January 25, 2024 • 44 mins
#Phillies Insider Luke Arcaini and Mark Henry Jr. talk #Phillies off-season moves, Rhys Hoskins is officially gone, the #Eagles' new DC is a huge Phillies fan, and more!
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What is going on? Everybody?Welcome back to another episode of Luke and
I on the Phillies. I amLuke Arcaney. Usually on your screen to
my left is Sean Brace, thehost of the Daily Ticket three to six
Monday to Friday on Fox Sports AGambler. But you know, Sean's got
some priorities. You know, he'sat Father Gotta Chilt. He's got a
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lot of things to do, sosometimes we got to go to the bullpen
here. So we got Mark HenryJunior tapping in tonight for us for a
little bit, the host of thetopcover radio show every Saturday morning from eleven
to one on the Fox Sports AGambler Airwaves. How you doing, Mark,
I'm hanging in there man, andthe Sixers are getting us through.
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I mean, it's so funny.I don't know if you follow him on
Twitter, Mike Kyoto, he goeson tropbro Dude's show a lot. But
I was just listening to Trill's podcastwhere he's like, I dream of a
day where you know, August iscoming around. The Phillies are doing well,
but the Eagles were pissed off attheir back and we're like, thank
god, we have the Sixers.Man. Right now, I already kind
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of feel like that's because it's oneIt's one of the first times in a
while that I've ever been like,Sixers are kind of at the top of
their priority right now. Granted,in twenty days that probably won't be the
case, because I I will buymore into spring training baseball than I will
basketball. But that's that's that's reallyjust me. So I know, we
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got a lot to talk about,but the big one, obviously right now,
Reeese Hoskins two year, thirty fourmillion dollars deal with the Milwaukee Brewers.
It was it was something I listen, I don't I don't usually go
to bed early. I'm usually fallingasleep around like midnight ish. I I
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fell asleep, of course the nightthat re signed at around ten to fifteen,
ten thirty ish, and I wakeup at the next morning to everyone
freaking out about Reese being gone,and I'm like the one that I go
to sleep. So it was itwas definitely something weird to wake up to.
I think we all kind of knewit was coming, but it I
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don't really think anybody was really likeprepared for it. It was it was
definitely it hit me in the heartreally thinking about him in another uniform,
thinking about him in another city.Granted, if if there's a team that
I would say I'm okay with himgoing to, I would say it's probably
Milwaukee, Like I don't hate Milwaukee, Like Milwaukee's never done anything really bad
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to me. Like you know whatI mean. Like it's not like he's
going somewhere in the East or likethe Yankees or some team like that.
So what I mean, like,what was your kind of first thought there?
Because it was hit me in theheart a little bit. It's more
money than I thought you'd get.So I'm really happy for him. That's
like my leading thing. I loveRees Hoskins. He's one of my favorite,
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you know, Phillies of all time, not just this era. I
think he a lot of the timethroughout his time in Philadelphia was treated more
unfairly than many athletes. I can'tthink of many athletes that I think got
more unwarranted criticism than Reese Hoskins.And I always kind of gravitated. I'll
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never understand it. Never it's Imean, even you know, hey,
we love Fink, but I thinkthink makes my god, I think his
tweets stunk, sunk, It's terribleReez Hoskins. And here's the whole thing.
Like, I'm not saying, ohthey had they should have signed him
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to that deal and we should havekept them. Like I understand the situation,
but we can be sad that he'sleaving, and we can point that
we were missing his thump a littlebit last year at times, and we
were missing his ability to get onbase at times. So uh yeah,
I I you know, I hadfloated the idea earlier in the off season
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that I know you didn't like.I'm not I would probably I guess here's
how I should freeze it. Wouldyou rather have Reese Hoskins or Nick Castillano's
on the team exactly? That's kindof what it came down to, And
realistically it came down to kind ofthat, but it was really just where
does Bryce Harper want to play?And I love Reese, but Bryce Harper.
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Bryce Harper gets his first choice,right, And if the organization wants
Bryce Harper to play first for thenext you know, nine ten years for
us, and that's where Bryce Harperwants to play, then that's where Bryce
Harper is gonna play. There's reallyno if fans or butts about what Bryce
Harper wants to do because he's BryceHarper. He's the face of your franchise,
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he's the best player on your baseballteam, and he's a top five
player in baseball. So it wasit was definitely an unfortunate situation that one,
just the way it happened, justhim his last season. One.
It was awesome that his last seasonwith the team on the field was probably
the most exciting one we've had sinceeight other than nine really, but I
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would probably take the twenty twenty twoloss, just that hype over the over
that loss and O nine. ButI mean, it's it really came down
to that. It was just sucha horrible way for for him to really
go out, obviously with the ACLinjury back in spring training, and it
was so unfortunate because I will Idon't, I honestly don't think I'll ever
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forget it now. I was sittingon my couch watching that spring training game
and I saw him go down,and the second he went down, I
just knew exactly what happened. Itwas it just felt like like the second
it happened, you knew, andyou knew that this season just was going
to start on a spiral. Harperwas obviously out at the time, so
you were going into opening Day withno Bryce Harper, no Reese Hoskins.
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It was a it was a sadday. But what what Reese did here?
I don't think for the ones thatreally like loved Reese and really appreciated
Reese, we know what he did. I think you pointed out in the
seasons that weren't either his rookie yearor the COVID year. It thirty four
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home runs, twenty nine home runs, twenty seven home runs and thirty home
runs in the twenty seven was twentyseven was in one hundred and seven games.
Yeah, he had twenty seven homeruns and one hundred and seven games
with one hundred and twenty nine opsplus. His ops plus never dipped under
one ten and that was really onlyone year. Other than that, it
was basically over one twenty five everyyear. I know we Honestly, I've
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been trying to think about for awhile why the hate it is there for
him, and I my only realreason maybe has been the defense. I
feel like the he kind of turnedinto the scapegoat in the twenty twenty two
playoff run that whenever we lost agame ever, it kind of felt like
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the blame was always going on ares defensive play. Granted, there were
some plays that cost us some inningsin the playoff run. That's that's not
that's not wrong, But I don'tone one play at first base doesn't win
or lose you a game. Thatthat was always kind of my thing,
like rees Reese was never really likethe true reason why we're losing a baseball
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game. And and and that's almostkind of what it felt like at the
end of the twenty twenty two season. I think that the I've said it
about Nola as well. I thinkthe reason that I don't get it,
Yeah, I think it's because theywere part of like the Capitler collapse teams,
and they were part of that,like last era before we've been successful.
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So wouldn't you think it would bethe opposite, wouldn't I they have
the losing stink on them. Thatwouldn't you think that the guys that have
like been through the wringer with thisteam would be like the ones that we
feel the most like, I'm gonnabe so honest with you when we won
that pennant in twenty twenty two.Reese Austins was the person I was I
was the most happy for, likeNola and obviously Bryce JT. Like those
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are your long guys, Ree,Bryce JT, Nola, But Reese and
Nola like they they they went throughthe wringer man. I mean, rees
Haustin's got thrown in left field fora season, like we was most happy.
I was like, no, no, no go. What were I
was saying? I skip it.I was about to say I was most
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happy for Andrew Bilotti of course asthe number one, Andrew Blott, Davin
Connor, Brogden, those are ourguys. The Andrew Bolotti return in twenty
twenty four is going to be They'regonna about it. It's gonna be crazy.
It's it's unfortunate, but I meanit's I think we know what what
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what Reese did here and and honestlyI keep saying it, I think he
finds his way back here eventually.I think maybe a few years down the
line he signs that two year deal. Maybe if the Phillies don't think about
bringing back Kyle Schwarber, which Ithink they be a fool to not bring
back Kyle Schwarber. All he doesis hit home runs. So I don't
know why you wouldn't want a guylike that, especially who's a really big
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clubhouse guy for you. I don'treally know why you wouldn't want Shubber back.
But down the line, if thatwas the case Hoskins and Schwarber,
if if Hoskins does take his optionafter this season, those guys will hit
free agency in the same offseason,So maybe there's a maybe there's a reunion
there for Reese. I'm all forit, uh, but I it feels
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right, It feels like that that'snot the last game that he's gonna be
here in a Phillies uniform. Yeah, I could definitely see that. You
know, I would have loved tomaybe explore you try to trade Castianus if
you can get anything for him,Maybe you deal with Schwarber in left field,
you install Reese as a DH.But that's a lot of moving parts
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in Shoreber's terrible in the field obviously. So yeah, I was very much
talking my self back into throwing Swerverback and left field again because that that
was I felt like. As themore time went on, I felt like
the better chance Reese was staying.He seemed like a pretty like I mean,
he's a good bat. He's he'sprobably gonna go to Milwaukee and hit
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thirty home runs. He's gonna behe's gonna be hitting inside right, It's
it's he he's in a great stadium. I think he's a career like three
sixty hitter there with like six homeruns. So he's he's always hit well
in Milwaukee. But I don't know, I was, I was. I
think I tweeted it out the onethat I was like, what if they're
just gonna bring backeries? Obviously theydidn't, but don't. So it does
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feel like Milwaukee's in for like alittle bit of a down year though,
Like they lost their manager, theylost hater Wood, Drift is out,
like it feels like a little bitof the market, Like, yeah,
it's a little bit of a weird. It's just like I didn't expect them
to be the team they've They've justbeen like, I don't know, I've
never really got like what their goalis. I feel like they've always they're
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always just kind of like a middleof the pack team that wins a really
bad division in the NL Central andthen just like doesn't do anything with it.
They'll lose the first round. TheyThat's the thing is I guess they've
they've gotten so comfortable with winning theNL Central now because nobody else really wins
that division right now, even thoughprobably the Cubs this upcoming season if they
continue to go or a lot ofpeople are high on the Reds because of
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last year. But the Brewers willprobably just like sneak their way to like
an eighty six wing season and probablywin that division again and then and then
lose in the first round. Somaybe Reesel help that. I hope,
I would assume, But well,it'll be interesting to see if he's a
first basement or a DH there.Yeah, I don't know. I mean
I think ideally they would like toprobably have him in the DH spot.
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I think if you could keep Hoskinsout of the field, I think that's
probably your your ideal situation. Butif anyone's watching, they want to drop
some comments here, tune in.We'll be hanging out by another half hoursh
I want to get your thoughts onthe reliever situation now, because that that
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kind of seems where the Phillies areheaded, right. There's that they've They've
been rumored for a lot of guys. They were rumored in on Robert Stevenson.
He obviously did sign, so hewill not be coming to Philly.
But there are some big names outthere still. The big three for me
right now, old friend Hector Nursewas I was always a huge Hector guy.
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I thought he was kind of inthe Hoskins boat for me. I
feel like he got a lot ofhate when he kind of went through the
ringer too, and the Phillies managersjust never realized that he wasn't a ninth
inning pitcher. If you put himin the seventh or eighth inning, he's
a great pitcher, just don't throwhim in the ninth inning. Ryan Stannik,
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a big name, had a crazytwenty twenty two with Houston one point
one five e r A and fiftyfour innings. Uh, he was incredible.
Had a down year last year witha four oh nine. But I
mean, I still think if youcan take a guy that has a career
e RA of under three point fivethat throws really hard, I think you're
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gonna want to take him and thenuh. Nick Maton's brother Phil Mayton was
a pretty consistent reliever the last twoyears for Houston. UH had a really
good year last year with a threee r A flat. So, I
don't know, is there any namethat's kind of standing out to you out
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of those three. I know wethrew a poll out today. Last time
I checked, it was pretty itwas pretty even. Uh, it was
pretty even going around. I thinkHector was actually leading the way a little
bit. So Ryan Stanek did takethe win as of now, but it
was pretty even. I don't know, I do you agree with that?
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Would would would he be your topguy maybe out of those three or if
there's even anyone else that that thatyou were really thinking there? For me,
it would by far be Hector.I think Hector's really the only guy
that's left on the market that's exciting. Other guys I think would be depth
pieces like I think Hector can beone of your top three guys in the
pen in high leverage spots. Imean, he's been unbelievable in Houston.
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I mean the last two years,he's probably been a top five reliever in
baseball combined, if you maybe topten a little broadened out a little bit,
but the one seven to one eraand seventy one appearances this year,
Like, that's pretty incredible stuff.And his k per nine wasn't quite as
good this year, but it wasstill really good. Seventy seven strikeouts,
sixty eight innings. But you're alwaysgonna look at those twenty nineteen and twenty
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twenty one years eighty nine k's andsixty seven innings, ninety eight k's and
seventy four innings with relievers, youknow, I'm looking for strikeout when I'm
you know, kind of looking atguys. I think that's the only thing
that's repeatable is with stuff. Imean, that's stuff that year to year
we see it. With relievers,it's hard to invest in them because they're
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so volatile. I mean. Theeasiest way to do that to kind of
realize that, look at Fantasy Baseballevery year. Look at the preseason closer
rankings. It's massively different every singleyear because you see guys fall off the
face of the earth. The reasonthat is is there's such a small sample
size of innings and appearances where yousee a closer have five bad outings out
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of six or seven and you think, oh, you can't trust him anymore.
He's done. Is the closer.But realistically that's really only five innings.
So for a starter, that wouldbe one bad start and you wouldn't
be like, oh, we can'tuse them again. So with closers,
there's just it's a really harsh,you know, grading system for them because
they only throw seventy innings if theythrow a lot of innings in a year.
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But I think Hector's been pretty remarkablyconsistent over a really long stretch of
time here. I think he's gonnaget a lot of money. Personally,
I think he's gonna get paid.Robert Stevenson was a guy I really liked.
He got paid to go to theLa Angels. We've seen a couple
guys get big market or big moneyon the market. In terms of relievers,
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I think there's a chance that thebest way for the Fills to get
a reliever it might be kind ofthe same path they took with Gregorysoto last
year, where they go out andthey find, you know, maybe a
reliever that's fallen out of favor asa closer on a bad team, and
then you pick him up for aprospect or too with the house for a
manual. That's a I mean thatto me, that might go back to
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the level of like I don't knowif I want to invest in closer,
because if that's gonna take a highlevel prospect, you have to find kind
of that like send that that's gonnatake a that's gonna take a package starting
with mc gable. Yeah, yeah, you have to find you have to
find that sodo trade where like whatwe give a veerling in Mayton, Like
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if you can give up like theequivalent to that for a nice piece in
the bullpen, I think that's fine. Like, I think that's totally a
fine thing. But I'm also,like I said earlier, like I'm hopeful
in some of these guys in thebullpen, like Oryan Kirkering, I'm expecting
him to step into a role,Like I think that's should be expected at
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this point, Like with some ofthe electric stuff we saw down the stretch.
Obviously was it perfect, No,But I think that there's a lot
to be excited about with what's alreadyon the team. Like I think if
we lined it up today, Philliesprobably have a top ten bullpen, not
even without a doubt, with maybeprobably probably closer to the front end of
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five than ten. Yeah, nodoubt. I mean, if you have
Jose Alvarado, Sir Anthony Dominguez andwhat you think O. Ryan Kirkering is
gonna be and Hoffman yet like that, that's a really good bullpen. I
think what you're getting back with Hectortwo is kind of just like a Jose
Alvarado part two. Obviously, Idon't think as good as as Alvarado and
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probably not as dominant, but Hectoris going to be able to pitch in
the role that we wanted to getJose Alvarado out of. I think what
we kind of wanted from Alvarado,and we were starting to realize towards the
end of the season, was thatwe felt like we were burning Alvarado so
much in the sixth or seventh becausewe had to. And then we get
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to the ninth inning and all wehave left is a guy like Kimberl who
was so hit or miss at thatpoint, and and and when he was
on he was he was great,and but what he was and he was
absolutely atrocious. So I think beingable to hopefully right because I mean,
your ideal situation is for Jose Alvaradoto throw as many ninth innings as possible,
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like that, you want Jose Alvaradoin with the game on the line
to end the game because he's yourbest reliever, he's your best left He
throws hard and he strikes people outright. He makes people with and that's
that's what you need from a closer. If you're a closer, your goal
is to not let the ball getin play. You want to strike everybody
out. If you're a guy likeJeff Hoffman or a guy like Andrew Bilotti,
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Brogden, those kind of guys,then you're okay with with ground balls,
pop ups, line out stuff likethat. Battis mister strike out.
Bloody is mister strike it is?Kper nine is just through the roof.
See that's why. That's why I'ma guy. But I think if you're
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if you're talking about a guy likeNarraw, I lost mark here. Sorry
we got one second mark back.I'm bad. I don't either. I
don't either. Little technical difficulties there. Oh good. If you're listening on
Apple Podcasts Spotify, you're probably like, why did these dudes just stop talking
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for the last fifteen seconds. ButI think, if once again, if
you're getting that guy like Narris,I think it's just another dominant, hard
throwing guy that you can get inyour bullpen. And I think that's kind
of what the Phillies have been goingfor the last few offseasons. Like you
said with Soto from the Tigers,right that, they've been acquiring these hard
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throwing guys. You have Alvarado,Soto, Dominguez, Hoffman, all those
guys throw really hard. And evenwith Kirkering, if Kirkering pans out to
eighty percent of what we think hecould be, that's a huge win for
this team. I mean, whatwe saw last year those last few weeks
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of the regular season and early onin the playoffs was was special stuff.
I mean, he was making someof the best hitters in baseball look stupid.
So I mean, if he canreally come back from those playoffs struggle
and and it really was only likean inning or two, he really didn't
pitch horrible in the playoffs. Hehad had a few bad outings, which
granted, I didn't expect a guywho got caught up a month and a
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half before the playoffs started to heI mean, he he got thrown into
a role that what I just don'tthink he was ready for. H that's
a big task to ask of him. I think we'll be ready this year.
He seems like a guy that's gonnabe able to thrive in the moment.
But I think I'm with you.I think I do one really want
Hector back, and two I thinkhe is going to come back. I
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I think the Phillies are gonna haveinterest there. I think Hector Hector would
probably have interest in coming back.I think the number is going to be
hefty. I know the Yankees werementioned as a team that were also involved.
I know that there was there wasa report that came out last week
that he was he was looking forclose to like forty five million total over
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over like three years, which isa lot. But if you're paying him
for what he's done the last threeyears, then he's earned it. That's
that's basically the bottom line. Andwe're getting to a point now where the
reliever market and just the market ingeneral for pitchers is so high. It's
the these contracts that these pictures arebeing thrown is just absolutely absurd. Hat
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and you got like one hundred likewhat did Kimberl make like fourteen million or
something like? Yeah, And Iget it. He was. He was
an All Star the first half ofthe year, and he has a career
like two three al right, butif you watched any bit of the playoffs,
that is not a fourteen million dollarpitcher, Like where'd he go again
the Baltimore? Right, yeah,I think you're right, Baltimore. Yeah.
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Yeah, So he signed a oneyear, thirteen million dollar contract with
the Baltimore earlier Orioles for twenty twentyfour, which is I'm happy we didn't
pay that price. I'll tell youthat you simply could. I mean,
yeah, it would be like apr nightmare to have brought him back after
how that season ended, which he'sprobably like the leading culprit to how it
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ended. But honestly, like ifyou just went like top six in every
bullpen, I'd put Alvarado, Hoffman, Sodo, Strom, Kirkering, And
then like the big X factor wehaven't really even talked about, is like
what is sir Anthony like that?That is like when he's on, he's
so good and his case stuff lookslike it should be great. The stats
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of his Caper nine stuff's like neverbeen as good as I think, like
the eye test would tell you itshould be. And you know, it
feels like we haven't seen whatever thebest version of Sir Anthony Dominguez is going
to be in the majors. Idon't know if we'll get to see it
in Philly, like you know,it could happen a few years down the
line, like you see with Hector, but hopefully, you know, he
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breaks out this year and kind ofgoes back to being the summon Sir Anthony,
like lockdown guy who he was attimes like he I mean in twenty
twenty two in the postseason, hestepped up in huge spots and like I
mean, his hit all of hisoutings against the Braves, like like and
and and he had great ones againstSaint Louis, great ones against San Diego,
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great ones against Houston. But hisseries against the Braves was unbelievable.
Every single time he got out there, I was just thinking strikeout, strikeout,
strikeout, like every single time.I mean, he he He had
a zero e r versus Saint Louis. He had a zero ERA versus Atlanta.
He had a two two five againstSan Diego. He had a three
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against Houston. He had a zeroe R A in this past NLDS,
and he had a zero e rA in this past NLCS, So I
mean he has a one point oneto three e r A in uh sixteen
career postseason innings. So it seemslike what's happened with Sir Anthony the past
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few years is we get to likeSeptember and he's kind of starting to go
downhill a little bit, and thenthe second you get in the playoffs,
the second you get in the playoffs, it's just like night and day.
It feels like easy. He's beenunbelievable. Which granted, if if you
want to pitch your best baseball inthe playoffs, that's completely okay with me.
Right, I'm not gonna argue therewith that, but I know we're
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kind of gonna segue into this probablya little Eagles thing. Looks like you
one more pointer? Yeah, yeah, real quick. I just wanted to
say, because my point to bringup the top six bullpen guys, like
i'd put that top six probably likeit's probably like I said, I think
you were right. I think it'sprobably closer to five than ten if you
want to talk about bullpen. Andthen if we're talking you roster eight bullpen
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guys, roughly like we're talking theseventh and eighth guys in the pen when
we're talking about like what we needto improve on. Really, when it
comes down to it, like youwould have to push out like I think
Ballotti, Covey, Brogden, LikeI think two of those three guys could
stick as back end of the bullpenguys. Like you had a tweet earlier,
it is Brogden still on the roster, right, Yeah, so all
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three of them are on the roster. You're gonna see Covey. He doesn't
have any options, so he hedoes, he does have to be up.
Granted, I thought Covey pitched greatafter that game, that one game
in Atlanta that they they signed him. They made him start in Atlanta on
Sunday Night Baseball. They made himstart and he got absolutely lit up.
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And I think after that game,I think he had like a three point
four e RA. The last threemonths of the season, he was like
he was like under a two five. So granted, was he getting thrown
in a high leverage situations. No, But I think what it's it's just
a cycle that I think we've startedto. It's it happens with the sixers,
right, everybody on the sixers toour fans, has to be the
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best basketball player ever, and likeDylan Covey does not have to be like
prime Mariano Rivera. He needs togo out there, he needs to eat
innings for you when you don't wantto throw Josey Alvarado into a game that
you're up by nine, right likethat, Dylan, Dylan Covey's goal is
to not isn't to have like aone to five e r A like granted,
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that would be awesome, but heknows that's and and we know that
that's probably not gonna happen. Sothat we've I think we kind of need
to start realizing that because it hasbeen a thing. It was always like
cut Covee, he stanks whatever Ilike, he like he's doing it.
He's not supposed to be up againstJuan Soto and the ninth inning in a
tie game like that. That's notwhat he does. Like, So you're
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saying Dylan over Britain in the CoveyBattle of Philadelphia. I don't know.
I don't know. I am aBritain Covey guy. He very good year,
I'll tell you that. Other thanthat, uh, botched, botched
punt that almost. I mean,granted we would have lost that game anyway,
no what happened, but that,well, there we go. That's
a that's a perfect segue there intouh a little Eagles talk. So if
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you are strictly a Phillies fan,this won't be long, but we do
have to talk about it. Uh. The Eagles hired Vic Fangio uh to
be their new defensive coordinator. Fangioobviously long career in the NFL. He
was the Broncos defensive coordinator for awhile. He was with Miami uh this
past season. That just is wellis still going on, and he was
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a what he he got brought into help with like the offense and the
defense for the playoffs last year orsomething like that. Right, Yeah,
yeah, he got brought in thedefense as a consultant in the play Yeah.
So he Vic Fangio, Uh,he's he's had a pretty long history
with with Howie and Lurry. Itseems like. Uh so he went to
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East Stroudsburg and Pa. Uh.He was born in Pennsylvania. Uh,
lived in Pennsylvania for a good portionof his life. Seems like he grew
up an Eagles fan. But whatwe're really here to talk about. Is
Vic Fangio is a massive Phillies fan, like die hard Phillies fan, loves
the Phillies, lives and dies bythe Phillies. So there was an article
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written by John Greenberg last October.I believe that's from The Athletic and the
title was with a year off,vic Fangio has plenty of time to cheer
on his beloved Phillies. H fiveyears ago, I learned two things about
Vic Fangio. He never drinks coffee, and he always knows the Phillies score.
I still don't go to sleep atnight until I know whether the Phillies
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won or lost, he told meback in twenty seventeen, even if they're
on the West Coast. So I'mI'm all in, right, I'm completely
all in on Vic Fangio. Ifeel like I have no choice to be.
But if you're a Phillies guy,and if he walks out into like
a press conference with a Phillies onhis time, I am I'm all in.
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All yeah. I need I needVic Fangio at Phil's tailgates like I
need him throwing out the first pitch. I need him wearing like a fanatic
hat on the sideline, like oneof those like like the big fuzzy hats
with like the you know it dropsdown. I need the full like the
full pander mode from from Vic Fangio. I'm all in on it. Bring
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in all the Italians. You know, it's so funny that they're just going
all in on Italians. Yeah.So, I know, we really had
one more thing we wanted to talkabout, and it was the Baseball Hall
of Fame results. I know,we both kind of have a take.
Let me just say the results andthen we'll talk about why the Baseball Hall
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of Fame's kind of stupid. SoAdrian Beltrey finished with ninety five point one
percent obvious first ballot Hall of Famer, one of the best third basements ever.
Todd Helton got seventy nine point sevenpercent, so he was four point
seven percent over, which was agood vote for Helton. Deserves to be
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in the Hall of Fame. Andthen you have Joe Mauer, who got
in by in his first year onthe ballot by one point one percent.
He logs seventy six point one percent. Uh So those were your three players
that got inducted this year. Thebig one is a is a miss by
five votes for Billy Wagner, whopitched for the Phillies, uh for two
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years. Uh he was I thinkhe was with Atlanta right New York.
Uh he he meant by I thinkit was like five votes, So that
that was kind of one that hewas floating around that like seventy eight seventy
nine percent that whole day of theresults, and then once those that kind
of back half of the results camein that people don't throw them out on
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uh like Twitter and stuff like that, all those those like hidden results.
That's kind of where Wagner tanked there, which he has, he has one
more year. I would have toassume he probably gets in next year.
But Chase Utley got twenty eight pointeight percent. I thought it was a
really good first first year for Ithink it's really encouraging seeing Atly get nearly
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thirty percent, and I think it'sonly a matter of time before he gets
in. I I do believe thatOttley will get in the Hall of Fame.
I think it'll probably take around likefour more years, but I do
think Utley does get in eventually.Then you had a bray you him and
Rollins both logged fourteen point eight percent. Rollins, I don't. This is
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holy and I want to get yourthoughts, but I don't. I think
Chase has a lot better shot.Even before we saw these results, I
think Chase's resume and really just theposition he played has has a lot better
chance of getting in over Rollins.Yeah, it's it's mainly because there's been
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a lot less really productive second basementoffensively in for a stretch he probably had
like one of the better stretches insecond base history in his prime there.
So I you know, Jay rollis my favorite athlete of all time,
so I'm a little bit biased whenit comes to that conversation. I think
when it comes to like his importanceon the team, I think you could
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argue like he was just as importantas Chase Sutley in some ways. But
I think I always agreed with youthat Chase Utley had a better chance to
get in, and that was baredout in the results here obviously, And
I agree with you that this isa pretty good sign he probably will get
in by the end of his Ithink it's five years or ten years,
yes, I mean he's got ninemore years left. Yeah, I would
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assume it probably takes about four orfive for him to get in. Yeah,
that's probably fair, go up aboutlike six seven percent every year ish
usually for those type of middle ofthe pack guys that will get in eventually
but don't get in early. Ithink he gets in, and I think
he deserves it, right, Likeif if anybody realistically like Jimmy Rollins was
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awesome, like he was a greatshortstop, he was unbelievable, he was
such a great baseball player. Butif anybody thinks Phillies two thousands, I
think, chase up right like thatthat to me, if if if you
pointed at me and said name oftwo thousand and eight Philly, my first
answer is chase up. And Grantedfor a guy like Ryan Howard who really
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will never have a chance to getin because of the position he plays,
I think if you look at maybethe home run stats, I think I
think Howard would would have a chance, and maybe the accolades, but it's
it's nearly impossible to get in asa first base and unless you're of the
most elite of the elite. Yeah, it's because he had such a short
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prime too. With Howard that he'sjust not gonna have a chance to get
in. I mean, you canmake the argument he was definitely like the
best player. Probably he was thebest hitter. He's one of the best
hit the Phillies. I mean,yeah, I mean that. I mean
that couple of year run he hadas a story, I mean was five
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to nine. I mean, whatwas the year. I mean, he
the one year he mashed. Hewas unbelievable. His MVP year two thousand
and six, he played one hundredand fifty nine games as a first baseman.
He had one hundred and four runs, scored, one hundred and eighty
two hits, twenty five doubles,fifty eight home runs, one hundred and
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forty nine RBIs, he had aHe had a one sixty seven ops plus
with a one point eight four ops. Then in two thousand and seven he
finished fifth in MVP. He hadforty seven home runs, one hundred and
thirty six RBIs and a one fortyfive ops plus. Then in two thousand
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and eight he finished second in MVP. He had forty eight home runs,
one hundred and forty six RBIs andan UH one twenty five ops plus.
And then nine he finished third inin the MVP UH with forty five home
runs, one hundred and forty oneRBIs, and a one forty one ops
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plus. So he hit one hundredand forty one hundred and he hit one
hundred and ninety eight home runs fromtwo thousand and six to two thousand and
nine. Granted, if he didthat over a twelve year career and did
that all twelve years, he's oneof the best baseball players of all time.
But unfortunately for Howard, it wasreally just those standout five years and
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when you look at everything else,when you look at his Baseball Reference page,
if you take those four years out, it's really good, but it's
not. It's it's basically him goinginto the Hall of really good, right.
So that's that's kind of where itand that's where I feel like we
can kind of talk about how weboth kind of hate the Hall of Fame
and how it's kind of a joke. In the first Ryan Howard's also the
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reason that War is kind of ajoke. Fourteen point seven career wars.
If you think, if you ifyou look at War and you and you
tell me Ryan Howard's thirteen year career, he he gave you a one war
every season, then it's the samething as it's ridiculous. But I mean,
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and and then, like we talkedabout before we got on here,
Right, if you have a Hallof Fame and the biggest, one of
the biggest controversies in in sports isshould Barry Bonds be in the Hall of
Fame? I get it, hetook, he took, he took steroids.
Whatever if the if the best purehitter in the history of the sport
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is not in your Hall of Fame. But it's tough to really say,
how how real you're you're uh?That is right? Like I if you
don't put arguably a top five playerin sports history based off of skill in
that sports hall of Fame, whetherhe did steroids or not, because granted
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he was mashing before he even tookthe steroids, it's it's tough for me
to really sit back and be soamped up about it. Yeah. And
it's also like nobody does more gatekeepingthan the Baseball Hall of Fame because they
like pick and choose when they careabout steroids too, Like David Artiz was
mentioned in the Mitchell Report, butthat doesn't that doesn't stick in the same
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way. Like there's plenty of guyswho have been mentioned in steroid things like
Sean Brace hates when I say this. Ken Griffy's entire body broke down,
like after going through an insane runwhere he was hitting a ton of or
hitting a ton of home runs andlooked like he was way bigger all of
a sudden, Like I think it'sprobably likely he probably died. And that's
not me accusing anything, Like Ithink everyone was probably doing it like I
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would have done it if I wasa top player in baseball, to keep
up, Like I think it's justthe natural as it. It feels like
I mean, and I wasn't reallylike alive or like really knowing like when
it was happening, But it's somethingthat it almost felt like guys had to
do it to keep up like that, like that that's kind of what it
was, because you know, theseall these top guys in your support are
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doing this and they're not getting caught, and they're the faces of the league,
right and and like if if ifreally from a business standpoint, right,
if if you want to keep upand you want to make that money
on your contract, like you needto put up, not saying you have
to go take steroids, but youhave to put up stats just like theirs,
and it's pretty hard to match BarryBond's stats without taking steroids. Like
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it's it's a tough situation because likeI get it, I get it,
I get I get both sides.If you cheat, you shouldn't be recognized
for it. I get that.But it's at the same time, if
I if I go to Cooperstown tomorrowand I'm looking at all the plaques and
I never watched baseball before, Iwouldn't know who the best baseball player of
all time is or one of becausehe isn't in there. Like it's just
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it's something doesn't feel right to me, And I know you kinda are on
the same page. Yeah, BarryBonds is maybe like the most insane.
You know, you have Football Reference, you have Baseball Reference, you have
Basketball Reference, like Barry Bonds mighthave the craziest page on any of those
sites. Like it's just you cansit there and just spend days on Barry
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Bonds's page, and yes, issome of it's steroid induced. Sure,
that's the era. I don't wantto erase an entire era of baseball.
When it was the era that morepeople watched than like any era in the
history of baseball. It was whenbaseball was still king in the country.
And I mean, he has thecraziest reference page ever. It's insane,
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and he's a seven time MVP,he's a fourteen time All Star, he's
an eight time Goal Glove, twotime batting title, twelve times Silver Slugger.
He went, dear god, it'sinsane. From nineteen nine ninety to
oh my god, all all right, real quick, and then we're done.
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We got like two more minutes turnthen we're popping off for here.
From nineteen ninety to two thousand andseven, that is seventeen years. Take
away the first four years of hiscareer, because granted he didn't start doing
these roids till later later in hiscareer. If you start in nineteen ninety,
his OPS plus was as followed,one hundred and seventy, one hundred
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and sixty, two hundred and four, two hundred and six, one hundred
and eighty three, one hundred andseventy, one hundred and eighty eight,
one hundred and seventy, one hundredand seventy eight, one hundred and fifty
six, one hundred and eighty eighttwo hundred and fifty nine in two thousand
and one. That was theory.It's three home runs two hundred and sixty
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eight ops plus in two thousand Allright, well it happened again. I
don't I don't really know what's goingon. Basically Barry Bonds's stats. I
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don't know what happened. Basically BarryBonds's stats just logged us all off because
they're so insane. Two hundred andsixty eight ops plus in two thousand and
two. It's it's unbelievable. Myfavorite Barry Bonds stat that I always say
is if you look at the alltime intentional walks leaders, he's in first
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place at six hundred and eighty eight. Albert pus is in second at three
hundred and sixteen. That's that's howmany more times Barry Bonds has been intentionally
walked than any other player in baseballhistory. It's bizarre. On that note,
any final thoughts, relievers, Eagles, whatever you got, any final
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final thought Ballatti twenty twenty four,or the comeback, it's gonna He's a
reliever of the Year. What's likethe Fireman Award that they give out and
like I always see it in thevideo game when you play through a year.
But I do believe that he canbe a legitimate piece in the bullpen.
He had three three e RA andfifty nine games in twenty twenty two,
seventy eight strikeouts and like sixty inningsone two nine ERA in eight playoff
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games in twenty twenty two. Theywere using him in like high leverage spots
in like close games, three scorelessinnings and three straight days in the World
Series against Houston, Like that's prettycrazy. And I know you had the
Brogdon tweet like he had seven pointone innings in the playoffs with zero runs
allowed in the NLCS in the WorldSeries eleven k's like he he could step
into a role as well, LikeI I think people want to see like
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a big splash move. To me, I was just hoping that they'd either
keep Nolla or replace him. Sowhen that happened, I was kind of
like like, alrighty, like let'slet's go, let's go win, let's
go. So got a probably maybeanother target or too coming here for the
pills, but obvious see the bigone, like you just said, was
Aaron Nola. Hopefully next time wetalk we have maybe hector right, Hector,
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maybe a bat in left field,something like that. But Mark,
thank you for coming on once again. Follow Mark on Twitter. Is it
Mark Henry Junior Underscore? Yeah?I think I got that right. Yeah,
so at Mark Henry Junior Underscore.You can listen to him on the
iHeart app or live on Twitter YouTubeevery Saturday on the Off Cover Radio show
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from eleven to one, streaming onour Fox Sports Gambler airwaves. For Mark
Henry Jr. I am Luke Arcaney. You can follow us at Luke and
I Phillies everywhere and we will talkto you next time
What is going on? Everybody?Welcome back to another episode of Luke and
I on the Phillies. I amLuke Arcaney. Usually on your screen to
my left is Sean Brace, thehost of the Daily Ticket three to six
Monday to Friday on Fox Sports AGambler. But you know, Sean's got
some priorities. You know, he'sat Father Gotta Chilt. He's got a
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lot of things to do, sosometimes we got to go to the bullpen
here. So we got Mark HenryJunior tapping in tonight for us for a
little bit, the host of thetopcover radio show every Saturday morning from eleven
to one on the Fox Sports AGambler Airwaves. How you doing, Mark,
I'm hanging in there man, andthe Sixers are getting us through.
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I mean, it's so funny.I don't know if you follow him on
Twitter, Mike Kyoto, he goeson tropbro Dude's show a lot. But
I was just listening to Trill's podcastwhere he's like, I dream of a
day where you know, August iscoming around. The Phillies are doing well,
but the Eagles were pissed off attheir back and we're like, thank
god, we have the Sixers.Man. Right now, I already kind
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of feel like that's because it's oneIt's one of the first times in a
while that I've ever been like,Sixers are kind of at the top of
their priority right now. Granted,in twenty days that probably won't be the
case, because I I will buymore into spring training baseball than I will
basketball. But that's that's that's reallyjust me. So I know, we
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got a lot to talk about,but the big one, obviously right now,
Reeese Hoskins two year, thirty fourmillion dollars deal with the Milwaukee Brewers.
It was it was something I listen, I don't I don't usually go
to bed early. I'm usually fallingasleep around like midnight ish. I I
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fell asleep, of course the nightthat re signed at around ten to fifteen,
ten thirty ish, and I wakeup at the next morning to everyone
freaking out about Reese being gone,and I'm like the one that I go
to sleep. So it was itwas definitely something weird to wake up to.
I think we all kind of knewit was coming, but it I
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don't really think anybody was really likeprepared for it. It was it was
definitely it hit me in the heartreally thinking about him in another uniform,
thinking about him in another city.Granted, if if there's a team that
I would say I'm okay with himgoing to, I would say it's probably
Milwaukee, Like I don't hate Milwaukee, Like Milwaukee's never done anything really bad
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to me. Like you know whatI mean. Like it's not like he's
going somewhere in the East or likethe Yankees or some team like that.
So what I mean, like,what was your kind of first thought there?
Because it was hit me in theheart a little bit. It's more
money than I thought you'd get.So I'm really happy for him. That's
like my leading thing. I loveRees Hoskins. He's one of my favorite,
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you know, Phillies of all time, not just this era. I
think he a lot of the timethroughout his time in Philadelphia was treated more
unfairly than many athletes. I can'tthink of many athletes that I think got
more unwarranted criticism than Reese Hoskins.And I always kind of gravitated. I'll
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never understand it. Never it's Imean, even you know, hey,
we love Fink, but I thinkthink makes my god, I think his
tweets stunk, sunk, It's terribleReez Hoskins. And here's the whole thing.
Like, I'm not saying, ohthey had they should have signed him
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to that deal and we should havekept them. Like I understand the situation,
but we can be sad that he'sleaving, and we can point that
we were missing his thump a littlebit last year at times, and we
were missing his ability to get onbase at times. So uh yeah,
I I you know, I hadfloated the idea earlier in the off season
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that I know you didn't like.I'm not I would probably I guess here's
how I should freeze it. Wouldyou rather have Reese Hoskins or Nick Castillano's
on the team exactly? That's kindof what it came down to, And
realistically it came down to kind ofthat, but it was really just where
does Bryce Harper want to play?And I love Reese, but Bryce Harper.
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Bryce Harper gets his first choice,right, And if the organization wants
Bryce Harper to play first for thenext you know, nine ten years for
us, and that's where Bryce Harperwants to play, then that's where Bryce
Harper is gonna play. There's reallyno if fans or butts about what Bryce
Harper wants to do because he's BryceHarper. He's the face of your franchise,
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he's the best player on your baseballteam, and he's a top five
player in baseball. So it wasit was definitely an unfortunate situation that one,
just the way it happened, justhim his last season. One.
It was awesome that his last seasonwith the team on the field was probably
the most exciting one we've had sinceeight other than nine really, but I
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would probably take the twenty twenty twoloss, just that hype over the over
that loss and O nine. ButI mean, it's it really came down
to that. It was just sucha horrible way for for him to really
go out, obviously with the ACLinjury back in spring training, and it
was so unfortunate because I will Idon't, I honestly don't think I'll ever
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forget it now. I was sittingon my couch watching that spring training game
and I saw him go down,and the second he went down, I
just knew exactly what happened. Itwas it just felt like like the second
it happened, you knew, andyou knew that this season just was going
to start on a spiral. Harperwas obviously out at the time, so
you were going into opening Day withno Bryce Harper, no Reese Hoskins.
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It was a it was a sadday. But what what Reese did here?
I don't think for the ones thatreally like loved Reese and really appreciated
Reese, we know what he did. I think you pointed out in the
seasons that weren't either his rookie yearor the COVID year. It thirty four
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home runs, twenty nine home runs, twenty seven home runs and thirty home
runs in the twenty seven was twentyseven was in one hundred and seven games.
Yeah, he had twenty seven homeruns and one hundred and seven games
with one hundred and twenty nine opsplus. His ops plus never dipped under
one ten and that was really onlyone year. Other than that, it
was basically over one twenty five everyyear. I know we Honestly, I've
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been trying to think about for awhile why the hate it is there for
him, and I my only realreason maybe has been the defense. I
feel like the he kind of turnedinto the scapegoat in the twenty twenty two
playoff run that whenever we lost agame ever, it kind of felt like
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the blame was always going on ares defensive play. Granted, there were
some plays that cost us some inningsin the playoff run. That's that's not
that's not wrong, But I don'tone one play at first base doesn't win
or lose you a game. Thatthat was always kind of my thing,
like rees Reese was never really likethe true reason why we're losing a baseball
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game. And and and that's almostkind of what it felt like at the
end of the twenty twenty two season. I think that the I've said it
about Nola as well. I thinkthe reason that I don't get it,
Yeah, I think it's because theywere part of like the Capitler collapse teams,
and they were part of that,like last era before we've been successful.
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So wouldn't you think it would bethe opposite, wouldn't I they have
the losing stink on them. Thatwouldn't you think that the guys that have
like been through the wringer with thisteam would be like the ones that we
feel the most like, I'm gonnabe so honest with you when we won
that pennant in twenty twenty two.Reese Austins was the person I was I
was the most happy for, likeNola and obviously Bryce JT. Like those
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are your long guys, Ree,Bryce JT, Nola, But Reese and
Nola like they they they went throughthe wringer man. I mean, rees
Haustin's got thrown in left field fora season, like we was most happy.
I was like, no, no, no go. What were I
was saying? I skip it.I was about to say I was most
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happy for Andrew Bilotti of course asthe number one, Andrew Blott, Davin
Connor, Brogden, those are ourguys. The Andrew Bolotti return in twenty
twenty four is going to be They'regonna about it. It's gonna be crazy.
It's it's unfortunate, but I meanit's I think we know what what
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what Reese did here and and honestlyI keep saying it, I think he
finds his way back here eventually.I think maybe a few years down the
line he signs that two year deal. Maybe if the Phillies don't think about
bringing back Kyle Schwarber, which Ithink they be a fool to not bring
back Kyle Schwarber. All he doesis hit home runs. So I don't
know why you wouldn't want a guylike that, especially who's a really big
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clubhouse guy for you. I don'treally know why you wouldn't want Shubber back.
But down the line, if thatwas the case Hoskins and Schwarber,
if if Hoskins does take his optionafter this season, those guys will hit
free agency in the same offseason,So maybe there's a maybe there's a reunion
there for Reese. I'm all forit, uh, but I it feels
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right, It feels like that that'snot the last game that he's gonna be
here in a Phillies uniform. Yeah, I could definitely see that. You
know, I would have loved tomaybe explore you try to trade Castianus if
you can get anything for him,Maybe you deal with Schwarber in left field,
you install Reese as a DH.But that's a lot of moving parts
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in Shoreber's terrible in the field obviously. So yeah, I was very much
talking my self back into throwing Swerverback and left field again because that that
was I felt like. As themore time went on, I felt like
the better chance Reese was staying.He seemed like a pretty like I mean,
he's a good bat. He's he'sprobably gonna go to Milwaukee and hit
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thirty home runs. He's gonna behe's gonna be hitting inside right, It's
it's he he's in a great stadium. I think he's a career like three
sixty hitter there with like six homeruns. So he's he's always hit well
in Milwaukee. But I don't know, I was, I was. I
think I tweeted it out the onethat I was like, what if they're
just gonna bring backeries? Obviously theydidn't, but don't. So it does
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feel like Milwaukee's in for like alittle bit of a down year though,
Like they lost their manager, theylost hater Wood, Drift is out,
like it feels like a little bitof the market, Like, yeah,
it's a little bit of a weird. It's just like I didn't expect them
to be the team they've They've justbeen like, I don't know, I've
never really got like what their goalis. I feel like they've always they're
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always just kind of like a middleof the pack team that wins a really
bad division in the NL Central andthen just like doesn't do anything with it.
They'll lose the first round. TheyThat's the thing is I guess they've
they've gotten so comfortable with winning theNL Central now because nobody else really wins
that division right now, even thoughprobably the Cubs this upcoming season if they
continue to go or a lot ofpeople are high on the Reds because of
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last year. But the Brewers willprobably just like sneak their way to like
an eighty six wing season and probablywin that division again and then and then
lose in the first round. Somaybe Reesel help that. I hope,
I would assume, But well,it'll be interesting to see if he's a
first basement or a DH there.Yeah, I don't know. I mean
I think ideally they would like toprobably have him in the DH spot.
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I think if you could keep Hoskinsout of the field, I think that's
probably your your ideal situation. Butif anyone's watching, they want to drop
some comments here, tune in.We'll be hanging out by another half hoursh
I want to get your thoughts onthe reliever situation now, because that that
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kind of seems where the Phillies areheaded, right. There's that they've They've
been rumored for a lot of guys. They were rumored in on Robert Stevenson.
He obviously did sign, so hewill not be coming to Philly.
But there are some big names outthere still. The big three for me
right now, old friend Hector Nursewas I was always a huge Hector guy.
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I thought he was kind of inthe Hoskins boat for me. I
feel like he got a lot ofhate when he kind of went through the
ringer too, and the Phillies managersjust never realized that he wasn't a ninth
inning pitcher. If you put himin the seventh or eighth inning, he's
a great pitcher, just don't throwhim in the ninth inning. Ryan Stannik,
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a big name, had a crazytwenty twenty two with Houston one point
one five e r A and fiftyfour innings. Uh, he was incredible.
Had a down year last year witha four oh nine. But I
mean, I still think if youcan take a guy that has a career
e RA of under three point fivethat throws really hard, I think you're
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gonna want to take him and thenuh. Nick Maton's brother Phil Mayton was
a pretty consistent reliever the last twoyears for Houston. UH had a really
good year last year with a threee r A flat. So, I
don't know, is there any namethat's kind of standing out to you out
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of those three. I know wethrew a poll out today. Last time
I checked, it was pretty itwas pretty even. Uh, it was
pretty even going around. I thinkHector was actually leading the way a little
bit. So Ryan Stanek did takethe win as of now, but it
was pretty even. I don't know, I do you agree with that?
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Would would would he be your topguy maybe out of those three or if
there's even anyone else that that thatyou were really thinking there? For me,
it would by far be Hector.I think Hector's really the only guy
that's left on the market that's exciting. Other guys I think would be depth
pieces like I think Hector can beone of your top three guys in the
pen in high leverage spots. Imean, he's been unbelievable in Houston.
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I mean the last two years,he's probably been a top five reliever in
baseball combined, if you maybe topten a little broadened out a little bit,
but the one seven to one eraand seventy one appearances this year,
Like, that's pretty incredible stuff.And his k per nine wasn't quite as
good this year, but it wasstill really good. Seventy seven strikeouts,
sixty eight innings. But you're alwaysgonna look at those twenty nineteen and twenty
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twenty one years eighty nine k's andsixty seven innings, ninety eight k's and
seventy four innings with relievers, youknow, I'm looking for strikeout when I'm
you know, kind of looking atguys. I think that's the only thing
that's repeatable is with stuff. Imean, that's stuff that year to year
we see it. With relievers,it's hard to invest in them because they're
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so volatile. I mean. Theeasiest way to do that to kind of
realize that, look at Fantasy Baseballevery year. Look at the preseason closer
rankings. It's massively different every singleyear because you see guys fall off the
face of the earth. The reasonthat is is there's such a small sample
size of innings and appearances where yousee a closer have five bad outings out
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of six or seven and you think, oh, you can't trust him anymore.
He's done. Is the closer.But realistically that's really only five innings.
So for a starter, that wouldbe one bad start and you wouldn't
be like, oh, we can'tuse them again. So with closers,
there's just it's a really harsh,you know, grading system for them because
they only throw seventy innings if theythrow a lot of innings in a year.
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But I think Hector's been pretty remarkablyconsistent over a really long stretch of
time here. I think he's gonnaget a lot of money. Personally,
I think he's gonna get paid.Robert Stevenson was a guy I really liked.
He got paid to go to theLa Angels. We've seen a couple
guys get big market or big moneyon the market. In terms of relievers,
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I think there's a chance that thebest way for the Fills to get
a reliever it might be kind ofthe same path they took with Gregorysoto last
year, where they go out andthey find, you know, maybe a
reliever that's fallen out of favor asa closer on a bad team, and
then you pick him up for aprospect or too with the house for a
manual. That's a I mean thatto me, that might go back to
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the level of like I don't knowif I want to invest in closer,
because if that's gonna take a highlevel prospect, you have to find kind
of that like send that that's gonnatake a that's gonna take a package starting
with mc gable. Yeah, yeah, you have to find you have to
find that sodo trade where like whatwe give a veerling in Mayton, Like
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if you can give up like theequivalent to that for a nice piece in
the bullpen, I think that's fine. Like, I think that's totally a
fine thing. But I'm also,like I said earlier, like I'm hopeful
in some of these guys in thebullpen, like Oryan Kirkering, I'm expecting
him to step into a role,Like I think that's should be expected at
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this point, Like with some ofthe electric stuff we saw down the stretch.
Obviously was it perfect, No,But I think that there's a lot
to be excited about with what's alreadyon the team. Like I think if
we lined it up today, Philliesprobably have a top ten bullpen, not
even without a doubt, with maybeprobably probably closer to the front end of
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five than ten. Yeah, nodoubt. I mean, if you have
Jose Alvarado, Sir Anthony Dominguez andwhat you think O. Ryan Kirkering is
gonna be and Hoffman yet like that, that's a really good bullpen. I
think what you're getting back with Hectortwo is kind of just like a Jose
Alvarado part two. Obviously, Idon't think as good as as Alvarado and
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probably not as dominant, but Hectoris going to be able to pitch in
the role that we wanted to getJose Alvarado out of. I think what
we kind of wanted from Alvarado,and we were starting to realize towards the
end of the season, was thatwe felt like we were burning Alvarado so
much in the sixth or seventh becausewe had to. And then we get
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to the ninth inning and all wehave left is a guy like Kimberl who
was so hit or miss at thatpoint, and and and when he was
on he was he was great,and but what he was and he was
absolutely atrocious. So I think beingable to hopefully right because I mean,
your ideal situation is for Jose Alvaradoto throw as many ninth innings as possible,
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like that, you want Jose Alvaradoin with the game on the line
to end the game because he's yourbest reliever, he's your best left He
throws hard and he strikes people outright. He makes people with and that's
that's what you need from a closer. If you're a closer, your goal
is to not let the ball getin play. You want to strike everybody
out. If you're a guy likeJeff Hoffman or a guy like Andrew Bilotti,
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Brogden, those kind of guys,then you're okay with with ground balls,
pop ups, line out stuff likethat. Battis mister strike out.
Bloody is mister strike it is?Kper nine is just through the roof.
See that's why. That's why I'ma guy. But I think if you're
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if you're talking about a guy likeNarraw, I lost mark here. Sorry
we got one second mark back.I'm bad. I don't either. I
don't either. Little technical difficulties there. Oh good. If you're listening on
Apple Podcasts Spotify, you're probably like, why did these dudes just stop talking
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for the last fifteen seconds. ButI think, if once again, if
you're getting that guy like Narris,I think it's just another dominant, hard
throwing guy that you can get inyour bullpen. And I think that's kind
of what the Phillies have been goingfor the last few offseasons. Like you
said with Soto from the Tigers,right that, they've been acquiring these hard
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throwing guys. You have Alvarado,Soto, Dominguez, Hoffman, all those
guys throw really hard. And evenwith Kirkering, if Kirkering pans out to
eighty percent of what we think hecould be, that's a huge win for
this team. I mean, whatwe saw last year those last few weeks
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of the regular season and early onin the playoffs was was special stuff.
I mean, he was making someof the best hitters in baseball look stupid.
So I mean, if he canreally come back from those playoffs struggle
and and it really was only likean inning or two, he really didn't
pitch horrible in the playoffs. Hehad had a few bad outings, which
granted, I didn't expect a guywho got caught up a month and a
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half before the playoffs started to heI mean, he he got thrown into
a role that what I just don'tthink he was ready for. H that's
a big task to ask of him. I think we'll be ready this year.
He seems like a guy that's gonnabe able to thrive in the moment.
But I think I'm with you.I think I do one really want
Hector back, and two I thinkhe is going to come back. I
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I think the Phillies are gonna haveinterest there. I think Hector Hector would
probably have interest in coming back.I think the number is going to be
hefty. I know the Yankees werementioned as a team that were also involved.
I know that there was there wasa report that came out last week
that he was he was looking forclose to like forty five million total over
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over like three years, which isa lot. But if you're paying him
for what he's done the last threeyears, then he's earned it. That's
that's basically the bottom line. Andwe're getting to a point now where the
reliever market and just the market ingeneral for pitchers is so high. It's
the these contracts that these pictures arebeing thrown is just absolutely absurd. Hat
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and you got like one hundred likewhat did Kimberl make like fourteen million or
something like? Yeah, And Iget it. He was. He was
an All Star the first half ofthe year, and he has a career
like two three al right, butif you watched any bit of the playoffs,
that is not a fourteen million dollarpitcher, Like where'd he go again
the Baltimore? Right, yeah,I think you're right, Baltimore. Yeah.
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Yeah, So he signed a oneyear, thirteen million dollar contract with
the Baltimore earlier Orioles for twenty twentyfour, which is I'm happy we didn't
pay that price. I'll tell youthat you simply could. I mean,
yeah, it would be like apr nightmare to have brought him back after
how that season ended, which he'sprobably like the leading culprit to how it
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ended. But honestly, like ifyou just went like top six in every
bullpen, I'd put Alvarado, Hoffman, Sodo, Strom, Kirkering, And
then like the big X factor wehaven't really even talked about, is like
what is sir Anthony like that?That is like when he's on, he's
so good and his case stuff lookslike it should be great. The stats
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of his Caper nine stuff's like neverbeen as good as I think, like
the eye test would tell you itshould be. And you know, it
feels like we haven't seen whatever thebest version of Sir Anthony Dominguez is going
to be in the majors. Idon't know if we'll get to see it
in Philly, like you know,it could happen a few years down the
line, like you see with Hector, but hopefully, you know, he
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breaks out this year and kind ofgoes back to being the summon Sir Anthony,
like lockdown guy who he was attimes like he I mean in twenty
twenty two in the postseason, hestepped up in huge spots and like I
mean, his hit all of hisoutings against the Braves, like like and
and and he had great ones againstSaint Louis, great ones against San Diego,
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great ones against Houston. But hisseries against the Braves was unbelievable.
Every single time he got out there, I was just thinking strikeout, strikeout,
strikeout, like every single time.I mean, he he He had
a zero e r versus Saint Louis. He had a zero ERA versus Atlanta.
He had a two two five againstSan Diego. He had a three
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against Houston. He had a zeroe R A in this past NLDS,
and he had a zero e rA in this past NLCS, So I
mean he has a one point oneto three e r A in uh sixteen
career postseason innings. So it seemslike what's happened with Sir Anthony the past
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few years is we get to likeSeptember and he's kind of starting to go
downhill a little bit, and thenthe second you get in the playoffs,
the second you get in the playoffs, it's just like night and day.
It feels like easy. He's beenunbelievable. Which granted, if if you
want to pitch your best baseball inthe playoffs, that's completely okay with me.
Right, I'm not gonna argue therewith that, but I know we're
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kind of gonna segue into this probablya little Eagles thing. Looks like you
one more pointer? Yeah, yeah, real quick. I just wanted to
say, because my point to bringup the top six bullpen guys, like
i'd put that top six probably likeit's probably like I said, I think
you were right. I think it'sprobably closer to five than ten if you
want to talk about bullpen. Andthen if we're talking you roster eight bullpen
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guys, roughly like we're talking theseventh and eighth guys in the pen when
we're talking about like what we needto improve on. Really, when it
comes down to it, like youwould have to push out like I think
Ballotti, Covey, Brogden, LikeI think two of those three guys could
stick as back end of the bullpenguys. Like you had a tweet earlier,
it is Brogden still on the roster, right, Yeah, so all
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three of them are on the roster. You're gonna see Covey. He doesn't
have any options, so he hedoes, he does have to be up.
Granted, I thought Covey pitched greatafter that game, that one game
in Atlanta that they they signed him. They made him start in Atlanta on
Sunday Night Baseball. They made himstart and he got absolutely lit up.
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And I think after that game,I think he had like a three point
four e RA. The last threemonths of the season, he was like
he was like under a two five. So granted, was he getting thrown
in a high leverage situations. No, But I think what it's it's just
a cycle that I think we've startedto. It's it happens with the sixers,
right, everybody on the sixers toour fans, has to be the
(26:37):
best basketball player ever, and likeDylan Covey does not have to be like
prime Mariano Rivera. He needs togo out there, he needs to eat
innings for you when you don't wantto throw Josey Alvarado into a game that
you're up by nine, right likethat, Dylan, Dylan Covey's goal is
to not isn't to have like aone to five e r A like granted,
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that would be awesome, but heknows that's and and we know that
that's probably not gonna happen. Sothat we've I think we kind of need
to start realizing that because it hasbeen a thing. It was always like
cut Covee, he stanks whatever Ilike, he like he's doing it.
He's not supposed to be up againstJuan Soto and the ninth inning in a
tie game like that. That's notwhat he does. Like, So you're
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saying Dylan over Britain in the CoveyBattle of Philadelphia. I don't know.
I don't know. I am aBritain Covey guy. He very good year,
I'll tell you that. Other thanthat, uh, botched, botched
punt that almost. I mean,granted we would have lost that game anyway,
no what happened, but that,well, there we go. That's
a that's a perfect segue there intouh a little Eagles talk. So if
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you are strictly a Phillies fan,this won't be long, but we do
have to talk about it. Uh. The Eagles hired Vic Fangio uh to
be their new defensive coordinator. Fangioobviously long career in the NFL. He
was the Broncos defensive coordinator for awhile. He was with Miami uh this
past season. That just is wellis still going on, and he was
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a what he he got brought into help with like the offense and the
defense for the playoffs last year orsomething like that. Right, Yeah,
yeah, he got brought in thedefense as a consultant in the play Yeah.
So he Vic Fangio, Uh,he's he's had a pretty long history
with with Howie and Lurry. Itseems like. Uh so he went to
(28:33):
East Stroudsburg and Pa. Uh.He was born in Pennsylvania. Uh,
lived in Pennsylvania for a good portionof his life. Seems like he grew
up an Eagles fan. But whatwe're really here to talk about. Is
Vic Fangio is a massive Phillies fan, like die hard Phillies fan, loves
the Phillies, lives and dies bythe Phillies. So there was an article
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written by John Greenberg last October.I believe that's from The Athletic and the
title was with a year off,vic Fangio has plenty of time to cheer
on his beloved Phillies. H fiveyears ago, I learned two things about
Vic Fangio. He never drinks coffee, and he always knows the Phillies score.
I still don't go to sleep atnight until I know whether the Phillies
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won or lost, he told meback in twenty seventeen, even if they're
on the West Coast. So I'mI'm all in, right, I'm completely
all in on Vic Fangio. Ifeel like I have no choice to be.
But if you're a Phillies guy,and if he walks out into like
a press conference with a Phillies onhis time, I am I'm all in.
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All yeah. I need I needVic Fangio at Phil's tailgates like I
need him throwing out the first pitch. I need him wearing like a fanatic
hat on the sideline, like oneof those like like the big fuzzy hats
with like the you know it dropsdown. I need the full like the
full pander mode from from Vic Fangio. I'm all in on it. Bring
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in all the Italians. You know, it's so funny that they're just going
all in on Italians. Yeah.So, I know, we really had
one more thing we wanted to talkabout, and it was the Baseball Hall
of Fame results. I know,we both kind of have a take.
Let me just say the results andthen we'll talk about why the Baseball Hall
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of Fame's kind of stupid. SoAdrian Beltrey finished with ninety five point one
percent obvious first ballot Hall of Famer, one of the best third basements ever.
Todd Helton got seventy nine point sevenpercent, so he was four point
seven percent over, which was agood vote for Helton. Deserves to be
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in the Hall of Fame. Andthen you have Joe Mauer, who got
in by in his first year onthe ballot by one point one percent.
He logs seventy six point one percent. Uh So those were your three players
that got inducted this year. Thebig one is a is a miss by
five votes for Billy Wagner, whopitched for the Phillies, uh for two
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years. Uh he was I thinkhe was with Atlanta right New York.
Uh he he meant by I thinkit was like five votes, So that
that was kind of one that hewas floating around that like seventy eight seventy
nine percent that whole day of theresults, and then once those that kind
of back half of the results camein that people don't throw them out on
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uh like Twitter and stuff like that, all those those like hidden results.
That's kind of where Wagner tanked there, which he has, he has one
more year. I would have toassume he probably gets in next year.
But Chase Utley got twenty eight pointeight percent. I thought it was a
really good first first year for Ithink it's really encouraging seeing Atly get nearly
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thirty percent, and I think it'sonly a matter of time before he gets
in. I I do believe thatOttley will get in the Hall of Fame.
I think it'll probably take around likefour more years, but I do
think Utley does get in eventually.Then you had a bray you him and
Rollins both logged fourteen point eight percent. Rollins, I don't. This is
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holy and I want to get yourthoughts, but I don't. I think
Chase has a lot better shot.Even before we saw these results, I
think Chase's resume and really just theposition he played has has a lot better
chance of getting in over Rollins.Yeah, it's it's mainly because there's been
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a lot less really productive second basementoffensively in for a stretch he probably had
like one of the better stretches insecond base history in his prime there.
So I you know, Jay rollis my favorite athlete of all time,
so I'm a little bit biased whenit comes to that conversation. I think
when it comes to like his importanceon the team, I think you could
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argue like he was just as importantas Chase Sutley in some ways. But
I think I always agreed with youthat Chase Utley had a better chance to
get in, and that was baredout in the results here obviously, And
I agree with you that this isa pretty good sign he probably will get
in by the end of his Ithink it's five years or ten years,
yes, I mean he's got ninemore years left. Yeah, I would
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assume it probably takes about four orfive for him to get in. Yeah,
that's probably fair, go up aboutlike six seven percent every year ish
usually for those type of middle ofthe pack guys that will get in eventually
but don't get in early. Ithink he gets in, and I think
he deserves it, right, Likeif if anybody realistically like Jimmy Rollins was
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awesome, like he was a greatshortstop, he was unbelievable, he was
such a great baseball player. Butif anybody thinks Phillies two thousands, I
think, chase up right like thatthat to me, if if if you
pointed at me and said name oftwo thousand and eight Philly, my first
answer is chase up. And Grantedfor a guy like Ryan Howard who really
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will never have a chance to getin because of the position he plays,
I think if you look at maybethe home run stats, I think I
think Howard would would have a chance, and maybe the accolades, but it's
it's nearly impossible to get in asa first base and unless you're of the
most elite of the elite. Yeah, it's because he had such a short
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prime too. With Howard that he'sjust not gonna have a chance to get
in. I mean, you canmake the argument he was definitely like the
best player. Probably he was thebest hitter. He's one of the best
hit the Phillies. I mean,yeah, I mean that. I mean
that couple of year run he hadas a story, I mean was five
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to nine. I mean, whatwas the year. I mean, he
the one year he mashed. Hewas unbelievable. His MVP year two thousand
and six, he played one hundredand fifty nine games as a first baseman.
He had one hundred and four runs, scored, one hundred and eighty
two hits, twenty five doubles,fifty eight home runs, one hundred and
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forty nine RBIs, he had aHe had a one sixty seven ops plus
with a one point eight four ops. Then in two thousand and seven he
finished fifth in MVP. He hadforty seven home runs, one hundred and
thirty six RBIs and a one fortyfive ops plus. Then in two thousand
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and eight he finished second in MVP. He had forty eight home runs,
one hundred and forty six RBIs andan UH one twenty five ops plus.
And then nine he finished third inin the MVP UH with forty five home
runs, one hundred and forty oneRBIs, and a one forty one ops
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plus. So he hit one hundredand forty one hundred and he hit one
hundred and ninety eight home runs fromtwo thousand and six to two thousand and
nine. Granted, if he didthat over a twelve year career and did
that all twelve years, he's oneof the best baseball players of all time.
But unfortunately for Howard, it wasreally just those standout five years and
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when you look at everything else,when you look at his Baseball Reference page,
if you take those four years out, it's really good, but it's
not. It's it's basically him goinginto the Hall of really good, right.
So that's that's kind of where itand that's where I feel like we
can kind of talk about how weboth kind of hate the Hall of Fame
and how it's kind of a joke. In the first Ryan Howard's also the
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reason that War is kind of ajoke. Fourteen point seven career wars.
If you think, if you ifyou look at War and you and you
tell me Ryan Howard's thirteen year career, he he gave you a one war
every season, then it's the samething as it's ridiculous. But I mean,
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and and then, like we talkedabout before we got on here,
Right, if you have a Hallof Fame and the biggest, one of
the biggest controversies in in sports isshould Barry Bonds be in the Hall of
Fame? I get it, hetook, he took, he took steroids.
Whatever if the if the best purehitter in the history of the sport
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is not in your Hall of Fame. But it's tough to really say,
how how real you're you're uh?That is right? Like I if you
don't put arguably a top five playerin sports history based off of skill in
that sports hall of Fame, whetherhe did steroids or not, because granted
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he was mashing before he even tookthe steroids, it's it's tough for me
to really sit back and be soamped up about it. Yeah. And
it's also like nobody does more gatekeepingthan the Baseball Hall of Fame because they
like pick and choose when they careabout steroids too, Like David Artiz was
mentioned in the Mitchell Report, butthat doesn't that doesn't stick in the same
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way. Like there's plenty of guyswho have been mentioned in steroid things like
Sean Brace hates when I say this. Ken Griffy's entire body broke down,
like after going through an insane runwhere he was hitting a ton of or
hitting a ton of home runs andlooked like he was way bigger all of
a sudden, Like I think it'sprobably likely he probably died. And that's
not me accusing anything, Like Ithink everyone was probably doing it like I
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would have done it if I wasa top player in baseball, to keep
up, Like I think it's justthe natural as it. It feels like
I mean, and I wasn't reallylike alive or like really knowing like when
it was happening, But it's somethingthat it almost felt like guys had to
do it to keep up like that, like that that's kind of what it
was, because you know, theseall these top guys in your support are
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doing this and they're not getting caught, and they're the faces of the league,
right and and like if if ifreally from a business standpoint, right,
if if you want to keep upand you want to make that money
on your contract, like you needto put up, not saying you have
to go take steroids, but youhave to put up stats just like theirs,
and it's pretty hard to match BarryBond's stats without taking steroids. Like
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it's it's a tough situation because likeI get it, I get it,
I get I get both sides.If you cheat, you shouldn't be recognized
for it. I get that.But it's at the same time, if
I if I go to Cooperstown tomorrowand I'm looking at all the plaques and
I never watched baseball before, Iwouldn't know who the best baseball player of
all time is or one of becausehe isn't in there. Like it's just
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it's something doesn't feel right to me, And I know you kinda are on
the same page. Yeah, BarryBonds is maybe like the most insane.
You know, you have Football Reference, you have Baseball Reference, you have
Basketball Reference, like Barry Bonds mighthave the craziest page on any of those
sites. Like it's just you cansit there and just spend days on Barry
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Bonds's page, and yes, issome of it's steroid induced. Sure,
that's the era. I don't wantto erase an entire era of baseball.
When it was the era that morepeople watched than like any era in the
history of baseball. It was whenbaseball was still king in the country.
And I mean, he has thecraziest reference page ever. It's insane,
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and he's a seven time MVP,he's a fourteen time All Star, he's
an eight time Goal Glove, twotime batting title, twelve times Silver Slugger.
He went, dear god, it'sinsane. From nineteen nine ninety to
oh my god, all all right, real quick, and then we're done.
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We got like two more minutes turnthen we're popping off for here.
From nineteen ninety to two thousand andseven, that is seventeen years. Take
away the first four years of hiscareer, because granted he didn't start doing
these roids till later later in hiscareer. If you start in nineteen ninety,
his OPS plus was as followed,one hundred and seventy, one hundred
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and sixty, two hundred and four, two hundred and six, one hundred
and eighty three, one hundred andseventy, one hundred and eighty eight,
one hundred and seventy, one hundredand seventy eight, one hundred and fifty
six, one hundred and eighty eighttwo hundred and fifty nine in two thousand
and one. That was theory.It's three home runs two hundred and sixty
(41:53):
eight ops plus in two thousand Allright, well it happened again. I
don't I don't really know what's goingon. Basically Barry Bonds's stats. I
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don't know what happened. Basically BarryBonds's stats just logged us all off because
they're so insane. Two hundred andsixty eight ops plus in two thousand and
two. It's it's unbelievable. Myfavorite Barry Bonds stat that I always say
is if you look at the alltime intentional walks leaders, he's in first
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place at six hundred and eighty eight. Albert pus is in second at three
hundred and sixteen. That's that's howmany more times Barry Bonds has been intentionally
walked than any other player in baseballhistory. It's bizarre. On that note,
any final thoughts, relievers, Eagles, whatever you got, any final
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final thought Ballatti twenty twenty four,or the comeback, it's gonna He's a
reliever of the Year. What's likethe Fireman Award that they give out and
like I always see it in thevideo game when you play through a year.
But I do believe that he canbe a legitimate piece in the bullpen.
He had three three e RA andfifty nine games in twenty twenty two,
seventy eight strikeouts and like sixty inningsone two nine ERA in eight playoff
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games in twenty twenty two. Theywere using him in like high leverage spots
in like close games, three scorelessinnings and three straight days in the World
Series against Houston, Like that's prettycrazy. And I know you had the
Brogdon tweet like he had seven pointone innings in the playoffs with zero runs
allowed in the NLCS in the WorldSeries eleven k's like he he could step
into a role as well, LikeI I think people want to see like
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a big splash move. To me, I was just hoping that they'd either
keep Nolla or replace him. Sowhen that happened, I was kind of
like like, alrighty, like let'slet's go, let's go win, let's
go. So got a probably maybeanother target or too coming here for the
pills, but obvious see the bigone, like you just said, was
Aaron Nola. Hopefully next time wetalk we have maybe hector right, Hector,
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maybe a bat in left field,something like that. But Mark,
thank you for coming on once again. Follow Mark on Twitter. Is it
Mark Henry Junior Underscore? Yeah?I think I got that right. Yeah,
so at Mark Henry Junior Underscore.You can listen to him on the
iHeart app or live on Twitter YouTubeevery Saturday on the Off Cover Radio show
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from eleven to one, streaming onour Fox Sports Gambler airwaves. For Mark
Henry Jr. I am Luke Arcaney. You can follow us at Luke and
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