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The Broncos practice report for today is not a pretty one,
as we were just talking about a little bit ago.
Jonathan Cooper, Marvin Mims, Garrett Wallow all full that's good.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Nate Adkins, JK.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Dobbins, Jonah Ellis, Trent Sherfield, Alex Singleton, and Pat Sartan
all not practicing. And we were talking before the show
a little bit Rick because they brought back little Jordan
Humphrey and there was a little bit of a like, okay,
well what is his role? Specifically, they claimed him off
of the Giants practice squad and for his agent, he's
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going to play this week.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
He's already been told he's going to play.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
This weekend, and then you see Trent Sherfield on this
practice report is not practicing.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Suddenly that lines up a little bit more, now, doesn't it.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
I noticed that too when I saw that that was
a tweet. I saw that on X. Was that my
closser put that out? Yeah? And Trent Sherfield was two
question marks afterwards, like kind of a mystery. Nobody knew
he was hurt. Is he really hurt? What's going on?
It's okay? A toe, all right? And you and I
talked a bit off the air about Trent Sherfield as well,
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like what is he really contributing to the team. He's
a special teams guy, and honestly, I haven't really noticed
him much on special teams to say if he's been
doing a good job or not, but certainly haven't noticed
him at wide receiver. He's had two three catches all season.
Little Jordan Humphrey was a contributor last couple of years
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when he was here. This was one year he had
three touchdown pass and he's a good blocker. He's a
willing blocker, he's a big dude. I think he's a
welcome addition back to this football team.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
I'm here for it. We mentioned it earlier. He's familiar
with the system, that's all. That's all good stuff, and hey,
maybe some of the intermediate route stuff that the Broncos
have struggled to do. Again, I'm not trying to paint
a picture like this is the missing piece, but it's
a guy that knows the system and there's some familiarity there,
and I think that's a good thing. I thought it
was interesting Sean, And again his voice is breaking up.
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So I did the best to clean this up as
I could, But here was Sean Payton talking about bringing
back a little Jordan.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
I think just as we're into this run, having depth,
we know the player really well. One of his strength
strengths is his football IQ. He can play a lot
of different spots, and I think it was we had
that roster availability, so we'll see how that plays out.
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Mike Bandy's done a great job for like we wanted
to make sure that that during this stretch we had
the depth depth position. But you know exactly what you're
getting from him, and that's a real good trait to
have as a player. Then you can put him in
these places where he can excel. It was unusual seeing
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him on you know, the opponent's sideline a few weeks back.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
But we're glad to have him back. For Sean man Man,
he sounds bad. He sounds like he caught that virus
that was going around the team.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Yeah, it was tough there for a while, wasn't it.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Yeah. Healewski first and then Miners during the game.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
That's right, say night.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
He came out for a while because of an illness,
came back in.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
We haven't adjust to catch up on the Thursday night
game at all, Rick Boy, there were a lot of
vultures circling after that one. I was talking to Zach
Segers about it before the show, just how many podcasts
and articles that have come out since then.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Then you knew it was.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
It was predictable from national punnets who just really are
not big Bo Knicks fans. They thought he was overdrafted
or they didn't like him the pre draft process, whatever was.
And they've all come out with their think pieces on
how bad Bonix is playing after his worst game of
the season, and it really was like, what I mean, however,
you want to chop it up? He looked timid at times,
He looked like he was uncomfortable. They had nine to
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three and outs and he was missing guys all over
the place. So you won the game, but you wouldn't
know that they won the game. It was almost like
it was a disappointment for some of these people because
they couldn't add the exclamation point to the obituary of
bo Nicks because they somehow won the game. But a
lot of these people I've been certainly, we'll have a
sound By. I don't have a Cutch just yet. We'll
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have a saund By from Bonix. Because he talked about
how most of these people would never say this to
your face. He deleted social media, he said, he says
off of it. He's like, no, nobody tells me anything.
I deleted social media and most of these people wouldn't
say it to your face.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
But what was your reaction to the game.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
It was ugly. They won the game, and good teams
win ugly games. Broncos are a good football team. I
thought that was bo Nickx's worst game as a pro.
He looked hesitant. I looked like he he wasn't seeing
the field well. He missed. He didn't even look at
some wide open receivers. He it looks like he maybe
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doesn't trust what he's seeing now too, because we've seen
him double clutch several times in that game, like he
was real hesitating. It didn't feel like he was confident
comfortable at all. Back there another thing I've noticed with him.
He's now bailing out of the back of the pocket,
which is a disaster. There's no quarterback in the NFL
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they can get away with that, at least on a
consistent basis, typically a disaster for any NFL quarterback. Now,
that's a bad habit that you need to break right away.
And bo I think he just needs to settle down
a little bit. I think they put a lot on
his plate where he seems a bit overwhelmed right now,
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and just settle him back in a bit, maybe simplify
the game a little bit for him, slow it down
a little bit for him, do the things that he
does well. And all that being said, I think you
also have to factor in a Thursday night football game.
None of them have looked good. There's a lot of
teams that good teams that have played Thursday night that
just look bad. And I don't know about the Thursday
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night game thing in the National Football League. I doubt
if the players like it, you're not seeing good football.
Fans probably don't like it unless that's your team out
there playing. I don't know how many people are watching
Thursday night football. I don't know what the ratings are
for Thursday night football. They're really good, they have really
good Okay, so the NFL is happy. Well a lot
of people that are watching bad football on Thursday night,
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and I don't know if that's good for the league
or not. You know, and certainly BO can be better.
We know BO can be better. I think you're going
to see a better version of BO on Sunday. The
team looks tired, looks like the teams has kind of
worn out and now they're they're beat down a bit.
You got a buye week coming up after this. You
can go out there just lay it all out on
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the line against the Chiefs. I think this is a
really big game.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
We've had some decent Thursday night games this year. I'm
looking back at the schedule right now because I remember
there had been a couple of decent ones.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
There there was the Buffalo Miami game Buffalo one thirty one,
twenty one that it was kind of a touch touch
and go kind of game. The one that's probably the
most memorial is the Cincinnati Pittsburgh game where Cincinnati came
back and Joe Flacco had that monster performance.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
They ended up winning that game.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
Uh, the Giants beating the Eagles on Thursday Night football,
You remember that one where Jackson Dart sort of arrived.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Rights and that was that was a really big one
in week six.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
Hey, Thursday Night, Well, yeah, they.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Had traveled to New York and it was a short
week and they had just lost to the Broncos and
then they ended up losing that game to the Giants.
So yeah, the product is mixed at best, right, I mean,
so whatever you want to say about Thursday Night will
get a good game every so often, but it is
quite the grab bag compared to what Sundays tend to be.
But now, this last week was weird, right, I mean
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that all the primetime games were all weird. It was
a ten to seven game on Monday Night. It was
a weird game on Sunday Night as well. I remember
the Chargers that they won convincingly over the Steelers, who
scored three flipping points. But it was an ugly game.
It wasn't a good primetime game. So we're at a
point in the season between injuries and whatever that I
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think you're just gonna get these kinds of games. And
that's not an excuse of why the Broncos didn't destroy
the Raiders. I think it's just to your acknowledgement, Thursday
games or weird division games can be kind of weird too.
We'll come back and talk about this. An interesting theory
was put out there on a national podcast that I
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four forty five. So it was on the Football three
to one podcast Nate Tye, So I think.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Does a really good job.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
He's a really good analyst, and there's there's quite a
few out there that I like to listen to and
get their perspective on not only the Broncos, but is
a lot of teams. But they did a podcast recently
where they went through the fatal flaws of the playoff teams,
right of the teams that are in the playoffs, like, Okay,
this is the thing that you should be worried about
the most, And to nobody's surprise, bo Nicks was the
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top of the list.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
For them when it comes to the Broncos.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
And I think, especially coming off of this game, that
makes sense, right, Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
I do think that timing is everything.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Like I was on a rant yesterday about Ben Solac
with ESPN because he wrote this article, scathing article on Bonix,
and I was like, well, of course you're going to
pick right after the Broncos about Bonix is having the
worst game he's ever had. You gonna pick that game
as the one to be Like, I see, I told
you so. I told you this guy was overdrafted and
doesn't have the talent to play in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
God that that stuff botched me.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
Sometimes. I'm not sure why the media is so quick
to jump on bon Nicks. I think part of it
is Sean Payton. A lot of people that don't like
Sean Payton, and I think that's part of the bone
Knicks issue that he has to deal with. And we
know bon Nicks is Sean Payton's guy. That's his project
right there. And so I think the national media and
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some local media any chance they get to hammer bon Nix,
they feel like they're hammering Sean Payton at the same time.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
I mean, I think that's true. There is a little
bit of that. And once again kind of went off
on a ran. But when people do this for a living,
like analysts do this for a living, and they have
to put grades on players, they have expectations of where
players should be drafted and so on and so forth,
and you say unequivocally, this guy's a Day two pick,
and then all of a sudden he's drafted in the
first round, where you get to sit there and prow
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that he's overdrafted. And then when he goes out and
has tough games and you can say, see always right
all along. And people really like the confirmation bias stuff.
They really like to be right. And we definitely live
in an era and you know this too, We live
in an era where everybody wants to be right, and
that's that's the way you differentiate yourself. From everybody else
out there with a microphone, with a podcast with that,
I mean anything with the right columns, you.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Get to crow about the things you're right.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
You probably won't bring up the things you're wrong about,
but you get to crow about the things you're right. Anyways,
don't want to get too far off the sidetrack. He
brought up an interesting point today because you were talking
about how the key for you would be to simplify
things for bone Nicks, where his perspective is things are
simpler for Bonnicks right now, and this is how he's
operating the offense in his perspective. And he's been around
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the game because his dad, of course, was a coach
for a long time and with Mike Tice. But he
said that the Sean Peyton playbook is usually much thicker,
and what he's seeing when he's watching is a much
thinner version of that.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
It's a lot, it's a lot less on bo Nix's plate.
So it's a different reframe because I've been with you.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
It's like, hey, let's let's find a way to work
with some things that he feels more comfortable with. And
Nate is saying, that's exactly what Sean is doing, and
we're not even seeing the scope of what this offense
could be because Bo can't operate it.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
That's an interesting take, maybe in the sense that they
seem to be more focused on running the football than
they were earlier in the season. I'll give him that.
I also feel like they I felt like they kind
of put the reins on bow and told them not
to run. You know, just stand in the pocket, make
a throw, even if you see a chance to run,
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pull the ball down and find somewhere to throw it.
I feel like he's been hesitant to run the ball,
and that's a big part of his game. When bow
Nicks is at his best, it's design runs to RPOs
and bow in the in the scrambled Durrell and running
the ball. And we've seen him make plays this year
with his legs, in big plays with his legs. I
feel like he's hesitant in just about everything he's doing
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right now. And I don't know if that's the coaching
like they're telling them, Hey, man, don't you got to
find an open receiver, go through your checkdowns, don't just
take off and run. And maybe he's having trouble see
in the field.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
You brought up the fading way in the pocket stuff.
Oh yeah, somebody actually asked him about that. He this
was a fantastic question today. So again sometimes that our
media gets maligned in these you're only giving softballs this question. Well,
we'll get to when we come back this question to
Bo Nicks specifically on when you went back and looked
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at the film, do you feel like you're abandoned the.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Pocket too soon?
Speaker 3 (13:22):
That's question.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
It's a great question. The answer, we'll get to it next.
It's because Bo plays in Denver. That's why he's getting
the criticism he is. Well, yeah, I think I think
part of it is that, I'd say that again.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
Confirmation bias.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
There's so much of that now, and there are people
rushing to be right and they rush out to social
media or microphones or whatever, and our write articles and
you want to uh prop yourself up, I guess in
this respect. So a lot of people didn't have Bonix
in the first round. I honestly was one of them.
I did not expect Bonis to get drafted the first round.
On draft night, I like many of you as like,
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oh okay, wow, there you go. But it's a statement.
It's Sean Payton in some ways betting his legacy on
this guy. And once I put that context into my brain,
I got really excited about the pick. But it took
that moment where I was like, ah, man, you know
you could have had JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
That was my guy, and I really wanted JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
But then you move on from that because you say, well,
that's not his guy, because if he was his guy,
the Broncos were arranged to go get him. The guy
they wanted was Bo Nicks, and that's why he's here both.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
No doubt Boa stepped back a bit from what we
saw second half of last season. His rookie year happens,
happens to a lot of quarterbacks. Look at John Elway
his first year, second year, third year, look at every
quarterback in the league. Really, by the time you get
the year three, I think you kind of know what
you have in your quarterback in the National Football League.
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How about Josh Allen in year one and two? Oh yeah.
I heard Dave Logan earlier this week say you have
to be patient, and Roncle's fans are not very patient.
Roncles fans wanted to get rid of John Elway back
in the day I remember that, and if you're not
old enough to remember it, it's true. Fans were really
down on John Elway. They said he couldn't win the
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big game. John Alway looked great for quarter a quarter
and a half and just okay for most of the game.
John Oway one of the greatest players that ever played
the game.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
And we almost have a flip script here with bon
Nicks looking kind of rough.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
Early on and then finished as strong, yes exactly, and
finishing strong man. There's a lot to say about that.
Not a lot of these guys, not a lot of
these quarterbacks are closers, and even really good quarterbacks, they
put up big stats, and when it comes to crunch time,
they can't close the game out. Bone Nicks is proven.
That's the best thing about bon Nick so far. He
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has proven he can close games out and he's done
it at a consistent in a high level. Now right now,
this is not a good time for bon Nicks. He's
having a tough time right now. I feel like he
will come back around. We talked about simplifying the game
for him.
Speaker 5 (16:12):
And.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
I feel like they have in a sense that they've
been a little bit more focused on running the ball
and I think that helps him. But he just seems confused, unsettled,
not confident, not sure what he's seeing. And when he
sees something, he's not sure really what it is. And
if you watch fans don't typically watch the All twenty two,
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but a lot of analysts do. And when you can
see the whole field, you can see Bo's not seeing
the whole field. Same thing up in the booth. You
can see an open receiver sometimes two that he doesn't see.
And so he's gonna have to get better, and I
think he will. This will be a big, big game
for him.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
A couple more texts here.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
I think the statuhow of the quarterbacks will be playing
better in year three than in year two. With that said,
the Broncos are eating two during his worst stretch of
professional football.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
He needs to play better. Our odds are he will.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
You and I both believe that, and I think most people,
if they're being honest in their assessment, think that there
was another side because we have seen it like we
saw it last year, right and you know, by the way,
give out a shout out to Zack Secersy brought this
up out during the postgame a couple of times ago.
I think even last week was just saying, you know,
Boe after the Mini Buye last year was a different quarterback.
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Like he went on of a stretch there for four or
five games. We had eleven touchdowns in one pick. Now
in the middle of that was the Baltimore game. But
the Baltimore game kind of just got out of hand
and a multipude of reasons. That always felt like a
tough draw because Baltimore was one of the hottest teams
in the league, and they got beat up in really
every phase in that game, not excluding it. I'm just
saying for context, everything else was phenomenal. He had multiple
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three touchdown games, no interception games. In fact, the interception
I'm including was the Ravens game. He didn't take a
lot of sacks. He played great. He played great football
in that stretch, including giving the Broncos a chance to
win on the road in Arrowhead. That was after the
midi BI as well. So maybe there's another gear coming
up here in this game against Kansas City. I guess
we'll ultimately find out. But you brought up a point earlier.
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Nate Tye brought the exact same point on his podcast
when he was talking about Bonix abandoning the pocket too early,
and so what Nate said, and I think you kind
of alluded to as well, it's great that you're not
taking sacks. That is a good thing, But the other
side of that coin is what do you do with that?
Just not taking sacks is probably not enough. Again, it's
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a quality. It's one year when your quarterbacks taken to
any sacks, you want to have a guy that doesn't.
But if you're not completing passes, if you're not creating
big plays out of that, then it becomes a little
bit of a hollow stat So he was asked. Boenix
was asked today and I'm really glad I think Luca
asked this question. But if it wasn't him, I'm sorry
whoever did ask questions? Phenomenal question asked Bonix when he
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went back and looked at the film, and did he
ever see more moments where he maybe did abandon the
pocket too early?
Speaker 2 (19:02):
And what does you feel like he learned from that.
Here's what he.
Speaker 5 (19:05):
Said, Well, I think it's the toughest part of our
job to be honest with you, because it's uh, you know,
moving around running It can be a paying for the defense.
But at the same time, if you you know, if
you leave when something's open, or if you don't leave
when you had it and you could have run for
something instead you.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Try to throw it and force it. That's the toughest
part of our job.
Speaker 5 (19:25):
And you can evaluate it, you go back and look,
but point band, you never see the same play twice
and you're always going to have a different pocket, different route,
different team, different defense. And at the end of the day,
it's you're just making battleship decisions out there, and it's
going to be quick, reactionary decisions and sometimes you just
got to rely on your reaction and trust it. And
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you know, I think the biggest thing is, you know,
everybody wants to always question it, and you know you
can overthink it, and you know that's just takes away
from playing the game and playing the position. So you know,
we're all here for a reason. We all, you know,
rely on our instincts, and for me, it's just continuing
to do that and making the next best way.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Do you think you have been overthinking it at times?
Speaker 3 (20:15):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (20:15):
And that was it.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
That was all you said there. I have a couple
of takeaways from that. But what was your viscual reaction
to that.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
I think bo Nicks is really good answering questions at
a press conference. He's about as good as any politician
you've seen, which is really unusual for a young guy.
He is well schooled and polished, and he's been doing
this a long time.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
I'm not sure if he really said anything in that comment.
And that's also pretty typical of guys that are really
good at talking to the media. They'll say a lot
without really saying too much. I just the whole time
I was I was thinking about the fact that what
I'm seeing from bow Niggs is that he seems to
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zero in on a on a receiver, and if that
guy's not open, or he doesn't think he's open, that's
when things start to come apart for him. And you're
also seeing a lot of passes getting batted down at
the line of scrimmage too, And I think part of
that is that these teams are looking at it, they're
looking at his eyes, they know where he's looking. I
don't know, I don't know what to think about that statement.
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I just think bow is really polished answering questions. He
always says the right thing. He does, So what was
your thoughts?
Speaker 1 (21:36):
So my takeaway on that was is he's being coached
to follow his instincts. And Shawn's even said when asked
similar question, he said he made some kind of reference to, well,
you know, you don't you don't really interrupt a golfer
in his backswing kind of deal, right, you don't. You
don't tell a golfer like, hey, I want you to
think about what you're going to do here when you
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when you follow through.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
Very true.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
So in this case, the way he was talking about
how you'll never see the same play again, you have
to go off of your instincts in the moment and
go with your gut.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
And so it sounds to me the way I took
that is Sean.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
And the coaching staff are saying, Okay, you got to
continue to trust your instincts. If you're not seeing it,
don't make a mistake, don't do the wrong thing and
force it. And he said, now they'll they'll go back
over it, and there's there's things to learn about it.
But he the tough thing there is he says, you'll
never see the same play again, And he's right, it'll
just like you'll never see the exact same setup, but
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you'll see similarities. Right, There's only so many ways you
can play defense. There's only so many routes that can
be run. And there's a reason why when you get
to the line and you see whatever coverage they're in
that you feel like, Okay, I know what play is
going to work against this right, and they have usually
two plays called.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
So on one.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Hand, I think that's it's it's an important distinction that
you go with your instincts. On the other hand, it's
a bit of a cut hop out in my opinion,
because you're not really giving the process. It's due credits,
and the process is you take a look at what
you did the last game and you say, you know what,
when I get that look the next time, I'm.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Gonna burn them for that.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
When they think they can beat me in that look,
I'm gonna make sure that they know I can make
that throw and I'm gonna hang in the pocket and
I'm gonna do it.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
That's for me what I was on.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
I a would say disappointed is too strong of a
word there, but I just say I felt like he
could have done more there. He gave a great answer,
Like you said, he's had afferent words, but in the end,
the lesson is no, no. You go look at the film,
you dissect it, and then you realize, no, no, no, I
had it there. My offensive line was doing its job,
and next time we get that exact look, which you
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probably will see that exact look because the film is
what the film is, and teams are going to use
that against you. You're going to burn them for because
they don't think you can make that play.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
That's what I want to see.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
I think what we're seeing in what we're hearing is
pretty typical for a quarterback halfway through his second season.
I think this is not unusual in any way. Now
that being said, the Broncos are eight and two because
they have a really good defense and that defense is
keeping them in every game and when they've had to
crank it up on offense, bow Nicks has been able
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to do that, and I give him a lot of
credit for that. That's a great trait to have as
a quarterback. But bow is still struggling. You know. If
his first look is not open, that's when he has trouble,
you know, and that's when he'll either bail out or
he'll look for a quick checkdown behind the line of scrimmage,
and we've been seeing that over and over again. I
(24:38):
wonder how Peyton is coaching him regarding sacks, Like is
he's saying, whatever you do, don't take a sack. Well,
that's what I've been wondering for a while, because he
doesn't take sacks, because he props.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
It up all the time that hey, this is the
reason why you were drafted. We drafted you because you
don't take sacks. And he just came off with Russell Wilson,
who led the league in sacks. Yes, as part of
the reason you went to bow Nicks. But there's a
certain line there of like, you gotta hang in the pocket.
You're watching Drake May, and I'm not gonna hold Drake
May up against bow Nix and saying be like Drake May.
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But you watch that game against Tampa Bay and he
was getting popped in the pocket. He was hanging in there,
and here there was guys closing in all around him,
and he hung in there and he made a play.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
And I'm not saying bon Nix doesn't take hits.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
He definitely takes hits, but there are times and I'm
not saying he's risk risk averse to that.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
It's just that it does seem to be embedded in him.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
That's like, if it's even gonna be close, I've got
a bail. And sometimes it's a clean pocket he's bailing
out of.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
I got a.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
Banana's bow, nick stad I want to give to you
coming up at the top of the hour.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
Okay, you know, there's there's a couple of ways to
avoid sacks too. That's get rid of the ball, ye quick, yes.
Speaker 4 (25:49):
You know.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
And and that's a little tough when you're you're indecisive,
and Bo doesn't seem to really believe what he's seeing,
and he doesn't want to take any chances yep. So
that that he bails and a lot of times it
doesn't work out too good. Sometimes it does. I think
Bo's really good in the scrambled drill. When he's running.
(26:11):
That's when he seems at his best. When he's on
the run. Is he gonna run? Is he gonna throw?
He's great in boots, he's rollouts, he throws well on
the run. It's just almost kind of panicky now these
last four or five games where he's kind of panicked
in the pocket and you see that you see it
in his footwork. You know, he's got to have to
(26:32):
clean all that up. And you know in college you
can get away with all that, and he did. And
I'm not saying he can't fix that. He can't fix it.
We've seen bou play much better than we're seeing him
play right now.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Well, we'll come back to that a second.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
And I've got the SoundBite of him talking about how
he deals with the criticism.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
We'll get to that coming up here. Sound let's do
it all right we in the NFL segment. Oh, it's
always a fun one.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
Well, sorry, In London, as I take it back, we're
shuret In Berlin, as the Colts hosted the Falcons again
an overtime win.
Speaker 6 (27:02):
They give it to Jonathan Tayna steps back inside, but
he takes it to the end, so full touchdown the
man who has carried the Colts all afternoon in Berlin,
cats the game winning school to make it thirty one
twenty five and Indianapolis of cancering out of this kingdom
(27:23):
with a vig thory.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
I love Oliver Wilson west Wood one. It's great when
the Broncos play. You did the playby for that, as well,
it was phenomenal. He had three rushing touchdowns for Jonathan
Taylor two forty four on the ground monster.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
Yeah, having a great year of the best year, and
he's a great player. Dale Jones just an English accent, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
that sounds good no matter what you're saying. So good. Yeah,
I'd like that a lot.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Dale Jones's had kind of a rough couple games in
the row. Yeah, just bringing that up.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
They can continue to lean on Jonathan Taylor and that's fine,
But Jalale Jones as of last couple of games he
has he had four five turnovers, He's got four interceptions
for sure. I think he's got a fumble in there,
two passing touchdowns and.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
In twelve sacks. He's taking twelve sacks over the last
two games.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
Yeah, the league tends to catch up with you, which
is what's happened with Bomix two. That's part of the
problem with BO right now.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
Yeah, the New England Patriots and BO. This was an
impressive win on the road versus Tampa Bay.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Why formation of alert at the line by Drake may
play fake? The Henderson steps up Rob's Freder.
Speaker 6 (28:29):
Rights by Kyle Liam, You're making way to the forties,
thirty five thirty twenty five twenty speedy sideline touchdown Patriots.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
You gotta be kidding me, Bob soci Scott's olax stomping
all over the play by ninety five.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
The Ford saw Patriots Radio network very quickly.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
Here here's the Trayvion sixty nine yard touchdown that he
was looking back at the sideline.
Speaker 6 (28:52):
Boss left.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
Henderson has this trazy books outside.
Speaker 6 (28:56):
Five fifty to the forty, to the thirty, to the
twenty to the pen Patricks there's you ain't too.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
Much told him.
Speaker 6 (29:11):
So weak, but he's slight today.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
We get it. An It's like, that's awesome.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
That's a great boss Losers, hey man, love it.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
Drake Mays vaunted himself into the m VP conversation. He's
out the betting favorites to be the m v P.
I think he's having a really good season. But but
there's so much football left, Like it's not even to
take anything away from him. He's been very good, but
there's just so much football still.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
To be decided.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
And Tradon Henderson, that's the guy that Broncos could have drafted.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
You know they could have They traded back. I think
that he was gonna be yes target.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
He's a guy I think we both really liked in
the draft. He looks like a beast and Brabel said,
they're gonna feed him. They're gonna feed him the rest
of the way. Why wouldn't you.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
Broncos did like Jalen Wattel too. They he's made a
call prior to the trade line. He had a nice game.
Speaker 6 (30:01):
Play action to plenty of time going deep down the side.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
He's got Yeah, fust round, what a bro what a catch?
Speaker 1 (30:11):
Jammis to follow Joe Rose there and that's the wbgg
WI in z Miami Dolphins radio network on the call.
So Dolphins take it to the Bills thirty to thirteen.
And this was this wasn't even close. Yeah, the Bills
were thirteen points lates to make this. They're shut out
for three quarters. The Buffalo Bills were shut out for
(30:34):
three quarters.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
Yeah, and I thought the Bills were a mortal lock
in the game. That that game costs me a little
bit of money. I never saw that coming. I thought
the Dolphins were dead in the water and then they
pull off that. That's the National Football League for you.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
That is the league. The Jets.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
We don't talk about the Jetsu option, but they had
back to back power turn kickoff return touchdowns.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
And we just got to listen to this.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
Schmid with a kickoff down to Kane wong Wu at
a one yard line out, was right to the tend
of the fifteen, cuts it left of the twenty, finds
a crease across the thirty.
Speaker 6 (31:08):
There he goes timid feel down the sideline to the
thirty of the Cleveland Browns to the thirty to the
twenty ten five. That's a Jet touchdown.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
And then here's the power turn touchdown right after and
once again he'll kick it away from inside his own
twenty yard line again returnable running right with a flag
down Williams at the twenty six yard line. He gets
loose down the sideline of the fifty, cuts it back
left of the forty.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
He's at the thirty. He'll go all the way ten
five touchdown.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
Man, And I mean completely flipped the entire game now
ended up being kind of closed in the Jets scored late.
That's Bob with shooshin K one of four point three
in the New York Jets radio network.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
Yeah, the Jets seem to have a little bit of
life after getting rid of some of their best players. Yeah,
they'll figure. I thought they might even get rid of
their coach at the end of the season, But looks
like they're committee to him and the team is playing
for him. All episode we you have.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
Some dueling audio. You're ready for some dueling audio. It's
my favorite lot. Yeah, this's a great comparison Jacksonville and Houston.
This game was a weird one because so basically Jacksonville
ow in this game, there's up twenty nine to ten
entering the fourth quarter, and the Texans score twenty six
unanswered points to win thirty six to twenty nine. Now,
(32:26):
I played this earlier on Monday, so we won't play
all of it, but I thought the best ones were
the Davis Mills touchdowns. So do you want to hear
the Davis Mills, the quarterback of the Houston Texans. This
put them ahead? Do you want to hear the Houston
College Jacksonville call first the low lighter of the highlight.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
Let's do the highlight first.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
All right, here is the Davis Mills touchdown. That wait,
hold on, I want to make sure I the th'rerow on.
Here we go This is the Davis Mills touchdown that
put the Texans up.
Speaker 4 (32:53):
Here's the snap, Davis looking, Davis stepick to his left,
Davis out on the log of ten.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
Davis fuck Davis. Hi a quarter day touchdown.
Speaker 6 (33:02):
Joe said, the Texas take the lead on the male scramble.
Speaker 4 (33:08):
Amazing Demails gets it done.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
Bark Van Texas Radio fours Rio six ten. All right,
so that's highlights. Here's the Jacksonville call.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
Shut down for mail.
Speaker 6 (33:20):
If he dropped a throat four man rush looking looking
scrambling towards left, he's.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
Gonna run it. He's gonna want it to a five.
He's gonna run into the inn and going who cuts down?
No scramble for four came yard he put it down.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
My goodness, that's pretty fragie. Jeff Lagman with Jaguars Radio Network.
Oh no, yeah, oh no, oh no, oh. You can
feel that you've been up in the booths.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
You that absolutely, oh.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
God, you just yeah, I'll we can maybe a little bit,
I can play you the because then there's a fumble
recovery touchdown. It's like as Jacksonville's trying to to drive
just to get in the field goal range, and then
Trevor Lawrence was sacked and fumbled into his recovery. We
have the dueling audio that too, so we can get
to that coming up to here in a little bit. Uh,
let's see if there's anything else. Uh yeah, Hey, Tyler
(34:10):
Shuck making his debut.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
How about that?
Speaker 3 (34:13):
Here jumps some pressure, shucked out of the shotgun, throws
a jeep.
Speaker 6 (34:16):
Down the far sideline looking for a Lava who makes
the catch and Alava, We'll just slip toe down.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
The sideline into the end zone. Hard touchdown.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
Mike as WWL radio, the flas are station for the
New Orleans Saints. So, hey, you gotta win. Panthers beat
the Cowboys. Oh no, no, they beat the Green Bay
Packers the week before at Lambeau and then they lose
seventeen to seven at home to the Saints.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
Yeah, what's going on with the Pack?
Speaker 2 (34:45):
I really don't know. Uh the Pack? The Pack are
in a little bit of a bad way.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
Yes they are.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
Well, we gotta give some love, you know, I tell
you we'll do this on their sacks. We're up against it.
Seattle Sea Hawks look like they're good. They look really
I agree, really good.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
So Arnold Rams.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
Yeah, and those teams. The teams play each other.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
This week, the Seahawks and Rams. It's the greatest, all right,
we'll come back. We'll get to all that condom next
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The Broncos practice report for today is not a pretty one,
as we were just talking about a little bit ago.
Jonathan Cooper, Marvin Mims, Garrett Wallow all full that's good.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Nate Adkins, JK.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Dobbins, Jonah Ellis, Trent Sherfield, Alex Singleton, and Pat Sartan
all not practicing. And we were talking before the show
a little bit Rick because they brought back little Jordan
Humphrey and there was a little bit of a like, okay,
well what is his role? Specifically, they claimed him off
of the Giants practice squad and for his agent, he's
(00:54):
going to play this week.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
He's already been told he's going to play.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
This weekend, and then you see Trent Sherfield on this
practice report is not practicing.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Suddenly that lines up a little bit more, now, doesn't it.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
I noticed that too when I saw that that was
a tweet. I saw that on X. Was that my
closser put that out? Yeah? And Trent Sherfield was two
question marks afterwards, like kind of a mystery. Nobody knew
he was hurt. Is he really hurt? What's going on?
It's okay? A toe, all right? And you and I
talked a bit off the air about Trent Sherfield as well,
(01:27):
like what is he really contributing to the team. He's
a special teams guy, and honestly, I haven't really noticed
him much on special teams to say if he's been
doing a good job or not, but certainly haven't noticed
him at wide receiver. He's had two three catches all season.
Little Jordan Humphrey was a contributor last couple of years
(01:49):
when he was here. This was one year he had
three touchdown pass and he's a good blocker. He's a
willing blocker, he's a big dude. I think he's a
welcome addition back to this football team.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
I'm here for it. We mentioned it earlier. He's familiar
with the system, that's all. That's all good stuff, and hey,
maybe some of the intermediate route stuff that the Broncos
have struggled to do. Again, I'm not trying to paint
a picture like this is the missing piece, but it's
a guy that knows the system and there's some familiarity there,
and I think that's a good thing. I thought it
was interesting Sean, And again his voice is breaking up.
(02:21):
So I did the best to clean this up as
I could, But here was Sean Payton talking about bringing
back a little Jordan.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
I think just as we're into this run, having depth,
we know the player really well. One of his strength
strengths is his football IQ. He can play a lot
of different spots, and I think it was we had
that roster availability, so we'll see how that plays out.
(02:48):
Mike Bandy's done a great job for like we wanted
to make sure that that during this stretch we had
the depth depth position. But you know exactly what you're
getting from him, and that's a real good trait to
have as a player. Then you can put him in
these places where he can excel. It was unusual seeing
(03:08):
him on you know, the opponent's sideline a few weeks back.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
But we're glad to have him back. For Sean man Man,
he sounds bad. He sounds like he caught that virus
that was going around the team.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Yeah, it was tough there for a while, wasn't it.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Yeah. Healewski first and then Miners during the game.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
That's right, say night.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
He came out for a while because of an illness,
came back in.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
We haven't adjust to catch up on the Thursday night
game at all, Rick Boy, there were a lot of
vultures circling after that one. I was talking to Zach
Segers about it before the show, just how many podcasts
and articles that have come out since then.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Then you knew it was.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
It was predictable from national punnets who just really are
not big Bo Knicks fans. They thought he was overdrafted
or they didn't like him the pre draft process, whatever was.
And they've all come out with their think pieces on
how bad Bonix is playing after his worst game of
the season, and it really was like, what I mean, however,
you want to chop it up? He looked timid at times,
He looked like he was uncomfortable. They had nine to
(04:07):
three and outs and he was missing guys all over
the place. So you won the game, but you wouldn't
know that they won the game. It was almost like
it was a disappointment for some of these people because
they couldn't add the exclamation point to the obituary of
bo Nicks because they somehow won the game. But a
lot of these people I've been certainly, we'll have a
sound By. I don't have a Cutch just yet. We'll
(04:28):
have a saund By from Bonix. Because he talked about
how most of these people would never say this to
your face. He deleted social media, he said, he says
off of it. He's like, no, nobody tells me anything.
I deleted social media and most of these people wouldn't
say it to your face.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
But what was your reaction to the game.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
It was ugly. They won the game, and good teams
win ugly games. Broncos are a good football team. I
thought that was bo Nickx's worst game as a pro.
He looked hesitant. I looked like he he wasn't seeing
the field well. He missed. He didn't even look at
some wide open receivers. He it looks like he maybe
(05:08):
doesn't trust what he's seeing now too, because we've seen
him double clutch several times in that game, like he
was real hesitating. It didn't feel like he was confident
comfortable at all. Back there another thing I've noticed with him.
He's now bailing out of the back of the pocket,
which is a disaster. There's no quarterback in the NFL
(05:28):
they can get away with that, at least on a
consistent basis, typically a disaster for any NFL quarterback. Now,
that's a bad habit that you need to break right away.
And bo I think he just needs to settle down
a little bit. I think they put a lot on
his plate where he seems a bit overwhelmed right now,
(05:49):
and just settle him back in a bit, maybe simplify
the game a little bit for him, slow it down
a little bit for him, do the things that he
does well. And all that being said, I think you
also have to factor in a Thursday night football game.
None of them have looked good. There's a lot of
teams that good teams that have played Thursday night that
just look bad. And I don't know about the Thursday
(06:11):
night game thing in the National Football League. I doubt
if the players like it, you're not seeing good football.
Fans probably don't like it unless that's your team out
there playing. I don't know how many people are watching
Thursday night football. I don't know what the ratings are
for Thursday night football. They're really good, they have really
good Okay, so the NFL is happy. Well a lot
of people that are watching bad football on Thursday night,
(06:34):
and I don't know if that's good for the league
or not. You know, and certainly BO can be better.
We know BO can be better. I think you're going
to see a better version of BO on Sunday. The
team looks tired, looks like the teams has kind of
worn out and now they're they're beat down a bit.
You got a buye week coming up after this. You
can go out there just lay it all out on
(06:54):
the line against the Chiefs. I think this is a
really big game.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
We've had some decent Thursday night games this year. I'm
looking back at the schedule right now because I remember
there had been a couple of decent ones.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
There there was the Buffalo Miami game Buffalo one thirty one,
twenty one that it was kind of a touch touch
and go kind of game. The one that's probably the
most memorial is the Cincinnati Pittsburgh game where Cincinnati came
back and Joe Flacco had that monster performance.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
They ended up winning that game.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
Uh, the Giants beating the Eagles on Thursday Night football,
You remember that one where Jackson Dart sort of arrived.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Rights and that was that was a really big one
in week six.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
Hey, Thursday Night, Well, yeah, they.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Had traveled to New York and it was a short
week and they had just lost to the Broncos and
then they ended up losing that game to the Giants.
So yeah, the product is mixed at best, right, I mean,
so whatever you want to say about Thursday Night will
get a good game every so often, but it is
quite the grab bag compared to what Sundays tend to be.
But now, this last week was weird, right, I mean
(07:55):
that all the primetime games were all weird. It was
a ten to seven game on Monday Night. It was
a weird game on Sunday Night as well. I remember
the Chargers that they won convincingly over the Steelers, who
scored three flipping points. But it was an ugly game.
It wasn't a good primetime game. So we're at a
point in the season between injuries and whatever that I
(08:16):
think you're just gonna get these kinds of games. And
that's not an excuse of why the Broncos didn't destroy
the Raiders. I think it's just to your acknowledgement, Thursday
games or weird division games can be kind of weird too.
We'll come back and talk about this. An interesting theory
was put out there on a national podcast that I
want to run by you this hour's chance it's one
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It's been a lot of fun having Rick Lewis in
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get a chance to listen to other sound from around
the leaks. We'll do that again coming up here at
four forty five. So it was on the Football three
to one podcast Nate Tye, So I think.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Does a really good job.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
He's a really good analyst, and there's there's quite a
few out there that I like to listen to and
get their perspective on not only the Broncos, but is
a lot of teams. But they did a podcast recently
where they went through the fatal flaws of the playoff teams,
right of the teams that are in the playoffs, like, Okay,
this is the thing that you should be worried about
the most, And to nobody's surprise, bo Nicks was the
(09:19):
top of the list.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
For them when it comes to the Broncos.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
And I think, especially coming off of this game, that
makes sense, right, Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
I do think that timing is everything.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Like I was on a rant yesterday about Ben Solac
with ESPN because he wrote this article, scathing article on Bonix,
and I was like, well, of course you're going to
pick right after the Broncos about Bonix is having the
worst game he's ever had. You gonna pick that game
as the one to be Like, I see, I told
you so. I told you this guy was overdrafted and
doesn't have the talent to play in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
God that that stuff botched me.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
Sometimes. I'm not sure why the media is so quick
to jump on bon Nicks. I think part of it
is Sean Payton. A lot of people that don't like
Sean Payton, and I think that's part of the bone
Knicks issue that he has to deal with. And we
know bon Nicks is Sean Payton's guy. That's his project
right there. And so I think the national media and
(10:14):
some local media any chance they get to hammer bon Nix,
they feel like they're hammering Sean Payton at the same time.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
I mean, I think that's true. There is a little
bit of that. And once again kind of went off
on a ran. But when people do this for a living,
like analysts do this for a living, and they have
to put grades on players, they have expectations of where
players should be drafted and so on and so forth,
and you say unequivocally, this guy's a Day two pick,
and then all of a sudden he's drafted in the
first round, where you get to sit there and prow
(10:40):
that he's overdrafted. And then when he goes out and
has tough games and you can say, see always right
all along. And people really like the confirmation bias stuff.
They really like to be right. And we definitely live
in an era and you know this too, We live
in an era where everybody wants to be right, and
that's that's the way you differentiate yourself. From everybody else
out there with a microphone, with a podcast with that,
I mean anything with the right columns, you.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Get to crow about the things you're right.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
You probably won't bring up the things you're wrong about,
but you get to crow about the things you're right. Anyways,
don't want to get too far off the sidetrack. He
brought up an interesting point today because you were talking
about how the key for you would be to simplify
things for bone Nicks, where his perspective is things are
simpler for Bonnicks right now, and this is how he's
operating the offense in his perspective. And he's been around
(11:26):
the game because his dad, of course, was a coach
for a long time and with Mike Tice. But he
said that the Sean Peyton playbook is usually much thicker,
and what he's seeing when he's watching is a much
thinner version of that.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
It's a lot, it's a lot less on bo Nix's plate.
So it's a different reframe because I've been with you.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
It's like, hey, let's let's find a way to work
with some things that he feels more comfortable with. And
Nate is saying, that's exactly what Sean is doing, and
we're not even seeing the scope of what this offense
could be because Bo can't operate it.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
That's an interesting take, maybe in the sense that they
seem to be more focused on running the football than
they were earlier in the season. I'll give him that.
I also feel like they I felt like they kind
of put the reins on bow and told them not
to run. You know, just stand in the pocket, make
a throw, even if you see a chance to run,
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pull the ball down and find somewhere to throw it.
I feel like he's been hesitant to run the ball,
and that's a big part of his game. When bow
Nicks is at his best, it's design runs to RPOs
and bow in the in the scrambled Durrell and running
the ball. And we've seen him make plays this year
with his legs, in big plays with his legs. I
feel like he's hesitant in just about everything he's doing
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right now. And I don't know if that's the coaching
like they're telling them, Hey, man, don't you got to
find an open receiver, go through your checkdowns, don't just
take off and run. And maybe he's having trouble see
in the field.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
You brought up the fading way in the pocket stuff.
Oh yeah, somebody actually asked him about that. He this
was a fantastic question today. So again sometimes that our
media gets maligned in these you're only giving softballs this question. Well,
we'll get to when we come back this question to
Bo Nicks specifically on when you went back and looked
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at the film, do you feel like you're abandoned the.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Pocket too soon?
Speaker 3 (13:22):
That's question.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
It's a great question. The answer, we'll get to it next.
It's because Bo plays in Denver. That's why he's getting
the criticism he is. Well, yeah, I think I think
part of it is that, I'd say that again.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
Confirmation bias.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
There's so much of that now, and there are people
rushing to be right and they rush out to social
media or microphones or whatever, and our write articles and
you want to uh prop yourself up, I guess in
this respect. So a lot of people didn't have Bonix
in the first round. I honestly was one of them.
I did not expect Bonis to get drafted the first round.
On draft night, I like many of you as like,
(14:02):
oh okay, wow, there you go. But it's a statement.
It's Sean Payton in some ways betting his legacy on
this guy. And once I put that context into my brain,
I got really excited about the pick. But it took
that moment where I was like, ah, man, you know
you could have had JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
That was my guy, and I really wanted JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
But then you move on from that because you say, well,
that's not his guy, because if he was his guy,
the Broncos were arranged to go get him. The guy
they wanted was Bo Nicks, and that's why he's here both.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
No doubt Boa stepped back a bit from what we
saw second half of last season. His rookie year happens,
happens to a lot of quarterbacks. Look at John Elway
his first year, second year, third year, look at every
quarterback in the league. Really, by the time you get
the year three, I think you kind of know what
you have in your quarterback in the National Football League.
(14:56):
How about Josh Allen in year one and two? Oh yeah.
I heard Dave Logan earlier this week say you have
to be patient, and Roncle's fans are not very patient.
Roncles fans wanted to get rid of John Elway back
in the day I remember that, and if you're not
old enough to remember it, it's true. Fans were really
down on John Elway. They said he couldn't win the
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big game. John Alway looked great for quarter a quarter
and a half and just okay for most of the game.
John Oway one of the greatest players that ever played
the game.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
And we almost have a flip script here with bon
Nicks looking kind of rough.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
Early on and then finished as strong, yes exactly, and
finishing strong man. There's a lot to say about that.
Not a lot of these guys, not a lot of
these quarterbacks are closers, and even really good quarterbacks, they
put up big stats, and when it comes to crunch time,
they can't close the game out. Bone Nicks is proven.
That's the best thing about bon Nick so far. He
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has proven he can close games out and he's done
it at a consistent in a high level. Now right now,
this is not a good time for bon Nicks. He's
having a tough time right now. I feel like he
will come back around. We talked about simplifying the game
for him.
Speaker 5 (16:12):
And.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
I feel like they have in a sense that they've
been a little bit more focused on running the ball
and I think that helps him. But he just seems confused, unsettled,
not confident, not sure what he's seeing. And when he
sees something, he's not sure really what it is. And
if you watch fans don't typically watch the All twenty two,
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but a lot of analysts do. And when you can
see the whole field, you can see Bo's not seeing
the whole field. Same thing up in the booth. You
can see an open receiver sometimes two that he doesn't see.
And so he's gonna have to get better, and I
think he will. This will be a big, big game
for him.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
A couple more texts here.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
I think the statuhow of the quarterbacks will be playing
better in year three than in year two. With that said,
the Broncos are eating two during his worst stretch of
professional football.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
He needs to play better. Our odds are he will.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
You and I both believe that, and I think most people,
if they're being honest in their assessment, think that there
was another side because we have seen it like we
saw it last year, right and you know, by the way,
give out a shout out to Zack Secersy brought this
up out during the postgame a couple of times ago.
I think even last week was just saying, you know,
Boe after the Mini Buye last year was a different quarterback.
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Like he went on of a stretch there for four or
five games. We had eleven touchdowns in one pick. Now
in the middle of that was the Baltimore game. But
the Baltimore game kind of just got out of hand
and a multipude of reasons. That always felt like a
tough draw because Baltimore was one of the hottest teams
in the league, and they got beat up in really
every phase in that game, not excluding it. I'm just
saying for context, everything else was phenomenal. He had multiple
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three touchdown games, no interception games. In fact, the interception
I'm including was the Ravens game. He didn't take a
lot of sacks. He played great. He played great football
in that stretch, including giving the Broncos a chance to
win on the road in Arrowhead. That was after the
midi BI as well. So maybe there's another gear coming
up here in this game against Kansas City. I guess
we'll ultimately find out. But you brought up a point earlier.
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Nate Tye brought the exact same point on his podcast
when he was talking about Bonix abandoning the pocket too early,
and so what Nate said, and I think you kind
of alluded to as well, it's great that you're not
taking sacks. That is a good thing, But the other
side of that coin is what do you do with that?
Just not taking sacks is probably not enough. Again, it's
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a quality. It's one year when your quarterbacks taken to
any sacks, you want to have a guy that doesn't.
But if you're not completing passes, if you're not creating
big plays out of that, then it becomes a little
bit of a hollow stat So he was asked. Boenix
was asked today and I'm really glad I think Luca
asked this question. But if it wasn't him, I'm sorry
whoever did ask questions? Phenomenal question asked Bonix when he
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went back and looked at the film, and did he
ever see more moments where he maybe did abandon the
pocket too early?
Speaker 2 (19:02):
And what does you feel like he learned from that.
Here's what he.
Speaker 5 (19:05):
Said, Well, I think it's the toughest part of our
job to be honest with you, because it's uh, you know,
moving around running It can be a paying for the defense.
But at the same time, if you you know, if
you leave when something's open, or if you don't leave
when you had it and you could have run for
something instead you.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Try to throw it and force it. That's the toughest
part of our job.
Speaker 5 (19:25):
And you can evaluate it, you go back and look,
but point band, you never see the same play twice
and you're always going to have a different pocket, different route,
different team, different defense. And at the end of the day,
it's you're just making battleship decisions out there, and it's
going to be quick, reactionary decisions and sometimes you just
got to rely on your reaction and trust it. And
(19:45):
you know, I think the biggest thing is, you know,
everybody wants to always question it, and you know you
can overthink it, and you know that's just takes away
from playing the game and playing the position. So you know,
we're all here for a reason. We all, you know,
rely on our instincts, and for me, it's just continuing
to do that and making the next best way.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Do you think you have been overthinking it at times?
Speaker 3 (20:15):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (20:15):
And that was it.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
That was all you said there. I have a couple
of takeaways from that. But what was your viscual reaction
to that.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
I think bo Nicks is really good answering questions at
a press conference. He's about as good as any politician
you've seen, which is really unusual for a young guy.
He is well schooled and polished, and he's been doing
this a long time.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
I'm not sure if he really said anything in that comment.
And that's also pretty typical of guys that are really
good at talking to the media. They'll say a lot
without really saying too much. I just the whole time
I was I was thinking about the fact that what
I'm seeing from bow Niggs is that he seems to
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zero in on a on a receiver, and if that
guy's not open, or he doesn't think he's open, that's
when things start to come apart for him. And you're
also seeing a lot of passes getting batted down at
the line of scrimmage too, And I think part of
that is that these teams are looking at it, they're
looking at his eyes, they know where he's looking. I
don't know, I don't know what to think about that statement.
(21:29):
I just think bow is really polished answering questions. He
always says the right thing. He does, So what was
your thoughts?
Speaker 1 (21:36):
So my takeaway on that was is he's being coached
to follow his instincts. And Shawn's even said when asked
similar question, he said he made some kind of reference to, well,
you know, you don't you don't really interrupt a golfer
in his backswing kind of deal, right, you don't. You
don't tell a golfer like, hey, I want you to
think about what you're going to do here when you
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when you follow through.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
Very true.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
So in this case, the way he was talking about
how you'll never see the same play again, you have
to go off of your instincts in the moment and
go with your gut.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
And so it sounds to me the way I took
that is Sean.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
And the coaching staff are saying, Okay, you got to
continue to trust your instincts. If you're not seeing it,
don't make a mistake, don't do the wrong thing and
force it. And he said, now they'll they'll go back
over it, and there's there's things to learn about it.
But he the tough thing there is he says, you'll
never see the same play again, And he's right, it'll
just like you'll never see the exact same setup, but
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you'll see similarities. Right, There's only so many ways you
can play defense. There's only so many routes that can
be run. And there's a reason why when you get
to the line and you see whatever coverage they're in
that you feel like, Okay, I know what play is
going to work against this right, and they have usually
two plays called.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
So on one.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Hand, I think that's it's it's an important distinction that
you go with your instincts. On the other hand, it's
a bit of a cut hop out in my opinion,
because you're not really giving the process. It's due credits,
and the process is you take a look at what
you did the last game and you say, you know what,
when I get that look the next time, I'm.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Gonna burn them for that.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
When they think they can beat me in that look,
I'm gonna make sure that they know I can make
that throw and I'm gonna hang in the pocket and
I'm gonna do it.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
That's for me what I was on.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
I a would say disappointed is too strong of a
word there, but I just say I felt like he
could have done more there. He gave a great answer,
Like you said, he's had afferent words, but in the end,
the lesson is no, no. You go look at the film,
you dissect it, and then you realize, no, no, no, I
had it there. My offensive line was doing its job,
and next time we get that exact look, which you
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probably will see that exact look because the film is
what the film is, and teams are going to use
that against you. You're going to burn them for because
they don't think you can make that play.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
That's what I want to see.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
I think what we're seeing in what we're hearing is
pretty typical for a quarterback halfway through his second season.
I think this is not unusual in any way. Now
that being said, the Broncos are eight and two because
they have a really good defense and that defense is
keeping them in every game and when they've had to
crank it up on offense, bow Nicks has been able
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to do that, and I give him a lot of
credit for that. That's a great trait to have as
a quarterback. But bow is still struggling. You know. If
his first look is not open, that's when he has trouble,
you know, and that's when he'll either bail out or
he'll look for a quick checkdown behind the line of scrimmage,
and we've been seeing that over and over again. I
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wonder how Peyton is coaching him regarding sacks, Like is
he's saying, whatever you do, don't take a sack. Well,
that's what I've been wondering for a while, because he
doesn't take sacks, because he props.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
It up all the time that hey, this is the
reason why you were drafted. We drafted you because you
don't take sacks. And he just came off with Russell Wilson,
who led the league in sacks. Yes, as part of
the reason you went to bow Nicks. But there's a
certain line there of like, you gotta hang in the pocket.
You're watching Drake May, and I'm not gonna hold Drake
May up against bow Nix and saying be like Drake May.
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But you watch that game against Tampa Bay and he
was getting popped in the pocket. He was hanging in there,
and here there was guys closing in all around him,
and he hung in there and he made a play.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
And I'm not saying bon Nix doesn't take hits.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
He definitely takes hits, but there are times and I'm
not saying he's risk risk averse to that.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
It's just that it does seem to be embedded in him.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
That's like, if it's even gonna be close, I've got
a bail. And sometimes it's a clean pocket he's bailing
out of.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
I got a.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
Banana's bow, nick stad I want to give to you
coming up at the top of the hour.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
Okay, you know, there's there's a couple of ways to
avoid sacks too. That's get rid of the ball, ye quick, yes.
Speaker 4 (25:49):
You know.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
And and that's a little tough when you're you're indecisive,
and Bo doesn't seem to really believe what he's seeing,
and he doesn't want to take any chances yep. So
that that he bails and a lot of times it
doesn't work out too good. Sometimes it does. I think
Bo's really good in the scrambled drill. When he's running.
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That's when he seems at his best. When he's on
the run. Is he gonna run? Is he gonna throw?
He's great in boots, he's rollouts, he throws well on
the run. It's just almost kind of panicky now these
last four or five games where he's kind of panicked
in the pocket and you see that you see it
in his footwork. You know, he's got to have to
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clean all that up. And you know in college you
can get away with all that, and he did. And
I'm not saying he can't fix that. He can't fix it.
We've seen bou play much better than we're seeing him
play right now.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Well, we'll come back to that a second.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
And I've got the SoundBite of him talking about how
he deals with the criticism.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
We'll get to that coming up here. Sound let's do
it all right we in the NFL segment. Oh, it's
always a fun one.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
Well, sorry, In London, as I take it back, we're
shuret In Berlin, as the Colts hosted the Falcons again
an overtime win.
Speaker 6 (27:02):
They give it to Jonathan Tayna steps back inside, but
he takes it to the end, so full touchdown the
man who has carried the Colts all afternoon in Berlin,
cats the game winning school to make it thirty one
twenty five and Indianapolis of cancering out of this kingdom
(27:23):
with a vig thory.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
I love Oliver Wilson west Wood one. It's great when
the Broncos play. You did the playby for that, as well,
it was phenomenal. He had three rushing touchdowns for Jonathan
Taylor two forty four on the ground monster.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
Yeah, having a great year of the best year, and
he's a great player. Dale Jones just an English accent, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
that sounds good no matter what you're saying. So good. Yeah,
I'd like that a lot.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Dale Jones's had kind of a rough couple games in
the row. Yeah, just bringing that up.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
They can continue to lean on Jonathan Taylor and that's fine,
But Jalale Jones as of last couple of games he
has he had four five turnovers, He's got four interceptions
for sure. I think he's got a fumble in there,
two passing touchdowns and.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
In twelve sacks. He's taking twelve sacks over the last
two games.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
Yeah, the league tends to catch up with you, which
is what's happened with Bomix two. That's part of the
problem with BO right now.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
Yeah, the New England Patriots and BO. This was an
impressive win on the road versus Tampa Bay.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Why formation of alert at the line by Drake may
play fake? The Henderson steps up Rob's Freder.
Speaker 6 (28:29):
Rights by Kyle Liam, You're making way to the forties,
thirty five thirty twenty five twenty speedy sideline touchdown Patriots.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
You gotta be kidding me, Bob soci Scott's olax stomping
all over the play by ninety five.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
The Ford saw Patriots Radio network very quickly.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
Here here's the Trayvion sixty nine yard touchdown that he
was looking back at the sideline.
Speaker 6 (28:52):
Boss left.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
Henderson has this trazy books outside.
Speaker 6 (28:56):
Five fifty to the forty, to the thirty, to the
twenty to the pen Patricks there's you ain't too.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
Much told him.
Speaker 6 (29:11):
So weak, but he's slight today.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
We get it. An It's like, that's awesome.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
That's a great boss Losers, hey man, love it.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
Drake Mays vaunted himself into the m VP conversation. He's
out the betting favorites to be the m v P.
I think he's having a really good season. But but
there's so much football left, Like it's not even to
take anything away from him. He's been very good, but
there's just so much football still.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
To be decided.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
And Tradon Henderson, that's the guy that Broncos could have drafted.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
You know they could have They traded back. I think
that he was gonna be yes target.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
He's a guy I think we both really liked in
the draft. He looks like a beast and Brabel said,
they're gonna feed him. They're gonna feed him the rest
of the way. Why wouldn't you.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
Broncos did like Jalen Wattel too. They he's made a
call prior to the trade line. He had a nice game.
Speaker 6 (30:01):
Play action to plenty of time going deep down the side.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
He's got Yeah, fust round, what a bro what a catch?
Speaker 1 (30:11):
Jammis to follow Joe Rose there and that's the wbgg
WI in z Miami Dolphins radio network on the call.
So Dolphins take it to the Bills thirty to thirteen.
And this was this wasn't even close. Yeah, the Bills
were thirteen points lates to make this. They're shut out
for three quarters. The Buffalo Bills were shut out for
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three quarters.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
Yeah, and I thought the Bills were a mortal lock
in the game. That that game costs me a little
bit of money. I never saw that coming. I thought
the Dolphins were dead in the water and then they
pull off that. That's the National Football League for you.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
That is the league. The Jets.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
We don't talk about the Jetsu option, but they had
back to back power turn kickoff return touchdowns.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
And we just got to listen to this.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
Schmid with a kickoff down to Kane wong Wu at
a one yard line out, was right to the tend
of the fifteen, cuts it left of the twenty, finds
a crease across the thirty.
Speaker 6 (31:08):
There he goes timid feel down the sideline to the
thirty of the Cleveland Browns to the thirty to the
twenty ten five. That's a Jet touchdown.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
And then here's the power turn touchdown right after and
once again he'll kick it away from inside his own
twenty yard line again returnable running right with a flag
down Williams at the twenty six yard line. He gets
loose down the sideline of the fifty, cuts it back
left of the forty.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
He's at the thirty. He'll go all the way ten
five touchdown.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
Man, And I mean completely flipped the entire game now
ended up being kind of closed in the Jets scored late.
That's Bob with shooshin K one of four point three
in the New York Jets radio network.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
Yeah, the Jets seem to have a little bit of
life after getting rid of some of their best players. Yeah,
they'll figure. I thought they might even get rid of
their coach at the end of the season, But looks
like they're committee to him and the team is playing
for him. All episode we you have.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
Some dueling audio. You're ready for some dueling audio. It's
my favorite lot. Yeah, this's a great comparison Jacksonville and Houston.
This game was a weird one because so basically Jacksonville
ow in this game, there's up twenty nine to ten
entering the fourth quarter, and the Texans score twenty six
unanswered points to win thirty six to twenty nine. Now,
(32:26):
I played this earlier on Monday, so we won't play
all of it, but I thought the best ones were
the Davis Mills touchdowns. So do you want to hear
the Davis Mills, the quarterback of the Houston Texans. This
put them ahead? Do you want to hear the Houston
College Jacksonville call first the low lighter of the highlight.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
Let's do the highlight first.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
All right, here is the Davis Mills touchdown. That wait,
hold on, I want to make sure I the th'rerow on.
Here we go This is the Davis Mills touchdown that
put the Texans up.
Speaker 4 (32:53):
Here's the snap, Davis looking, Davis stepick to his left,
Davis out on the log of ten.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
Davis fuck Davis. Hi a quarter day touchdown.
Speaker 6 (33:02):
Joe said, the Texas take the lead on the male scramble.
Speaker 4 (33:08):
Amazing Demails gets it done.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
Bark Van Texas Radio fours Rio six ten. All right,
so that's highlights. Here's the Jacksonville call.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
Shut down for mail.
Speaker 6 (33:20):
If he dropped a throat four man rush looking looking
scrambling towards left, he's.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
Gonna run it. He's gonna want it to a five.
He's gonna run into the inn and going who cuts down?
No scramble for four came yard he put it down.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
My goodness, that's pretty fragie. Jeff Lagman with Jaguars Radio Network.
Oh no, yeah, oh no, oh no, oh. You can
feel that you've been up in the booths.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
You that absolutely, oh.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
God, you just yeah, I'll we can maybe a little bit,
I can play you the because then there's a fumble
recovery touchdown. It's like as Jacksonville's trying to to drive
just to get in the field goal range, and then
Trevor Lawrence was sacked and fumbled into his recovery. We
have the dueling audio that too, so we can get
to that coming up to here in a little bit. Uh,
let's see if there's anything else. Uh yeah, Hey, Tyler
(34:10):
Shuck making his debut.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
How about that?
Speaker 3 (34:13):
Here jumps some pressure, shucked out of the shotgun, throws
a jeep.
Speaker 6 (34:16):
Down the far sideline looking for a Lava who makes
the catch and Alava, We'll just slip toe down.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
The sideline into the end zone. Hard touchdown.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
Mike as WWL radio, the flas are station for the
New Orleans Saints. So, hey, you gotta win. Panthers beat
the Cowboys. Oh no, no, they beat the Green Bay
Packers the week before at Lambeau and then they lose
seventeen to seven at home to the Saints.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
Yeah, what's going on with the Pack?
Speaker 2 (34:45):
I really don't know. Uh the Pack? The Pack are
in a little bit of a bad way.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
Yes they are.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
Well, we gotta give some love, you know, I tell
you we'll do this on their sacks. We're up against it.
Seattle Sea Hawks look like they're good. They look really
I agree, really good.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
So Arnold Rams.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
Yeah, and those teams. The teams play each other.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
This week, the Seahawks and Rams. It's the greatest, all right,
we'll come back. We'll get to all that condom next
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