May 5, 2025 • 37 mins
Kevin Clark, host on This Is Football on ESPN joins the program to talk about the Seahawks offseason, why he thinks Geno Smith will have a better season than Sam Darnold and much more. Colin Cowherd had a pretty bad trade proposal that we discuss, and Les Snead shares how Pete Carroll and the Seahawks tried to distract him ahead of some of their games in Seattle.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Happy Monday, Sinko Demayo Hour number two on MJ in
the midday on Seattle Sports Leader ninety three to three KJRFM.
Right now, we're joined by a guy who has one
of the biggest and best podcasts in the business. He's
a big shot. You can see. He's backed by Omaha Productions.
(00:20):
That's Peyton and Eli Manning. His podcast is called This
Is Football. It's on ESPN two, and he happens to
also be a graduate like myself of the U.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
His name is Kevin Clark. That's right. What's up, kse.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
What's going on? I'm excited to be here. Yeah, we'll
be on ESPN two. I'll break news on this. We're
gonna be for an hour this month. We're going from
thirty minutes to an hour this month, so I'm excited
about that. That's a lot of football talk, but it
never slows down. Right.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Congratulations And by the way, I like to see, because
there's a lot of times in this profession, Kevin, that
you see some people fail upwards. It's nice to see
great people like yourself succeed upwards. That's the way it
should go, so very well deserved, can't And by the way,
what time is it so everybody out there can watch.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
I believe it's two pm on Friday.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Two pm on Friday, okay, and that's on the that's
two pm Pacific time time, So eleven o'clock in the morning.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
I forget. I forget that that. You know, I lived
on the West Coast for I don't know five years,
and I still have East Coast bias. I'm sorry about that.
Pacific Northwest.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
It's all good.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
So I've only been here, Casey for a few months,
like literally three months. I've been here, so I was
coming all the way from the the Sunshine States, where
you were born and raised, and so it's been a
sort of a culture shock, but a good culture shock
for me.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
I love the weather out here.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Since I got back from Vegas three weeks ago, Kevin,
it's been sixty two to sixty eight football weather every
single day in April and now May, and I'm loving it.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Now.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Speaking of football, you look at the Seahawks offseason. Bye
bye Geno Smith, Bye bye DK Metcalf, Bye bye Tyler Lockett,
Hello Sam Darnold, Cooper cup and Marquez Valdez, Gantling, DeMarcus Lawrence.
You look at the draft that happened last weekend, getting
Gray's Abel trading up to get Nick Emman Warry, drafting
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our guy from the U Elijah Royo tight end there
in the second round, and then Jalen Milroe. I said this,
and I'm not trying to be a homer on the air,
but I'm really saying this, Kevin Clark, you tell me.
And that's why I always want the national objective perspective
because that's where I try to bring who's had a
better off season than the Seattle Seahawks.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Well, I mean, from my perspective, I think that they
get a really good draft. I don't know if it's
draft for twenty twenty five. I think it'sly athletic draft.
And it was funny because I love drafting athletes and
figuring the rest out later. Okay, so like guys you
test well at the combine, take them all and then
let let the coaches figure it out. Right, And for me,
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when I'm looking at some of my draft crushes, I
saw a bunch of them going that Seattle draft. I'm
and Warrior is one of these guys. I think he
might be a little boom bust, but I think the
athletic potential is so tantalizing, it's almost like kind of
brings back Leagion to boom memories with some of those
athletes on the back on the back end, right, I
think that Elijah Royo, as you mentioned, an incredible athlete.
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We still have made play after play. It felt like
when you watched him play, it felt like he was
running a four to three with that big body, and
so the combine testing confirmed that he was a really
good athlete. But for me, I'm looking at this and
I'm saying, this is a draft where it might take
a year or two for these guys to develop. I mean,
Warrior's tape was not as good as maybe some of
the other safeties in the draft. He's just a tantalizing athlete.
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I think we'll figure it out. To me, it's a
little bit more of a developmental draft. I think that
Sam Donald is probably in twenty twenty five going to
be a downgate from Gino Smith. But I think the
plan given Millroe, we know what he can do well.
You can run the ball as well as anybody who's
come out in the draft in recent memory. So for me,
the plan is solid. If the self aware rebuild or no.
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You know, you look at a team like the Raiders,
for instance, got Gino Smith, they drafted Ashton Genty in
the top ten. It felt like they were trying to
win right now. They're trying to win in September. Because
they hired a coach who's the oldest coach in the league.
You're not exactly going to ten year build. I think
Mike McDonald younger coach with John Schneider, who the GM
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is going to be there for a long time, has
been there for a long time. I think you're looking
at a self aware, honest rebuild. I think as that goes,
I think it's it's really good.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
I think they're onto something Kevin Clark, while you just
gave us a bunch of stuff there, so you think
this is more of a draft for the future now
Number one. A couple things, but the first thing that
stood out is and that's what you know, that Wilson
School of Communication Journalism really helps out now because you know,
studying from doctor Driscoll and all those people at the
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University of Miami.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Now it helps me out.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
You just said you don't think that Sam Donald's an
upgrade over Geno Smith.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
Why well, Gino Smith has a longer sample size of
being a touched off quarterback. I think that Kevin O'Connell
is a is a better offensive coach than anything do
you know Smith has had in Seattle. I think Kevin
Collins one of the that's one of the best playbooks in football,
and I think as a quarterback developer he's as good
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as there is in football. So Sam Donald without Kevin O'Connell,
we haven't seen large sample size at that level. We've
seen Jets Sam Donald, who I think you can throw out.
Everybody's bad at the Jets, Carolina Sam Donald decent at times,
Sam Scoke, Sam Donald never played. I think a lot
about what would have happened if do you remember Brock
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Party got that concussion. Sam Donald was supposed to play
two years ago in the Shanahan offense with that stack
San Francisco lineup, and I would have been really intrigued
to see what the results would have been because I
think they'd be pretty close to Brock Party. But you
removed from from an elite, elite offensive system, and we'll
see what happens in Seattle with the new offensive staff
and all that defensive head coach, who again I really
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have a lot of respect for, But I think that
Gino Smith is a safer bet right now than Sam Donald.
I think that Sam Donald is a bridge Frankly, I
think the contract reflects that they can get out of
it quite easily and not too long of a time frame.
It's a lot of money, but that's just the price
you pay to pay any starting quarterback in the NFL. Now,
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I think Gino Smith's going to have a better year
in twenty twenty five than Sam Donald.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Is incredible.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
The first day that I came on the air, Kevin
Clark from The Ringer joining us here and his podcast
that you can watch on ESPN two every Friday eleven
o'clock Pacific time called this is Football. That the first
day that I came on the air here Gino Smith,
which is back on February tenth, he was still a
Seahawk and I labeled him a Nordstrom Rack quarterback, and
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I stand by that.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Now.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
You can say what you want about the fact that
you know Sam Darnold yet, and I agree with you
about Kevin O'Connell. Just absolute genius. Justin Jefferson Addison Howkinson
absolutely could he be a one year wonder could happen.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
We don't know. We'll find out.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
I think under Clint Kubiak, who's the new offensive coordinator here,
who comes in after Mike McDonald fired Ryan Grubb, you're
gonna see more of that outside zone blocking scheme. I
think you're gonna see Kenneth Walker, You're gonna see shar
Boney McIntosh.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Oh, by the way, they just drafted.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
They got a great value of this guy from the
University of Miami in the seventh round named Damien Martinez,
so they those things are going to help him out.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Now you Elijah or Royal to the mix. So it's
gonna be. It's gonna be somewhat where.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
And don't forget Clint Kubiak was an offensive assistant in
San Francisco when Sam Darnold was there. I get your skepticism.
I understand it. I just think it's Kevin. We all know,
and every business, especially when it comes to talent evaluation,
the only thing that matters are Sundays.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
That's it. We can sit here up all week.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Listen, schdor Sanders could end up winning five Super Bowls.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Do I think it'll happen.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
No, But you just don't know that being said, when
you look at the Seattle Seahawks from the outside looking
in this franchise, John Schneider's been here sixteen years. He
was the one who relieved Pete Carroll of his duties.
Now it's on him. How much time do you think
that John Schneider has here in Seattle to get it right.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
I don't think he's gonna be on the honest seat,
even with a down this year. I think you'd need
a couple of years, and I think you would need
the entire all of his sort of recooling plans would
have to not work out. Not only be Sam Darnold,
it would be jail and nowhere, it would be a
couple of bus In this draft, high profile busts into
the first two picks. I think I think they're gonna
give him the time, okay, And I think that he's proven.
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I mean, like whether or not who was doing the
drafting or who had the most safe is kind of
irrelevant right now, as far as who was drafting Richard
German and Kim Chancer and all that stuff, right like,
that's that's ancient history. But I think that there's there's
been a proven track creditor with John Schinder. Now we can't.
He hasn't been able to figure out the offensive line
in the recent history, which has been aggravating. One of
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the reasons the the franchise is stilled a little bit.
But I think that because of the good vibes of
the early twenty tens teams, because he had such an
instrumental part in that, I think he's gonna get a
bunch of at bass. I don't think he's gonna be
in the hot seat. I know that there were people
really angry about Pete Carroll being let go this time
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last year or over last year. I think he's gonna
get time. I think that he's a good GM. I
don't think you're gonna get anybody better right now. The
only thing I can think of is if Mike McDonald's
wins some sort of power Stoga, which you never want,
by the way, Power stugles stablized franchises and says, Hey,
I want to bring in one of my guys from Baltimore.
I want to bring in one of my guys from Michigan,
one of these guys that he knows really well. I
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think a lot of times that can be destabilizing too,
because you get in kind of a yes man situation
when a coach brings in his own GM and all
that stuff. So I think that those guys making it work,
Sniger McDonald, that's the most important thing for me and
I frankly, I think mc donald's such a good coach
that they're going to figure it out.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
Kevin Clark from The Ringer joining us on here his
podcast called This is Football on ESPN two every Friday
morning local time at eleven am. Kevin, what's the ceiling?
Let's just say that it is a boom here for
Sam Darnell. What's the ceiling on what he could do
for the Seahawks franchise?
Speaker 3 (10:59):
I mean playoffs? I don't so I don't see much
and sorry to burst.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
No no, by the way, I want this, I want,
I want, I want you. I want your true unadult
rated opinion.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
I don't see much of a path for the Seahawks
being as good as the Rams this year, and even
if they get the best version of Sam Darnold, I
think the talent gap is pretty significant this year. Maybe
the fact that the Rams were in kind of a
retooling mode and they almost meant the Darren Super Bowl
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last year. That's kind of what you need to know
about where the Seahawks are and where the Rams are now.
I think the Niners are getting old and injured, and
we'll see what happens with Rock Berty's contract and all
that stuff. I think Arizona is in a similar spot
as Seattle in the sense that I think that they've
got some really good pieces and if they win eleven games,
that wouldn't shock me at all. But I still think
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that they're competing for uh second place in in the
in the NFC West. So for me this year in
twenty twenty five, I'm looking at playoffs as the ceiling.
Now in a couple of years off some of these
draft pick hits, picks hit, and Sam Darnold comes back.
It can be hired than that. But I'm looking at
a wild card team for Seattle as as sort of
a goal, and I don't I'm not ruling that out
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by any names. I think it could happen, especially in
kind of a week NFC with some of these teams
having so many holes, So I'm not I'm not ruling
out the playoffs. I just think that the Rams are
are damn good. The roster is damn good, and I'm
expecting them to win the division.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
Oh, I couldn't agree with you anymore.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
I mean there, and then he got this guy by
the name of Devonte Adams, who's pretty good. I mean,
you had him with Poka Nakua Stafford. Oh, it's just
it's it's an embarrassment. And then look at the draft
they had last year, Jared Verus, Braydon Fisk, and then
a guy that we got to watch, Cam Kitchens. Yeah,
I mean so that that was pretty good. You mentioned
something the first question I asked you about Nick emm
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and Worry being a boomer bust.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Why did you say that? What do you mean by that?
Speaker 3 (12:56):
He's an incredible athlete. And I always been on the
creditble athletes the story of the NFL as athletes figure
it out at some point. I think that his tape
was not as good as some of the other safeties
in the draft, and so I don't think that And
and this has happened a million times. As I told you,
I'm in favor of drafting athletes figure the rest out later.
But for me, when I think about kind of boom
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or bust potential guys, A lot of it's great athletes
where the tape doesn't show the athletic system. Having said that,
it usually as long as it's a good coaching staff,
and Mike McDonald certainly is a part of that assocition
that have put the side of the ball, they usually
figure that out. But I thought that he got caught
flat footed a couple of times. I thought that, uh,
maybe they were there was just tape there. Resting he
doesn't play as athletic as as he tests, and he
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played in the SEC. He has a lot of big
game reps. I'm expecting him. I would favor the boom
as far as that goes. But I anytime you draft
a guy who's not a perfect prospect, but as an athlete,
you always have to take him to the into account
the idea that he's he's not going to turn athboticism
into comaningful reps.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
What are there's saties did you think had a higher
grade than.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
Him, Well, Mawkin starts obviously at Georgia. He would be
my number one. There's a bunch of dbs who went
really really high, who are super flexible, which im and wary.
It's that's that's a little bit different, but starts would
be would be would be my number one and then
some of these some of these defensive that acts you
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can play any position. I forget what the actual stat was,
but it starts was like the first player in FBS
history or something to play x amount of snaps from
the from safety and the spot and all that stuff
to die. Barren had very similar numbers as far as
flexibility goes, and more is more of a true safety.
So guys like that. I think em and Warriy was
on the second cut of defensive acts in this draft,
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but I still think he can really uh it can contribute,
especially this year. But it might be when you draft
a bunch of athletes, it might be the kind of
situation where it takes twenty twenty six, twenty twenty seven.
Now again I'm not talking about Mmin and Worry in particular.
I'm talking about the entire draft because a lot of
those guys are are just pure athletes.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
Kevin Clark from The Ringer. This is Football podcast brought
to you by Omaha Productions on ESPN two every Friday morning,
eleven o'clock Pacific time. So you can watch Kevin. So
I allow my audience they can watch your podcast, but
they have to listen to my show.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Fair enough. That's what.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
All Right, A couple of things here should door Sanders
your thoughts? I mean nobody, I mean obviously, this is
a guy who had, apparently reportedly according to every draft analyst,
including Daniel Jeremia, who I think is the best current
draft analyst at what he does, first round talent.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Why did he drop to the fifth round?
Speaker 3 (15:38):
I think that you're seeing, you're hearing exactly why he
didn't do well in some of his interviews. I think so.
First of all, I think the short answer is the
obvious one, which is the quarterback needy teams didn't think
it was very good. Okay, they thought he was a
great talent. But there's a great Sief timeline from years
ago speaking of the Arizona Cardinals where he says, if
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Hannibal Lecter ran a fourth three, we would just talk
it up to an eating disorder and move on.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Who said that and who said that time.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
The Cardinals he said, and so like if he if
he actually like a jerk in some of these meetings,
but he played like Joe Burrow in twenty nineteen. I
don't know for hearing that he had to like a jerk,
right if he was, if he had cam Word's tape
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and he asked to like a jerk, I don't know
if that's leaking. So I think, if that's the simplest thing,
and then it cascades from there, how much is the
NFL going to tolerate when you don't have the tools
that other top picks have. And so I think that
there was always a risk because he didn't have the
huge arm or he wasn't like the most league athlete.
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I would have taken higher. I would have taken that value.
I mean, the biggest thing is that when I think
about what that what was happening with the slide, I
was texting people in the league saying, why don't he
just take Shadar like guys with franchise quarterbacks, why don't
you take him as a backup? And honestly got an
answered for some of these guys was we didn't know
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this this was gonna happen, so we didn't even do
work on them, Like we didn't even try to meet
with him or learn anything about him. So we're not
going to take a guy blind, right, And so that
was part of the reason that some of these teams
with franchise quarterbacks didn't end up taking him, and so
I don't I think it's it's probably pretty simple, and
I think he's get good coach in Cleveland and go
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from there.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Kevin Clark here from the Ringer on MJ in the midday. Kevin, Yeah,
it's interesting. I think the only person who might have
had well, nobody had a worst weekend last weekend than
should do or standers. But it was kind of off
the heels of that because it was on the Sunday,
the day after the NFL Draft concluded CBS News This
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Morning with Bill Belichick that interview. And I grew up
in New England and I covered the last three years
of Tom Brady with the Patriots in New England and
saw how acrimonious things got at the end.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
And here we are.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
And I've never for a guy who, to me's middle name,
Kevin Clark, could be control because that's what he has
done wherever he has been. And Charles Barkley even came
out and was serious and said something the extent of
I'm gonna get in touch with Bill Belichick because I'm
worried about him He wasn't mocking, he wasn't being chuck.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
He was being serious as a friend.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
What do you make of this whole bizarre situation in
his girlfriend who's nearly fifty years younger than him, and
Jordan Hudson, who, by the way, according to Dov Kleiman
and other reports, forced her.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Way onto the to a Dunkin Donuts.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Commercial that was played on Super Bowl Sunday with Ben
Affleck and Casey Affleck.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
Can you put what is going on here? Kevin?
Speaker 3 (18:58):
I don't know much about it, honestly, Like I haven't
tupted to Belichick in a decade. He doesn't give a
lot of one on ones. I'm been around UNC, but
from from for me, just like, looking at this from
a football perspective, how can UNC be into this UNC?
They're not getting the recruits. They did get the quarterbacks
from South Alabama, but I don't I think probably a
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little surprised. But there aren't guys who are saying, you know,
I want to play for Belichick. I want to get
to the league such an nil era that goes a
lot shorter, and I just don't think this UNC thing
is on track to work.
Speaker 4 (19:31):
Now.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
I've been surprised before. I've certainly been wrong before, but
at this point, just from a football perspective, it just
seems to be going off the rails for the Tar Heels.
And that's if I'm if I'm running unc Orf, I'm
a Dieard fan getting very very concerned that I don't
care what he does in his personal life, but from
a football perspective, this seems to be going off the rails,
and that would be my huge concern.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
I can tell you this from my perspective, and one
of the things that I gleaned from NFL Draft weekend,
I think that all thirty two teams, they are out
on the Dion Sanders being a head coaching business. And
now I can say this, I mean, let's look at
this objectively. As we ken Kevin he didn't get a
job after he got fired. Atlanta picked RhE Morris over
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Bill Belichick, and I found out it was because Rich
McKay wanted nothing to do with Bill. Wasn't maybe the
reports out there that Robert Kraft sandbagged and the Arthur
blank notwithstanding, I think the NFL is out on Bill
Belichick ever being a head coach in the league.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Again, I think it's over.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
I think he's burned way too many bridges, and I
think this sort of thing right now, it doesn't I
don't think the NFL wants a seventy three year old
man who's with a twenty four year old woman being
the image of one of their thirty two franchises.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
What do you think about that?
Speaker 3 (20:48):
I think that was August going into this disciple if
you had a lot of NFL interests. So for me,
that's it's it's probably over. The only thing that would
change that is if USC has some sort of miracles
nine and four, ten and three season where they see
expectations and an owner says it was give them a chance.
But I'm pretty sure that ship the sales.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
No question about it. And I I haven't asked this
question last weekend. Who lasts longer? Bill Belichick at UNC
or Shador Sanders in Cleveland. I said, I'll take Shador.
I'll double down on Shador. I think he will last
long and you could tell too. And the biggest thing
that you mentioned, especially the interview cycle that just transpired
two months ago, his former quarterback that won six Super
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Bowls with him, who has reportedly ten percent minority ownership
and the Las Vegas Raiders hired a guy that Bill
beat in the Super Bowl and Pete Carroll.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
And didn't even get Bill an interview that to me
says says it all.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
Kevin Clark the Ringer, and you can check out his podcast,
This is Football, every Friday morning local time here in
Seattle at eleven on ESPN two. Kevin, we appreciate you
making the time. And oh, by the way, I think
cam word has got stud written all over him.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
Franchise player, franchise player. What it changed? The absolutely all right,
Kevin again, let's do it again sooner than later.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
Man, appreciate it, all right, thanks man, All right, good
stuff there. Wow, this guy really said this on the air,
and he wasn't joking. This is not an April fool's joke.
He literally said this on the air, the worst trade
proposal in the history of sports. And it might not
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surprise you because he's from the state of Washington. Will
tell you who said it and what he said next
on MJ in the midday ninety three to three KJRFM.
There's nothing hotter to me than a beautiful woman within
the British accent. I still have a thing for Elizabeth Hurley.
Oh my lord, God bless her. That was a crush.
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That's a crush. Love that accent. I really love it
on my local Major League Baseball broadcast, but I love it.
I love it on women. I'd love Jay, Jay Buner
and Angie Mintik this weekend. They were fantastic. They were great,
They were great. I wish we would have Jay Buhner
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in the boothmore off. I love Day Valley as well.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Big fan of that.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
You're gonna say something, Chris, you got some You're you're
gonna chime in there.
Speaker 5 (23:26):
I was waiting to hear I was going to Maritish act.
Oh no, would you like a cup of tay? I'm
gonna stay away from it.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
Oh yeah, it sounds better with a feminine voice, and
thankfully for us we don't have one, because that wouldn't
be be a little bit odd being men to have
a feminine voice.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
You know the Mark likes my feminine voice.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
Oh no, that would be that'd be a different show,
different show, different station.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Yeah, yeah yeah. Colin Coward is from Washington State, Aberdeen.
I believe he has an affinity for the Seahawks.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
The Mariners talked about them and you know, never actually
worked in the Seattle market, worked in Portland, worked in Vegas. Obviously,
you know he's with Fox Sports Radio, now Premiere and
all that good stuff. Well, Colin's been doing this a
long time, and he's been on the national level for
over twenty years now, since he got that big break
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in Bristol twenty years ago when Tony Kornheiser decided he no.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Longer wanted to do radio. So kudos to Colin. He's
made a lot of money a lot.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
A few weeks ago on the show, on his show,
he brought up, well, I'm not gonna lead the witnesses
on the stand here being you the audience, you just
listen to it.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
But the Steelers have been putting band aids on for
six years. I think they have to rip it off.
I would trade TJ. Watt George Pickens two first round
picks if your scouting department said Shadu or Sanders is
the guy, because I think cam Ward's going to go
number one. I think should or Sam Sanders you could
get at number five.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Six or seven. Can I hear that again?
Speaker 4 (25:20):
But the Steelers have been putting band aids on for
six years. I think they have to rip it off.
I would trade TJ. Watt George Pickens two first round
picks if your scouting department said, shaud Or Sanders is
the guy, because I think cam Ward's going to go
number one. I think should or Sam Sanders you could
get at number five, six, or seven t J.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
Watt two first rounders for her guy who just got
drafted in the fifth round by Cleveland, the.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
Ever dwelling, basement living.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
Dregs that they are, the Cleveland Browns arguably the worst
French in the NFL this side of the Jets. You
would have traded two first rounders in TJ. Watt, arguably
the best defensive player in the NFL, to move up
to get your door. Well, if I'm not mistaken, didn't
Pittsburgh pass on Shaudeur a bunch of times? They ended
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up taking Will Howard out of Ohio State in the
fifth round.
Speaker 6 (26:24):
I just.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
I'm not gonna say anything bad. I want to there's
the part of me on the show.
Speaker 4 (26:31):
I just.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
I don't believe he truly believed this. I don't because
if you really truly believe this, then there's a problem.
That's a problem.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
Like I've said, and I.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
Continue, We'll see a lot of things that people don't
like on the air. Never have I said anything so
freaking stupid than that. Two first rounders in TJ. Watt
to move up to the top five to take Shader
Sanders six point five million dollars a year. No, not
(27:10):
what you do is Sander's gonna make. That's what Colin
Coward makes a year, six point five million dollars a year.
I'd be happy after the decimal point, Just after the
decimal point.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
I'd be happy.
Speaker 7 (27:26):
You got.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
I'm mean as a sports talk goes, as a guy
that gets paid to to give you words every day,
I'm speed.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
I don't know what to say. I don't know what
to say.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Right now, we've got okay, we got just over a
minute left, because I will be literally for another one
of my childhood crushes, Kelly Kapowski played by the beautiful
Tiffany amber Thesen. I'm speechless. I don't know what to say.
I will be saved by the bell here in a
minute plus. I don't know what to say. I just
(28:00):
don't know what to say. I'm I'm dumbfounded. I'm speechless. Colin, please,
and I know you know the NFL, and I know
you watch college football, So for you to say something
like that, I mean, do I need to say anymore?
Speaker 2 (28:17):
Do I really need to say any more?
Speaker 3 (28:22):
No?
Speaker 2 (28:22):
I don't think I do, Chris any thoughts on your
I because I have nothing.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
I just to me.
Speaker 5 (28:29):
I will give him this what he said, if your
scouting department, oh, he that would that was that would
be the thing where he's like, I know where I stand,
but if your department sees fit, make that move.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
And clearly they didn't, right and and valid point by you.
He did. He did give the disclaimer if your scouting department,
So fair enough.
Speaker 5 (28:51):
Okay, go hedging.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
I get it right.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
By the way, I love how Christopher kid. I never
heard him use the term hedging before he worked with me,
So I'm rubbing off on him a little bit. He's
using the term hedging now. Thankfully for him. He doesn't
hedge in his personal life like I do in my
personal life. But but two year point he that is
a disclaison. You're right, he gave the the caveat if
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you're scouting department value.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
But but Chris, okay, hold on a second, crazy, I
made two first rounds in TJ. Why what do you
want your franchise to die?
Speaker 5 (29:26):
He believed that Shrador would be a high commodity in draft,
and he was wrong.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
Takes.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
Yeah, I know the guy who does freezing cold takes.
Excuse me, I know him. I gotta maybe we should
have him on. His name is why not?
Speaker 1 (29:44):
Fred Siegel? He's a he's a He's a good dude,
a very good guy. Besides the fact that he went
to the University of Florida. He's he's done very well
with that site, very well. So yeah, I text line
have your way? Oh, by the way, text line? Also,
should I venmo the three hundred dollars to a girl
(30:06):
I went out with one time?
Speaker 2 (30:06):
Who got a DUI? Should I do that?
Speaker 1 (30:09):
I'm leaning towards the no. Still, it's been an hour
and twenty minutes since I asked all of you. Most
of you have said no. Most of you have said no.
So I'm veering with you. I will let you decide.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
You decided. I let you decide what's going on in
my personal life. Yes, I will do that.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
Uh, one of I have to read one text Darlington
is a Burlington coat factory QB. All right, I'm glad
you guys have kind of like, you know, got some
mileage on this. Once I called Geno Smith the Nordstrom
raq QB. And I'll tell you what, man, we're gonna
be talking about just because of the Geno and Pete
Carroll factors, the raiders on NFL Mondays and Tuesdays and
(30:51):
Wednesdays a lot, and we will compare and contrast to
what Sam Darnold and Mike McDonald are doing here.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
So they go.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
You feel free to text it on the text line
on Colin Coward, I you know, I respect him. I'm
in his success. I respect his success. I don't know
if he's as hungry as he used to be. I
I you know, it's you know, when you get paid
six and a half million dollars a year to do
this complacency and you know, and that money's guaranteed as
(31:23):
long as you don't pull a Shinnon sharp, certain things
sort of set in.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
So you know there's that. But nonetheless, dare you go
on that one?
Speaker 1 (31:34):
Speaking of Pete Carroll, boy, it was Pete Carroll playing
some mental games with arrival.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
Who was it?
Speaker 1 (31:43):
And what did he do next? On MJ in the
midday ninety three to three Gay JR FM.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
Hello, Mark, I hear like how British ladies talk.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
I just thought i'd send a voice message showing off
my unique voice. I hope this puts a smile on
your face.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
I'm beginning to think, was that was that real? Was
that like a real person?
Speaker 3 (32:04):
You think?
Speaker 5 (32:05):
No, man, I just I just googled it and typed
in a British woman accent and typed in a prompt
and sent it.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
Oh that's what I thought. Okay, yeah, but you know
what it did. I'm like, yeah, smile on your face?
Well sure, yes, absolutely. Now I'm like, there's no way
that's real.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
I don't Ladies, if you are out there and you
can you've got a British accent.
Speaker 5 (32:28):
Let's got a text line or not? The text line
voice voice, text, voice text. I heard radio app, ladies
and gents.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
Yeah, the new Heart Noon Improved.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
iHeart Radio app and then go ninety three to three
kJ R and hit the microphone icon button.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
There you go.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
That would be that would be fans.
Speaker 5 (32:43):
Ma's sure we can get a couple of solid ladies
out there that can do one.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
So you know what, ladies, But that was pretty good.
How you got that done.
Speaker 7 (32:48):
I was.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
I was like, wow, who is this, that's you know,
that's from Mintre.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
I thought, well, maybe it was real, But now I'm
like no, because you know, it was a little too
on demand. Ish didn't feel that felt like it was,
you know, So my suspicions were correct. So Pete Carroll
used to mess with the Rams when they were in
(33:15):
LA and before that's Saint Louis every time they would
come to Seattle. Longtime general manager Less Snead went on
the record with rich Eisen and said, this is what
they used to do to the Rams every time they
would come in to play the Seahawks in the Emerald City.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
But I do know this.
Speaker 8 (33:41):
Not only have we shared a hotel in Seattle with
a furry conviction. I think we've done it now twice.
I think it's been twice. I might be wrong, but.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
You're in Seattle and this is the scene. Let me
tell you this too.
Speaker 8 (33:59):
You think about a ball, it's September, it's no there's
a you get to December football and you.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
Really need a lift.
Speaker 8 (34:06):
I just think you've been traveling to the same hotels
kind of you know, it's getting a little there's some
doldrums going on. Then you show up in the lobby
there and all of a sudden, you know, you know what,
he got a second win to finishing this thing out.
I mean there's actually people, these are actually human beings
that showed up in dressed like so it's it's and
I can't say this if you talk about people who
(34:28):
are passionate, Yes, they're passionate. That's costume party. I mean
that's not just Hey, I had to go to this
costume party and get something out of the closet that's
well thought out. Now, well intentionality.
Speaker 7 (34:41):
I've heard of teams trying to get the road team
off their game by pulling a fire alarm at four
in the morning in the hotel. This is next level
because if it's twice now the Seattle Seahawks are doing.
Speaker 3 (34:51):
This to you less.
Speaker 7 (34:52):
I gotta be honest with you straight up. Well, you
know that's you know that was back in the peak
Carrol era. So you know, this seems like something Pete
might do me ship. You know, there's there's always some
gray area in the game theory.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
So Pete Carroll used to make sure.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
Now here's my thing though, Okay, because like Pete Carroll
doesn't pick, but they do know where the opposing team
is staying.
Speaker 6 (35:20):
He would send furries. That means people dressed up in
animal costumes like bunnies and whatever, dogs and.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
And you know those things that are a little scary.
And imagine if you're an NFL team, no matter how
big and bad that you are, and you're in a
hotel and you got a bunch of people dressed up
in animal costumes as furries in the lobby when you
check in the hotel. It's a little bit whoa wow,
(35:55):
a little bit. So I give Pete Carroll credit now,
I and uh, looked up what Pete Carroll's record was
in Seattle, just games in Seattle versus the Rams seven
and three. So guess what the furries worked. Maybe Mike
(36:18):
McDonald needs to send some furries and you know people
who looked like they were at cosplay conventions, you know, uh,
all those you know Mega con and all though that's
that one in San Diego. Sends some of them when
the Rams come to town, because you're gonna need their help.
(36:39):
But yeah, wow, Pete Carroll doing that to the Rams.
I don't hate it.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
I don't hate it.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
I kind of think it's it's kind of funny. It's interesting,
all right. Coming up next? And I went on Twitter
and retweeted at the Twitter handle ninety three to three KGr.
My Twitter handles Mark James, m A R C. James,
and I want to ask you this and we'll get
to I want to get to this next coming up,
(37:06):
who's the real Mariners team, the team who's won sixteen
of their last twenty one game in eight series in
a row, the team who started off three and seven,
or does it remain to be seen.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
We'll get to that next on MJ and the Midday
ninety three to three kJ R FM
Happy Monday, Sinko Demayo Hour number two on MJ in
the midday on Seattle Sports Leader ninety three to three KJRFM.
Right now, we're joined by a guy who has one
of the biggest and best podcasts in the business. He's
a big shot. You can see. He's backed by Omaha Productions.
(00:20):
That's Peyton and Eli Manning. His podcast is called This
Is Football. It's on ESPN two, and he happens to
also be a graduate like myself of the U.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
His name is Kevin Clark. That's right. What's up, kse.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
What's going on? I'm excited to be here. Yeah, we'll
be on ESPN two. I'll break news on this. We're
gonna be for an hour this month. We're going from
thirty minutes to an hour this month, so I'm excited
about that. That's a lot of football talk, but it
never slows down. Right.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Congratulations And by the way, I like to see, because
there's a lot of times in this profession, Kevin, that
you see some people fail upwards. It's nice to see
great people like yourself succeed upwards. That's the way it
should go, so very well deserved, can't And by the way,
what time is it so everybody out there can watch.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
I believe it's two pm on Friday.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Two pm on Friday, okay, and that's on the that's
two pm Pacific time time, So eleven o'clock in the morning.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
I forget. I forget that that. You know, I lived
on the West Coast for I don't know five years,
and I still have East Coast bias. I'm sorry about that.
Pacific Northwest.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
It's all good.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
So I've only been here, Casey for a few months,
like literally three months. I've been here, so I was
coming all the way from the the Sunshine States, where
you were born and raised, and so it's been a
sort of a culture shock, but a good culture shock
for me.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
I love the weather out here.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Since I got back from Vegas three weeks ago, Kevin,
it's been sixty two to sixty eight football weather every
single day in April and now May, and I'm loving it.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Now.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Speaking of football, you look at the Seahawks offseason. Bye
bye Geno Smith, Bye bye DK Metcalf, Bye bye Tyler Lockett,
Hello Sam Darnold, Cooper cup and Marquez Valdez, Gantling, DeMarcus Lawrence.
You look at the draft that happened last weekend, getting
Gray's Abel trading up to get Nick Emman Warry, drafting
(02:28):
our guy from the U Elijah Royo tight end there
in the second round, and then Jalen Milroe. I said this,
and I'm not trying to be a homer on the air,
but I'm really saying this, Kevin Clark, you tell me.
And that's why I always want the national objective perspective
because that's where I try to bring who's had a
better off season than the Seattle Seahawks.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Well, I mean, from my perspective, I think that they
get a really good draft. I don't know if it's
draft for twenty twenty five. I think it'sly athletic draft.
And it was funny because I love drafting athletes and
figuring the rest out later. Okay, so like guys you
test well at the combine, take them all and then
let let the coaches figure it out. Right, And for me,
(03:13):
when I'm looking at some of my draft crushes, I
saw a bunch of them going that Seattle draft. I'm
and Warrior is one of these guys. I think he
might be a little boom bust, but I think the
athletic potential is so tantalizing, it's almost like kind of
brings back Leagion to boom memories with some of those
athletes on the back on the back end, right, I
think that Elijah Royo, as you mentioned, an incredible athlete.
(03:34):
We still have made play after play. It felt like
when you watched him play, it felt like he was
running a four to three with that big body, and
so the combine testing confirmed that he was a really
good athlete. But for me, I'm looking at this and
I'm saying, this is a draft where it might take
a year or two for these guys to develop. I mean,
Warrior's tape was not as good as maybe some of
the other safeties in the draft. He's just a tantalizing athlete.
(03:55):
I think we'll figure it out. To me, it's a
little bit more of a developmental draft. I think that
Sam Donald is probably in twenty twenty five going to
be a downgate from Gino Smith. But I think the
plan given Millroe, we know what he can do well.
You can run the ball as well as anybody who's
come out in the draft in recent memory. So for me,
the plan is solid. If the self aware rebuild or no.
(04:17):
You know, you look at a team like the Raiders,
for instance, got Gino Smith, they drafted Ashton Genty in
the top ten. It felt like they were trying to
win right now. They're trying to win in September. Because
they hired a coach who's the oldest coach in the league.
You're not exactly going to ten year build. I think
Mike McDonald younger coach with John Schneider, who the GM
(04:37):
is going to be there for a long time, has
been there for a long time. I think you're looking
at a self aware, honest rebuild. I think as that goes,
I think it's it's really good.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
I think they're onto something Kevin Clark, while you just
gave us a bunch of stuff there, so you think
this is more of a draft for the future now
Number one. A couple things, but the first thing that
stood out is and that's what you know, that Wilson
School of Communication Journalism really helps out now because you know,
studying from doctor Driscoll and all those people at the
(05:10):
University of Miami.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Now it helps me out.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
You just said you don't think that Sam Donald's an
upgrade over Geno Smith.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
Why well, Gino Smith has a longer sample size of
being a touched off quarterback. I think that Kevin O'Connell
is a is a better offensive coach than anything do
you know Smith has had in Seattle. I think Kevin
Collins one of the that's one of the best playbooks in football,
and I think as a quarterback developer he's as good
(05:38):
as there is in football. So Sam Donald without Kevin O'Connell,
we haven't seen large sample size at that level. We've
seen Jets Sam Donald, who I think you can throw out.
Everybody's bad at the Jets, Carolina Sam Donald decent at times,
Sam Scoke, Sam Donald never played. I think a lot
about what would have happened if do you remember Brock
(06:01):
Party got that concussion. Sam Donald was supposed to play
two years ago in the Shanahan offense with that stack
San Francisco lineup, and I would have been really intrigued
to see what the results would have been because I
think they'd be pretty close to Brock Party. But you
removed from from an elite, elite offensive system, and we'll
see what happens in Seattle with the new offensive staff
and all that defensive head coach, who again I really
(06:22):
have a lot of respect for, But I think that
Gino Smith is a safer bet right now than Sam Donald.
I think that Sam Donald is a bridge Frankly, I
think the contract reflects that they can get out of
it quite easily and not too long of a time frame.
It's a lot of money, but that's just the price
you pay to pay any starting quarterback in the NFL. Now,
(06:46):
I think Gino Smith's going to have a better year
in twenty twenty five than Sam Donald.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Is incredible.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
The first day that I came on the air, Kevin
Clark from The Ringer joining us here and his podcast
that you can watch on ESPN two every Friday eleven
o'clock Pacific time called this is Football. That the first
day that I came on the air here Gino Smith,
which is back on February tenth, he was still a
Seahawk and I labeled him a Nordstrom Rack quarterback, and
(07:15):
I stand by that.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Now.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
You can say what you want about the fact that
you know Sam Darnold yet, and I agree with you
about Kevin O'Connell. Just absolute genius. Justin Jefferson Addison Howkinson
absolutely could he be a one year wonder could happen.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
We don't know. We'll find out.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
I think under Clint Kubiak, who's the new offensive coordinator here,
who comes in after Mike McDonald fired Ryan Grubb, you're
gonna see more of that outside zone blocking scheme. I
think you're gonna see Kenneth Walker, You're gonna see shar
Boney McIntosh.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Oh, by the way, they just drafted.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
They got a great value of this guy from the
University of Miami in the seventh round named Damien Martinez,
so they those things are going to help him out.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Now you Elijah or Royal to the mix. So it's
gonna be. It's gonna be somewhat where.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
And don't forget Clint Kubiak was an offensive assistant in
San Francisco when Sam Darnold was there. I get your skepticism.
I understand it. I just think it's Kevin. We all know,
and every business, especially when it comes to talent evaluation,
the only thing that matters are Sundays.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
That's it. We can sit here up all week.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Listen, schdor Sanders could end up winning five Super Bowls.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Do I think it'll happen.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
No, But you just don't know that being said, when
you look at the Seattle Seahawks from the outside looking
in this franchise, John Schneider's been here sixteen years. He
was the one who relieved Pete Carroll of his duties.
Now it's on him. How much time do you think
that John Schneider has here in Seattle to get it right.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
I don't think he's gonna be on the honest seat,
even with a down this year. I think you'd need
a couple of years, and I think you would need
the entire all of his sort of recooling plans would
have to not work out. Not only be Sam Darnold,
it would be jail and nowhere, it would be a
couple of bus In this draft, high profile busts into
the first two picks. I think I think they're gonna
give him the time, okay, And I think that he's proven.
(09:20):
I mean, like whether or not who was doing the
drafting or who had the most safe is kind of
irrelevant right now, as far as who was drafting Richard
German and Kim Chancer and all that stuff, right like,
that's that's ancient history. But I think that there's there's
been a proven track creditor with John Schinder. Now we can't.
He hasn't been able to figure out the offensive line
in the recent history, which has been aggravating. One of
(09:41):
the reasons the the franchise is stilled a little bit.
But I think that because of the good vibes of
the early twenty tens teams, because he had such an
instrumental part in that, I think he's gonna get a
bunch of at bass. I don't think he's gonna be
in the hot seat. I know that there were people
really angry about Pete Carroll being let go this time
(10:01):
last year or over last year. I think he's gonna
get time. I think that he's a good GM. I
don't think you're gonna get anybody better right now. The
only thing I can think of is if Mike McDonald's
wins some sort of power Stoga, which you never want,
by the way, Power stugles stablized franchises and says, Hey,
I want to bring in one of my guys from Baltimore.
I want to bring in one of my guys from Michigan,
one of these guys that he knows really well. I
(10:23):
think a lot of times that can be destabilizing too,
because you get in kind of a yes man situation
when a coach brings in his own GM and all
that stuff. So I think that those guys making it work,
Sniger McDonald, that's the most important thing for me and
I frankly, I think mc donald's such a good coach
that they're going to figure it out.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
Kevin Clark from The Ringer joining us on here his
podcast called This is Football on ESPN two every Friday
morning local time at eleven am. Kevin, what's the ceiling?
Let's just say that it is a boom here for
Sam Darnell. What's the ceiling on what he could do
for the Seahawks franchise?
Speaker 3 (10:59):
I mean playoffs? I don't so I don't see much
and sorry to burst.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
No no, by the way, I want this, I want,
I want, I want you. I want your true unadult
rated opinion.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
I don't see much of a path for the Seahawks
being as good as the Rams this year, and even
if they get the best version of Sam Darnold, I
think the talent gap is pretty significant this year. Maybe
the fact that the Rams were in kind of a
retooling mode and they almost meant the Darren Super Bowl
(11:31):
last year. That's kind of what you need to know
about where the Seahawks are and where the Rams are now.
I think the Niners are getting old and injured, and
we'll see what happens with Rock Berty's contract and all
that stuff. I think Arizona is in a similar spot
as Seattle in the sense that I think that they've
got some really good pieces and if they win eleven games,
that wouldn't shock me at all. But I still think
(11:52):
that they're competing for uh second place in in the
in the NFC West. So for me this year in
twenty twenty five, I'm looking at playoffs as the ceiling.
Now in a couple of years off some of these
draft pick hits, picks hit, and Sam Darnold comes back.
It can be hired than that. But I'm looking at
a wild card team for Seattle as as sort of
a goal, and I don't I'm not ruling that out
(12:13):
by any names. I think it could happen, especially in
kind of a week NFC with some of these teams
having so many holes, So I'm not I'm not ruling
out the playoffs. I just think that the Rams are
are damn good. The roster is damn good, and I'm
expecting them to win the division.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
Oh, I couldn't agree with you anymore.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
I mean there, and then he got this guy by
the name of Devonte Adams, who's pretty good. I mean,
you had him with Poka Nakua Stafford. Oh, it's just
it's it's an embarrassment. And then look at the draft
they had last year, Jared Verus, Braydon Fisk, and then
a guy that we got to watch, Cam Kitchens. Yeah,
I mean so that that was pretty good. You mentioned
something the first question I asked you about Nick emm
(12:50):
and Worry being a boomer bust.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
Why did you say that? What do you mean by that?
Speaker 3 (12:56):
He's an incredible athlete. And I always been on the
creditble athletes the story of the NFL as athletes figure
it out at some point. I think that his tape
was not as good as some of the other safeties
in the draft, and so I don't think that And
and this has happened a million times. As I told you,
I'm in favor of drafting athletes figure the rest out later.
But for me, when I think about kind of boom
(13:18):
or bust potential guys, A lot of it's great athletes
where the tape doesn't show the athletic system. Having said that,
it usually as long as it's a good coaching staff,
and Mike McDonald certainly is a part of that assocition
that have put the side of the ball, they usually
figure that out. But I thought that he got caught
flat footed a couple of times. I thought that, uh,
maybe they were there was just tape there. Resting he
doesn't play as athletic as as he tests, and he
(13:40):
played in the SEC. He has a lot of big
game reps. I'm expecting him. I would favor the boom
as far as that goes. But I anytime you draft
a guy who's not a perfect prospect, but as an athlete,
you always have to take him to the into account
the idea that he's he's not going to turn athboticism
into comaningful reps.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
What are there's saties did you think had a higher
grade than.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
Him, Well, Mawkin starts obviously at Georgia. He would be
my number one. There's a bunch of dbs who went
really really high, who are super flexible, which im and wary.
It's that's that's a little bit different, but starts would
be would be would be my number one and then
some of these some of these defensive that acts you
(14:23):
can play any position. I forget what the actual stat was,
but it starts was like the first player in FBS
history or something to play x amount of snaps from
the from safety and the spot and all that stuff
to die. Barren had very similar numbers as far as
flexibility goes, and more is more of a true safety.
So guys like that. I think em and Warriy was
on the second cut of defensive acts in this draft,
(14:44):
but I still think he can really uh it can contribute,
especially this year. But it might be when you draft
a bunch of athletes, it might be the kind of
situation where it takes twenty twenty six, twenty twenty seven.
Now again I'm not talking about Mmin and Worry in particular.
I'm talking about the entire draft because a lot of
those guys are are just pure athletes.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
Kevin Clark from The Ringer. This is Football podcast brought
to you by Omaha Productions on ESPN two every Friday morning,
eleven o'clock Pacific time. So you can watch Kevin. So
I allow my audience they can watch your podcast, but
they have to listen to my show.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Fair enough. That's what.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
All Right, A couple of things here should door Sanders
your thoughts? I mean nobody, I mean obviously, this is
a guy who had, apparently reportedly according to every draft analyst,
including Daniel Jeremia, who I think is the best current
draft analyst at what he does, first round talent.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Why did he drop to the fifth round?
Speaker 3 (15:38):
I think that you're seeing, you're hearing exactly why he
didn't do well in some of his interviews. I think so.
First of all, I think the short answer is the
obvious one, which is the quarterback needy teams didn't think
it was very good. Okay, they thought he was a
great talent. But there's a great Sief timeline from years
ago speaking of the Arizona Cardinals where he says, if
(16:00):
Hannibal Lecter ran a fourth three, we would just talk
it up to an eating disorder and move on.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Who said that and who said that time.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
The Cardinals he said, and so like if he if
he actually like a jerk in some of these meetings,
but he played like Joe Burrow in twenty nineteen. I
don't know for hearing that he had to like a jerk,
right if he was, if he had cam Word's tape
(16:30):
and he asked to like a jerk, I don't know
if that's leaking. So I think, if that's the simplest thing,
and then it cascades from there, how much is the
NFL going to tolerate when you don't have the tools
that other top picks have. And so I think that
there was always a risk because he didn't have the
huge arm or he wasn't like the most league athlete.
(16:51):
I would have taken higher. I would have taken that value.
I mean, the biggest thing is that when I think
about what that what was happening with the slide, I
was texting people in the league saying, why don't he
just take Shadar like guys with franchise quarterbacks, why don't
you take him as a backup? And honestly got an
answered for some of these guys was we didn't know
(17:11):
this this was gonna happen, so we didn't even do
work on them, Like we didn't even try to meet
with him or learn anything about him. So we're not
going to take a guy blind, right, And so that
was part of the reason that some of these teams
with franchise quarterbacks didn't end up taking him, and so
I don't I think it's it's probably pretty simple, and
I think he's get good coach in Cleveland and go
(17:31):
from there.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Kevin Clark here from the Ringer on MJ in the midday. Kevin, Yeah,
it's interesting. I think the only person who might have
had well, nobody had a worst weekend last weekend than
should do or standers. But it was kind of off
the heels of that because it was on the Sunday,
the day after the NFL Draft concluded CBS News This
(17:53):
Morning with Bill Belichick that interview. And I grew up
in New England and I covered the last three years
of Tom Brady with the Patriots in New England and
saw how acrimonious things got at the end.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
And here we are.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
And I've never for a guy who, to me's middle name,
Kevin Clark, could be control because that's what he has
done wherever he has been. And Charles Barkley even came
out and was serious and said something the extent of
I'm gonna get in touch with Bill Belichick because I'm
worried about him He wasn't mocking, he wasn't being chuck.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
He was being serious as a friend.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
What do you make of this whole bizarre situation in
his girlfriend who's nearly fifty years younger than him, and
Jordan Hudson, who, by the way, according to Dov Kleiman
and other reports, forced her.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Way onto the to a Dunkin Donuts.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Commercial that was played on Super Bowl Sunday with Ben
Affleck and Casey Affleck.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
Can you put what is going on here? Kevin?
Speaker 3 (18:58):
I don't know much about it, honestly, Like I haven't
tupted to Belichick in a decade. He doesn't give a
lot of one on ones. I'm been around UNC, but
from from for me, just like, looking at this from
a football perspective, how can UNC be into this UNC?
They're not getting the recruits. They did get the quarterbacks
from South Alabama, but I don't I think probably a
(19:19):
little surprised. But there aren't guys who are saying, you know,
I want to play for Belichick. I want to get
to the league such an nil era that goes a
lot shorter, and I just don't think this UNC thing
is on track to work.
Speaker 4 (19:31):
Now.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
I've been surprised before. I've certainly been wrong before, but
at this point, just from a football perspective, it just
seems to be going off the rails for the Tar Heels.
And that's if I'm if I'm running unc Orf, I'm
a Dieard fan getting very very concerned that I don't
care what he does in his personal life, but from
a football perspective, this seems to be going off the rails,
and that would be my huge concern.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
I can tell you this from my perspective, and one
of the things that I gleaned from NFL Draft weekend,
I think that all thirty two teams, they are out
on the Dion Sanders being a head coaching business. And
now I can say this, I mean, let's look at
this objectively. As we ken Kevin he didn't get a
job after he got fired. Atlanta picked RhE Morris over
(20:13):
Bill Belichick, and I found out it was because Rich
McKay wanted nothing to do with Bill. Wasn't maybe the
reports out there that Robert Kraft sandbagged and the Arthur
blank notwithstanding, I think the NFL is out on Bill
Belichick ever being a head coach in the league.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Again, I think it's over.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
I think he's burned way too many bridges, and I
think this sort of thing right now, it doesn't I
don't think the NFL wants a seventy three year old
man who's with a twenty four year old woman being
the image of one of their thirty two franchises.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
What do you think about that?
Speaker 3 (20:48):
I think that was August going into this disciple if
you had a lot of NFL interests. So for me,
that's it's it's probably over. The only thing that would
change that is if USC has some sort of miracles
nine and four, ten and three season where they see
expectations and an owner says it was give them a chance.
But I'm pretty sure that ship the sales.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
No question about it. And I I haven't asked this
question last weekend. Who lasts longer? Bill Belichick at UNC
or Shador Sanders in Cleveland. I said, I'll take Shador.
I'll double down on Shador. I think he will last
long and you could tell too. And the biggest thing
that you mentioned, especially the interview cycle that just transpired
two months ago, his former quarterback that won six Super
(21:30):
Bowls with him, who has reportedly ten percent minority ownership
and the Las Vegas Raiders hired a guy that Bill
beat in the Super Bowl and Pete Carroll.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
And didn't even get Bill an interview that to me
says says it all.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
Kevin Clark the Ringer, and you can check out his podcast,
This is Football, every Friday morning local time here in
Seattle at eleven on ESPN two. Kevin, we appreciate you
making the time. And oh, by the way, I think
cam word has got stud written all over him.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
Franchise player, franchise player. What it changed? The absolutely all right,
Kevin again, let's do it again sooner than later.
Speaker 1 (22:14):
Man, appreciate it, all right, thanks man, All right, good
stuff there. Wow, this guy really said this on the air,
and he wasn't joking. This is not an April fool's joke.
He literally said this on the air, the worst trade
proposal in the history of sports. And it might not
(22:35):
surprise you because he's from the state of Washington. Will
tell you who said it and what he said next
on MJ in the midday ninety three to three KJRFM.
There's nothing hotter to me than a beautiful woman within
the British accent. I still have a thing for Elizabeth Hurley.
Oh my lord, God bless her. That was a crush.
(22:57):
That's a crush. Love that accent. I really love it
on my local Major League Baseball broadcast, but I love it.
I love it on women. I'd love Jay, Jay Buner
and Angie Mintik this weekend. They were fantastic. They were great,
They were great. I wish we would have Jay Buhner
(23:18):
in the boothmore off. I love Day Valley as well.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Big fan of that.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
You're gonna say something, Chris, you got some You're you're
gonna chime in there.
Speaker 5 (23:26):
I was waiting to hear I was going to Maritish act.
Oh no, would you like a cup of tay? I'm
gonna stay away from it.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
Oh yeah, it sounds better with a feminine voice, and
thankfully for us we don't have one, because that wouldn't
be be a little bit odd being men to have
a feminine voice.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
You know the Mark likes my feminine voice.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
Oh no, that would be that'd be a different show,
different show, different station.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Yeah, yeah yeah. Colin Coward is from Washington State, Aberdeen.
I believe he has an affinity for the Seahawks.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
The Mariners talked about them and you know, never actually
worked in the Seattle market, worked in Portland, worked in Vegas. Obviously,
you know he's with Fox Sports Radio, now Premiere and
all that good stuff. Well, Colin's been doing this a
long time, and he's been on the national level for
over twenty years now, since he got that big break
(24:33):
in Bristol twenty years ago when Tony Kornheiser decided he no.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Longer wanted to do radio. So kudos to Colin. He's
made a lot of money a lot.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
A few weeks ago on the show, on his show,
he brought up, well, I'm not gonna lead the witnesses
on the stand here being you the audience, you just
listen to it.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
But the Steelers have been putting band aids on for
six years. I think they have to rip it off.
I would trade TJ. Watt George Pickens two first round
picks if your scouting department said Shadu or Sanders is
the guy, because I think cam Ward's going to go
number one. I think should or Sam Sanders you could
get at number five.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Six or seven. Can I hear that again?
Speaker 4 (25:20):
But the Steelers have been putting band aids on for
six years. I think they have to rip it off.
I would trade TJ. Watt George Pickens two first round
picks if your scouting department said, shaud Or Sanders is
the guy, because I think cam Ward's going to go
number one. I think should or Sam Sanders you could
get at number five, six, or seven t J.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
Watt two first rounders for her guy who just got
drafted in the fifth round by Cleveland, the.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
Ever dwelling, basement living.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
Dregs that they are, the Cleveland Browns arguably the worst
French in the NFL this side of the Jets. You
would have traded two first rounders in TJ. Watt, arguably
the best defensive player in the NFL, to move up
to get your door. Well, if I'm not mistaken, didn't
Pittsburgh pass on Shaudeur a bunch of times? They ended
(26:18):
up taking Will Howard out of Ohio State in the
fifth round.
Speaker 6 (26:24):
I just.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
I'm not gonna say anything bad. I want to there's
the part of me on the show.
Speaker 4 (26:31):
I just.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
I don't believe he truly believed this. I don't because
if you really truly believe this, then there's a problem.
That's a problem.
Speaker 2 (26:46):
Like I've said, and I.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
Continue, We'll see a lot of things that people don't
like on the air. Never have I said anything so
freaking stupid than that. Two first rounders in TJ. Watt
to move up to the top five to take Shader
Sanders six point five million dollars a year. No, not
(27:10):
what you do is Sander's gonna make. That's what Colin
Coward makes a year, six point five million dollars a year.
I'd be happy after the decimal point, Just after the
decimal point.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
I'd be happy.
Speaker 7 (27:26):
You got.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
I'm mean as a sports talk goes, as a guy
that gets paid to to give you words every day,
I'm speed.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
I don't know what to say. I don't know what
to say.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Right now, we've got okay, we got just over a
minute left, because I will be literally for another one
of my childhood crushes, Kelly Kapowski played by the beautiful
Tiffany amber Thesen. I'm speechless. I don't know what to say.
I will be saved by the bell here in a
minute plus. I don't know what to say. I just
(28:00):
don't know what to say. I'm I'm dumbfounded. I'm speechless. Colin, please,
and I know you know the NFL, and I know
you watch college football, So for you to say something
like that, I mean, do I need to say anymore?
Speaker 2 (28:17):
Do I really need to say any more?
Speaker 3 (28:22):
No?
Speaker 2 (28:22):
I don't think I do, Chris any thoughts on your
I because I have nothing.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
I just to me.
Speaker 5 (28:29):
I will give him this what he said, if your
scouting department, oh, he that would that was that would
be the thing where he's like, I know where I stand,
but if your department sees fit, make that move.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
And clearly they didn't, right and and valid point by you.
He did. He did give the disclaimer if your scouting department,
So fair enough.
Speaker 5 (28:51):
Okay, go hedging.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
I get it right.
Speaker 1 (28:54):
By the way, I love how Christopher kid. I never
heard him use the term hedging before he worked with me,
So I'm rubbing off on him a little bit. He's
using the term hedging now. Thankfully for him. He doesn't
hedge in his personal life like I do in my
personal life. But but two year point he that is
a disclaison. You're right, he gave the the caveat if
(29:15):
you're scouting department value.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
But but Chris, okay, hold on a second, crazy, I
made two first rounds in TJ. Why what do you
want your franchise to die?
Speaker 5 (29:26):
He believed that Shrador would be a high commodity in draft,
and he was wrong.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
Takes.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
Yeah, I know the guy who does freezing cold takes.
Excuse me, I know him. I gotta maybe we should
have him on. His name is why not?
Speaker 1 (29:44):
Fred Siegel? He's a he's a He's a good dude,
a very good guy. Besides the fact that he went
to the University of Florida. He's he's done very well
with that site, very well. So yeah, I text line
have your way? Oh, by the way, text line? Also,
should I venmo the three hundred dollars to a girl
(30:06):
I went out with one time?
Speaker 2 (30:06):
Who got a DUI? Should I do that?
Speaker 1 (30:09):
I'm leaning towards the no. Still, it's been an hour
and twenty minutes since I asked all of you. Most
of you have said no. Most of you have said no.
So I'm veering with you. I will let you decide.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
You decided. I let you decide what's going on in
my personal life. Yes, I will do that.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
Uh, one of I have to read one text Darlington
is a Burlington coat factory QB. All right, I'm glad
you guys have kind of like, you know, got some
mileage on this. Once I called Geno Smith the Nordstrom
raq QB. And I'll tell you what, man, we're gonna
be talking about just because of the Geno and Pete
Carroll factors, the raiders on NFL Mondays and Tuesdays and
(30:51):
Wednesdays a lot, and we will compare and contrast to
what Sam Darnold and Mike McDonald are doing here.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
So they go.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
You feel free to text it on the text line
on Colin Coward, I you know, I respect him. I'm
in his success. I respect his success. I don't know
if he's as hungry as he used to be. I
I you know, it's you know, when you get paid
six and a half million dollars a year to do
this complacency and you know, and that money's guaranteed as
(31:23):
long as you don't pull a Shinnon sharp, certain things
sort of set in.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
So you know there's that. But nonetheless, dare you go
on that one?
Speaker 1 (31:34):
Speaking of Pete Carroll, boy, it was Pete Carroll playing
some mental games with arrival.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
Who was it?
Speaker 1 (31:43):
And what did he do next? On MJ in the
midday ninety three to three Gay JR FM.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
Hello, Mark, I hear like how British ladies talk.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
I just thought i'd send a voice message showing off
my unique voice. I hope this puts a smile on
your face.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
I'm beginning to think, was that was that real? Was
that like a real person?
Speaker 3 (32:04):
You think?
Speaker 5 (32:05):
No, man, I just I just googled it and typed
in a British woman accent and typed in a prompt
and sent it.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
Oh that's what I thought. Okay, yeah, but you know
what it did. I'm like, yeah, smile on your face?
Well sure, yes, absolutely. Now I'm like, there's no way
that's real.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
I don't Ladies, if you are out there and you
can you've got a British accent.
Speaker 5 (32:28):
Let's got a text line or not? The text line
voice voice, text, voice text. I heard radio app, ladies
and gents.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
Yeah, the new Heart Noon Improved.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
iHeart Radio app and then go ninety three to three
kJ R and hit the microphone icon button.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
There you go.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
That would be that would be fans.
Speaker 5 (32:43):
Ma's sure we can get a couple of solid ladies
out there that can do one.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
So you know what, ladies, But that was pretty good.
How you got that done.
Speaker 7 (32:48):
I was.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
I was like, wow, who is this, that's you know,
that's from Mintre.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
I thought, well, maybe it was real, But now I'm
like no, because you know, it was a little too
on demand. Ish didn't feel that felt like it was,
you know, So my suspicions were correct. So Pete Carroll
used to mess with the Rams when they were in
(33:15):
LA and before that's Saint Louis every time they would
come to Seattle. Longtime general manager Less Snead went on
the record with rich Eisen and said, this is what
they used to do to the Rams every time they
would come in to play the Seahawks in the Emerald City.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
But I do know this.
Speaker 8 (33:41):
Not only have we shared a hotel in Seattle with
a furry conviction. I think we've done it now twice.
I think it's been twice. I might be wrong, but.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
You're in Seattle and this is the scene. Let me
tell you this too.
Speaker 8 (33:59):
You think about a ball, it's September, it's no there's
a you get to December football and you.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
Really need a lift.
Speaker 8 (34:06):
I just think you've been traveling to the same hotels
kind of you know, it's getting a little there's some
doldrums going on. Then you show up in the lobby
there and all of a sudden, you know, you know what,
he got a second win to finishing this thing out.
I mean there's actually people, these are actually human beings
that showed up in dressed like so it's it's and
I can't say this if you talk about people who
(34:28):
are passionate, Yes, they're passionate. That's costume party. I mean
that's not just Hey, I had to go to this
costume party and get something out of the closet that's
well thought out. Now, well intentionality.
Speaker 7 (34:41):
I've heard of teams trying to get the road team
off their game by pulling a fire alarm at four
in the morning in the hotel. This is next level
because if it's twice now the Seattle Seahawks are doing.
Speaker 3 (34:51):
This to you less.
Speaker 7 (34:52):
I gotta be honest with you straight up. Well, you
know that's you know that was back in the peak
Carrol era. So you know, this seems like something Pete
might do me ship. You know, there's there's always some
gray area in the game theory.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
So Pete Carroll used to make sure.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
Now here's my thing though, Okay, because like Pete Carroll
doesn't pick, but they do know where the opposing team
is staying.
Speaker 6 (35:20):
He would send furries. That means people dressed up in
animal costumes like bunnies and whatever, dogs and.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
And you know those things that are a little scary.
And imagine if you're an NFL team, no matter how
big and bad that you are, and you're in a
hotel and you got a bunch of people dressed up
in animal costumes as furries in the lobby when you
check in the hotel. It's a little bit whoa wow,
(35:55):
a little bit. So I give Pete Carroll credit now,
I and uh, looked up what Pete Carroll's record was
in Seattle, just games in Seattle versus the Rams seven
and three. So guess what the furries worked. Maybe Mike
(36:18):
McDonald needs to send some furries and you know people
who looked like they were at cosplay conventions, you know, uh,
all those you know Mega con and all though that's
that one in San Diego. Sends some of them when
the Rams come to town, because you're gonna need their help.
(36:39):
But yeah, wow, Pete Carroll doing that to the Rams.
I don't hate it.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
I don't hate it.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
I kind of think it's it's kind of funny. It's interesting,
all right. Coming up next? And I went on Twitter
and retweeted at the Twitter handle ninety three to three KGr.
My Twitter handles Mark James, m A R C. James,
and I want to ask you this and we'll get
to I want to get to this next coming up,
(37:06):
who's the real Mariners team, the team who's won sixteen
of their last twenty one game in eight series in
a row, the team who started off three and seven,
or does it remain to be seen.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
We'll get to that next on MJ and the Midday
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