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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Spirit health text line Broncos Country tonight coming up to
the top of the hour at six o'clock and who's
goes to work in grants you very nice in Nick Erg.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
You and Nick Erg looking forward to that.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
Nick by the way, off to it, red hot, start here,
show me the money six and oh I tried chasing
last night.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Did not go so well, not well at all. He's
gonna have his highest ratings in months.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Well, it's gonna be more listenable than ever. But that's
I don't know if that always equates to listen to how.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
We're going for at that show.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
So well, I guess I don't know, because ratings sometimes
people assign that is to being a good show, but
that doesn't Yeah, sometimes you just have good ratings.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Andy Kaufman had good rings. Yeah, I see what you
did there. It's good.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Uh, starting faster, you know you brought up a point
in the first hour for the Broncos a way to
start faster. Some RPOs getting bon Nix more comfortable. Here
was Sean Payton, so he was and I brought this
stat yesterday.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
This is actually from.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
James Palmer about different I don't know if you saw
bo Nix's first three quarters versus fourth quarter.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Okay, we'll bring I'm assuming it's horrible compared to laughably absurd. Good.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Yes, yeah, you're spot on. Do you want to hear
the shatter? Yeah, I mean, you're not wrong. Fourth quarter.
Nicks's second in total yards. Yeah, no one has more
game winning drives.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Well, there's it's a four way tie thing. Yeah, any
one has more. You're right, no one has more. He's tied. Yes,
fourth quarter comebacks.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
He has more touchdowns, more first downs, and completions over
ten yards.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Yes, all in the fourth quarter. I would absolutely believe
all that. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
So his nine touchdowns, forty first downs, and has more
completions over ten yards than anybody else in the first
three quarters, though only cam Moore has a lower completion
percentage than Nicks at fifty nine point five, Dylan Gabriel
has only Dylan Gabriel has averaged fewer yards per attempt,
and only Geno Smith with ten Justin Herbert with seven
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have more interceptions than Nick.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
About right. Sounds about right, and it goes back.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
It's funny because you know at the beginning of the year,
when when he came out, he's like them. Both seems
to a little hot at the beginning of games, you know,
and you know it seems to we need to find
a way to settle him down.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Well, now we're ten games. Now everybody's on board with that.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
They were laughing at me and telling me I have
some downer or whatever at the time, but now everybody's yeah,
run run hing, put him on some put him on
some readoption stuff that necessarily necessarily pass plays. But put
him on some some zone read stuff with him and
the running back. You know, you can get back there.
They got to do that, they've done that would taste
the meal before. It's not like Sean didn't have it
in the playbook.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
So here's Sean on how he can make things maybe
easier for bow Nicks.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
It's not just it's not bo I mean, I think
it's part of the whole process offensively and constantly in
our game planning this week. Certainly opponents vary what they
do scheme wise. This this is a pressure team, you know,
and so our job each week, we're always looking to
find easy completions. You know, when we look at when
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I look at the touchdown reel on Mondays.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
I've said this to you before.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
Sometimes you look at a play and you just say player,
you know, he went up, made a great play. And
then sometimes someone's wide open and you click that button,
you say that and that was the scheme. And so
we're constantly looking at, you know, how can we find
you know, those throws that fit the scheme and the
defense here attack and obviously the penalties we've got a
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you know, we're doing a great job and not taking
sacks when we're all of a sudden, you know, first
and twenty that we've got to eliminate those.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Yeah, the penalties are you know, under the radar of
this entire conversation, there eighty three penalties, which is actually
tied for thirty first in the league, so they're their
last that that is a it is significant and it's
part of when you talk about the margins for the team.
It continues to have to be something that for blows
your mind with this coaching staff and in the amount
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of experience that this team has. But you know, I
think that his point is valid when there when he
says it's not just bow because he's right an fall.
Anything that's going on with the offense can't be specifically
points to one thing. But we tend to assign it's
to a quarterback because so much blame or praise tends
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to fall to.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
The feed of the quarterback. And so you know, they're
second in the league in drops.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Probably doesn't get talked about nearly as much as Boni's
being inaccurate. Now, this is inaccurate leading some drops is
going off the fingertips to me. Yeah, it's some of
that is.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
True, some of that is very true. But he's nails
for an entire quarter of football.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
He's the best quarterback, if not one of the best
quarterbacks an entire quarter of football. In fact, I to
argue the quarter that matters the most. But the thing
is is you don't get to do that, at least
in deep into the playoffs if you can't sort of
figure out some of those things.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
In other quarters. I think, doesn't this sound like a
conversation we had three years ago?
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Sometimes? Yes, yeah, with Russell Wilson at the times of
flat circle, then all circles are flat.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
You get the reference though two dimensional objects, yes, sphere
for I know that it's a if only Nick Pittsiletto
was capable of writing something original instead of ripping off
Legatti for everything it's a literary reference for you guys.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
You always have to feel like you're the smartest person
in the rooms. Now that I feel like I am.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
And it's from True Detective in case anybody wanted to
know the reference I look with.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
And it's it's it's frustrating because you want to sit
there deck.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
Why can't we just bottle up what they're doing in
the fourth its spread it out through the other quarters, right, which.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Which seems I mean, it's a bit reductive, but it's
not one thing.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
And our need to quantify and qualify everything and lay
blame at everything is sort of the problem.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
It's Sean Paytonsvill's Nixon fall. It's all of it. It's
all of it.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Sean is turtling with the play calling, and it's it's
hyper predictable because bo it runs hot at the beginning
of games and can't seem to you know, and can't
seem to get going, and then when he does get going,
you got receivers dropping balls. We saw that we had
him in Ingram on earlier. Ingram dropped an easy third
down completion early in the game of when Boys putting
back to the left, and you know he should have
caught that.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
So it's not just it's not any one thing.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
It's and that's the frustration level I think that you
hear for Sean Payton, it's a frustration level year, you know,
everybody else it's it's it's a lot of different things
that all contribute to the whole.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
So where do you start. That's the real questions, Like
what we start?
Speaker 3 (06:09):
What's the one thing that we check off the box
and we're perfect in that this week, and then we'll
add to that as we keep going, as we try
to get this.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Whole thing on track. Here was Joe Lombardi on getting
Bow into rhythm.
Speaker 5 (06:19):
You know, completions help get you in a rhythm, and
so finding completions early, you know, then everyone reacts to
it different way. And you know, I think we've seen
from Bo there have been you know, games where we've
struggled offensively early and then all of a sudden, he
finds a way to turn it on and you know,
do what we have to do in the fourth quarter
or the second half, or whenever we need it, whatever
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we need to win a game. He finds a way.
So he's resilient that way. You know, I think there's
a lot of belief that we'll find a way regardless
of how it starts. And it doesn't mean we want
to start slow. But it's funny listening to you know,
we got an LJ back he said when he was
with He's on the sideline when we were down against
New York and they were acting very confident. He was like, guys,
just you don't know what's going on over there. Those
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guys don't care. They're going to keep playing hard and
do not let up. Do not expect this thing to
be easy the whole way. So you know, LJ had
that feeling just being here last year, and so you know,
I think it's something that's real.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
I like that he shared that at the end because
that has become the signature of the team. I mean, well,
one way or the other, whether we think it's sustainable
or not. And by the way, I get this point
out a lot about the team being eight and two
and the seemingly coverage of the team's being overall negative.
I think part of the reason that it tends to
be that way is because and then this.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Is more local than national national.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
I think that they're always looking for reasons to bring
a team down or to tell a team that's not
going to be good enough unless you're the Chiefs, And
then it's like, who, by the way, are the Super
Bowl favorites today? Betting outs and yet they if the
playoffs started, they'd be out of it, right whatever, That's
a whole different conferences.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
The math is mathing right, right.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
But the thing is, I think the reason it matters
here locally is because they are good and people do
care and they want to see them improve, and they
seem like they're so close to being one of the
best teams in the NFL. Like I legitimately think that
because of this defense, because of the talent that they
do have.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
On the offense, and as well as the coaching staff.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
I think they have the three tiers to be one
of the best teams in the NFL, and I think
they have the talent to be able to make it
work even this year with everything being so wide open.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
I mean it really is. In the AFC.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
There is no Juggernauts, there is no The Buffalo Bills
are just truck sticking everybody. They just lost to the
Miami Dolphins for crying out loud, like teams are losing
boat headed games.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
They shouldn't.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
They have no business losing, and it is wide open
in the AFC right now. The Broncos could absolutely be
the best team in the AFC if they really wanted
to be. They're just but they got to clear these hurdles,
and unfortunately they keep doing the same thing. Now they're
doing the same thing and winning, but they keep doing
the same thing nevertheless.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
Well, and that's sort of my problem because all circles
back to me to coaching.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
If you're the coaching it, or you're allowing it to happen.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
If you're doing the same things and to get the
same results, that's on coaching. I love Sean Payton the
play designer. I hate Sean Payton the offensive coordinator. The
philosophy that they use offensively is archaic.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
The idea that you need to use.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
Incredibly for both play calls and switching personnality and you
in and out of replay. It's funny because somebody had
some graph the other day with the Broncos are average
in league personnel. They rotate it's the same eleven p
they just have different people running it every play.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
They rotate people out of every play and it slows
you down. It's just jointed.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Guys can't get in a rhythm. It takes time to
get to the huddle, and then the line of scrimmage.
You have less time to survey things. You're less confident
as a quarterback. It's all these things, and I just
that's part of the reason they have the fourth quarter success.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
When they're not.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
Able to do that, they have to go up Temple
because they're behind, and all of a sudden, look what
happens you experience success.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
And so that's where my frustration list.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
They do have the potential to be the best team
in the league, but they have something that's standing in
their way.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
And it's pretty obvious to me.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
Now, somebody said on the text line very quickly, he says,
ever since Ryan moved from BCT to k WE Sports,
he's been acting different, for real, for real. This is
why he's comrade Edwards. So I asked, Okay, well, how
am I acting different? Said, always teasing Ben for his
wet blanket when yours is at the very least damp.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
I'm I'm beaming with optimism.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
I opened the show saying, I think the Broncos are
gonna win this game, and I just talked about how
they could be the best team in the NFL, well,
at least the best team in the AFC.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Ben is the one that scoffed at me right off
the top of the show.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
And continues to pick against the Broncos as a bit
I say with air quotes.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
So, who's really the web blank here? Ryan, My damn Ryan.
We affectionately call him the human door. We don't. I
hate you so much for that. I don't even know.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
Like and again, by comparison, so Ben is a realist
and I am too optimistic. If I'm the realist and
Ben's negative, I guess if we're looking at spectrums.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
Here, we're both realists and we're just opposite sides of
the same coin. Just blew my mind times a flat circle.
See that's already you're so proud of yourself. Oh, there's
so much nerd happening right now.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
I think the text line, I think, yeah, somebody did
call us a nerd alert blanket. I think part of
the reason for the negative coverage of the Broncos is
recency bias. Even though we've had problems like this to
different degrees all year. It was a standalone game, and
it was probably the worst game the offense played this year,
just in my opinion. No, I mean, I think you're
absolutely right, especially being in prime time as a standalone game.
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You're absolutely right coming off the Thursday night game. And
I even said that right after, I was like, I
almost don't care what the national narrative after this game is.
It's gonna be a negative one. You're supposed to drum
the Tonight's it's one of the thirteen and a half
points right now for the Patriots over the Jets, like
they're supposed to drum the Jets.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
But it's a division game.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
Who knows, right, you know, And I generally think the
Patriots are gonna win handily tonight and BRONC goes.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
I guess, I guess should have won handily, but they
did it. But what's important is they did win. And
I did say right after that we gets to late
December in January, who cares about the style points when
it comes to wins and losses, All you care about
is the win.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Yeah, And that's fair.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
It's like I always say, you know, in the preseason,
this is the regular seas, I don't think it matters
to dub you know, in the regular season, it's just
the question I think is a sustainability question, is people
see this team poised for, you know, what are we
poised for at this point?
Speaker 2 (12:42):
And I think that's what they want to want to answer.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
And you know, it was by far the worst offensive
game the Broncos have played this yet. Of course, you know,
I think the second worst was the London game, which
was also a standalone game which people saw and so
people's lingering opinions. Oh and by the way, their third
worst game was probably the Texans game the week before.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
So you've got two primetime games and.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
Two back to back games reinforcing you know, kind of
a thought process that hey, this this offense isn't all
that good, and especially because it was against the Raiders,
who either way, their defense is better than people think
it is.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
All right, the Raiders. I'd never like to give the
Raiders props. Raiders defense is better.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
Than people people think it is, so, you know, I
think I think that's the other.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Part of this is as the Raiders, you should beat
up on them.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
Well, the Raiders defense is not as bad as people think,
and they've gotten some pieces back and they're they're you know,
Pete Carroll's got that defense.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Doing thole on the offense stinks, but the defense is
not bad. Plus motivated and play a division rival and
ruin things for them.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
On a short week, all that kind of stuff. So
I I you know, we'll see.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
I mean, this Kansas City game I think is going
to be a lipus test in a lot of ways.
I'll say this though, I haint the pressures on Kansas
City in this game because if the Broncos lose, you're
eight and three, You're still you're still sitting there, probably
gonna make the playoffs, You're still ahead of your division
rivals for the division. Kansas City loses this game, they're
out of.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
It for the division. They're a wildcard only team. If that.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
Paul de Pedesta, who was introduced today to the local
media along with Walker Montfort and Dick Montforts, we're gonna
have an exclusive one on one interview with Jack Corgan
Voice the Rockies. He sat down for a nice five
minute interview with Paul Dee Paedesta. We're gonna bring that
full interview coming up at five thirty tonight, so you
want to tune in for that. I thought he had
a lot of really great things to say. I thought
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the vibe of it all together. Now again, the practice
on the field and getting it actually implemented.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
That's going to be the challenge, and that's the task
at hand.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
But there were some good vibes, there were some good
things that were said, and I at least love that
they went outside the organization to try to find a
solution this time, versus saying, well, let's just promote somebody
from within. It's been here for twenty years. It's got
to work this time, right, this is the time. This
is the one right here. So interesting SAT that dan
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Orlatsky tweeted out right before our show started, most first
and third down sat this season.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
I'm sure you.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
Saw the stat it's I haven't, but I know it's
Denver and I know number two is Atlanta. That's correct.
But do you know how far apart Denver and Atlanta
are ten sacks?
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Maybe thirteen? Oh wow?
Speaker 1 (15:14):
Okay, Yeah, the Broncos have thirty five, which leads the
NFL with most first and third down sacks this season,
and the Falcons are at twenty two. And of course
we know the Broncos lead the league in sacks with
forty six so far.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Interesting one of the Chiefs a lot of twenty.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
Yeah, that's where most I mean, and their sacks come
in those those situations. Say, you know, Spax gets the
sacks when it's obvious situations. The question I think it's
for me is when you get sacks in non obvious situations,
you know as far as that goes, which the Broncos
are also leading in. This was something I went down
the rabbit hole. That's how I knew that I went
down the rabbit hole in this the other day. The
second down or the non obvious, non obvious passed down
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the sack statistics. So the Broncos are taking advantage of
opportunities when they're presented, but they're also getting sacks and
opportunities when it doesn't seem obvious. When you watch that
game the other day with the Bills and the Chiefs
and Patrick Mahomes who again fifteen for thirty four had
a forty four percent completion rate.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
There at first NFL game below fifty percent completion.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Three sacks, no passing, touchdowns and interception in the game.
He looks, I know, for lack of a better word,
rattled at times. And the Bills defense has been getting
a lot of criticism, especially coming into that game. There
are a lot of people that include myself, there was like, okay,
well the weak link of this team is clearly their defense.
But it was the defense that kind of carried the day.
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I mean that in the run game for the Buffalo Bills.
So I know, coming away from that, you said earlier,
as you scoffed at me that they don't play similar
styles of football. I agree with you on that, but
there is a pattern or a blueprint for how the
Broncos might be able to replicate some of the things
that Buffalo Bills did well.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
Well, if you look at mahomes two worst games this year,
it's against the same thing I told when when Davis here,
it's you know, anybody that runs teams that run cover four,
you know four six or run cover two tend to
limit or slow down.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
Patrick Mahomes a little bit. You look at that.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
I mean, Buffalo's has its roots in the cover two
and then you got Vic of course known for quarters
match and I'll run some C six and combo coverages
and all that kind of stuff. But I mean, you know,
those those types, those base defenses tend to have the
most success slow and down pat Mahomes because they rely
on him to stay patient, take to what they give
you do and Mahomes doesn't want to do that. Mahomes
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wants to you know, he'll do that for a little
while and then he wants to take shots. And those
types defenses limited limit when you're able to do that.
So the Broncos run a counter on an almost completely
different style of defense, and they're going to have to
find ways to either show too high and then rotate down,
or show one high and rotate out to two, which
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is which is something that they don't normally do in
an effort to kind of stymy Mahomes.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
I was listening to a breakdown on Mina Kayn's podcast
about this game, and she said that if the Broncos
had passed Tan, she would feel a lot better about
picking the Broncos, but because they don't have pats Ertan,
she's leaning Chiefs in this game though though that player
is quite literally the difference for her. And you know, again,
everybody's going to have their different way that they break
this thing down. And some people will say, well, Bonix
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is too much of a liability, or know JK. Dobbins
is the you know, whatever reason why you want to pick,
to choose whatever team you're gonna choose here. I actually
think the last two weeks playing without Patzertan leading up
to this specific challenge, because you're not facing Davis Mills,
you're not facing Gino Smith, you're facing Patrick Mahomes, and
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getting those reps on the field together in the secondary,
I think is.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
Very important for this matchup. I agree with you, I
do well hardly agree with you. Actually, I hate I
hate Mina Kimes is premise there because it gives you
leeway both ways. It's one of those things where you
get to pick a hypothetical that can't be disapproven and
then you get to play both sides of this well
of Broncos fans. I would have picked you except that
you were missing this you know this player over here, which,
by the way, I would say Dobbins would be the
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one that would more for frustrate me than Cirtan given
the Broncos defense's performance without Certan, even though Sirtan is
a great player.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
That's said, I agree with you.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
I mean, I think having Aram's drain and those guys
out there and get a chance to get used to
each other, I think the question isn't how much they're
going to miss r Tan. I think the question is
how much a're going miss Ertan and Singleton. Whatever you
think of Singleton going away from the ball, he's worn
the green dot. He's been the guy that got everybody
lined up. You know, he does a lot of things
for you. It's got to be interesting to see what
this defense looks like without two major pieces missing as well.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Yeah, Singleton one might be the bigger deal, even though
I don't think a lot of people want to admit
to it.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Right, Really, Sotain's a better player.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
But what Singleton does and has been, you know, and
he's just he just doesn't miss games.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
Well. VJ pointed it out dur his press conference today
that he had made a mistake, like VJ said, I
made a mistake in a play call and Alex got
us in the right position, right, And that is like
a low key massive gal field for a guy that
right exactly. Now, whatever you think about him athletically or
what he brings as far as the high end that
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you're looking for the inside linebacker, that's a different discussion.
His brain, his mind certainly is a big deal. And
so for instinctually, what kind of a hit are you
taking there at the inside linebacker position for the knowledge
of the defense, you know, Dave said he thought that
Drake Greenlaw might make the most sense there for the dot.
I think I'm probably more Brandon Jones on this side
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of things.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
We'll see what they do.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
I guess even ster Nod would be a conversation considering
that he also has a lot of familiarity of the defense.
So I'm trying to remember who got the green dot
was Was it a Barton that got.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
It last year?
Speaker 1 (20:34):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Okay, did it last year? I I don't know.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
I'm with Dave on the because, like when Dave says,
I'm a football traditionals, if you're the safety and you're
try to get everybody lined up, you really got to
project that voice down there out front, you know, to
those to those guys down front, and if your defense
is on the field, it tends to be pretty loud
in a home environment, so it's tough to do that,
which means you've got to come up and do those
kinds of things. So you know, a box safety doesn't
isn't a bad idea, but there's there's tricks to that
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like he has to if he's going to be especially
at a high position, he's got to be down front
and then bail out to get back to his position
after he's online everybody up or you know all that
kind of stuff. So there is something to having a
linebacker do that, especially at home where it's going to
be very loud while your defense is on the field,
versus on the road, where it's a little bit different.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
It's actually be quiet while your defense on the field.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
A couple of texts here on our Kway Common Spirit
Hill text line five six six nine zero. Bin is Worthyes,
injuries serious Kimbo with an ankle today?
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Yeah, no, okay, no, he's on the reports. Is just angry.
He's gonna he's going to play.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
He's there, he's going to be a go Okay, so
I was limited today.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
I believe limited today. Yeah, he's he's going to be
fine though. Okay, probably more of a fancy question here.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
Oh yeah, just start with I mean against against the
Broncos defense.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
So yeah, you know, take your pick your poison there.
But it's a weird.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Deal because when Racy Rice came back, now that if
you're worthy, had a massive role he'll have everything walk
to the game where he's he's a big time contributor.
I think they had a big plan for him earlier
in the season, then they got hurt with that friendly
fire shot with Travis Kelcey. But then when Racie Rice
came back, the entire offense seems to kind of focal
point around him.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Now, my question on that is.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
The Broncos haven't done a pretty decent job generally speaking.
I'm not saying you're gonna shut down Racie Rice because
of the way they utilize him, But when there's like
a guy that is like the singular focus of the team,
so like Brock Powers last week, Jake Ferguson was one
of those guys. I mean he was leading the league
at tight ends for catches and touchdowns. They have shown
the ability when hey, we'll put our eggs in the
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basket of saying this is the guy that's not beating us.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
Well, yeah, if the Broncos.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Defense literally says we're gonna make it very tough for
you to complete passes and do much with Rachie Rice,
is that gonna be enough?
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Well, I mean yes and no. I mean the Broncos have.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
Advance comes from the Belichick philosophy, we're going to take
away the thing you do best and force you to
be us with other things.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
They did that with A J. Brown.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
I mean, DeVante got eight catches for one hundred and
fourteen on and fifty of those came on one play. They
did that against the Bengals where they took away you know,
Jamar Chase, but then they got you know, t Higgs
going in that game.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
I think, well, he almost had a really big game,
but then one of his catches was called back. But yes,
I mean he right, he was. We wondered whether it
wo'd be like a CD and George Pickens. They both
had like seven catches each, but then either of them gashed.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
You. Yeah, they're like seventy some yards each. Philosophically, they
want to take away what you do best to do that.
So the question is what do you do best?
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Is that? Is that? Where she is that Travis Kelsey?
You know?
Speaker 3 (23:24):
And that's been the problem I think in defending Kansasites,
because they do so many.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Things well as much as we're loath to admit it.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
And so for me, I think I think you kind
of look at this and say, Okay, let's let's look
at this a little bit differently. What is it that
everybody else is having is doing that's causing them to
be to slow him down, and that is forcing him
to take what's in front of him, all right, And
then the other side of that is, okay, well, if
they do a lot of things, well, then we can't
take one thing away. Let's take away the distributor of that.
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So to me, that means firing up the pass rush
and sending things at Pat Mahomes.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
It means it.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
Means showing a too high coverage or maybe being in
a too high shell with maybe a man underneath, and
throwing everything else you can in as many rotations as
you can as Pat Mahomes, because if you can't stop
the individual matchups, then you need to stop the distributor
of the ball to those matchups, right. Well, and the
idea is, and you saw this, we went Buffalo, they
sent four and they had a lot of success. They're
getting home with four if you can get home with
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four and five and then do it. And the Broncos
have been one of the best teams in the league
doing that. Now, getting it kneed JFM and he came
up with a back injury today.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
Hopefully that that ends up being not a big deal.
But you've been able to get home with four a
lot this year. And I do think that the one
benefit of playing the Chiefs is you know, they really
aren't going to beat you with the run. You know,
Like I'm not saying they're one dimensional, because Patrick Mahomes
can be the run game, so you have to pay
attention to that. But like ween you're playing, for example,
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the Bills, and I know that's kind of a weird
year for Josh Allen, but just go with me on it.
You got to guard against James Cook. You gotta getainst
guardians him. Ros scrambling and the passing game can be lethal.
Like all three of those things can really beat you
with the Chiefs. And I'm not trying to discredit them
because they're when they when they want to be. Kareem
Hunt isn't gonna freak me out, like like he's a
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powerful running back and he certainly does a great job
after contact, but he's not a burner.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
He's not good.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Now now they got Brashard Smith, I will say that,
but they don't use him. That's the Taptually are you
watching in these games, you're like, hey, man, your fastest,
most dynamic running back, you barely use.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
Right, that's not how they run the ball. They run
the ball to put themselves in manageable positions. Sure like
you always run it on first down and to get
four or five, you know, hoping you get four or
five put yourself for two shots at a first down,
or you if you missed the pass on first down.
They'll run it on second down in an effort to
put themselves in third manageable and then they run assaulted away.
They run short yardag stuff if they need short yardage
or you know, goal line. But they don't run the
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ball to run the ball.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
They just don't.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
But that's my points, like you're not guarding against this
like jabberwockie of of Hey, you got the running game
and you got the passing game. The biggest thing, and
VJ talked about quite a bit today was it's it's
it's the second play. It's the third version of the play. Right,
It's not the it's called what's called you generally probably
have a plan for. It's what they do improvisationally after
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the fact, and you got a plaster that's the biggest deal.
And that I'm not telling any people that they don't
know about the Kansas City Chiefs. I'm just saying, when
you're preparing for this game without Isaiah Pacheco, which I
did think gave them a little bit of that bump
in the run game, I'm kind of selling out on
everything else. Like at this point, I'm like, Hey, if
Kareem Hunt riffs off of twenty yarder, hey good for you, man.
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We have guys that can catch up to you. I'm
not worried about Kareem Hunt busting one for fifty yards.
It's probably not gonna happen in this game. The bigger
deal here is letting Patrick Mahomes escape. And so when
you're talking about getting home with four, it's like you
just can't give those you can't over rush.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
You kind of have to mush rush a little bit.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
Vance's experience with that, I mean Vance, it was up
against Advance was the first person to try he got
out of his one high went too high against Mahomes
back in the day when he was a head coach here.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
So we've seen that.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Now.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
They didn't win those games, but they put together the
best defensive performances to that date. Up against Mahomes Delfangio,
you know sort of, I would they solved it, but
showed what you have to do. Yeah, I think so.
I think the main thing to keep your eye on
is scrambled to rules. So kansasdate Ha is different scrambled
to rules and just better. But I think everybody knows
they're played a game. If your north gets south, if
you're south, get north, right. Kansady to do that with
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their scrambled ril stuff. They got one guy who's dedicated
to get north every play, and one guy who's dedicated
to come across the field horizontally every play.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
And so there's.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
Scrambled rules are a little different, and if you can
kind of figure that out, then you go all right, Well,
when the play busts down, this is how I need
to get sticky with this guy instead of the way
you normally would with Oh he's vertical, he's going back
for the ball, or.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
He's short, he's going deep.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
A couple more texts here five six six nine zero
is little Jo and Humphrey and upgrade over Trent Sherfield.
I haven't heard his name called much this year, but
I know the team brought him in primarily to be
a blocking wide receiver because he is a team first guy.
What would your letter grade evaluation of Surefield be? So
far this year, A few times I've noticed him blocking,
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he seemed to do quite well.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
Well, that's the thing.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
So treasure Field is contributions have been obviously in special
teams and he's been a blocking wide receiver. He's only
got like three catches, yeah, on the year, so one
first down all year.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
He is not a guy that's that's you know, he's
mostly a special teams guy.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
And then you know they have him out there to
block on some stuff. So I mean, letter grade, I
don't know.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
You know, we watched him in training camp and I
think we all kind of got excited about maybe just
this extra fifth wide receiver option for the off passing offense.
And then as the seasons weren't on, you barely even
involved in Evan Ingram even as much as we all thought,
at least I thought would be the case.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
So there's that's what happens, right.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
You see in training camp, okay, that there's a heavy
utilization of a player, like we're coming in reporting what
we're seeing, Hey man, trishure Field's getting targeted a lot.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
Evan Ingram is getting targeted a lot, and then.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
You get to the season and well, those things don't
necessarily always happen the way that we saw, at least
at that time.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
Surefield has one hundred fewer snaps than Pat Bryant this year.
To put that in perspective, me, sure Frenchurefield has as
many snaps on the field as Nate Atkins for the season,
you know, and he's been out for a few games.
He's just not I mean, Sheffield's in on half the
special team snaps for the year, but he's only had
one hundred and sixty three total snaps of offense this
entire season. To put that in perspective, uh, you know,
Cortland Sutton has five hundred and eighty six you know,
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like there's you know, the bow has been on six
hundred and sixty five plays, like Treashurefield's been in on
twenty percent of the snaps. So it's it's really not
that that's a non factor.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
So is el is little Jem Humphrey gonna be up
over Mercedes Lewis.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
That's kind of what I'm wondering.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
I would I would suspect, So that's my guess because
Lewis was a liability in that Raiders game of Flags
Get two and you know, I mean it was it
was a bit faalse starts.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Yeahah, it was a bit of a liability.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
Well you had a hole too that either did you
have a qualified or did you know whatever remember the
two falls start, maybe an offsetting or something like that,
but he had he had a couple of He was
a liability to that game. And I mean, with all
due respect because it was a feel good story. You
keep him around a couple more weeks to see if
the RUSS comes off. If not, then what are we
doing here? You know, I and I would expect a
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little Jordan Humphrey to be up this game. Like what
everything I was told was that they were bringing him
in to play this game.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
Well, his agent even confirmed that. Okay, it's his agent.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
To Mike Cliss said yeah, he's he's signed with the
practice squad and he's playing this weekend.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
Okay, there you go. So again, familiarity with the offense helps.
He already knows Yeah, he already knows the offense. You
know this is there's not really an aclamatization.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
So it's not like he went here last year, you know,
so he knows what's going on with all that. He's
in there to be and this is you should kind
of tip the hand a little bit. I mean, you
know why little Jordan Humphrey's here. You know what they're
gonna do. You know what the game plan is. If
they're bringing him, you know what the game plan is.
We're running a lot of screens. He's gonna be out
there for screens.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
Well, so this is an interesting thing that I wanted to
maybe talk to you about that a little more on
the other side. But Marvin min Is being back. It's
a really big deal for this offense, I think so.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
I mean, he is by far your most athletic player,
and hopefully some of the targets that have been going
to Troy Franklin will.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
Go to him. I believe so.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
Watching the way they use Khalil Shakir in this last
game for the Buffalo Bills versus the Kansa City Chiefs,
I basically said, I think they could do everything they
were doing with Kali Shakhir. They were doing a lot
of short, intermediate stuff. They weren't doing the deep stuff
with Khalil Shaker versus the Chiefs, and they're usually him
more to neutralize some of that pass rush for the
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Chiefs and to get the ball out of Josh Allen's
hands as fast as possible. But there's a lot of screens,
there's shallow crosses, there were stuff that he could get
his speed.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Going and get upfield.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
And one of the things that really impressed me the most,
and this is why I thought about little Jordan Humphrey,
is the receiver blocking and the tied end blocking, especially downfield,
was very, very good in this game.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
The Buffalo Bills like they do a great job.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
And the reason why their run game is the way
it is is because these guys understand it. And whether
it's going to be James Cook or it's gonna be
Josh Allen running it, there's a mindset that they've all
bought into. Once they get a sense that Josh is
gonna run, they turn around and they start blocking, and
those usually turn into some big runs. So whether that's
Bo Nixon gets an opportunity to that or Argie Harvey
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or in this case Marvin Mims, whether you're channing him
off or you're just getting him short quick passes to
supplement the run game, a bit.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
I think he's gonna have a really big role this week. Well,
that Buffalo thing is by design.
Speaker 3 (32:13):
You notice how much of Buffalo's offense goes left to
right or right to left instead of north to south right.
That's because when you're flashing your numbers back the quarterback,
your eyes are.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
Back there too. You can see when they take off
and you can turn around a block.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
If your back is to the quarterback and you're on
a vertical route, you're not gonna be able to know,
you know, when that's happening, unless there's a roar of
the crowd, which you got to peek back and you know,
kind of do that because so there's designs to that too.
That's not really built into what we do, but it
would be nice.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
I do, I do agree with you. I do believe
mim is gonna have a big day.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
I think, you know, if you're betting on anybody but
Marvin Mims, to have a big day is probably necessary,
I think to.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
Beating the Chiefs. Look at us agreeing on something. You know,
just feel good?
Speaker 3 (32:50):
Do you feel dirty? Do you feel ashamed? I feel
like I need to take a shower.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Aided you into it a little bit.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
I don't because I argued both sides and you really
had nowhere else to go. But I'll take it. I'll
he could have it's a dub. I could have gone
somewhere else. Don't challenge me. Okay, all right, we'll come back.
I do want to talk a little about J.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
Harvey. We'll get into that a little bit.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
Also again, coming up at five point thirty tonight, Paul
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the top of the hour at six o'clock and who's
goes to work in grants you very nice in Nick Erg.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
You and Nick Erg looking forward to that.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
Nick by the way, off to it, red hot, start here,
show me the money six and oh I tried chasing
last night.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Did not go so well, not well at all. He's
gonna have his highest ratings in months.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Well, it's gonna be more listenable than ever. But that's
I don't know if that always equates to listen to how.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
We're going for at that show.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
So well, I guess I don't know, because ratings sometimes
people assign that is to being a good show, but
that doesn't Yeah, sometimes you just have good ratings.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Andy Kaufman had good rings. Yeah, I see what you
did there. It's good.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Uh, starting faster, you know you brought up a point
in the first hour for the Broncos a way to
start faster. Some RPOs getting bon Nix more comfortable. Here
was Sean Payton, so he was and I brought this
stat yesterday.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
This is actually from.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
James Palmer about different I don't know if you saw
bo Nix's first three quarters versus fourth quarter.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
Okay, we'll bring I'm assuming it's horrible compared to laughably absurd. Good.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Yes, yeah, you're spot on. Do you want to hear
the shatter? Yeah, I mean, you're not wrong. Fourth quarter.
Nicks's second in total yards. Yeah, no one has more
game winning drives.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Well, there's it's a four way tie thing. Yeah, any
one has more. You're right, no one has more. He's tied. Yes,
fourth quarter comebacks.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
He has more touchdowns, more first downs, and completions over
ten yards.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Yes, all in the fourth quarter. I would absolutely believe
all that. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
So his nine touchdowns, forty first downs, and has more
completions over ten yards than anybody else in the first
three quarters, though only cam Moore has a lower completion
percentage than Nicks at fifty nine point five, Dylan Gabriel
has only Dylan Gabriel has averaged fewer yards per attempt,
and only Geno Smith with ten Justin Herbert with seven
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have more interceptions than Nick.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
About right. Sounds about right, and it goes back.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
It's funny because you know at the beginning of the year,
when when he came out, he's like them. Both seems
to a little hot at the beginning of games, you know,
and you know it seems to we need to find
a way to settle him down.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Well, now we're ten games. Now everybody's on board with that.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
They were laughing at me and telling me I have
some downer or whatever at the time, but now everybody's yeah,
run run hing, put him on some put him on
some readoption stuff that necessarily necessarily pass plays. But put
him on some some zone read stuff with him and
the running back. You know, you can get back there.
They got to do that, they've done that would taste
the meal before. It's not like Sean didn't have it
in the playbook.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
So here's Sean on how he can make things maybe
easier for bow Nicks.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
It's not just it's not bo I mean, I think
it's part of the whole process offensively and constantly in
our game planning this week. Certainly opponents vary what they
do scheme wise. This this is a pressure team, you know,
and so our job each week, we're always looking to
find easy completions. You know, when we look at when
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I look at the touchdown reel on Mondays.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
I've said this to you before.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
Sometimes you look at a play and you just say player,
you know, he went up, made a great play. And
then sometimes someone's wide open and you click that button,
you say that and that was the scheme. And so
we're constantly looking at, you know, how can we find
you know, those throws that fit the scheme and the
defense here attack and obviously the penalties we've got a
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you know, we're doing a great job and not taking
sacks when we're all of a sudden, you know, first
and twenty that we've got to eliminate those.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Yeah, the penalties are you know, under the radar of
this entire conversation, there eighty three penalties, which is actually
tied for thirty first in the league, so they're their
last that that is a it is significant and it's
part of when you talk about the margins for the team.
It continues to have to be something that for blows
your mind with this coaching staff and in the amount
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of experience that this team has. But you know, I
think that his point is valid when there when he
says it's not just bow because he's right an fall.
Anything that's going on with the offense can't be specifically
points to one thing. But we tend to assign it's
to a quarterback because so much blame or praise tends
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to fall to.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
The feed of the quarterback. And so you know, they're
second in the league in drops.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Probably doesn't get talked about nearly as much as Boni's
being inaccurate. Now, this is inaccurate leading some drops is
going off the fingertips to me. Yeah, it's some of
that is.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
True, some of that is very true. But he's nails
for an entire quarter of football.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
He's the best quarterback, if not one of the best
quarterbacks an entire quarter of football. In fact, I to
argue the quarter that matters the most. But the thing
is is you don't get to do that, at least
in deep into the playoffs if you can't sort of
figure out some of those things.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
In other quarters. I think, doesn't this sound like a
conversation we had three years ago?
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Sometimes? Yes, yeah, with Russell Wilson at the times of
flat circle, then all circles are flat.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
You get the reference though two dimensional objects, yes, sphere
for I know that it's a if only Nick Pittsiletto
was capable of writing something original instead of ripping off
Legatti for everything it's a literary reference for you guys.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
You always have to feel like you're the smartest person
in the rooms. Now that I feel like I am.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
And it's from True Detective in case anybody wanted to
know the reference I look with.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
And it's it's it's frustrating because you want to sit
there deck.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
Why can't we just bottle up what they're doing in
the fourth its spread it out through the other quarters, right, which.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Which seems I mean, it's a bit reductive, but it's
not one thing.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
And our need to quantify and qualify everything and lay
blame at everything is sort of the problem.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
It's Sean Paytonsvill's Nixon fall. It's all of it. It's
all of it.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Sean is turtling with the play calling, and it's it's
hyper predictable because bo it runs hot at the beginning
of games and can't seem to you know, and can't
seem to get going, and then when he does get going,
you got receivers dropping balls. We saw that we had
him in Ingram on earlier. Ingram dropped an easy third
down completion early in the game of when Boys putting
back to the left, and you know he should have
caught that.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
So it's not just it's not any one thing.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
It's and that's the frustration level I think that you
hear for Sean Payton, it's a frustration level year, you know,
everybody else it's it's it's a lot of different things
that all contribute to the whole.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
So where do you start. That's the real questions, Like
what we start?
Speaker 3 (06:09):
What's the one thing that we check off the box
and we're perfect in that this week, and then we'll
add to that as we keep going, as we try
to get this.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Whole thing on track. Here was Joe Lombardi on getting
Bow into rhythm.
Speaker 5 (06:19):
You know, completions help get you in a rhythm, and
so finding completions early, you know, then everyone reacts to
it different way. And you know, I think we've seen
from Bo there have been you know, games where we've
struggled offensively early and then all of a sudden, he
finds a way to turn it on and you know,
do what we have to do in the fourth quarter
or the second half, or whenever we need it, whatever
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we need to win a game. He finds a way.
So he's resilient that way. You know, I think there's
a lot of belief that we'll find a way regardless
of how it starts. And it doesn't mean we want
to start slow. But it's funny listening to you know,
we got an LJ back he said when he was
with He's on the sideline when we were down against
New York and they were acting very confident. He was like, guys,
just you don't know what's going on over there. Those
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guys don't care. They're going to keep playing hard and
do not let up. Do not expect this thing to
be easy the whole way. So you know, LJ had
that feeling just being here last year, and so you know,
I think it's something that's real.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
I like that he shared that at the end because
that has become the signature of the team. I mean, well,
one way or the other, whether we think it's sustainable
or not. And by the way, I get this point
out a lot about the team being eight and two
and the seemingly coverage of the team's being overall negative.
I think part of the reason that it tends to
be that way is because and then this.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Is more local than national national.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
I think that they're always looking for reasons to bring
a team down or to tell a team that's not
going to be good enough unless you're the Chiefs, And
then it's like, who, by the way, are the Super
Bowl favorites today? Betting outs and yet they if the
playoffs started, they'd be out of it, right whatever, That's
a whole different conferences.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
The math is mathing right, right.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
But the thing is, I think the reason it matters
here locally is because they are good and people do
care and they want to see them improve, and they
seem like they're so close to being one of the
best teams in the NFL. Like I legitimately think that
because of this defense, because of the talent that they
do have.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
On the offense, and as well as the coaching staff.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
I think they have the three tiers to be one
of the best teams in the NFL, and I think
they have the talent to be able to make it
work even this year with everything being so wide open.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
I mean it really is. In the AFC.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
There is no Juggernauts, there is no The Buffalo Bills
are just truck sticking everybody. They just lost to the
Miami Dolphins for crying out loud, like teams are losing
boat headed games.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
They shouldn't.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
They have no business losing, and it is wide open
in the AFC right now. The Broncos could absolutely be
the best team in the AFC if they really wanted
to be. They're just but they got to clear these hurdles,
and unfortunately they keep doing the same thing. Now they're
doing the same thing and winning, but they keep doing
the same thing nevertheless.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
Well, and that's sort of my problem because all circles
back to me to coaching.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
If you're the coaching it, or you're allowing it to happen.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
If you're doing the same things and to get the
same results, that's on coaching. I love Sean Payton the
play designer. I hate Sean Payton the offensive coordinator. The
philosophy that they use offensively is archaic.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
The idea that you need to use.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
Incredibly for both play calls and switching personnality and you
in and out of replay. It's funny because somebody had
some graph the other day with the Broncos are average
in league personnel. They rotate it's the same eleven p
they just have different people running it every play.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
They rotate people out of every play and it slows
you down. It's just jointed.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
Guys can't get in a rhythm. It takes time to
get to the huddle, and then the line of scrimmage.
You have less time to survey things. You're less confident
as a quarterback. It's all these things, and I just
that's part of the reason they have the fourth quarter success.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
When they're not.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
Able to do that, they have to go up Temple
because they're behind, and all of a sudden, look what
happens you experience success.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
And so that's where my frustration list.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
They do have the potential to be the best team
in the league, but they have something that's standing in
their way.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
And it's pretty obvious to me.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
Now, somebody said on the text line very quickly, he says,
ever since Ryan moved from BCT to k WE Sports,
he's been acting different, for real, for real. This is
why he's comrade Edwards. So I asked, Okay, well, how
am I acting different? Said, always teasing Ben for his
wet blanket when yours is at the very least damp.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
I'm I'm beaming with optimism.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
I opened the show saying, I think the Broncos are
gonna win this game, and I just talked about how
they could be the best team in the NFL, well,
at least the best team in the AFC.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Ben is the one that scoffed at me right off
the top of the show.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
And continues to pick against the Broncos as a bit
I say with air quotes.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
So, who's really the web blank here? Ryan, My damn Ryan.
We affectionately call him the human door. We don't. I
hate you so much for that. I don't even know.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
Like and again, by comparison, so Ben is a realist
and I am too optimistic. If I'm the realist and
Ben's negative, I guess if we're looking at spectrums.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
Here, we're both realists and we're just opposite sides of
the same coin. Just blew my mind times a flat circle.
See that's already you're so proud of yourself. Oh, there's
so much nerd happening right now.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
I think the text line, I think, yeah, somebody did
call us a nerd alert blanket. I think part of
the reason for the negative coverage of the Broncos is
recency bias. Even though we've had problems like this to
different degrees all year. It was a standalone game, and
it was probably the worst game the offense played this year,
just in my opinion. No, I mean, I think you're
absolutely right, especially being in prime time as a standalone game.
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You're absolutely right coming off the Thursday night game. And
I even said that right after, I was like, I
almost don't care what the national narrative after this game is.
It's gonna be a negative one. You're supposed to drum
the Tonight's it's one of the thirteen and a half
points right now for the Patriots over the Jets, like
they're supposed to drum the Jets.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
But it's a division game.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
Who knows, right, you know, And I generally think the
Patriots are gonna win handily tonight and BRONC goes.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
I guess, I guess should have won handily, but they
did it. But what's important is they did win. And
I did say right after that we gets to late
December in January, who cares about the style points when
it comes to wins and losses, All you care about
is the win.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Yeah, And that's fair.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
It's like I always say, you know, in the preseason,
this is the regular seas, I don't think it matters
to dub you know, in the regular season, it's just
the question I think is a sustainability question, is people
see this team poised for, you know, what are we
poised for at this point?
Speaker 2 (12:42):
And I think that's what they want to want to answer.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
And you know, it was by far the worst offensive
game the Broncos have played this yet. Of course, you know,
I think the second worst was the London game, which
was also a standalone game which people saw and so
people's lingering opinions. Oh and by the way, their third
worst game was probably the Texans game the week before.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
So you've got two primetime games and.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
Two back to back games reinforcing you know, kind of
a thought process that hey, this this offense isn't all
that good, and especially because it was against the Raiders,
who either way, their defense is better than people think
it is.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
All right, the Raiders. I'd never like to give the
Raiders props. Raiders defense is better.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
Than people people think it is, so, you know, I
think I think that's the other.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Part of this is as the Raiders, you should beat
up on them.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
Well, the Raiders defense is not as bad as people think,
and they've gotten some pieces back and they're they're you know,
Pete Carroll's got that defense.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Doing thole on the offense stinks, but the defense is
not bad. Plus motivated and play a division rival and
ruin things for them.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
On a short week, all that kind of stuff. So
I I you know, we'll see.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
I mean, this Kansas City game I think is going
to be a lipus test in a lot of ways.
I'll say this though, I haint the pressures on Kansas
City in this game because if the Broncos lose, you're
eight and three, You're still you're still sitting there, probably
gonna make the playoffs, You're still ahead of your division
rivals for the division. Kansas City loses this game, they're
out of.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
It for the division. They're a wildcard only team. If that.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
Paul de Pedesta, who was introduced today to the local
media along with Walker Montfort and Dick Montforts, we're gonna
have an exclusive one on one interview with Jack Corgan
Voice the Rockies. He sat down for a nice five
minute interview with Paul Dee Paedesta. We're gonna bring that
full interview coming up at five thirty tonight, so you
want to tune in for that. I thought he had
a lot of really great things to say. I thought
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the vibe of it all together. Now again, the practice
on the field and getting it actually implemented.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
That's going to be the challenge, and that's the task
at hand.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
But there were some good vibes, there were some good
things that were said, and I at least love that
they went outside the organization to try to find a
solution this time, versus saying, well, let's just promote somebody
from within. It's been here for twenty years. It's got
to work this time, right, this is the time. This
is the one right here. So interesting SAT that dan
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Orlatsky tweeted out right before our show started, most first
and third down sat this season.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
I'm sure you.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
Saw the stat it's I haven't, but I know it's
Denver and I know number two is Atlanta. That's correct.
But do you know how far apart Denver and Atlanta
are ten sacks?
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Maybe thirteen? Oh wow?
Speaker 1 (15:14):
Okay, Yeah, the Broncos have thirty five, which leads the
NFL with most first and third down sacks this season,
and the Falcons are at twenty two. And of course
we know the Broncos lead the league in sacks with
forty six so far.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Interesting one of the Chiefs a lot of twenty.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
Yeah, that's where most I mean, and their sacks come
in those those situations. Say, you know, Spax gets the
sacks when it's obvious situations. The question I think it's
for me is when you get sacks in non obvious situations,
you know as far as that goes, which the Broncos
are also leading in. This was something I went down
the rabbit hole. That's how I knew that I went
down the rabbit hole in this the other day. The
second down or the non obvious, non obvious passed down
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the sack statistics. So the Broncos are taking advantage of
opportunities when they're presented, but they're also getting sacks and
opportunities when it doesn't seem obvious. When you watch that
game the other day with the Bills and the Chiefs
and Patrick Mahomes who again fifteen for thirty four had
a forty four percent completion rate.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
There at first NFL game below fifty percent completion.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Three sacks, no passing, touchdowns and interception in the game.
He looks, I know, for lack of a better word,
rattled at times. And the Bills defense has been getting
a lot of criticism, especially coming into that game. There
are a lot of people that include myself, there was like, okay,
well the weak link of this team is clearly their defense.
But it was the defense that kind of carried the day.
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I mean that in the run game for the Buffalo Bills.
So I know, coming away from that, you said earlier,
as you scoffed at me that they don't play similar
styles of football. I agree with you on that, but
there is a pattern or a blueprint for how the
Broncos might be able to replicate some of the things
that Buffalo Bills did well.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
Well, if you look at mahomes two worst games this year,
it's against the same thing I told when when Davis here,
it's you know, anybody that runs teams that run cover four,
you know four six or run cover two tend to
limit or slow down.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
Patrick Mahomes a little bit. You look at that.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
I mean, Buffalo's has its roots in the cover two
and then you got Vic of course known for quarters
match and I'll run some C six and combo coverages
and all that kind of stuff. But I mean, you know,
those those types, those base defenses tend to have the
most success slow and down pat Mahomes because they rely
on him to stay patient, take to what they give
you do and Mahomes doesn't want to do that. Mahomes
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wants to you know, he'll do that for a little
while and then he wants to take shots. And those
types defenses limited limit when you're able to do that.
So the Broncos run a counter on an almost completely
different style of defense, and they're going to have to
find ways to either show too high and then rotate down,
or show one high and rotate out to two, which
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is which is something that they don't normally do in
an effort to kind of stymy Mahomes.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
I was listening to a breakdown on Mina Kayn's podcast
about this game, and she said that if the Broncos
had passed Tan, she would feel a lot better about
picking the Broncos, but because they don't have pats Ertan,
she's leaning Chiefs in this game though though that player
is quite literally the difference for her. And you know, again,
everybody's going to have their different way that they break
this thing down. And some people will say, well, Bonix
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is too much of a liability, or know JK. Dobbins
is the you know, whatever reason why you want to pick,
to choose whatever team you're gonna choose here. I actually
think the last two weeks playing without Patzertan leading up
to this specific challenge, because you're not facing Davis Mills,
you're not facing Gino Smith, you're facing Patrick Mahomes, and
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getting those reps on the field together in the secondary,
I think is.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
Very important for this matchup. I agree with you, I
do well hardly agree with you. Actually, I hate I
hate Mina Kimes is premise there because it gives you
leeway both ways. It's one of those things where you
get to pick a hypothetical that can't be disapproven and
then you get to play both sides of this well
of Broncos fans. I would have picked you except that
you were missing this you know this player over here, which,
by the way, I would say Dobbins would be the
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one that would more for frustrate me than Cirtan given
the Broncos defense's performance without Certan, even though Sirtan is
a great player.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
That's said, I agree with you.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
I mean, I think having Aram's drain and those guys
out there and get a chance to get used to
each other, I think the question isn't how much they're
going to miss r Tan. I think the question is
how much a're going miss Ertan and Singleton. Whatever you
think of Singleton going away from the ball, he's worn
the green dot. He's been the guy that got everybody
lined up. You know, he does a lot of things
for you. It's got to be interesting to see what
this defense looks like without two major pieces missing as well.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Yeah, Singleton one might be the bigger deal, even though
I don't think a lot of people want to admit
to it.
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Right, Really, Sotain's a better player.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
But what Singleton does and has been, you know, and
he's just he just doesn't miss games.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
Well. VJ pointed it out dur his press conference today
that he had made a mistake, like VJ said, I
made a mistake in a play call and Alex got
us in the right position, right, And that is like
a low key massive gal field for a guy that
right exactly. Now, whatever you think about him athletically or
what he brings as far as the high end that
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you're looking for the inside linebacker, that's a different discussion.
His brain, his mind certainly is a big deal. And
so for instinctually, what kind of a hit are you
taking there at the inside linebacker position for the knowledge
of the defense, you know, Dave said he thought that
Drake Greenlaw might make the most sense there for the dot.
I think I'm probably more Brandon Jones on this side
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of things.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
We'll see what they do.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
I guess even ster Nod would be a conversation considering
that he also has a lot of familiarity of the defense.
So I'm trying to remember who got the green dot
was Was it a Barton that got.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
It last year?
Speaker 1 (20:34):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Okay, did it last year? I I don't know.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
I'm with Dave on the because, like when Dave says,
I'm a football traditionals, if you're the safety and you're
try to get everybody lined up, you really got to
project that voice down there out front, you know, to
those to those guys down front, and if your defense
is on the field, it tends to be pretty loud
in a home environment, so it's tough to do that,
which means you've got to come up and do those
kinds of things. So you know, a box safety doesn't
isn't a bad idea, but there's there's tricks to that
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like he has to if he's going to be especially
at a high position, he's got to be down front
and then bail out to get back to his position
after he's online everybody up or you know all that
kind of stuff. So there is something to having a
linebacker do that, especially at home where it's going to
be very loud while your defense is on the field,
versus on the road, where it's a little bit different.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
It's actually be quiet while your defense on the field.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
A couple of texts here on our Kway Common Spirit
Hill text line five six six nine zero. Bin is Worthyes,
injuries serious Kimbo with an ankle today?
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Yeah, no, okay, no, he's on the reports. Is just angry.
He's gonna he's going to play.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
He's there, he's going to be a go Okay, so
I was limited today.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
I believe limited today. Yeah, he's he's going to be
fine though. Okay, probably more of a fancy question here.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
Oh yeah, just start with I mean against against the
Broncos defense.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
So yeah, you know, take your pick your poison there.
But it's a weird.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Deal because when Racy Rice came back, now that if
you're worthy, had a massive role he'll have everything walk
to the game where he's he's a big time contributor.
I think they had a big plan for him earlier
in the season, then they got hurt with that friendly
fire shot with Travis Kelcey. But then when Racie Rice
came back, the entire offense seems to kind of focal
point around him.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
Now, my question on that is.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
The Broncos haven't done a pretty decent job generally speaking.
I'm not saying you're gonna shut down Racie Rice because
of the way they utilize him, But when there's like
a guy that is like the singular focus of the team,
so like Brock Powers last week, Jake Ferguson was one
of those guys. I mean he was leading the league
at tight ends for catches and touchdowns. They have shown
the ability when hey, we'll put our eggs in the
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basket of saying this is the guy that's not beating us.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
Well, yeah, if the Broncos.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Defense literally says we're gonna make it very tough for
you to complete passes and do much with Rachie Rice,
is that gonna be enough?
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Well, I mean yes and no. I mean the Broncos have.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
Advance comes from the Belichick philosophy, we're going to take
away the thing you do best and force you to
be us with other things.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
They did that with A J. Brown.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
I mean, DeVante got eight catches for one hundred and
fourteen on and fifty of those came on one play. They
did that against the Bengals where they took away you know,
Jamar Chase, but then they got you know, t Higgs
going in that game.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
I think, well, he almost had a really big game,
but then one of his catches was called back. But yes,
I mean he right, he was. We wondered whether it
wo'd be like a CD and George Pickens. They both
had like seven catches each, but then either of them gashed.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
You. Yeah, they're like seventy some yards each. Philosophically, they
want to take away what you do best to do that.
So the question is what do you do best?
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Is that? Is that? Where she is that Travis Kelsey?
You know?
Speaker 3 (23:24):
And that's been the problem I think in defending Kansasites,
because they do so many.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Things well as much as we're loath to admit it.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
And so for me, I think I think you kind
of look at this and say, Okay, let's let's look
at this a little bit differently. What is it that
everybody else is having is doing that's causing them to
be to slow him down, and that is forcing him
to take what's in front of him, all right, And
then the other side of that is, okay, well, if
they do a lot of things, well, then we can't
take one thing away. Let's take away the distributor of that.
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So to me, that means firing up the pass rush
and sending things at Pat Mahomes.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
It means it.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
Means showing a too high coverage or maybe being in
a too high shell with maybe a man underneath, and
throwing everything else you can in as many rotations as
you can as Pat Mahomes, because if you can't stop
the individual matchups, then you need to stop the distributor
of the ball to those matchups, right. Well, and the
idea is, and you saw this, we went Buffalo, they
sent four and they had a lot of success. They're
getting home with four if you can get home with
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four and five and then do it. And the Broncos
have been one of the best teams in the league
doing that. Now, getting it kneed JFM and he came
up with a back injury today.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
Hopefully that that ends up being not a big deal.
But you've been able to get home with four a
lot this year. And I do think that the one
benefit of playing the Chiefs is you know, they really
aren't going to beat you with the run. You know,
Like I'm not saying they're one dimensional, because Patrick Mahomes
can be the run game, so you have to pay
attention to that. But like ween you're playing, for example,
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the Bills, and I know that's kind of a weird
year for Josh Allen, but just go with me on it.
You got to guard against James Cook. You gotta getainst
guardians him. Ros scrambling and the passing game can be lethal.
Like all three of those things can really beat you
with the Chiefs. And I'm not trying to discredit them
because they're when they when they want to be. Kareem
Hunt isn't gonna freak me out, like like he's a
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powerful running back and he certainly does a great job
after contact, but he's not a burner.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
He's not good.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
Now now they got Brashard Smith, I will say that,
but they don't use him. That's the Taptually are you
watching in these games, you're like, hey, man, your fastest,
most dynamic running back, you barely use.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
Right, that's not how they run the ball. They run
the ball to put themselves in manageable positions. Sure like
you always run it on first down and to get
four or five, you know, hoping you get four or
five put yourself for two shots at a first down,
or you if you missed the pass on first down.
They'll run it on second down in an effort to
put themselves in third manageable and then they run assaulted away.
They run short yardag stuff if they need short yardage
or you know, goal line. But they don't run the
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ball to run the ball.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
They just don't.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
But that's my points, like you're not guarding against this
like jabberwockie of of Hey, you got the running game
and you got the passing game. The biggest thing, and
VJ talked about quite a bit today was it's it's
it's the second play. It's the third version of the play. Right,
It's not the it's called what's called you generally probably
have a plan for. It's what they do improvisationally after
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the fact, and you got a plaster that's the biggest deal.
And that I'm not telling any people that they don't
know about the Kansas City Chiefs. I'm just saying, when
you're preparing for this game without Isaiah Pacheco, which I
did think gave them a little bit of that bump
in the run game, I'm kind of selling out on
everything else. Like at this point, I'm like, Hey, if
Kareem Hunt riffs off of twenty yarder, hey good for you, man.
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We have guys that can catch up to you. I'm
not worried about Kareem Hunt busting one for fifty yards.
It's probably not gonna happen in this game. The bigger
deal here is letting Patrick Mahomes escape. And so when
you're talking about getting home with four, it's like you
just can't give those you can't over rush.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
You kind of have to mush rush a little bit.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
Vance's experience with that, I mean Vance, it was up
against Advance was the first person to try he got
out of his one high went too high against Mahomes
back in the day when he was a head coach here.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
So we've seen that.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Now.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
They didn't win those games, but they put together the
best defensive performances to that date. Up against Mahomes Delfangio,
you know sort of, I would they solved it, but
showed what you have to do. Yeah, I think so.
I think the main thing to keep your eye on
is scrambled to rules. So kansasdate Ha is different scrambled
to rules and just better. But I think everybody knows
they're played a game. If your north gets south, if
you're south, get north, right. Kansady to do that with
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their scrambled ril stuff. They got one guy who's dedicated
to get north every play, and one guy who's dedicated
to come across the field horizontally every play.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
And so there's.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
Scrambled rules are a little different, and if you can
kind of figure that out, then you go all right, Well,
when the play busts down, this is how I need
to get sticky with this guy instead of the way
you normally would with Oh he's vertical, he's going back
for the ball, or.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
He's short, he's going deep.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
A couple more texts here five six six nine zero
is little Jo and Humphrey and upgrade over Trent Sherfield.
I haven't heard his name called much this year, but
I know the team brought him in primarily to be
a blocking wide receiver because he is a team first guy.
What would your letter grade evaluation of Surefield be? So
far this year, A few times I've noticed him blocking,
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he seemed to do quite well.
Speaker 2 (27:57):
Well, that's the thing.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
So treasure Field is contributions have been obviously in special
teams and he's been a blocking wide receiver. He's only
got like three catches, yeah, on the year, so one
first down all year.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
He is not a guy that's that's you know, he's
mostly a special teams guy.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
And then you know they have him out there to
block on some stuff. So I mean, letter grade, I
don't know.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
You know, we watched him in training camp and I
think we all kind of got excited about maybe just
this extra fifth wide receiver option for the off passing offense.
And then as the seasons weren't on, you barely even
involved in Evan Ingram even as much as we all thought,
at least I thought would be the case.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
So there's that's what happens, right.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
You see in training camp, okay, that there's a heavy
utilization of a player, like we're coming in reporting what
we're seeing, Hey man, trishure Field's getting targeted a lot.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
Evan Ingram is getting targeted a lot, and then.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
You get to the season and well, those things don't
necessarily always happen the way that we saw, at least
at that time.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
Surefield has one hundred fewer snaps than Pat Bryant this year.
To put that in perspective, me, sure Frenchurefield has as
many snaps on the field as Nate Atkins for the season,
you know, and he's been out for a few games.
He's just not I mean, Sheffield's in on half the
special team snaps for the year, but he's only had
one hundred and sixty three total snaps of offense this
entire season. To put that in perspective, uh, you know,
Cortland Sutton has five hundred and eighty six you know,
(29:15):
like there's you know, the bow has been on six
hundred and sixty five plays, like Treashurefield's been in on
twenty percent of the snaps. So it's it's really not
that that's a non factor.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
So is el is little Jem Humphrey gonna be up
over Mercedes Lewis.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
That's kind of what I'm wondering.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
I would I would suspect, So that's my guess because
Lewis was a liability in that Raiders game of Flags
Get two and you know, I mean it was it
was a bit faalse starts.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Yeahah, it was a bit of a liability.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
Well you had a hole too that either did you
have a qualified or did you know whatever remember the
two falls start, maybe an offsetting or something like that,
but he had he had a couple of He was
a liability to that game. And I mean, with all
due respect because it was a feel good story. You
keep him around a couple more weeks to see if
the RUSS comes off. If not, then what are we
doing here? You know, I and I would expect a
(30:02):
little Jordan Humphrey to be up this game. Like what
everything I was told was that they were bringing him
in to play this game.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
Well, his agent even confirmed that. Okay, it's his agent.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
To Mike Cliss said yeah, he's he's signed with the
practice squad and he's playing this weekend.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
Okay, there you go. So again, familiarity with the offense helps.
He already knows Yeah, he already knows the offense. You
know this is there's not really an aclamatization.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
So it's not like he went here last year, you know,
so he knows what's going on with all that. He's
in there to be and this is you should kind
of tip the hand a little bit. I mean, you
know why little Jordan Humphrey's here. You know what they're
gonna do. You know what the game plan is. If
they're bringing him, you know what the game plan is.
We're running a lot of screens. He's gonna be out
there for screens.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
Well, so this is an interesting thing that I wanted to
maybe talk to you about that a little more on
the other side. But Marvin min Is being back. It's
a really big deal for this offense, I think so.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
I mean, he is by far your most athletic player,
and hopefully some of the targets that have been going
to Troy Franklin will.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
Go to him. I believe so.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
Watching the way they use Khalil Shakir in this last
game for the Buffalo Bills versus the Kansa City Chiefs,
I basically said, I think they could do everything they
were doing with Kali Shakhir. They were doing a lot
of short, intermediate stuff. They weren't doing the deep stuff
with Khalil Shaker versus the Chiefs, and they're usually him
more to neutralize some of that pass rush for the
(31:19):
Chiefs and to get the ball out of Josh Allen's
hands as fast as possible. But there's a lot of screens,
there's shallow crosses, there were stuff that he could get
his speed.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Going and get upfield.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
And one of the things that really impressed me the most,
and this is why I thought about little Jordan Humphrey,
is the receiver blocking and the tied end blocking, especially downfield,
was very, very good in this game.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
The Buffalo Bills like they do a great job.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
And the reason why their run game is the way
it is is because these guys understand it. And whether
it's going to be James Cook or it's gonna be
Josh Allen running it, there's a mindset that they've all
bought into. Once they get a sense that Josh is
gonna run, they turn around and they start blocking, and
those usually turn into some big runs. So whether that's
Bo Nixon gets an opportunity to that or Argie Harvey
(32:00):
or in this case Marvin Mims, whether you're channing him
off or you're just getting him short quick passes to
supplement the run game, a bit.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
I think he's gonna have a really big role this week. Well,
that Buffalo thing is by design.
Speaker 3 (32:13):
You notice how much of Buffalo's offense goes left to
right or right to left instead of north to south right.
That's because when you're flashing your numbers back the quarterback,
your eyes are.
Speaker 2 (32:20):
Back there too. You can see when they take off
and you can turn around a block.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
If your back is to the quarterback and you're on
a vertical route, you're not gonna be able to know,
you know, when that's happening, unless there's a roar of
the crowd, which you got to peek back and you know,
kind of do that because so there's designs to that too.
That's not really built into what we do, but it
would be nice.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
I do, I do agree with you. I do believe
mim is gonna have a big day.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
I think, you know, if you're betting on anybody but
Marvin Mims, to have a big day is probably necessary,
I think to.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
Beating the Chiefs. Look at us agreeing on something. You know,
just feel good?
Speaker 3 (32:50):
Do you feel dirty? Do you feel ashamed? I feel
like I need to take a shower.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Aided you into it a little bit.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
I don't because I argued both sides and you really
had nowhere else to go. But I'll take it. I'll
he could have it's a dub. I could have gone
somewhere else. Don't challenge me. Okay, all right, we'll come back.
I do want to talk a little about J.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
Harvey. We'll get into that a little bit.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
Also again, coming up at five point thirty tonight, Paul
Deep Podesta exclusive interview with Toys the Baracki's Jack Corgan.
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