Hour 2: Mamdani’s NYC

Mamdani’s NYC.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Thanks for being with us this morning, and good morning
to you. In the big three Congress votes to release
the Epstein files, the House did it in quick order,
only one Republican voting against it. Then the Senate did
the same thing with one Republican voting against it, passing
both the House and the Senate in just one long day.

(00:21):
Now it's on the president's desk.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
There's no reason it can't be on the president's desk
in an hour.

Speaker 1 (00:27):
Second, the President has to sign it. You never know
with him said he would, let's wait and see.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
But third, we have to make sure that the whole
all of the documents are released.

Speaker 1 (00:39):
And zorain Mom, Donnie the socialist mayor elects who wants
to make the city more affordable. At least that's what
he claimed. That's what he ran on for struggling New Yorkers.
Still needs more money from those same struggling New Yorkers
for his transition. He's looking for four million dollars soon not.

Speaker 3 (01:00):
To have to ask you for money. But until then,
I'm asking for you to go to Transition twenty twenty
five dot com and give whatever you can to help
with the New York that everyone can afford. This is
your city and I can't wait to get to work.

Speaker 1 (01:12):
What is that music that he's playing in the background.
Is that more like that it's distracting from the fact
that he's asking you for money. I know, but it
sounds doesn't it sound like it's Arabic music. I think
it's Bollywood music like he played the last time. It's
got a sitar or something or some anyway. Mayor Adams

(01:34):
wraps up his trip to Israel and is now on
to Uzbekistan. But New York and the Mayor elect is
always on his mind.

Speaker 2 (01:43):
If I was a Jewish New York cup with children,
I would be concerned right now.

Speaker 1 (01:49):
I would be concerned right now.

Speaker 2 (01:51):
And that's something we should not normalize and it should
not be accepted, and I'm not willing.

Speaker 1 (01:57):
To accept it. The borders are Tom Holman promises major
ice raids in New York before Mom Donnie has sworn in,
So we're gonna be coming to New York sit. We're already
there now, I mean teams are there now, but we
were increasing enforcement present in New York City again because
our sanctuary city and we know we have an issue.
There are public state to try to sit in the
street every time. Well, he says he's willing to have

(02:18):
a conversation with Mom Donnie. Mom Donnie allegedly said to
Donald Trump that one of the things he wants to
talk about is making the street safer, and Tom Holman said,
I'm in. So we'll see where that goes. Right now,
let's bring in Jeffrey Lickman, high profile defense attorney, host
of Beyond the Legal Limit podcast, which could be found
on the iHeartRadio app. Jeffrey, I wanted to talk to

(02:41):
you a little bit about the Epstein files. What are
you expecting from these? Are there gonna be bombshells?

Speaker 4 (02:50):
You know? I don't know. Trump was against releasing them
for so long, and then all of a sudden, when
he realized that his base was turning on him, he
did an about face and said they should be released.
So I don't know if they're going to be heavily
redacted due to purported national security issues. So I would
be shocked if Trump would be pushing to have these

(03:11):
released and there would be some kind of bombshell that
would harm him.

Speaker 1 (03:15):
I want to tell you something that's in the back
of my mind, and you tell me if I might
be right about this. He announced just about a month
ago that he was going to launch an investigation from
the Justice Department. He instructed them to look into Larry
Summers and to look into Bill Clinton and other Democrats
that were going down to pedophile Island, Jeffrey Epstein's island.

(03:39):
Can they claim that they can't release the files right
now because of a ongoing investigation.

Speaker 4 (03:47):
I think they can probably claim Larry whatever they want
in order to achieve the result that they want. I
think that's really how you have to look at it.
Forget looking at the legalities. They're going to do what
they have to do to get the result that they want.
You know, I was a little bit weirded out by
Trump's direction that there should be an investigation of epstein

(04:09):
contacts with prominent Democrats. How about like prominent Americans. You know,
does everything have to be you know, you're going after
your enemies. I'm certain that there were many many prominent
Republicans that also had a relationship with them. This is
this should be a bipartisan issue and doesn't look like
it's gonna end up that way.

Speaker 1 (04:29):
Are you concerned at all? I guess concerns the wrong
word but should people's other people involved be concerned at
all about the fact that some of these names may
be released that had maybe didn't partake, maybe just visited
the island, that there's no evidence that they did anything
wrong while they were there.

Speaker 4 (04:50):
I mean, of course, anybody who has even a conversation
with Epstein is being smeared as a criminal pedophile at
this point, so obviously that that's not fair. I mean,
the guy didn't spend his every waking moment committing crimes.
I mean, look, Trump spent time with Epstein, and Trump says,
of course he's innocent. So you know, I think that
you've got to be careful how this material is released,

(05:14):
that it's got to be explained, because you know, you've
got the world is just going to start pointing fingers
and lives are going to be destroyed. You know, you
also have to the people that are going to be accused.
The statute of limitations has run. There's not going to
be any criminal cases, but you've got a lot of
bad information that's going to come out, and unless it's

(05:35):
completely transparent, a lot of people are going to be
unfairly smeared.

Speaker 1 (05:39):
Well, you're one of the best known criminal defense attorneys
in the country. There are other criminal defense attorneys that
I'm sure are getting phone calls right now. What would
those attorneys be doing if someone called and said, hey, listen,
my name might be on this list. What can I do?

Speaker 4 (05:56):
Well? The first thing after they cash their check, they
would probably explained to the would be or now new
client that there's no criminal exposure. I mean, this is
sort of like a situation, Larry, where you're gonna have
like twenty five holes in the dike as a defense
lawyer and you've only got ten fingers and ten toes.
I think there's a limit to what you can do

(06:18):
at this point other than trying to get out ahead
of it and as soon as the name is released,
trying to explain publicly that you know, there's no criminal
accusation here. There simply was a relationship. There's plenty of people,
as I said, that went to that island, that there's
no proof they did anything wrong.

Speaker 1 (06:36):
Right, it's going to be it is messy. Let one
last question on this before I move in on to
mom Donnie. The one last question is is the government
going to be in any legal jeopardy or do they
have some type of exemption.

Speaker 4 (06:50):
Or protection, legal jeopardy in what sense I mean in
terms of criminal.

Speaker 1 (06:54):
Problems, lawsuits, lawsuits to know.

Speaker 4 (06:59):
I don't think there will be. I think they'll have,
you know, immunity from anything like that. But I think
if the names are put out, they're going to have
to be put out in a transparent way so that
people will understand in terms of exactly what these people
have done that are going to be in the records.
I don't know if there'll even be a basis for
a lawsuit.

Speaker 1 (07:18):
Okay, now let's get onto what the world's going to
look like with Zorin Mamdanni. What are your expectations?

Speaker 4 (07:26):
Well, I mean, look, the first thing he did was
back for an assembate queen's assembly seat. The daughter of
an illegal immigrant. She calls al Qaeda and hamas her hero.
She's Palestinian. You know this is what you're gonna expect.
You're go and get a lot of this Islamist slop,
this filth. Are going to be taking positions of power

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in New York City.

Speaker 1 (07:49):
But this is what you expect.

Speaker 4 (07:51):
When you elect a pro Muslim terror Islamist like Mamdanni.
You're going to get all of the garbage that goes
along with them. So there's going to be plenty of
seats be taken over by these people. The buses, I
presume he's going to, you know, try to make them free,
so you're going to have homeless and drug addicts are

(08:12):
going to be basically living on them. He's got to
get the money for all of this stuff to happen,
you know, for the slow denigration of our life in
New York and the life the quality of life in
New York. Kathy Hokel, as we know, is a craven,
pitiful politician who will do whatever she has to do
to get elected. That's all she cares about. So she

(08:35):
feels that she can raise taxes and release money. If
it will not, She'll be doing poll after poll after
poll to determine if it's going to affect her popularity.
If it will get her one more vote, then it
will lose her. She will do all these things. She'll
raise taxes on the wealthy again. I mean they talk

(08:55):
about it as if the wealthy you're not paying their taxes, Larry,
we pay fifty percent of our taxes. Of our income
goes to taxes I don't know where, and we pay
nearly all of the taxes in New York City. I
don't know why, why Mam Donnie thinks that, you know,
rich people aren't you know, paying their taxes.

Speaker 1 (09:14):
She will release it.

Speaker 4 (09:15):
She will allow all of these things to happen if
she thinks that it will help her win the next election.
And believe me, Mam Donnie's got long coat tails. I
mean he won I you know, fifty percent of the vote.
That's a lot in a three person race. So I
have to say that she's going to be nervous that
he's going to do things to harm her as well

(09:36):
if she doesn't blindly follow his leftist pro Islamist communists.
I'm not going to call it socialist agenda.

Speaker 1 (09:45):
Yeah, I'll tell you what. He does have long coat tails.
He has long coat tails across the country. We weren't
paying attention because we were so focused on the New
York race, but socialists were elected in big cities across
the country. It's going to be a new world. Jeffrey
Jeffrey Lackman, high profile crime defense attorney, host of Beyond
the Legal Limit broadcast found podcast Excuse Me, found on

(10:05):
the iHeartRadio app. Thanks a lot Jeffrey, Thanks for having me.
I talked to you soon. Jeffrey Lickman, high profile criminal
defense attorney with us every Wednesday at seven oh five.
Now think of the great Bond movie actors Sean Connery, right,
Roger Moore, Dick Van Dyke. Believe it or not, it

(10:27):
almost happened. We'll tell you about it next. Plus take
us to see air supply at A twenty five. Thanks
so much for your talkbacks today. A lot of the
talkbacks so far have been about what we started the
show with, and that was Mary Bruce from ABC getting
a talking to from President Trump for asking a question
to the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia, who is making

(10:50):
a visit about the death of Jamal Kashogi.

Speaker 5 (10:52):
The US Intelligence concluded that you orchestrated the brutal murder
of a journalist. Nine eleven families are furious that you
were year in the oblong who.

Speaker 1 (11:06):
Fakeness one of the worst, one of the worst in
the business. I said that her question was completely appropriate,
and you've responded. You know, Larry, I get it.

Speaker 4 (11:18):
You know that thing happened a few years.

Speaker 1 (11:20):
Ago, and uh, I know, I don't know. I just
think that I agree with Trump. I don't think listen,
that guy is a guest in our country, and that's
what you do. There's a time and the place, And
I'm with Trump. We have a free press in this country, Billy,
we have a free press. And and and thanks for
the talk back, But I completely disagree with you. If

(11:43):
he doesn't want those questions asked, he has control over that,
Donald Trump, he can not have the press avail. He
likes to have the press at all of these meetings.
If he didn't think that question was going to be asked,
that's on him, because obviously was going to be asked.
I think every reporter in that room was going to

(12:04):
bring it up. It just so happens that Mary Bruce
was the first up. I think Donald Trump was okay.
I'm not going to criticize him for how he responded.
He's trying to make a deal. He's going to protect
the Crown Prince, and the Crown Prince was good too.
He answered the question. He denied it, but he answered
the question. She was doing her job. That is really
good journalism.

Speaker 3 (12:25):
You know, Larry.

Speaker 6 (12:26):
These wonderful reporters showed some restraint when it came to
interviewing people with Biden, so that there wouldn't be any
embarrassment to the American people, or it wouldn't infringe upon
any good economic opportunity for America. And they restrained themselves

(12:46):
from making the president look bad. But in this case
they go all out.

Speaker 1 (12:52):
It was false restraint. They were restrained. Remember, he didn't
have all of these opportunities. This is the most access
that the press has ever gotten to a president. This
is kind of amazing. It's the first time in American
history this has happened this way, and it's in stark
contrast to Biden, who just picked out selected reporters. He

(13:16):
knew what the questions were gonna be. Heck, he had
them written down. He had his answers written down on
a note card because he was losing all his mental capability.
And then there was rarely news conferences. He would go
with months without having a news conference. You can't really
compare the two. You can't really compare them. The restraint

(13:38):
that the reporters were under was a restraint that was
put around them, tying them all together by the Biden administration.
That was not anything close to self restraint. All right,
This is really a surprising story. How about how about
Dick Van Dyke appearing on the Today Show and they

(13:59):
asked him about regrets in his life And can you
see Dick Van Dyke as James Bond?

Speaker 3 (14:08):
I can't.

Speaker 1 (14:09):
And guess what, I don't think he could either. Yeah,
I'm not positive. That's why he turned it down. I mean,
that's why he regrets it all these years later. Remember
at the time, he was one of the hottest actors
in Hollywood. I mean he had you know, he had
Mary Poppins, he was he had the Dick Van Dyke Show.
He was hugely popular. I understand why they won him. Well,

(14:30):
here's what he said. Gobby Brockett came to me. They said,
would you like to be Bond? And I said, have
you heard my bittish action? Click. By the way, he's
ninety nine years old birthdays next month. That's amazing. I mean,
here he is on the Today Show. You know, most
people are just right, most people are not alive, but

(14:53):
those that are alive aren't as sharp as he is.
He's gonna be rocking his birthday m M. So he
still regrets that, and he also regrets turning down an
opportunity to work with Carry Grant that he always wanted
to work with Carry Grant. An opportunity came along, but
he was in Bye Bye Bertie on Broadway at the
time and couldn't do it. So he says he still

(15:17):
has creative ambitions, including he wants to play Ebenezer Scrooge
in a Christmas test someday. Wouldn't that be great? Awesome?
He would be the perfect love it, the perfect Ebenezer Scrooge.
So how about that? Ninety nine and still talking about
the next role that he wants. How many phone calls

(15:38):
do you think he got after the Today Show after
he says he wants to be Ebenezer Cruz this cruise Scrooge.
Hopefully some I would think, so, don't you think there's
somebody that made that phone call? I sure a lot.
Imagine I would tune in just to see him in it.
He still has straw. Now let's get to Jacqueline Carl
with the seven thirty News. Jacqueline.

Speaker 7 (16:00):
The Senate will allow the release of the Jeffrey Epstein
files with out a vote. Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer
successfully passed unanimous consent, which means the bill will automatically
pass once it's delivered to the Senate from the House.
Setate Majority leader John Thune said that's expected to happen today.
President Trump recently said he'll sign the measure once it

(16:20):
passes the Senate. An art that belongs to the late
Gen Hackman is up for auction in Midtown Manhattan this week.

Speaker 8 (16:28):
The Gene Hackman Collection, A Life in Art, is dubbed
a deeply personal collection of several modern and American pieces
of artwork that once belonged to the award winning actor.
Bonhams is hosting the auction, promising the fine art and
cinematic memorabilia offers a rare window into the mind of Hackman,
who they call it profamily, disciplined and instinctive artist. Some

(16:49):
items at auction art materials from Hackman's work in The Replacements,
Runaway Jerry, and Heartbreakers, along with his personal art, notebook
and works.

Speaker 1 (16:58):
Natalie mcgliori wour News Now I love this next story,
not that I would do it.

Speaker 7 (17:05):
According to Gizmoto, we've got smartphones, smart watches, and smart appliances,
but now it's time to add smart ear rings to
the mix. The Lumia two has just been launched It's
a single earring that costs two hundred and fifty dollars,
and it might very well be the smallest wearable smart
device in the world. From its position on your ear lobe,

(17:27):
this little gadget can track your sleep cycle, blood flow,
and even provide a daily readiness score, which I would
not want to know most days if you need to
know how prepared for the day ahead you are. The
makers even claim that because of its position on your head,
it can give you quote, instant insight into how your

(17:47):
blood flow affects your energy, focus and mental clarity.

Speaker 1 (17:51):
Would you wear this?

Speaker 7 (17:52):
And do you want to know these things now considering
when we get up in the morning. No, And I'm
with you one thousand percent. This is how it starts.
This is the sci fi movie. Yea, put these things
on and now we're controlled.

Speaker 1 (18:05):
That's what That's the first thing I thought.

Speaker 7 (18:06):
I'm like, oh my god, so I won't even do
like twenty three and me and all that's it, because
I'm like, what do I need these people having my DNA?

Speaker 1 (18:13):
So neither of you, though have a smart watch?

Speaker 7 (18:15):
I do, I don't, Okay, so don't you get your
like readiness score?

Speaker 1 (18:19):
And things like that.

Speaker 8 (18:19):
I mean, I'm looking at my sleep score last night
was an eighty one, which is pretty good for me.

Speaker 7 (18:24):
Do you have to download a special app for that
or just comes with the.

Speaker 1 (18:26):
Smart I don't know.

Speaker 7 (18:28):
You know, they all have apps you have to like,
it's part of the smart watch, though, I so I
don't know.

Speaker 1 (18:32):
Yeah, I mean it tells me how much I slept,
what my rem was.

Speaker 7 (18:35):
Oh I want to know that. I might want to know,
but I just feel like it's all going to some
server where they're collecting that data on you, And it's like,
you know.

Speaker 1 (18:44):
What are they going to do with this smart watch?

Speaker 4 (18:46):
Is hard?

Speaker 1 (18:46):
How they suck you in and then slowly you have
something on your head and brain have something inserted right
into your brain. Don't you see this something?

Speaker 5 (18:56):
Oh well, oh yes, I'll be dead before they can
do anything with Maine or not.

Speaker 1 (19:01):
If you're like Tip Van Dyke, no, that's true. You're
wondering what the next device is. No way stand up
against it. For the children, okay, for the children, for
the babies, thanks a lot. Jacqueline as a cop hating
communist is about to run New York City. How about
a great former police commissioner like Bill Bratton. How does

(19:22):
he feel about it? No need to wonder. We got
Bill Bratton coming up next. Wor congratulates all of our
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us now Bill Bratton, one of the best NYPD police
commissioners in New York City history. And I'm sure he's

(20:07):
watching everything that's going on with Zor and Mom Donnie
with a whole lot of interest. Commissioner, thanks so much
for joining us today.

Speaker 9 (20:15):
Good to be with you on this rainy morning here
in New York.

Speaker 1 (20:17):
Yeah, I know, stay inside, get an umbrella, especially if
you're driving in right now. You got the word there
right from the commissioner, the weather report commissioner. Let's talk
about the NYPD because there are several reports out there
that there are more retirements and resignations now than there
have been in the past at this time, and they're

(20:38):
more expected next year. Are you hearing that?

Speaker 9 (20:42):
Hearing it? But we'll have to wait and see that.
There's been a lot of reporting on it. The department
has a lodge turnover in any event, and it's thought
that possibly with the new mayor elect in some of
his policies, that officers will want to lead early. I
think we're just going to have to in so many

(21:03):
the issues right now, wait and see. But if they
do have that exodus, it will be difficult to replace them.

Speaker 1 (21:11):
This is Scott Munroe from the Detectives and Dowment Association
for the President. He says morale is down because everyone
is concerned about the policies Mom Donnie wants to put
in place. So if morale is down, you would think
that possibly what would follow are those resignations. Have you

(21:31):
heard morales down now?

Speaker 4 (21:33):
Oh?

Speaker 9 (21:34):
Morale is definitely down and has been for a while
for a variety of reasons. Morale is not one one thing,
it's multiple things, if you will. A lot of officers
have assignments they like, they work with people they like.
They have a good canute to get to work, So
what's going on organizationally at the Mayor's level commissions level

(21:54):
really doesn't impact them. Many other officers, however, and this
is probably the majority of the moment, because of the
extra hours they're being asked to work because of the
apartments so understaff. The department is understaffed by my estermate
by at least three thousand officers, So that causes two problems.
Overworked officers who can't get their vacation days their holidays,

(22:15):
and officers who are making a lot of extra money.
That becomes a further incentive going back to your earlier
point for officers to leave the department. Why Under New
York retirement laws, offices basically their pension is based on
their last several years or salary. So if you're making
twenty thirty forty thousand dollars over time, your pension is

(22:37):
going to be based on that extra income. So are
you going to take the chance staying around with the
new mayor elect who is facing an eight billion dollar
budget deficit if I understand it correctly, who doesn't want
to hire more offices? So that continues the workload pressure,
but it also potentially impacts that over time with a

(22:58):
dry up going forward, could be affected for the next
thirty or forty years in retirement.

Speaker 1 (23:03):
And there's things he said in the past though about
the police, about them being racist, about them being anti queer,
and saying he wants to defund the police. That doesn't
have an effect, that doesn't seep through into the realm.

Speaker 9 (23:16):
That definitely has an effect. It certainly affected a relationship
with the police department. With the mayor I worked for
Bill de Blasio. I personally had a very good working
relationship with him, got a lot done, ironically his first
four years as mayor with the states four years in
the history of the city, but a lot of his
statements during the campaign and some subsequent statements in his

(23:37):
first year so really alienated the police for the whole
time he was mayor, and so the mayor elect coming
in has alienated feelings of a lot of the officers
in the department for those statements. And there's been a
lot of discussion, as you know, around whether Commissioner Tissue
is going to stay, whether he wants her to stay.
The differences between the two of them of phenomenal I've

(24:00):
never seen so many differences between what a commissioner is
attempting to do to reduce the crime rate in disorder
in the city, and she's been doing it successfully in
a mayor who stated policy changes that he'd like to
put into place are in conflict with almost everything she's
doing to reduce crime and disorder. So I'd love to
be the fly on the wall and the two of
them get together see if they can find if they

(24:23):
can find common ground, because there has never been a
time yeah when a potential commissioner in her character case,
she's already is, but to be who might be retained.
The differences are just phenomenal, No, they are.

Speaker 1 (24:37):
We've outlined a lot of them on this show. If
she and she has not committed to staying even though
they had a meeting, and I thought that he was
a little sketchy talking about the meeting and not wanting
to admit that it may not have fallne as well
as he wanted to. If Jessica Tish moves on, the
morale gets worse. Am I right?

Speaker 9 (25:00):
Potentially that she is popular, certainly with I believe macafile
the Union. Certainly I enjoy working with her understand correctly,
you and the media have very high opinions and the
public does also. But the only people that don't appear
to have a high opinion of her many of the
most fervent supporters of the mayor elect who have openly

(25:20):
advocated for her to be old. They think they think
she show the right of Attila the hunt that so
he's got a lot of pressure coming on him from that.
Fun and Jesse again being a fly on the wall
in whatever meetings they have. She's pretty direct, she doesn't
beat around the bush, and it will be an interesting
conversation certainly playing out if they can find common ground.

(25:45):
But boy, there's a lot of differences if.

Speaker 1 (25:48):
She doesn't take the job. I just asked about morale.
I guess the bigger question is will they lose police officers?
And in your gut, would Momdani even replace them if
they left.

Speaker 9 (26:04):
Well, that's the issue. He has syndicated one of his
top priorities for public safety is his creation of this
new entity where he would look to hire thousands of
clinicians or social workers. Where he's going to find them,
God only knows. Because you're looking for highly trained people.
These aren't people that you can bring in and train
in three weeks or four weeks. You're looking for skilled personnel.

(26:27):
The money you'd have to pay them for them to
afford to live in New York City would probably more
than they're currently getting in any event. But the morality
about officers leaving the potential for Jesse if you were
to step away, I would hope that the mayor, in
terms of replacing her, would replace her with somebody who
understands the NYPD. You don't want to hire somebody from Albuquerque,

(26:51):
New Mexico who's had any experience with the department. It's
a complex agency, a complex city, and complex time AI,
immigration issues, crime. This is not a job for the
first time. So good news is that there's apparently several
potential candidates who have been talked with by him and

(27:12):
his campaign. I know the two names have been most
frequently referenced. Both very good people, both former and YPD,
and both who would basically have the best interests of
the department, members of the city foremost in their minds
that they would be off of the position.

Speaker 1 (27:30):
Well, that makes me feel a lot better that you
know who may get the job, and at least who
they might be looking at and that they are all qualified.
Your word means a lot. Bill Bratton, former NYPD Commissioner,
thanks so much for joining us this morning, Commissioner, great
talking with you.

Speaker 9 (27:47):
All the best to you and your listeners.

Speaker 1 (27:49):
Thank you for that. We hope to have you back
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a lot of presidential candidates, a lot of politicians, mostly Republican,
have talked about getting rid of the Department of Education
because they say that the federal government has no place
in education. That's all States rights, and nobody's really done
anything about that until Donald Trump, who is slowly dismantling

(30:24):
it and covering that. Today is Rory O'Neill, a WR
national correspondent. So what is happening with the Department of
Education right now? Rory, Yeah, good morning.

Speaker 10 (30:36):
We got some news from the Department of Education about
how they are essentially farming out their services to other departments,
not really downsizing it because the Department of Education, created
in nineteen seventy nine by Congress, can only be dissolved
by another Act of Congress. And look, we all know
right now nothing's getting passed in Washington, right, so it

(30:58):
doesn't look like there's going to be a formal disintegration
of the department. So instead the Trump administration is reassigning
a lot of its duties. For instance, the Department of
the Interior will take over much of the work for
the Office of Indian Education, the Department of State taking
over international education, foreign language studies programming, that kind of thing.

(31:20):
So essentially a lot of the responsibilities now in DOE
are being put out to other departments across the federal government.

Speaker 9 (31:29):
Right.

Speaker 1 (31:29):
But so many people have run on getting rid of
the Department of Education, And if it was never going
to be done in the first place, why go through
all of this when it can just be undone as
soon as another president comes in.

Speaker 10 (31:45):
Well, I guess they want to try to make the
department as ineffective as possible, wind it down, get all
of its operations out to other agencies. So essentially they
can go to Congress and say, look, there's nothing here anymore,
this department has no responsibilities.

Speaker 1 (32:00):
Let's just shut it down.

Speaker 10 (32:01):
And you know, Congress may eventually zero out the department
but still have it established. And again, if the Democrats
win back control of the House and Senate, they may
have a different agenda.

Speaker 1 (32:12):
Right, that's really interesting. I never heard that before. So
it's really death by attrition that when you make it
so that, yeah, that they are so ineffective that they
or they have no power, that why not just get
rid of it. I'm not sure that's going to work.

Speaker 10 (32:26):
Rory the other well, and the other issue is, well,
if all you're doing is you know, putting them in
a different office, then what are we saving here?

Speaker 9 (32:33):
Right?

Speaker 10 (32:33):
If you're maintaining what they do and just doing it
in different offices. Does that really get us where we
want to be? To your introduction saying that the Department
of Education or Education is the purview of local government,
state and local governments, not Uncle Sam.

Speaker 1 (32:49):
Right. It has always been seen as a way of
the federal government using money to force their will on
all of the local school districts around the country, and
that that is the way it has worked out over
the years. They'll have edicts on how they're supposed to
take care, what they can do in the classrooms, and

(33:09):
if they don't do it, that these local school districts
they're going to hold withhold money. This does nothing to
stop that, right.

Speaker 10 (33:17):
Well, right, So this doesn't really change the operations at
this point or the rules that are in place, especially
when it comes to dealing with students with disabilities and
the funding stream that can be available there. A lot
of this may move under Health and Human Services when
it comes to the childcare access Means, Parents in school
program things like that. That that the programs are still

(33:38):
there because look, a lot of senators and members of
Congress fight hard for these funding streams to go to
their local communities. Right, They're all there with a golden
shovel and a pair of over sized for this stuff.
And that's you know, that's how they consider it, you know,
serving their constituencies.

Speaker 1 (33:57):
Yeah, it seems like it always comes down to money.
But you're right. I mean they should just put this
up for a vote and say they want to dismantle
it and just take whatever vote it is. If it's
not going to happen, it's not going to happen. At
least he tried. But this, I agree with you. You
didn't use this word. I'm going to use it. This
all just seems silly and ineffective. Rory O'Neil wr National Correspondent.

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It's going to be back tomorrow morning at seven fifty.
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