May 22, 2025 • 46 mins
Brock Mosley sees some issues with professional tournament fishing but it's something that can change and it's a bit "old school." Mosley also has some faith in the new generation and where the technology is headed.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Rock Mosley has been a bass Master Elite for the
last ten seasons. He got to win just a couple
of years ago on the Sabine River. Happy to have
him on. There was some drama that popped up recently.
I'd heard through some grapevines, though, that it wasn't one
hundred percent of what people on social media said, because
I had heard from a really good source that Davy
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Height did not try to get you kicked off the elites.
I don't know where that rumor came from unless there's
more to us than that.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
I don't know where if it all got started. And
I'm quite frankly, I'm like, I just want to show
up and fish and do my job and that's it. Like,
I mean, there's so much drama around our sport right now,
and I don't want to be like, I want to
stay hysterious clear as far from as I can.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Did all that stuff kind of throw you off with
the Sabine No.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
No, I mean it was just tough, like what I
won two years ago. I never caught one over two
pounds in practice. It just wanted The deals were a
few more or less catch the good ones in the
tournament and it just all works out. I guess your
time to win. When I got on TikTok the night
before the tournament and seen somebody had started talking about
this kind of stuff like it had me worried, I'm like,
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oh crap, Like I'm gonna get in trouble for something
I had nothing to do with. People have asked me
questions like, man, I'm just here to fish. That's it right.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
It's like Marshawn Lynch when he sat down in front
of the press and he was like, I'm just here,
so I don't get fine kind of deal catching fish.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
And promoting sponsors, and that's what I'm here to do.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Bro, you killed me a couple of years ago when
you went on the Sabine. I thought it was awesome
that you won, but you obviously want a tournament where
guys are catching, you know, one and a half two
pound fish like we were just talking about. Is that
how you envisioned your first win as an elite to
be is to be in a tournament where you're fishing
for smaller fish.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Well, you know, I don't know if I ever envisioned
my first win or not especially several times, but one
of my most favorite classics looking back on is three Rivers,
you know in Pittsburgh, just because nobody knew who was
going to win, Any bite could change the outcome. And
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I've always those kind of tournaments has always kept my
attention more where I'm from, you know, that's kind of
what we're faced with every weekend as a tournament angler,
is you go fish for seven or eight bites a
day and they wait what they wagh. There's no like, hey,
I'm going to go fish to win. You go fish
for bytes and they weigh what they weigh, and if
you win, you win. And those kind of tournaments keep
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my attention longer because even as an angler, like I know,
one swing at the back can change the whole outcome
of the tournament.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Is it impressive that Pat was able to lead every
single day at a place like Sabine based off of
what you were just talking about.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Well, we've seen it in years past. He didn't necessarily
have that fourteen to fifteen pound day, but somebody has
that bigger day which he had to twelve pounds to
start the tournament, and then you just kind of guard it.
We seen Hackney do it. I didn't necessarily do it
until day two when I won. But once you get
a lead in that tournament, you don't you try not
to make mistakes.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Daniel and I were talking about this last week. We
were talking about Lake Fork and how I don't think
a century belt matters on Lake Fork because to me,
it's like, okay, everybody in the top ten had over
one hundred pounds. I think that's the place that if
you get over one hundred and twenty five, then you
start giving out accolades because of how big those fish are.
But I love that you go from a big bass
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fishery Lake lake Fork and then you're like, well, we're
going to go over to the Sabine. If we get
a three pounder, we're lucky.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Now. This go around at Sabine was by far of
the tough history. You couldn't have drawn up worse conditions
on paper. We had high waters and all three rivers
or all three systems, and then you had high winds
which was holding up the tide, and it just equals
terrible fishing conditions. I mean, it's even like that on
the Mississippi Gulf coast. You have those conditions. For some reason,
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those bigger fish do not want to buy and that's
what we were forced with last week. And uh, you know,
it was one of the deals where it was a
mental grinder. So hats off the pat for figuring out
and coming away with a victory, because I mean, all
in all, somebody's got to win.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Yeah, and he definitely did. I mean it was it
was a grind to watch. But just like you said,
I was very interested in watching how that tournament went
down because every fish that got caught, you started to wonder, Damn,
is this the one? Is this a fish that's going
to change the momentum, change the outcome of a day.
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We get to fish in Alabama where we've got Lake
Gunnersville a couple hours away, We've got the Cousa River
in our backyard. We see all different styles of fishing.
What style of fishing would you say best fits brock
Mosley for the way you like to fish.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Man, I would consider myself a junk fisherman. You know,
you guys say you're Coasta River guys. Well, I grew
up Bigbee. Oh yeah, those areas and you know, if
you've ever fished them, you know it's tough. Like I mean,
you may catch one on a buzz bait, you may
catch an one on a frog, you may catch one flipping,
I mean, square billing. There's so many different ways that
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you could put one in the boat. I mean, it's
just so I consider myself a jump fisherman, and that's
kind of what I based my career on.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
You were talking about you were talking about Sabine and
how the conditions on paper weren't great. I started to
think while you were talking about the rising waters that
it felt a lot like Lake Demopolis with the Tom
Bigbe and the Black Warrior coming together.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Yes, when I.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Fished a tournament down there a couple of weeks ago,
we were three feet below full pool. I give air
quotes because you just never know on that place. And
then the next day overnight we had some rain. It
went up four foot. So that's a seven foot swing.
Is that kind of what happens on the Sabine too?
You have drastic changes in water.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
But yeah, I mean, and they've had so much rain
in East Texas this year. I mean, you know, the
Trinity River was blown out. It comes from Conroe. I
believe the Sabine was blown out from Taleda Ben the
nat just uh, you know, it was blown out from Rayburn.
I mean they just all all the rainfall had just
taken a toll on it. And then you have twenty
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nine hour winds every day blowing from the south, blowing
against that water trying to escape, and it just holds
the water up, holds the tides up. And you know,
if you've ever fished a tidal body of water, that
those fish pretty much you know, their menu is based
on the tide. So they really just don't get real
you know, hungry or you know, they don't feed a
whole lot. I guess you would say when that water
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gets held up, when it gets when it throws the
little curveball to them.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
When you have a title fishery like you were dealing
with in Texas, but then you go over to the
East coast and you're in the mid Atlantic and you're
dealing with some of those tidle fisheries. How different are
they for performance?
Speaker 2 (06:58):
You know, you know, it's kind of you know, how
a south wind will hold up the Gulf, it's kind
of the same way if you have an east wind
on the Atlantic. I mean, it just keeps that water in.
You know, we've seen it a few weeks a month
or so ago at Paspa Tank. You know, that place
wasn't necessarily revolving around the tide. It was more of
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a wind tide than the actual tide itself. So every
day was it was like it threw you a curveball.
You know, it may be just a difference from a
southeast wind to a southwest wind. I mean it changed
to tide up and the way the water pail every day.
So you know, I always liked tidle fishery. It's it's
one of them things that it's it's it's it's a
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hard puzzle to put together. And that's what we all are,
you know. You know, we're kind of like old ladies
that like to put puzzles together. And the harder the better,
you know.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
I mean, you've you've dropped a couple of hints that
you were a former baseball player. I mean you've said
you've said curveball. Just a couple of minutes ago. What
position did you.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Outfield? I'm actually got the SEC tournament on right now.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Oh you should just come down here. We'll get your
tickets and you can go to any game you want.
It's ten minutes away, right.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
I'm an old miss guy, so they don't play till tonight.
They probably won't play till nine o'clock tonight. But college
baseball is just I've got a passion for heart and
a huge fan of it, you know, and SEC baseball
is just man, I just yeah, yeah, it's fun. It's
fun to watch.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
The SEC and anything. It's it's unreal to watch. Like
when people talk about football and they say I went
to Penn State. I played baseball at Penn State for
a year and we have a good football program in
the Big Ten. But even the Big Ten, it doesn't
hold a candle to what the SEC is able to do. Yeah,
it just means more So, how did baseball a team sport,
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factor in to you being a professional high level as
a solo individual.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Well, more or less, work ethic is what carry over.
You know. I grew up at a high school that
was just ungodly with talent. I mean it was one
of them deals where I hit, you know, over four
hundred my senior year with ten home runs and I
batted six in high school and just.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
All had some hammers, yes.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
And I mean we had over three guys that could
throw ninety off the mound. I mean we were just
it was a group I grew up playing with from
tee ball all the way through high school and we
were just we're good. And I was just one of
them guys where I felt like I had to work
extra hard to try to match their talent would just work,
if that makes sense. So I've always had good work
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ethic and I've just tried to carry it over to
my fishing. And if I do bad or have a
bad tournament, I don't want to look back back. Man,
I could have practiced more or done something different, you know,
worked harder, tried harder. I don't want to leave any
excuses on the water.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
So do you feel like you're one of those guys
that's kind of misunderstood because you are a grinder, somebody
who has to dig and dig and dig to prove themselves.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
A man. It's just I don't know if I if
I misunderstood or not. But you know, it's a respect thing.
I you know, respect, It's one thing you can't you
can't buy. You got to earn it. And I've always
trying to earned everybody's respect.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Yeah, I've always been a I've always been in my
ror of what you've been able to do because you're
sneakily good. I mean you you see some of your
stats and you just go, dang, this dude is like
finishing the top thirty pretty considerable in your In your career,
you've seen a lot of guys who they can finish
in the top ten, but then they're down in the
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low eighties and you just don't. It's almost like you
don't see that middle ground. Those guys who just day
in and day out catch five bring them to the scales,
continue to finish well in the AOI you're one of
those guys.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Well, you know, I guess I based my career off
a couple of heroes. You know. I've always looked up
Tod and Andy Morgan, and if you look at them guys,
they really don't have any wins to their credits, but
if you look at their top tens and their angler
the year finishes, you know, consistency is what usually pays
in the sport, you know, in the long run, and
I just try to be as consistent as possible. You know,
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Like I said earlier, I don't really fish to win,
so to speak. I've always fished for bites and just
doing my job, going in making cuts, and making checks
and getting points and going the next one. And that's
kind of how I've gone about my career.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Does AOI mean more to you?
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Absolutely? Absolutely. I mean, you know I came up short
of winning it a couple of years ago the year
Clark one, I lost by fifteen points, and you know,
it's just one of the things you strive for. And
you know, with poor face and so onar now it's
kind of made it a little harder because you know,
I'm still trying to trying to jump fish when I
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need to be looking at my screen. But it's always
the goal, man, I mean, every year you want to
start out and shoot for Angler.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
To hear, Daniel, you had a question about some of
the younger guys that are coming up since you brought
up forward facing sing our brock uh Daniel, go ahead, Yeah,
I mean you pretty already much asked the question.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
But Brock, what do you think about the younger guys
in the sport?
Speaker 1 (12:16):
Right now?
Speaker 2 (12:17):
We don't have meetings anymore like we used to, so
you know you don't with that, you don't have the
angler relations that we used to have pre COVID when
we was having meetings. You know, you were in a room,
you know, once once a week with these guys. So
and I've said this to try to get us to
go back to meetings, and I feel like we will
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one day. But you know, you kind of don't get
to know guys anymore. You don't have them that that
time where you sit down and just you know, get
to know these guys. And uh. You know, one thing
I will say, you know, to college level, uh in
the high school level, is it's definitely prepared these guys
better than you say, you know where I was coming up.
These guys are good. I mean I'm not you can't
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take anything away from him. You still got to catch
fitch at the end of the day. So I wish
we would go back to, like, you know, those meetings
and dinners where you can get to know these guys,
because I remember sitting in my rookie year, sitting in
the room and I was scared talk. I mean the
last event of the year, edwin Ewers finally yelled at
me across the water and said, hey, man, what's your name?
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Because I never talked. I was scared to talk. I
was intimidated.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
So you were talking about some of the guys that
you looked up to. That's probably why you didn't say much.
I mean, you're sitting in a room with absolute hammers.
You've got Gerald Swindle, guys that have been operating at
a high level in the sport for a long time.
You walk in as a rookie, you're gonna put the
ego down a little bit, and you're surrounded by all
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the greats. I mean, you got Rick Klun van Dam.
Was Van Dam still on or did he leave?
Speaker 2 (13:52):
And oh yeah, yep.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
So you're walking into absolute royalty as a rookie.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
My first, uh, my first second place finish was the
Van Dam yep. And that was the first time he
spoke to me. He told me, good job as I
walked off stage. Where was that rock? Saint Lawrence River?
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Nice? So a kid from Mississippi goes up to the
Saint Lawrence River and finish the second to Kevin Van Dam.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Yeah, I mean then you know, I'm in my early twenties,
and I was like, man, I haven't done a whole
lot of smallmouthfishing. So I actually went up and pre fishing.
I spent almost three weeks in upstate New York just
traveling around with all the bodies of water, learning how
to small mouthfish, and and you know, I ended up
finishing second there, and then two tournaments later, I finished
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second to Christy own Saint Clair. So my first two
seconds were actually on smallmouth bodies of water.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Nice. That's a pretty good intro into professional fishing. When
you would spend that time in upstate New York or
really anywhere you're not allowed to fish the body of
water that you're going to be in a tournament with.
But would you find yourself jumping into jackpots or Tuesday
nighters or whatever just to kind of see.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
No, no, uh, I didn't want to, you know, I
didn't want to do something to kind of put my
name out there, you know, damage my name. Will brought
Mosley's been out here all week and fishing the lake,
and he just decides he's gonna jump in our tournament
when we've been at work all week.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
That happens here all the time, Yeah, all the time.
I mean you could have. You can have a random
Tuesday night or and all of a sudden you see
an elite truck and bowm or somebody from the MLF
roll up and you're just like, damn, what the fuck
am I going to do this tournament.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Yeah, you know, sadly, our sport is like ego driven,
and I tried not to be one of them ego guys.
Like I try to be the humble guy. You know.
I just want to go out there and do my
job and you know, have a good time and try
to be you know, a good role model. Uh. Sadly,
that's you know, a bunch of kids look up to us,
dumb rednecks on tour we have to put on you know.
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You know, I try to be a good role model
and show guys that, you know, it ain't all about Hey,
I'm here to beat you and that's it. You know,
it's all about you know, making a living and supporting
my family.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
Do you see things that happen on tour that makes
you really question the ego and question kind of where
the sport is going.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Well, yeah, but I don't think it's just our sport.
I mean, like I said, here, I got you know,
the SEC tournament on TV nowadays. You know, going back
to baseball talk, you see kids hit a home run,
they want to see how good of a bat flip
they can have to embarrass the picture. I mean, that's
that's just not what I grew up doing. And it's
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across all sports. You know, you just instead of just
taking the success and the victory and just going on
the next one, they want to taunt a little bit
and let you know they do it then. But one
thing about fishing is, you know, it's a humbling sport,
Like you can be humbled really quick. And we've seen
guys here recently. They'll compete for angler to year or
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win angler the year, and then the very next season
they're not even in the classic cut. I mean, this
sport can humble you real fast. I mean you can
be on a heater and then all of a sudden,
it just like you forgot how to catch a fish.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
So I think that a lot of that comes from
and you and I both being former baseball guys. As
soon as they started giving out these World Series rings
in all these travel tournaments with eight U, that's where
I feel like this problem. And then you have the
kids who have all the braided necklaces and they've got
the oven mit and it's giant in their back pocket.
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I look at all that and I go, y'all, don't
even realize how good one you got it? Because your
parents put a lot of this up for you by
traveling you to all these games, putting up the money
for it, because that stuff is not cheap. That was
the downfall to me when it came to sports.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Yeah, I like watching the guys on TikTok that do
nothing but kind of make fun of these travel ball parents,
And like, I was sit there and watch these guys
all day because they're really creative and it's pretty funny
and entertaining.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
It has gotten to the point where a lot of
sports though, that you're no longer a two sport athlete.
You know, when you and I were in high school
and we were kind of going for that world, you
would hear that a kid was really good at baseball,
but he was also really good at football, and he
might play basketball every once in a while, so you
would hear it. Now kids are so hyper focused into
one thing and that's it. You think that's going to
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burn them out a little bit, because we see it
with some kids in fishing.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
Absolutely, dude, I got burned out and I was a
two sport guy. You know, I played for a state
championship in high school for football, and you know, it
was just what you did. You played football in the fall,
and then springtime was baseball, and I still got burned out.
And you know, I don't see how these kids do it,
like I honestly don't know, even though if they're playing
for themselves or if they're playing for their parents. Nowadays,
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it's just just is what it, you know, is what it.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
Is in watching the rest of the season kind of unfold.
You've done well this year. I mean, it's probably not
to the standard that you want because you're brock Mosley
and you want to be awesome every time you go out.
How does the second half of the year look for you? Well,
you know, I mean, obviously you're dominant on small Mouth.
We already figured that out earlier.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Poor place and so on on. But you know, I
always look forward going up north, you know, especially in
August down here in the South, you guys know, it's
it's uncomfortable. You can't go outside.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Even satan sweating. It's hot.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Yeah, And to go up north and it'd be comfortable
and you can get out and enjoy a couple of
days of fishing. You always enjoy it. But you know,
this year it's been it's been Okay, I can't say
it's been great. You know, I look back and I
have two fifty first place finishes, which and I looked,
I'm three ounces from making five out of six cuts,
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and that's all I try to do is make cuts.
But you know, look forward to going small amount fishing
on Saint Clair and then ending the year on lacrosse.
Lacrosse is always a good time if you can find them,
and then the wild card's gonna be tim killer here
in a few weeks. You know, I've been there one time,
and a lot of guys hadn't had any experience there,
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so the only time I've been there has been in
the fall. So we'll see what it's like in the
summertime and hopefully we can put together three good tournaments
to finish the season. Out.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
You mentioned making a cut. You obviously miss Sabine by
one spot. That's a hard pill to swallow. Now with
the fact that there's no entry fees in the payouts
or fifty five hundred for fiftieth place, does that change
your mentality for how you're fishing every week?
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Oh, I was more pissed off about missing the points
or missing out on getting more points on Day three
than I was missing the money.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
But I know that sounds bad, but well in retrospect,
it really doesn't because how much does it cost for
you to try ravel for one week?
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Well, the last two weeks on the road in Texas,
we each week had a free place to stay, so
pretty much only had fuel and food those two weeks,
which you know, isn't that bad, especially when they're that
close together and they're not that far from my house,
so it wasn't a whole lot of expense on the
road those two weeks. And you know, getting getting a
check the first week at fort you know, I really
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wouldn't like screaming and crying about missing the check. I
was more pissed off that man I could have got
me like fifteen to twenty more points. You know, it's
kind of a race to the end as far as
the end of the season making that Classic qualification, and
you want to have a point you can get.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
So that's where you're fighting for right now, is the Classic.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
Yeah, I mean that's what you know, the goal to
start every year. And you know I used to used
to want to go into that last event not having
to catch a fish to make the Classic, you know,
having that hundred point cushion, but it's gotten harder and
harder to do over the last two years, so every
point you can get with a little bit of cushing.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
Last, I do want to bring a couple of things
up that have happened this season, just to gain some perspective.
We had a dustin conn Allen on not too long ago,
and we were talking about Ford facing sonar, and I'm
like you, I think it's beaten like a dead horse.
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It's just gotten to the point where everybody has their opinion.
You're not going to change it. But the conversation that
we had was kind of interesting. We were talking about
the pressure that ford facing sonar may actually be doing
to some of these offshore fish. Do you think that'll
give a resurgence of shallow water, even mid shallow water.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Well, you know, we kind of said the exact same
thing when it came to structure scan and it never
really panned out to where fish went back to the bank.
But I do believe now we're catching fish that maybe
aren't necessarily meant to be caught to kind of protect
our fisheries, you know, especially up north, you know, like
Lake Champlain where it's catching fish over ninety foot of water.
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You know, they're just I don't think those fishes necessarily
meant to be caught, but I hope it don't have
a negative effect on our fishies in the long run.
But you know, it's just a tool. I mean, you
got to keep up with technology, and it's just where
we're at in today's game.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
Even keeping up with technology. Where do you see this
technology going?
Speaker 2 (23:31):
I'm not sure, man, there's so much, so much just
you know, people on one side of the fence, people
on another. It's like it's like you're talking about somebody's
baby if you say something bad about it, but if
you I mean, it's just it's our world. Our industry
is so torn right now. I've never seen it like this,
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and I wish it would could be resolved peacefully or
like you know, where everybody gets get along. And I
don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
It seems like a lot of conversations are going that
way though. I mean, you had MLF change their rules
last year. They're probably going to change their rules going
into the next year. In fact, I think that they'll
actually go all the way down through the BFLS and
they'll make some heavy changes with how Ford facing sonar
is used. I don't think the idea to get rid
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of Ford facing sonar is the best idea because every
guy that says they want that, I say, you have
the MPFL, you can go fish the MPFL. I think
it's great that the MPFL brought that to the table
because it gives guys an outlet to do that.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Yeah, and they were looking for a niche, right man.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
It can't be like everybody else.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
You know, that's their marketing tools. So you know, it's
one of them deals where no, I don't think it
should be completely done away with. I mean, it's just
but we're saying that at lake Ford that lake Ford
was pretty much won the exact same way it was
last year, months later in the year, and I think
you go to lake Fork twelve months out of a
year for a tournament, that's the way it could. It
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would be one. I mean, it's just one of them deals.
But you know there's a place mark in our sport
for sure. And you know, all in all, if you
like a crappie fish like a crappie does not stand
a chance.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
That's very true. I don't think I've seen as many
pictures on social media full pales as I have, and
not even pales. I shouldn't even say it coolers. I
mean we're talking about and I do think about ford
facing sonar with the impact on the fisheries when it
comes to species specific like crappie, because everyone knows those
panfish are getting pulled out to go get eaten, and
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in most cases there's some guys that probably waste a few.
But even with catch and release in bass, there isn't
a study that's out there that's saying the populations are hurting.
In fact, they would even argue we need to start
taking more out like those one and a half pounders
to try to give those bigger brief there's an opportunity
to have more food to breed more.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Yeah. Absolutely absolutely, And you know who knows, Like I said,
it's still believe even though it's been around five or
six years, it's still kind of fresh as far as
what we know about it and the impact. But you know,
you can't turn your back to technology. I mean every
sport has had to do it, whether it's golf or baseball.
It's just how can we adapt with it?
Speaker 1 (26:25):
Bro, do you think we're at the like the top
of what forward facing sonar is.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
Like the peak. I've been working with Garman for ten
years now, and all I know about Garment is by
the time their competitors catch up to one of their tools,
they've already got something better coming out or in the work.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
What was that video that everybody saw last year? It
was like the new LVS. I think they said it
was a thirty thirty six or thirty eight, and it
was like legit fish swimming around. It was close enough
to where it wasn't so ridiculous that that thing could
potentially come out. Do we all believe that there will
be a ford facing sonar where you will be able
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to identify that's a bass, not by movement, but just
by sure visual you'll be able to see a fish
swimming underneath.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
Oh that's I mean the guys that are great with
it that they're already to that point. But oh absolutely,
Like that's the thing about Garman. I've been to their
headquarters and it's it don't matter if it's in the
marine or the aviation. They got people in their office
and they're one job is coming up with shit.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
It's a good job to have.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
I mean, yeah, I mean they're just they're iQue people
that are just creating stuff. You know, that's their job.
And by the time you know, like I said, the
competitors catch up with Garman, they already got a better
version of it coming out.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
Here's what I think forward facing Sonar has legit killed.
And I'm sure sure people can argue this Frankensteining baits.
You don't hear as many guys show up to the
ramp and say, man, I took this one bait and
I kind of merged it with this other and I
went out there and I caught twenty fish. But Frankensteining baits.
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That's how. That's how a lot of dudes that are
on the elites one tournament's back in the day, Like,
you don't tell anybody about this?
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Yeah, absolutely absolutely. Now you don't hear about that because
you know, we're not as shallow dominant anymore as we
used to be. Uh that's what it's changed.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
But what was the Frankenstein bait that brock Mosley used
to make.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
I don't know. I can tell you about one in
the classic o conraeuh not Conra Ray Roberts a few
years back when we was there in the summertime. Yeah,
I got so sick and tired of fish slapping my
swim jig as a swim by the bushes that I've
actually put a trailer hook on my swim jig wonderful,
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And I said, you know what, screw it, I'm tired
of them slapping my bait. I mean, I sat down
and I put a trailer hook on and I started
landing them.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
See I like that though. To me, that's where the
real sport of bass fishing comes out, is when you
have somebody who can just make that one subtle adjustment
and it changes the way. And it's not like something
you're gonna do on a regular basis because you're probably
worried about that trailer hook getting hung up in something else.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
But it worked, right, Yeah, it worked that day. I
mean I ended up having the biggest bag of the
tournament that day, or biggest bag that day in the
Classic on day three. But yeah, I mean I got
so fed up with them that I was like, you know, what,
what have I got to lose? I'm fistling trot and
I've never done it before, and I'm fitting to trot, all.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
Right, So how many times have you gone back? To
it since none you have like the greatest day on
the lake and then you're like, you know what, I'm
just gonna that's a one and done deal.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
Yeah. I actually was gonna do it day one and
Lake Fork last week or two weeks go, because they
kept kind of the same thing that that front come
through and it kind of messed them up a little bit.
But they were rolling on my swim jag and I
actually got down and looked and I didn't have any
trailer rooks in the.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
Funny what's the chance, what's the chance that we actually
see Brock do that at some point this year? It
would be like a nod to lines and times it's like,
I'm doing this just for you guys.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
Maybe, I mean, we're going to lacrosse and it's you know,
it's a shallow water deal.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
I love the fact that guys used to create baits
because it really shows just how revolutionary and evolutionary the
sport has become. I think a lot of people talk about,
you know, this sport's been around for a long time.
It hasn't now. You look at major League Baseball that
came out in the late eighteen hundreds and they're still
trying to change stuff that they're doing over there. You
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look at fishing Man, the guys who are the legends
of the game and the ones who created this thing,
they're all still alive. I mean, there's a good amount
of them. Bill Dance, Rick Klon, the these guys who
everybody considers like the gods of fishing, they're still here.
We can't say that about Babe Ruth and all that
kind of stuff. Where do you think fishing ends up?
Speaker 2 (31:11):
You know, I hope it continues to grow, and I
believe it will. The way you know, high school and
college fishing has come about. It's just I think we
all need to come back together. It seems right now
we're so divided as an industry, and it's I mean
it's like last year, for instance, everybody acted like we
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hated all the rookies. I mean, I mean, I got
a rookies traveling with us. This year, Bo Browning is
staying with us. Mean, we don't hate the rookies. But
they had that in their head and they kind of
thought that, and I mean they just it was never
one of them deals where they try to come out
and say, hey, you know what, they don't hate us.
But uh, it's just there's such a divide in our
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sport and it's heartbreaking. I mean, you dude, I've been
in it fifteen years now and it's all I ever
wanted to do, and it's kind of taking a lot
of the enjoyment of the sport out just from the divide.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
There were some dumb ass moves that some people made though,
I mean as rookies.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
Yeah, I mean, I mean they didn't help some of
them didn't help their hands.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
That's my point.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
You know.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
Part of me is like people may not hate you,
that might be your perception that you know everybody's out
to get you, but you also can't do dumb shit
and think that you're just going to get away with it,
especially when you're in a sport where you guys are
asked to turn yourself in or if you bear witness
to something, you're held to a higher standard to do that. Yeah,
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and then social media is just fueling the fire too.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
Yeah. I mean, sadly, a lot of people, a lot
of fans, they think they know they think they know
the anglers, and they i mean they're like, oh, well
he's a good guy. Well, I mean, he may be
a good guy when the camera's on that cut off,
he's just a butthole. Uh.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
But that's not even rookies. There's guys that are veterans
that people have that opinion about, right.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
I mean, I had to learn real quick some of
the guys I, you know, admired growing up. I learned
real quick, Hey, they're not the same person. What was
your welcome?
Speaker 1 (33:21):
What was your welcome to professional fishing? Then when the
minute you realized hole, all right, I'm in a different
level here.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
Ah well, I can tell you from an angler standpoint.
I was at my rookie year. We were at Lake Darnell,
and I started on the shafts boone and the shadows
spawning hard on this grass edge stick when it maybe
one hundred yards look just like the Coosa River, and
I'm like, I just shut down, and I picked up
my troublet and I picked up my rod, making two
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or three casts, and all of a sudden, one of
these proves that I've admired for all these years comes
and starts fifty yards in front of me and starts
going the other way. And that's when I was like, huh.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
This is a little more cutthroat than I expected.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Yeah, yep, because I've always been, like anything, in anything,
I treat people the way I want to be treated.
And like I was like, whoa, maybe you can be
a little bit too bit of a nice guy in
the sport.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
I actually feel like some of that's missing in professional
fishing to get people interested week to week. Yeah, I
feel like there when we were watching fishing in the
mid two thousands to the early you know, twenty tens,
and you would see drama like that on the water,
guys yelling at each other and you know, threatened to
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come back to the boat ramp and handle a like
man and all that kind of stuff. I do feel
like that actually helps a little bit at least get
eyes out on the product. But I hate that for
what it does to the two people who were involved.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
Yeah, and you know, I actually said that on Mercer's
podcast this year. I was like, maybe we need to
dig back down to Denny Brower days when hey, we
settled it at the boat ramp because I said it, well,
if nobody's gonna police it, if we police ourselves, maybe
all this nonsense will kind of cut out. But uh,
like you said, it gives you a bad name. I
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mean everybody. People will start being well, Rock, well he's
the bad guy.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
You know, you're also a brick ship house, Like you're
a big dude. It's not like, you know, it's not
like you're saying to somebody who's really little, like we'll
just go settle this. Nobody wants to throw hands with
Brock Moseley.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
Well, I'm nowhere near the biggest guy on tour. I
mean I try to stay buddies with the biggest guy
on tour just for that reason.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
All right, I want to ask you about the history
of the of the sport a little bit, given what
you see right now with current anglers. Who is the
next Kevin Van Dam.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
Jay Skirt? Why Jay Jay's just good at everything. He
can catch them with four faces on r he can
catch them without it. He may not have the wins yet,
but the du is dude is so cool, calmon collective,
He never says a word. He's one of them that
you don't have to worry about him messing with you
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or like there there's probably seventy percent of the guys
out there that just go about their business and don't
mess with other people, Like don't cutting. You ain't got
to worry about and cutting you off if you're on
a school that you know he ain't gonna pull up
and fish with you. He's one of them guys. He's
just very cool, calmon collective. He hand them himself good
on the water, and the duke can just flat out fish.
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I mean, that's just what it boils down to. So
if I was to say somebody, I would say Jay,
and he's showing it to share. He's blowing away angler
a year right now.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
Who is the veteran that you looked up to when
you were younger, you made it on tour. They may
still be on tour that you still have the utmost
respect for.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
Well, I always look up to Swindle, you know. I
travel with Hank Cherry. I mean, he's fifteen years older
than me.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
He's gonna he's gonna hate hearing that. He's gonna feel
like he's you know, he's like, I'm not that old
man he is, and.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
He eats like a twelve year old. I was like, dude,
if I ate as much as you, I would weigh
three hundred and fifty pounds and he's like, well, you
would only gain thirty pounds.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
And I was like, damn I like how he throws barbs.
That's good, That's yeah. When you met Swindle for the
first time, how how nervous were you?
Speaker 2 (37:43):
You know a lot? And you know, like I said,
you know, when I came on tour, I was competing
against Kevin Edwin Ike. I mean guys that I've been
watching for years, and you know, it's intimidating, you know,
I mean ever since as long as I can remember,
I've been watching these guys fish to classics. I've been
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watching them Win England years, Skeet He's another one. I mean,
they just it was intimidating. I mean, I don't know
if the generation that's coming up now can say the
same thing, because I mean a lot of us they've
been watching. You know, I've been on tour for ten
years now, but a lot of the guys, if you
go look, hadn't been on tour but five or six
years now, right, And I mean I can remember watching
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all them guys when I was just you know, eight
nine years old, and here I was in my twenties
and starting to fish against them, So it was intimidating.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
I used to love when ESPN carried bass Master and
you would hear Zona and Tommy Sanders like literally break
stuff down. I saw a clip the other day and
they were talking about Kevin van Dam throwing a six
xd and one of them had some rattle in it
and the other one didn't. And Kevin would talk about
he'd bomb this six xd out there and he'd fire
up the school. He catch one or two, but then
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the next three casts they wouldn't bite, so he'd let
it rest for about twenty five minutes. Then he'd go back,
he'd throw the silent and they just started whacking on it. Yeah,
and they were, you know, they had all the you know,
they were showing you stumps and these really ridiculous looking
fish sitting behind the stumps, like they broke it down.
Is that missing from professional fishing now?
Speaker 2 (39:19):
I think so. I mean, like that same term that
you're referring to. He also figured out that he would
riel it down and when he felt when eve would
feel that they make contact with the bottom, he would stop.
Really and it said, I remember his own doing an
interview with him, and he's saying, yeah, it took me
like three or four minutes to figure that out. If
I stop my bait when I made contact with the
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bottom that I would get a bite. I mean that
kind of stuff. I think we are kind of missing
that in today's world. Now they're seeing how the fish
react to it on you know, on their stream. Yeah,
so we're missing a little bit of it, that's for sure.
And you know the Sabine River, that's kind of a
blast from the past every year. I mean some people
don't like it, like it, yeah, I mean people getting
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excited over a three pounder. I mean, come on, I
don't want.
Speaker 1 (40:07):
To see nine tournaments like that. Like, I still believe
that the reason why people like professional fishing is they
want to see the biggest fish caught.
Speaker 2 (40:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
You know, MLF just went to my home lake in Virginia,
Smith Mountain Lake, and I am so proud every time
I watch that on TV because I'm like, man, I
know that body of water and it's beautiful, and they
got ten pounders in there, and you want to see
an absolute stud get caught. It's the same reason that
when we were growing up as kids in the middle
of nowhere, we'd go to that country store. You'd see
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the one large mouth or the one striper that got
caught in the lake and it had that badge of
like state record, lake record, whatever it was, that thing.
Now you go back, it's just covered in dust and cobwebs,
but you still love it like it's it's the thing
that fuels you to want to go out and catch more.
Speaker 2 (40:53):
Yeah, and you know, I think the Pascal Tank that
was our first time going there, but I think it
was like a mixture of sabine and four because we
send Kyle, we catch one over ten and we had
I had so many locals talk to me at the
expo of that tournament. They're talking about, man, it's not
uncommon at all to catch thirteen pounders in the tournaments here.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
They talk to you after the tournament, right.
Speaker 2 (41:16):
At the tournament at the expo.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
Listen, I don't want to Scott Martin Matt Hearn's situation yet.
Speaker 2 (41:23):
If I don't make day fours, I have to stay
and work for Dakota Lithium at the expos right and
you know, people interactions what sells. But they're talking right man,
you guys like you guys hadn't scratched the surface on
this place yet. We catch thirteen pounders like it, like
there's one pretty regularly talked and I'm like, thirteen I've
never I've never personally caught a ten pounder. I caught
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a nine to fifteen in an open one year ear.
Speaker 1 (41:47):
That's such bullshit. By the way, I see more nine
to fifteens get read on scales, and I'm like, that
is be at there's something about those scales where they
don't want to give you that one out.
Speaker 2 (41:57):
I agree with you.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
I mean every time I see it and I'm like,
there's no way there's that many nine to fifteens that
are floating around in this world.
Speaker 2 (42:05):
That's right. I mean they probably spit up a shed
in or live where to get one ounce.
Speaker 1 (42:11):
Uh. You were talking about Pasquo Tank and how it
was a new body of water for so many guys.
The big thing that I want to know from you
on that is, what did you say to yourself when
you found out Welcher was beating him up like he
was beating them up.
Speaker 2 (42:27):
Oh, it was no surprise, man, no surprise like it.
It was kind of we had kind of experienced the
same thing at fort last year. They were wanting to
move up, they were wanting to move up on the
bed and we had a cold front come through during
practice and and the fish he was catching off that
we're spawning, We're spawning a little deeper that the front
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didn't really affect. So I wasn't surprise at all. And
and you know Welcher, he's he's one of the best
anglers there is right now. He's one of the hottest anglers.
And no surprise for him to figure it out.
Speaker 1 (43:00):
It's a YouTube channel that he's got. Were you were
you disappointed in yourself though where you were like, man,
I was maybe in that area, or you scan that
area and you just didn't find the same ones, or I.
Speaker 2 (43:12):
Was ticked off at myself for the decision I made
on day three. I spent the first two days in
the top ten, and on day three I was like,
I'm going for one time in my career, I'm going
to fish for big ones. And I caught one fish
that day the other places and you know, scrounging up
a thirteen fourteen pound limit staying and within the top fifteen.
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I lost thirty points that day, and I was more
ticked off at myself on that ride home than any
time I ever have been.
Speaker 1 (43:41):
I tell you, there's nothing worse than going to a
tournament and even catching five and thinking, man, I did
something today, I'm going to move up in the points,
and then you get that text message and they go
you drop twenty places in the points, and you go,
what the like? You try to go back in your
brain about what could I have done better? How did
I not figure this out?
Speaker 2 (44:00):
Absolutely? I mean that is one positive about starting the
tournament outside to cut. Say, if you you know, I
started Sabine and Lake Fork, I think in like the
mid sixties, and both days like I gained even though
I didn't make the cut. At Sabine, I gained twenty
one points at second day of the tournament. I mean,
and that's a lot and same thing at Fork. You know,
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every day I moved up and got more, got more points,
and at the end of the day, when you make
a career out of it, it's all about points. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (44:29):
Brock Mosley joining us on lines and times today we
even get into the fact that he's a die hard hunter.
I mean we normally do talk a hunting every once
in a while. The biggest Bucky ever killed.
Speaker 2 (44:38):
No, I still haven't broke the one fifty yet, but
I'm down to where I don't really have any desire
to kill one with a gun. Like, I'm all in
on bow hunting, okay, And actually to the next couple
of days, I'll be able to see if I got
drawn for a Kansas tag Again.
Speaker 1 (44:53):
Where do you normally go in Kansas? Are you a
Salina guy or are you the eastern part of the state, eastern.
Speaker 2 (44:58):
Part of state fall or ever? Uh, It's it's really
not that bad of a drive, but man, it's just
beautiful country out there. I'm a cattle guy. I have
cows here, so going out there and do you know
those towns that literally have just a little bit of
a convenience store and the town we actually hunt don't
even have a gas station. There's a gas pump, but
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there's not a gas thanks.
Speaker 1 (45:22):
Cool.
Speaker 2 (45:23):
It's just it's fun to go out there and get
away from everything for you know, a week or so
and just kind of kind of get back to reality
a little bit.
Speaker 1 (45:30):
There's places in the West that you feel like it's
a step back in time.
Speaker 2 (45:35):
Yeah. My bucket list thing is I want to go
on with I don't I'm not like a big moose hunter,
but I would want to go on one of those
moose hunts where they fly in and leave you.
Speaker 1 (45:45):
There for a week with who you want to go. Well,
I do have a connection for you. If you're if
you're interested in doing that, you just let me know.
Is it is a couple entry fees of Elite fees,
just so you know. But you're getting to save some
of that money right now, which is good. Brock Mosley
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continued success for the rest of the Elite series. We
appreciate you being online and times.
Speaker 2 (46:12):
Yeah, man, I appreciate you. Guys have
Rock Mosley has been a bass Master Elite for the
last ten seasons. He got to win just a couple
of years ago on the Sabine River. Happy to have
him on. There was some drama that popped up recently.
I'd heard through some grapevines, though, that it wasn't one
hundred percent of what people on social media said, because
I had heard from a really good source that Davy
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Height did not try to get you kicked off the elites.
I don't know where that rumor came from unless there's
more to us than that.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
I don't know where if it all got started. And
I'm quite frankly, I'm like, I just want to show
up and fish and do my job and that's it. Like,
I mean, there's so much drama around our sport right now,
and I don't want to be like, I want to
stay hysterious clear as far from as I can.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Did all that stuff kind of throw you off with
the Sabine No.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
No, I mean it was just tough, like what I
won two years ago. I never caught one over two
pounds in practice. It just wanted The deals were a
few more or less catch the good ones in the
tournament and it just all works out. I guess your
time to win. When I got on TikTok the night
before the tournament and seen somebody had started talking about
this kind of stuff like it had me worried, I'm like,
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oh crap, Like I'm gonna get in trouble for something
I had nothing to do with. People have asked me
questions like, man, I'm just here to fish. That's it right.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
It's like Marshawn Lynch when he sat down in front
of the press and he was like, I'm just here,
so I don't get fine kind of deal catching fish.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
And promoting sponsors, and that's what I'm here to do.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Bro, you killed me a couple of years ago when
you went on the Sabine. I thought it was awesome
that you won, but you obviously want a tournament where
guys are catching, you know, one and a half two
pound fish like we were just talking about. Is that
how you envisioned your first win as an elite to
be is to be in a tournament where you're fishing
for smaller fish.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Well, you know, I don't know if I ever envisioned
my first win or not especially several times, but one
of my most favorite classics looking back on is three Rivers,
you know in Pittsburgh, just because nobody knew who was
going to win, Any bite could change the outcome. And
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I've always those kind of tournaments has always kept my
attention more where I'm from, you know, that's kind of
what we're faced with every weekend as a tournament angler,
is you go fish for seven or eight bites a
day and they wait what they wagh. There's no like, hey,
I'm going to go fish to win. You go fish
for bytes and they weigh what they weigh, and if
you win, you win. And those kind of tournaments keep
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my attention longer because even as an angler, like I know,
one swing at the back can change the whole outcome
of the tournament.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Is it impressive that Pat was able to lead every
single day at a place like Sabine based off of
what you were just talking about.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Well, we've seen it in years past. He didn't necessarily
have that fourteen to fifteen pound day, but somebody has
that bigger day which he had to twelve pounds to
start the tournament, and then you just kind of guard it.
We seen Hackney do it. I didn't necessarily do it
until day two when I won. But once you get
a lead in that tournament, you don't you try not
to make mistakes.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Daniel and I were talking about this last week. We
were talking about Lake Fork and how I don't think
a century belt matters on Lake Fork because to me,
it's like, okay, everybody in the top ten had over
one hundred pounds. I think that's the place that if
you get over one hundred and twenty five, then you
start giving out accolades because of how big those fish are.
But I love that you go from a big bass
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fishery Lake lake Fork and then you're like, well, we're
going to go over to the Sabine. If we get
a three pounder, we're lucky.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Now. This go around at Sabine was by far of
the tough history. You couldn't have drawn up worse conditions
on paper. We had high waters and all three rivers
or all three systems, and then you had high winds
which was holding up the tide, and it just equals
terrible fishing conditions. I mean, it's even like that on
the Mississippi Gulf coast. You have those conditions. For some reason,
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those bigger fish do not want to buy and that's
what we were forced with last week. And uh, you know,
it was one of the deals where it was a
mental grinder. So hats off the pat for figuring out
and coming away with a victory, because I mean, all
in all, somebody's got to win.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Yeah, and he definitely did. I mean it was it
was a grind to watch. But just like you said,
I was very interested in watching how that tournament went
down because every fish that got caught, you started to wonder, Damn,
is this the one? Is this a fish that's going
to change the momentum, change the outcome of a day.
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We get to fish in Alabama where we've got Lake
Gunnersville a couple hours away, We've got the Cousa River
in our backyard. We see all different styles of fishing.
What style of fishing would you say best fits brock
Mosley for the way you like to fish.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Man, I would consider myself a junk fisherman. You know,
you guys say you're Coasta River guys. Well, I grew
up Bigbee. Oh yeah, those areas and you know, if
you've ever fished them, you know it's tough. Like I mean,
you may catch one on a buzz bait, you may
catch an one on a frog, you may catch one flipping,
I mean, square billing. There's so many different ways that
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you could put one in the boat. I mean, it's
just so I consider myself a jump fisherman, and that's
kind of what I based my career on.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
You were talking about you were talking about Sabine and
how the conditions on paper weren't great. I started to
think while you were talking about the rising waters that
it felt a lot like Lake Demopolis with the Tom
Bigbe and the Black Warrior coming together.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Yes, when I.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Fished a tournament down there a couple of weeks ago,
we were three feet below full pool. I give air
quotes because you just never know on that place. And
then the next day overnight we had some rain. It
went up four foot. So that's a seven foot swing.
Is that kind of what happens on the Sabine too?
You have drastic changes in water.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
But yeah, I mean, and they've had so much rain
in East Texas this year. I mean, you know, the
Trinity River was blown out. It comes from Conroe. I
believe the Sabine was blown out from Taleda Ben the
nat just uh, you know, it was blown out from Rayburn.
I mean they just all all the rainfall had just
taken a toll on it. And then you have twenty
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nine hour winds every day blowing from the south, blowing
against that water trying to escape, and it just holds
the water up, holds the tides up. And you know,
if you've ever fished a tidal body of water, that
those fish pretty much you know, their menu is based
on the tide. So they really just don't get real
you know, hungry or you know, they don't feed a
whole lot. I guess you would say when that water
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gets held up, when it gets when it throws the
little curveball to them.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
When you have a title fishery like you were dealing
with in Texas, but then you go over to the
East coast and you're in the mid Atlantic and you're
dealing with some of those tidle fisheries. How different are
they for performance?
Speaker 2 (06:58):
You know, you know, it's kind of you know, how
a south wind will hold up the Gulf, it's kind
of the same way if you have an east wind
on the Atlantic. I mean, it just keeps that water in.
You know, we've seen it a few weeks a month
or so ago at Paspa Tank. You know, that place
wasn't necessarily revolving around the tide. It was more of
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a wind tide than the actual tide itself. So every
day was it was like it threw you a curveball.
You know, it may be just a difference from a
southeast wind to a southwest wind. I mean it changed
to tide up and the way the water pail every day.
So you know, I always liked tidle fishery. It's it's
one of them things that it's it's it's it's a
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hard puzzle to put together. And that's what we all are,
you know. You know, we're kind of like old ladies
that like to put puzzles together. And the harder the better,
you know.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
I mean, you've you've dropped a couple of hints that
you were a former baseball player. I mean you've said
you've said curveball. Just a couple of minutes ago. What
position did you.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Outfield? I'm actually got the SEC tournament on right now.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Oh you should just come down here. We'll get your
tickets and you can go to any game you want.
It's ten minutes away, right.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
I'm an old miss guy, so they don't play till tonight.
They probably won't play till nine o'clock tonight. But college
baseball is just I've got a passion for heart and
a huge fan of it, you know, and SEC baseball
is just man, I just yeah, yeah, it's fun. It's
fun to watch.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
The SEC and anything. It's it's unreal to watch. Like
when people talk about football and they say I went
to Penn State. I played baseball at Penn State for
a year and we have a good football program in
the Big Ten. But even the Big Ten, it doesn't
hold a candle to what the SEC is able to do. Yeah,
it just means more So, how did baseball a team sport,
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factor in to you being a professional high level as
a solo individual.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Well, more or less, work ethic is what carry over.
You know. I grew up at a high school that
was just ungodly with talent. I mean it was one
of them deals where I hit, you know, over four
hundred my senior year with ten home runs and I
batted six in high school and just.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
All had some hammers, yes.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
And I mean we had over three guys that could
throw ninety off the mound. I mean we were just
it was a group I grew up playing with from
tee ball all the way through high school and we
were just we're good. And I was just one of
them guys where I felt like I had to work
extra hard to try to match their talent would just work,
if that makes sense. So I've always had good work
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ethic and I've just tried to carry it over to
my fishing. And if I do bad or have a
bad tournament, I don't want to look back back. Man,
I could have practiced more or done something different, you know,
worked harder, tried harder. I don't want to leave any
excuses on the water.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
So do you feel like you're one of those guys
that's kind of misunderstood because you are a grinder, somebody
who has to dig and dig and dig to prove themselves.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
A man. It's just I don't know if I if
I misunderstood or not. But you know, it's a respect thing.
I you know, respect, It's one thing you can't you
can't buy. You got to earn it. And I've always
trying to earned everybody's respect.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Yeah, I've always been a I've always been in my
ror of what you've been able to do because you're
sneakily good. I mean you you see some of your
stats and you just go, dang, this dude is like
finishing the top thirty pretty considerable in your In your career,
you've seen a lot of guys who they can finish
in the top ten, but then they're down in the
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low eighties and you just don't. It's almost like you
don't see that middle ground. Those guys who just day
in and day out catch five bring them to the scales,
continue to finish well in the AOI you're one of
those guys.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Well, you know, I guess I based my career off
a couple of heroes. You know. I've always looked up
Tod and Andy Morgan, and if you look at them guys,
they really don't have any wins to their credits, but
if you look at their top tens and their angler
the year finishes, you know, consistency is what usually pays
in the sport, you know, in the long run, and
I just try to be as consistent as possible. You know,
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Like I said earlier, I don't really fish to win,
so to speak. I've always fished for bites and just
doing my job, going in making cuts, and making checks
and getting points and going the next one. And that's
kind of how I've gone about my career.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Does AOI mean more to you?
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Absolutely? Absolutely. I mean, you know I came up short
of winning it a couple of years ago the year
Clark one, I lost by fifteen points, and you know,
it's just one of the things you strive for. And
you know, with poor face and so onar now it's
kind of made it a little harder because you know,
I'm still trying to trying to jump fish when I
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need to be looking at my screen. But it's always
the goal, man, I mean, every year you want to
start out and shoot for Angler.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
To hear, Daniel, you had a question about some of
the younger guys that are coming up since you brought
up forward facing sing our brock uh Daniel, go ahead, Yeah,
I mean you pretty already much asked the question.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
But Brock, what do you think about the younger guys
in the sport?
Speaker 1 (12:16):
Right now?
Speaker 2 (12:17):
We don't have meetings anymore like we used to, so
you know you don't with that, you don't have the
angler relations that we used to have pre COVID when
we was having meetings. You know, you were in a room,
you know, once once a week with these guys. So
and I've said this to try to get us to
go back to meetings, and I feel like we will
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one day. But you know, you kind of don't get
to know guys anymore. You don't have them that that
time where you sit down and just you know, get
to know these guys. And uh. You know, one thing
I will say, you know, to college level, uh in
the high school level, is it's definitely prepared these guys
better than you say, you know where I was coming up.
These guys are good. I mean I'm not you can't
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take anything away from him. You still got to catch
fitch at the end of the day. So I wish
we would go back to, like, you know, those meetings
and dinners where you can get to know these guys,
because I remember sitting in my rookie year, sitting in
the room and I was scared talk. I mean the
last event of the year, edwin Ewers finally yelled at
me across the water and said, hey, man, what's your name?
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Because I never talked. I was scared to talk. I
was intimidated.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
So you were talking about some of the guys that
you looked up to. That's probably why you didn't say much.
I mean, you're sitting in a room with absolute hammers.
You've got Gerald Swindle, guys that have been operating at
a high level in the sport for a long time.
You walk in as a rookie, you're gonna put the
ego down a little bit, and you're surrounded by all
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the greats. I mean, you got Rick Klun van Dam.
Was Van Dam still on or did he leave?
Speaker 2 (13:52):
And oh yeah, yep.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
So you're walking into absolute royalty as a rookie.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
My first, uh, my first second place finish was the
Van Dam yep. And that was the first time he
spoke to me. He told me, good job as I
walked off stage. Where was that rock? Saint Lawrence River?
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Nice? So a kid from Mississippi goes up to the
Saint Lawrence River and finish the second to Kevin Van Dam.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Yeah, I mean then you know, I'm in my early twenties,
and I was like, man, I haven't done a whole
lot of smallmouthfishing. So I actually went up and pre fishing.
I spent almost three weeks in upstate New York just
traveling around with all the bodies of water, learning how
to small mouthfish, and and you know, I ended up
finishing second there, and then two tournaments later, I finished
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second to Christy own Saint Clair. So my first two
seconds were actually on smallmouth bodies of water.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Nice. That's a pretty good intro into professional fishing. When
you would spend that time in upstate New York or
really anywhere you're not allowed to fish the body of
water that you're going to be in a tournament with.
But would you find yourself jumping into jackpots or Tuesday
nighters or whatever just to kind of see.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
No, no, uh, I didn't want to, you know, I
didn't want to do something to kind of put my
name out there, you know, damage my name. Will brought
Mosley's been out here all week and fishing the lake,
and he just decides he's gonna jump in our tournament
when we've been at work all week.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
That happens here all the time, Yeah, all the time.
I mean you could have. You can have a random
Tuesday night or and all of a sudden you see
an elite truck and bowm or somebody from the MLF
roll up and you're just like, damn, what the fuck
am I going to do this tournament.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Yeah, you know, sadly, our sport is like ego driven,
and I tried not to be one of them ego guys.
Like I try to be the humble guy. You know.
I just want to go out there and do my
job and you know, have a good time and try
to be you know, a good role model. Uh. Sadly,
that's you know, a bunch of kids look up to us,
dumb rednecks on tour we have to put on you know.
(15:59):
You know, I try to be a good role model
and show guys that, you know, it ain't all about Hey,
I'm here to beat you and that's it. You know,
it's all about you know, making a living and supporting
my family.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
Do you see things that happen on tour that makes
you really question the ego and question kind of where
the sport is going.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Well, yeah, but I don't think it's just our sport.
I mean, like I said, here, I got you know,
the SEC tournament on TV nowadays. You know, going back
to baseball talk, you see kids hit a home run,
they want to see how good of a bat flip
they can have to embarrass the picture. I mean, that's
that's just not what I grew up doing. And it's
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across all sports. You know, you just instead of just
taking the success and the victory and just going on
the next one, they want to taunt a little bit
and let you know they do it then. But one
thing about fishing is, you know, it's a humbling sport,
Like you can be humbled really quick. And we've seen
guys here recently. They'll compete for angler to year or
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win angler the year, and then the very next season
they're not even in the classic cut. I mean, this
sport can humble you real fast. I mean you can
be on a heater and then all of a sudden,
it just like you forgot how to catch a fish.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
So I think that a lot of that comes from
and you and I both being former baseball guys. As
soon as they started giving out these World Series rings
in all these travel tournaments with eight U, that's where
I feel like this problem. And then you have the
kids who have all the braided necklaces and they've got
the oven mit and it's giant in their back pocket.
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I look at all that and I go, y'all, don't
even realize how good one you got it? Because your
parents put a lot of this up for you by
traveling you to all these games, putting up the money
for it, because that stuff is not cheap. That was
the downfall to me when it came to sports.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Yeah, I like watching the guys on TikTok that do
nothing but kind of make fun of these travel ball parents,
And like, I was sit there and watch these guys
all day because they're really creative and it's pretty funny
and entertaining.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
It has gotten to the point where a lot of
sports though, that you're no longer a two sport athlete.
You know, when you and I were in high school
and we were kind of going for that world, you
would hear that a kid was really good at baseball,
but he was also really good at football, and he
might play basketball every once in a while, so you
would hear it. Now kids are so hyper focused into
one thing and that's it. You think that's going to
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burn them out a little bit, because we see it
with some kids in fishing.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
Absolutely, dude, I got burned out and I was a
two sport guy. You know, I played for a state
championship in high school for football, and you know, it
was just what you did. You played football in the fall,
and then springtime was baseball, and I still got burned out.
And you know, I don't see how these kids do it,
like I honestly don't know, even though if they're playing
for themselves or if they're playing for their parents. Nowadays,
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it's just just is what it, you know, is what it.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
Is in watching the rest of the season kind of unfold.
You've done well this year. I mean, it's probably not
to the standard that you want because you're brock Mosley
and you want to be awesome every time you go out.
How does the second half of the year look for you? Well,
you know, I mean, obviously you're dominant on small Mouth.
We already figured that out earlier.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
Poor place and so on on. But you know, I
always look forward going up north, you know, especially in
August down here in the South, you guys know, it's
it's uncomfortable. You can't go outside.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Even satan sweating. It's hot.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Yeah, And to go up north and it'd be comfortable
and you can get out and enjoy a couple of
days of fishing. You always enjoy it. But you know,
this year it's been it's been Okay, I can't say
it's been great. You know, I look back and I
have two fifty first place finishes, which and I looked,
I'm three ounces from making five out of six cuts,
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and that's all I try to do is make cuts.
But you know, look forward to going small amount fishing
on Saint Clair and then ending the year on lacrosse.
Lacrosse is always a good time if you can find them,
and then the wild card's gonna be tim killer here
in a few weeks. You know, I've been there one time,
and a lot of guys hadn't had any experience there,
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so the only time I've been there has been in
the fall. So we'll see what it's like in the
summertime and hopefully we can put together three good tournaments
to finish the season. Out.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
You mentioned making a cut. You obviously miss Sabine by
one spot. That's a hard pill to swallow. Now with
the fact that there's no entry fees in the payouts
or fifty five hundred for fiftieth place, does that change
your mentality for how you're fishing every week?
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Oh, I was more pissed off about missing the points
or missing out on getting more points on Day three
than I was missing the money.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
But I know that sounds bad, but well in retrospect,
it really doesn't because how much does it cost for
you to try ravel for one week?
Speaker 2 (21:01):
Well, the last two weeks on the road in Texas,
we each week had a free place to stay, so
pretty much only had fuel and food those two weeks,
which you know, isn't that bad, especially when they're that
close together and they're not that far from my house,
so it wasn't a whole lot of expense on the
road those two weeks. And you know, getting getting a
check the first week at fort you know, I really
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wouldn't like screaming and crying about missing the check. I
was more pissed off that man I could have got
me like fifteen to twenty more points. You know, it's
kind of a race to the end as far as
the end of the season making that Classic qualification, and
you want to have a point you can get.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
So that's where you're fighting for right now, is the Classic.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
Yeah, I mean that's what you know, the goal to
start every year. And you know I used to used
to want to go into that last event not having
to catch a fish to make the Classic, you know,
having that hundred point cushion, but it's gotten harder and
harder to do over the last two years, so every
point you can get with a little bit of cushing.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
Last, I do want to bring a couple of things
up that have happened this season, just to gain some perspective.
We had a dustin conn Allen on not too long ago,
and we were talking about Ford facing sonar, and I'm
like you, I think it's beaten like a dead horse.
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It's just gotten to the point where everybody has their opinion.
You're not going to change it. But the conversation that
we had was kind of interesting. We were talking about
the pressure that ford facing sonar may actually be doing
to some of these offshore fish. Do you think that'll
give a resurgence of shallow water, even mid shallow water.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Well, you know, we kind of said the exact same
thing when it came to structure scan and it never
really panned out to where fish went back to the bank.
But I do believe now we're catching fish that maybe
aren't necessarily meant to be caught to kind of protect
our fisheries, you know, especially up north, you know, like
Lake Champlain where it's catching fish over ninety foot of water.
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You know, they're just I don't think those fishes necessarily
meant to be caught, but I hope it don't have
a negative effect on our fishies in the long run.
But you know, it's just a tool. I mean, you
got to keep up with technology, and it's just where
we're at in today's game.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
Even keeping up with technology. Where do you see this
technology going?
Speaker 2 (23:31):
I'm not sure, man, there's so much, so much just
you know, people on one side of the fence, people
on another. It's like it's like you're talking about somebody's
baby if you say something bad about it, but if
you I mean, it's just it's our world. Our industry
is so torn right now. I've never seen it like this,
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and I wish it would could be resolved peacefully or
like you know, where everybody gets get along. And I
don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
It seems like a lot of conversations are going that
way though. I mean, you had MLF change their rules
last year. They're probably going to change their rules going
into the next year. In fact, I think that they'll
actually go all the way down through the BFLS and
they'll make some heavy changes with how Ford facing sonar
is used. I don't think the idea to get rid
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of Ford facing sonar is the best idea because every
guy that says they want that, I say, you have
the MPFL, you can go fish the MPFL. I think
it's great that the MPFL brought that to the table
because it gives guys an outlet to do that.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Yeah, and they were looking for a niche, right man.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
It can't be like everybody else.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
You know, that's their marketing tools. So you know, it's
one of them deals where no, I don't think it
should be completely done away with. I mean, it's just
but we're saying that at lake Ford that lake Ford
was pretty much won the exact same way it was
last year, months later in the year, and I think
you go to lake Fork twelve months out of a
year for a tournament, that's the way it could. It
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would be one. I mean, it's just one of them deals.
But you know there's a place mark in our sport
for sure. And you know, all in all, if you
like a crappie fish like a crappie does not stand
a chance.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
That's very true. I don't think I've seen as many
pictures on social media full pales as I have, and
not even pales. I shouldn't even say it coolers. I
mean we're talking about and I do think about ford
facing sonar with the impact on the fisheries when it
comes to species specific like crappie, because everyone knows those
panfish are getting pulled out to go get eaten, and
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in most cases there's some guys that probably waste a few.
But even with catch and release in bass, there isn't
a study that's out there that's saying the populations are hurting.
In fact, they would even argue we need to start
taking more out like those one and a half pounders
to try to give those bigger brief there's an opportunity
to have more food to breed more.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Yeah. Absolutely absolutely, And you know who knows, Like I said,
it's still believe even though it's been around five or
six years, it's still kind of fresh as far as
what we know about it and the impact. But you know,
you can't turn your back to technology. I mean every
sport has had to do it, whether it's golf or baseball.
It's just how can we adapt with it?
Speaker 1 (26:25):
Bro, do you think we're at the like the top
of what forward facing sonar is.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
Like the peak. I've been working with Garman for ten
years now, and all I know about Garment is by
the time their competitors catch up to one of their tools,
they've already got something better coming out or in the work.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
What was that video that everybody saw last year? It
was like the new LVS. I think they said it
was a thirty thirty six or thirty eight, and it
was like legit fish swimming around. It was close enough
to where it wasn't so ridiculous that that thing could
potentially come out. Do we all believe that there will
be a ford facing sonar where you will be able
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to identify that's a bass, not by movement, but just
by sure visual you'll be able to see a fish
swimming underneath.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
Oh that's I mean the guys that are great with
it that they're already to that point. But oh absolutely,
Like that's the thing about Garman. I've been to their
headquarters and it's it don't matter if it's in the
marine or the aviation. They got people in their office
and they're one job is coming up with shit.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
It's a good job to have.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
I mean, yeah, I mean they're just they're iQue people
that are just creating stuff. You know, that's their job.
And by the time you know, like I said, the
competitors catch up with Garman, they already got a better
version of it coming out.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
Here's what I think forward facing Sonar has legit killed.
And I'm sure sure people can argue this Frankensteining baits.
You don't hear as many guys show up to the
ramp and say, man, I took this one bait and
I kind of merged it with this other and I
went out there and I caught twenty fish. But Frankensteining baits.
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That's how. That's how a lot of dudes that are
on the elites one tournament's back in the day, Like,
you don't tell anybody about this?
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Yeah, absolutely absolutely. Now you don't hear about that because
you know, we're not as shallow dominant anymore as we
used to be. Uh that's what it's changed.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
But what was the Frankenstein bait that brock Mosley used
to make.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
I don't know. I can tell you about one in
the classic o conraeuh not Conra Ray Roberts a few
years back when we was there in the summertime. Yeah,
I got so sick and tired of fish slapping my
swim jig as a swim by the bushes that I've
actually put a trailer hook on my swim jig wonderful,
(29:00):
And I said, you know what, screw it, I'm tired
of them slapping my bait. I mean, I sat down
and I put a trailer hook on and I started
landing them.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
See I like that though. To me, that's where the
real sport of bass fishing comes out, is when you
have somebody who can just make that one subtle adjustment
and it changes the way. And it's not like something
you're gonna do on a regular basis because you're probably
worried about that trailer hook getting hung up in something else.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
But it worked, right, Yeah, it worked that day. I
mean I ended up having the biggest bag of the
tournament that day, or biggest bag that day in the
Classic on day three. But yeah, I mean I got
so fed up with them that I was like, you know, what,
what have I got to lose? I'm fistling trot and
I've never done it before, and I'm fitting to trot, all.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
Right, So how many times have you gone back? To
it since none you have like the greatest day on
the lake and then you're like, you know what, I'm
just gonna that's a one and done deal.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
Yeah. I actually was gonna do it day one and
Lake Fork last week or two weeks go, because they
kept kind of the same thing that that front come
through and it kind of messed them up a little bit.
But they were rolling on my swim jag and I
actually got down and looked and I didn't have any
trailer rooks in the.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
Funny what's the chance, what's the chance that we actually
see Brock do that at some point this year? It
would be like a nod to lines and times it's like,
I'm doing this just for you guys.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
Maybe, I mean, we're going to lacrosse and it's you know,
it's a shallow water deal.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
I love the fact that guys used to create baits
because it really shows just how revolutionary and evolutionary the
sport has become. I think a lot of people talk about,
you know, this sport's been around for a long time.
It hasn't now. You look at major League Baseball that
came out in the late eighteen hundreds and they're still
trying to change stuff that they're doing over there. You
(30:48):
look at fishing Man, the guys who are the legends
of the game and the ones who created this thing,
they're all still alive. I mean, there's a good amount
of them. Bill Dance, Rick Klon, the these guys who
everybody considers like the gods of fishing, they're still here.
We can't say that about Babe Ruth and all that
kind of stuff. Where do you think fishing ends up?
Speaker 2 (31:11):
You know, I hope it continues to grow, and I
believe it will. The way you know, high school and
college fishing has come about. It's just I think we
all need to come back together. It seems right now
we're so divided as an industry, and it's I mean
it's like last year, for instance, everybody acted like we
(31:33):
hated all the rookies. I mean, I mean, I got
a rookies traveling with us. This year, Bo Browning is
staying with us. Mean, we don't hate the rookies. But
they had that in their head and they kind of
thought that, and I mean they just it was never
one of them deals where they try to come out
and say, hey, you know what, they don't hate us.
But uh, it's just there's such a divide in our
(31:55):
sport and it's heartbreaking. I mean, you dude, I've been
in it fifteen years now and it's all I ever
wanted to do, and it's kind of taking a lot
of the enjoyment of the sport out just from the divide.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
There were some dumb ass moves that some people made though,
I mean as rookies.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
Yeah, I mean, I mean they didn't help some of
them didn't help their hands.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
That's my point.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
You know.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
Part of me is like people may not hate you,
that might be your perception that you know everybody's out
to get you, but you also can't do dumb shit
and think that you're just going to get away with it,
especially when you're in a sport where you guys are
asked to turn yourself in or if you bear witness
to something, you're held to a higher standard to do that. Yeah,
(32:41):
and then social media is just fueling the fire too.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
Yeah. I mean, sadly, a lot of people, a lot
of fans, they think they know they think they know
the anglers, and they i mean they're like, oh, well
he's a good guy. Well, I mean, he may be
a good guy when the camera's on that cut off,
he's just a butthole. Uh.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
But that's not even rookies. There's guys that are veterans
that people have that opinion about, right.
Speaker 2 (33:09):
I mean, I had to learn real quick some of
the guys I, you know, admired growing up. I learned
real quick, Hey, they're not the same person. What was
your welcome?
Speaker 1 (33:21):
What was your welcome to professional fishing? Then when the
minute you realized hole, all right, I'm in a different
level here.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
Ah well, I can tell you from an angler standpoint.
I was at my rookie year. We were at Lake Darnell,
and I started on the shafts boone and the shadows
spawning hard on this grass edge stick when it maybe
one hundred yards look just like the Coosa River, and
I'm like, I just shut down, and I picked up
my troublet and I picked up my rod, making two
(33:52):
or three casts, and all of a sudden, one of
these proves that I've admired for all these years comes
and starts fifty yards in front of me and starts
going the other way. And that's when I was like, huh.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
This is a little more cutthroat than I expected.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Yeah, yep, because I've always been, like anything, in anything,
I treat people the way I want to be treated.
And like I was like, whoa, maybe you can be
a little bit too bit of a nice guy in
the sport.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
I actually feel like some of that's missing in professional
fishing to get people interested week to week. Yeah, I
feel like there when we were watching fishing in the
mid two thousands to the early you know, twenty tens,
and you would see drama like that on the water,
guys yelling at each other and you know, threatened to
(34:44):
come back to the boat ramp and handle a like
man and all that kind of stuff. I do feel
like that actually helps a little bit at least get
eyes out on the product. But I hate that for
what it does to the two people who were involved.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
Yeah, and you know, I actually said that on Mercer's
podcast this year. I was like, maybe we need to
dig back down to Denny Brower days when hey, we
settled it at the boat ramp because I said it, well,
if nobody's gonna police it, if we police ourselves, maybe
all this nonsense will kind of cut out. But uh,
like you said, it gives you a bad name. I
(35:18):
mean everybody. People will start being well, Rock, well he's
the bad guy.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
You know, you're also a brick ship house, Like you're
a big dude. It's not like, you know, it's not
like you're saying to somebody who's really little, like we'll
just go settle this. Nobody wants to throw hands with
Brock Moseley.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
Well, I'm nowhere near the biggest guy on tour. I
mean I try to stay buddies with the biggest guy
on tour just for that reason.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
All right, I want to ask you about the history
of the of the sport a little bit, given what
you see right now with current anglers. Who is the
next Kevin Van Dam.
Speaker 2 (36:13):
Jay Skirt? Why Jay Jay's just good at everything. He
can catch them with four faces on r he can
catch them without it. He may not have the wins yet,
but the du is dude is so cool, calmon collective,
He never says a word. He's one of them that
you don't have to worry about him messing with you
(36:33):
or like there there's probably seventy percent of the guys
out there that just go about their business and don't
mess with other people, Like don't cutting. You ain't got
to worry about and cutting you off if you're on
a school that you know he ain't gonna pull up
and fish with you. He's one of them guys. He's
just very cool, calmon collective. He hand them himself good
on the water, and the duke can just flat out fish.
(36:54):
I mean, that's just what it boils down to. So
if I was to say somebody, I would say Jay,
and he's showing it to share. He's blowing away angler
a year right now.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
Who is the veteran that you looked up to when
you were younger, you made it on tour. They may
still be on tour that you still have the utmost
respect for.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
Well, I always look up to Swindle, you know. I
travel with Hank Cherry. I mean, he's fifteen years older
than me.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
He's gonna he's gonna hate hearing that. He's gonna feel
like he's you know, he's like, I'm not that old
man he is, and.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
He eats like a twelve year old. I was like, dude,
if I ate as much as you, I would weigh
three hundred and fifty pounds and he's like, well, you
would only gain thirty pounds.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
And I was like, damn I like how he throws barbs.
That's good, That's yeah. When you met Swindle for the
first time, how how nervous were you?
Speaker 2 (37:43):
You know a lot? And you know, like I said,
you know, when I came on tour, I was competing
against Kevin Edwin Ike. I mean guys that I've been
watching for years, and you know, it's intimidating, you know,
I mean ever since as long as I can remember,
I've been watching these guys fish to classics. I've been
(38:03):
watching them Win England years, Skeet He's another one. I mean,
they just it was intimidating. I mean, I don't know
if the generation that's coming up now can say the
same thing, because I mean a lot of us they've
been watching. You know, I've been on tour for ten
years now, but a lot of the guys, if you
go look, hadn't been on tour but five or six
years now, right, And I mean I can remember watching
(38:25):
all them guys when I was just you know, eight
nine years old, and here I was in my twenties
and starting to fish against them, So it was intimidating.
Speaker 1 (38:36):
I used to love when ESPN carried bass Master and
you would hear Zona and Tommy Sanders like literally break
stuff down. I saw a clip the other day and
they were talking about Kevin van Dam throwing a six
xd and one of them had some rattle in it
and the other one didn't. And Kevin would talk about
he'd bomb this six xd out there and he'd fire
up the school. He catch one or two, but then
(38:58):
the next three casts they wouldn't bite, so he'd let
it rest for about twenty five minutes. Then he'd go back,
he'd throw the silent and they just started whacking on it. Yeah,
and they were, you know, they had all the you know,
they were showing you stumps and these really ridiculous looking
fish sitting behind the stumps, like they broke it down.
Is that missing from professional fishing now?
Speaker 2 (39:19):
I think so. I mean, like that same term that
you're referring to. He also figured out that he would
riel it down and when he felt when eve would
feel that they make contact with the bottom, he would stop.
Really and it said, I remember his own doing an
interview with him, and he's saying, yeah, it took me
like three or four minutes to figure that out. If
I stop my bait when I made contact with the
(39:41):
bottom that I would get a bite. I mean that
kind of stuff. I think we are kind of missing
that in today's world. Now they're seeing how the fish
react to it on you know, on their stream. Yeah,
so we're missing a little bit of it, that's for sure.
And you know the Sabine River, that's kind of a
blast from the past every year. I mean some people
don't like it, like it, yeah, I mean people getting
(40:05):
excited over a three pounder. I mean, come on, I
don't want.
Speaker 1 (40:07):
To see nine tournaments like that. Like, I still believe
that the reason why people like professional fishing is they
want to see the biggest fish caught.
Speaker 2 (40:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
You know, MLF just went to my home lake in Virginia,
Smith Mountain Lake, and I am so proud every time
I watch that on TV because I'm like, man, I
know that body of water and it's beautiful, and they
got ten pounders in there, and you want to see
an absolute stud get caught. It's the same reason that
when we were growing up as kids in the middle
of nowhere, we'd go to that country store. You'd see
(40:37):
the one large mouth or the one striper that got
caught in the lake and it had that badge of
like state record, lake record, whatever it was, that thing.
Now you go back, it's just covered in dust and cobwebs,
but you still love it like it's it's the thing
that fuels you to want to go out and catch more.
Speaker 2 (40:53):
Yeah, and you know, I think the Pascal Tank that
was our first time going there, but I think it
was like a mixture of sabine and four because we
send Kyle, we catch one over ten and we had
I had so many locals talk to me at the
expo of that tournament. They're talking about, man, it's not
uncommon at all to catch thirteen pounders in the tournaments here.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
They talk to you after the tournament, right.
Speaker 2 (41:16):
At the tournament at the expo.
Speaker 1 (41:18):
Listen, I don't want to Scott Martin Matt Hearn's situation yet.
Speaker 2 (41:23):
If I don't make day fours, I have to stay
and work for Dakota Lithium at the expos right and
you know, people interactions what sells. But they're talking right man,
you guys like you guys hadn't scratched the surface on
this place yet. We catch thirteen pounders like it, like
there's one pretty regularly talked and I'm like, thirteen I've
never I've never personally caught a ten pounder. I caught
(41:45):
a nine to fifteen in an open one year ear.
Speaker 1 (41:47):
That's such bullshit. By the way, I see more nine
to fifteens get read on scales, and I'm like, that
is be at there's something about those scales where they
don't want to give you that one out.
Speaker 2 (41:57):
I agree with you.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
I mean every time I see it and I'm like,
there's no way there's that many nine to fifteens that
are floating around in this world.
Speaker 2 (42:05):
That's right. I mean they probably spit up a shed
in or live where to get one ounce.
Speaker 1 (42:11):
Uh. You were talking about Pasquo Tank and how it
was a new body of water for so many guys.
The big thing that I want to know from you
on that is, what did you say to yourself when
you found out Welcher was beating him up like he
was beating them up.
Speaker 2 (42:27):
Oh, it was no surprise, man, no surprise like it.
It was kind of we had kind of experienced the
same thing at fort last year. They were wanting to
move up, they were wanting to move up on the
bed and we had a cold front come through during
practice and and the fish he was catching off that
we're spawning, We're spawning a little deeper that the front
(42:48):
didn't really affect. So I wasn't surprise at all. And
and you know Welcher, he's he's one of the best
anglers there is right now. He's one of the hottest anglers.
And no surprise for him to figure it out.
Speaker 1 (43:00):
It's a YouTube channel that he's got. Were you were
you disappointed in yourself though where you were like, man,
I was maybe in that area, or you scan that
area and you just didn't find the same ones, or I.
Speaker 2 (43:12):
Was ticked off at myself for the decision I made
on day three. I spent the first two days in
the top ten, and on day three I was like,
I'm going for one time in my career, I'm going
to fish for big ones. And I caught one fish
that day the other places and you know, scrounging up
a thirteen fourteen pound limit staying and within the top fifteen.
(43:35):
I lost thirty points that day, and I was more
ticked off at myself on that ride home than any
time I ever have been.
Speaker 1 (43:41):
I tell you, there's nothing worse than going to a
tournament and even catching five and thinking, man, I did
something today, I'm going to move up in the points,
and then you get that text message and they go
you drop twenty places in the points, and you go,
what the like? You try to go back in your
brain about what could I have done better? How did
I not figure this out?
Speaker 2 (44:00):
Absolutely? I mean that is one positive about starting the
tournament outside to cut. Say, if you you know, I
started Sabine and Lake Fork, I think in like the
mid sixties, and both days like I gained even though
I didn't make the cut. At Sabine, I gained twenty
one points at second day of the tournament. I mean,
and that's a lot and same thing at Fork. You know,
(44:22):
every day I moved up and got more, got more points,
and at the end of the day, when you make
a career out of it, it's all about points. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (44:29):
Brock Mosley joining us on lines and times today we
even get into the fact that he's a die hard hunter.
I mean we normally do talk a hunting every once
in a while. The biggest Bucky ever killed.
Speaker 2 (44:38):
No, I still haven't broke the one fifty yet, but
I'm down to where I don't really have any desire
to kill one with a gun. Like, I'm all in
on bow hunting, okay, And actually to the next couple
of days, I'll be able to see if I got
drawn for a Kansas tag Again.
Speaker 1 (44:53):
Where do you normally go in Kansas? Are you a
Salina guy or are you the eastern part of the state, eastern.
Speaker 2 (44:58):
Part of state fall or ever? Uh, It's it's really
not that bad of a drive, but man, it's just
beautiful country out there. I'm a cattle guy. I have
cows here, so going out there and do you know
those towns that literally have just a little bit of
a convenience store and the town we actually hunt don't
even have a gas station. There's a gas pump, but
(45:20):
there's not a gas thanks.
Speaker 1 (45:22):
Cool.
Speaker 2 (45:23):
It's just it's fun to go out there and get
away from everything for you know, a week or so
and just kind of kind of get back to reality
a little bit.
Speaker 1 (45:30):
There's places in the West that you feel like it's
a step back in time.
Speaker 2 (45:35):
Yeah. My bucket list thing is I want to go
on with I don't I'm not like a big moose hunter,
but I would want to go on one of those
moose hunts where they fly in and leave you.
Speaker 1 (45:45):
There for a week with who you want to go. Well,
I do have a connection for you. If you're if
you're interested in doing that, you just let me know.
Is it is a couple entry fees of Elite fees,
just so you know. But you're getting to save some
of that money right now, which is good. Brock Mosley
(46:07):
continued success for the rest of the Elite series. We
appreciate you being online and times.
Speaker 2 (46:12):
Yeah, man, I appreciate you. Guys have
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