November 13, 2025 • 37 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Not only greatness, but dominance. Hugh, that's a pretty good
statistic as a reflection of vote. Mike McDonald and Clint
Kubiak are doing.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Yeah, Well, there's a few blowouts there, you know, obviously
the Saints, the Commanders this past Sunday, and and my
question would be, okay, how much does that correlate there?
There's there's I would assume a pretty strong correlation to winning, right.
I mean, you just mentioned it the Seven Patriots, but
you know it's going to be another cut of meat
on Sunday. And I just feel like the more you
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look at these teams, the more they mirror themselves one another.
And I think it's a a big you know what
I feel like, Mark, It feels like you know in
college when you when when at the syllabus at the
beginning of class, they say, all right, uh, the midterm
is going to be you know, twenty five percent of
your great and he said, okay, all right, well you
come up on the midterm, you say, all right, this
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is a this is a pretty big test. And it
doesn't mean you can't ace the class if you don't
ace the midterm. But you know, I think for the
principles of the franchises. Mike McDonald versus Sean McVay. Mike
McDonald was brought in to battle Sean McVay and Kyle
Shanahan on a on a on a chestnut checkers level.
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Let's see how that works. John Schneider h versus Less
need Less need has been around since twenty twelve. Some
of the roster moves. I mean, I mean, you know
when when when John Snider wanted to take Byron Murphy, well,
you know, uh, less need Like two picks later he
turned around and and he took Jared Verse right, and
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so so uh you know, hey Snyder could have taken
him and and so uh and then and then finally,
you know, for Sam Donald, what has he been hearing
about all off season last year?
Speaker 3 (01:53):
Yeah, you were great, but what's the butt? The butt?
Speaker 2 (01:58):
It was the game against the Line And I've watched
those tapes, both of those tapes, the Lions and then
the playoff game against the Rams. I think those are
two totally different games when you watch on tape. In
my opinion, when you watch the Lion game, you had
like that. I put that on Sam Darnold, like he missed,
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he missed down in the red zone in the low
red zone badly, probably missed four touchdowns. So he just
wasn't as sharp in the Lions game the following week.
In that playoff game, that was a Rams tsunami of
the defense. I don't care who's quarterbacking the Vikings on
that day. Look, I can prove it right now. How
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about Pat Mahomes? You say, what about Pat Mahomes. I've
seen two of the worst games I've ever seen in
Super Bowls with Pat Mahomes against the Buccaneers and then
last year against Philadelphia he was at least statistically and
performance wise in the offense, he was awful. So you
can look at a game and you could say, look,
the quarterback looks bad, but so does everybody else. And
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I don't understand why Chris Shula is not being discussed more.
He is the defensive coordinator for the Los Angeles Rams
and obviously has a famous name. His grantfather is Don.
He's the son of Dave Shulos, the head coach of
the Bengals. He's an uncle of Mike shulo Is, the
head coach of Alabama. The guy obviously grew up around
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football in every respect and he was the defensive coordinator
starting in twenty twenty four. So mid season last year,
the Seahawks lost at home. That was primarily the Gino
Smith to interceptions in the red zone, including one hundred
and five to nine yard return, So that was the
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Gino Smith pratfall game. But since then, I've studied that,
studying the Rams against the Vikings, and then in a
couple I'm gonna do a presentation about Daniel Jones for
the thirty third team. I studied the Colts this year,
who have the number one offense, and about a month
ago they played at the Rams. Watch the last two
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times I've really studied the Rams. Dude, they are so connected.
They are running around, they play with aggression, they fly
to the football. I mean, you know, they're second in
points against, their second in the league in opponent third
down conversions meaning second best opponent red zone efficiency, their
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second best yards after catch per reception. Well the Seahawks
are you have a damn good defense, right, They're ranked
twenty first, and that's stat The Rams are ranked first.
I mean they've swarm and they tackle your ass. So
I just think that again, maybe we can talk about
the similarities, but I got I'm just so jacked about
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this game. It is a mid term that give me
my popcorn now, I just I just can't wait.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Oh, Hugh, this, I mean, listen, does it always work
out where you know, you know, a matchup going into
it ends up being what we all wanted to be. No,
but my and I brought this up yesterday, Hugh, I
want to get your thoughts on this. I think that
what we saw on Monday night it was a rock fight. Yeah,
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two tough defenses going up against each other, between the
Eagles and Packers, and yeah, offense was optional. I think
if Mike McDonald can impose his will on Sean mcvay's
offense and turn this into that type of game, this
favors the Hawks.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Your thoughts, Yeah, Look, I think that the the Rams
and the Seahawks are so similar offensively, and so I
think that they both, you know, they both have just
kind of pedestrian run games. Look, I've looked at all
the stats, watched the tape, you know, so I think
they're they're just you know, not even average on the
running game. But but you know, philosophically in the passing game,
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for example, the Seahawks in terms of shotgun percentage. They're
thirty first, which means they're under center the second most.
The Rams are under center the most. Average depth of target,
the Seahawks are number one, nine point one yards air
yards per tempt, so they're pushing the ball down the field.
The Rams are number two eight point nine. They so
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you've got veteran quarterbacks that are playing under center that
are they can put their back to the defense, turn around,
and then they're pushing the ball down the field. You know,
I said average depth of target the Rams are first.
How about the percentage of the time when the quarterback
throws to the sticks? The fifty two percent time? Matthew
Stafford's number one in the NFL. So if you if
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you don't like check down Charlie's, which I assume a
hold on, hold on, you know what talking about you
Geno Smith?
Speaker 3 (06:55):
You know Smith's not there anymore.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
If you've always in one of those that that I
was gonna say, if you love check down Charlie's, but
just nobody.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
Like this is your game.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
You've got two quarterbacks that are going to push the
damn ball down the field, and so so I you know,
I think the Rams have a better offensive line. I
think that they're you know, with Pooka Nikouas. You know,
maybe he's just fractionally behind J s N this year,
but he's he's a dude. And and I think I
don't now, we got to check on Davante Adams health
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and all.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
But I think that they've got oh, he's you know,
he'll be playing, he'll be playing.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
So and and so You've got a quarterback who's just
white hot. So so yeah, look, I don't think they're
if you're just going to try and get me to say, hey, philosophically,
you know, the Rams and the Seahawks are are vastly
different offensively, I just don't see it.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
So I think that they're.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Equally capable of of trying to play in a shootout
if their defense is giving up points. I think they're
kind of equally feeble in their run game. So uh,
you know, we'll see. You know, you know, I probably
would think that the under is the bet, right, but
but who knows.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
H Yeah, it could be.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
I mean, I you know what, you'll have to wait
for picking the locks on Friday night with me.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
And Lee Sterling for that. I don't do that often,
so right, No.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
I know you don't, but I'm just saying that you'll
have to wait for my pick on that. You'll have
to wait for that. Hey, hey, listen, you bring up
an interesting point. Hugh Millen obviously need know the introduction
here on Mjay in the midday. Mike McDonald was brought
in here to be the antidote to Sean McVay, and
this Seattle Seahawks team is now you're starting to see
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the vision of John Schneider and Mike McDonald together. Okay,
they had their grace period, they had their honeymoon period there.
You know, their first season together ended up winning ten
even though you really only know it was nine. But
like in terms of the Rams laying down the final
regular season game last year, but Mike McDonald said, Okay,
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we're gonna do this. I need my guy. Bye, Bye,
Ryan Grubb, Hello, Clint Kubiak. And we're seeing the residual
effects of that. And that's why I believe, Hugh. Next
to the Colts and their strength of victory is the
worst amongst any playoff team out there right now. Next
to the Bears, they have a strength of victory that's like,
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I think it's about thirty five percent the Colts do.
But you're talking in terms of points per game, points
differential second in the NFL, Seattle plus one oh three,
third in the NFL, the Rams plus ninety eight.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
So these teams, you, they are mirror images of each other.
I mean they are literally looking at now.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Granted, my thing is this, you what do we gotta
do to stop a thirty seven and soon to be
thirty eight year old who's now playing the best football
of his Hall of Fame career right now in Matthew Stafford,
who's I can't give you, I can't throw We don't
have enough time for me to throw out the superlatives
and the stats on the heater he's been on, what
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do you have to do? If you're Mike McDonald, you're
not gonna I mean, you're not shutting these guys out,
But what do you have to do to contain them?
And I think the magic number, Hugh, is twenty one.
If you hold the Rams to under twenty one points,
you win the game. If they get above that number,
then it's a it's a coin flip.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
Okay, So what do they have to do?
Speaker 2 (10:30):
Yeah, you know, one of my themes of our discussion
here today is how similar they are among the many aspects.
I will say this, how about the blitz rate. A
blitz is defined in the NFL commonly as five or
more rushers. Okay, so Seattle at eighteen point three percent,
they rank twenty ninth, twenty ninth out of thirty two
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teams in terms of their blitz rate. That the Rams
are eighteen point five percent, they're twenty seven, So they're
they're very similar in that regard. It also plays with
a dB rushing. So here's Seattle in the Rams are are?
They are very high in four man rush only they
don't blitz. But the percentage of times that a dB
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is rushing on a play, the Seahawks at five point
nine or seventh and the Rams at five point seven
or eighth, so both are in So what does that mean?
He said, Wait a minute, I thought you just told
me that they they're at the very bottom of blitzing.
If a dB is rushing, that's a blitz. What what
that means is that it's what's called sim pressures defensive
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linemen for the Seahawks, and the Rams are dropping off
and you're trying to fool the quarterback. Got me that's
the part of this thing. And now here's a difference
in that regard that favors the Seahawks on percentage of
plays with five plus rushers. So when the Seahawks blitz,
the percentage of plays that they produce a negative EPA
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expected points average. That's a new you know. Yeah, google
it if you need that.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
And by the way, Hugh, I listen to you all
the time. You were on the morning show the other day.
You talked about Seattle's number one and EPA and special teams.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
Am I right, Well, that's going to be another thing
we're gonna get. Let's so let's go off on that
exit ramp for a second and then get back on
the highway. Okay, Don James told me years ago when
I was twenty that special teams is a third of football.
I'm never going to disagree with the dogfather, Dick Barrett.
I did twenty plus years of Husky Hawks and he's
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that kicking game, the kicking game. Mark write this down
special teams expected points. Now you say what is expected points?
As I said, google it. It's a matrix that every
play has an expected points I've run the correlation statistics
on winning it comes out very high. So this is
a new Gucci stat and it's relevant. Got me Seattle
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Seahawks four point zero four EPA in special teams number
one in the NFL, Los Angeles Rams negative three point
six to two EPA on special teams, thirty second in
the NFL. Let me repeat that, Seattle number one in
the NFL and special teams, Los ange Ram number thirty
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two DFL on special teams. So let's have one or
more plays in that kicking game, Coach Baird, that really
tilt this what could be a very close game in
other respects. Okay, so you brought that out. Okay, let
me get back on the highway on this on where
I was going because I said negative EPA. The times
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when you rushers the Rams do they create havoc? They
create a negative EPA. They're twenty third in in the NFL.
So not really the Seahawks when they rush and they
have they create a negative EPA sixty three and a
half percent time. That's second best in the NFL, and
prior to last week it was first best. They were
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number one in the NFL in EPA when they bring
five or more rusher. So you say, well, hang on,
Matthew Stafford. You know he's a veteran quarterback. He's not
gonna get fooled by these things, those numbers that I
just am giving you, if you pause and think about it,
what you're talking about is Mike McDonald giving complex simulated pressures,
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not man to man blitzes where if you catch a
shallow cross you can run seventy yards down the field
if you make one guy miss. These are generally zoned
behind it, and it's complicated for the quarterback. He said, well,
you're not going to fool Matthew Stafford. Are you sure?
When you said that about Aaron Rodgers, do you remember
Leonard Williams catching a doing you know, pop and drop
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on a cover zero pop and drop where he gets
back into the slant lane and picks off Aaron Rodgers
and takes it ninety seven yards of the house. That
can happen. That can happen. That's against Aaron Rodgers. So
you can do it to Matthew Stafford. And particularly what
I say about Matthew Stafford and is under center percentage,
he's number one under center. I would have it would
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have been the Lions, because every year there Jared goff
is always number one, but Stafford's number one under center,
so he's going to turn his back to the defense
on those play action passes. Now, does Mike McDonald have
something that that screws up the communication of the Rams
and you get a free runner? What did I say?
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Negative EPA on five or more when they blitz. The
Seahawks have been the best, so so, uh, you know,
these are kind of the nuances that I'm looking at.
I just oh, man, I can't even contain myself. I'm
my excitement.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
By the way, the Rams number one in terms of
uh no, excuse me, number three. In terms of hits
on the quarterback, the Seahawks are fourth. Okay, this is
a Seahawk pass rush, so they're essentially the same. Rams
seven point one per game Seahawks seven point zero. But
as far as hurries, the Seahawks are number one in
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the NFL at producing quarterback hurries at eighteen point two.
The Rams are are thirteen point three. The Seahawks have
five more per game. That's substantial, So they're essentially the
same on hits, but they are not the same on hurries.
The Seahawks have a lot more hurries.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
And By the way, everything that you're saying is that. Now,
let me ask you this, how much is do you
put on this? You Rams have the second best defense
in the league in terms of points per game allowed,
just zero point three percentage behind Houston, and they've given
up two less points per game than the Hawks. Hawks
are giving up nineteen point one points per game? Do
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you put a lot into that? Or you just think that, hey,
this is about like, look at what they always say
when boxing was good. It's about fights are about styles
and and that's what makes a fight a style, you know,
that's what makes the fight.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
So do you think that you don't glean too much that?
Speaker 1 (16:54):
All right, they're giving up two more points per game,
big freaking deal, doesn't matter, right, you know, I'd.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Have to go I can look. I mean, these are
the vagaries of statistics that you know. For example, uh,
what was the score last week? Forty four to twenty two?
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Yeah, yeah right.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
First of all, the Seahawks d that's true, fourteen points, Okay,
so they're not getting credit for that, no, you know,
and and show Seattle's offense is going to you know,
get the boost they you know, they the Seals offense
is thirty points is a lot, right, but it's not
forty four. This defense produced two touchdowns and then and
then the turnovers. The drives were I don't have in
front of me. I know one was a three yard touchdown.
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One was I believe it was a nineteen yard touchdown
after a turnover. They you know, they got to stop
on a twenty four yard you know, after a turnover
twenty four yard field they produced, you know, they they
had a turnover on downs. I might have flipped those
the nineteen and the twenty four. So so really the
only drive from last Sunday that was any consequence. Yeah,
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there was about a eighty something eighty four yard drive,
but that's one touchdown. So here here the Seahawks gets
saddled with twenty two points that goes into their stats
when in reality, you know, it felt like more like
seven or ten. So you know, so look, the Rams
are second in points against the Seahawks are fifth. They're
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both damn good defenses. The stats tell you that, The
tape tells you that. As I said, Chris Sula, he
does a hell of a job. And when I watched
that tape against the Vikings, it was Sam Donald as
the quarterback in that playoff game, I felt like there
was fourteen guys on the field, Like I kept looking
for the flag, like there's no way there's only eleven
guys on the field because they and you say, well, yeah,
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Justin Jefferson. You know, there's so many misnomers are I
think myths about. You know what was Sam donal? First
of all, myth number one was that Sam Donald had
a great line and Gino Smith didn't. That is just
pure fiction. Look at all the injuries that the Vikings
were facing, and when you watching that playoff game, every
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single play, it's it's like, you know, uh, as I said,
a tsunami and they're playing two man against and rolling
coverages and bracketing on Justin Jefferson. And I'll say it,
Justin Jefferson wasn't open. You know, if you play a
man underneath with the safety on either half of the field,
the man underneath can can sit and he can be
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in a trail in all short and intermediate routes, he
can say I'm undercutting that because he's got a safety
over the top. So so there was just I don't
care who was the quarterback. Uh, you can you could
put uh, Mahomes back there. You could put Tom Brady
back there. You could uh, you could put Dan Marino,
you could you know, you could resurrect autogram. I don't care,
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uh that nobody was gonna play well against the Rams
in that playoff game. And yet here we're gonna say
Sam Darnold, you know, oh he was trash at the
end of the year last year. I'll dance with the
ad on on the Lion game, not on the Ram game.
And and so what's the what's the inverse of that argument?
What's what's the correlation of that argument? Chris Shula and
and those that Ram defense some dudes, now, yeah, verse
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frit Fisk Kitchens. I mean they play together, you know,
you know, and and uh uh you know they play
they there's a sense of urgency. And I think the
Steelers had this against Daniel Jones as well. There's sometimes
you know, I want you to paint a picture of
a sense of urgency. You know, when when a when
an offense gets the ball and the offense has the
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lead laid in the game and the defense simply has
to get a stop right now, like they can't even
allow one first down, you know, the urgency you see
with the defense there. You know, the defense is down
by doesn't matter whether it's two or four points or whatever.
But there's like a you know, two minutes to go
in the game and they and they simply cannot give
up a first down. And and they play aggressive. They
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don't worry about you know, uh overreacting to stuff that
you know, they grab and they squat, uh you know,
you know, they just there's a sense of urgency right now.
And that's how the Rams when I see them go there,
they they have that like they don't care about double moves,
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they don't care about counter you know, bootlegs and misdirection stuff.
They're just like, hey, well we'll do our best to
react after we see it. But the first thing you
show us, we are freaking coming after it, you know.
And so there's an aggression and let's see if Clint
Kubiak can make the Rams pay for it. But there's
there's something cool about what you see. If you like
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defensive football, the Rams are going to show it to you,
as do the Seahawks.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
I can't wait. It's going to be fun on Sunday.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
You are cordially, is there a fifty to fifty chance
you come out to Muckleshoe Casino Resort for my watch
party at Galaxy fifty to fifty.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
I'm sorry, did you say fifteen percent? No, fifty to
fifty fifteen?
Speaker 1 (21:54):
Yeah, I I could see fifty. Yes, human will be there.
All right, listen, man, we always appreciate the breakdown. Nobody
doesn't like you, Hugh, and uh, we'll see what happens.
But this game is I mean, this is it, man,
this and this if the Hawks and not like if
they don't win the season like it is over.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
But I mean, you win this game right now, you are.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
You are on the inside track on this division and
possibly getting a bye in the one seed in the NFC.
So so much at Steak on Sunday.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
You don't have to sweep the sweep the Rams, but
you got to get a split.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
You gotta get at least a splitt the first half
of the split this Sunday.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
I would love it, all right, all right, Humeillan, we
always rock and roll. We'll talk to you next week. Humellan,
all right, what do you say? Text of the Day
four nine four five one on the unrestricted text line.
Right here, I'm Jay in the midday, Christopher Kidd, what
do you say? Texts of the day for nine four
five one? All right, lot of people texting in today.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
Let's see here. What do we got? Lida saw uh.
Speaker 4 (23:04):
MJ.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
I don't think you're right, bro, don't remember do don't
remember the shootout we got into in Tampa. I think
we can win multiple ways yet No. I think they
can too. But I would rather not get into becoming
a track meet. That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
Mark.
Speaker 4 (23:23):
I'm so ready to eat crow on my October twenty
first rant, and no scenario. Are the Mariners, who already
complained about spending the money on contract for the remainder
of the season, would ever spend the twenty million to
twenty five million per year. It's gonna have to keep
him here. Josh Neller darting, Josh, Yeah, Naylor, Well, it
sounds as though the M's and Naylor's camp are finalizing
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a four year, eighty eight million dollar contract. I've never
been more happy to be dead wrong.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
He's saying that they're finalizing a deal.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
It sounds as if that could be happening, all.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
Right, I you know, obviously you gotta see that it's
from some credible sources. I mean, not that, not that
the text line is, you know, not credible, but uh,
you know, we just want to let's just make sure,
let's just you know, it could be happening. But what
if the Mets come in and and Uncle Steve Cohen
wants to say, now you know, I think I'm just
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gonna go ahead and give him a blank check.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
So there's that. Padres also have a glaring need at
first base. They could go there.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
I mentioned the Mets, Pete A Lonzo's not going to
be there more than likely, and then Josh Naylor could be.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
So there's that. So it is what it is.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
Uh. Liam Gallagher calls grunge rubbish and he used to
get into with fights with the guys backstage. Okay, fair enough.
I love grunge music too, but I can like both.
It's it's okay. But yeah, those guys listen, man, I
love them, but I know they're they're a holes. I
think their own mom would would admit that they're her sons.
Liam and Noel Gallagher are a holes. That's what they are.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
Imagine ESPN, CBS or Fox having Hu Millin give him
a blank check and say fill it in and be
the color commentator and saying breakdown on the games.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
Oh, would be unbelievable, unbelievable, that would be amazing. I
don't know what this means, but the guy put the
Rosy o'donnald reference, tipped your hand and he put I'm out. Oh, well, hey, Chad,
if you have any issues with me, you know, basically
referencing Rosy O'Donnell and saying a game is ugly, then
Chad Karen, Chad Alert, Chad Alert, Chat alert, Bye bye,
(25:37):
bye bye sweetheart, see you later, Chad.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
Jesus. Unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
Yeah, I imagine imagine being triggered over me making an
ugly reference towards Rosi O'Donnell. Like, people, seriously, you really
need to wake up and like get a life. You.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
If you are triggered by that, you need help. You
need help. Sorry, bro, you need help.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
And I probably shouldn't even have read that on the air,
but it's like, come on, man, I mean, you give
a bad name to great people. And thankfully the majority
of the audience are not chads like you.
Speaker 5 (26:16):
H MJ.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Miami has a pretty low chance to make the ACC
Championship game, so they'll have to be an at large
to make the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
Not a great chance. They're either.
Speaker 5 (26:25):
Well, you know, according to guys like Rhys Davis and
Greg McIlroy, who get paid a lot of money to
discuss this every week, they think all the U's gotta
do is win out and we are in like Flynn.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
So I'm just gonna worry. Just don't.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
Here's my thing. Just no more let downs and f ups,
no more the rest of the way. You gotta take
care of business and just let Darwinism and things take
over and let the natural course of college football craziness
and chaos just ensue.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
Last one from me. Hawks need to butz Stafford almost
every play, make him fill his age.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
Yeah, yeah, uh, that would be great. That would be all.
I don't know every play because you do every play.
You don't think Matthew Stafford's gonna pick that e They're
gonna kill you. I mean, come on, after like three plays,
he's all.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
They're blitzing every down like this is this is the raal,
Like come on, these guys are unbelievable. MJ finally had
the chance to try Nolita from your recommendation months ago.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
Was amazing.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
Yes, it is amazing and I haven't been there in
so long, and I've got to get back there as
soon as possible.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
I just want to put it out there. You do
a great job every day.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
Also in twenty fourteen, Hugh said Russell Wilson's game was
flawed and he took so much crap for it.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
Look who's right now? Good work you?
Speaker 1 (27:51):
Yeah, he nailed it. And he also, oh, he's nailed
a lot of stuff, man, a lot of things that
he ended up being right on. Uh. I saw Oasis
open up for the who in Seattle a few years back.
Didn't have a strong feeling about them one way or
the other, and they did fine. But the takeaway was,
dude was so on character. And when he started yelling
at us and swearing at us and telling us we'd
(28:13):
done a crappy job raising our children, he got a
little bit of booze.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
But then we got over it. There you go.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
It's all about the music, man, It's all about the
music and somebody else. Just as the Oasis talk ish
about grunge, that's why agree about deep fried Turkey. But
your taste in music leaves a lot to be desired.
Why are we still talking about the sonics, you know what,
Like I mean, we can always wish wishful thinking. Not
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to mention the Rams have plastic letters on their uniforms.
Ugly a haf that's right.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
I gotta admit.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
Colin Coward had a great burn when these RAMS uniforms
came out. He said they look like NFL Europe practice jerseys,
and I saw something to that extent.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
Those RAMS jerseys look so cheap, and like, oh, you're
so right.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
Oh, I just go back to the old school ones
from the Eric Dickerson days, you know, appreciate everybody who
texted in. Someone else just said if we lose on Sunday,
it'll be because of Jared Verse.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
Period. Yeah, he's he's the man. He is the man.
All Right, that's the way you say. Text of the day.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
We'll talk to Ian Fernes crosstalk coming up next. All right,
we forgot one and I was gonna bring this up,
so I'll let the text line. Tim props to Ian
Ferness first time I heard him doing hockey play by
play on Kong.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
Nicely done. Tim.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
I brought it up at the beginning of the show,
and I brought up with Mike Benton, like dude, you
were awesome last night. Bro. You At first I got
a little worried because I didn't see you when the
game started.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
I said he was in today, he should be there,
Like oh, people are like, hey, good, he's not there,
pipers and there instead. Good job.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
Yeah, but then it was like, oh, oh you're on
the call. Yeah you did a great job, man, amazing,
Like it was just wonderful to hear you do in
your element.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
I appreciate that was fun. Yeah, I mean I wish
the game would have been a better outcome, but it
was fun game.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
Though it was close. Mat Murray was great. Mat Murray
was great. Matt Matt Murray's played really well for them. Yeah,
he was good. He's got a score, score goal. That's
that's it.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
That's it.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
They have the fun.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
They have the most ot ls in the league with
Colorado right now, which sat stat I mean, you know,
getting better to get a point than not, that's it.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
But that's a team you got to beat. Last night.
They're sick.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
They had illness going through their locker room. Boot Jenner
and one of their players left in the middle of
the game. They're taking like everyone took warm ups. See
who could you know, who wasn't throwing up afterwards? I mean,
and they played the second half of a back to back,
like you got to win that game. But they just
got some guys that cannot score right now, and uh,
you know, hopefully at some point when they do, it'll
open up the floodgates. But it's a little it's it's tough.
But hey, you year ago this team would be ten
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points out of.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
A playoff spot. Exactly.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
I'll give Alan Lambert a lot of credit there. So
he's done a really good job so far. They seem
to have bought in yes to everything I now. I
also want to just kind of let you know, sorry
for the uh barrage of college football playoff propaganda last
night while you were you know, well's right, you're texting
me with that stuff. And Jess was texting about show
(31:25):
stuff and Southern Lights or Northern Lights, and I'm like,
I'm worried about, you know, getting through the second period here.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
So yeah, and we moved on. Greg and Reese Davis says,
we went out. Well, I just I gave up last week.
I gave up. We're eighteen. I thought was over.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
Yeah, the path is there, there's a path there they
You know, Pittsburgh's massive this week, I mean must win. Well,
that's a must win. You're not getting in with three. Oh,
I'm sorry, that's Notre Dame. That's Notre Dame. Yeah, you guys,
you guys have what left. We have that pit at
the end of the year. Okay, I mean that's win.
So it would be nice to get an assist from
pitt this weekend. Bitwsburgh could really play a massive spoiler
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role out there, can't. They Their next three games Notre Dame,
Georgia Tech Miami. That's the final three games of that season.
You talk about getting backloaded.
Speaker 3 (32:15):
Wow, yeah, wow?
Speaker 1 (32:18):
And Notre Dame has Stanford and some slappy between Stanford
and Okay, the last I mean this week's they're only last.
That's that's their only real test on the way to
ten and two. So if they beat Pittsburgh, they're going
to be in. I still think head to head should matter.
Speaker 5 (32:32):
I with you.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
I don't get clad said it to everybody said, then
why play the games?
Speaker 1 (32:36):
Yeah right, it's I also will say I love the
twelve team playoff, not just because of more playoff games,
but I love the twelve team playoff just because of this.
It's you know, that's why I like It's like I
love college basketball from mid January on, OK, we debate
about who's in and yeah, you know, sixty four is
the perfect number. They're gonna they're gonna screw that sixty
(32:57):
eight right now technically, yeah, but yeah it's really sixty. Yeah,
they're gonna screw that up. We can do four more
in college football. Sixteen, Yeah, I think sixteen would be
a perfect now. So yeah, but here's a thing. This
is the interesting part of it. Yes, sixteen would be
a little bit nice and neat. No buys, Right, you
just kind of go, they won't do that because they
want they the SEC, specifically in the Big ten. They
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want their big guys to get a bye. Yep, that's
what they're doing. Nine games in the SEC from now
on start next year, right, they're trying. Yeah, yeah, they
want to get a bye. And but I love it
because you know, we got Mandela on today one twenty.
I'm gonna ask him about it. He wrote about, imagine
if we were still in a fourteen playoff this year
would be an absolute disaster.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
Oh my god, can you imagine? And here's the thing
about it ian. I mean, they'll go back.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
My early memories of college football was the late eighties
Canes and early nineties Canes teams. It's like, God, imagine
then if we had a ten team play or an anything,
then that we're if you didn't, you know, it's like God.
I mean all those years that I mean Florida State
finished in like the top three for like eighteen straight years.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
Imagine if there was a playoff back then. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
Well and I mean guys here would screaming yel about
you know, the the Huskies and and BYU and you
know the way by you by b YU athletic program
right now is there. They're a monster. They got all
the money in the world mark I know. I mean
they they got church money.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
That's whatever.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
Like when you because they're basically like they like Scientology.
I used to live in next to not in the
town over from where the Church of Scientology's headquarters are
in Clearwater, Florida. Ye, when you got that money, you
are different levels. By the way, everything nothing is uh
nothing gets taxed. Religion, Well, yeah that's right. Scientology, in
(34:45):
a federal court case, beat the government. We we went
there after God. Whenever the Seahawks played Tampa Bay five
six years ago. Six years ago, we had a later
flight went out of Tampa, so we drove and drove
out to Cause to the beach and yeah, I just
have lunch of the beach and I'm not understanding or
realizing that that was the home of scientology. Oh yeah, wow,
(35:07):
what a weird place. Oh yeah, what a weird Let
me let me, let me just putch It makes Utah
look very noom. Hey, I'm gonna tell you right now,
if you ever get lost in downtown clear whider this
is anybody, don't ever wander into the Fort Harrison Hotel
because if you do, they will reprogram you. You will
never get out there. You will never talk to your
family place. They will They will take all of your possessions.
(35:30):
You will never have anything to do with anybody you
ever knew in your entire life. They will reprogram you.
That's a weird place.
Speaker 5 (35:36):
It is.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
I've watched it.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
I watched that lea remedy show, you know, a couple
of years ago, and my wife friend watched this, like,
holy cow, I've we've been there. I looked like Buddy
Shramack and I are photoge folks, Fox her team. We
went there, we drove through there, saw that big the
big red building and all that the whole and it's like,
that is a.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
Weird they bottom got there.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
The ultimately the ultimate documentary when we talked about by U,
the Ultimate documentary calls going Clear about scientology. That's the
name of the documentary on HBO HBO Max Going Clear.
It will open your eyes to every eight is scary.
What do you got today, so mad Dandel.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
Yeah, madel We're gonna talk college football. I mean, it's
just a great time of the year.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
I know, you know here you guys are bummed out
if you're a Husky fan, I get that, but hey,
you know what, it's still fun time of the year.
We'll talk to him about all like who hey, oh
get coaching at occupancy or vacancies too too. There's two
teams in the Big ten that are on the outside
looking in, but could be in a good spot if
they went out.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
USC YEP in Michigan.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
Well, and I think I'm curious if USC if Oregon
loses another game, what.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
If they lose to USC or Washington. Well, they lose
to Washington, they're done.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
I think I think ten and two losing to Washington,
they still have a chance to get in. I'll ask
him ab so we'll got that and then Mike Homemeran
at two o'clock.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
Nice.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
I hope, hope to get we hopefully they get coached
on ones before he gets inducted into the Hall of Fame,
which will probably be an auguinst.
Speaker 3 (36:58):
We want to get him on once I try.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
All right, Dick Ian Fornest, great job on the play
by play last night, I mean really outstanding. Another doc
Emrick here in studio. Stay tuned for the Mayor coming
up next.
Not only greatness, but dominance. Hugh, that's a pretty good
statistic as a reflection of vote. Mike McDonald and Clint
Kubiak are doing.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Yeah, Well, there's a few blowouts there, you know, obviously
the Saints, the Commanders this past Sunday, and and my
question would be, okay, how much does that correlate there?
There's there's I would assume a pretty strong correlation to winning, right.
I mean, you just mentioned it the Seven Patriots, but
you know it's going to be another cut of meat
on Sunday. And I just feel like the more you
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look at these teams, the more they mirror themselves one another.
And I think it's a a big you know what
I feel like, Mark, It feels like you know in
college when you when when at the syllabus at the
beginning of class, they say, all right, uh, the midterm
is going to be you know, twenty five percent of
your great and he said, okay, all right, well you
come up on the midterm, you say, all right, this
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is a this is a pretty big test. And it
doesn't mean you can't ace the class if you don't
ace the midterm. But you know, I think for the
principles of the franchises. Mike McDonald versus Sean McVay. Mike
McDonald was brought in to battle Sean McVay and Kyle
Shanahan on a on a on a chestnut checkers level.
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Let's see how that works. John Schneider h versus Less
need Less need has been around since twenty twelve. Some
of the roster moves. I mean, I mean, you know
when when when John Snider wanted to take Byron Murphy, well,
you know, uh, less need Like two picks later he
turned around and and he took Jared Verse right, and
(01:41):
so so uh you know, hey Snyder could have taken
him and and so uh and then and then finally,
you know, for Sam Donald, what has he been hearing
about all off season last year?
Speaker 3 (01:53):
Yeah, you were great, but what's the butt? The butt?
Speaker 2 (01:58):
It was the game against the Line And I've watched
those tapes, both of those tapes, the Lions and then
the playoff game against the Rams. I think those are
two totally different games when you watch on tape. In
my opinion, when you watch the Lion game, you had
like that. I put that on Sam Darnold, like he missed,
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he missed down in the red zone in the low
red zone badly, probably missed four touchdowns. So he just
wasn't as sharp in the Lions game the following week.
In that playoff game, that was a Rams tsunami of
the defense. I don't care who's quarterbacking the Vikings on
that day. Look, I can prove it right now. How
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about Pat Mahomes? You say, what about Pat Mahomes. I've
seen two of the worst games I've ever seen in
Super Bowls with Pat Mahomes against the Buccaneers and then
last year against Philadelphia he was at least statistically and
performance wise in the offense, he was awful. So you
can look at a game and you could say, look,
the quarterback looks bad, but so does everybody else. And
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I don't understand why Chris Shula is not being discussed more.
He is the defensive coordinator for the Los Angeles Rams
and obviously has a famous name. His grantfather is Don.
He's the son of Dave Shulos, the head coach of
the Bengals. He's an uncle of Mike shulo Is, the
head coach of Alabama. The guy obviously grew up around
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football in every respect and he was the defensive coordinator
starting in twenty twenty four. So mid season last year,
the Seahawks lost at home. That was primarily the Gino
Smith to interceptions in the red zone, including one hundred
and five to nine yard return, So that was the
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Gino Smith pratfall game. But since then, I've studied that,
studying the Rams against the Vikings, and then in a
couple I'm gonna do a presentation about Daniel Jones for
the thirty third team. I studied the Colts this year,
who have the number one offense, and about a month
ago they played at the Rams. Watch the last two
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times I've really studied the Rams. Dude, they are so connected.
They are running around, they play with aggression, they fly
to the football. I mean, you know, they're second in
points against, their second in the league in opponent third
down conversions meaning second best opponent red zone efficiency, their
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second best yards after catch per reception. Well the Seahawks
are you have a damn good defense, right, They're ranked
twenty first, and that's stat The Rams are ranked first.
I mean they've swarm and they tackle your ass. So
I just think that again, maybe we can talk about
the similarities, but I got I'm just so jacked about
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this game. It is a mid term that give me
my popcorn now, I just I just can't wait.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Oh, Hugh, this, I mean, listen, does it always work
out where you know, you know, a matchup going into
it ends up being what we all wanted to be. No,
but my and I brought this up yesterday, Hugh, I
want to get your thoughts on this. I think that
what we saw on Monday night it was a rock fight. Yeah,
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two tough defenses going up against each other, between the
Eagles and Packers, and yeah, offense was optional. I think
if Mike McDonald can impose his will on Sean mcvay's
offense and turn this into that type of game, this
favors the Hawks.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Your thoughts, Yeah, Look, I think that the the Rams
and the Seahawks are so similar offensively, and so I
think that they both, you know, they both have just
kind of pedestrian run games. Look, I've looked at all
the stats, watched the tape, you know, so I think
they're they're just you know, not even average on the
running game. But but you know, philosophically in the passing game,
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for example, the Seahawks in terms of shotgun percentage. They're
thirty first, which means they're under center the second most.
The Rams are under center the most. Average depth of target,
the Seahawks are number one, nine point one yards air
yards per tempt, so they're pushing the ball down the field.
The Rams are number two eight point nine. They so
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you've got veteran quarterbacks that are playing under center that
are they can put their back to the defense, turn around,
and then they're pushing the ball down the field. You know,
I said average depth of target the Rams are first.
How about the percentage of the time when the quarterback
throws to the sticks? The fifty two percent time? Matthew
Stafford's number one in the NFL. So if you if
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you don't like check down Charlie's, which I assume a
hold on, hold on, you know what talking about you
Geno Smith?
Speaker 3 (06:55):
You know Smith's not there anymore.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
If you've always in one of those that that I
was gonna say, if you love check down Charlie's, but
just nobody.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
Like this is your game.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
You've got two quarterbacks that are going to push the
damn ball down the field, and so so I you know,
I think the Rams have a better offensive line. I
think that they're you know, with Pooka Nikouas. You know,
maybe he's just fractionally behind J s N this year,
but he's he's a dude. And and I think I
don't now, we got to check on Davante Adams health
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and all.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
But I think that they've got oh, he's you know,
he'll be playing, he'll be playing.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
So and and so You've got a quarterback who's just
white hot. So so yeah, look, I don't think they're
if you're just going to try and get me to say, hey, philosophically,
you know, the Rams and the Seahawks are are vastly
different offensively, I just don't see it.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
So I think that they're.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Equally capable of of trying to play in a shootout
if their defense is giving up points. I think they're
kind of equally feeble in their run game. So uh,
you know, we'll see. You know, you know, I probably
would think that the under is the bet, right, but
but who knows.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
H Yeah, it could be.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
I mean, I you know what, you'll have to wait
for picking the locks on Friday night with me.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
And Lee Sterling for that. I don't do that often,
so right, No.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
I know you don't, but I'm just saying that you'll
have to wait for my pick on that. You'll have
to wait for that. Hey, hey, listen, you bring up
an interesting point. Hugh Millen obviously need know the introduction
here on Mjay in the midday. Mike McDonald was brought
in here to be the antidote to Sean McVay, and
this Seattle Seahawks team is now you're starting to see
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the vision of John Schneider and Mike McDonald together. Okay,
they had their grace period, they had their honeymoon period there.
You know, their first season together ended up winning ten
even though you really only know it was nine. But
like in terms of the Rams laying down the final
regular season game last year, but Mike McDonald said, Okay,
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we're gonna do this. I need my guy. Bye, Bye,
Ryan Grubb, Hello, Clint Kubiak. And we're seeing the residual
effects of that. And that's why I believe, Hugh. Next
to the Colts and their strength of victory is the
worst amongst any playoff team out there right now. Next
to the Bears, they have a strength of victory that's like,
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I think it's about thirty five percent the Colts do.
But you're talking in terms of points per game, points
differential second in the NFL, Seattle plus one oh three,
third in the NFL, the Rams plus ninety eight.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
So these teams, you, they are mirror images of each other.
I mean they are literally looking at now.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Granted, my thing is this, you what do we gotta
do to stop a thirty seven and soon to be
thirty eight year old who's now playing the best football
of his Hall of Fame career right now in Matthew Stafford,
who's I can't give you, I can't throw We don't
have enough time for me to throw out the superlatives
and the stats on the heater he's been on, what
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do you have to do? If you're Mike McDonald, you're
not gonna I mean, you're not shutting these guys out,
But what do you have to do to contain them?
And I think the magic number, Hugh, is twenty one.
If you hold the Rams to under twenty one points,
you win the game. If they get above that number,
then it's a it's a coin flip.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
Okay, So what do they have to do?
Speaker 2 (10:30):
Yeah, you know, one of my themes of our discussion
here today is how similar they are among the many aspects.
I will say this, how about the blitz rate. A
blitz is defined in the NFL commonly as five or
more rushers. Okay, so Seattle at eighteen point three percent,
they rank twenty ninth, twenty ninth out of thirty two
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teams in terms of their blitz rate. That the Rams
are eighteen point five percent, they're twenty seven, So they're
they're very similar in that regard. It also plays with
a dB rushing. So here's Seattle in the Rams are are?
They are very high in four man rush only they
don't blitz. But the percentage of times that a dB
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is rushing on a play, the Seahawks at five point
nine or seventh and the Rams at five point seven
or eighth, so both are in So what does that mean?
He said, Wait a minute, I thought you just told
me that they they're at the very bottom of blitzing.
If a dB is rushing, that's a blitz. What what
that means is that it's what's called sim pressures defensive
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linemen for the Seahawks, and the Rams are dropping off
and you're trying to fool the quarterback. Got me that's
the part of this thing. And now here's a difference
in that regard that favors the Seahawks on percentage of
plays with five plus rushers. So when the Seahawks blitz,
the percentage of plays that they produce a negative EPA
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expected points average. That's a new you know. Yeah, google
it if you need that.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
And by the way, Hugh, I listen to you all
the time. You were on the morning show the other day.
You talked about Seattle's number one and EPA and special teams.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
Am I right, Well, that's going to be another thing
we're gonna get. Let's so let's go off on that
exit ramp for a second and then get back on
the highway. Okay, Don James told me years ago when
I was twenty that special teams is a third of football.
I'm never going to disagree with the dogfather, Dick Barrett.
I did twenty plus years of Husky Hawks and he's
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that kicking game, the kicking game. Mark write this down
special teams expected points. Now you say what is expected points?
As I said, google it. It's a matrix that every
play has an expected points I've run the correlation statistics
on winning it comes out very high. So this is
a new Gucci stat and it's relevant. Got me Seattle
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Seahawks four point zero four EPA in special teams number
one in the NFL, Los Angeles Rams negative three point
six to two EPA on special teams, thirty second in
the NFL. Let me repeat that, Seattle number one in
the NFL and special teams, Los ange Ram number thirty
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two DFL on special teams. So let's have one or
more plays in that kicking game, Coach Baird, that really
tilt this what could be a very close game in
other respects. Okay, so you brought that out. Okay, let
me get back on the highway on this on where
I was going because I said negative EPA. The times
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when you rushers the Rams do they create havoc? They
create a negative EPA. They're twenty third in in the NFL.
So not really the Seahawks when they rush and they
have they create a negative EPA sixty three and a
half percent time. That's second best in the NFL, and
prior to last week it was first best. They were
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number one in the NFL in EPA when they bring
five or more rusher. So you say, well, hang on,
Matthew Stafford. You know he's a veteran quarterback. He's not
gonna get fooled by these things, those numbers that I
just am giving you, if you pause and think about it,
what you're talking about is Mike McDonald giving complex simulated pressures,
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not man to man blitzes where if you catch a
shallow cross you can run seventy yards down the field
if you make one guy miss. These are generally zoned
behind it, and it's complicated for the quarterback. He said, well,
you're not going to fool Matthew Stafford. Are you sure?
When you said that about Aaron Rodgers, do you remember
Leonard Williams catching a doing you know, pop and drop
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on a cover zero pop and drop where he gets
back into the slant lane and picks off Aaron Rodgers
and takes it ninety seven yards of the house. That
can happen. That can happen. That's against Aaron Rodgers. So
you can do it to Matthew Stafford. And particularly what
I say about Matthew Stafford and is under center percentage,
he's number one under center. I would have it would
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have been the Lions, because every year there Jared goff
is always number one, but Stafford's number one under center,
so he's going to turn his back to the defense
on those play action passes. Now, does Mike McDonald have
something that that screws up the communication of the Rams
and you get a free runner? What did I say?
(15:22):
Negative EPA on five or more when they blitz. The
Seahawks have been the best, so so, uh, you know,
these are kind of the nuances that I'm looking at.
I just oh, man, I can't even contain myself. I'm
my excitement.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
By the way, the Rams number one in terms of
uh no, excuse me, number three. In terms of hits
on the quarterback, the Seahawks are fourth. Okay, this is
a Seahawk pass rush, so they're essentially the same. Rams
seven point one per game Seahawks seven point zero. But
as far as hurries, the Seahawks are number one in
(15:56):
the NFL at producing quarterback hurries at eighteen point two.
The Rams are are thirteen point three. The Seahawks have
five more per game. That's substantial, So they're essentially the
same on hits, but they are not the same on hurries.
The Seahawks have a lot more hurries.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
And By the way, everything that you're saying is that. Now,
let me ask you this, how much is do you
put on this? You Rams have the second best defense
in the league in terms of points per game allowed,
just zero point three percentage behind Houston, and they've given
up two less points per game than the Hawks. Hawks
are giving up nineteen point one points per game? Do
(16:35):
you put a lot into that? Or you just think that, hey,
this is about like, look at what they always say
when boxing was good. It's about fights are about styles
and and that's what makes a fight a style, you know,
that's what makes the fight.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
So do you think that you don't glean too much that?
Speaker 1 (16:54):
All right, they're giving up two more points per game,
big freaking deal, doesn't matter, right, you know, I'd.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Have to go I can look. I mean, these are
the vagaries of statistics that you know. For example, uh,
what was the score last week? Forty four to twenty two?
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Yeah, yeah right.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
First of all, the Seahawks d that's true, fourteen points, Okay,
so they're not getting credit for that, no, you know,
and and show Seattle's offense is going to you know,
get the boost they you know, they the Seals offense
is thirty points is a lot, right, but it's not
forty four. This defense produced two touchdowns and then and
then the turnovers. The drives were I don't have in
front of me. I know one was a three yard touchdown.
(17:31):
One was I believe it was a nineteen yard touchdown
after a turnover. They you know, they got to stop
on a twenty four yard you know, after a turnover
twenty four yard field they produced, you know, they they
had a turnover on downs. I might have flipped those
the nineteen and the twenty four. So so really the
only drive from last Sunday that was any consequence. Yeah,
(17:54):
there was about a eighty something eighty four yard drive,
but that's one touchdown. So here here the Seahawks gets
saddled with twenty two points that goes into their stats
when in reality, you know, it felt like more like
seven or ten. So you know, so look, the Rams
are second in points against the Seahawks are fifth. They're
(18:16):
both damn good defenses. The stats tell you that, The
tape tells you that. As I said, Chris Sula, he
does a hell of a job. And when I watched
that tape against the Vikings, it was Sam Donald as
the quarterback in that playoff game, I felt like there
was fourteen guys on the field, Like I kept looking
for the flag, like there's no way there's only eleven
guys on the field because they and you say, well, yeah,
(18:37):
Justin Jefferson. You know, there's so many misnomers are I
think myths about. You know what was Sam donal? First
of all, myth number one was that Sam Donald had
a great line and Gino Smith didn't. That is just
pure fiction. Look at all the injuries that the Vikings
were facing, and when you watching that playoff game, every
(18:59):
single play, it's it's like, you know, uh, as I said,
a tsunami and they're playing two man against and rolling
coverages and bracketing on Justin Jefferson. And I'll say it,
Justin Jefferson wasn't open. You know, if you play a
man underneath with the safety on either half of the field,
the man underneath can can sit and he can be
(19:21):
in a trail in all short and intermediate routes, he
can say I'm undercutting that because he's got a safety
over the top. So so there was just I don't
care who was the quarterback. Uh, you can you could
put uh, Mahomes back there. You could put Tom Brady
back there. You could uh, you could put Dan Marino,
you could you know, you could resurrect autogram. I don't care,
(19:44):
uh that nobody was gonna play well against the Rams
in that playoff game. And yet here we're gonna say
Sam Darnold, you know, oh he was trash at the
end of the year last year. I'll dance with the
ad on on the Lion game, not on the Ram game.
And and so what's the what's the inverse of that argument?
What's what's the correlation of that argument? Chris Shula and
and those that Ram defense some dudes, now, yeah, verse
(20:09):
frit Fisk Kitchens. I mean they play together, you know,
you know, and and uh uh you know they play
they there's a sense of urgency. And I think the
Steelers had this against Daniel Jones as well. There's sometimes
you know, I want you to paint a picture of
a sense of urgency. You know, when when a when
an offense gets the ball and the offense has the
(20:32):
lead laid in the game and the defense simply has
to get a stop right now, like they can't even
allow one first down, you know, the urgency you see
with the defense there. You know, the defense is down
by doesn't matter whether it's two or four points or whatever.
But there's like a you know, two minutes to go
in the game and they and they simply cannot give
up a first down. And and they play aggressive. They
(20:53):
don't worry about you know, uh overreacting to stuff that
you know, they grab and they squat, uh you know,
you know, they just there's a sense of urgency right now.
And that's how the Rams when I see them go there,
they they have that like they don't care about double moves,
(21:13):
they don't care about counter you know, bootlegs and misdirection stuff.
They're just like, hey, well we'll do our best to
react after we see it. But the first thing you
show us, we are freaking coming after it, you know.
And so there's an aggression and let's see if Clint
Kubiak can make the Rams pay for it. But there's
there's something cool about what you see. If you like
(21:34):
defensive football, the Rams are going to show it to you,
as do the Seahawks.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
I can't wait. It's going to be fun on Sunday.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
You are cordially, is there a fifty to fifty chance
you come out to Muckleshoe Casino Resort for my watch
party at Galaxy fifty to fifty.
Speaker 3 (21:48):
I'm sorry, did you say fifteen percent? No, fifty to
fifty fifteen?
Speaker 1 (21:54):
Yeah, I I could see fifty. Yes, human will be there.
All right, listen, man, we always appreciate the breakdown. Nobody
doesn't like you, Hugh, and uh, we'll see what happens.
But this game is I mean, this is it, man,
this and this if the Hawks and not like if
they don't win the season like it is over.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
But I mean, you win this game right now, you are.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
You are on the inside track on this division and
possibly getting a bye in the one seed in the NFC.
So so much at Steak on Sunday.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
You don't have to sweep the sweep the Rams, but
you got to get a split.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
You gotta get at least a splitt the first half
of the split this Sunday.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
I would love it, all right, all right, Humeillan, we
always rock and roll. We'll talk to you next week. Humellan,
all right, what do you say? Text of the Day
four nine four five one on the unrestricted text line.
Right here, I'm Jay in the midday, Christopher Kidd, what
do you say? Texts of the day for nine four
five one? All right, lot of people texting in today.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
Let's see here. What do we got? Lida saw uh.
Speaker 4 (23:04):
MJ.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
I don't think you're right, bro, don't remember do don't
remember the shootout we got into in Tampa. I think
we can win multiple ways yet No. I think they
can too. But I would rather not get into becoming
a track meet. That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (23:23):
Mark.
Speaker 4 (23:23):
I'm so ready to eat crow on my October twenty
first rant, and no scenario. Are the Mariners, who already
complained about spending the money on contract for the remainder
of the season, would ever spend the twenty million to
twenty five million per year. It's gonna have to keep
him here. Josh Neller darting, Josh, Yeah, Naylor, Well, it
sounds as though the M's and Naylor's camp are finalizing
(23:45):
a four year, eighty eight million dollar contract. I've never
been more happy to be dead wrong.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
He's saying that they're finalizing a deal.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
It sounds as if that could be happening, all.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
Right, I you know, obviously you gotta see that it's
from some credible sources. I mean, not that, not that
the text line is, you know, not credible, but uh,
you know, we just want to let's just make sure,
let's just you know, it could be happening. But what
if the Mets come in and and Uncle Steve Cohen
wants to say, now you know, I think I'm just
(24:18):
gonna go ahead and give him a blank check.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
So there's that. Padres also have a glaring need at
first base. They could go there.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
I mentioned the Mets, Pete A Lonzo's not going to
be there more than likely, and then Josh Naylor could be.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
So there's that. So it is what it is.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
Uh. Liam Gallagher calls grunge rubbish and he used to
get into with fights with the guys backstage. Okay, fair enough.
I love grunge music too, but I can like both.
It's it's okay. But yeah, those guys listen, man, I
love them, but I know they're they're a holes. I
think their own mom would would admit that they're her sons.
Liam and Noel Gallagher are a holes. That's what they are.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
Imagine ESPN, CBS or Fox having Hu Millin give him
a blank check and say fill it in and be
the color commentator and saying breakdown on the games.
Speaker 1 (25:14):
Oh, would be unbelievable, unbelievable, that would be amazing. I
don't know what this means, but the guy put the
Rosy o'donnald reference, tipped your hand and he put I'm out. Oh, well, hey, Chad,
if you have any issues with me, you know, basically
referencing Rosy O'Donnell and saying a game is ugly, then
Chad Karen, Chad Alert, Chad Alert, Chat alert, Bye bye,
(25:37):
bye bye sweetheart, see you later, Chad.
Speaker 3 (25:41):
Jesus. Unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
Yeah, I imagine imagine being triggered over me making an
ugly reference towards Rosi O'Donnell. Like, people, seriously, you really
need to wake up and like get a life. You.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
If you are triggered by that, you need help. You
need help. Sorry, bro, you need help.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
And I probably shouldn't even have read that on the air,
but it's like, come on, man, I mean, you give
a bad name to great people. And thankfully the majority
of the audience are not chads like you.
Speaker 5 (26:16):
H MJ.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Miami has a pretty low chance to make the ACC
Championship game, so they'll have to be an at large
to make the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
Not a great chance. They're either.
Speaker 5 (26:25):
Well, you know, according to guys like Rhys Davis and
Greg McIlroy, who get paid a lot of money to
discuss this every week, they think all the U's gotta
do is win out and we are in like Flynn.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
So I'm just gonna worry. Just don't.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
Here's my thing. Just no more let downs and f ups,
no more the rest of the way. You gotta take
care of business and just let Darwinism and things take
over and let the natural course of college football craziness
and chaos just ensue.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
Last one from me. Hawks need to butz Stafford almost
every play, make him fill his age.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
Yeah, yeah, uh, that would be great. That would be all.
I don't know every play because you do every play.
You don't think Matthew Stafford's gonna pick that e They're
gonna kill you. I mean, come on, after like three plays,
he's all.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
They're blitzing every down like this is this is the raal,
Like come on, these guys are unbelievable. MJ finally had
the chance to try Nolita from your recommendation months ago.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
Was amazing.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
Yes, it is amazing and I haven't been there in
so long, and I've got to get back there as
soon as possible.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
I just want to put it out there. You do
a great job every day.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
Also in twenty fourteen, Hugh said Russell Wilson's game was
flawed and he took so much crap for it.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
Look who's right now? Good work you?
Speaker 1 (27:51):
Yeah, he nailed it. And he also, oh, he's nailed
a lot of stuff, man, a lot of things that
he ended up being right on. Uh. I saw Oasis
open up for the who in Seattle a few years back.
Didn't have a strong feeling about them one way or
the other, and they did fine. But the takeaway was,
dude was so on character. And when he started yelling
at us and swearing at us and telling us we'd
(28:13):
done a crappy job raising our children, he got a
little bit of booze.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
But then we got over it. There you go.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
It's all about the music, man, It's all about the
music and somebody else. Just as the Oasis talk ish
about grunge, that's why agree about deep fried Turkey. But
your taste in music leaves a lot to be desired.
Why are we still talking about the sonics, you know what,
Like I mean, we can always wish wishful thinking. Not
(28:42):
to mention the Rams have plastic letters on their uniforms.
Ugly a haf that's right.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
I gotta admit.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
Colin Coward had a great burn when these RAMS uniforms
came out. He said they look like NFL Europe practice jerseys,
and I saw something to that extent.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
Those RAMS jerseys look so cheap, and like, oh, you're
so right.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
Oh, I just go back to the old school ones
from the Eric Dickerson days, you know, appreciate everybody who
texted in. Someone else just said if we lose on Sunday,
it'll be because of Jared Verse.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
Period. Yeah, he's he's the man. He is the man.
All Right, that's the way you say. Text of the day.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
We'll talk to Ian Fernes crosstalk coming up next. All right,
we forgot one and I was gonna bring this up,
so I'll let the text line. Tim props to Ian
Ferness first time I heard him doing hockey play by
play on Kong.
Speaker 3 (29:45):
Nicely done. Tim.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
I brought it up at the beginning of the show,
and I brought up with Mike Benton, like dude, you
were awesome last night. Bro. You At first I got
a little worried because I didn't see you when the
game started.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
I said he was in today, he should be there,
Like oh, people are like, hey, good, he's not there,
pipers and there instead. Good job.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
Yeah, but then it was like, oh, oh you're on
the call. Yeah you did a great job, man, amazing,
Like it was just wonderful to hear you do in
your element.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
I appreciate that was fun. Yeah, I mean I wish
the game would have been a better outcome, but it
was fun game.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
Though it was close. Mat Murray was great. Mat Murray
was great. Matt Matt Murray's played really well for them. Yeah,
he was good. He's got a score, score goal. That's
that's it.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
That's it.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
They have the fun.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
They have the most ot ls in the league with
Colorado right now, which sat stat I mean, you know,
getting better to get a point than not, that's it.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
But that's a team you got to beat. Last night.
They're sick.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
They had illness going through their locker room. Boot Jenner
and one of their players left in the middle of
the game. They're taking like everyone took warm ups. See
who could you know, who wasn't throwing up afterwards? I mean,
and they played the second half of a back to back,
like you got to win that game. But they just
got some guys that cannot score right now, and uh,
you know, hopefully at some point when they do, it'll
open up the floodgates. But it's a little it's it's tough.
But hey, you year ago this team would be ten
(31:01):
points out of.
Speaker 3 (31:01):
A playoff spot. Exactly.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
I'll give Alan Lambert a lot of credit there. So
he's done a really good job so far. They seem
to have bought in yes to everything I now. I
also want to just kind of let you know, sorry
for the uh barrage of college football playoff propaganda last
night while you were you know, well's right, you're texting
me with that stuff. And Jess was texting about show
(31:25):
stuff and Southern Lights or Northern Lights, and I'm like,
I'm worried about, you know, getting through the second period here.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
So yeah, and we moved on. Greg and Reese Davis says,
we went out. Well, I just I gave up last week.
I gave up. We're eighteen. I thought was over.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
Yeah, the path is there, there's a path there they
You know, Pittsburgh's massive this week, I mean must win. Well,
that's a must win. You're not getting in with three. Oh,
I'm sorry, that's Notre Dame. That's Notre Dame. Yeah, you guys,
you guys have what left. We have that pit at
the end of the year. Okay, I mean that's win.
So it would be nice to get an assist from
pitt this weekend. Bitwsburgh could really play a massive spoiler
(32:05):
role out there, can't. They Their next three games Notre Dame,
Georgia Tech Miami. That's the final three games of that season.
You talk about getting backloaded.
Speaker 3 (32:15):
Wow, yeah, wow?
Speaker 1 (32:18):
And Notre Dame has Stanford and some slappy between Stanford
and Okay, the last I mean this week's they're only last.
That's that's their only real test on the way to
ten and two. So if they beat Pittsburgh, they're going
to be in. I still think head to head should matter.
Speaker 5 (32:32):
I with you.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
I don't get clad said it to everybody said, then
why play the games?
Speaker 1 (32:36):
Yeah right, it's I also will say I love the
twelve team playoff, not just because of more playoff games,
but I love the twelve team playoff just because of this.
It's you know, that's why I like It's like I
love college basketball from mid January on, OK, we debate
about who's in and yeah, you know, sixty four is
the perfect number. They're gonna they're gonna screw that sixty
(32:57):
eight right now technically, yeah, but yeah it's really sixty. Yeah,
they're gonna screw that up. We can do four more
in college football. Sixteen, Yeah, I think sixteen would be
a perfect now. So yeah, but here's a thing. This
is the interesting part of it. Yes, sixteen would be
a little bit nice and neat. No buys, Right, you
just kind of go, they won't do that because they
want they the SEC, specifically in the Big ten. They
(33:18):
want their big guys to get a bye. Yep, that's
what they're doing. Nine games in the SEC from now
on start next year, right, they're trying. Yeah, yeah, they
want to get a bye. And but I love it
because you know, we got Mandela on today one twenty.
I'm gonna ask him about it. He wrote about, imagine
if we were still in a fourteen playoff this year
would be an absolute disaster.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
Oh my god, can you imagine? And here's the thing
about it ian. I mean, they'll go back.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
My early memories of college football was the late eighties
Canes and early nineties Canes teams. It's like, God, imagine
then if we had a ten team play or an anything,
then that we're if you didn't, you know, it's like God.
I mean all those years that I mean Florida State
finished in like the top three for like eighteen straight years.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
Imagine if there was a playoff back then. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
Well and I mean guys here would screaming yel about
you know, the the Huskies and and BYU and you
know the way by you by b YU athletic program
right now is there. They're a monster. They got all
the money in the world mark I know. I mean
they they got church money.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
That's whatever.
Speaker 1 (34:24):
Like when you because they're basically like they like Scientology.
I used to live in next to not in the
town over from where the Church of Scientology's headquarters are
in Clearwater, Florida. Ye, when you got that money, you
are different levels. By the way, everything nothing is uh
nothing gets taxed. Religion, Well, yeah that's right. Scientology, in
(34:45):
a federal court case, beat the government. We we went
there after God. Whenever the Seahawks played Tampa Bay five
six years ago. Six years ago, we had a later
flight went out of Tampa, so we drove and drove
out to Cause to the beach and yeah, I just
have lunch of the beach and I'm not understanding or
realizing that that was the home of scientology. Oh yeah, wow,
(35:07):
what a weird place. Oh yeah, what a weird Let
me let me, let me just putch It makes Utah
look very noom. Hey, I'm gonna tell you right now,
if you ever get lost in downtown clear whider this
is anybody, don't ever wander into the Fort Harrison Hotel
because if you do, they will reprogram you. You will
never get out there. You will never talk to your
family place. They will They will take all of your possessions.
(35:30):
You will never have anything to do with anybody you
ever knew in your entire life. They will reprogram you.
That's a weird place.
Speaker 5 (35:36):
It is.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
I've watched it.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
I watched that lea remedy show, you know, a couple
of years ago, and my wife friend watched this, like,
holy cow, I've we've been there. I looked like Buddy
Shramack and I are photoge folks, Fox her team. We
went there, we drove through there, saw that big the
big red building and all that the whole and it's like,
that is a.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
Weird they bottom got there.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
The ultimately the ultimate documentary when we talked about by U,
the Ultimate documentary calls going Clear about scientology. That's the
name of the documentary on HBO HBO Max Going Clear.
It will open your eyes to every eight is scary.
What do you got today, so mad Dandel.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
Yeah, madel We're gonna talk college football. I mean, it's
just a great time of the year.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
I know, you know here you guys are bummed out
if you're a Husky fan, I get that, but hey,
you know what, it's still fun time of the year.
We'll talk to him about all like who hey, oh
get coaching at occupancy or vacancies too too. There's two
teams in the Big ten that are on the outside
looking in, but could be in a good spot if
they went out.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
USC YEP in Michigan.
Speaker 1 (36:34):
Well, and I think I'm curious if USC if Oregon
loses another game, what.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
If they lose to USC or Washington. Well, they lose
to Washington, they're done.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
I think I think ten and two losing to Washington,
they still have a chance to get in. I'll ask
him ab so we'll got that and then Mike Homemeran
at two o'clock.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
Nice.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
I hope, hope to get we hopefully they get coached
on ones before he gets inducted into the Hall of Fame,
which will probably be an auguinst.
Speaker 3 (36:58):
We want to get him on once I try.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
All right, Dick Ian Fornest, great job on the play
by play last night, I mean really outstanding. Another doc
Emrick here in studio. Stay tuned for the Mayor coming
up next.
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