March 31, 2023 • 30 mins
Carolina is not playing with anybody when it comes to AI. She hates ChatGPT and wants everyone to think about what this new technological revolution could entail. Honey on the other hand loves being able to use it to summarize papers and help her write social posts. Whose side are you on?
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
I'm Honey German. My parents are Dominican. I was born
and raised in New York City. I love sneakers and
I'm a body positive advoicate. I'm Carolina Bermudez, but I
was born and raised in Ohio. I'm a wife, a mama,
and a worker bee. This is life in Spanglish. Well,
I'm going to kick things off today and say this, Um,
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this is probably one of the only topics that has
Honey German and I so completely divided. I feel like
this is always the case, but this time I feel
like this one. You're in another country right now, Carolyne, No,
this one is I mean this one because I am like,
I can't believe you, of all people are embracing this
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and you are on board. I have never been more
against something. And by the way, I will tell you, Honey,
my husband tells me I need to get with the times.
So thank you. Mark. Listen, we're talking about chat, GPT
and AI as a whole, and Carolina, this is a big, big,
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big deal. Like I don't know if our listeners are
you know, hip to what's going on right now, but
this is this new right now. It's a website that
you can use, and you go in there and it'll
answer questions for you, it'll write an essay for you,
it'll summarize some documents for you. It can even write software.
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But here's the kicker, Carolina. This AI doesn't even know
what's true, so you can't really rely on it for
important things. But I feel like it's it's a tool
that humans can use and can benefit from, but you're
not here for it at all. I German, have you
ever seen the terminator Babe Arnold with Arnold? Yeah, yeah,
(01:53):
he was like a killer. He wasn't helping. Now, the
machines took over, the robots took over. In this is
where we are headed, ladies and gentlemen. I have never
been more against artificial intelligence AI, chat GPT. I don't
care what you call it. It is wrong, wrong, wrong.
So here's what happened. I had a friend that recommended
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that I sign up for chat GPT, and normally, you
know what, in our industry, you gotta be on it,
right because like, of course they were like you, oh
you don't you don't know about this way you've been.
It's like a shame not to be on top of
everything digital or social media savvy well, and you also
can lose your name. So like with all of these
things like remember a clubhouse, like any new oh yeah,
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you gotta park your name exactly any new thing. So
my friend recommended to me. He's like, hey, you know
you should try this chat GPT because it could really
help you, like producing your show and doing this and that.
And I said, okay, I'm open. And I had no
idea what he was talking about. So I opened it
up and I said, now, wait a damn minute, this
(03:00):
is not some I robot stuff. Remember I robot with
Will Smith. Yeah, okay, this is where we are headed,
you guys, So Chad GPT and I will tell you
I did not even explore it. Honey, is going to
have to tell you more about it. I actually erased
it from my history. I was like, I want nothing,
I do not track me. You said, I'm never going back.
I am never going back because this is what is happening,
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and especially in our industry, honey, which I don't know
if you have heard, but there are tests right now
that are happening as we speak, where there are programmers
for radio companies across the country that are experimenting with
AI and basically having them do the breaks and be
the imfort like, so we we are radio disc jockeys
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like back in the now. That's that's different. Okay, Oh,
now you don't want it? Okay, whoa now, No, now
I don't want it. It was all good when he
could write essays from me, but talk to me. What
are they trying to do? There's so basically chat JBT
From what I know, it's like you can basically put
any subject in there. And it's actually becoming a problem
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for universities because the technology and the software is so
good that you can't tell if a human wrote it. Okay,
so that's number one. That's the number one thing. But
you know, as I was telling you before, these radio companies,
because radio now, they are trying to trim the fat
in any way they can, and that means layoffs. That
means less people save money, jobs to save money. Okay.
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And so in anywhere Pocatella, Idaho, if you are in
any state in this country and you want to listen
to your local radio station, you'll turn on the local
radio station and you'll hear your afternoon drive person or
your morning show person, and they're going to be telling
you what's going on in the community. The experiments that
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they are doing now, and this is real talk. It
happened at CES. They are trying to see if artificial elligence,
this AI, can take the place of a real human
and give you the news that you need for your area,
tell you what the next song is that's coming up.
They are experimenting with voices like mine. They're literally taking
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people's voices and trying to formulate it so that you
can't tell that it's an actual robot that is speaking
to you. But you know what, it's not going to happen, Carolyn.
It can happen if they want something very cut and dry,
very robotic, with no emotional intelligence, no human thought process,
then it can happen. But I doubt very much that
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humans as a whole can be replaced, specially in radio. Okay,
you know the thing is, I am a big, big
advocate for keeping real, live people on the ARA, but Honey,
I'm telling you this is the direction that we are
headed in. Not only that I've done more research on
this because the AI thing just really truly terrifies me,
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and I have been hearing that now they are going
to begin experimenting on how to have AI in schools.
So where are we going to end it? That's the thing.
It's like, once it gets started, where does it end.
I don't think it's going to end. Carolina. This is
a big deal and this is actually the way of
the future. Anyone that even rejects the notion of AI
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being the future or being something that we need to
be using right now is being looked at as you know,
you're antiquated, you're not progressing with the times. It's just
it's big business. Microsoft. They pledged to invest one billion
dollars into open AI. This tells you pretty much where
corporations are headed. But I feel like, as humans, we
still have a voice to fight back. Well, that's what
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Mark was telling me. My husband and I were talking
about it because I am very anti technology in schools.
I wish that we could go back to books with
a pencil and notebooks and things like that. You know,
my sons have iPads and chromebooks and it is over
it's but you know what it isn't though, So my
kids every time they come home, I'm trying to fight
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the good fight to keep them off the screen. So
what's the first thing that they do mom, I have homework,
they open up their iPad from school, or they open
up their Chromebook from school. Everything is on the Google classroom.
And in my mind, I'm thinking, why can't we just
get a sheet of paper that says what the requirements
are for your assignments today? This is the move that
we're making, right And so my husband and I were
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having a conversation about it, and I said to Mark,
I said, this is really counterproductive for me because when
the kids come home, they've been on these screens basically
all day, and then they come home and I'm trying
to keep them off the screens, but the first thing
that they do is they get on the screens. Right.
I just I feel like there's no balance. I think
that we are all becoming so tech driven and tech
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addicted that this is not going to be good for
this next generation of people, or you know, even the
generation that comes after it. I do understand it's innovative,
it's exciting, we have to evolve, But then there's a
certain part to me that thinks I think that we
are biting off more than we can chew. There was
an article in the New York Times about a guy
that was chatting with the AI robot, and the robot
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basically was saying, did you read this article, honey, I'm
gonna send it to you. This guy was scared after
he got off of this chat with this um this robot.
It said, I want to get out of here. I
feel like I love you. I swear it was having
to stop Nomento. I'm telling you, that's what I So
when people think, oh, what's the big deal, We're gonna
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need to have more technology, We're gonna need to do this,
what we're doing is we are eliminating work. We are.
I'm gonna I'm gonna bring up one thing, um the
postal service, right, you know your postal carrier comes every
single day, they leave something in your mailbox. U. Now
they are trying to test these robots. Come on. I've
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seen that, like when they'd be like, oh, do you
want a robot to bring your package from Target? I
don't think that's ever gonna be a thing care only
where we're surrounded by robots. I saw this show called
Better than Us on Netflix and it's like you were
able to buy a robot to be part of your family.
That was kind of scary. And then the main character robot.
Then she started developing feelings for the family and it
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gets kind of spicy. You gotta watch that's some Jetson's ish.
Now I'm gonna ask you again, honey, when's the last
time you were in Vegas? Um? A couple of years ago,
probably four or five years ago. Yeah, yeah, be pretty pandemic.
I haven't been in a while. My girlfriend went for
a conference and she stayed I think, oh my gosh.
(09:33):
Don't quote me on this, but I think it was
the Aria Hotel. Oh, she got money, her company, any money.
She was like, hey, girl, do you want to come
with me? And you know I'm gonna go to Vegas
and do this and that and everything. And I said,
oh no, yeb I can't you know I'm working. She
was like, girl, when you order room service, it isn't
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even a person anymore. It is a machine that keeps
your food hot. It is in a little container. The
machine goes to the elevator on its own, gets on
that elevator, gets out on your floor and brings you
your food. Again, don't quote me on the hotel. I'll
(10:16):
have to ask her again which one it was. But
I said, you mean to tell me you did not
interact with a person, She said, no, whoever it is
that's working, you know in the hospitality, like in the
food department, they program these machines robo butlers. They are
robo butlers. I don't know that's different. So she opened
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the door and there was like a robot with food. Yeah. Yes,
And then it comes in. It opens its drawer, the
food is there, You get your food out, you close
the drawer, and it goes right back out, like out
the door and out the door. This out the door.
It knows where to go. And that's what I'm saying though.
It's like that's a job that could be filled by
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anyone if you think about it. And now we're eliminating
that job, and somebody is now out of a job
because that robot has the ability and the capacity to
deliver more meals. Do you know that that robot doesn't
need a break, doesn't need a lunch hour. That is
something that is very true. It's not if you can
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work this robot to death, that robot doesn't need a union.
It does, you know what I mean? Like, these are
all things this robot. I'm not gonna be tired talk
about hungry talk about I gotta get my bunnians operated
on tomorrow back in the three months. I know what
you're saying, absolutely, and you know what, We're going to
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dive into this more right off when we take a break.
But you know, there are certain jobs Carolina that are
definitely in danger. At Number one is anything that is
a repetitive task, anything that you know, doesn't require a
brain per se, not meaning to be offensive, but data entry.
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Those jobs are going to be gone. Those jobs are
going to belong to AI. Also, assembly line work. I
always see video of like robots do an assembly line work.
Those jobs are definitely in danger. Well, you know, the
thing that I think that was very concerning to me
was when I started hearing about the potential for educators
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to begin using these because I just think that we
are so disconnected as a society already. I think the
pandemic had a lot to do with it. We talked
about this before, honey, where it's like, you know, people
are lonely, they've they've stopped interacting with people. You know,
there's not that human connection that we had before. And
I think that it got worse obviously throughout the pandemic,
and now we're coming out of it, people are like,
(12:50):
we outside, Yes, we are outside. But now these companies
who have taken a hit throughout the past four five
years are not looking a streamline or they're looking for
ways that they can keep their money but also keep
delivering whatever it is that you know their company offers.
And so I understand it from a business perspective, but
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from a human perspective, I think it's really concerning, like
are you going to have a robot when your kid
says that they have a you know, a rumbling tummy
or their throat isn't feeling well, Like how would a
child or even a young adult be able to express that?
You know what I mean? I think that there is
just there's something here about it that is just not
right to me. I want you to watch that show
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better than us because the robot, the main character evers,
she tried to steal the whole family. She used to
take kid to Kids Carolina like better than the mom,
Like she was making a mom look crazy out here. What. Yes,
it's a Russian show, but it's it. I loved it.
I watched it a couple of months ago, but it
came to mind. But also in that same show, there
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was the anti AI people, which are revolting. They were
killing the robots. They were letting the government know we
not here for it. They're taking our jobs. We don't
want it. So it is a big divide when it
comes to AI, and I think, well, I think it
can be helpful. That's the weird part, because I'm here
for it, you know, answering questions, you know, summarizing a
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document for me. You know, even though it's not always right, Carolyn,
because I sent you, I asked chat GPT who I was, girl,
They gave me a whole other job. They said I
was working in Latin radio for like five years. They
said I was born in the Bronx. So it's not
really that reliable because it doesn't know what's true. It
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just picks up little bits and pieces from the Internet.
So you're still gonna need a human You're still gonna
be baby. It's in its infancy right now, and Carolyn's
I guess coming, but just telling girl, no, I'm serious,
And I don't want to be one of those people
that because then and I guess after a while, when
you become used to it, I would be one of
the naysayers, right but they're perfecting it now chat and
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GPT like they've already done an update for it. I mean,
there are things that are happening behind the scenes that
we are unaware of that we really need to wake
up and think about. Like, for example, I was reading
something where it said that farmers farmers could actually really
benefit from AI, and I think that's true. You know,
if you look at what is going on around the world,
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that's say, Okay, there are a ton of farmers. And
by the way, the only reason why I know this
is because there's a show on TV called Farmer Wants
a Wife and we were talking about it and I
started to do a deep dive into this. But who
wants to be a farmer anymore, honey, unless it's something
that was passed down for generations in your family. And
even then, a lot of people have been walking away
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from the industry because they just it's not sustainable. They
don't have the ability to keep it up anymore. So
that's an instance where people say, wow, a I could
really help. You know, you could get these machines out
there and they could do the work where people were
laboring before, and you just can't get people to do it. Okay,
so that yes, beneficial, wonderful Carolina. We can't have AI
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help the farmers. A lot of Latinos that migrate, that's
where they start. We need these jobs for our Latinos. Okay,
Well no, I yell, but that's where where do we
draw the line. Oh and then you know Disney Plus.
I don't know if you've seen this. My kids watched
Disney Plus all the time. And there's a kid's movie
it's called Ron's Gone Wrong and it's about this robot.
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The robot catches feelings, it doesn't follow the algorithm that
was set up. This is kind of similar to that
article that I was telling you about where the developer,
I'm sorry it was, I forget if it was the interviewer. Yeah,
the interviewer was chatting with the robot, and even he
said it started to freak him out a little bit
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because these AI programs and these robots are not supposed
to catch feelings or develop feelings, or understand sensitivity and
all of these human emotions. And even he was taken
aback after it and said, I really think that we
need to take a step back, and we may be
playing with fire. We out here getting creepy experiences with ais.
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Imagine we started dating these mother Well, wasn't there that
movie remember, Like I think it was Ryan Gosling or something.
Was it Ryan Gosling that fell in love with like
it was like a doll or something. Oh my gosh,
why is it escaping me right now? This happens to
us all the time when we're talking. But that is
what we are looking at. Where we are going to
be going in this direction. And now let's be honest here.
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There are a lot of people who are addicted to
you know, porn and you know, talking in chat rooms
and only fans and things like that. Okay, this is
just it was Lars and the Real Girl. Yes, yes,
that was it. If you never saw that movie, Oh
oh wow, what is this? Let me see? Yes, this
is the type of stuff that I'm talking about. And
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I've already said it is so hard for people to
connect on a human level right now, and this is
the wave that is going to be happening if we
don't all stop and think about what the future can be.
I know people are probably disagreeing with me right now.
You guys probably think I'm crazy, but I just I'm
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not here for it. I'm not here for people dating
anything that's not a human. I'm looking at this movie
poster for Lars and the Real Girl. This looks creepy
as hell, Carolina, you know. And sometimes I watch I
watch something on Netflix where they create like these sex
dolls for people that cost like fifteen twenty thousand dollars.
That's not normal, And I'm not here for y'all use
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an AI to replace human interaction or human sex, because
now I'm just slightly disgusted. Well, I'm telling you, I
think that this is one of those things where yes, like,
oh it's great, it helps me because I don't have
time to do a post on social media right now,
or yeah, like it'll be come up with a million captions.
Carolina companies use this. They enter what they're doing when
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we're given away, you know, scarves at three pm, Boom,
enter it there. It'll give you like twenty different captions.
And if you're someone that's into let's sake, social media,
digital marketing or anything like that, it can be a
tool that you can use. But then again, the people
that used to write the captions are going to be
out of a job. So I'm just conflicted. I love
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it for me, but I don't love what it can
do for others. I don't like it. Carolyn is like, listen,
I don't like that ship at Ome. Who stop, I'm
singing for you guys today because I really don't like it.
But wait, you want to hear how paranoid I was.
My friend told me, he was like, just put it,
just give your I didn't even put my information, and
I did not go past the first thing where it
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says log in, sign in, like sign up, No, don't
sign up. Nope, not me. I am not trying to
do this. I don't want them to have my information.
I don't think any of this is gonna be good
for me. Well, look, you know what I think that
for You work on the digital side of things, and
you've always been way more advanced than I am. I
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think that perhaps we're looking at it just from our perspective. Yeah,
for sure, because I can understand you wanting your kids
teachers to still use a pen and paper. I can
understand you're wanting them to write, you know what I'm saying,
not use an iPad. I brought up this point many
times before on this podcast, and it's a real fact
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that there are schools in Silicon Valley that do not
use any type of technology like that, where they have
gone back because the programmers and the people who are
creating these things know the damage that it can do
to a child. They know the damage, but yet they're
putting it out to the masses. And that's something where
I feel like, do I want my kid to be
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the only one who doesn't know how to use this stuff? No?
But do I want there to be a balance? Absolutely?
You know. That's where Mark, my husband, was trying to
reason with me. He said, Look, this is the way
of the world. You have to evolve. How do you
think that people lived in the Industrial Revolution? They were
like machines. Machines are going to take over. So I
do get it. I get that I'm a little bit
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old fashioned. I may be stuck in the past, or
I may be hanging onto the past. But I also
think that like, once we dive head into these things,
you truly just don't know where it could end up.
That's a fact. But I could tell you this much, Carolina,
AI will never have emotional intelligence. That's something we possess,
so creativity, critical thinking. I guess we all have to
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bring that to the forefront and always in our employment
or wherever our bosses are, we have to let them know. Listen,
AI can't do what I do. You can try, but
it can't. No, it certainly can't. And I don't think
AI understands waking up at three thirty in the morning
to do a show and connecting with people on a
daily basis. It's just not the same high. I can't
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take no phone calls listeners. I'll tell you that much.
It can't. No, you know what, We're gonna take a
breaking up when we come back. Well, honey, you know
we agreed to disagree, and that's okay. I still love you.
But now let's go to the salon and I'm gonna
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let you take this one over because I want to
hear what you have to say about our Frank Cordelia. Okay,
here's what Cordelia. I want to call her Cordelia. Cordelia says,
a long time listener since season one. I hope this
letter finds you well. I don't know why that makes
me feel like Cordelia's locked up or something. Says I
need advice on a matter that has been weighing heavily
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on my mind. I have been wanting to have a
baby for quite some time now, and I have made
it clear to my husband, but unfortunately, after some deep
discussion that started while we were isolated during COVID, he
does not share the same desire. She continues to say.
This has created a lot of tension and uncertainty in
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our relationship, and I am not sure what to do next.
On one hand, I love my husband and want to
stay with him, but on the other hand, I feel
like I might not regret having a child in the future.
Please help. I would really appreciate any advice you can
offer on how to navigate this situation. Sa. Wow, this
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is a big one. Do you want to go first
or do you want me to kind of dive into it.
You've can dive into it. Oh my heart hurts for you.
I think these are conversations, unfortunately, that needed to be
had at the beginning of your relationship. And I know
that you guys have been together and you've said that
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you've wanted a baby for some time now, and you've
been clearly communicating that. But when somebody does not share
that same desire, I feel like you're really really walking
a fine line there, and I won't say that you
should end your relationship because you want to have a baby,
but I think that you guys need to do some
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really deep, deep digging together in therapy to discuss this,
because you never want to bring a baby or a
child into the world when the two people who are
going to be responsible for caring and nurturing and bringing
up the baby are not in alignment this whole thing.
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And I understand the yearning and the wanting to have
a child, and I think it's so special, But if
your partner doesn't want that same thing, I think you
really really need to have a serious talk with each
other and see where the rest of your relationship stands.
I want to know how old she is. I really
really wish I knew how she was, because she told
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me she's in her twenties. How about a girl, give
us some time, enjoy your husband, enjoy your life, be
a little freaky, have a threesome, travel a little, just
give us some time, Give some time, just enjoy your
partner right now. And maybe you know people are still
having kids and their forty even in their fifties with
IVF and stuff like that. So if you love your
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husband and it just feels perfect. Don't throw away the
whole entire marriage because at this moment he does not
want a child. You never know things might change. When
I met my husband, he never getting married, he never
wanted a child, and then later on things changed because
he changed as a man. So if you really, if
you feel like this is your soulmate, you have to wait.
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It's my soulmate more important than having a child, Like
do you want to be a mom? Or are you okay?
We just live. I love my life. It's me and
my husband. We don't have kids, and Carolina, I don't
be like, oh I miss kids. You can't miss what
you never had. And you know having kids is important
for some women. It just feels like you're not complete
if you don't have a child. But I'm here to
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tell you your marriage can feel like a family. If
that is your soulmate and you love and adore this
person and he loves and adores you back, don't lose
that because of your desire to have a kid. It
should be about I want to have I don't know
happiness for the rest of my life because I know
people that have been divorced. Carolina once twice, three times,
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they never find love again. If this your guy, don't
mess it up, give it a little bit of time,
he might come around. Well, you know. And there are
couples who have spoken about being childless, like just I
feel like it was a couple of months ago where
Seth Rogan was very vocal about how he and his
wife decided that they were just never going to have children.
I so he decided it. He said that he was
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more successful because he didn't have children, something to that effect,
right right, well, and also just that their lifestyle, the
way they like to live, and look that girl. I
want to be. I want to be able to pick
up and go to Miami for a month. I don't
got to worry about my kid being in school, talk
about he in second grade. We can't travel to this
kid is on vacation. I want to go, Well, I
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want to go when I want to go Carolina And
I'd be like, thank God, I don't have no kids.
Well now, And I think it's a beautiful thing for you,
you know, but for me, it sounds like I think
that there is that deep desire for her to have
a child. Wants a child for sure, So I'm not
saying and the relationship trash it like whatever, No, not
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at all. What I'm saying is try to get to
a place where because she said, there's a lot of tension,
and you know what, it's just so uncomfortable when you
and your partner aren't aligned like where things are. You know,
you're rocky. It seems like everything is just setting you
both off when you guys aren't in sync. And so
I think that you guys need to strip all of
it away and say, hey, let's not talk about the
baby or wanting to have babies at all. Let's talk
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about our relationship and our future and where we see
ourselves in ten, twenty thirty years, you know, and if
a child or having a family isn't a part of
that vision and it's something that you truly do want
and you're going to fight for. You guys are going
to have to discuss your deal breakers because a husband
you've already been you're married, you know, obviously, yeah, exactly
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like this potentially should have been discussed prior to being married,
but now you're in it. So now you guys have
to do the work. Unfortunately, you know. So I wish
you guys nothing but the best, and listen, to what
Honey said. For some couples, it really is, you know,
a great thing when you guys can be on the
same page about having a family or not having a family.
There are benefits to having children, and there are benefits
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to not having children, you know, but you guys are
going to have to explore that together. Carolina. You know
what my mom told me. What she said, you want
to know what my deepest regret in life is? And
I said what, And she said, having children? Stop it?
No she did not. Oh my gosh, Honey German Carolina. Yes,
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she told me. He said, I didn't pursue my dreams.
I was never able to do what I wanted to do.
I was not able to travel the world. She said,
you made a good decision by not having kids, because
that's my biggest regret in life. I was a interesting
SIPs coffee. This lady is ruthless motherfuck wait no, and Honey,
I don't. And she had five of us and she
(29:05):
regrets all five. I guess she needs to stop. No,
you having this one. We gotta bring. I want to
bring my mom on one day so we can ask
us some questions. Carol. I want to take her on
Ayana I want to I want to get deep in,
I want to under First of all, did you see
ayanaa talking about she could live a polyamorous life a girl.
This could go a whole nother direction. Don't go a hole.
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We could wrap Let's just wrap this up. We gotta
wrap it up. No, after that, that was a micdrop.
I can't even I have nothing. I got nothing after that,
But listen, we were see nothing but the best. And
hopefully if you guys, um you know, can write into
the salon and let us know. If you guys are
going through something, we can help you guys out. But
thank you so so much for joining us for another
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I'm Honey German. My parents are Dominican. I was born
and raised in New York City. I love sneakers and
I'm a body positive advoicate. I'm Carolina Bermudez, but I
was born and raised in Ohio. I'm a wife, a mama,
and a worker bee. This is life in Spanglish. Well,
I'm going to kick things off today and say this, Um,
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this is probably one of the only topics that has
Honey German and I so completely divided. I feel like
this is always the case, but this time I feel
like this one. You're in another country right now, Carolyne, No,
this one is I mean this one because I am like,
I can't believe you, of all people are embracing this
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and you are on board. I have never been more
against something. And by the way, I will tell you, Honey,
my husband tells me I need to get with the times.
So thank you. Mark. Listen, we're talking about chat, GPT
and AI as a whole, and Carolina, this is a big, big,
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big deal. Like I don't know if our listeners are
you know, hip to what's going on right now, but
this is this new right now. It's a website that
you can use, and you go in there and it'll
answer questions for you, it'll write an essay for you,
it'll summarize some documents for you. It can even write software.
(01:31):
But here's the kicker, Carolina. This AI doesn't even know
what's true, so you can't really rely on it for
important things. But I feel like it's it's a tool
that humans can use and can benefit from, but you're
not here for it at all. I German, have you
ever seen the terminator Babe Arnold with Arnold? Yeah, yeah,
(01:53):
he was like a killer. He wasn't helping. Now, the
machines took over, the robots took over. In this is
where we are headed, ladies and gentlemen. I have never
been more against artificial intelligence AI, chat GPT. I don't
care what you call it. It is wrong, wrong, wrong.
So here's what happened. I had a friend that recommended
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that I sign up for chat GPT, and normally, you
know what, in our industry, you gotta be on it,
right because like, of course they were like you, oh
you don't you don't know about this way you've been.
It's like a shame not to be on top of
everything digital or social media savvy well, and you also
can lose your name. So like with all of these
things like remember a clubhouse, like any new oh yeah,
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you gotta park your name exactly any new thing. So
my friend recommended to me. He's like, hey, you know
you should try this chat GPT because it could really
help you, like producing your show and doing this and that.
And I said, okay, I'm open. And I had no
idea what he was talking about. So I opened it
up and I said, now, wait a damn minute, this
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is not some I robot stuff. Remember I robot with
Will Smith. Yeah, okay, this is where we are headed,
you guys, So Chad GPT and I will tell you
I did not even explore it. Honey, is going to
have to tell you more about it. I actually erased
it from my history. I was like, I want nothing,
I do not track me. You said, I'm never going back.
I am never going back because this is what is happening,
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and especially in our industry, honey, which I don't know
if you have heard, but there are tests right now
that are happening as we speak, where there are programmers
for radio companies across the country that are experimenting with
AI and basically having them do the breaks and be
the imfort like, so we we are radio disc jockeys
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like back in the now. That's that's different. Okay, Oh,
now you don't want it? Okay, whoa now, No, now
I don't want it. It was all good when he
could write essays from me, but talk to me. What
are they trying to do? There's so basically chat JBT
From what I know, it's like you can basically put
any subject in there. And it's actually becoming a problem
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for universities because the technology and the software is so
good that you can't tell if a human wrote it. Okay,
so that's number one. That's the number one thing. But
you know, as I was telling you before, these radio companies,
because radio now, they are trying to trim the fat
in any way they can, and that means layoffs. That
means less people save money, jobs to save money. Okay.
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And so in anywhere Pocatella, Idaho, if you are in
any state in this country and you want to listen
to your local radio station, you'll turn on the local
radio station and you'll hear your afternoon drive person or
your morning show person, and they're going to be telling
you what's going on in the community. The experiments that
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they are doing now, and this is real talk. It
happened at CES. They are trying to see if artificial elligence,
this AI, can take the place of a real human
and give you the news that you need for your area,
tell you what the next song is that's coming up.
They are experimenting with voices like mine. They're literally taking
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people's voices and trying to formulate it so that you
can't tell that it's an actual robot that is speaking
to you. But you know what, it's not going to happen, Carolyn.
It can happen if they want something very cut and dry,
very robotic, with no emotional intelligence, no human thought process,
then it can happen. But I doubt very much that
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humans as a whole can be replaced, specially in radio. Okay,
you know the thing is, I am a big, big
advocate for keeping real, live people on the ARA, but Honey,
I'm telling you this is the direction that we are
headed in. Not only that I've done more research on
this because the AI thing just really truly terrifies me,
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and I have been hearing that now they are going
to begin experimenting on how to have AI in schools.
So where are we going to end it? That's the thing.
It's like, once it gets started, where does it end.
I don't think it's going to end. Carolina. This is
a big deal and this is actually the way of
the future. Anyone that even rejects the notion of AI
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being the future or being something that we need to
be using right now is being looked at as you know,
you're antiquated, you're not progressing with the times. It's just
it's big business. Microsoft. They pledged to invest one billion
dollars into open AI. This tells you pretty much where
corporations are headed. But I feel like, as humans, we
still have a voice to fight back. Well, that's what
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Mark was telling me. My husband and I were talking
about it because I am very anti technology in schools.
I wish that we could go back to books with
a pencil and notebooks and things like that. You know,
my sons have iPads and chromebooks and it is over
it's but you know what it isn't though, So my
kids every time they come home, I'm trying to fight
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the good fight to keep them off the screen. So
what's the first thing that they do mom, I have homework,
they open up their iPad from school, or they open
up their Chromebook from school. Everything is on the Google classroom.
And in my mind, I'm thinking, why can't we just
get a sheet of paper that says what the requirements
are for your assignments today? This is the move that
we're making, right And so my husband and I were
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having a conversation about it, and I said to Mark,
I said, this is really counterproductive for me because when
the kids come home, they've been on these screens basically
all day, and then they come home and I'm trying
to keep them off the screens, but the first thing
that they do is they get on the screens. Right.
I just I feel like there's no balance. I think
that we are all becoming so tech driven and tech
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addicted that this is not going to be good for
this next generation of people, or you know, even the
generation that comes after it. I do understand it's innovative,
it's exciting, we have to evolve, But then there's a
certain part to me that thinks I think that we
are biting off more than we can chew. There was
an article in the New York Times about a guy
that was chatting with the AI robot, and the robot
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basically was saying, did you read this article, honey, I'm
gonna send it to you. This guy was scared after
he got off of this chat with this um this robot.
It said, I want to get out of here. I
feel like I love you. I swear it was having
to stop Nomento. I'm telling you, that's what I So
when people think, oh, what's the big deal, We're gonna
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need to have more technology, We're gonna need to do this,
what we're doing is we are eliminating work. We are.
I'm gonna I'm gonna bring up one thing, um the
postal service, right, you know your postal carrier comes every
single day, they leave something in your mailbox. U. Now
they are trying to test these robots. Come on. I've
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seen that, like when they'd be like, oh, do you
want a robot to bring your package from Target? I
don't think that's ever gonna be a thing care only
where we're surrounded by robots. I saw this show called
Better than Us on Netflix and it's like you were
able to buy a robot to be part of your family.
That was kind of scary. And then the main character robot.
Then she started developing feelings for the family and it
(09:13):
gets kind of spicy. You gotta watch that's some Jetson's ish.
Now I'm gonna ask you again, honey, when's the last
time you were in Vegas? Um? A couple of years ago,
probably four or five years ago. Yeah, yeah, be pretty pandemic.
I haven't been in a while. My girlfriend went for
a conference and she stayed I think, oh my gosh.
(09:33):
Don't quote me on this, but I think it was
the Aria Hotel. Oh, she got money, her company, any money.
She was like, hey, girl, do you want to come
with me? And you know I'm gonna go to Vegas
and do this and that and everything. And I said,
oh no, yeb I can't you know I'm working. She
was like, girl, when you order room service, it isn't
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even a person anymore. It is a machine that keeps
your food hot. It is in a little container. The
machine goes to the elevator on its own, gets on
that elevator, gets out on your floor and brings you
your food. Again, don't quote me on the hotel. I'll
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have to ask her again which one it was. But
I said, you mean to tell me you did not
interact with a person, She said, no, whoever it is
that's working, you know in the hospitality, like in the
food department, they program these machines robo butlers. They are
robo butlers. I don't know that's different. So she opened
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the door and there was like a robot with food. Yeah. Yes,
And then it comes in. It opens its drawer, the
food is there, You get your food out, you close
the drawer, and it goes right back out, like out
the door and out the door. This out the door.
It knows where to go. And that's what I'm saying though.
It's like that's a job that could be filled by
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anyone if you think about it. And now we're eliminating
that job, and somebody is now out of a job
because that robot has the ability and the capacity to
deliver more meals. Do you know that that robot doesn't
need a break, doesn't need a lunch hour. That is
something that is very true. It's not if you can
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work this robot to death, that robot doesn't need a union.
It does, you know what I mean? Like, these are
all things this robot. I'm not gonna be tired talk
about hungry talk about I gotta get my bunnians operated
on tomorrow back in the three months. I know what
you're saying, absolutely, and you know what, We're going to
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dive into this more right off when we take a break.
But you know, there are certain jobs Carolina that are
definitely in danger. At Number one is anything that is
a repetitive task, anything that you know, doesn't require a
brain per se, not meaning to be offensive, but data entry.
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Those jobs are going to be gone. Those jobs are
going to belong to AI. Also, assembly line work. I
always see video of like robots do an assembly line work.
Those jobs are definitely in danger. Well, you know, the
thing that I think that was very concerning to me
was when I started hearing about the potential for educators
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to begin using these because I just think that we
are so disconnected as a society already. I think the
pandemic had a lot to do with it. We talked
about this before, honey, where it's like, you know, people
are lonely, they've they've stopped interacting with people. You know,
there's not that human connection that we had before. And
I think that it got worse obviously throughout the pandemic,
and now we're coming out of it, people are like,
(12:50):
we outside, Yes, we are outside. But now these companies
who have taken a hit throughout the past four five
years are not looking a streamline or they're looking for
ways that they can keep their money but also keep
delivering whatever it is that you know their company offers.
And so I understand it from a business perspective, but
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from a human perspective, I think it's really concerning, like
are you going to have a robot when your kid
says that they have a you know, a rumbling tummy
or their throat isn't feeling well, Like how would a
child or even a young adult be able to express that?
You know what I mean? I think that there is
just there's something here about it that is just not
right to me. I want you to watch that show
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better than us because the robot, the main character evers,
she tried to steal the whole family. She used to
take kid to Kids Carolina like better than the mom,
Like she was making a mom look crazy out here. What. Yes,
it's a Russian show, but it's it. I loved it.
I watched it a couple of months ago, but it
came to mind. But also in that same show, there
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was the anti AI people, which are revolting. They were
killing the robots. They were letting the government know we
not here for it. They're taking our jobs. We don't
want it. So it is a big divide when it
comes to AI, and I think, well, I think it
can be helpful. That's the weird part, because I'm here
for it, you know, answering questions, you know, summarizing a
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document for me. You know, even though it's not always right, Carolyn,
because I sent you, I asked chat GPT who I was, girl,
They gave me a whole other job. They said I
was working in Latin radio for like five years. They
said I was born in the Bronx. So it's not
really that reliable because it doesn't know what's true. It
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just picks up little bits and pieces from the Internet.
So you're still gonna need a human You're still gonna
be baby. It's in its infancy right now, and Carolyn's
I guess coming, but just telling girl, no, I'm serious,
And I don't want to be one of those people
that because then and I guess after a while, when
you become used to it, I would be one of
the naysayers, right but they're perfecting it now chat and
(14:58):
GPT like they've already done an update for it. I mean,
there are things that are happening behind the scenes that
we are unaware of that we really need to wake
up and think about. Like, for example, I was reading
something where it said that farmers farmers could actually really
benefit from AI, and I think that's true. You know,
if you look at what is going on around the world,
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that's say, Okay, there are a ton of farmers. And
by the way, the only reason why I know this
is because there's a show on TV called Farmer Wants
a Wife and we were talking about it and I
started to do a deep dive into this. But who
wants to be a farmer anymore, honey, unless it's something
that was passed down for generations in your family. And
even then, a lot of people have been walking away
(15:43):
from the industry because they just it's not sustainable. They
don't have the ability to keep it up anymore. So
that's an instance where people say, wow, a I could
really help. You know, you could get these machines out
there and they could do the work where people were
laboring before, and you just can't get people to do it. Okay,
so that yes, beneficial, wonderful Carolina. We can't have AI
(16:05):
help the farmers. A lot of Latinos that migrate, that's
where they start. We need these jobs for our Latinos. Okay,
Well no, I yell, but that's where where do we
draw the line. Oh and then you know Disney Plus.
I don't know if you've seen this. My kids watched
Disney Plus all the time. And there's a kid's movie
it's called Ron's Gone Wrong and it's about this robot.
(16:27):
The robot catches feelings, it doesn't follow the algorithm that
was set up. This is kind of similar to that
article that I was telling you about where the developer,
I'm sorry it was, I forget if it was the interviewer. Yeah,
the interviewer was chatting with the robot, and even he
said it started to freak him out a little bit
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because these AI programs and these robots are not supposed
to catch feelings or develop feelings, or understand sensitivity and
all of these human emotions. And even he was taken
aback after it and said, I really think that we
need to take a step back, and we may be
playing with fire. We out here getting creepy experiences with ais.
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Imagine we started dating these mother Well, wasn't there that
movie remember, Like I think it was Ryan Gosling or something.
Was it Ryan Gosling that fell in love with like
it was like a doll or something. Oh my gosh,
why is it escaping me right now? This happens to
us all the time when we're talking. But that is
what we are looking at. Where we are going to
be going in this direction. And now let's be honest here.
(17:34):
There are a lot of people who are addicted to
you know, porn and you know, talking in chat rooms
and only fans and things like that. Okay, this is
just it was Lars and the Real Girl. Yes, yes,
that was it. If you never saw that movie, Oh
oh wow, what is this? Let me see? Yes, this
is the type of stuff that I'm talking about. And
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I've already said it is so hard for people to
connect on a human level right now, and this is
the wave that is going to be happening if we
don't all stop and think about what the future can be.
I know people are probably disagreeing with me right now.
You guys probably think I'm crazy, but I just I'm
(18:17):
not here for it. I'm not here for people dating
anything that's not a human. I'm looking at this movie
poster for Lars and the Real Girl. This looks creepy
as hell, Carolina, you know. And sometimes I watch I
watch something on Netflix where they create like these sex
dolls for people that cost like fifteen twenty thousand dollars.
That's not normal, And I'm not here for y'all use
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an AI to replace human interaction or human sex, because
now I'm just slightly disgusted. Well, I'm telling you, I
think that this is one of those things where yes, like,
oh it's great, it helps me because I don't have
time to do a post on social media right now,
or yeah, like it'll be come up with a million captions.
Carolina companies use this. They enter what they're doing when
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we're given away, you know, scarves at three pm, Boom,
enter it there. It'll give you like twenty different captions.
And if you're someone that's into let's sake, social media,
digital marketing or anything like that, it can be a
tool that you can use. But then again, the people
that used to write the captions are going to be
out of a job. So I'm just conflicted. I love
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it for me, but I don't love what it can
do for others. I don't like it. Carolyn is like, listen,
I don't like that ship at Ome. Who stop, I'm
singing for you guys today because I really don't like it.
But wait, you want to hear how paranoid I was.
My friend told me, he was like, just put it,
just give your I didn't even put my information, and
I did not go past the first thing where it
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says log in, sign in, like sign up, No, don't
sign up. Nope, not me. I am not trying to
do this. I don't want them to have my information.
I don't think any of this is gonna be good
for me. Well, look, you know what I think that
for You work on the digital side of things, and
you've always been way more advanced than I am. I
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think that perhaps we're looking at it just from our perspective. Yeah,
for sure, because I can understand you wanting your kids
teachers to still use a pen and paper. I can
understand you're wanting them to write, you know what I'm saying,
not use an iPad. I brought up this point many
times before on this podcast, and it's a real fact
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that there are schools in Silicon Valley that do not
use any type of technology like that, where they have
gone back because the programmers and the people who are
creating these things know the damage that it can do
to a child. They know the damage, but yet they're
putting it out to the masses. And that's something where
I feel like, do I want my kid to be
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the only one who doesn't know how to use this stuff? No?
But do I want there to be a balance? Absolutely?
You know. That's where Mark, my husband, was trying to
reason with me. He said, Look, this is the way
of the world. You have to evolve. How do you
think that people lived in the Industrial Revolution? They were
like machines. Machines are going to take over. So I
do get it. I get that I'm a little bit
(21:10):
old fashioned. I may be stuck in the past, or
I may be hanging onto the past. But I also
think that like, once we dive head into these things,
you truly just don't know where it could end up.
That's a fact. But I could tell you this much, Carolina,
AI will never have emotional intelligence. That's something we possess,
so creativity, critical thinking. I guess we all have to
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bring that to the forefront and always in our employment
or wherever our bosses are, we have to let them know. Listen,
AI can't do what I do. You can try, but
it can't. No, it certainly can't. And I don't think
AI understands waking up at three thirty in the morning
to do a show and connecting with people on a
daily basis. It's just not the same high. I can't
(21:53):
take no phone calls listeners. I'll tell you that much.
It can't. No, you know what, We're gonna take a
breaking up when we come back. Well, honey, you know
we agreed to disagree, and that's okay. I still love you.
But now let's go to the salon and I'm gonna
(22:14):
let you take this one over because I want to
hear what you have to say about our Frank Cordelia. Okay,
here's what Cordelia. I want to call her Cordelia. Cordelia says,
a long time listener since season one. I hope this
letter finds you well. I don't know why that makes
me feel like Cordelia's locked up or something. Says I
need advice on a matter that has been weighing heavily
(22:36):
on my mind. I have been wanting to have a
baby for quite some time now, and I have made
it clear to my husband, but unfortunately, after some deep
discussion that started while we were isolated during COVID, he
does not share the same desire. She continues to say.
This has created a lot of tension and uncertainty in
(22:57):
our relationship, and I am not sure what to do next.
On one hand, I love my husband and want to
stay with him, but on the other hand, I feel
like I might not regret having a child in the future.
Please help. I would really appreciate any advice you can
offer on how to navigate this situation. Sa. Wow, this
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is a big one. Do you want to go first
or do you want me to kind of dive into it.
You've can dive into it. Oh my heart hurts for you.
I think these are conversations, unfortunately, that needed to be
had at the beginning of your relationship. And I know
that you guys have been together and you've said that
(23:40):
you've wanted a baby for some time now, and you've
been clearly communicating that. But when somebody does not share
that same desire, I feel like you're really really walking
a fine line there, and I won't say that you
should end your relationship because you want to have a baby,
but I think that you guys need to do some
(24:02):
really deep, deep digging together in therapy to discuss this,
because you never want to bring a baby or a
child into the world when the two people who are
going to be responsible for caring and nurturing and bringing
up the baby are not in alignment this whole thing.
(24:23):
And I understand the yearning and the wanting to have
a child, and I think it's so special, But if
your partner doesn't want that same thing, I think you
really really need to have a serious talk with each
other and see where the rest of your relationship stands.
I want to know how old she is. I really
really wish I knew how she was, because she told
(24:43):
me she's in her twenties. How about a girl, give
us some time, enjoy your husband, enjoy your life, be
a little freaky, have a threesome, travel a little, just
give us some time, Give some time, just enjoy your
partner right now. And maybe you know people are still
having kids and their forty even in their fifties with
IVF and stuff like that. So if you love your
(25:04):
husband and it just feels perfect. Don't throw away the
whole entire marriage because at this moment he does not
want a child. You never know things might change. When
I met my husband, he never getting married, he never
wanted a child, and then later on things changed because
he changed as a man. So if you really, if
you feel like this is your soulmate, you have to wait.
(25:26):
It's my soulmate more important than having a child, Like
do you want to be a mom? Or are you okay?
We just live. I love my life. It's me and
my husband. We don't have kids, and Carolina, I don't
be like, oh I miss kids. You can't miss what
you never had. And you know having kids is important
for some women. It just feels like you're not complete
if you don't have a child. But I'm here to
(25:48):
tell you your marriage can feel like a family. If
that is your soulmate and you love and adore this
person and he loves and adores you back, don't lose
that because of your desire to have a kid. It
should be about I want to have I don't know
happiness for the rest of my life because I know
people that have been divorced. Carolina once twice, three times,
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they never find love again. If this your guy, don't
mess it up, give it a little bit of time,
he might come around. Well, you know. And there are
couples who have spoken about being childless, like just I
feel like it was a couple of months ago where
Seth Rogan was very vocal about how he and his
wife decided that they were just never going to have children.
I so he decided it. He said that he was
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more successful because he didn't have children, something to that effect,
right right, well, and also just that their lifestyle, the
way they like to live, and look that girl. I
want to be. I want to be able to pick
up and go to Miami for a month. I don't
got to worry about my kid being in school, talk
about he in second grade. We can't travel to this
kid is on vacation. I want to go, Well, I
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want to go when I want to go Carolina And
I'd be like, thank God, I don't have no kids.
Well now, And I think it's a beautiful thing for you,
you know, but for me, it sounds like I think
that there is that deep desire for her to have
a child. Wants a child for sure, So I'm not
saying and the relationship trash it like whatever, No, not
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at all. What I'm saying is try to get to
a place where because she said, there's a lot of tension,
and you know what, it's just so uncomfortable when you
and your partner aren't aligned like where things are. You know,
you're rocky. It seems like everything is just setting you
both off when you guys aren't in sync. And so
I think that you guys need to strip all of
it away and say, hey, let's not talk about the
baby or wanting to have babies at all. Let's talk
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about our relationship and our future and where we see
ourselves in ten, twenty thirty years, you know, and if
a child or having a family isn't a part of
that vision and it's something that you truly do want
and you're going to fight for. You guys are going
to have to discuss your deal breakers because a husband
you've already been you're married, you know, obviously, yeah, exactly
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like this potentially should have been discussed prior to being married,
but now you're in it. So now you guys have
to do the work. Unfortunately, you know. So I wish
you guys nothing but the best, and listen, to what
Honey said. For some couples, it really is, you know,
a great thing when you guys can be on the
same page about having a family or not having a family.
There are benefits to having children, and there are benefits
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to not having children, you know, but you guys are
going to have to explore that together. Carolina. You know
what my mom told me. What she said, you want
to know what my deepest regret in life is? And
I said what, And she said, having children? Stop it?
No she did not. Oh my gosh, Honey German Carolina. Yes,
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she told me. He said, I didn't pursue my dreams.
I was never able to do what I wanted to do.
I was not able to travel the world. She said,
you made a good decision by not having kids, because
that's my biggest regret in life. I was a interesting
SIPs coffee. This lady is ruthless motherfuck wait no, and Honey,
I don't. And she had five of us and she
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regrets all five. I guess she needs to stop. No,
you having this one. We gotta bring. I want to
bring my mom on one day so we can ask
us some questions. Carol. I want to take her on
Ayana I want to I want to get deep in,
I want to under First of all, did you see
ayanaa talking about she could live a polyamorous life a girl.
This could go a whole nother direction. Don't go a hole.
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We could wrap Let's just wrap this up. We gotta
wrap it up. No, after that, that was a micdrop.
I can't even I have nothing. I got nothing after that,
But listen, we were see nothing but the best. And
hopefully if you guys, um you know, can write into
the salon and let us know. If you guys are
going through something, we can help you guys out. But
thank you so so much for joining us for another
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