:22):
Well, then you were to see the key is are
you wearing the flannel for that particular reasons?
Speaker 3 (12:27):
Flannel today and it was degrees.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
This is not This is like T shirt materials.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
That's flannel.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
This is not flannel.
Speaker 6 (12:34):
This is what Dave right and I had a moment
at practice today and I told Ryan I was standing
at a point in practice so I can see the
team better.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
Ryan chose not to join.
Speaker 6 (12:46):
Me because he said he doesn't want to stand in
the sun.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
Yes, it was. It was. It was a little too
hot for that. It does.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Yes, yeah, he was like, I'm going to go over
here so I get a better angle.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
I was like, I got the shame.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
I'm good.
Speaker 6 (13:01):
Wow, yeah exactly. I'm like, I thought you were here
for a reason. Come join me so we can we
can talk about saying in fairness.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
In fairness, okay, the team portion hadn't started yet. We
were still doing No, it wasn't even seven on seven yet,
not yet. You went over there early for quarterbacks thrown
to wide receivers and tight ends in.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
The red zone. So I can see, right, but not
even against Defferense happened.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
You don't really need that.
Speaker 6 (13:34):
I want to see how guys position themselves, how they
set up a bunch two man two man stags, how
they cleared routes.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
That's what I wanted to see.
Speaker 6 (13:42):
And we were having a great conversation before it went over,
and I thought it would continue, but you were like, no,
I'm too good.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
I'm standing in the shade.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
I said, okay, yes, got plenty of work though, watching
team and seven to seven later.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
Good for you, Good for you.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
I just didn't under stand in the sun.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
I did not want to get sunburned this early in
the process.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
Oh do you gonna get sunburned?
Speaker 2 (14:04):
I did actually get sunburn.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
On my arm little Oh my god. You at your watch?
Speaker 2 (14:08):
Well, that's right, that's right, because I missed this. I'm
a sunscreen right here.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
You see it is Ryan's an SP fifty. I am.
Speaker 6 (14:14):
Well see, I'd say the SP fifty to mean something
else other than some protection.
Speaker 3 (14:19):
So h maybe that's just me, that's just you. Okay.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
Sean did give a really cool answer on what makes
for an explosive running back.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
I think I think, Zach asked this question that.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
We try to reframe the same questions over and over
again about JK.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Dobbins.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
So this was a good question about explosive running backs,
and Sean give us a very good answer.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
You want to.
Speaker 7 (14:41):
See want a place block? Do you want to see
that yardage? And some you know, the good runners, they
have a little spaghetti sauce to the recipe that that's important.
And I don't want to make comparisons to him because
I haven't been with him long enough. But when you
see the consistency, it's not an accident. And so it's
(15:05):
another and I say this, it's another good football player.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
We're adding to our team.
Speaker 7 (15:12):
And then we'll see how training camp goes, see how
all the carries goes, and you know what, when that
time comes to you, guys are going to.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
Know, just like I'm gonna know, you're gonna see.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
It reminded me last year a little bit when he
with Bo and he's like, yeah, you'll know what I know.
You'll know who our starting quarterback is what I know.
And I guess it's the same with a running back.
But it doesn't feel like that. It feels like JK. Dobbins. R. J.
Harvey it's going to be a two headed monster. Whether
you want a one A or one be it, that's
(15:44):
gonna be. That's gonna be our.
Speaker 5 (15:45):
If it's anything else, it will be either due to injury,
which we all hope that doesn't happen, or a really
big upset of some sort. If if if it's not
Dobbins and Harvey, you know, most people, and I would
(16:07):
be one of them, would be very surprised.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
Is the Broncos could average four and a half five
yards per carry.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
With that group?
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Yeah, I mean I think.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
I mean they're starting running back average three point six.
It feels like that's like as low as you could
possibly go.
Speaker 5 (16:22):
Well, I mean, all due respect, and that's that's why
he's in Dallas, you know. I mean they're just there.
There were additional yards to be had if you go
back and look at even go back and look at
the first six games, I mean, there were additional yards
to be made.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
And it's hard enough to make yards in this team.
Speaker 5 (16:44):
But when you when you set it up and you
call it right and you block it right, you've got
to you've got to make those yards at at a
high clip, right, And and Sean was talking about it,
a little bit, and he said, you know when it's blocked,
and then he sort of which he does, he changes
(17:07):
thoughts right in the middle of the stream, and he said,
you know, the really good backs have a little special
spaghetti sauce. And I'm thinking, metaphorically speaking, I don't even
know you know where you're going here with this, but
they just didn't get what they needed last year out
of the running back room, and there's two new running
(17:28):
backs because of it.
Speaker 6 (17:30):
The idea is that you want to maximize what you
are putting on a field with these running backs, and
what I mean by that is that utilize their skill set.
These two backs definitely compliment one another and they are small,
compact guys and for me, being a former defensive players
like those guys have the potential to lower their pads
(17:53):
and you heard this phrase, run behind your pads.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
They can do this.
Speaker 6 (17:58):
As we look at explosiveness is a question you know,
getting or determining the level of explosiveness out of a
player that lower body strength.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
To me, Kenny, can you move the pile?
Speaker 6 (18:09):
And your question, Ryan was can the Broncos average four
point four yards to carry? They can, But now there
has to be a dedication and commitment to it from
the play calling standpoint, the running back taking that on
as a goal, but more importantly, the offensive line in
those situations go back last season, the Broncos had an
(18:30):
option to run it or throw it, or more or
less to stream it down a little, those short yardage plays,
picking up those fourth and ones, those third and two's
for me, if you're an offensive lineman and you truly
believe that, you tell the coach man, don't call it
pass and play put it on us. We're gonna pick
it up. We're going to create the hole so the
(18:51):
running back can just fall forward. And with the two
running backs they have in RJ and JK, so guys
abbreviated their first names, but.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
They have the ability to fall forward.
Speaker 6 (19:02):
So yes, don't be surprised if the Broncos average anywhere
from four point four to four point six.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Man ability of imagining what this offense will be. If
you have that like that, that right there would be
just because because you're right, there are moments. Then we
heard yesterday from Sean when he was talking about the
red zone. I think about how different and how dynamic
the red zone and how effective you can be if
you do have a running game that can do those
kinds of.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Things when you can lean on that.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Do you think that he put I won't say he
put too much on on Bonix's plate last year, but
do you think there were times where he felt I
just don't I don't even know what my running game is.
I'm just gonna have bo go out there and handle it.
Or am I oversimplifying that.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
I yeah, I don't. I don't know. I mean, I think.
Speaker 5 (19:51):
I think they more than likely a guy like Sean
Payton goes into every single I think I think they're
really good coaches in the NFL.
Speaker 8 (20:00):
Well especially head coaches. Play designers are guys that have
the ability to process what happened in a game on Sunday,
whether you do it on Sunday night, most guys do.
And you're processing what happened on Monday, but you're also
working on the next game plan. And then by Tuesday,
(20:21):
actually by Monday like afternoon, you've completely wiped that slate clean.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
You know what you did well, you're aware of what
you didn't do well.
Speaker 5 (20:32):
And in last year's case, running the ball was not
really what they did well. But you go into the
next week and I don't know that it plays a big,
big part. Maybe later in the season it does, but
a big part in terms of like next week's game plan.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
Man, we haven't been able to run ball well the last.
Speaker 5 (20:49):
Two games, so I'm gonna get away from the run
that Most coaches don't I mean the head coaches in
the league, they don't think that. What they think is
I'm I'm gonna come up with or we're gonna come
up with two or three little wrinkles that will help us.
We're gonna be better this week against this team down there.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
Now.
Speaker 5 (21:10):
Don't always work out, and then they go back to
the drawing board and have the same process for the
next week.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
Here's what I there this season yards at the contact.
Speaker 6 (21:21):
That's why we're going to measure for me how well
this running game is getting on track.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
That's that's a big one for sure.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Yeah, that John even talked about. I mean that was
literally like it's blocked a certain way. I want to
see my guys do something more with it. All right,
we'll come back. We'll finish this conversation coming up next.
Like considered one of the best rock albums of all time,
Avery Big Beach Boys fan.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
You know what I know. I was not a huge
Beach Boys fan.
Speaker 5 (21:52):
I liked the Beach Boys, uh and some of their stuff,
but I mean they were you know, they were sort
of at I won't say the forefront, but they I
mean they had some really popular music for a long
period of time, ten, twelve, fifteen years back in the day,
how about you.
Speaker 6 (22:11):
Nick, Not a huge Beach Boys fan, but I did
appreciate some of their music.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
I'm gonna date myself on this one.
Speaker 6 (22:21):
But God only knows, Oh, I used to, like God
only knows, you still get used to because I haven't
heard it for like three three decades.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
Okay, you know.
Speaker 5 (22:32):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
You got it? You got it in the car now
I have it on my phone. Did you really yes?
I really really really talk. That was one of the.
Speaker 6 (22:40):
Growing up and there was a scene I guess it
was like the season finale or series finale in Wonder
Years and they were playing this song when I guess
Winnie Cooper was on the bus or something like that.
And then again when I met my wife and we
were dating, I heard the song again, I think in
the movie Love Actually. So it's one of those songs
(23:00):
that I mean, you like you said, you know where
you were when you heard.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
That particular song.
Speaker 5 (23:05):
Yeah, music, music is a times stamp on our lives.
When you look back, you can remember, just like Nick said,
where you were when when you first heard that song,
or who you're with when you heard that song, and it's, uh,
it's it's really good in that regard.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
I think for me with Brian Wilson was more of
the respect as a songwriter, like you know against when
I kind of got into it and you sort of
the structure of how his brain worked. And of course,
you know the later years was was always you know,
tough because he dealt with some ailments and you kind
of become more reclusive from the spotlight, right, and the
Beach Boys had allus stuff, and they did a bunch
(23:40):
of movies about the Beach Boys and some of their
history there. But yeah, that that album I I probably
listened to at least a dozen times front to back.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
I mean just just.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Marveled at at the you know, word innovation maybe gets
thrown around a little bit too much, but that's the
way that you'd have to kind of describe that album
because all the different things he kind of brought to it.
You know, and but still catchy songs, right, I mean,
like all the unique ways that he used sound throughout
and not only a lot of different he did musicians
(24:13):
he did absolutely, But yeah, eighty two years old, and
that was that was tough when I saw that earlier
today because and I know Rick Lewis came on K
Way to talk about it earlier today too, so I'm
sure that was a that was interesting for him. We
did find out by the Way moments ago from Denver
Post something we speculated on earlier.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
The Broncos did reach out to JK.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
Dobbins at the beginning of free agency in March and
had been keeping in touch with him throughout the subsequent
months before finally getting the deal done yesterday.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
So credit to you. I asked you if you thought
that was the case, and you said, yes, yeah.
Speaker 5 (24:47):
I think again, when he when he got here and
then he got out of town and no deal was done,
I think a lot of people said, gosh, I mean,
that's disappointing.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
Now somebody else is gonna have a chance to sign him.
Speaker 5 (24:58):
But I didn't feel like it's signaled that that was
the end of the.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
Courtship, so to speak.
Speaker 5 (25:07):
So I mean I think it's I think it's great,
and I think he's going to be a big plus
for this team.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
You know, it struck me today as I was watching
the final team period, they did a little bit of
a move the ball, which was one of my favorite
drills that they always do is and they they'll do
it to different points during training camp, which is really
gonna be fun interesting training camp this year with the fans.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
I don't think we're gonna see as mini out there
because of the construction.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
Yeah, not enough room, No, I know.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
I think they're doing some bleachers and stuff, a lot
more details in that we get closer, but they're doing
move the ball and Bonix found some completions underneath. But boy,
that's secondary good luck. I mean, there aren't a lot
of weak spots. You know, maybe you're gonna target Riley
Moss because of a matchup, but it's he's had good coverage.
(25:52):
He's had great coverage and you know, Courtland Sutton has
been trying to to win. He won yesterday, Cortland won
in a one on one with Riley Moss down the
left sideline. That's yes, that's exactly right. But then today
move the ball Bonick's trying to go back to the
well with that, and it was not there. So and
(26:12):
this is without even Johnny Barron on the field at
that time, who's looked really, really good as well. So
I was sort of struck by that. Like you know,
oftentimes they come away from practice like how did the
offense look? How did the defense look? And so so
much of it obviously is like, well.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
The defense is very very good.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
So if the offense gets wins, that that's credit to
them because the defense is not going to give up
a lot.
Speaker 6 (26:34):
This is what you look for in a team. And
this is why I coined the phrase mcgiver. Even though
you you will never say it on air. Here we go, well,
once again, is that not what you aren't actually describing?
And when we look at this, well, even when we
get the training camp, there's gonna be some days that
the office is going to be spot on, the defense
is going to be spot on. What you want to
(26:56):
see is a competitive environment that if you have a
bad day one day, you bounce back.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
Like you were talking.
Speaker 6 (27:04):
About Patrick Byen, like there was a period it wasn't
it might have been moved the ball or whatever he
dropped somewhat of a shallow route and next thing you know,
two plays later he called a slat faith for a touchdown.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
To me, that's what you want to see.
Speaker 6 (27:18):
What some of your young players are they bouncing back
And you know this for sure, with the additions of
the Broncos and George Payton has made defensively, it has
no choice but to impact the offense in a positive way. Now,
what we haven't really seen a lot of, and maybe
this is just for OTA's in mini caamp, but I
would love to see more one's versus once.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
I want to see one's.
Speaker 6 (27:42):
Versus ones because you're gonna have your best against your best,
and you get the chance to see Bow elevate his
level play because guess what's gonna happen on game day.
He's not gonna be playing against the twos. He's gonna
be playing against the starters on the other team. And
that's what you want to get in prepared for it.
Speaker 5 (27:57):
I think you also have to keep in mind that
when when especially in OTAs, even in training camp, when
when when you're watching seven on seven, the offense should win.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
When you're watching nine on seven, the defense.
Speaker 5 (28:16):
Should have more than their fair share of moments, right,
I mean there are in seven on seven the single
biggest thing that affects quarterbacks is not there there's no
pass rush. There's a clock, there's there's guys standing back there,
you know, saying ball's got to be gone.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
I mean you can't stand back there forever.
Speaker 5 (28:38):
But there's no pass rush, so you never have to
slide in the pocket or take your eyes off that
concept downfield and just for a second see where guys
are coming. So I mean the offense should win most
of those battles in seven on seven.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
Well, we get to team and this is where I
just it's a little different. It's a little different, yeah, right,
but that's.
Speaker 5 (29:00):
Still can't I think it's more. I think it's more
balanced to your point, but you still can't hit that quarterback.
In fact, you can't even don't even get in the
area code of the quarterback on any sort of play
pass or straight drawback or whatever go by. Don't try
to reach up and knock the ball out of his hand.
And there's just things you do not do. Is it
(29:20):
limits the defense now? And team, I think you have
the advantage where you've got you know, not that you
can on seven on seven. As I think about this,
but defensive backs can get their hands, get their hands
on those receivers, and they can do that in seven
on seven as well, But no pass rush.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Jonathan Cooper, by the way, he looks good.
Speaker 5 (29:41):
He looks so good.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
I mean, we talked about it a big yesterday, like,
can can he go to another level? I'm thinking so,
I'm thinking there's some more to him.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
He's not gonna have a choice.
Speaker 6 (29:51):
I mean to get this defense back to where they
were even better than twenty twenty four, he has no choice.
And oh, by the way, he has Nick Benito opposite him.
And I like to think Jonathan Cooper is a competitor.
And you don't want your guy across from you. That's
your teammate. You want him to do well, you wish
him well, make all the money you want, but.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
You don't want him to outplay you.
Speaker 6 (30:14):
It's no different than when I played in the secondary
with guys who are Hall of famers, guys who were drafted.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
I don't want to be the weak link.
Speaker 6 (30:21):
I'm not gonna let you out play me because you
chann't Bailey or John Lynch. No, I'm gonna elevate my
level of play, and if that is John Van Cooper's mentality,
which I think it is, it's only going to make
both he and Nick Benito play much better this season.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
There's a really kind of light moment, funny moment during
Move the Ball when Zach Allen absolutely blew up the
play right, we just like had no chance. And he
comes comes right back to the line. He's sort of
strutting a little bit and he's like, I can't repeat
all the expletives, but there were a few, and it
was along the lines of I am so damn good,
(30:57):
and I tell you what, man, that defense. The defense
feel they look like they they're going to be really
like unbelievable because they don't know how they're they're starting
inside linebackers out there, and and they were feeling it.
Speaker 5 (31:12):
Did did you did it strike you as interesting yesterday
when Sean was asked about the defense? Uh, did do
you remember Sean's.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
Response, I think I have it here.
Speaker 5 (31:26):
If you do, I think it would be I got
it good for audience to hear it.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
Yeah, this is really good.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
Here we go, we'll we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll see, we'll see.
Speaker 7 (31:35):
We're sitting here and tune talking about the best, and
we have a chance to be a real good defense.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
And time will tell.
Speaker 7 (31:46):
Lucky, lucky enough, I've been a part of some really
good defenses, but we just got to keep improving, and
uh and and and really all of this is in
preparation for training can.
Speaker 5 (32:02):
So when I heard when I heard that comment, I
think it's not it's not an unusual comment from an
NFL head coach talking about one side.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
Of the ball or the other.
Speaker 5 (32:14):
But I think it is interesting sort of when you
hear Sean talk about at a at an excited at
an excited sort of level, about.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
Pat Bryant and at times.
Speaker 5 (32:27):
Bo Nicks, and then what he's asked about now, in
fairness to Sean, the question was posed, you think this
defense has a chance to be an all time great defense. Now,
I think, in fairness, no NFL coach is going to say, well, yeah,
I think I think we have a I mean, I
think we'll be an.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
All time great NFL defense.
Speaker 5 (32:47):
But I think just he sort of stopped in its
tracks any notion about that, and he basically said, we'll
see this.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
We're getting ready for training camp.
Speaker 5 (33:00):
And so offensive head coaches, offensive minded head coaches want
their defense to be uber hungry, and I think that
was sort of reflected in that comment.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
Completely agree, yeah that the no, no hold on, we'll see.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
I completely agree.
Speaker 1 (33:21):
It was in his body language when he answered it
was like, come on, yeah, you know they're probably gonna
be pretty good, but I can't say.
Speaker 3 (33:28):
That right now.
Speaker 6 (33:28):
Let's see. That goes back to being a coach and
not want to say it because you don't want those guys.
Speaker 3 (33:32):
To lose their edge.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
To the final moments here, Rockies Baseball con up at
the top of the hour. We got Game three of
the NBA Finals tonight
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