June 10, 2025 • 35 mins
Hugh Millen is back on the program and with the news about colleges can now directly pay student athletes directly. Hugh shares his thoughts and if it can be regulated, plus much more. Former NBA coach Don Nelson gives his unfiltered opinion regarding the Dallas Mavericks trading Luka Doncic!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Right now on the Beacon Plumbing Hotline is our good buddy,
Hugh Millin. Hugh, So, the news came down last Friday
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about this huge house settlement. Yeah, that college sports now
can legally pay their athletes directly regardless of nil. What
did you take And I'm just gonna let you go, Hugh,
tell me the things that stood out to you the
most of when this announcement was made and what does
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this mean for the future of Cole big time college athletics.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Well, it's just startling, an unspeakable miscalculation by the NCAA
and how they've conducted their legal affairs that they would
be in this situation. I mean, it's difficult to determine
whether they're more greedy or more stupid. And by the way,
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we say the NCAA, and obviously the NCAA is an entity,
but I'm really speaking to the member institutions at you know,
the athletics and the university presidence that Okay, all of
the legislation and if I could just summarize it, I'll try. Mark.
You have to go back to nineteen eighty four. Back then,
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the NCAA had a restriction on college Well, just I'm
going to just talk about college football. Most of what
I'm going to say is applies to basketball as well too, right,
but college football there was a limit on how many
times you could be on TV. And there was also
there was just one televised game per week. It seems
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odd in this time. But the Oklahoma Border Regions, the Sooners,
they they sued in. They said, look, you're you're harming us.
This is a restraint of trade. And the it went
to the Supreme Court and the the Oklahoma ended up
winning by of course there's nine justices, by seven to two.
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And although they were talking about the television, there were
comments in the John Justice John Paul Stevens wrote the opinion.
There was comments that seemed to support the the Court's
approval of the amateur policy. What's the amateur policy that
that college players are? They yes, they get a free education,
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and they get room and board and and and nominal
cost of living, but they're not going to be allowed
to to uh to have the free their free market
determine their value, and and they and and in that
they said that the NCAA has a necessary interest in
preserving the amateurism by maintaining the distinction between college and
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professional sports. But okay, so this laid dormant mark for
thirty five years where people were looking back at the
this is the last time the Supreme Court weighed in
on the NCAA model, and they seem now there's a
legal term called straight comments, also called dicta that are
non binding to that case, but may have prominence towards
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future cases. In any event, it was thought that the
Supreme Court seemed to buy the NCAA's argument that this
is primarily an academic endeavor and that athletics is secondary
to that, and that there has to be this amateurism
and you have to suppress Reggie Bush's value by just
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giving him merely a scholarship. Okay, So there was no
Johnny Cochrane that galvanized the players for thirty five years
to say, hey, look we can beat these anti trust laws,
because it was kind of ambiguous. Now if they if
the NCAAA at that point, let's fast forward to twenty twenty,
there was an Austin versus the NCAA.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
All that was doing.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Was challenging the NCAA's restriction on get this non cash
compensation for academic purse purposes. This like computers, internships, musical
instruments for music majors, tutoring, like like like rounding error stuff.
Somebody should have when when the nca was talking about, well, hey,
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we lost that and we're thinking about taking it to
the Court of Appeals, some attorneys should have said, are
you effie and kidding me? Let sleeping dogs lie, because
if you challenge this this ruling, just take the l
It's just it's just stupid academic related compensation. If you
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challenge this, then now the court may comment on the
greater co compensation, the entire compensation system, and comment on
the legality of that. That's what somebody should have stepped in.
But the nca said, no, no, no, we don't want
to have the appearances that were paid to play or
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that they're professional athletes. God forbid that a student get
a computer laptop computer if he applies for it. So
they appealed it. They lost it in the district court.
They appealed it to the Ninth Circuit. They lost there,
and then they appealed it to the Supreme Court. Well,
guess what happened in the Supreme Court looked at Not
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only did the Supreme Court rule against the NCAAA nine
to nothing, but they in both in the commentary and
the opinions, they said there was a language some will
see this as a poor substitute for a fuller relief.
That's meaning like, hey, there needs to be greater relief
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for these players, not just the education related. And get
this quote the regulations about the total compensation system for
athletes quote raised serious questions under the anti trust laws
and would be struck down if challenged under the same
legal principles that apply in this case. Are you getting
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what happened? They had an opportunity to just maintain the ambiguity.
It wouldn't be challenged. But as soon as the Supreme
Court said, look, this model is in violation of anti
trust laws, they put a green, bright, green neon light
on anti trust lawsuits for thirty five years.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
It was kind of like a yellow light. We don't
really know what.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
The Supreme Court would say. As soon as the NCAA
appealed to the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court, they rendered
their decision and commented on the system, and they said, look,
your system cannot survive ani trest law. And whereas thirty
five years ago they said that this is an academic
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enterprise and the athletics is secondary, now they said, no,
this is a multi billion dollar business enterprise. The players
are labor and they have rights as such. So at
any rate, is it nobot what you just said right there?
Speaker 1 (07:27):
So what like all of a sudden did the NC
doublea because they.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
Didn't have an epiphany.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
They were forced to Basically they were backed into a
corner and they had no recourse till they had to say,
this is we're gonna have to pay to play, which
is something that they hated to do all along.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
Oh all along, Well think about it.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Yeah, nine schools made over two hundred million dollars in
football last year. We're talking about a multi billion dollar industry.
And you know in the UH, in the Austin case.
Here here's another quote. This is quote right from the opinion.
Anti trust laws should not be a cover for exploitation
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of student athletes. End quote. That's how the Supreme Court
was viewing the structure and so the NCAA should have
never ever appealed that to the Remember when it wasn't
Allston who lost the plaintiff, it was the defendant NCAA
who lost, took it to the Ninth Circuit, lost there,
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and then took it to the Supreme Court. Just a
staggering miscalculation on a legal front. And so now what
you have that opened the door for the house settlement.
And basically what we have now is we say, hey,
the players are labor. And if the old system I
keep using Reggie Bush because he was. You know, if
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USC says, hey, Reggie, we'll give you a free education
at a private school, USC, doesn't that sound sexy. That's
a lot of money, right, And a lot of people
listening to our conversation right now agree with that. They
would say, wait a minute, you get enough full education,
You get room and board and a few hundred bucks
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a month cost of living. Right, that doesn't go Trust me,
I've got I had two kids on D one scholarship
and nil that the D one scholarship, The idea of
full right scholarship is a complete farce, okay, because they
give you next to nothing and you can't live on
what they gave you. But at any event, that's what
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they were. That they what they said to Reggie Bush
is USC you can only pay, you know, nineteen hundred
dollars a month, Notre Dame maybe cost a living difference
eighteen hundred a month at Alabama. I wanted to get
a scholarship to Alabama sixteen hundred a month. What the
what the That sounds like a lot to some people,
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but guess what it is a deviation of the free
market because Reggie Bush's value is is exponentially higher than
even a an education at a private school like USC.
And so that's how the the Supreme that's not Hugh
Millen's interpretation. That's the Supreme Court's interpretation, by the way,
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nine to nothing and that and that's no liberal court.
This court overturned Row versus Wade. So uh, the Supreme
Court ruled on the system. Uh and and and handed
the NCAA a nine to nothing loss. And it's it
basically said, look, what you're doing is horizontal price fixing.
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It is a restraint of trade in a classic sense
in the ni trust laws. So yeah, uh, and so
here we are so so so now the players not
only are they getting a scholarship there, they are open
to have ni L compensation. And now with this House
ruling in addition to the n L, well, let's say
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you know, uh, you know, buck down and Tuscaloosa has
a truck dealership, right, and he wants to give Jalen Miller. Hey, Jalen,
come on, you know I'll give you a two hundred
grand to promote my trucks. All right, that's nil. But
now in addition, the House is saying, who whoa, whoa, whoa.
This is labor, and you've got to share the labor.
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You make two hundred million dollars you're gonna have, and
the figures around twenty point five million each school's got
to they've got to divvy up twenty point five million
dollars to the athletes. This is this is the the
athletic department department revenue. This isn't bucks, you know, F
one fifty, you know four dealership. This is the athletic
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department and the revenues they derived from the media rights
and obviously the Gate and all the other sources.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
So, Hugh, one thing I have to ask you, and
I want to definitely continue this on the other side
but I want to ask you this. We got a
few minutes here now with the whole Title nine thing.
Title Nine's gonna come out and they're gonna say, oh,
you're paying all the money to football and basketball. Well yeah,
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because football and men's basketball, unless you're in stores Connecticut
at Yukon or South Carolina with Don Staley, football and
men's basketball pretty much are the revenue producing sports. And
without them, college athletic departments don't exist.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
So how do they get around this title ninth thing?
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Because hey, Michigan paying Bryce Underwood straight out of high
school ten million dollars and so well, well, I don't know, Hugh.
The woman's you know, badminton players. She wants money. Well
guess what she's not actually gonna be bringing in the
ratings and revenue that Bryce Underwood is.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Well, I'm not an expert in this field. I was
a player rep in the NFL, and I did a
lot of studying as a layman. Let me emphasize the
word layman. Had a lot of studying of the anti
trust laws and the labor laws because I was a
player rep in the NFL and we were trying to
get free agency, which we did not have when I
got into the league, and and so I was part
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of that effort as a as a player rep and
and so my answer that I can tell you is,
I think it depends Again there's a layman's perspective. I
think it depends on on the court and just the inclination,
you know, the inclination.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
Of the court.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
Because if you look at the Supreme Court ruling, they
said they they brought up in the opinion they said basically,
they said, and I don't have the quote in front
of me, but I can paraphrase it pretty darn well.
It said it said everybody's making millions. This is again
the Supreme Court in the Austin ruling. Everybody's making millions.
It says athletic directors are making millions, coaches are making millions,
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the conference commissioners, the NCAA executives. Everybody's making millions except
for the players. And we understand that there's going to
be challenges. And they brought up right there in the
ruling in the opinion it said, we understand there's Title
nine and other considerations. Basically, they said, Mark, figure it out,
because you're exploiting the athletes. And then they said many
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of whom are come from. And they mentioned, you know,
African American disadvantaged families, and they raised the specter of
a civil rights consequence and issue there, right, They just
kind of it was almost like parenthetically, like, hey, you've
got a civil you may have a civil rights issue
on your hands too. So basically they said, look, we
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see clear injustice, we see clear horizontal price fixing, which
is contrary to the anti trust laws of this country,
and so that your system is illegal, and so figure
it out. And they acknowledge that you may have some
challenges with Title nine, but figure it out. That's the
best answer I can give you, because I don't think
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that we have any any more concrete answer.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Hugh Millen here on MJ in the mid Day Sports
Radio ninety three to three KJR FM. So ultimately the
players won, They won big time. Now with this new
college Sports Commission headed by Brian Sealey who comes over
from Major League Baseball, how much I mean, is this
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guy gonna be able to regulate things or is it
gonna be a dog without teeth the way the NCAA
has been for the better part of the last five
six years.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
Yeah, I think that the enforcing is is gonna be tough.
I think there can be there there could be new lawsuits.
I think they're trying to get some guardrails, but you know,
you have to have a situation where you have your
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incompliance with the anti trust laws, and so when there's
deviation from that, there's always the potential for new law suit.
So I think it's going to be a challenge. I
think that they're obviously there's a need to have some
type of regulation with all of this, So I think
that the effort is good, but I still see that
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there could be further lawsuits down the road, and other
legal scholars see that as well. And I'm not a
legal scholar, but let me rephrase. Legal scholars have have
opined as such.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Hugh Millan, Hugh, you got time just to come back
because I want to ask you about what this means
for your alma mater, you, Dub, Do you have time
to come back just for all right? We will talk
to Humillan. He's going to hang in there, t He's
been very patient, so we will talk. What does this
mean for you, Dub? What does this mean for Wazoo?
What does this mean for Oregon? I mean you know.
And for the big time schools that have major prominent alumni,
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how does this affect them. We'll get to that next
with Hugh Millan on MJ in the Midday Sports Radio
ninety three to three KJR them, the NCAA is only
getting like the schools are only getting thirty percent of
the media TV rights agreement, only thirty percent that which ESPN,
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which is pretty much monopolized college football other than Big
Noon on Fox. That they're only getting thirty percent of
the potential revenue they can get. And he also said
that it would be worth another two billion dollars towards
college football that they could get that they're not getting.
How do you see that perhaps reconciling.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
In terms of so they're getting thirty percent of what figures.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
Like of the TV rights agreement as instead of a
lot more than that, and like you know what I mean,
And he said it would be worth two billion dollars
to college football if they were able to get more
than thirty percent.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Like yeah, yeah, well that you know right now the
distribution for Washington relative to other Big ten teams, they're
they're getting fifty percent of what all the other teams
including US and UCLA. By the way, Washington and Oregon
are getting fifty percent, so a little over thirty million dollars,
whereas all their Big ten counterparts are up upwards of
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sixty million dollars. So that's a that's a deficit Washington's
going to live with until twenty thirty. Twenty thirty, Yeah,
until twenty thirty, when when and then they'll be made whole.
But in the meantime, you know, you know, I mentioned
the two schools. Obviously, Oregon has the sugar Sugar Daddy
in Phil Knight, and so he can just make up
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for the discrepancy. Washington doesn't have whales like that. You'd
think in such an affluent area that that Washington would
have more, you know, real big swingers that way, but
they just don't. And so they're you know, they're a
little little bit of the the the the shortfall in
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that regard is going to have to be picked up just
kind of the old fashioned way. Rope just leaves and
try and get a lot of people to donate less
as opposed to one or two to donate more. But yeah,
it's a it's a concern. And so so now that university,
the University made one hundred and ninety one million dollars,
but they that's revenue. They reported a loss, and and
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so now they're gonna have an extra twenty point five
million dollars that they're gonna be expected to distribute to athletes.
So yeah, I think that it's gonna be tight. It's
gonna be tight financially, and people are gonna have to decide.
Husky fans are gonna have to decide just how eager
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we want the Huskies to be a player. Because when
Ohio State had two hundred and eighty million dollars in
football revenue alone, and they're getting, you know, the full
share of the of the of the media distribution by
the Big ten, you know, you start to add it up,
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you're talking tens and tens of millions of dollars in
a shortfall against your competitors on the field.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Hugh Millen here on MJ The Midday. Michigan, who won
the national title two years ago. It's come out and
they have said they are facing a projected deficit of
nearly twenty seven million dollars for the upcoming twenty twenty
five twenty twenty six academic year Michigan. So if they're
in that kind of deficit, Hugh, Like, can you imagine
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what about a lot of other schools what they're dealing with?
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Yeah, oh yeah, and Ohio State as well. Yeah, that
just tells you that that.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
And now on some level, I think these teams, the
more they bring in, the more they find a way
to spend, right, And so you know that was one
of my problems with the Players Association when you start
looking at the books with with the NFL, the more
revenue the the Association brought in, the more they spent.
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And I just think that's obviously that's part of the
human condition to want to spend money. And so yeah,
I'm not surprised, but this is this is going to be,
uh you know, a further challenge. And and it gets
back to my point in our last segment that this
is something that who knows when the system would have
been challenged. I mean we've gone thirty five years since since.
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Uh that the the the verdict, the opinion rather in
the Oklahoma Board of Regents where there was this ambiguity
about the court's position on the amateur status and so
for the n c a A to have invited upon
themselves that what has transpired when it could have been
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I want to say mostly prevented. It's very staggering.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
Yeah, and how about Wazoo, Like, what is a school
like that? Who doesn't have you know, as Jed Fish
pointed out, there's fifty four millionaires in Seattle proper, so
that's a.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
Lot of peing. There's a lot of people who are alums.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
And those people are successful obviously because they wouldn't have
that much money if they weren't successful. So they have
kind of a well that they can keep going to.
But for school like Wazoo, who now is waiting till
next year to the PAC twelve restarts, which is a
shell of its former self with Boise State, Colorado State,
san Diego State, Utah State, and Fresno State, what does
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it mean for them?
Speaker 3 (22:43):
You?
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Yeah, Well, there's a lot more than fifty four millionaires,
right that might be billionaires.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Oh no, he actually said, he said, I'm sorry, check
that out. Fifty four thousand millionaires.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
Let me take that.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
He said, fifty four thousand millionaires. I got the thousand here. Listen,
there's probably fifty four millionaires in Tuscaloos, Alabama, right now, Okay,
fifty four thousand millionaires twelve led me on that, Yeah,
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fifty four thousand millionaires.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
What was this like eighteen eighty seven?
Speaker 2 (23:24):
But no, wazoo. Oh God bless them, you know if
you think of for them, particularly having been at the
Power five status with respects to a lot of things,
you know, the media rights, I'm sure how that affects
attendance and donations and.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
What have you.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
So so now I want to use my words carefully
because I'm not trying to troll or inside any any cougars.
I can only imagine, you know, if Washington went through
what Washington State was going through. I mean, it's got
to be very painful. But you know, to to have
had a certain status and uh and and and sources
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of revenue plural obviously, and then to have that, you know,
I want to say have, But you know, I don't
know the details. You know, Ian and others could could
probably fill in the details better than me, but we
certainly know that it's it's a substantial blow in every respect,
and certainly financially. You know that you're gonna lose coaches they.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
Have quarterbacks, quarterbacks.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
You're gonna lose quarterbacks they have. You're gonna lose, You're
gonna you're gonna have to just you know, do away
with certain sports altogether.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
They have.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
Yeah, it's it's it's a brutal state for them. And
you know, all of these developments don't help because now
before you know, you know, players, at least on some level,
they were they were thinking about no on monetary benefits.
You know, for example, why in why was Alabama so
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successful under the saving years he coached seventeen years he
went to nine national championships. Game that's obviously greater than
won every two years. He won six, that's obviously greater
than one every three years. Why Because his message was
come play for me, I'll develop you. Will be the
hardest thing you ever did, but I'll develop you, and
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I'll put you in the NFL and you'll have an
incredible experience and YadA YadA. You can imagine what the
message was. Well, now it's what's what are you doing
for me? Find what kind of financial compensation are you
going to provide for me? And you know, and we
can decry it all we want. It is the state
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and the ones that just kind of accept it and
play the best within the rules, they're going to be
the ones that are winning all the games, winning all
the championships and having all the fun, no question listen either,
and then some schools are gonna tap out and say no,
just don't want, don't want to compete at that level.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
You know, there are gonna be at large you know,
bids and opportunities for wazoo. I wish them. I really
hope that. Listen, just concentrate on what you can do.
It's gonna be a new I won't say improved, but
it will be a new PAC twelve. And just win
your conference. You win your conference, you're gonna have some
sort of shot at maybe getting at large bid. It's
but like you said, you're gonna deal with you know,
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I mean, look at what happened. They just lost their
offensive coordinator owe you. They just locked their quarterback to OEU.
They you know, so cam Ward the year before to Miami.
So it's one of those things where Washington will be
able to retain because you there are fifty four thousand
millionaire Citi.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
I'm like fifth, I'm like that's right, and I'm glad
you called me on it.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
Like fifty four, there's probably fifty four right now in Bellevue, like.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
Oh, there's a lot more than fifty five were in Belvee.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Right, exactly what I was gonna say on what I
was gonna say on one Street, one right.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Right, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I uh well yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
So listen, it's uh I'm interested to see what this
is gonna do and if the rich do indeed get richer,
and or are we ever going to see a team
like Cincinnati a few years ago at Luke Thickle crashed
the party and and are we gonna see that again?
I hope we do, because Hugh, I'll be the first
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to admit Andy.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
And he crashed the party, and why I did a
few years back at the Sugar Bowl. Every time these
teams crashed the party, they don't.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Now I know, but they got They got into the
playoff though they so TCU did as well. But all
I'm saying is this that you want sometimes Cinderella to
get to the dance. And I don't mean in terms
of March madness. I'm talking about college football where Hugh,
it's just not every year. And and believe me, I'm
a power for guy like you. I want my Miamian
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every year, and you want Washington where I'd like to
see every now and then, hey, let's see this to
Boise State, Like Boise State making it this past year
at Ashton gent like that's good for college fool.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
Well, that's good. I agree with that, and and and
you know all, I do want to add that while
I mostly support it, I'm just speaking as a fan
and a former player. You know, I mostly supported going
to the Big Ten, but I thought that there was
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very convincing arguments why Washington should not have gone to
Big ten. And now I again, I was probably you know,
fifty percent plus a feather towards going to the Big ten.
But but there was there was a good argument to
be made. Hey stay preserved, you.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
Know, no, but you know, you know what, though they
did the right thing, they did, I think did the
right thing. Listen, hey, Hugh, the dscape of the sport
was changing. And here's the thing, you know, and I know,
Hugh all there's a lot of smoke out there about
the SEC in Big ten seceeding off from the NC
double A out doing their own thing. So Washington's gonna
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be in a very good spot.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
Yes, but I think there's for me, there's a set
of assumptions there to uh and again I agree with that,
but I'm I'm I wasn't in some slam dunk like
there's no credible argument to be made to the contrary.
My and I know we're up against the break. I
feel like there's a set of assumptions with that declaration,
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which is is washing Washington as an aggregate entity, ready
and willing and eager to play with the big boys
in this in the Big ten. And that takes all
in mentality as we discussed with some of the absence
of the true whales, that that I think he still
has yet to be proven.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
All right, Hugh, I'm gonna let listen. Before I let
you go, I just I want to say one thing now.
This is a big year for you, Dub and the
second year of the Jedfish era, and I just want
to throw this out there and listen. You know, and
I know and a lot of people when they talk
about Jedfish, there's that caveat and they say, you know, well,
this that if there's one school that you could obviously
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see Jedfish leaving for, would be his alma mater. Now,
I'm gonna tell you right now, I'm just gonna leave
this there and we'll talk about it next time. Here's
Florida's schedule starting September thirteenth at LSU at Miami, Texas
at Texas A and m Mississippi State at Home Georgia
were the world's largest cocktail party at Kentucky at Ole,
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miss Tennessee. Florida State is Billy Napier, and I don't
think he's gonna win more than five games on that
schedule if he's gone, you know, And I know the
one guy who's gonna be mentioned at the forefront who
went to UF I'm just saying because Florida is gonna
have a bad year that I know they got Lagway
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and I that schedule is murderer's row.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Yeah, well it's it's basically a repeat of last year's schedule.
It's unbelievable and it was deemed to be the tough
to my son's on that tie. I know, I know,
I've sat across the desk from Napier and you know,
had a long conversations. I'm pretty aware of what's going
on down there. Yeah, and you're right, it's it's tough.
And by the way, it's something that you're you are
(31:27):
dead right, MJ. That Husky fans, if you are, if
if you love Jed Fish and you think he's good
for Washington, you better keep an eye on what's happening
down in Gainsville this season for the exactly the reason
you just said. That's his alma mater. And he's already
said on the record, hey, I wear my advisor as
an homage to Steve Spurrier, and he's said he has
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even said kind of casually and parenthetically, hey, if you know,
now if Florida came calling. You know, he said that
in past conversations, almost saying, hey, if Florida calls, see
you later.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
I don't want to put words in his mouth, but
he is intimated, strongly intimated as such. So you're right, hey,
he we always appreciate the time.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
Thanks man.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
All right, there is humilling, all right, Hall of Fame
coach blasts this team regarding a stupid trade.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
Who is it? We'll get to that next.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
MJ.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
In the midday Sports Radio ninety three to three KJRFM.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
I just by October eleventh, they could have four losses,
and they have four losses by October eleventh, that means
he's going to be gone. I mean they at LSU
loss at Miami better be a loss. Texas loss at
A and M on October eleven. That could be four
losses by October eleventh. And at that point it's canceled
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Christmas in Gainesville and they are going to be on
the hunt for a new coach. That could be it.
Speaking of coach as a Hall of Fame coach, Don
Nelson accepted the Chuck Daily Lifetime Achievement Award from the
nb National Basketball Coaches Association prior to Game two of
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the Finals. He's eighty five years old. He looks fantastic.
But he looked at it as a chance to quote
protest protest the Luka Doncicch trade. He was not a
fan of it. He said, quote, I want everybody to know,
I'm wearing Luca's shoes, his new shoes from Nike that
just got on the market, and I wore them in
(33:27):
protest for the trade from Dallas. And yeah, I think
a lot of people protested that. And he went on
to say about learning team building from rad auerback quote,
in this philosophy, when you have a great player, you
don't want to lose that player. You keep him for
a lifetime. You put his number up, and you honor
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that player. My philosophy was always to honor the great players,
not trade them away, but to add pieces to that
player and make him in your franchise the best that
you can be.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
End quote.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
Have you seen what Luca looks like this offseason? He
looks like he's on ozempic uh oh and in shape,
perhaps motivated. Luka Doncic is scary for the rest of
the NBA. We don't have any games tonight in terms
of we have the Mariners tonight, but we don't have
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no NBA game tonight. It'll be Tomorrow night, and then
Game four of the Stanley Cup will be on Thursday night.
If I'm not mistake, Yes that's correct, Thursday night. So yeah,
we don't have anything tonight, which is what it is.
Coming up next, we'll be joined by Brendan Haywood, a
guy who played in the NBA for a decade and
(34:41):
a half. Played at University of North Carolina, was there
at right after Dean Smith and was the teammate of
Lebron James and Michael Jordan in the NBA. We'll talk
to him about the finals and who knows about NBA
expansion and where that could lead to next, right here
on MJ in the midday Sports Radio ninety three three
k j R f M
Many times. Brian Danielson, former WWE World Champion, currently with
ae W there in town over the next week doing
some shows over at the show Where Center in Kent.
We will have him in studio coming up on Thursday.
Right now on the Beacon Plumbing Hotline is our good buddy,
Hugh Millin. Hugh, So, the news came down last Friday
(00:24):
about this huge house settlement. Yeah, that college sports now
can legally pay their athletes directly regardless of nil. What
did you take And I'm just gonna let you go, Hugh,
tell me the things that stood out to you the
most of when this announcement was made and what does
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this mean for the future of Cole big time college athletics.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Well, it's just startling, an unspeakable miscalculation by the NCAA
and how they've conducted their legal affairs that they would
be in this situation. I mean, it's difficult to determine
whether they're more greedy or more stupid. And by the way,
(01:11):
we say the NCAA, and obviously the NCAA is an entity,
but I'm really speaking to the member institutions at you know,
the athletics and the university presidence that Okay, all of
the legislation and if I could just summarize it, I'll try. Mark.
You have to go back to nineteen eighty four. Back then,
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the NCAA had a restriction on college Well, just I'm
going to just talk about college football. Most of what
I'm going to say is applies to basketball as well too, right,
but college football there was a limit on how many
times you could be on TV. And there was also
there was just one televised game per week. It seems
(01:54):
odd in this time. But the Oklahoma Border Regions, the Sooners,
they they sued in. They said, look, you're you're harming us.
This is a restraint of trade. And the it went
to the Supreme Court and the the Oklahoma ended up
winning by of course there's nine justices, by seven to two.
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And although they were talking about the television, there were
comments in the John Justice John Paul Stevens wrote the opinion.
There was comments that seemed to support the the Court's
approval of the amateur policy. What's the amateur policy that
that college players are? They yes, they get a free education,
(02:37):
and they get room and board and and and nominal
cost of living, but they're not going to be allowed
to to uh to have the free their free market
determine their value, and and they and and in that
they said that the NCAA has a necessary interest in
preserving the amateurism by maintaining the distinction between college and
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professional sports. But okay, so this laid dormant mark for
thirty five years where people were looking back at the
this is the last time the Supreme Court weighed in
on the NCAA model, and they seem now there's a
legal term called straight comments, also called dicta that are
non binding to that case, but may have prominence towards
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future cases. In any event, it was thought that the
Supreme Court seemed to buy the NCAA's argument that this
is primarily an academic endeavor and that athletics is secondary
to that, and that there has to be this amateurism
and you have to suppress Reggie Bush's value by just
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giving him merely a scholarship. Okay, So there was no
Johnny Cochrane that galvanized the players for thirty five years
to say, hey, look we can beat these anti trust laws,
because it was kind of ambiguous. Now if they if
the NCAAA at that point, let's fast forward to twenty twenty,
there was an Austin versus the NCAA.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
All that was doing.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Was challenging the NCAA's restriction on get this non cash
compensation for academic purse purposes. This like computers, internships, musical
instruments for music majors, tutoring, like like like rounding error stuff.
Somebody should have when when the nca was talking about, well, hey,
(04:33):
we lost that and we're thinking about taking it to
the Court of Appeals, some attorneys should have said, are
you effie and kidding me? Let sleeping dogs lie, because
if you challenge this this ruling, just take the l
It's just it's just stupid academic related compensation. If you
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challenge this, then now the court may comment on the
greater co compensation, the entire compensation system, and comment on
the legality of that. That's what somebody should have stepped in.
But the nca said, no, no, no, we don't want
to have the appearances that were paid to play or
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that they're professional athletes. God forbid that a student get
a computer laptop computer if he applies for it. So
they appealed it. They lost it in the district court.
They appealed it to the Ninth Circuit. They lost there,
and then they appealed it to the Supreme Court. Well,
guess what happened in the Supreme Court looked at Not
(05:36):
only did the Supreme Court rule against the NCAAA nine
to nothing, but they in both in the commentary and
the opinions, they said there was a language some will
see this as a poor substitute for a fuller relief.
That's meaning like, hey, there needs to be greater relief
(05:57):
for these players, not just the education related. And get
this quote the regulations about the total compensation system for
athletes quote raised serious questions under the anti trust laws
and would be struck down if challenged under the same
legal principles that apply in this case. Are you getting
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what happened? They had an opportunity to just maintain the ambiguity.
It wouldn't be challenged. But as soon as the Supreme
Court said, look, this model is in violation of anti
trust laws, they put a green, bright, green neon light
on anti trust lawsuits for thirty five years.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
It was kind of like a yellow light. We don't
really know what.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
The Supreme Court would say. As soon as the NCAA
appealed to the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court, they rendered
their decision and commented on the system, and they said, look,
your system cannot survive ani trest law. And whereas thirty
five years ago they said that this is an academic
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enterprise and the athletics is secondary, now they said, no,
this is a multi billion dollar business enterprise. The players
are labor and they have rights as such. So at
any rate, is it nobot what you just said right there?
Speaker 1 (07:27):
So what like all of a sudden did the NC
doublea because they.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
Didn't have an epiphany.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
They were forced to Basically they were backed into a
corner and they had no recourse till they had to say,
this is we're gonna have to pay to play, which
is something that they hated to do all along.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
Oh all along, Well think about it.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Yeah, nine schools made over two hundred million dollars in
football last year. We're talking about a multi billion dollar industry.
And you know in the UH, in the Austin case.
Here here's another quote. This is quote right from the opinion.
Anti trust laws should not be a cover for exploitation
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of student athletes. End quote. That's how the Supreme Court
was viewing the structure and so the NCAA should have
never ever appealed that to the Remember when it wasn't
Allston who lost the plaintiff, it was the defendant NCAA
who lost, took it to the Ninth Circuit, lost there,
(08:27):
and then took it to the Supreme Court. Just a
staggering miscalculation on a legal front. And so now what
you have that opened the door for the house settlement.
And basically what we have now is we say, hey,
the players are labor. And if the old system I
keep using Reggie Bush because he was. You know, if
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USC says, hey, Reggie, we'll give you a free education
at a private school, USC, doesn't that sound sexy. That's
a lot of money, right, And a lot of people
listening to our conversation right now agree with that. They
would say, wait a minute, you get enough full education,
You get room and board and a few hundred bucks
(09:13):
a month cost of living. Right, that doesn't go Trust me,
I've got I had two kids on D one scholarship
and nil that the D one scholarship, The idea of
full right scholarship is a complete farce, okay, because they
give you next to nothing and you can't live on
what they gave you. But at any event, that's what
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they were. That they what they said to Reggie Bush
is USC you can only pay, you know, nineteen hundred
dollars a month, Notre Dame maybe cost a living difference
eighteen hundred a month at Alabama. I wanted to get
a scholarship to Alabama sixteen hundred a month. What the
what the That sounds like a lot to some people,
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but guess what it is a deviation of the free
market because Reggie Bush's value is is exponentially higher than
even a an education at a private school like USC.
And so that's how the the Supreme that's not Hugh
Millen's interpretation. That's the Supreme Court's interpretation, by the way,
(10:17):
nine to nothing and that and that's no liberal court.
This court overturned Row versus Wade. So uh, the Supreme
Court ruled on the system. Uh and and and handed
the NCAA a nine to nothing loss. And it's it
basically said, look, what you're doing is horizontal price fixing.
(10:38):
It is a restraint of trade in a classic sense
in the ni trust laws. So yeah, uh, and so
here we are so so so now the players not
only are they getting a scholarship there, they are open
to have ni L compensation. And now with this House
ruling in addition to the n L, well, let's say
(11:00):
you know, uh, you know, buck down and Tuscaloosa has
a truck dealership, right, and he wants to give Jalen Miller. Hey, Jalen,
come on, you know I'll give you a two hundred
grand to promote my trucks. All right, that's nil. But
now in addition, the House is saying, who whoa, whoa, whoa.
This is labor, and you've got to share the labor.
(11:22):
You make two hundred million dollars you're gonna have, and
the figures around twenty point five million each school's got
to they've got to divvy up twenty point five million
dollars to the athletes. This is this is the the
athletic department department revenue. This isn't bucks, you know, F
one fifty, you know four dealership. This is the athletic
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department and the revenues they derived from the media rights
and obviously the Gate and all the other sources.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
So, Hugh, one thing I have to ask you, and
I want to definitely continue this on the other side
but I want to ask you this. We got a
few minutes here now with the whole Title nine thing.
Title Nine's gonna come out and they're gonna say, oh,
you're paying all the money to football and basketball. Well yeah,
(12:10):
because football and men's basketball, unless you're in stores Connecticut
at Yukon or South Carolina with Don Staley, football and
men's basketball pretty much are the revenue producing sports. And
without them, college athletic departments don't exist.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
So how do they get around this title ninth thing?
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Because hey, Michigan paying Bryce Underwood straight out of high
school ten million dollars and so well, well, I don't know, Hugh.
The woman's you know, badminton players. She wants money. Well
guess what she's not actually gonna be bringing in the
ratings and revenue that Bryce Underwood is.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Well, I'm not an expert in this field. I was
a player rep in the NFL, and I did a
lot of studying as a layman. Let me emphasize the
word layman. Had a lot of studying of the anti
trust laws and the labor laws because I was a
player rep in the NFL and we were trying to
get free agency, which we did not have when I
got into the league, and and so I was part
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of that effort as a as a player rep and
and so my answer that I can tell you is,
I think it depends Again there's a layman's perspective. I
think it depends on on the court and just the inclination,
you know, the inclination.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
Of the court.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
Because if you look at the Supreme Court ruling, they
said they they brought up in the opinion they said basically,
they said, and I don't have the quote in front
of me, but I can paraphrase it pretty darn well.
It said it said everybody's making millions. This is again
the Supreme Court in the Austin ruling. Everybody's making millions.
It says athletic directors are making millions, coaches are making millions,
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the conference commissioners, the NCAA executives. Everybody's making millions except
for the players. And we understand that there's going to
be challenges. And they brought up right there in the
ruling in the opinion it said, we understand there's Title
nine and other considerations. Basically, they said, Mark, figure it out,
because you're exploiting the athletes. And then they said many
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of whom are come from. And they mentioned, you know,
African American disadvantaged families, and they raised the specter of
a civil rights consequence and issue there, right, They just
kind of it was almost like parenthetically, like, hey, you've
got a civil you may have a civil rights issue
on your hands too. So basically they said, look, we
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see clear injustice, we see clear horizontal price fixing, which
is contrary to the anti trust laws of this country,
and so that your system is illegal, and so figure
it out. And they acknowledge that you may have some
challenges with Title nine, but figure it out. That's the
best answer I can give you, because I don't think
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that we have any any more concrete answer.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Hugh Millen here on MJ in the mid Day Sports
Radio ninety three to three KJR FM. So ultimately the
players won, They won big time. Now with this new
college Sports Commission headed by Brian Sealey who comes over
from Major League Baseball, how much I mean, is this
(15:23):
guy gonna be able to regulate things or is it
gonna be a dog without teeth the way the NCAA
has been for the better part of the last five
six years.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
Yeah, I think that the enforcing is is gonna be tough.
I think there can be there there could be new lawsuits.
I think they're trying to get some guardrails, but you know,
you have to have a situation where you have your
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incompliance with the anti trust laws, and so when there's
deviation from that, there's always the potential for new law suit.
So I think it's going to be a challenge. I
think that they're obviously there's a need to have some
type of regulation with all of this, So I think
that the effort is good, but I still see that
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there could be further lawsuits down the road, and other
legal scholars see that as well. And I'm not a
legal scholar, but let me rephrase. Legal scholars have have
opined as such.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Hugh Millan, Hugh, you got time just to come back
because I want to ask you about what this means
for your alma mater, you, Dub, Do you have time
to come back just for all right? We will talk
to Humillan. He's going to hang in there, t He's
been very patient, so we will talk. What does this
mean for you, Dub? What does this mean for Wazoo?
What does this mean for Oregon? I mean you know.
And for the big time schools that have major prominent alumni,
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how does this affect them. We'll get to that next
with Hugh Millan on MJ in the Midday Sports Radio
ninety three to three KJR them, the NCAA is only
getting like the schools are only getting thirty percent of
the media TV rights agreement, only thirty percent that which ESPN,
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which is pretty much monopolized college football other than Big
Noon on Fox. That they're only getting thirty percent of
the potential revenue they can get. And he also said
that it would be worth another two billion dollars towards
college football that they could get that they're not getting.
How do you see that perhaps reconciling.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
In terms of so they're getting thirty percent of what figures.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
Like of the TV rights agreement as instead of a
lot more than that, and like you know what I mean,
And he said it would be worth two billion dollars
to college football if they were able to get more
than thirty percent.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Like yeah, yeah, well that you know right now the
distribution for Washington relative to other Big ten teams, they're
they're getting fifty percent of what all the other teams
including US and UCLA. By the way, Washington and Oregon
are getting fifty percent, so a little over thirty million dollars,
whereas all their Big ten counterparts are up upwards of
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sixty million dollars. So that's a that's a deficit Washington's
going to live with until twenty thirty. Twenty thirty, Yeah,
until twenty thirty, when when and then they'll be made whole.
But in the meantime, you know, you know, I mentioned
the two schools. Obviously, Oregon has the sugar Sugar Daddy
in Phil Knight, and so he can just make up
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for the discrepancy. Washington doesn't have whales like that. You'd
think in such an affluent area that that Washington would
have more, you know, real big swingers that way, but
they just don't. And so they're you know, they're a
little little bit of the the the the shortfall in
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that regard is going to have to be picked up just
kind of the old fashioned way. Rope just leaves and
try and get a lot of people to donate less
as opposed to one or two to donate more. But yeah,
it's a it's a concern. And so so now that university,
the University made one hundred and ninety one million dollars,
but they that's revenue. They reported a loss, and and
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so now they're gonna have an extra twenty point five
million dollars that they're gonna be expected to distribute to athletes.
So yeah, I think that it's gonna be tight. It's
gonna be tight financially, and people are gonna have to decide.
Husky fans are gonna have to decide just how eager
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we want the Huskies to be a player. Because when
Ohio State had two hundred and eighty million dollars in
football revenue alone, and they're getting, you know, the full
share of the of the of the media distribution by
the Big ten, you know, you start to add it up,
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you're talking tens and tens of millions of dollars in
a shortfall against your competitors on the field.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Hugh Millen here on MJ The Midday. Michigan, who won
the national title two years ago. It's come out and
they have said they are facing a projected deficit of
nearly twenty seven million dollars for the upcoming twenty twenty
five twenty twenty six academic year Michigan. So if they're
in that kind of deficit, Hugh, Like, can you imagine
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what about a lot of other schools what they're dealing with?
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Yeah, oh yeah, and Ohio State as well. Yeah, that
just tells you that that.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
And now on some level, I think these teams, the
more they bring in, the more they find a way
to spend, right, And so you know that was one
of my problems with the Players Association when you start
looking at the books with with the NFL, the more
revenue the the Association brought in, the more they spent.
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And I just think that's obviously that's part of the
human condition to want to spend money. And so yeah,
I'm not surprised, but this is this is going to be,
uh you know, a further challenge. And and it gets
back to my point in our last segment that this
is something that who knows when the system would have
been challenged. I mean we've gone thirty five years since since.
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Uh that the the the verdict, the opinion rather in
the Oklahoma Board of Regents where there was this ambiguity
about the court's position on the amateur status and so
for the n c a A to have invited upon
themselves that what has transpired when it could have been
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I want to say mostly prevented. It's very staggering.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
Yeah, and how about Wazoo, Like, what is a school
like that? Who doesn't have you know, as Jed Fish
pointed out, there's fifty four millionaires in Seattle proper, so
that's a.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
Lot of peing. There's a lot of people who are alums.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
And those people are successful obviously because they wouldn't have
that much money if they weren't successful. So they have
kind of a well that they can keep going to.
But for school like Wazoo, who now is waiting till
next year to the PAC twelve restarts, which is a
shell of its former self with Boise State, Colorado State,
san Diego State, Utah State, and Fresno State, what does
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it mean for them?
Speaker 3 (22:43):
You?
Speaker 2 (22:44):
Yeah, Well, there's a lot more than fifty four millionaires,
right that might be billionaires.
Speaker 1 (22:49):
Oh no, he actually said, he said, I'm sorry, check
that out. Fifty four thousand millionaires.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
Let me take that.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
He said, fifty four thousand millionaires. I got the thousand here. Listen,
there's probably fifty four millionaires in Tuscaloos, Alabama, right now, Okay,
fifty four thousand millionaires twelve led me on that, Yeah,
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fifty four thousand millionaires.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
What was this like eighteen eighty seven?
Speaker 2 (23:24):
But no, wazoo. Oh God bless them, you know if
you think of for them, particularly having been at the
Power five status with respects to a lot of things,
you know, the media rights, I'm sure how that affects
attendance and donations and.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
What have you.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
So so now I want to use my words carefully
because I'm not trying to troll or inside any any cougars.
I can only imagine, you know, if Washington went through
what Washington State was going through. I mean, it's got
to be very painful. But you know, to to have
had a certain status and uh and and and sources
(24:07):
of revenue plural obviously, and then to have that, you know,
I want to say have, But you know, I don't
know the details. You know, Ian and others could could
probably fill in the details better than me, but we
certainly know that it's it's a substantial blow in every respect,
and certainly financially. You know that you're gonna lose coaches they.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
Have quarterbacks, quarterbacks.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
You're gonna lose quarterbacks they have. You're gonna lose, You're
gonna you're gonna have to just you know, do away
with certain sports altogether.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
They have.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
Yeah, it's it's it's a brutal state for them. And
you know, all of these developments don't help because now
before you know, you know, players, at least on some level,
they were they were thinking about no on monetary benefits.
You know, for example, why in why was Alabama so
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successful under the saving years he coached seventeen years he
went to nine national championships. Game that's obviously greater than
won every two years. He won six, that's obviously greater
than one every three years. Why Because his message was
come play for me, I'll develop you. Will be the
hardest thing you ever did, but I'll develop you, and
(25:27):
I'll put you in the NFL and you'll have an
incredible experience and YadA YadA. You can imagine what the
message was. Well, now it's what's what are you doing
for me? Find what kind of financial compensation are you
going to provide for me? And you know, and we
can decry it all we want. It is the state
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and the ones that just kind of accept it and
play the best within the rules, they're going to be
the ones that are winning all the games, winning all
the championships and having all the fun, no question listen either,
and then some schools are gonna tap out and say no,
just don't want, don't want to compete at that level.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
You know, there are gonna be at large you know,
bids and opportunities for wazoo. I wish them. I really
hope that. Listen, just concentrate on what you can do.
It's gonna be a new I won't say improved, but
it will be a new PAC twelve. And just win
your conference. You win your conference, you're gonna have some
sort of shot at maybe getting at large bid. It's
but like you said, you're gonna deal with you know,
(26:28):
I mean, look at what happened. They just lost their
offensive coordinator owe you. They just locked their quarterback to OEU.
They you know, so cam Ward the year before to Miami.
So it's one of those things where Washington will be
able to retain because you there are fifty four thousand
millionaire Citi.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
I'm like fifth, I'm like that's right, and I'm glad
you called me on it.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
Like fifty four, there's probably fifty four right now in Bellevue, like.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
Oh, there's a lot more than fifty five were in Belvee.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Right, exactly what I was gonna say on what I
was gonna say on one Street, one right.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Right, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I uh well yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
So listen, it's uh I'm interested to see what this
is gonna do and if the rich do indeed get richer,
and or are we ever going to see a team
like Cincinnati a few years ago at Luke Thickle crashed
the party and and are we gonna see that again?
I hope we do, because Hugh, I'll be the first
(27:31):
to admit Andy.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
And he crashed the party, and why I did a
few years back at the Sugar Bowl. Every time these
teams crashed the party, they don't.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Now I know, but they got They got into the
playoff though they so TCU did as well. But all
I'm saying is this that you want sometimes Cinderella to
get to the dance. And I don't mean in terms
of March madness. I'm talking about college football where Hugh,
it's just not every year. And and believe me, I'm
a power for guy like you. I want my Miamian
(28:00):
every year, and you want Washington where I'd like to
see every now and then, hey, let's see this to
Boise State, Like Boise State making it this past year
at Ashton gent like that's good for college fool.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
Well, that's good. I agree with that, and and and
you know all, I do want to add that while
I mostly support it, I'm just speaking as a fan
and a former player. You know, I mostly supported going
to the Big Ten, but I thought that there was
(28:33):
very convincing arguments why Washington should not have gone to
Big ten. And now I again, I was probably you know,
fifty percent plus a feather towards going to the Big ten.
But but there was there was a good argument to
be made. Hey stay preserved, you.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
Know, no, but you know, you know what, though they
did the right thing, they did, I think did the
right thing. Listen, hey, Hugh, the dscape of the sport
was changing. And here's the thing, you know, and I know,
Hugh all there's a lot of smoke out there about
the SEC in Big ten seceeding off from the NC
double A out doing their own thing. So Washington's gonna
(29:14):
be in a very good spot.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
Yes, but I think there's for me, there's a set
of assumptions there to uh and again I agree with that,
but I'm I'm I wasn't in some slam dunk like
there's no credible argument to be made to the contrary.
My and I know we're up against the break. I
feel like there's a set of assumptions with that declaration,
(29:37):
which is is washing Washington as an aggregate entity, ready
and willing and eager to play with the big boys
in this in the Big ten. And that takes all
in mentality as we discussed with some of the absence
of the true whales, that that I think he still
has yet to be proven.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
All right, Hugh, I'm gonna let listen. Before I let
you go, I just I want to say one thing now.
This is a big year for you, Dub and the
second year of the Jedfish era, and I just want
to throw this out there and listen. You know, and
I know and a lot of people when they talk
about Jedfish, there's that caveat and they say, you know, well,
this that if there's one school that you could obviously
(30:18):
see Jedfish leaving for, would be his alma mater. Now,
I'm gonna tell you right now, I'm just gonna leave
this there and we'll talk about it next time. Here's
Florida's schedule starting September thirteenth at LSU at Miami, Texas
at Texas A and m Mississippi State at Home Georgia
were the world's largest cocktail party at Kentucky at Ole,
(30:41):
miss Tennessee. Florida State is Billy Napier, and I don't
think he's gonna win more than five games on that
schedule if he's gone, you know, And I know the
one guy who's gonna be mentioned at the forefront who
went to UF I'm just saying because Florida is gonna
have a bad year that I know they got Lagway
(31:01):
and I that schedule is murderer's row.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Yeah, well it's it's basically a repeat of last year's schedule.
It's unbelievable and it was deemed to be the tough
to my son's on that tie. I know, I know,
I've sat across the desk from Napier and you know,
had a long conversations. I'm pretty aware of what's going
on down there. Yeah, and you're right, it's it's tough.
And by the way, it's something that you're you are
(31:27):
dead right, MJ. That Husky fans, if you are, if
if you love Jed Fish and you think he's good
for Washington, you better keep an eye on what's happening
down in Gainsville this season for the exactly the reason
you just said. That's his alma mater. And he's already
said on the record, hey, I wear my advisor as
an homage to Steve Spurrier, and he's said he has
(31:51):
even said kind of casually and parenthetically, hey, if you know,
now if Florida came calling. You know, he said that
in past conversations, almost saying, hey, if Florida calls, see
you later.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
I don't want to put words in his mouth, but
he is intimated, strongly intimated as such. So you're right, hey,
he we always appreciate the time.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
Thanks man.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
All right, there is humilling, all right, Hall of Fame
coach blasts this team regarding a stupid trade.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
Who is it? We'll get to that next.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
MJ.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
In the midday Sports Radio ninety three to three KJRFM.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
I just by October eleventh, they could have four losses,
and they have four losses by October eleventh, that means
he's going to be gone. I mean they at LSU
loss at Miami better be a loss. Texas loss at
A and M on October eleven. That could be four
losses by October eleventh. And at that point it's canceled
(32:45):
Christmas in Gainesville and they are going to be on
the hunt for a new coach. That could be it.
Speaking of coach as a Hall of Fame coach, Don
Nelson accepted the Chuck Daily Lifetime Achievement Award from the
nb National Basketball Coaches Association prior to Game two of
(33:05):
the Finals. He's eighty five years old. He looks fantastic.
But he looked at it as a chance to quote
protest protest the Luka Doncicch trade. He was not a
fan of it. He said, quote, I want everybody to know,
I'm wearing Luca's shoes, his new shoes from Nike that
just got on the market, and I wore them in
(33:27):
protest for the trade from Dallas. And yeah, I think
a lot of people protested that. And he went on
to say about learning team building from rad auerback quote,
in this philosophy, when you have a great player, you
don't want to lose that player. You keep him for
a lifetime. You put his number up, and you honor
(33:47):
that player. My philosophy was always to honor the great players,
not trade them away, but to add pieces to that
player and make him in your franchise the best that
you can be.
Speaker 3 (33:57):
End quote.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
Have you seen what Luca looks like this offseason? He
looks like he's on ozempic uh oh and in shape,
perhaps motivated. Luka Doncic is scary for the rest of
the NBA. We don't have any games tonight in terms
of we have the Mariners tonight, but we don't have
(34:19):
no NBA game tonight. It'll be Tomorrow night, and then
Game four of the Stanley Cup will be on Thursday night.
If I'm not mistake, Yes that's correct, Thursday night. So yeah,
we don't have anything tonight, which is what it is.
Coming up next, we'll be joined by Brendan Haywood, a
guy who played in the NBA for a decade and
(34:41):
a half. Played at University of North Carolina, was there
at right after Dean Smith and was the teammate of
Lebron James and Michael Jordan in the NBA. We'll talk
to him about the finals and who knows about NBA
expansion and where that could lead to next, right here
on MJ in the midday Sports Radio ninety three three
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