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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Five, six six nine Zeros or KWA Comma Spirit Health
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text line top of the hour Broncos Country Tonight's Grant Smith,
Nick ferg They're gonna take you into the evening. We
have Thursday Night Football between the Patriots and the Jets.
Tonight's looking forward to seeing if that game could be interesting.
Thursday night games again been a bit of a mixed bag.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Say even this, the primetime games over the weekend were
not all that great, right, I mean the Broncos was
ten to seven, when night Football was ten to seven.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
We had some bookend to just yeah, and then even.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
The Chargers Steelers game was cind bad, like the Steelers
were sort three points.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Yeah. It was ugly, Yeah it was, And it was
funny because the Steelers there was a Yeah I remember
watching that and I'm like, man, the Colts lost the.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
VI rights And that's what's so weird. And that's why
I talked about a little bit earlier. Week to week.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Man, it really is week to week and where the
Broncos are positioned so beautifully here regardless of what happens
this weekend. I mean, everybody wants to win the game,
and of course, you know what the implications could be
for the division, but they're gonna be a playoff team
either way.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Like you're your position well for that.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
This isn't a must win in terms of you got
to have this game if you want to contend for
the just making the playoffs, you're going to be a
playoff team. It's just this could give you a lot
of leg up into the division, which once again why
they don't count of the Chargers. They're only one game
back and they already have a head to head against
the Broncos. So as much as we continue to disregard
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them because the injuries, you shouldn't disregard the Chargers.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
I made last night and I was like, what I
was trying to say. The pressure is on Kansas City here.
You know, if the Broncos lose this, there's still in
a driver's seat on this. But you have to contend
with the Chargers. If the Chiefs loses, they're out of it.
I mean, they're a wowcard team. If they lose this,
It's not impossible, but it would take an epic collapse
by both the Broncos and the Chargers at that point
for Kansas City to pull that out.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
My concern isn't really Kansas City.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
I mean it is because that's the opponent this week
and you want to win and all that kind of stuff.
My concern is, and I view this through the lens
of wanting to win the division and have home playoff games,
is the Chargers. That's been Sean Payton's bugaboo. He has
beating them since he's been here. He's only ever beaten
Hardball one time, and that was the last second field goal.
It's that that's my real concern. Even with the injuries
they're having that they're still rolling five six, six.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Nine zeros or kay commisper health text signe. So again,
like I said, and yesterday I got a little bit
pushback from listeners when I said it wasn't a must
win game.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
I mean, it's it is, but it isn't. It's you know,
you hate the radio hype. Like I hear what you say,
and you hate the radio. You know every we all
the must win game. You know how it is. Yes,
it's really not. It's a must win game for Kansas City.
That is true. You know, the Broncos lose this game,
You're eight and three and still in the driver's seat.
You know, now, that makes that makes Christmas Day probably
a must win game, right, But you know, you know,
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in terms of it being a must win game on
a silo, no it's not. No, it is, and I
tend to it's a one you really want to win.
That's not a must win.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
I hate the whole dismissive thing, but I tend to
push back on the unless it's mathematically a must win game.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
And that's where I'm coming.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
It's difficult to call things must win when they're not
mathematically a must win.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
How much can you squeeze out of that? If you
call it every thing must win, that's right, Yeah, everything
must win, then nothing's must win.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
You know.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
In fact, I would have argued that the Raiders game
was probably more must win because it's a game you
need to have, you should get.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
You got to bank those. The rest of the schedule
is not easy. Even the easy games aren't easy. I mean,
the Jags are still theoretically a playoff team, even though
they're on fraud watch at this point.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
There's a really.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Funny text coming in here, a moment ago five six
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to Ryan and Ben reminds me of the WWF enemies
on the air. But once the show is over, they're
going out to dinner together. You guys are great.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
I tried to go to dinner and he's you know,
I mean, Ryan's busy, an important individual. He's got many,
many important things obviously going on, and unfortunately was had
to decline my invitation.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Yeah, the hey, I'm going to be at this place
in an hour, you want to be there?
Speaker 3 (03:44):
That's as good as it gets from me, That's right.
So that's that is the invitation. That's a good as gets,
even in a question to throw a question mark on
the for you. Yeah, Rarely, most of the time it's
the I'm going to be here in an hour, and
then that's really all you say.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
And it's like, okay, good for you. Like now I'm
telling you so that if you want to go, oh,
oh okay, I get it now. But in this case, you.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Did actually in the form of a question asking me
if I wanted to go tonight. I cannot, but I
appreciate the invite. One of these days, though, one of.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
These days, yeah, family stuff tonight.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
So I did want to talk about Argie Harvey, who's
in line for obviously a bigger role. What is a
bigger role for RGIE Harvey need to be should be
in this game against the Chiefs.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Well, I mean considering you're talking about a guy who's
only been in on thirty percent twenty nine percent of
snaps all season. You know, we remember we were talking
about Trent Sherfield a snap count. He's one hundred and
sixty three snaps for the season. R J. Harvey only
has one hundred ninety five. That's behind Martha Mims. Have
an ngerom Pat Bryant, Alex Poulschewski has more offensive snaps.
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That's not I'm not talking about, especially if I've a
got offensive snaps. So a bigger role for him, I'm
not sure how much bigger it's going to be. As
much as you want a focused for him, he already
used a weapon in the receiving game. You're gonna have
to figure out something to do with him a little
bit in the run game, you know, as far as
that goes. But I'm not totally changing what we're doing,
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you know, I'm just finding a more focused role for him.
We might bump a snapcount from thirty to forty percent
of snaps, but I think I think you're still going
to see a huge rotation. I think Julia McLoughlin's gonna
eat up a lot of these snaps as well. Interesting,
so you.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Kind of led me right where I wanted to go,
because on one hand, when you have an injury, you
try not to impact the roles.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Of too many people if you can.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Now we always say next man up, but then there's
a little bit of an understanding of you.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
You have a guy in a role for a reason.
So R. J.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Harvey is a lot more of a pass catcher in
this offense than he has been a guy running the ball.
I mean, part and parcel of that is four carries
last week versus the Raiders, two carries versus Houston seven
versus Dallas four, versus the Giants two versus the Jets four.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
You get the point. Seven was because they were salting
it away and they gave it to him.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
That's right, that's right.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
The most carries he's had was against Cincinnati and then
he gives us a blowhand right. Fourteen carries for fifty
eight yards. But that's the only game this season he
said double digit carries. He's got to get double digit
carries this game, isn't he.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
I'm not sure that he is. Like, like I'm saying,
I think they I think they keep him in Bidet
in the same roles, and they write William McLoughlin in
in sort of the JK role because JK wasn't I mean,
there were some pass pro stuff that he that he did,
but he's really the first down guy. You know, he's
there to rip off, you know, six to eight yards
on first down, and then we forget he exists for
a while and then come back to him. RJ's there
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to you know, to be a mismatch guy. You move
him around a little bit, you give Hi a few carries,
You move him out into the you know, into the
you know, into the into the slot, and see what
he could do out there if you know, if you can,
you can make the box lighter. However, he goes, and
then Benet's in on third down. I mean it's I
don't I don't really. I mean, we'll see, but I'm
not sure that Harvey. I'm not sure that people who
are banking on a huge week in terms of carries
from Harvey, that's not Sean Payon's offense anyway, I mean,
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JK leading the way with what fifteen carries a game.
I mean, I'm not sure that Harvey's in for a
huge day.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
So I say all that, and I think, on surface,
I would agree with you until Sean said this yesterday,
and now I'm tilting more towards a bigger role for RJ.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Harvey on the ground.
Speaker 5 (07:15):
When we drafted him, it was his running skill set.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
Man, he had a lot of touches. I was just
kidding with him earlier.
Speaker 5 (07:22):
And then you have experienced in a guy like Juliel
who's explosive and and and has been chomping at the bit,
and so sometimes players are not held back. But when
you you know, you're watching Pat Brian grow right in
front of our eyes and and you're starting to see
that with RJ. And obviously you'll have more more opportunities
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here in this game. So he's built when you see
his frame, he's built to last, and that's that's important.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
So when he said that, I had a bit of
a reframe, like, okay, drafted and second round we believed
in your running ability. In fact, that was something that
was kind of, I mean a little bit underutilized.
Speaker 5 (08:06):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
There at a UCF, right, he uh, he kind of
averaged like one to two catches a game out there
at UCF. Now he's a bigger role in the passing
offense here. And I remember when we talked to him
on draft now he said, hey, my hands are underrated,
like I'm looking forward to showing that I had that ability.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
But just look at his last few.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Games there UCF twenty carries for one to nineteen, sixteen
for one thirty, twenty five for one twenty seven, twenty
two for one eighty four, sixteen for one twenty seven.
So you get the point here is Sean views this
guy as a legit we can run you running back
rather than just a change of pace guy. But they've
only used him that way, and I think partly because
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of what JK has brought to the running game. And remember,
you didn't have JK here, And I know you know
that I'm saying, like you didn't have JK here when
you drafted RJ. Harvey. There was this like, Okay, is R. J.
Harvey like the guy for this offense? And then I
think they always had the plan and intention to bring
in JK.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
Either way, it was Himer Nick Chobb and they wound
up going with the right one.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
But then once you get them in the building and
you see Jk's got some juice, Well, you can't deny that.
You can't deny the fact that JK looks like the
better running back right like right at the moment.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
Yeah, And JK is a running back. The difference is
r J. Harvey is a converted quarterback and he's playing
in Gus Maleson's offense. And if you guys know anything
about Gus Maleson's offense, it's QB veer and those those
running backs are bouncing stuff outside. Uh, it's it's to
draw away from, you know, from the from the quarterback
running inside.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
And so you know, I don't think that RJ has
developed the.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
NFL running back skill set in terms of being in
between the tackles, let my block set up, versus what
he did in college, which was I'm running to the
wide side of the field and I'm fast enough, I'm
on boat race everybody. And so I think that's a
part of it. JK has incredible vision and patients. We
talked about this earlier with Davis here. Like one of
the things, as I said about him, when when I
saw the first couple of weeks, I'm like, man, this
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guy's got This guy's like left Bell, he lets everything
set up. You know. Levo Bell famously would say he
only ran about forty percent because he let everything set
up in front of him. Then he take off and
JK kind of does the same thing. He lets stuff
set up and before he takes off and use this
being other different sizes and they have different things a game,
but they both had that same like let it set
up kind of thing, and that's that's generally what separates
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guys that are that are good or great in this
league in terms of playing that position, certainly.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
But back to the kind of original point, and we'll
hear from Joe Lombardi talking about RJ. But you just
haven't seen a lot of it here with the Broncos,
like a role where he is a.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
Starting running back, I think, But I think those are
tied together. I don't think he has developed the patients.
And maybe maybe he has, and we just haven't seen
it in a game. He's saying, but I haven't seen
it practice where he's where he's We didn't see it
in training camp for sure, but that was how many
months ago, right, so what I'm trying to get it
just like has The question is has r J. Harvey
developed that sort of patient is to let the blocking
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set up. And if he has, then he'll be fine
and he will have that kind of role. If not,
then you're probably using him to the edges on outsidees.
I'll want to stretch your toss whatever. And Jaliel, who
has run between the tackles before despite his diminutive size,
probably gets those carries.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
Now here's Joel Lombardi talking about RJ. Harvey getting a
bigger role.
Speaker 6 (11:16):
Yeah, he's just a guy that's growing right before our
eyes and you know, smart player, and we talked about
it before, talented and you know, well we'll see what happens.
But you know, if he does get more reps, I
think it'll be good for him. You know, it's a
it's a position that's hard when you've got a lot
of guys that are good, you know, getting them all
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their fair share of touches. And you know, I think
if his workload increases, you know we're going to see
his production increase and be real excited about it.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
I mean, they really do like him.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
So now you heard Joe Lombardi couching it with if there,
so he left it open for the possibility that his
role may say the same. So you had on one hand,
Sean Payton yesterday saying we've drafted him to be a
running back. We drafted him because of his ability.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
To run the ball.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
And then you have Joel Lombardi more hinting at him
being like more or less in his role that he's
been in this offense.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
So that's going to be sort of fascinating to watch.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
And he also, by the way, Joel Lombardi hinting at
the other talented running backs that they have, and they
do expect to have Jeelil McLoughlin available for this game.
He didn't really get a chance to show us very
much versus the Jets. We know he has more, but
he's been the healthy scratch. He's been the odd man
out this entire season. I don't know if this is
the time and this is the opponent that you suddenly
want to fire things up, but we'll say, in the
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element of surprise, that would be the surprise that all
of a sudden, Jealil McLoughlin is the guy that you
end up leaning on, and he breaks a couple of
long runs against the Kansas City Chiefs.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
Yeah, I mean Jaliel whatever else do you think of him?
And he is dominative and he's not really a guy
you can use in pass pro, but he has run
the ball fairly effectively, you know, when he's gotten the
opportunities to do it. So I think the thing that
makes the most sense to me is in this game,
you just put him in the JK role and keep
everything else the same and see where you're at now.
If that doesn't work, then you have to migrate, and
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you've got a bye week to do it. You have
to migrate RJ. Harvey to something else because I'll tell
you now, JK is gonna be on multiple weeks. You
can be multiple games. You know. I don't think he's
gonna be able for the Washington game. We'll see, they're
gonna try it out with you know, see if the
carbon fiber insert and all that kind of stuff. I
don't think he's gonna be there for that. I think
it's going to be a couple of games. So you know,
you're right now, you're just trying to you don't want
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to reconfigure things around RJ. Harvey and then just put
him right back in that role after one two games, right,
So I think right now the easiest thing to do
is to sit there and say, Okay, we got you
have to learn this role, and that's that.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Let me throw one more thing on R. J. Harvey
val you, and then we'll get to the text line.
We got a lot of text coming in here on
the Ka Commas Sprigs health text line. Is there something
too wanting to bump his confidence? RJ.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Harvey's confidence, especially knowing that he has had such a
limited role in the Running game.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
And I'm saying, you know, you don't force it. You
don't force r J.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Harvey, but you say, we have this designed role for you,
which is gonna be pretty similar workload to what JK.
Dobbins gets, just for the argument's sake of it, and
say we believe in you, We think you are capable
of being this guy. Sean Payton just said it right there.
We drafted you'd be a running back and to run
the ball. We have not given you that opportunity. But
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here's the game where we get a chance to see
what you can do. And you know what, if he
does shine in this role, that's only going to be
more valuable for this team down the stretch, especially because
they really are better when they have a focused running tack.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
They have been better at every single turn.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
This season when they have had running And you know
what we pointed out earlier about the disparity in running
from the first half to the second half, Well, guess
what if you have two legitimate starting caliber running backs
right now, you're only going to have one one and
a half. Maybe then you're gonna be that kind of
offense in December and January when you want to be.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
I get we're going with that. I just don't think
Argie's like guy, I don't. I don't think he. I
think he brings to the table what JK brings to
the table. And that's not to say that Jalil doesn't either,
But I mean, look, Rji's got fifty carries this year.
Only six of those have gone for first downs, right, Like,
that's not that's not the same, That's not what you're
looking for there. Now, he's had some game breaking success
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and obviously he's got what six seven six six touchdowns
seven touchdowns or.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Six weight RJ.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
Yeah, between the receiving the rushing, he's six or seven
touchdowns he has.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
He's got three receiving and he's got four receiving.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Okay, I think no, he does. I'm sorry to look
at his college. There's the question how many does he
have rushing? And I can't if it's two or three. Yeah,
he's two rushing and four season six.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
There you go, and he's I mean that's I mean,
I think you just leave him in the same role.
He is a great receiver. I think he's just right now,
has a very specific niche and how he runs the ball.
And they look at the bus stuff when guys get tired,
they look the bus stuff on the outside with him
and use the speed. I don't know, like he's not
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showing a propensity for between the tackle running or letting
the block set up, moving the pile, those kinds of things.
I'm not saying he can't do it. I'm here. I'm
with you, like, let's see it. I guess. But if
it were me and I were putting this together, the
easiest thing for me to do would be to call
up to Lee and say, you're taking Jk's role. Everybody
else stays the safe, so nobody else has learned anything new.
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We're not switching things on the fly.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
I do that.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
I guess the division rule, Like that's the way I
would look at it now, Sean, And I don't see.
I had a lot of things, which is probably why
I'm a dork with a microphone and he's a head
coach in the NFL. But I'm just saying, like, for me,
it would seem like that would be the way to go.
My question is when you need a yard, what are
we doing when it's third and three, third and two
and a half?
Speaker 2 (16:42):
What are we doing? Are we running bow up the middle?
Speaker 3 (16:45):
Because that's the biggest guy we got at this point,
unless we're putting Adam Prentiss back there.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
It's a good point. And that's really what.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
I'm wondering is if Adam Prentiss is going to get
a bigger role. He's played that back before. Yeah, Like,
is he going to.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
Get a bigger role because that's the only.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
Running back we have the ways more than two five
A couple.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Of texts here on the Kwa Kamas spirt Hell tech line.
Again we have Paul de Podesta joining Voice of the Rockies,
Jack Corgan coming up after the break here at the
bottom of the hour. This one maybe not a must win,
but this has to be a statement game.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
Can they beat the Chiefs? Can the offense get it together?
Speaker 3 (17:16):
Come on, I.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
Actually agree with everything you're saying there. Yeah, I actually
agree with everything. I think.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
I'm more talking about standings and I'm talking about ultimately,
how much does this it changes things?
Speaker 2 (17:30):
To think from a narrative perspective.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Right, there's a vibes that could be gained if you
beat the Chiefs, not only naturally but also locally and
especially heading into a bye week.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
This is not a must win from the playoff picture perspective.
This is a must win from the we want to
establish an identity. You know that if you want to
use the term must win, and that's coming off.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Of the Raiders game and the national sort of it
hesitates the embarrassment because that's not to be actually fair
because you didn't win that game, but it was embarrassing
playing the way you did.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
You had nine to three and outs. It was it
was a mess.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Offensively, you want to show that the duro you have
a lot more competency there. The defense is gonna show up.
The defense is gonna play tough against the Chiefs, And honestly,
if they can hold him under twenty points, the Broncos
have a very good shot at winning this game.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Can they do that? I don't know that it's gonna
be tough.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Chiefs really are a good team right now, despite the
fact that Patrick Mahomes had a very bad game against
the Buffalo Bills just a couple of weeks ago. But
from a vibe standpoint, from a narrative standpoint, you yeah,
you'd love to have this one.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
And the end of the day, here's the thing. Do
you believe we can hold the Chiefs under twenty Because
that's a very tough ask. Ben Joseph has he has before,
but it's a very okay and you know that question.
Then you do you believe the Broncos can score more
than twenty? And those really are the questions at the
end of the.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
Day, all right, this is our chance to win one
thousand dollars.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
Coming up the next five minutes thanks to Mercedes Beens
of Lilton Mercedeslyilton dot Com, Paul de Podesta, President Baseball
Operations for the Colorado Rockies, and Voice of the Rockies
Jack Corgan. Coming up next, of course, Broncos Country Tonight.
Coming to the top of the hour with Grant Smith
and Nick Ferguson, looking forward to their conversation as well.
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Five six six nine zeros or KWA common Spirit health
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in second uh and before we get to the interview here,
we just found out h Shohail Tani won his fourth
MVP moments ago. He captured all thirty first place votes
from the Baseball Writers Association of America. It so his
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fourth MVP over the past five years.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
I check this out.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
He's also the only player among the four major American
professional sports with more than one unanimous MVP. He's the
first player in MLB, NBA, NHL, and NFL history to
win both an MVP and a championship in each of
his first.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Two seasons with the team. Humm, gotch thing. Geez know,
he might have a future in this thing, just you know,
throwing that out there.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
It's I wonder what the odds were on that.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
Of course, you of course gambling problem.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
That joke was layered. Yeah, I'm sure it was. Yeah,
I get the layers on that too, but yeah, I mean,
holy cow, four m vps. They just want a championship.
The Dodgers are many. They're a wagon and and of
course a continuing to improve. I mean, it's it's gonna
be tough here for the Rockies playing in that division.
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It's so that's where the whole moneyball thing makes it makes.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
It interesting, Like if I can get compete dollar for dollar,
how can we stretch our dollars?
Speaker 1 (20:33):
That's exactly right. There was kind of an interesting moment,
is uh. Paul de Podesta, our new president of baseball
Operations for the Rockies, was introduced today with Walker Montfort
and Dick Montfort. Dick Montfort was asked about his role
like going forward. He kind of quipped, like, it feels
like they're kind of forcing me out, and he got
a laugh, got a laugh, and then he said he's
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he's kind of there to support the process. Like it
sounds to me based on the way Walker Montfort and
Paul de Potenza we're talking, is like that's going to
be the focus going forward, Like those guys are kind
of running things now. It's there for institutional knowledge exactly exactly.
And now Walker mo Offert he eased to acknowledge, Hey, listen,
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I got a lot to learn in this role. I mean,
Paul reports to Walker and then everybody reports to Dick.
But in the end, the day to day operations of
this thing, the structure of the whole thing, it starts with.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
Those two guys. And I don't know. I haven't to
just ask you before we hear the interview, like what
did you think.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
Of the higher It can't get worse. It literally cannot
get worse. You know. I went out there on a
limb during the season and said, you need to get
somebody in here who's got experienced top down. I suggested
a DECKI Kuriyama comes from, obviously the Japanese baseball just
thinking way outside the box, but I get it, like,
this is the sort of move I suggested that the
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Rockies should make. It's not the exact one because I
didn't think that was a realistic possibility, but I'm certainly intrigued.
Eyes are going to be on the Rockies to see
if this works out well.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
Here was the Conversation exclusive interview with Jack Corgan, Voice
the Rockies and new President of Baseball Operations Paul de
beat Paul de Podesta.
Speaker 4 (22:14):
Chance to visit with the Rockies new President of Baseball Operations,
Paul Deepotesta and Paul one of the things that I
noticed at the introductory news conference here is the twofold
if you will one, the confidence you have in the challenge,
and then.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
The excitement you have about this challenge. No, absolutely, I think.
Speaker 7 (22:37):
It's unique, you know, in all of sports, and it's
not easy.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
But that's part of the fun, right I think it's
part of the fun.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
You know.
Speaker 7 (22:45):
I talked to a lot of my friends in baseball,
and almost all the ones I saw at the GMS
meetings in these last couple of days, they.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
All were a little jealous. You have to be able to.
Speaker 7 (22:54):
Take on a challenge like this, so you know, I've
said it before, I'm a bit of a sucker for
a challenge, and I think this is a great one
to take on.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
One of the things that people may not realize that
your breadth of experience in multiple sports kind of puts
you in a unique spot, if you will, where you've
had all these experiences to gather information and now to
attempt it as the boss if you will, to make
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it happen.
Speaker 7 (23:25):
No, absolutely, I've been super fortunate, I mean, five different
Major League Baseball teams and then getting over the course
of twenty years and then getting to spend a decade in.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
The NFL, an unusual path to say the least.
Speaker 7 (23:36):
But no, I'm anxious to do that exactly as you said,
to take all those different experiences, all the learnings, not
only from all those people great people, and all those
different organizations, but even from the different leagues, and what
are things that we can learn from my experience in
the NFL and hopefully turn those into competitive advantages here
for the Rockies.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
When you were with the other teams that you have
worked for in Major League Baseball, you alluded to it
during the news conference about the the challenge of coresfield
and teams dreading it when they came in. There's a
little bit of the challenge on the at home side,
if you will, of the people that have to deal
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with altitude and see level and back on a day
to day basis. I'm sure you have ideas, but it's
it's part of that challenge that you talked about relishing.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
No doubt.
Speaker 7 (24:28):
I mean, look, I think when when things are going well,
you know you can you can turn this into an unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Home field advantage.
Speaker 7 (24:34):
When things aren't going so well, it can, you know,
you start looking at as an obstacle.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
You know, to your success. So hopefully we can be.
Speaker 7 (24:42):
The former, you know, instead of the ladder and really
use this to our advantage and say, hey, when people
come in here, they're going to have to play our game,
and they're going to have to play our you know,
against our guys, and it's it's not going to be
fun for them, you know, and and they're just going
to want to survive these three or four days.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
So that's where we want to get to.
Speaker 4 (24:58):
Certainly, there's going to be an amalgamation of people already
in house and folks you will bring in to work
with you on the front office side, if you will.
But certainly the number one job I would think right
now is deciding on who's going to be your field
leader in that manager spot, and then the staff that
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that person's going to assemble.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
Now, I think that's exactly right.
Speaker 7 (25:22):
There's been a bunch of turnover already this year in
Major League Baseball. A number of other managers have already
been hired, so I think we're anxious to get going
on that. It's such an important piece of the entire puzzle,
not just the manager, but then really the entire coaching staff.
So I think it's critical that we address that, you know,
as soon as we can, and then we can start
worrying about, you know, some of the other spots. Look,
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we're still months away from playing a game, so that
you know, we're not in.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
Too big of a rush.
Speaker 7 (25:47):
But at the same time, we want to make sure
we get that one right and get it in place,
because I think that'll help set the tone for some
other things we want to do.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
The challenge throughout the thirty three years that the Rockies
have played in Major League Baseball has been not only
how the game is different here, but then how the
game changes when the ball club goes away from altitude.
I would assume Paul, that the person you select and
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as you mold a roster of players, trying to find
that group and a philosophy that could play anywhere.
Speaker 7 (26:26):
I think that's right. And look, it's it's hard. I'm
not blind to that challenge. You know, it's hard to
play on the road anyway.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
You know, whether it's the NFL or Major League Baseball.
You know, the best teams in the leagues are are
good on the road. They're great at home. Right, So
we at least we know that that's a challenge. There
are Rockies teams that have been good on the road.
Speaker 7 (26:47):
Some of these playoff teams have you know, they've had
winning records on the road. So I'll say this, I
know it's possible, right, And I think that's got to
be our mindset.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
That it's absolutely possible.
Speaker 7 (26:56):
And you know, if we build the right roster, we
build the right culture, and even maybe the right processes
in place to help them acclimate, you know, as they
go in and out of altitude. Again, I don't have
all those answers, but like I said, I know it's possible,
So we're going to strive to do it again.
Speaker 4 (27:10):
Well on behalf of the KOA Rockies Radio Network and
all the fans who love this team. Welcome to you
and your family here in Denver. We're excited to see
what's going to happen.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
Paul, Yeah, thanks so much. We're really happy to be here.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
A really good conversation there with Voice the Rockies Jack
Corgan and new Baseball President Baseball Operations Paul deep Podesta.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
We'll get an interview up a KWA Colorado dot com.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
And again, I love his quote earlier today saying this
has the chance to be the best home field advantage
in all of baseball. I can't even imagine in my
mind right now what that would look like if the
Rockies had a great home field advantage, because right now
it feels like Wow, when the Cubs are in town
or the Keys are in town, you know, that becomes
the home field advantage. The home field advantage is visiting
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teams and visiting fans. Boy, if you can win consistently
at home, I'll tell you what, that is a massive game.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
Grantay Hawkey never misses.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
I don't know. The actors are the news for the
rug reasons that I.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
Think I don't believe. Yeah, I think he's gonna be out.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
Okay, Okay, I just saw the headlines.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
I think she was lying.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
Nor really I believe all women.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
But I had a friend of mine that says she's
not trustworthy.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
All right, Well that's some some news on KWA News
that we we broke.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
Just now there you go, Oh.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
Goeat Thursday night football. We'll pick this game here in
a second.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
The Patriots are eight and two, and I guess a
little bit of our rooting interest here would be in
the Jets, but not for your justin field sucks, so.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
This is the weird fun for you, because we all should.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Be as in Broncos country, pulling for the Jets tonight
to upset the Patriots who are eight and two.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
We have no hope whatsoever. Yeah, that's probably not gonna happen. Right,
the will Justin Fields get to one hundred passing yard?
Speaker 2 (29:09):
It is a difisicating. We just got the bat on it. No,
don't even chase with him. They don't chase with Ben.
He's baiting you.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
Zach's face is great though, Yeah, your ears his eyes
went up for a second there, he was hungry for that.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Actuallyyeah, I was just upset that Jami's got to start
over you run.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
I was like, I was about to text him something
when I knew Dart was out with the concussion, and
then I didn't. I was like, wait a minute, it's
gonna be my luck that I text him, and then
they're gonna start Jamis. And so I've I laid back
on that one, thankfully, And here we are been eating
the tweet.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Oh it had been brutal. That be so brutal for you.
So yeah, go.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
Justin Fields, go New York Jets tonight. And I'm sorry Ben,
you're just gonna take one for the team.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
Sure, I'll root for him all through the fifteen million
incompletions and you know, three and a half points they
come up with, they scored a half point. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
I don't think he'll.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
Even throw that much to get to that many incompletions.
Remember eleven passes this now in a win, what's ted
up and incomplete?
Speaker 2 (30:10):
Five of them? More five incompletions.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
He had Here's what four games this year he has
less than sixty passing yards?
Speaker 2 (30:16):
You did throw for a touchdown? The old games, we
had a Shelby on they had It was a.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
Couple of games ago. They had Brice Hole throw the
ball when it got to the end zone because they
didn't trst him.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
We has Shelby on of course, plays with the Browns.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
Huh. And I was asking him about how weird that
game was. He's like, there's no passing game. It's you
don't even know what to say. Which offense was he
talking about?
Speaker 3 (30:37):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (30:39):
Oh, I am all right.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
Let's get to show me the money presented by Amerisarcisino
or Little Gabriel, Peter Gabriel, the archangel Gabriel doesn't matter
in Blackhawk. You want to stop destination for gaming, dying, lodging,
and entertainment. We got Thursday night football between the Jets
and the Patriots Patriots minus twelve and a half over
under forty three and a half both Dave and Nick. Well,
by the way, Nick six and oh.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
So he's Nick's gonna Peter this week and he won
last morning one last week, so he's he nipped me
at the last minute.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
I think, you.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Know, beg convinced that day. But whatever confirmed me if
you ain't first your last? Who put it that way? Uh? Well,
Dave and Nick are taking the Patriots mins twelve and
a half in the over, Nick six and oh, Daves
three and three. So that basically means wait here, we'll
take me over.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Yeah, Oh, I apologize the under. Yeah, I say I
should learn to read. I was just gonna say, all right,
but do you want to know what I I mean? Well,
I mean I'm just gonna go opposite. I have to
go opposite. So there's nothing, there's a lot else to
play for. I'll take the Jets and the under.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
Give me the Jets.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
He's gonna win the Jets and the overs. The over
because you.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
Gotta have mathematic where you have to do that.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Yeah, there's has.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Gotta be a rooting interest in this tonight, Greg, what's
coming up on the show tonight?
Speaker 7 (31:55):
Rick Lewis Gold our favorite Kansas City Chiefs reporter on BCT,
and then bre Mastas going to talk a little buffs.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
Yeah, it's weird. You knew exactly what was going to
happen on the show.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
No mystery guests when I'm hosting. Nope, all right, very good, Grant,
great job has always been.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
Thanks for sitting in today. Yep, appreciate it. We'll be
back to Bore three o'clock VCT next
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text line top of the hour Broncos Country Tonight's Grant Smith,
Nick ferg They're gonna take you into the evening. We
have Thursday Night Football between the Patriots and the Jets.
Tonight's looking forward to seeing if that game could be interesting.
Thursday night games again been a bit of a mixed bag.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Say even this, the primetime games over the weekend were
not all that great, right, I mean the Broncos was
ten to seven, when night Football was ten to seven.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
We had some bookend to just yeah, and then even.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
The Chargers Steelers game was cind bad, like the Steelers
were sort three points.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Yeah. It was ugly, Yeah it was, And it was
funny because the Steelers there was a Yeah I remember
watching that and I'm like, man, the Colts lost the.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
VI rights And that's what's so weird. And that's why
I talked about a little bit earlier. Week to week.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Man, it really is week to week and where the
Broncos are positioned so beautifully here regardless of what happens
this weekend. I mean, everybody wants to win the game,
and of course, you know what the implications could be
for the division, but they're gonna be a playoff team
either way.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Like you're your position well for that.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
This isn't a must win in terms of you got
to have this game if you want to contend for
the just making the playoffs, you're going to be a
playoff team. It's just this could give you a lot
of leg up into the division, which once again why
they don't count of the Chargers. They're only one game
back and they already have a head to head against
the Broncos. So as much as we continue to disregard
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them because the injuries, you shouldn't disregard the Chargers.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
I made last night and I was like, what I
was trying to say. The pressure is on Kansas City here.
You know, if the Broncos lose this, there's still in
a driver's seat on this. But you have to contend
with the Chargers. If the Chiefs loses, they're out of it.
I mean, they're a wowcard team. If they lose this,
It's not impossible, but it would take an epic collapse
by both the Broncos and the Chargers at that point
for Kansas City to pull that out.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
My concern isn't really Kansas City.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
I mean it is because that's the opponent this week
and you want to win and all that kind of stuff.
My concern is, and I view this through the lens
of wanting to win the division and have home playoff games,
is the Chargers. That's been Sean Payton's bugaboo. He has
beating them since he's been here. He's only ever beaten
Hardball one time, and that was the last second field goal.
It's that that's my real concern. Even with the injuries
they're having that they're still rolling five six, six.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Nine zeros or kay commisper health text signe. So again,
like I said, and yesterday I got a little bit
pushback from listeners when I said it wasn't a must
win game.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
I mean, it's it is, but it isn't. It's you know,
you hate the radio hype. Like I hear what you say,
and you hate the radio. You know every we all
the must win game. You know how it is. Yes,
it's really not. It's a must win game for Kansas City.
That is true. You know, the Broncos lose this game,
You're eight and three and still in the driver's seat.
You know, now, that makes that makes Christmas Day probably
a must win game, right, But you know, you know,
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in terms of it being a must win game on
a silo, no it's not. No, it is, and I
tend to it's a one you really want to win.
That's not a must win.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
I hate the whole dismissive thing, but I tend to
push back on the unless it's mathematically a must win game.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
And that's where I'm coming.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
It's difficult to call things must win when they're not
mathematically a must win.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
How much can you squeeze out of that? If you
call it every thing must win, that's right, Yeah, everything
must win, then nothing's must win.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
You know.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
In fact, I would have argued that the Raiders game
was probably more must win because it's a game you
need to have, you should get.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
You got to bank those. The rest of the schedule
is not easy. Even the easy games aren't easy. I mean,
the Jags are still theoretically a playoff team, even though
they're on fraud watch at this point.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
There's a really.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
Funny text coming in here, a moment ago five six
six nine zero KWA Kommasbury health text line. Sometimes listening
to Ryan and Ben reminds me of the WWF enemies
on the air. But once the show is over, they're
going out to dinner together. You guys are great.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
I tried to go to dinner and he's you know,
I mean, Ryan's busy, an important individual. He's got many,
many important things obviously going on, and unfortunately was had
to decline my invitation.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Yeah, the hey, I'm going to be at this place
in an hour, you want to be there?
Speaker 3 (03:44):
That's as good as it gets from me, That's right.
So that's that is the invitation. That's a good as gets,
even in a question to throw a question mark on
the for you. Yeah, Rarely, most of the time it's
the I'm going to be here in an hour, and
then that's really all you say.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
And it's like, okay, good for you. Like now I'm
telling you so that if you want to go, oh,
oh okay, I get it now. But in this case, you.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Did actually in the form of a question asking me
if I wanted to go tonight. I cannot, but I
appreciate the invite. One of these days, though, one of.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
These days, yeah, family stuff tonight.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
So I did want to talk about Argie Harvey, who's
in line for obviously a bigger role. What is a
bigger role for RGIE Harvey need to be should be
in this game against the Chiefs.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Well, I mean considering you're talking about a guy who's
only been in on thirty percent twenty nine percent of
snaps all season. You know, we remember we were talking
about Trent Sherfield a snap count. He's one hundred and
sixty three snaps for the season. R J. Harvey only
has one hundred ninety five. That's behind Martha Mims. Have
an ngerom Pat Bryant, Alex Poulschewski has more offensive snaps.
(04:50):
That's not I'm not talking about, especially if I've a
got offensive snaps. So a bigger role for him, I'm
not sure how much bigger it's going to be. As
much as you want a focused for him, he already
used a weapon in the receiving game. You're gonna have
to figure out something to do with him a little
bit in the run game, you know, as far as
that goes. But I'm not totally changing what we're doing,
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you know, I'm just finding a more focused role for him.
We might bump a snapcount from thirty to forty percent
of snaps, but I think I think you're still going
to see a huge rotation. I think Julia McLoughlin's gonna
eat up a lot of these snaps as well. Interesting,
so you.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Kind of led me right where I wanted to go,
because on one hand, when you have an injury, you
try not to impact the roles.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Of too many people if you can.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Now we always say next man up, but then there's
a little bit of an understanding of you.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
You have a guy in a role for a reason.
So R. J.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Harvey is a lot more of a pass catcher in
this offense than he has been a guy running the ball.
I mean, part and parcel of that is four carries
last week versus the Raiders, two carries versus Houston seven
versus Dallas four, versus the Giants two versus the Jets four.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
You get the point. Seven was because they were salting
it away and they gave it to him.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
That's right, that's right.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
The most carries he's had was against Cincinnati and then
he gives us a blowhand right. Fourteen carries for fifty
eight yards. But that's the only game this season he
said double digit carries. He's got to get double digit
carries this game, isn't he.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
I'm not sure that he is. Like, like I'm saying,
I think they I think they keep him in Bidet
in the same roles, and they write William McLoughlin in
in sort of the JK role because JK wasn't I mean,
there were some pass pro stuff that he that he did,
but he's really the first down guy. You know, he's
there to rip off, you know, six to eight yards
on first down, and then we forget he exists for
a while and then come back to him. RJ's there
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to you know, to be a mismatch guy. You move
him around a little bit, you give Hi a few carries,
You move him out into the you know, into the
you know, into the into the slot, and see what
he could do out there if you know, if you can,
you can make the box lighter. However, he goes, and
then Benet's in on third down. I mean it's I
don't I don't really. I mean, we'll see, but I'm
not sure that Harvey. I'm not sure that people who
are banking on a huge week in terms of carries
from Harvey, that's not Sean Payon's offense anyway, I mean,
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JK leading the way with what fifteen carries a game.
I mean, I'm not sure that Harvey's in for a
huge day.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
So I say all that, and I think, on surface,
I would agree with you until Sean said this yesterday,
and now I'm tilting more towards a bigger role for RJ.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
Harvey on the ground.
Speaker 5 (07:15):
When we drafted him, it was his running skill set.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
Man, he had a lot of touches. I was just
kidding with him earlier.
Speaker 5 (07:22):
And then you have experienced in a guy like Juliel
who's explosive and and and has been chomping at the bit,
and so sometimes players are not held back. But when
you you know, you're watching Pat Brian grow right in
front of our eyes and and you're starting to see
that with RJ. And obviously you'll have more more opportunities
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here in this game. So he's built when you see
his frame, he's built to last, and that's that's important.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
So when he said that, I had a bit of
a reframe, like, okay, drafted and second round we believed
in your running ability. In fact, that was something that
was kind of, I mean a little bit underutilized.
Speaker 5 (08:06):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
There at a UCF, right, he uh, he kind of
averaged like one to two catches a game out there
at UCF. Now he's a bigger role in the passing
offense here. And I remember when we talked to him
on draft now he said, hey, my hands are underrated,
like I'm looking forward to showing that I had that ability.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
But just look at his last few.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Games there UCF twenty carries for one to nineteen, sixteen
for one thirty, twenty five for one twenty seven, twenty
two for one eighty four, sixteen for one twenty seven.
So you get the point here is Sean views this
guy as a legit we can run you running back
rather than just a change of pace guy. But they've
only used him that way, and I think partly because
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of what JK has brought to the running game. And remember,
you didn't have JK here, And I know you know
that I'm saying, like you didn't have JK here when
you drafted RJ. Harvey. There was this like, Okay, is R. J.
Harvey like the guy for this offense? And then I
think they always had the plan and intention to bring
in JK.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
Either way, it was Himer Nick Chobb and they wound
up going with the right one.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
But then once you get them in the building and
you see Jk's got some juice, Well, you can't deny that.
You can't deny the fact that JK looks like the
better running back right like right at the moment.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
Yeah, And JK is a running back. The difference is
r J. Harvey is a converted quarterback and he's playing
in Gus Maleson's offense. And if you guys know anything
about Gus Maleson's offense, it's QB veer and those those
running backs are bouncing stuff outside. Uh, it's it's to
draw away from, you know, from the from the quarterback
running inside.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
And so you know, I don't think that RJ has
developed the.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
NFL running back skill set in terms of being in
between the tackles, let my block set up, versus what
he did in college, which was I'm running to the
wide side of the field and I'm fast enough, I'm
on boat race everybody. And so I think that's a
part of it. JK has incredible vision and patients. We
talked about this earlier with Davis here. Like one of
the things, as I said about him, when when I
saw the first couple of weeks, I'm like, man, this
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guy's got This guy's like left Bell, he lets everything
set up. You know. Levo Bell famously would say he
only ran about forty percent because he let everything set
up in front of him. Then he take off and
JK kind of does the same thing. He lets stuff
set up and before he takes off and use this
being other different sizes and they have different things a game,
but they both had that same like let it set
up kind of thing, and that's that's generally what separates
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guys that are that are good or great in this
league in terms of playing that position, certainly.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
But back to the kind of original point, and we'll
hear from Joe Lombardi talking about RJ. But you just
haven't seen a lot of it here with the Broncos,
like a role where he is a.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
Starting running back, I think, But I think those are
tied together. I don't think he has developed the patients.
And maybe maybe he has, and we just haven't seen
it in a game. He's saying, but I haven't seen
it practice where he's where he's We didn't see it
in training camp for sure, but that was how many
months ago, right, so what I'm trying to get it
just like has The question is has r J. Harvey
developed that sort of patient is to let the blocking
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set up. And if he has, then he'll be fine
and he will have that kind of role. If not,
then you're probably using him to the edges on outsidees.
I'll want to stretch your toss whatever. And Jaliel, who
has run between the tackles before despite his diminutive size,
probably gets those carries.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
Now here's Joel Lombardi talking about RJ. Harvey getting a
bigger role.
Speaker 6 (11:16):
Yeah, he's just a guy that's growing right before our
eyes and you know, smart player, and we talked about
it before, talented and you know, well we'll see what happens.
But you know, if he does get more reps, I
think it'll be good for him. You know, it's a
it's a position that's hard when you've got a lot
of guys that are good, you know, getting them all
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their fair share of touches. And you know, I think
if his workload increases, you know we're going to see
his production increase and be real excited about it.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
I mean, they really do like him.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
So now you heard Joe Lombardi couching it with if there,
so he left it open for the possibility that his
role may say the same. So you had on one hand,
Sean Payton yesterday saying we've drafted him to be a
running back. We drafted him because of his ability.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
To run the ball.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
And then you have Joel Lombardi more hinting at him
being like more or less in his role that he's
been in this offense.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
So that's going to be sort of fascinating to watch.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
And he also, by the way, Joel Lombardi hinting at
the other talented running backs that they have, and they
do expect to have Jeelil McLoughlin available for this game.
He didn't really get a chance to show us very
much versus the Jets. We know he has more, but
he's been the healthy scratch. He's been the odd man
out this entire season. I don't know if this is
the time and this is the opponent that you suddenly
want to fire things up, but we'll say, in the
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element of surprise, that would be the surprise that all
of a sudden, Jealil McLoughlin is the guy that you
end up leaning on, and he breaks a couple of
long runs against the Kansas City Chiefs.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
Yeah, I mean Jaliel whatever else do you think of him?
And he is dominative and he's not really a guy
you can use in pass pro, but he has run
the ball fairly effectively, you know, when he's gotten the
opportunities to do it. So I think the thing that
makes the most sense to me is in this game,
you just put him in the JK role and keep
everything else the same and see where you're at now.
If that doesn't work, then you have to migrate, and
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you've got a bye week to do it. You have
to migrate RJ. Harvey to something else because I'll tell
you now, JK is gonna be on multiple weeks. You
can be multiple games. You know. I don't think he's
gonna be able for the Washington game. We'll see, they're
gonna try it out with you know, see if the
carbon fiber insert and all that kind of stuff. I
don't think he's gonna be there for that. I think
it's going to be a couple of games. So you know,
you're right now, you're just trying to you don't want
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to reconfigure things around RJ. Harvey and then just put
him right back in that role after one two games, right,
So I think right now the easiest thing to do
is to sit there and say, Okay, we got you
have to learn this role, and that's that.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Let me throw one more thing on R. J. Harvey
val you, and then we'll get to the text line.
We got a lot of text coming in here on
the Ka Commas Sprigs health text line. Is there something
too wanting to bump his confidence? RJ.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Harvey's confidence, especially knowing that he has had such a
limited role in the Running game.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
And I'm saying, you know, you don't force it. You
don't force r J.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Harvey, but you say, we have this designed role for you,
which is gonna be pretty similar workload to what JK.
Dobbins gets, just for the argument's sake of it, and
say we believe in you, We think you are capable
of being this guy. Sean Payton just said it right there.
We drafted you'd be a running back and to run
the ball. We have not given you that opportunity. But
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here's the game where we get a chance to see
what you can do. And you know what, if he
does shine in this role, that's only going to be
more valuable for this team down the stretch, especially because
they really are better when they have a focused running tack.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
They have been better at every single turn.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
This season when they have had running And you know
what we pointed out earlier about the disparity in running
from the first half to the second half, Well, guess
what if you have two legitimate starting caliber running backs
right now, you're only going to have one one and
a half. Maybe then you're gonna be that kind of
offense in December and January when you want to be.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
I get we're going with that. I just don't think
Argie's like guy, I don't. I don't think he. I
think he brings to the table what JK brings to
the table. And that's not to say that Jalil doesn't either,
But I mean, look, Rji's got fifty carries this year.
Only six of those have gone for first downs, right, Like,
that's not that's not the same, That's not what you're
looking for there. Now, he's had some game breaking success
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and obviously he's got what six seven six six touchdowns
seven touchdowns or.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Six weight RJ.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
Yeah, between the receiving the rushing, he's six or seven
touchdowns he has.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
He's got three receiving and he's got four receiving.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Okay, I think no, he does. I'm sorry to look
at his college. There's the question how many does he
have rushing? And I can't if it's two or three. Yeah,
he's two rushing and four season six.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
There you go, and he's I mean that's I mean,
I think you just leave him in the same role.
He is a great receiver. I think he's just right now,
has a very specific niche and how he runs the ball.
And they look at the bus stuff when guys get tired,
they look the bus stuff on the outside with him
and use the speed. I don't know, like he's not
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showing a propensity for between the tackle running or letting
the block set up, moving the pile, those kinds of things.
I'm not saying he can't do it. I'm here. I'm
with you, like, let's see it. I guess. But if
it were me and I were putting this together, the
easiest thing for me to do would be to call
up to Lee and say, you're taking Jk's role. Everybody
else stays the safe, so nobody else has learned anything new.
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We're not switching things on the fly.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
I do that.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
I guess the division rule, Like that's the way I
would look at it now, Sean, And I don't see.
I had a lot of things, which is probably why
I'm a dork with a microphone and he's a head
coach in the NFL. But I'm just saying, like, for me,
it would seem like that would be the way to go.
My question is when you need a yard, what are
we doing when it's third and three, third and two
and a half?
Speaker 2 (16:42):
What are we doing? Are we running bow up the middle?
Speaker 3 (16:45):
Because that's the biggest guy we got at this point,
unless we're putting Adam Prentiss back there.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
It's a good point. And that's really what.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
I'm wondering is if Adam Prentiss is going to get
a bigger role. He's played that back before. Yeah, Like,
is he going to.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
Get a bigger role because that's the only.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
Running back we have the ways more than two five
A couple.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Of texts here on the Kwa Kamas spirt Hell tech line.
Again we have Paul de Podesta joining Voice of the Rockies,
Jack Corgan coming up after the break here at the
bottom of the hour. This one maybe not a must win,
but this has to be a statement game.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
Can they beat the Chiefs? Can the offense get it together?
Speaker 3 (17:16):
Come on, I.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
Actually agree with everything you're saying there. Yeah, I actually
agree with everything. I think.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
I'm more talking about standings and I'm talking about ultimately,
how much does this it changes things?
Speaker 2 (17:30):
To think from a narrative perspective.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Right, there's a vibes that could be gained if you
beat the Chiefs, not only naturally but also locally and
especially heading into a bye week.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
This is not a must win from the playoff picture perspective.
This is a must win from the we want to
establish an identity. You know that if you want to
use the term must win, and that's coming off.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Of the Raiders game and the national sort of it
hesitates the embarrassment because that's not to be actually fair
because you didn't win that game, but it was embarrassing
playing the way you did.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
You had nine to three and outs. It was it
was a mess.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Offensively, you want to show that the duro you have
a lot more competency there. The defense is gonna show up.
The defense is gonna play tough against the Chiefs, And honestly,
if they can hold him under twenty points, the Broncos
have a very good shot at winning this game.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Can they do that? I don't know that it's gonna
be tough.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Chiefs really are a good team right now, despite the
fact that Patrick Mahomes had a very bad game against
the Buffalo Bills just a couple of weeks ago. But
from a vibe standpoint, from a narrative standpoint, you yeah,
you'd love to have this one.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
And the end of the day, here's the thing. Do
you believe we can hold the Chiefs under twenty Because
that's a very tough ask. Ben Joseph has he has before,
but it's a very okay and you know that question.
Then you do you believe the Broncos can score more
than twenty? And those really are the questions at the
end of the.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
Day, all right, this is our chance to win one
thousand dollars.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
Coming up the next five minutes thanks to Mercedes Beens
of Lilton Mercedeslyilton dot Com, Paul de Podesta, President Baseball
Operations for the Colorado Rockies, and Voice of the Rockies
Jack Corgan. Coming up next, of course, Broncos Country Tonight.
Coming to the top of the hour with Grant Smith
and Nick Ferguson, looking forward to their conversation as well.
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Five six six nine zeros or KWA common Spirit health
text line. We'll get back to the text line here
in second uh and before we get to the interview here,
we just found out h Shohail Tani won his fourth
MVP moments ago. He captured all thirty first place votes
from the Baseball Writers Association of America. It so his
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fourth MVP over the past five years.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
I check this out.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
He's also the only player among the four major American
professional sports with more than one unanimous MVP. He's the
first player in MLB, NBA, NHL, and NFL history to
win both an MVP and a championship in each of
his first.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Two seasons with the team. Humm, gotch thing. Geez know,
he might have a future in this thing, just you know,
throwing that out there.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
It's I wonder what the odds were on that.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
Of course, you of course gambling problem.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
That joke was layered. Yeah, I'm sure it was. Yeah,
I get the layers on that too, but yeah, I mean,
holy cow, four m vps. They just want a championship.
The Dodgers are many. They're a wagon and and of
course a continuing to improve. I mean, it's it's gonna
be tough here for the Rockies playing in that division.
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It's so that's where the whole moneyball thing makes it makes.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
It interesting, Like if I can get compete dollar for dollar,
how can we stretch our dollars?
Speaker 1 (20:33):
That's exactly right. There was kind of an interesting moment,
is uh. Paul de Podesta, our new president of baseball
Operations for the Rockies, was introduced today with Walker Montfort
and Dick Montfort. Dick Montfort was asked about his role
like going forward. He kind of quipped, like, it feels
like they're kind of forcing me out, and he got
a laugh, got a laugh, and then he said he's
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he's kind of there to support the process. Like it
sounds to me based on the way Walker Montfort and
Paul de Potenza we're talking, is like that's going to
be the focus going forward, Like those guys are kind
of running things now. It's there for institutional knowledge exactly exactly.
And now Walker mo Offert he eased to acknowledge, Hey, listen,
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I got a lot to learn in this role. I mean,
Paul reports to Walker and then everybody reports to Dick.
But in the end, the day to day operations of
this thing, the structure of the whole thing, it starts with.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
Those two guys. And I don't know. I haven't to
just ask you before we hear the interview, like what
did you think.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
Of the higher It can't get worse. It literally cannot
get worse. You know. I went out there on a
limb during the season and said, you need to get
somebody in here who's got experienced top down. I suggested
a DECKI Kuriyama comes from, obviously the Japanese baseball just
thinking way outside the box, but I get it, like,
this is the sort of move I suggested that the
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Rockies should make. It's not the exact one because I
didn't think that was a realistic possibility, but I'm certainly intrigued.
Eyes are going to be on the Rockies to see
if this works out well.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
Here was the Conversation exclusive interview with Jack Corgan, Voice
the Rockies and new President of Baseball Operations Paul de
beat Paul de Podesta.
Speaker 4 (22:14):
Chance to visit with the Rockies new President of Baseball Operations,
Paul Deepotesta and Paul one of the things that I
noticed at the introductory news conference here is the twofold
if you will one, the confidence you have in the challenge,
and then.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
The excitement you have about this challenge. No, absolutely, I think.
Speaker 7 (22:37):
It's unique, you know, in all of sports, and it's
not easy.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
But that's part of the fun, right I think it's
part of the fun.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
You know.
Speaker 7 (22:45):
I talked to a lot of my friends in baseball,
and almost all the ones I saw at the GMS
meetings in these last couple of days, they.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
All were a little jealous. You have to be able to.
Speaker 7 (22:54):
Take on a challenge like this, so you know, I've
said it before, I'm a bit of a sucker for
a challenge, and I think this is a great one
to take on.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
One of the things that people may not realize that
your breadth of experience in multiple sports kind of puts
you in a unique spot, if you will, where you've
had all these experiences to gather information and now to
attempt it as the boss if you will, to make
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it happen.
Speaker 7 (23:25):
No, absolutely, I've been super fortunate, I mean, five different
Major League Baseball teams and then getting over the course
of twenty years and then getting to spend a decade in.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
The NFL, an unusual path to say the least.
Speaker 7 (23:36):
But no, I'm anxious to do that exactly as you said,
to take all those different experiences, all the learnings, not
only from all those people great people, and all those
different organizations, but even from the different leagues, and what
are things that we can learn from my experience in
the NFL and hopefully turn those into competitive advantages here
for the Rockies.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
When you were with the other teams that you have
worked for in Major League Baseball, you alluded to it
during the news conference about the the challenge of coresfield
and teams dreading it when they came in. There's a
little bit of the challenge on the at home side,
if you will, of the people that have to deal
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with altitude and see level and back on a day
to day basis. I'm sure you have ideas, but it's
it's part of that challenge that you talked about relishing.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
No doubt.
Speaker 7 (24:28):
I mean, look, I think when when things are going well,
you know you can you can turn this into an unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Home field advantage.
Speaker 7 (24:34):
When things aren't going so well, it can, you know,
you start looking at as an obstacle.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
You know, to your success. So hopefully we can be.
Speaker 7 (24:42):
The former, you know, instead of the ladder and really
use this to our advantage and say, hey, when people
come in here, they're going to have to play our game,
and they're going to have to play our you know,
against our guys, and it's it's not going to be
fun for them, you know, and and they're just going
to want to survive these three or four days.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
So that's where we want to get to.
Speaker 4 (24:58):
Certainly, there's going to be an amalgamation of people already
in house and folks you will bring in to work
with you on the front office side, if you will.
But certainly the number one job I would think right
now is deciding on who's going to be your field
leader in that manager spot, and then the staff that
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that person's going to assemble.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
Now, I think that's exactly right.
Speaker 7 (25:22):
There's been a bunch of turnover already this year in
Major League Baseball. A number of other managers have already
been hired, so I think we're anxious to get going
on that. It's such an important piece of the entire puzzle,
not just the manager, but then really the entire coaching staff.
So I think it's critical that we address that, you know,
as soon as we can, and then we can start
worrying about, you know, some of the other spots. Look,
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we're still months away from playing a game, so that
you know, we're not in.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
Too big of a rush.
Speaker 7 (25:47):
But at the same time, we want to make sure
we get that one right and get it in place,
because I think that'll help set the tone for some
other things we want to do.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
The challenge throughout the thirty three years that the Rockies
have played in Major League Baseball has been not only
how the game is different here, but then how the
game changes when the ball club goes away from altitude.
I would assume Paul, that the person you select and
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as you mold a roster of players, trying to find
that group and a philosophy that could play anywhere.
Speaker 7 (26:26):
I think that's right. And look, it's it's hard. I'm
not blind to that challenge. You know, it's hard to
play on the road anyway.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
You know, whether it's the NFL or Major League Baseball.
You know, the best teams in the leagues are are
good on the road. They're great at home. Right, So
we at least we know that that's a challenge. There
are Rockies teams that have been good on the road.
Speaker 7 (26:47):
Some of these playoff teams have you know, they've had
winning records on the road. So I'll say this, I
know it's possible, right, And I think that's got to
be our mindset.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
That it's absolutely possible.
Speaker 7 (26:56):
And you know, if we build the right roster, we
build the right culture, and even maybe the right processes
in place to help them acclimate, you know, as they
go in and out of altitude. Again, I don't have
all those answers, but like I said, I know it's possible,
So we're going to strive to do it again.
Speaker 4 (27:10):
Well on behalf of the KOA Rockies Radio Network and
all the fans who love this team. Welcome to you
and your family here in Denver. We're excited to see
what's going to happen.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
Paul, Yeah, thanks so much. We're really happy to be here.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
A really good conversation there with Voice the Rockies Jack
Corgan and new Baseball President Baseball Operations Paul deep Podesta.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
We'll get an interview up a KWA Colorado dot com.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
And again, I love his quote earlier today saying this
has the chance to be the best home field advantage
in all of baseball. I can't even imagine in my
mind right now what that would look like if the
Rockies had a great home field advantage, because right now
it feels like Wow, when the Cubs are in town
or the Keys are in town, you know, that becomes
the home field advantage. The home field advantage is visiting
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teams and visiting fans. Boy, if you can win consistently
at home, I'll tell you what, that is a massive game.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
Grantay Hawkey never misses.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
I don't know. The actors are the news for the
rug reasons that I.
Speaker 3 (28:18):
Think I don't believe. Yeah, I think he's gonna be out.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
Okay, Okay, I just saw the headlines.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
I think she was lying.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
Nor really I believe all women.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
But I had a friend of mine that says she's
not trustworthy.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
All right, Well that's some some news on KWA News
that we we broke.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
Just now there you go, Oh.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
Goeat Thursday night football. We'll pick this game here in
a second.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
The Patriots are eight and two, and I guess a
little bit of our rooting interest here would be in
the Jets, but not for your justin field sucks, so.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
This is the weird fun for you, because we all should.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Be as in Broncos country, pulling for the Jets tonight
to upset the Patriots who are eight and two.
Speaker 3 (29:02):
We have no hope whatsoever. Yeah, that's probably not gonna happen. Right,
the will Justin Fields get to one hundred passing yard?
Speaker 2 (29:09):
It is a difisicating. We just got the bat on it. No,
don't even chase with him. They don't chase with Ben.
He's baiting you.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
Zach's face is great though, Yeah, your ears his eyes
went up for a second there, he was hungry for that.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Actuallyyeah, I was just upset that Jami's got to start
over you run.
Speaker 3 (29:27):
I was like, I was about to text him something
when I knew Dart was out with the concussion, and
then I didn't. I was like, wait a minute, it's
gonna be my luck that I text him, and then
they're gonna start Jamis. And so I've I laid back
on that one, thankfully, And here we are been eating
the tweet.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Oh it had been brutal. That be so brutal for you.
So yeah, go.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
Justin Fields, go New York Jets tonight. And I'm sorry Ben,
you're just gonna take one for the team.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
Sure, I'll root for him all through the fifteen million
incompletions and you know, three and a half points they
come up with, they scored a half point. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
I don't think he'll.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
Even throw that much to get to that many incompletions.
Remember eleven passes this now in a win, what's ted
up and incomplete?
Speaker 2 (30:10):
Five of them? More five incompletions.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
He had Here's what four games this year he has
less than sixty passing yards?
Speaker 2 (30:16):
You did throw for a touchdown? The old games, we
had a Shelby on they had It was a.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
Couple of games ago. They had Brice Hole throw the
ball when it got to the end zone because they
didn't trst him.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
We has Shelby on of course, plays with the Browns.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
Huh. And I was asking him about how weird that
game was. He's like, there's no passing game. It's you
don't even know what to say. Which offense was he
talking about?
Speaker 3 (30:37):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (30:39):
Oh, I am all right.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
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under forty three and a half both Dave and Nick. Well,
by the way, Nick six and oh.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
So he's Nick's gonna Peter this week and he won
last morning one last week, so he's he nipped me
at the last minute.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
I think, you.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Know, beg convinced that day. But whatever confirmed me if
you ain't first your last? Who put it that way? Uh? Well,
Dave and Nick are taking the Patriots mins twelve and
a half in the over, Nick six and oh, Daves
three and three. So that basically means wait here, we'll
take me over.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Yeah, Oh, I apologize the under. Yeah, I say I
should learn to read. I was just gonna say, all right,
but do you want to know what I I mean? Well,
I mean I'm just gonna go opposite. I have to
go opposite. So there's nothing, there's a lot else to
play for. I'll take the Jets and the under.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
Give me the Jets.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
He's gonna win the Jets and the overs. The over
because you.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
Gotta have mathematic where you have to do that.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Yeah, there's has.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Gotta be a rooting interest in this tonight, Greg, what's
coming up on the show tonight?
Speaker 7 (31:55):
Rick Lewis Gold our favorite Kansas City Chiefs reporter on BCT,
and then bre Mastas going to talk a little buffs.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
Yeah, it's weird. You knew exactly what was going to
happen on the show.
Speaker 2 (32:06):
No mystery guests when I'm hosting. Nope, all right, very good, Grant,
great job has always been.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
Thanks for sitting in today. Yep, appreciate it. We'll be
back to Bore three o'clock VCT next
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