September 2, 2022 • 30 mins
So let's talk about it, you probably saw it all over social media - QUIET QUITTING. Have you done this before? Is it fair for to your employer or coworkers? Carolina and Honey discuss.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
I'm Honey German. My parents are Dominican. I was born
and raised in New York City. I love sneakers and
I'm a body positive addicate. I'm Carolina Bermudez, but I
was born and raised in Ohio. I'm a wife, a mama,
and a worker. Be this is life in Spanglish, Honey.
We're going to dive right into this one because I
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brought this topic up to you. I said, we got
to talk about this on Life in Spanglish and you
told me that this is like a whole TikTok trend.
And you know me. I'm not on TikTok, so I
don't know. But we have to bring this to your
attention if you guys aren't aware about it, So, um,
are you ready to dive in? I am ready, Caroline.
I don't watch plenty of tiktoks about this, so I
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have different angles what we talk about today. Well, you know,
I think a lot of people are feeling burnt out
by their job. I don't care where you're working. You
could be working and I You could be working as
a talent on the air like me. You could be
working in digital like honey. Anywhere you know, nurses, doctors,
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any specific career is feeling this because or I shouldn't
say any specific career, but I should say, like everybody
is really feeling the burn. And it sparked this movement
that a lot of people are talking about that you
may be familiar with or you may not be, and
this will be your introduction to it. But it's called
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quiet quitting. And you know it's crazy, Carolina, because we
talked about the create the great resignation and people that
are actually just you know, leaving you know, their jobs
by the thousands. With happy quitting, it's more about some
people maybe not being unhappy at work and being burnt out,
but leaving their job is not an option at all,
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so they stay and they either do the bare minimum
or only what is asked of them. You know, that
whole going above and beyond is a trend that hum
died out, that whole hustle mentality like I'm gonna kill
myself with this job. People are not witted anymore. Yeah,
Like the whole p Diddy like can't stop, won't stop,
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that whole vibe has come to a screeching halt because
I think that you know, there are a number of
factors that I think are a part of the problem.
So we had the pandemic, and I know we can't
keep going back to the pandemic and thinking like, Okay,
we can't keep blaming. We got to move on with
our lives, right. But I think that the pandemic shifted
our perspective on the work life balance. So there were
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a lot of people who realized that they could do
the very same job working from home, and that the
commute and all of the other things that they were
facing on a daily basis, the grind of it all
wasn't necessary. So you have that. I think that really
kind of opened people's eyes to like, wait a minute,
am I really giving my whole life away to this job.
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I also think that maybe people saw how other countries
live and how they deal with work life balance, and
they figured we're doing something wrong here. We're not doing
the right thing by constantly being available for our employers,
or constantly being the person that stays late or you know,
mrs family functions because you have to work. I think
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there are a lot of different factors that we need
to think about when it comes to quiet quitting. So
much like you said, honey, instead of outright saying I'm done.
I've had this, I quit this bitch whatever however you
wanted to say it, instead of going out there and
looking for a new job. There are people who are
just basically saying, you know what, I'm not going to
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go above and beyond. I'm not worried about my performance
review as much. I'm totally content. I don't need to raise.
I'm fine with the way things are, and this is
how I'm going to live my life. I'm gonna do
what I need to do. Like you said, honey, the
bare minimum and that's that. And you know where I'm
seeing it a lot Carolina millennials and gen Z and
whoever comes after gen Z. If they're the workforce and
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they not doing what their parents did, they are rejecting,
you know, the whole live to work lifestyle that are
a lot of our parents had. And it's like, I
gotta make my balls happy, I gotta stay over time,
I gotta come in early. These young people are not
doing this. They're like, this is what I get paid
to do. This is what I am going to do.
I am not, you know, sacrificing my social life. I'm
not sacrificing my personal life. I'm not doing none of
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that for a job. Well, yeah, honey, I think there's
this separation of profession with identity. You know, before I
think that everybody tied their identity to what their profession was.
You know. Look, I have a very dear friend, you know,
um she was working in radio. She was let go
a while ago, and we had a really long discussion,
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and I wanted her to know that I was there
for her, and and she confided in me and said,
you know, one of the hardest things about losing this
job is that this defined who I was. I was
always in radio. I was always associated with the medium,
whether it was podcasting or having a show. And I
think that that's kind of what is a wake up
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call to a lot of people. And when you hear
the phrase quiet quitting, the first thing that I thought,
I'll be honest with you want to heard quiet quitting.
I'm like, land, you know what, Like, that's not right.
These people are lazy. It has nothing to do with lazyness.
After I started really researching it and learning more about it,
and some people they want the name change. They're like,
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you know, it's a great message. It's going viral. People
are talking about it all over TikTok, But that whole
quiet quitting has kind of like a negative connotation, even
though I have seen people check out of work, But
I don't know if it's with the expectation of getting
bired and just collecting unemployment or just saying I no
longer what to want this job, but I don't have
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the bulls to quit, so I'm just gonna like hang
out now work, see what happens, keep collecting a free check.
I see it. I don't think that's quiet quitting per
se as far as like the definition that you see
an articles, but quiet quitting is happening in both spectrums. Well,
I think that also we're glossing over the fact that
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this affects other people. When you're quiet quitting, somebody has
to show up, right, so your boss. If your boss
can't get to you, And we were touching on it
about the hustle culture. Basically this is all about setting
boundaries and saying, no, my dude, I'm working from nine
to five. You cannot email me at six o'clock and
asked me to hop on a call. This is where
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people are really drawing the line, right. But then if
you're not available and you're quiet quitting and you're not
taking calls at five pm, somebody else on your team
or somebody else that works in your division, is going
to have to pick up that slack. So I think
that's where a lot of the resentment comes in. Yeah,
if it's a group effort, and let's say it's ten
of us, and we both and all ten of us decide, okay,
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we are going to simultaneously quiet quit at five you know,
f our boss, f his boss, this is what we're
getting paid for. Then it all works out. But then
if you have a group of people that are like,
I am doing only what I am getting paid to do,
But then you have another group of people that are
over here trying to get raises, trying to get promotions,
showing up early, staying late, then they end up picking
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the brunt of the other work. So it's just like,
even though it's good for mental health for those who
opt to quiet quit, then it burns out everybody else
who's trying to pick up the slack and it's trying
to still be a team flair for the company. Because
I think sometimes quiet quitting comes from resentment and hatred
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towards either your boss, your company, lack of opportunity, lack
of raises. You know, I feel like you no longer
see your position or your role with this company as valuable,
and you're no longer going to go above and beyond.
And you know, kudos to you if you have the
balls to be like, nah, boss, it's five oh one.
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I only get paid till five. Please get off my phone.
Own like yo, you gotta be built the right way,
and you really gotta have the cohna is to be
like nojolda Nader. Not everybody's built like that, especially us
the culture we come from Carolina, like hef Amanda, you could.
But you know, like we saw our parents. I saw
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my mom work at factories, twelve hours ships, you know,
as a fore woman, like she killed herself. She never
wanted to upset her bosses because she couldn't afford to
lose these jobs. But you know, gen Z millennials, people
that are still at home with mom and dad, they
don't have mortgages, they might not have all the bills
that maybe a forty or fifty year old has. They
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have this luxury and they are leading the way on
quiet quitting. I think their responsibilities give them that freedom,
and I couldn't agree with you more. I definitely think
that this comes from the top down. I think there
is a disappointment in leadership that leads to quiet quitting
and not where it's like okay, right. I feel like
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that might be the linchpin here for this whole movement,
because if you feel like you're getting recognized by your boss,
if you feel like your boss is constantly, like you know,
giving you that positive affirmation or saying, wow, I really
appreciate you going above and beyond thing, you're going to
do more. But if you never get that and you're thinking, well,
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they're intruding on my personal time, they're never giving me
the time off that I asked for. You know, there's
a number of things that factor into the quiet quitting,
but I definitely think that it's more the resentment toward
management that makes people move more toward it than anything. Um.
You know. One of the things that I was going
to touch on two was like the work life balance.
Everybody talks about work life balance. I don't think the
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work life balance really exists when you constantly have a
way for people to get in touch with you. I
think that's just two in the world that we live in.
Because before, let's say you were a teacher. Okay, you're
a teacher, you show up at school at seven thirty,
let's say eight o'clock. I don't know. I'm not a teacher,
so I'm making this up. Let's say you show up,
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you know, seven thirty, you're done. After the kids leave,
let's say around three thirty. Okay, Back in the nine
eighties or the nineties, you would go home, you would
take care of your family, you would watch the news,
you'd watch your favorite show, you go to bed, and
you go back into work. Now the accessibility has just
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it's given everybody the opportunity to get to you. So
now if a teacher goes home at three thirty, something
happens and their boss, the principle calls them. If they
don't answer an email, where were you? Why didn't you
answer me? Everything is pressing. Now, it seems it's very pressing,
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and people just have this sense of entitlement that you
should be available to them twenty four hours a day, weekends, nights,
just because you work for the company that they also
work for. That doesn't work that way. You don't you
don't have a contract to be available twenty four hours
a day, and I feel like post pandemic, this became
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just a problem, Carolina, where people no longer have boundaries,
and bosses are like, yeah, well you're in your house.
It's seven o'clock at night, but your home, Like, I
don't know. It's it's a huge problem now, and I
feel like people are heavily rejecting it. I know people
that if you hit them, let's say on a Saturday,
they will say, I'm not near a computer. I don't
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know what to tell you. I cannot do that right now.
And you know what, Carolina, I love them for it
because it shows like, come on, guys, you can't expect
me a Saturday at three o'clock to be near a computer.
Guess what. I'm in the park with my family. And
those people are the ones that are which is just
as important it is. It's it's super important. Your mental
health is super important. You don't want to live with
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that anxiety of like, oh my god, I always to check.
I gotta check my email every three minutes. It's nine
o'clock at night. Let me check one last time before
I go to bed. It's six am. Let me make
sure nothing happened overnight. It's just like that burnout that
I think that that burnout and constantly feeling like feeling
like you have to be on the clock is what
forcing people to put their foot down and be like, Nah,
five o'clock, I am closing my computer and I'm quitting
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for the day, and I'll see people again tomorrow. And
there's nothing wrong with that, because you're just putting your
foot down if what you're doing is not affecting your
teammates and it is not affecting others that are not
your boss. Because it's like, it's super unfair. That's like
me not doing my work, and then someone who's equivalent
to me, my peer, I am putting them in a
predicament with now they have to stay late and do
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their work because I decided I wanted to quit early.
That's the problem. I've only recently had the nerve to
tell people, no, I'm not available. You know, in our industry,
there's always something, there's always a deal coming through, there's
always an interview that is coming through last minute. So
and so's in town. Can you do this? Can you
do that? Um? I remember a couple of months ago,
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there was an artist that could only do an interview
at five pm on a Friday because they were in
l A. And I, I'm up at four in the morning, guys,
you know what I mean. So I I was like
really thinking about it, and I said, but you know what,
we need to keep those label relations going. There's a
lot of things behind the scenes that people really don't
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know about. And so I sacrificed. At five pm, I
said to my kids, here's the iPad. Mommy needs to
go downstairs for thirty minutes. Okay, not listen. I'm taking
a chance because you know what it's like when you
have your siblings, or when you have your brothers or
two sisters and Mom's not in the room. One of
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them pokes the other one. Then it becomes a fight.
Then this or that happened. So you're really taking a chance, right,
So I ended up doing the interview. I came back
upstairs and it was complete mayhem. My kids had gotten
in a tussle. I was just gonna say, what did
you find that they on the wall? Oh no, no,
they were fighting. He did this, he changed the channel.
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It was just total chaos. And I said to myself
at that point, you can't Carolina, how old are they now?
They can't care for themselves. No, they're six and eight.
But in my mind they're little. And that's why I
say to people like, yeah, you know, you can leave
in eleven year old or a thirteen year old alone
and say, hey, watch TV or get on your phone
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or do TikTok or whatever. I mean. These are still
little guys, you know, I guess yeah. And so I
came upstairs and I had to referee the fight, and
they both got in trouble, and I thought to myself, like,
why why did I do this? Why did I compromise
what in my gut I knew I shouldn't be doing.
But I did it anyway because I wanted to look
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good for this label so that they could get their
artists interview on the air. So from that point on,
I said, no way. My day starts five hours earlier
than most people. Most people start at nine am. Let's
say eight nine am. I am done by noon. You
hit me up afternoon, I will get to you the
next day. So much so that um, you know, just
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last week I had somebody reach out to me and
it was on a Friday. Hey, any chance, you can
hop on a call at three o'clock. I said, no,
I cannot. We can tackle this on Monday. Do you
have time at ten thirty after my show is done.
So I think that there's a way to finesse it,
and there's a way to let people know that you
have your boundaries without outright saying hey, I'm not willing
to do this. You know who has a big problem
with that, people pleasers, And I've been guilty of being
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a people pleaser for years, Carolyne. I hate I hate
saying no. I don't want people to be mad at me.
I feel like people are going to be resentfuled if
I say I can't do something. I feel like people
are not gonna look for me to work on different
projects if I say no one time. And I've taken
control of that, and you know, things that I used
to participate in, let's say, week after week that I
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really didn't want to do. Now I'm like, okay, maybe
every other week I'll say no. Maybe every three weeks
i'll say yes, you know. And I'm kind of like
trying to balance that out because it also leads to
burnout when it comes to work, and burnout is not
just difficult for the employee, but it's also costly for
the employers because people with with burnout, you know, they
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end up taking time off, they worked the least amount
as possible, or a not at full capacity because they're tired,
they're burnt out, and they're now they were sent they're like, yo,
these people are working me to the core. Fuck them. Well,
you know what, honey, I was going to ask you,
because you work in a space that never stopped. When
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when I think of digital, I think of all of
the things that you have coming at you, all of
the stimuli, everything that is happening throughout the day, whether
it is breaking news in the world news or entertainment news,
or whether it's a big announcement that the station is
going to be running. So I have been curious as
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to how you find a way to manage that because
I feel like I'm just constantly seeing, like your posts,
what you do, You're grind and I don't know how
anybody in digital can do that. Like my day starts
at like six am with the breakfast club, right Everything
breakfast Club or later has to be rolled out, you know,
and then I'm on pretty much old day. Like if
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if something for Clue comes up, like let's say for today,
I've already shared content for Clue. We've already shared content
for Angie. We were rolled out a breakfast club interview.
That's on TikTok, that's on Twitter, that's on Facebook. It
is over stimulating and it can get I guess you
can get burnt out. I like to take breaks. I
like to, you know, say, okay, for five minutes, I'm
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gonna just unwind. I'm not gonna look at Instagram. I'm
not gonna look at anything. Maybe I'll just look at
emails calmly and softly. Because early I can go ten
hours straight and still not be done with what has
to be done for the day. Because digital is NonStop,
it's ever evolving every day. Oh this changed on Facebook.
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Oh this, So you constantly have to be retraining and relearning. So,
you know, shout out to anybody who works in digital
or social media. We are super unappreciated, not as visible
as we should be. But the work is crucial, it's important,
and it's become more important than a lot of other things.
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At this point. Well, I think that you have a
really great point there, and I think that it's something
that people wouldn't understand because they're not in the industry
and so they don't see what you do. But the
number or I guess I would say the impact that
your work has on the success of the stations is
something that a lot of people can't evengauge, you know,
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from the outside in Rather, people aren't seeing everything that
you do. But something that I thought about is that, like,
whenever I want to relax, I pick up my phone
and I start scrolling. So how do you find time
to relax because you've been literally scrolling all day? So
is that where you're like, oh, this thing is going away? Yeah? No, Ma,
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you know what I mean, Like, I am just going
to like focus on me, Nah, Carolyn, Like I have
to like put the phone down. Let's say, if I'm
done for the day. Let's say, like I try to
check out, like I try to do like seven to
three or six to four, you know, one of one
of those two or six. But at one point I
pick an hour and I'm like, Okay, I'm gonna close
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the phone and I lock it and and I'm like,
if it's urgent, one of my bosses will either call
me or text me. But I have to physically check out.
And then I also set up a schedule on teams,
you know, I give them a full eight hours a day,
and then after that, my team goes away. Like okay,
now I am away. If anything is urgent, someone will
reach out to me. I will check my emails. But
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I'm not actively in front of a computer at our
nine hour, ten hour, eleven hour, twelve. I cannot do
that to myself. Like just that's where you take a
place like once. I feel like, listen, I have been
working my ass off for eight four hours. My eyes
have been open since six am, you know, about two three.
If anybody tells me where were you, I'll be like,
you know where I was at six am? I was working?
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Where were you? Okay, then give me a break. It
is two pm, it is three pm. I've already been
working eight nine hours. I deserve to take a break.
I deserve to go to the gym. I deserve to
take a walk at a park. I deserve to cook
with my family. And I just you know, it doesn't
happen often. I just make sure i'm either I put away,
well it should, it should? You know, every day is different, honey,
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and I want mean to cut you off, but you
just mentioned something that a lot of people I think
is obsolete, and that is taking an hour lunch break.
I had too many friends. I have too many friends
who tell me what an hour lunch break because obviously,
like we don't get time like that. I mean, for me,
on the morning show, I'm eating in between breaks and
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on a commercial during a song whatever, you know. I
mean that. I'm not complaining for myself, but I'm talking
about my friends who have real nine to five jobs.
With the commute it ends up being seven to seven pm,
and they say to me, the days of an hour
lunch break. One of my girlfriends works in the city
and she said to me, I used to be able
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in my lunch break. I had it down, she said,
I used to be able to go grab a salad,
eat the salad really fast, go and get a thirty
minute manicure, come back, you know, finish my job. She goes. Now,
she says, I'm eating at my desk. She's like, I
have salad remnants in my keyboard. And we were cracking
up about it. She was like, this is no way
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to live, though, you know, I mean, this is where
I think the quiet quitting makes sense for a lot
of people. Um case in point. One of my friends
who actually works in HR, we were discussing this and
I said to her, I said, let's talk about this
whole like quiet quitting movement. And she rolled her eyes
and she was just like, girl, do you know how
many companies now have basically given people to three positions,
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to three responsibilities that they've never had before. She said,
that's the reason why quiet quitting is happening. When you
were hired to be a district manager, let's say, but
now you're not just the district manager, you're the district
manager for three locations. That's where people are getting frustrated
because they say, I never sent up for this. I
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was talking to my friend Carly and who works in
HR also, and she's I was like, Hey, what's going on.
She's like, a sucks. Next week, we're gonna let go
of fifty people. I'm like what, I said, what are
you gonna do? You're gonna have hired them? She's like, no,
it's budget cuts. We're gonna spread the work work amongst
the people that are there. So of course people are
going to be resent for They're gonna be like like wait,
hold on to Yeah, fired fifty people and now we
got to do their work and you guys save the
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money and nobody gets raises. So yes, that is exactly
what is happening. Well, I will say this. I asked
my friend for advice, and I said to her, what
should we tell people if they are quiet quitting, if
they are doing the bare minimum, if they get called
out by a manager that says, hey, I've been trying
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to reach out to you and you're unavailable all the time.
Because they'll do that too, they'll try to do the
Jedi mind tricks and have the conversations or or scare
you into thinking that you could potentially And she said,
first of all, do not say where I work or
my name. She said, but if your employer ever comes
to you and tries to have a conversation about that,
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you let them know that, um, you are working to contract,
meaning you are working and doing what you were contracted for.
And if they would like to discuss any of the
responsibilities that go above and beyond what you were contracted
for or what you were told you were supposed to
be doing when you got employed, when you you know,
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I guess got the job, then you need to say
then then yes, then I'm open to having a conversation
because if you are going to give me more responsibilities,
can we discuss how that will reflect in my pay.
I said, girl, that is the best piece of advice,
And I think the takeaway there is I am working
to contract. I'm working to the specifications that you guys
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hired me for. If there are other responsibilities that you'd
like to put on my plate, I think we can
have a fair discussion about it to see what I
could feasibly do. But otherwise, you know, if if there's
not compensation, then we need to discuss that. And that's
totally understandable because she's like, wait, hold on, so now
this is my responsibility and this is my responsive okay
because my manager got le oh, now I have her work. Okay,
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Well that's not what I was hired for. But a
lot of people, Carolyne, I feel like, well maybe not
gen Z and millennials, because they do not give a
single fuck. They will be like, I don't need this
sh it, I'm quitting. I'm out of here. There's so
many other jobs out there. I'm gonna be a TikTok.
I'm gonna be a YouTuber. They have options. Good luck,
they have options. But like people that like married people,
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people with responsibility, people with children, single moms. You know,
it's like they allow you know, to work, work to
creep into their personal time because they're afraid of giving
pushback and possibly losing their job. So it's just it's
the weird situation. It's like, yeah, you want to take
a stand, you want to separate yourself from work at
a certain time. But then I think it all starts
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from the top. Carolina also I agree. I think I
think bosses, Yeah, bosses be like, you know what, it is,
seven pm, it is a Friday night. Maybe I should
wait till Monday morning. That would help. Because just getting
the text gives some people anxiety, or just getting the
email and hearing that ping, and some people say, oh, well,
turn off your notifications. Like some people just don't do that.
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They just constantly look and they want to make sure
they're not getting in trouble, and that anxiety that can
kill a person. So I am all for people, you know,
separating themselves from work at a certain time. And also
we have to really really work on you know what
you mentioned with your friend that used to work in radio?
What happened to herts? You know, separating yourself worth from work.
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You are not your job. You are an entire whole
person outside of that title you have, right and one
day you know, I mean, look, everybody comes to a
point in their life where they retire. So what will
you do mentally? How will you be when you retire?
Because look, that job is not always going to be
there for you. You will not be a part of
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the industry forever. So what are you doing to build
yourself up to make sure that you're ready for that
transition later on in life? And when it comes to
quiet quitting, I think it all comes down to how
can employers expect their employees to go above and beyond
if they're not doing the same for them. So if
you are constantly, like we said, if you're motivating your employees,
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if you are there for them, if you are encouraging
them to have work life balance, if you are being
respectful of their time and and only only reaching out
to them in a diary emergency, or if something comes
through and it's a last minute thing like that's the
thing I've always said in our industry, your emergency or
I don't know what I have a phrase for it.
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It's like, your emergency does not get my urgency. Well,
it's true, though, because everything is an emergency. This just
came down or we just got this. No no, no,
no no. Because then sometimes you go through and you
read through the other emails that are on the thread
and you're like, baby girl, you got this email last week,
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and now you're emailing me at nine two pm and
this has to run on the air tomorrow at six o'clock.
Like what, So, your emergency does not require my urgency.
And I think that that's something that you know, goes
back to boundaries. So hopefully, if there are people out
there that are listening right now that have this type
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of a work situation or work dilemma, first of all,
you're not alone. There are many many people who are
in the same boat. But it might give you a
reason to sit back and reflect and say, am I
giving my employers more than they deserve? Am I getting
the feedback and the recognition that I deserve? It really
is time for us to take a pause and and
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reflect on that. And if you're listening and you're a
manager or you're a boss, I think this whole quiet
quitting movement. You know, you should use it to support,
you know, the well being of the people that you manage.
Maybe you know, just you know, encourage that they have
a good work life balance going on, and you know,
just be a good leader and let them know that
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their value, let them know that what they do matters
to the company, that you're their loyalty matters, you know,
just express it. I feel like it if bosses were
more um I guess communicative and let people know, you know,
you're appreciated, have a great weekend. You know what, this
can wait till Monday. That goes a long way. So
if you're a manager, a supervisor, or a boss or
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a business owner, man, take this movement and you know,
do right by your employees before you got ten people
doing the bare minimum behind your back and your business
goes belly up. That part well, honey. On that note,
we will end it here and we want you guys
to know that if you need support, we are always
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I'm Honey German. My parents are Dominican. I was born
and raised in New York City. I love sneakers and
I'm a body positive addicate. I'm Carolina Bermudez, but I
was born and raised in Ohio. I'm a wife, a mama,
and a worker. Be this is life in Spanglish, Honey.
We're going to dive right into this one because I
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brought this topic up to you. I said, we got
to talk about this on Life in Spanglish and you
told me that this is like a whole TikTok trend.
And you know me. I'm not on TikTok, so I
don't know. But we have to bring this to your
attention if you guys aren't aware about it, So, um,
are you ready to dive in? I am ready, Caroline.
I don't watch plenty of tiktoks about this, so I
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have different angles what we talk about today. Well, you know,
I think a lot of people are feeling burnt out
by their job. I don't care where you're working. You
could be working and I You could be working as
a talent on the air like me. You could be
working in digital like honey. Anywhere you know, nurses, doctors,
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any specific career is feeling this because or I shouldn't
say any specific career, but I should say, like everybody
is really feeling the burn. And it sparked this movement
that a lot of people are talking about that you
may be familiar with or you may not be, and
this will be your introduction to it. But it's called
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quiet quitting. And you know it's crazy, Carolina, because we
talked about the create the great resignation and people that
are actually just you know, leaving you know, their jobs
by the thousands. With happy quitting, it's more about some
people maybe not being unhappy at work and being burnt out,
but leaving their job is not an option at all,
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so they stay and they either do the bare minimum
or only what is asked of them. You know, that
whole going above and beyond is a trend that hum
died out, that whole hustle mentality like I'm gonna kill
myself with this job. People are not witted anymore. Yeah,
Like the whole p Diddy like can't stop, won't stop,
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that whole vibe has come to a screeching halt because
I think that you know, there are a number of
factors that I think are a part of the problem.
So we had the pandemic, and I know we can't
keep going back to the pandemic and thinking like, Okay,
we can't keep blaming. We got to move on with
our lives, right. But I think that the pandemic shifted
our perspective on the work life balance. So there were
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a lot of people who realized that they could do
the very same job working from home, and that the
commute and all of the other things that they were
facing on a daily basis, the grind of it all
wasn't necessary. So you have that. I think that really
kind of opened people's eyes to like, wait a minute,
am I really giving my whole life away to this job.
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I also think that maybe people saw how other countries
live and how they deal with work life balance, and
they figured we're doing something wrong here. We're not doing
the right thing by constantly being available for our employers,
or constantly being the person that stays late or you know,
mrs family functions because you have to work. I think
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there are a lot of different factors that we need
to think about when it comes to quiet quitting. So
much like you said, honey, instead of outright saying I'm done.
I've had this, I quit this bitch whatever however you
wanted to say it, instead of going out there and
looking for a new job. There are people who are
just basically saying, you know what, I'm not going to
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go above and beyond. I'm not worried about my performance
review as much. I'm totally content. I don't need to raise.
I'm fine with the way things are, and this is
how I'm going to live my life. I'm gonna do
what I need to do. Like you said, honey, the
bare minimum and that's that. And you know where I'm
seeing it a lot Carolina millennials and gen Z and
whoever comes after gen Z. If they're the workforce and
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they not doing what their parents did, they are rejecting,
you know, the whole live to work lifestyle that are
a lot of our parents had. And it's like, I
gotta make my balls happy, I gotta stay over time,
I gotta come in early. These young people are not
doing this. They're like, this is what I get paid
to do. This is what I am going to do.
I am not, you know, sacrificing my social life. I'm
not sacrificing my personal life. I'm not doing none of
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that for a job. Well, yeah, honey, I think there's
this separation of profession with identity. You know, before I
think that everybody tied their identity to what their profession was.
You know. Look, I have a very dear friend, you know,
um she was working in radio. She was let go
a while ago, and we had a really long discussion,
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and I wanted her to know that I was there
for her, and and she confided in me and said,
you know, one of the hardest things about losing this
job is that this defined who I was. I was
always in radio. I was always associated with the medium,
whether it was podcasting or having a show. And I
think that that's kind of what is a wake up
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call to a lot of people. And when you hear
the phrase quiet quitting, the first thing that I thought,
I'll be honest with you want to heard quiet quitting.
I'm like, land, you know what, Like, that's not right.
These people are lazy. It has nothing to do with lazyness.
After I started really researching it and learning more about it,
and some people they want the name change. They're like,
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you know, it's a great message. It's going viral. People
are talking about it all over TikTok, But that whole
quiet quitting has kind of like a negative connotation, even
though I have seen people check out of work, But
I don't know if it's with the expectation of getting
bired and just collecting unemployment or just saying I no
longer what to want this job, but I don't have
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the bulls to quit, so I'm just gonna like hang
out now work, see what happens, keep collecting a free check.
I see it. I don't think that's quiet quitting per
se as far as like the definition that you see
an articles, but quiet quitting is happening in both spectrums. Well,
I think that also we're glossing over the fact that
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this affects other people. When you're quiet quitting, somebody has
to show up, right, so your boss. If your boss
can't get to you, And we were touching on it
about the hustle culture. Basically this is all about setting
boundaries and saying, no, my dude, I'm working from nine
to five. You cannot email me at six o'clock and
asked me to hop on a call. This is where
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people are really drawing the line, right. But then if
you're not available and you're quiet quitting and you're not
taking calls at five pm, somebody else on your team
or somebody else that works in your division, is going
to have to pick up that slack. So I think
that's where a lot of the resentment comes in. Yeah,
if it's a group effort, and let's say it's ten
of us, and we both and all ten of us decide, okay,
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we are going to simultaneously quiet quit at five you know,
f our boss, f his boss, this is what we're
getting paid for. Then it all works out. But then
if you have a group of people that are like,
I am doing only what I am getting paid to do,
But then you have another group of people that are
over here trying to get raises, trying to get promotions,
showing up early, staying late, then they end up picking
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the brunt of the other work. So it's just like,
even though it's good for mental health for those who
opt to quiet quit, then it burns out everybody else
who's trying to pick up the slack and it's trying
to still be a team flair for the company. Because
I think sometimes quiet quitting comes from resentment and hatred
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towards either your boss, your company, lack of opportunity, lack
of raises. You know, I feel like you no longer
see your position or your role with this company as valuable,
and you're no longer going to go above and beyond.
And you know, kudos to you if you have the
balls to be like, nah, boss, it's five oh one.
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I only get paid till five. Please get off my phone.
Own like yo, you gotta be built the right way,
and you really gotta have the cohna is to be
like nojolda Nader. Not everybody's built like that, especially us
the culture we come from Carolina, like hef Amanda, you could.
But you know, like we saw our parents. I saw
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my mom work at factories, twelve hours ships, you know,
as a fore woman, like she killed herself. She never
wanted to upset her bosses because she couldn't afford to
lose these jobs. But you know, gen Z millennials, people
that are still at home with mom and dad, they
don't have mortgages, they might not have all the bills
that maybe a forty or fifty year old has. They
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have this luxury and they are leading the way on
quiet quitting. I think their responsibilities give them that freedom,
and I couldn't agree with you more. I definitely think
that this comes from the top down. I think there
is a disappointment in leadership that leads to quiet quitting
and not where it's like okay, right. I feel like
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that might be the linchpin here for this whole movement,
because if you feel like you're getting recognized by your boss,
if you feel like your boss is constantly, like you know,
giving you that positive affirmation or saying, wow, I really
appreciate you going above and beyond thing, you're going to
do more. But if you never get that and you're thinking, well,
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they're intruding on my personal time, they're never giving me
the time off that I asked for. You know, there's
a number of things that factor into the quiet quitting,
but I definitely think that it's more the resentment toward
management that makes people move more toward it than anything. Um.
You know. One of the things that I was going
to touch on two was like the work life balance.
Everybody talks about work life balance. I don't think the
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work life balance really exists when you constantly have a
way for people to get in touch with you. I
think that's just two in the world that we live in.
Because before, let's say you were a teacher. Okay, you're
a teacher, you show up at school at seven thirty,
let's say eight o'clock. I don't know. I'm not a teacher,
so I'm making this up. Let's say you show up,
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you know, seven thirty, you're done. After the kids leave,
let's say around three thirty. Okay, Back in the nine
eighties or the nineties, you would go home, you would
take care of your family, you would watch the news,
you'd watch your favorite show, you go to bed, and
you go back into work. Now the accessibility has just
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it's given everybody the opportunity to get to you. So
now if a teacher goes home at three thirty, something
happens and their boss, the principle calls them. If they
don't answer an email, where were you? Why didn't you
answer me? Everything is pressing. Now, it seems it's very pressing,
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and people just have this sense of entitlement that you
should be available to them twenty four hours a day, weekends, nights,
just because you work for the company that they also
work for. That doesn't work that way. You don't you
don't have a contract to be available twenty four hours
a day, and I feel like post pandemic, this became
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just a problem, Carolina, where people no longer have boundaries,
and bosses are like, yeah, well you're in your house.
It's seven o'clock at night, but your home, Like, I
don't know. It's it's a huge problem now, and I
feel like people are heavily rejecting it. I know people
that if you hit them, let's say on a Saturday,
they will say, I'm not near a computer. I don't
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know what to tell you. I cannot do that right now.
And you know what, Carolina, I love them for it
because it shows like, come on, guys, you can't expect
me a Saturday at three o'clock to be near a computer.
Guess what. I'm in the park with my family. And
those people are the ones that are which is just
as important it is. It's it's super important. Your mental
health is super important. You don't want to live with
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that anxiety of like, oh my god, I always to check.
I gotta check my email every three minutes. It's nine
o'clock at night. Let me check one last time before
I go to bed. It's six am. Let me make
sure nothing happened overnight. It's just like that burnout that
I think that that burnout and constantly feeling like feeling
like you have to be on the clock is what
forcing people to put their foot down and be like, Nah,
five o'clock, I am closing my computer and I'm quitting
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for the day, and I'll see people again tomorrow. And
there's nothing wrong with that, because you're just putting your
foot down if what you're doing is not affecting your
teammates and it is not affecting others that are not
your boss. Because it's like, it's super unfair. That's like
me not doing my work, and then someone who's equivalent
to me, my peer, I am putting them in a
predicament with now they have to stay late and do
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their work because I decided I wanted to quit early.
That's the problem. I've only recently had the nerve to
tell people, no, I'm not available. You know, in our industry,
there's always something, there's always a deal coming through, there's
always an interview that is coming through last minute. So
and so's in town. Can you do this? Can you
do that? Um? I remember a couple of months ago,
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there was an artist that could only do an interview
at five pm on a Friday because they were in
l A. And I, I'm up at four in the morning, guys,
you know what I mean. So I I was like
really thinking about it, and I said, but you know what,
we need to keep those label relations going. There's a
lot of things behind the scenes that people really don't
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know about. And so I sacrificed. At five pm, I
said to my kids, here's the iPad. Mommy needs to
go downstairs for thirty minutes. Okay, not listen. I'm taking
a chance because you know what it's like when you
have your siblings, or when you have your brothers or
two sisters and Mom's not in the room. One of
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them pokes the other one. Then it becomes a fight.
Then this or that happened. So you're really taking a chance, right,
So I ended up doing the interview. I came back
upstairs and it was complete mayhem. My kids had gotten
in a tussle. I was just gonna say, what did
you find that they on the wall? Oh no, no,
they were fighting. He did this, he changed the channel.
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It was just total chaos. And I said to myself
at that point, you can't Carolina, how old are they now?
They can't care for themselves. No, they're six and eight.
But in my mind they're little. And that's why I
say to people like, yeah, you know, you can leave
in eleven year old or a thirteen year old alone
and say, hey, watch TV or get on your phone
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or do TikTok or whatever. I mean. These are still
little guys, you know, I guess yeah. And so I
came upstairs and I had to referee the fight, and
they both got in trouble, and I thought to myself, like,
why why did I do this? Why did I compromise
what in my gut I knew I shouldn't be doing.
But I did it anyway because I wanted to look
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good for this label so that they could get their
artists interview on the air. So from that point on,
I said, no way. My day starts five hours earlier
than most people. Most people start at nine am. Let's
say eight nine am. I am done by noon. You
hit me up afternoon, I will get to you the
next day. So much so that um, you know, just
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last week I had somebody reach out to me and
it was on a Friday. Hey, any chance, you can
hop on a call at three o'clock. I said, no,
I cannot. We can tackle this on Monday. Do you
have time at ten thirty after my show is done.
So I think that there's a way to finesse it,
and there's a way to let people know that you
have your boundaries without outright saying hey, I'm not willing
to do this. You know who has a big problem
with that, people pleasers, And I've been guilty of being
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a people pleaser for years, Carolyne. I hate I hate
saying no. I don't want people to be mad at me.
I feel like people are going to be resentfuled if
I say I can't do something. I feel like people
are not gonna look for me to work on different
projects if I say no one time. And I've taken
control of that, and you know, things that I used
to participate in, let's say, week after week that I
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really didn't want to do. Now I'm like, okay, maybe
every other week I'll say no. Maybe every three weeks
i'll say yes, you know. And I'm kind of like
trying to balance that out because it also leads to
burnout when it comes to work, and burnout is not
just difficult for the employee, but it's also costly for
the employers because people with with burnout, you know, they
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end up taking time off, they worked the least amount
as possible, or a not at full capacity because they're tired,
they're burnt out, and they're now they were sent they're like, yo,
these people are working me to the core. Fuck them. Well,
you know what, honey, I was going to ask you,
because you work in a space that never stopped. When
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when I think of digital, I think of all of
the things that you have coming at you, all of
the stimuli, everything that is happening throughout the day, whether
it is breaking news in the world news or entertainment news,
or whether it's a big announcement that the station is
going to be running. So I have been curious as
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to how you find a way to manage that because
I feel like I'm just constantly seeing, like your posts,
what you do, You're grind and I don't know how
anybody in digital can do that. Like my day starts
at like six am with the breakfast club, right Everything
breakfast Club or later has to be rolled out, you know,
and then I'm on pretty much old day. Like if
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if something for Clue comes up, like let's say for today,
I've already shared content for Clue. We've already shared content
for Angie. We were rolled out a breakfast club interview.
That's on TikTok, that's on Twitter, that's on Facebook. It
is over stimulating and it can get I guess you
can get burnt out. I like to take breaks. I
like to, you know, say, okay, for five minutes, I'm
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gonna just unwind. I'm not gonna look at Instagram. I'm
not gonna look at anything. Maybe I'll just look at
emails calmly and softly. Because early I can go ten
hours straight and still not be done with what has
to be done for the day. Because digital is NonStop,
it's ever evolving every day. Oh this changed on Facebook.
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Oh this, So you constantly have to be retraining and relearning. So,
you know, shout out to anybody who works in digital
or social media. We are super unappreciated, not as visible
as we should be. But the work is crucial, it's important,
and it's become more important than a lot of other things.
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At this point. Well, I think that you have a
really great point there, and I think that it's something
that people wouldn't understand because they're not in the industry
and so they don't see what you do. But the
number or I guess I would say the impact that
your work has on the success of the stations is
something that a lot of people can't evengauge, you know,
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from the outside in Rather, people aren't seeing everything that
you do. But something that I thought about is that, like,
whenever I want to relax, I pick up my phone
and I start scrolling. So how do you find time
to relax because you've been literally scrolling all day? So
is that where you're like, oh, this thing is going away? Yeah? No, Ma,
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you know what I mean, Like, I am just going
to like focus on me, Nah, Carolyn, Like I have
to like put the phone down. Let's say, if I'm
done for the day. Let's say, like I try to
check out, like I try to do like seven to
three or six to four, you know, one of one
of those two or six. But at one point I
pick an hour and I'm like, Okay, I'm gonna close
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the phone and I lock it and and I'm like,
if it's urgent, one of my bosses will either call
me or text me. But I have to physically check out.
And then I also set up a schedule on teams,
you know, I give them a full eight hours a day,
and then after that, my team goes away. Like okay,
now I am away. If anything is urgent, someone will
reach out to me. I will check my emails. But
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I'm not actively in front of a computer at our
nine hour, ten hour, eleven hour, twelve. I cannot do
that to myself. Like just that's where you take a
place like once. I feel like, listen, I have been
working my ass off for eight four hours. My eyes
have been open since six am, you know, about two three.
If anybody tells me where were you, I'll be like,
you know where I was at six am? I was working?
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Where were you? Okay, then give me a break. It
is two pm, it is three pm. I've already been
working eight nine hours. I deserve to take a break.
I deserve to go to the gym. I deserve to
take a walk at a park. I deserve to cook
with my family. And I just you know, it doesn't
happen often. I just make sure i'm either I put away,
well it should, it should? You know, every day is different, honey,
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and I want mean to cut you off, but you
just mentioned something that a lot of people I think
is obsolete, and that is taking an hour lunch break.
I had too many friends. I have too many friends
who tell me what an hour lunch break because obviously,
like we don't get time like that. I mean, for me,
on the morning show, I'm eating in between breaks and
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on a commercial during a song whatever, you know. I
mean that. I'm not complaining for myself, but I'm talking
about my friends who have real nine to five jobs.
With the commute it ends up being seven to seven pm,
and they say to me, the days of an hour
lunch break. One of my girlfriends works in the city
and she said to me, I used to be able
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in my lunch break. I had it down, she said,
I used to be able to go grab a salad,
eat the salad really fast, go and get a thirty
minute manicure, come back, you know, finish my job. She goes. Now,
she says, I'm eating at my desk. She's like, I
have salad remnants in my keyboard. And we were cracking
up about it. She was like, this is no way
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to live, though, you know, I mean, this is where
I think the quiet quitting makes sense for a lot
of people. Um case in point. One of my friends
who actually works in HR, we were discussing this and
I said to her, I said, let's talk about this
whole like quiet quitting movement. And she rolled her eyes
and she was just like, girl, do you know how
many companies now have basically given people to three positions,
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to three responsibilities that they've never had before. She said,
that's the reason why quiet quitting is happening. When you
were hired to be a district manager, let's say, but
now you're not just the district manager, you're the district
manager for three locations. That's where people are getting frustrated
because they say, I never sent up for this. I
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was talking to my friend Carly and who works in
HR also, and she's I was like, Hey, what's going on.
She's like, a sucks. Next week, we're gonna let go
of fifty people. I'm like what, I said, what are
you gonna do? You're gonna have hired them? She's like, no,
it's budget cuts. We're gonna spread the work work amongst
the people that are there. So of course people are
going to be resent for They're gonna be like like wait,
hold on to Yeah, fired fifty people and now we
got to do their work and you guys save the
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money and nobody gets raises. So yes, that is exactly
what is happening. Well, I will say this. I asked
my friend for advice, and I said to her, what
should we tell people if they are quiet quitting, if
they are doing the bare minimum, if they get called
out by a manager that says, hey, I've been trying
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to reach out to you and you're unavailable all the time.
Because they'll do that too, they'll try to do the
Jedi mind tricks and have the conversations or or scare
you into thinking that you could potentially And she said,
first of all, do not say where I work or
my name. She said, but if your employer ever comes
to you and tries to have a conversation about that,
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you let them know that, um, you are working to contract,
meaning you are working and doing what you were contracted for.
And if they would like to discuss any of the
responsibilities that go above and beyond what you were contracted
for or what you were told you were supposed to
be doing when you got employed, when you you know,
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I guess got the job, then you need to say
then then yes, then I'm open to having a conversation
because if you are going to give me more responsibilities,
can we discuss how that will reflect in my pay.
I said, girl, that is the best piece of advice,
And I think the takeaway there is I am working
to contract. I'm working to the specifications that you guys
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hired me for. If there are other responsibilities that you'd
like to put on my plate, I think we can
have a fair discussion about it to see what I
could feasibly do. But otherwise, you know, if if there's
not compensation, then we need to discuss that. And that's
totally understandable because she's like, wait, hold on, so now
this is my responsibility and this is my responsive okay
because my manager got le oh, now I have her work. Okay,
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Well that's not what I was hired for. But a
lot of people, Carolyne, I feel like, well maybe not
gen Z and millennials, because they do not give a
single fuck. They will be like, I don't need this
sh it, I'm quitting. I'm out of here. There's so
many other jobs out there. I'm gonna be a TikTok.
I'm gonna be a YouTuber. They have options. Good luck,
they have options. But like people that like married people,
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people with responsibility, people with children, single moms. You know,
it's like they allow you know, to work, work to
creep into their personal time because they're afraid of giving
pushback and possibly losing their job. So it's just it's
the weird situation. It's like, yeah, you want to take
a stand, you want to separate yourself from work at
a certain time. But then I think it all starts
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from the top. Carolina also I agree. I think I
think bosses, Yeah, bosses be like, you know what, it is,
seven pm, it is a Friday night. Maybe I should
wait till Monday morning. That would help. Because just getting
the text gives some people anxiety, or just getting the
email and hearing that ping, and some people say, oh, well,
turn off your notifications. Like some people just don't do that.
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They just constantly look and they want to make sure
they're not getting in trouble, and that anxiety that can
kill a person. So I am all for people, you know,
separating themselves from work at a certain time. And also
we have to really really work on you know what
you mentioned with your friend that used to work in radio?
What happened to herts? You know, separating yourself worth from work.
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You are not your job. You are an entire whole
person outside of that title you have, right and one
day you know, I mean, look, everybody comes to a
point in their life where they retire. So what will
you do mentally? How will you be when you retire?
Because look, that job is not always going to be
there for you. You will not be a part of
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the industry forever. So what are you doing to build
yourself up to make sure that you're ready for that
transition later on in life? And when it comes to
quiet quitting, I think it all comes down to how
can employers expect their employees to go above and beyond
if they're not doing the same for them. So if
you are constantly, like we said, if you're motivating your employees,
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if you are there for them, if you are encouraging
them to have work life balance, if you are being
respectful of their time and and only only reaching out
to them in a diary emergency, or if something comes
through and it's a last minute thing like that's the
thing I've always said in our industry, your emergency or
I don't know what I have a phrase for it.
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It's like, your emergency does not get my urgency. Well,
it's true, though, because everything is an emergency. This just
came down or we just got this. No no, no,
no no. Because then sometimes you go through and you
read through the other emails that are on the thread
and you're like, baby girl, you got this email last week,
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and now you're emailing me at nine two pm and
this has to run on the air tomorrow at six o'clock.
Like what, So, your emergency does not require my urgency.
And I think that that's something that you know, goes
back to boundaries. So hopefully, if there are people out
there that are listening right now that have this type
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of a work situation or work dilemma, first of all,
you're not alone. There are many many people who are
in the same boat. But it might give you a
reason to sit back and reflect and say, am I
giving my employers more than they deserve? Am I getting
the feedback and the recognition that I deserve? It really
is time for us to take a pause and and
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reflect on that. And if you're listening and you're a
manager or you're a boss, I think this whole quiet
quitting movement. You know, you should use it to support,
you know, the well being of the people that you manage.
Maybe you know, just you know, encourage that they have
a good work life balance going on, and you know,
just be a good leader and let them know that
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their value, let them know that what they do matters
to the company, that you're their loyalty matters, you know,
just express it. I feel like it if bosses were
more um I guess communicative and let people know, you know,
you're appreciated, have a great weekend. You know what, this
can wait till Monday. That goes a long way. So
if you're a manager, a supervisor, or a boss or
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a business owner, man, take this movement and you know,
do right by your employees before you got ten people
doing the bare minimum behind your back and your business
goes belly up. That part well, honey. On that note,
we will end it here and we want you guys
to know that if you need support, we are always
here for you. You You can d m us. I'm at
the real Carolina on all social media. I am Honey
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German on Instagram and Honey German everywhere else, and I
check all my messages. I haven't been posting lately, but
I've been checking all of your messages. Oh good. Well, yeah,
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