November 14, 2025 • 10 mins
Mark Kunz from BCSN joined the show to talk OSU football as the Buckeyes take on UCLA on Saturday night at the Horseshoe.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Well, you got your wish Ohio State at night, and man,
they are really going to need all that extra fan
support to beat UCLA tomorrow night. Oh my, Mark Coons
is a want us to talk buck eyes? Mark? How
you doing?
Speaker 2 (00:15):
I'm doing well? Toid how are you not bad? Not bad?
Speaker 1 (00:18):
In fairness, the UCLA has definitely earned some respects since
they made the coaching change. But before we get to
all that, let's look back to last week. Ohio State
sort of a workman like dismantling of Purdue as they
took care of business thirty four to ten. And I've
heard some comments from coach to day that they really
(00:39):
wanted to concentrate on the running game and they did.
I mean, you had what five guys with five or
more carries, and they really worked on the run game,
although they passed for three hundred and three yards. I
guess just your take on what you saw last week.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Yeah, one hundred and seventy rushing yards against Perdue, which
is the most Ohio State has had this season against
a power for bow at Morganst. Grambling in Ohio, in Ohio.
So yeah they did. And at the one hundred and
seventy yards, that's not counting these seventy yard touchdown around
bow Jackson had that was called back because of a
perhaps questionable block in the back, certainly jeremiahs that didn't
(01:16):
need to touch that Purdue defender and Jackson was gone
at that point anyways. But yeah, the running game established
themselves snug round against Purdue's not exactly a stout rush defense,
and granted the offensive line still showed some inconsistencies, particularly
at right guard. I think the phrase you use workmanlike
was a proper way to describe that game at times,
(01:39):
called almost like a spring game or an inter squad scrimmage,
and that Ohio State was going to win. You knew
Ohio State was going to win. They knew they were
going to win. Perdue New Ohio State was going to win.
Even the fans knew Ohio State was going to win.
And Ohio State really took that game against Purdue to
work on some specific things, giving some guys playing time,
not only the four running backs, but also defensively. We
(02:00):
saw Riley Pettijohn in early in the game and situations
where perhaps usually that's rfl Reeves, but they were trying
to work on some guys because of injuries on the
offensive line. Ian Moore made his first career start, So
a lot of guys saw playing time against to Purdue.
A lot is just getting some tape and rusting some
of your veteran guys because you didn't need them to
beat Purdue convincingly. Because that's exactly what you did.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Yeah, Buckeye's possessed the ball for almost forty one minutes
in that game. And you know, now the conundrum for
the sports information department of the Ohio State marketing machine
is which guy do we hype for the Heisman? Is
it going to be Julian Saying or Jeremiah Smith.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Well, and if you asked Julian Saying, he says Jeremiah Smith.
If you asked Jeremiah Smith, he says that Julian Saying.
It all goes back to something else that coach Ryan
Day talked about this week, that the players understand the
number one goal is to win games, and if they
win games, if Ohio State as a program is successful,
individual accolades will follow. Right now, everybody is a ligne
(03:00):
on the same goal. It's just to win games. And
they understand they continue to do that, then yeah, they're
gonna get individual accolade. I think there's something like seven
players are semi finalists for like twelve different awards or
something along those lines. So there's been plenty of individual attention.
And right, you can, honestly, you can say Julian Sand
deserves the Heisman Trophy. His accuracy numbers are incredible. But
(03:21):
the counter argument is, well, yeah, he's accuratecause he's got
Jeremiah Smith. He can throw the ball anywhere and a
twelve foot radius and Jeremiah Smith's going to come down
with it some way, somehow. So Jeremiah Smith deserves the Heisman,
but he deserves the highs because Julian Sand is the
one given great passes. So it's going to be a
conundrum for voters, and I think a lot of people
are looking at if it does shakeout. Now we have
(03:42):
Ohio State Indiana in the Big Ten championship game. The
winning quarterback of that game is going to be the
inside favorite to win the Heisman Trophy.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Spoiler alert, The answer is Jeremiah Smith. It's not Julian
saying it's not the hoo's your quarterback. It's Jeremiah Smith, period,
and he should win again next year. Assuming that he
remains healthy and all of that. So we settled that argument.
Now Ucla the Bruins. They were zero to three, as
(04:12):
you may recall, under Dashaun Foster, and they had lost
to New Mexico State, I think it was No New
Mexico and there were many pundits thinking that they were
going to go over. They fired Foster, put in Jim
Skipper or Tim Skipper, excuse me, and since then they
(04:33):
have I don't want to say righted the ship, but
they have posted some wins, including a three game winning
streak against Penn State, Michigan State, and Maryland before losing
to Indiana and Nebraska. So clearly this UCLA team has
at least found its pride over the last month and
a half. Mark What about them though, impresses you?
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Well, you look at statistics and certainly they're bottom of
the barrel of Big ten in most statistics, but they
actually lead the Big ten in red zone offense. They're
like a ninety two. When they get in the red zone,
they score. Problem is they're not getting in the red
zone quite enough. So you got Nico Malavalla, the former
(05:14):
Tennessee quarterback who transferred to UCLA. He certainly is a
dangerous quarterback duel threat guy. You saw how tough he
was last year in that playoff game in Columbus. But
just UCLA just has not been a good fit for
the entire program. As you said, though they didn't win
a couple of games of the Big Ten, they have
kind of got things back into somewhat normal. But you know,
(05:34):
a tough loss last week to Nebraska, and you factor
in the cross country trek, it should be another easy
win for Ohio State.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Yeah. I think the high point of their season, certainly
at the time was the Penn State win, but their
best win was their win in East Lansing. They humbled
Michigan State a few weeks ago thirty eight to thirteen,
and that was a pretty thorough win. They outgained him
by one hundred and fifty hundred and sixty yards and
really looks good. But of course, the other story that's
(06:04):
been getting kicked around about UCLA is that they're trying
to get out of their lease at the Rose Bowl.
They want to go play at Sofi Stadium where the
Rams and Chargers play. You know, I don't think obviously
affects this game at all, but it's interesting to me.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Mark Well. Part of the issue is Sofi Stadium is
a smaller stadium. Rose Bowl is immense, and USLA is
not drawing. Pasadena's not exactly close to Westwood, neither a
Sofi stadium for that matter, So it would be better
optics to be playing in front of, you know, forty
thousand people in a fifty thousand stadium instead of thirty
(06:39):
thousand people in one hundred thousand people stadium. But it's
certainly interesting, and you know, this is obviously the first
time Ohio State and UCLA have played as Big ten foes.
But they've played nine times previously, but only one of
those nine times was on January first as a Rose
Bowl game. Ohio six played in the Rose Bowl against UCLA,
but only one time wasn't the Big ten champions against
(07:01):
the Pac ten champion. At that point in time, they
played regular season meetings eight times, one time in at
the Rose Bowl, And now for the first time they're
playing a Big ten posts this year. You know, if
you've been to the Rosewell, you know what a beautiful
setting it is, what a great setting it is. But
the Rose Bowl on January first is certainly totally different
than the Rosewan a random Saturday in September.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Yeah. I was there for the first Saturday in September
a few years ago, and it was hotter than blazes
in southern California that day, and that place might have
had five people in it. So I think it'd be
very good for their program to get closer to campus.
By the way, it's Sofi Stadium twelve miles from campus,
Rose Bowl twenty six miles, which is like a day
(07:44):
and a half in LA driving time, So I can
see why they want to do it. We'll see how
they sort that out. But the regular season and Rose Bowl.
One of those meetings were in the same season, wasn't
it seventy five? Mark where they beat them out there
and then lost in the Rose Bowl.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Yeah, Ohio State lost to UCLA in the Rose Bowl.
That was Archie Griffin's final game as an Ohio State Buckeye.
Also ended up being the final Rose Bowl game for
Woody Hayes, And that's one of those head scratching games
that you know, Ohio State put so much time and
effort making sure they beat Michigan that a month and
a half later they came out a little flat and
lost the Bowl Game and cost them a chance for
(08:21):
another national title. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Well, and they had whipped UCLA early in the season
in La so I think that was also part of
the reason they were complacent that day, but probably won't
have any complacency tomorrow. Marcus, the Buckeyes take on UCLA.
Wanted to ask you about Carneal Tait. Apparently we take
a minor injury before last week's game, didn't play. Has
there been any lingering concern with that.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Hasn't been a full update. He did warm up against
Perdue and just didn't feel right, according to Ryan Day,
so as we kind of touched upon they didn't necessarily
need him, so let them sit out in terms of precautionary.
On Tuesday, Ryan, they did not have an update yet
on Carnel Tate. It is not believed to be serious.
It could be a situation where they do decide to
hold him out just to make sure he's okay for
(09:09):
Michigan for the postseason. Certainly, you think back a couple
of years ago and a mecha BUCA had that lingering
injury in the way Jackson Smithton jig but not being
healthy in twenty twenty three, ham for the Ohio State offense,
so they want to make sure Carnel Tatus is fully good.
I mean, you saw what the offense. I don't want
to say they didn't miss him. Against Purdue, Jeremiah Smith
(09:30):
still had ten catches, and you started to see more
from Brandon Innis, and then drys and Rodgers and some
other guys got some looks at receiver and Turbo Graham
and those types of guys. Certainly, you want to have
a healthy Carnel Tate. If you don't need the Carnel
Tate against UCLA, if you want to give him another
week to make sure everything is okay, I could see
it playing out that way as well, but as of
(09:50):
right now, it is not thought to be a long
term injury for Carnel Tape.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
That's Mark Coons from BCSN and Toledo talking buck guys
with us. Mark, as always, we appreciate your end foot
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Great thanks for having me on to I'm always looking
forward to it.
Well, you got your wish Ohio State at night, and man,
they are really going to need all that extra fan
support to beat UCLA tomorrow night. Oh my, Mark Coons
is a want us to talk buck eyes? Mark? How
you doing?
Speaker 2 (00:15):
I'm doing well? Toid how are you not bad? Not bad?
Speaker 1 (00:18):
In fairness, the UCLA has definitely earned some respects since
they made the coaching change. But before we get to
all that, let's look back to last week. Ohio State
sort of a workman like dismantling of Purdue as they
took care of business thirty four to ten. And I've
heard some comments from coach to day that they really
(00:39):
wanted to concentrate on the running game and they did.
I mean, you had what five guys with five or
more carries, and they really worked on the run game,
although they passed for three hundred and three yards. I
guess just your take on what you saw last week.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Yeah, one hundred and seventy rushing yards against Perdue, which
is the most Ohio State has had this season against
a power for bow at Morganst. Grambling in Ohio, in Ohio.
So yeah they did. And at the one hundred and
seventy yards, that's not counting these seventy yard touchdown around
bow Jackson had that was called back because of a
perhaps questionable block in the back, certainly jeremiahs that didn't
(01:16):
need to touch that Purdue defender and Jackson was gone
at that point anyways. But yeah, the running game established
themselves snug round against Purdue's not exactly a stout rush defense,
and granted the offensive line still showed some inconsistencies, particularly
at right guard. I think the phrase you use workmanlike
was a proper way to describe that game at times,
(01:39):
called almost like a spring game or an inter squad scrimmage,
and that Ohio State was going to win. You knew
Ohio State was going to win. They knew they were
going to win. Perdue New Ohio State was going to win.
Even the fans knew Ohio State was going to win.
And Ohio State really took that game against Purdue to
work on some specific things, giving some guys playing time,
not only the four running backs, but also defensively. We
(02:00):
saw Riley Pettijohn in early in the game and situations
where perhaps usually that's rfl Reeves, but they were trying
to work on some guys because of injuries on the
offensive line. Ian Moore made his first career start, So
a lot of guys saw playing time against to Purdue.
A lot is just getting some tape and rusting some
of your veteran guys because you didn't need them to
beat Purdue convincingly. Because that's exactly what you did.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Yeah, Buckeye's possessed the ball for almost forty one minutes
in that game. And you know, now the conundrum for
the sports information department of the Ohio State marketing machine
is which guy do we hype for the Heisman? Is
it going to be Julian Saying or Jeremiah Smith.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Well, and if you asked Julian Saying, he says Jeremiah Smith.
If you asked Jeremiah Smith, he says that Julian Saying.
It all goes back to something else that coach Ryan
Day talked about this week, that the players understand the
number one goal is to win games, and if they
win games, if Ohio State as a program is successful,
individual accolades will follow. Right now, everybody is a ligne
(03:00):
on the same goal. It's just to win games. And
they understand they continue to do that, then yeah, they're
gonna get individual accolade. I think there's something like seven
players are semi finalists for like twelve different awards or
something along those lines. So there's been plenty of individual attention.
And right, you can, honestly, you can say Julian Sand
deserves the Heisman Trophy. His accuracy numbers are incredible. But
(03:21):
the counter argument is, well, yeah, he's accuratecause he's got
Jeremiah Smith. He can throw the ball anywhere and a
twelve foot radius and Jeremiah Smith's going to come down
with it some way, somehow. So Jeremiah Smith deserves the Heisman,
but he deserves the highs because Julian Sand is the
one given great passes. So it's going to be a
conundrum for voters, and I think a lot of people
are looking at if it does shakeout. Now we have
(03:42):
Ohio State Indiana in the Big Ten championship game. The
winning quarterback of that game is going to be the
inside favorite to win the Heisman Trophy.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Spoiler alert, The answer is Jeremiah Smith. It's not Julian
saying it's not the hoo's your quarterback. It's Jeremiah Smith, period,
and he should win again next year. Assuming that he
remains healthy and all of that. So we settled that argument.
Now Ucla the Bruins. They were zero to three, as
(04:12):
you may recall, under Dashaun Foster, and they had lost
to New Mexico State, I think it was No New
Mexico and there were many pundits thinking that they were
going to go over. They fired Foster, put in Jim
Skipper or Tim Skipper, excuse me, and since then they
(04:33):
have I don't want to say righted the ship, but
they have posted some wins, including a three game winning
streak against Penn State, Michigan State, and Maryland before losing
to Indiana and Nebraska. So clearly this UCLA team has
at least found its pride over the last month and
a half. Mark What about them though, impresses you?
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Well, you look at statistics and certainly they're bottom of
the barrel of Big ten in most statistics, but they
actually lead the Big ten in red zone offense. They're
like a ninety two. When they get in the red zone,
they score. Problem is they're not getting in the red
zone quite enough. So you got Nico Malavalla, the former
(05:14):
Tennessee quarterback who transferred to UCLA. He certainly is a
dangerous quarterback duel threat guy. You saw how tough he
was last year in that playoff game in Columbus. But
just UCLA just has not been a good fit for
the entire program. As you said, though they didn't win
a couple of games of the Big Ten, they have
kind of got things back into somewhat normal. But you know,
(05:34):
a tough loss last week to Nebraska, and you factor
in the cross country trek, it should be another easy
win for Ohio State.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Yeah. I think the high point of their season, certainly
at the time was the Penn State win, but their
best win was their win in East Lansing. They humbled
Michigan State a few weeks ago thirty eight to thirteen,
and that was a pretty thorough win. They outgained him
by one hundred and fifty hundred and sixty yards and
really looks good. But of course, the other story that's
(06:04):
been getting kicked around about UCLA is that they're trying
to get out of their lease at the Rose Bowl.
They want to go play at Sofi Stadium where the
Rams and Chargers play. You know, I don't think obviously
affects this game at all, but it's interesting to me.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Mark Well. Part of the issue is Sofi Stadium is
a smaller stadium. Rose Bowl is immense, and USLA is
not drawing. Pasadena's not exactly close to Westwood, neither a
Sofi stadium for that matter, So it would be better
optics to be playing in front of, you know, forty
thousand people in a fifty thousand stadium instead of thirty
(06:39):
thousand people in one hundred thousand people stadium. But it's
certainly interesting, and you know, this is obviously the first
time Ohio State and UCLA have played as Big ten foes.
But they've played nine times previously, but only one of
those nine times was on January first as a Rose
Bowl game. Ohio six played in the Rose Bowl against UCLA,
but only one time wasn't the Big ten champions against
(07:01):
the Pac ten champion. At that point in time, they
played regular season meetings eight times, one time in at
the Rose Bowl, And now for the first time they're
playing a Big ten posts this year. You know, if
you've been to the Rosewell, you know what a beautiful
setting it is, what a great setting it is. But
the Rose Bowl on January first is certainly totally different
than the Rosewan a random Saturday in September.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Yeah. I was there for the first Saturday in September
a few years ago, and it was hotter than blazes
in southern California that day, and that place might have
had five people in it. So I think it'd be
very good for their program to get closer to campus.
By the way, it's Sofi Stadium twelve miles from campus,
Rose Bowl twenty six miles, which is like a day
(07:44):
and a half in LA driving time, So I can
see why they want to do it. We'll see how
they sort that out. But the regular season and Rose Bowl.
One of those meetings were in the same season, wasn't
it seventy five? Mark where they beat them out there
and then lost in the Rose Bowl.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Yeah, Ohio State lost to UCLA in the Rose Bowl.
That was Archie Griffin's final game as an Ohio State Buckeye.
Also ended up being the final Rose Bowl game for
Woody Hayes, And that's one of those head scratching games
that you know, Ohio State put so much time and
effort making sure they beat Michigan that a month and
a half later they came out a little flat and
lost the Bowl Game and cost them a chance for
(08:21):
another national title. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Well, and they had whipped UCLA early in the season
in La so I think that was also part of
the reason they were complacent that day, but probably won't
have any complacency tomorrow. Marcus, the Buckeyes take on UCLA.
Wanted to ask you about Carneal Tait. Apparently we take
a minor injury before last week's game, didn't play. Has
there been any lingering concern with that.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Hasn't been a full update. He did warm up against
Perdue and just didn't feel right, according to Ryan Day,
so as we kind of touched upon they didn't necessarily
need him, so let them sit out in terms of precautionary.
On Tuesday, Ryan, they did not have an update yet
on Carnel Tate. It is not believed to be serious.
It could be a situation where they do decide to
hold him out just to make sure he's okay for
(09:09):
Michigan for the postseason. Certainly, you think back a couple
of years ago and a mecha BUCA had that lingering
injury in the way Jackson Smithton jig but not being
healthy in twenty twenty three, ham for the Ohio State offense,
so they want to make sure Carnel Tatus is fully good.
I mean, you saw what the offense. I don't want
to say they didn't miss him. Against Purdue, Jeremiah Smith
(09:30):
still had ten catches, and you started to see more
from Brandon Innis, and then drys and Rodgers and some
other guys got some looks at receiver and Turbo Graham
and those types of guys. Certainly, you want to have
a healthy Carnel Tate. If you don't need the Carnel
Tate against UCLA, if you want to give him another
week to make sure everything is okay, I could see
it playing out that way as well, but as of
(09:50):
right now, it is not thought to be a long
term injury for Carnel Tape.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
That's Mark Coons from BCSN and Toledo talking buck guys
with us. Mark, as always, we appreciate your end foot
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Great thanks for having me on to I'm always looking
forward to it.
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